Trump on offense against Clinton ahead of final debate

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 11, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along Julie Roginsky, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Tom Shillue. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five." It's a big day in politics and we're just four weeks from Election Day and only eight days from the final presidential debate hosted by our own Chris Wallace. The stakes in the race for the White House could not be higher. Donald Trump was on offense at Sunday night's faceoff in St. Louis and he continues to come out swinging against Hillary with this tough new ad. Watch.


NARRATOR: Our next new president faces daunting challenges in a dangerous world. Iran promoting terrorism, North Korea threatening, ISIS on the rise, Libya and North Africa in chaos, Hillary Clinton failed every single time as secretary of state. Now she wants to be president. Hillary Clinton doesn't have the fortitude, strength or stamina to lead in our world. She failed as secretary of state. Don't let her fail us again.


GUILFOYLE: OK, a lot of people talking about that ad today, Eric. Do you think it is the point he need to at this stage of the game.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yeah, you know he is -- I think it's effective. He is -- boy, how do I say this? I think Sunday, he decided he's going to take the gloves off and really go for this. He's got to turn the momentum around, because he wants to probably take the attention away from the video, the hot-mic video that came out on Friday. But if you notice today -- and I'm not sure if it is because of what went back and forth of Paul Ryan, with the last couple of days. He -- he's been tweeting aggressively, he says "The shackles are off. I can finally do what I want to do." And he's been more aggressive today -- last night and today. So maybe he's pushing back on some of the advisers and saying, "I'm going to go a little bit harder core the next 28 days or so and see if this works for me." And may I -- it just feels something changed yesterday and today.

GUILFOYLE: Uh- huh. Like he says I have nothing to lose .

BOLLING: Could be.

GUILFOYLE: . attitude, like let's go all out.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: (inaudible) election.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, so maybe he's winning hearts and minds of Trump supporters, but is he winning hearts and minds with an ad like that with women, independents, undecided?

PERINO: Well, the video does exist. I mean, that did happened when she stumbled at the World Trade Center event on 9/11. That campaign did not reveal that she had pneumonia. She had to later come out and do that. Like, I think they probably knew that that was going to be used against her except for that in the first debate, Donald Trump really kind of let the health thing go because she did fine. The stamina was there. But you notice the language in there is basically that she is, not only is she corrupt and incompetent, but she's also unhealthy and she doesn't have the stamina, which I think is also -- probably doesn't play well with women, I would imagine. They are about the same age. They have been on the campaign trail. I think that some people get pneumonia. That's what happens. The ad reinforces what his -- some of his supporters want to see and to keep winning those people over and over again, that's great and they will turn out for you but does it expand the map? Probably not.

GUILFOYLE: All right. So, it's all about the Electoral College, right, Julie? And making sure to seen all those two states that they say are now leaning democratic that before more toss-ups. So what do you think about these developments and ad like this targeted to try and expand his base?

JULIE ROGINSKY, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: You know, I thought the first half of that ad was a great perspective, the second half of that ad with this not so subliminal messaging that the fact that she's on death's door and deaths door. That I think Dana is right about that it's not something that's going to resonate well with women. Again, if she was somebody who had been off the campaign trail since that incident where she stumbled, stumbled at the World Trade Center, had she not put in two difficult debates where she seem like she had energy and stamina to deflect from that issue, then I would say that's fair to say but it doesn't ring true. What it does is it takes away from the message, the core message of what that ad should be, which is that the world is a mess, rightly or wrongly, Hillary Clinton was responsible for what's going on right now and that's something he should have run on. I would have advised him and his advisers to have left the second part alone and focus primarily on the substance as part of this ad.

GUILFOYLE: So you would have edited and said stop right there and don't talk pass the sale?

ROGINSKY: Totally. Yeah. Exactly right. Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: One of my favorite. All right. Tom Shillue, welcome, it's been a while.


GUILFOYLE: Things good?

SHILLUE: Things are great.

PERINO: You have a beard.

SHILLUE: What do you think?

PERINO: I say I like it.

SHILLUE: Listen, the talk online, people like it. The Twitter -- on Twitter, the talk on Twitter is they like it. So, who knows?

GUILFOYLE: It's the rough side to the barbershop quartet. OK.

SHILLUE: I am rough and I like this ad.


SHILLUE: I think it's great. This is what political ads do. You take out an ad, you have your message and then you show pictures of the candidate not looking their best. When do they show their opponent looking their best? They don't. It's when, you know, why is it a woman thing? You can't show Hillary not looking her best? Every time you run against someone, you show the candidate, you have all of these guys looking haggard and terrible. That's what you do with a political ad.

GUILFOYLE: Exploit the weaknesses.


BOLLING: So this is a political ad online. And if you noticed YouTube put a warning at the bottom of the ad.


BOLLING: Like be careful before you resend this or send this along, to share this.

PERINO: Is the ISIS part?

BOLLING: I'm not sure. They don't exactly say why.

PERINO: Probably the ISIS part.

BOLLING: But boy, I got to tell you, I'm -- this will taken aback that they would warn on the bottom of the --

SHILLUE: Not just warn. It's not available in "search." You have to click on it. You -- it doesn't come up.

GUILFOYLE: But what does that tell you?

BOLLING: It also warns you .


BOLLING: . about sharing .

SHILLUE: Yeah, Yeah.

BOLLING: . that for some reason .


BOLLING: . they don't specify why.

GUILFOYLE: That seems sort of bizarre. We're going to investigate that and probably not get back to you. All right.


GUILFOYLE: As we mentioned, we're just being honest, eight days away from the third and final presidential debate at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas where Fox News Sunday Anchor Chris Wallace will be moderating. Now Trump has some tough lines for Hillary, Sunday night in St. Louis. Listen.


DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: People have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing one-fifth of what you've done and it's a disgrace. And honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.


HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.

TRUMP: Because you'd be in jail.

CLINTON: He want to start, you can start.


TRUMP: Go ahead, Hillary.

CLINTON: No. Go ahead, Donald.

TRUMP: No. I'm a gentleman, Hillary. Go ahead. Honestly, I've never lied. That's the good thing. That's the big difference between Abraham Lincoln and you. We have a divided nation because people like her, and believe me she has tremendous hate in her heart. And when she said deplorables, she meant it.


GUILFOYLE: All right. So, what should each of the candidates do a week from tomorrow to sway undecided voters in the homestretch? This is the big question. It is the final debate, but yet the first fair and balanced debate. Dana?

PERINO: I'm excited because .

GUILFOYLE: Off news.

PERINO: . Chris Wallace, you know what, he's got that thing where -- he has a presence about him. I remember the first few times I had a chance to go on "Fox News Sunday." he makes you nervous like --

GUILFOYLE: Say it's --

PERINO: Like a teacher.

GUILFOYLE: It's terrifying.

PERINO: You actually .


PERINO: . want to do a really good job like you are unnoticed that you have to have your, you know what together. And he has that ability to sort look over his glasses at you as if .

ROGINSKY: There he is.

PERINO: ... you better deliver something -- there he is.


GUILFOYLE: You cannot, you know --

PERINO: So I'm looking forward to this. And it feels like this has come sort of fast and furious, it's just a few days ago that we had the last debate. The thing is, I know that -- I think Donald Trump did a lot better in the second debate than the first. I know his supporters loved it that he finally would take it to Hillary Clinton. And whether you care or not, the scientific polls that came out afterwards, you have him losing that debate. So if the question is, how does he expand to reach undecided voters? I don't know what he does, because at this point, he has said he's unshackled. I don't know what that exactly means. So I think that means you're going to get the full Donald Trump on Wednesday night. I would not miss this debate.

GUILFOYLE: Full Monty.

BOLLING: Yeah, this could break a record. I mean honestly, because what we've gone through, we had the first debate where Hillary won, the second debate where a lot of people say either one of them won. There was a Wall Street Journal poll, I think that had just -- it outlines post-debate, had prior to the debate the last couple of days, but also just post-debate and the number was the same that Clinton leading by seven, which they had Clinton leading by seven prior to the debate and all that stuff as well. The point is this. The third debate could be the final opportunity to make your final decision. You don't want to miss this. I didn't like Anderson Cooper and Martha Raddatz arguing and fact-checking and, almost debating Donald Trump in debate number 2. I didn't still like it. It was so -- it's awkward to me. Chris Wallace, he said .


BOLLING: . he's not going to fact-check. He said he's gonna let the other candidate fact-check the candidate who said something wrong.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, dear all Americans, defend yourself.

BOLLING: I mean that would be fine to watch.


BOLLING: Let them go at it. Let them fact-check. Let them argue who is right about whether the red line was drawn while she was secretary of state or how many barrels of oil that we still import or not or some of the things that Donald said. Let them do it. I love that idea better. What's the, what's the record now? A hundred million? What -- hundred million? We could break a record.

ROGINSKY: Close to it. Yeah. You know what I think he needs to do, he needs to reshackled himself because, what he did right in the second debate, if he did right anything right at all was the second half was more substantive, and that's where I thought he did better. The first half, I know his based love, I know when he started to talking up the women, the base loved it. Nobody else loves it.

PERINO: His ObamaCare answer was great.

ROGINSKY: But -- yes, that's what I'm talking about. He was talking about substance, that's where I thought he did well. When he was talking about women and then your husband did worse and you're liar and you got hate in your heart. That kind of stuff, people don't like. Based loves it, but nobody else love s it. So if I were in her shoes, I would reshackle myself. I would get a hold some policy briefings .

BOLLING: You know that's would happen, do you?

ROGINSKY: Of course, it's not.



ROGINSKY: Of course, it's not. But that's what he should do.

GUILFOYLE: That sounds little perfect thing.

ROGINSKY: I'm not saying -- yeah. Well, it's --

GUILFOYLE: Fifty Shades of congratulations ((ph).



ROGINSKY: . if we're talking about 50 Shades of Grey, I'm suggesting he put away the 50 shades and maybe talk about things that real people care about which is not Fifty Shades, but more about how their lives are gonna be improved under President Trump versus, who Bill Clinton may or may have not slept with back in the '70s '80s and '90s.

GUILFOYLE: He's at a winning case to make, though, just on the issues on. The people care about the economy, he is more trusted to be able to make advances and put the economy back on the tracking. Talk about ObamaCare like Dana says, (inaudible) talk about national security and the failed foreign policy of Barack Obama about his secretary .

BOLLING: Talk about immigration.

GUILFOYLE: Secretary Clinton.

BOLLING: He owns her on immigration.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Well, he's --

BOLLING: Just go there.

GUILFOYLE: That's what his supporters like, too, but he's got to start getting the lean towards me versus lean towards her.

SHILLUE: And maybe. And maybe a head fake, this whole thing, the unshackled. He's putting it out there. He's got the tough ads. He may be setting it up. He likes to accept things up and then go in another direction.

ROGINSKY: But wait. Are you saying there's a pivot coming? Because I'm not ready for a .

GUILFOYLE: The head fake.

ROGINSKY: . significant pivot now for a year. This is it?

GUILFOYLE: Head fake.

ROGINSKY: This the pivot?

SHILLUE: Look at first debate was a little bit of a pivot.


SHILLUE: I thought he was too soft in the first debate. I think he was advised not to attack.

GUILFOYLE: True, (inaudible).

SHILLUE: And it didn't work for him. It's not his personality.

BOLLING: So, while we're -- entrenched in talking about every twist and turn in this campaign, a few days ago we passed a budget. We passed a resolution that funds thing like fully funds Planned Parenthood, fully funds refugee program -- an expanded refugee programs, fully fund sanctuary cities -- we haven't talked about it here. We did not do one block on this show about that in eight days and this is an opportunity for Trump to say, you know what while you're worrying about what I said on a bus, how about the money we just -- we're spending trillions of dollars. We're throwing hundreds of billions of dollars at issues that the American voter probably doesn't want their taxpayer money spent on. He is such an opportunity. He's got to take it, though.

GUILFOYLE: Juan, also now he's been on sort of the elliptical, the debate elliptical, so he's got some practice. And Dana, I mean, he probably feeling a little more comfortable, confidence after the last performance. Go into this now.

PERINO: I'm also curious, just given -- at the polls being what they are going into that third debate, I mean, he just like, go for it.

GUILFOYLE: Let it risk.

PERINO: Like at this point, like just be himself, do whatever .

ROGINSKY: Notice what he's feeling?

PERINO: . that he feels he needs to do.

ROGINSKY: I think he's no longer interested in winning this election. I think he's now interested in destroying the Republican Party and refashioning it in his own image. Because his attacks on Paul Ryan and John McCain and so on and so forth, (inaudible), all of these people, all of it's to link four weeks out, it's splintering the Republican Party.

BOLLING: Let's see. Here's what you need to do. And -- if you think that he's going to lose the debate or if he thinks he's going to lose the election, that brand -- what's the Trump brand going to be on November 9th, right? So you have to -- he has to at least, he's got 28 days to figure out what November 9th is going to be for Trump. And I guess Hillary has to worry about it, too. I guess that's what is going to be going back to the Clinton Foundation. But what's Trump going to be? Is he going to risk the - - what he sees as a celebrity brand .


BOLLING: . a valuable .


BOLLING: . celebrity brand by doing something like that.

ROGINSKY: He's already done it.

BOLLING: I'm not sure. Maybe, maybe he sees -- just envision it. I don't know what's going to be. I have no idea what it's going to be. But certainly I would think that if the numbers are not looking good for him going into that debate, you'll see some sort of pivot towards what he wants to be, post November 9th.

GUILFOYLE: Well, next on "The Five," Dionne Warwick with the psychic friends network -- just kidding. You may know. A programming note, be sure, and I'm not kidding, to tune in to Fox News next Wednesday for the first fair and balanced presidential debate moderated by our very own Chris Wallace, he's a winner for sure, only here on Fox News. And coming up, the '90s are back as Hillary Clinton hits the trail with her old pal, Al Gore. Now, will the democratic do affect these in revving up millennial voters? Details, ahead. Stay with us.


PERINO: In an effort to court millennial voters, Hillary Clinton is taken it back two decades hitting the trail in the battleground state in Florida with her old friend, Al Gore, to talk about an issue of concerned many young people, climate change.


CLINTON: I can't wait to have Al Gore advising me when I am president of the United States.


AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: Hillary Clinton will make solving the climate crisis a top national priority. Here's my second message. Your vote really, really, really counts. You can consider me as an exhibit A of that truth.


GORE: For those of you who are younger than 25, you might not remember the election of 2000 and what happened here in Florida and across the country. Elections have consequences.


PERINO: Indeed. All right, whether young people will come out to vote and swing the election remains a question mark, a recent Quinnipiac poll found 60 percent of millennials say they've consider voting third party this election if there was sort of a more credible third-party candidate, Kimberly.


PERINO: Maybe they'd be able to do that. Usually they start to realize that their vote would be thrown away if they go third party and they start to make choices, which I guess is why you thought Al Gore in Florida made a lot of sense?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, the ghost from climate past coming. So he's coming in to Florida like remember me, hanging chad, your vote counts, don't mess it up again, don't waste your vote, don't go green, don't go lib, don't go whatever, just go donkey. Just go for the democratic candidate, vote for Hillary Clinton. Push this state over the edge so we don't have one of these problems again. Look I -- it's clever. Bring him in. He loves to talk about climate. John Podesta, big, you know, a passion of his huge is climate change, so he's bringing in Al Gore for that. But he just kind of brings back all like the cobwebs, the memory of like, you know, Al Gore, what happened to him on the heels of the Lewinsky scandal, the people felt that that hurt him and cause him the election, there's been bad blood between Al and Hillary, but you know what? At least they are unifying to go forward to try to get it done in Florida.

PERINO: Julie, is climate that big of a deal from millenials that we turned them out?

ROGINSKY: Yeah, actually. If you like pulling it, it is a big deal. I'm not sure Al Gore is a big deal. This is what makes no sense to me. I mean --


PERINO: Where was the -- is Leonardo DiCaprio not available?

ROGINSKY: Like yeah, that's a great point. I remember, frankly, because I'm old, where I was when 2000 was going on after you have hanging chad thing in my office. I t makes me a complete relic.

PERINO: You're a nerd.

ROGINSKY: Nobody -- I'm a total nerd.

GUILFOYLE: That's sexy.

ROGINSKY: Let me tell you something, I thought you can move here and look at that thing Chad thing and --


ROGINSKY: But I will say, for people who are under 25, I mean he's right. I don't know who cares about it necessarily and who, who really, you know, who remembers Al Gore? Yes --


PERINO: This is the place where Donald Trump could have the other night could have also gone to her on when -- we're gonna talk Ken Bone later, the guys that asked the question .


PERINO: . about energy.

BOLLING: Ken Bone.

PERINO: But when she said she wanted to put the coal miners out of business.

BOLLING: Yeah, yeah.

PERINO: I mean that there are fundamental changes if you're a young person in Florida or if you're in the coal country, you have very different views on who shall win this election.

BOLLING: That resonates. That -- and she bring that up in the debate. I think this is a smart move by, by Hillary, although my 18-year-old son was two when the hanging chad was an issue, but --


BOLLING: No, but isn't it important that she did do this in Florida. Florida does have climate issues. They have temperature issues. They have sea level issues --


BOLLING: No, no. But they have this algae issue that no one really talks about. There's a massive algae situation --


SHILLUE: Al Gore, algae?

BOLLING: Yeah. Al Gore -- algae. A-L-G-A-E, if I'm not mistaken.


PERINO: We're so glad you are here.

BOLLING: But the point is it's smart to do .


BOLLING: . because you hit on climate in Florida. I get it. That is I'm not sure that the inventor of the internet is the right to do it.

PERINO: Yeah, he did invent the internet. We do have to thank him for that.

SHILLUE: He did. And he is so exciting. I mean, I was yawning when he took (inaudible) the clip and I couldn't get through it. But I think young people do know who he is because they were forced to watch his movie in school.

PERINO: That's true.

SHILLUE: All kids had to watch that movie .


SHILLUE: . so they all know who Al Gore is.

PERINO: Do you remember when that movie came out?


PERINO: I do. It is in January of 2004, and it was the coldest day of the year.


GUILFOYLE: And everyone's laughing .

PERINO: That was great.

GUILFOYLE: . like, oh, it's freezing. Let's worry about climate -- yeah.

PERINO: Let me ask you then, Eric, do you think that they sort of narrowing these millenials, I know that they think that they would like a third party but, at this point, do you think Gary Johnson is an option for them?

BOLLING: Yeah. No, that's not, not -- this is not the election forum, but - -

GUILFOYLE: Aleppo who?

BOLLING: You know Bernie Sanders was the, was the guy for the millennials. I mean it's amazing the numbers that he was pointing out and it was changed. They wanted a credible change. And he's also talking their language, you know, free, free -- college educations, you know, let's tax the wealthy are more. So, that was that message was resonating. I can't imagine if they had a credible Bernie Sanders .

SHILLUE: So as Jill.

BOLLING: . in the race.

PERINO: Jill Stein?

BOLLING: Jill Stein?

SHILLUE: Jill Stein.

BOLLING: No. There's someone who is -- who is a younger version of Bernie Sanders with a big personality. Boy, that could have been --

PERINO: Do you -- does the democrats have a younger version of Bernie Sanders?

ROGINSKY: I don't -- probably Sherrod Brown. I was thinking somebody like that. But the difference here is, you know, in 2000, as I recall, George Bush didn't scare them, but he just out of third-party voters. Donald Trump, I think to some extent he just had a third-party voters like to the extent where the right thing and I think they're going to take a look at their options and say, "Wait, if I potentially vote for third party, I may give this election to Donald Trump." That's a big difference .

PERINO: But the other --

ROGINSKY: . for saving it to somebody like George Bush. So I don't think terrified young people the way Donald Trump terrify them.

PERINO: You know we spend a lot of time talking about millennials, Kimberly .


PERINO: . but we really haven't talked about it. I think this is so interesting in terms of how many different -- the four different generations are all voting in this election. It's seniors. They are much more reliable voting bloc than millennials. Millenials have said they're apathetic. They don't like either of the candidates. Should we maybe have more attention on seniors?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, why not. I mean a hundred percent. But look at the villages. I think they are like pretty much all in for, for Trump. But, yeah, why not? Seniors will go out, they're totally in to voting, into the election process, perhaps more even party invested than, say, millennials who are looking for something new and fresh and we're so attracted to the candidacy. Bernie Sanders, they are not going to lay awake at night sweating and crying over the Democratic Party and the DNC and Hillary. They don't have that kind of investment. But I think seniors, you can make a persuasive case, and especially when as it relates to like ObamaCare and Medicare, and it's like, do you -- this is somebody who's going to make changes that realizes you have been left behind, and failed, and we're going to make sure we earned your vote. You matter to us, you're a great American and we're going to take care of you.

PERINO: So if you're a senior or millennial in Florida, like if your grandmother is there, make sure you get her to the polls and she'll take you to polls and everybody will vote. And it will be great. That was my public service.


PERINO: Yeah, PSA. All right. Directly ahead, the media has focused all of its attention on Donald Trump these past few days, but what about Hillary Clinton? Newly released e-mails exposed what she and her team really thinks about issue like ISIS and Benghazi. We have that, next.


BOLLING: The past couple of weeks the media have been focused mainly on old Donald Trump tapes from over a decade ago, but why haven't they been pushing more for answers from Hillary? Well, Democrat Senator Chris Coons is urging for the released of Clinton's paid Wall Street speeches.


SEN. CHRIS COONS, D-DEL.: It seems to me that it's in everyone's best interests for us to reach across the aisle, to engage those who feel they are on the outside, to build some confidence in -- I think the strongest candidate for president, Secretary Clinton, and to release things that are now only known in portion.


BOLLING: Meanwhile, there are even more ne WikiLeaks revelations. In 2014, Hillary sent an e-mail to her Campaign Chairman John Podesta saying, "Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding ISIS." And the leaked e-mails also show Clinton's staff debated how much outrage she should show lawmakers over Benghazi at her 2015 Capitol Hill hearing. K.G., they have lots -- it's like 4,000 e-mails in the last couple of days.


BOLLING: They keep finding new things.

GUILFOYLE: More just coming out now. Yes. So, the volume -- we'll see about that later. So what, what it is, is that you got to process this because you have to make sure, you have to check it. The very interesting to me is it seems that they are very worried about something big or significant dropping, because from the beginning they have been putting forward the narrative that perhaps this is something that was -- sort of like of Russian hack that you can't trust the WikiLeaks documents because maybe they have been doctored, because WikiLeaks, like they said, was an agent of the Russians, trying to put this stuff forward to do in Hillary Clinton.  So they're saying, no matter what comes out, distrust it. Because they're probably worried that something more significant than we already know could be released.

BOLLING: Dana, right now, is Podesta going, "Oh, my God, oh, my God, what did I write? What did I send to who?"


BOLLING: Is he going through everything he ever sent, in his mind?

PERINO: He strikes me -- I don't know him very well. He strikes me as a pretty calm character. So I think that he's probably letting this ride. I

I do think it's important to provide some context, though, because she did say that she thinks that Qatar and Saudi Arabia are involved. But the full quote is, "While this military, paramilitary operation moving forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligent assets -- intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of them because" - - to me that sounds very clear-eyed and levelheaded. I don't know why they're talking about this on an unsecure e-mail. It seems to be fairly significant. But I think that what she said there is not...

GUILFOYLE: You don't think it's earth-shattering?

PERINO: I don't think it makes her look bad. She's being relatively smart about addressing the issue.

GUILFOYLE: Contemplative.

BOLLING: Julie, one of the things that I saw, and I'm trying to figure out -- I think this is a big deal, and I'm not sure why they're not blowing this up a little bit more -- was Hillary Clinton's reluctance to talk about reinstating Glass-Steagall. Glass-Steagall years ago was there. It was basically a Chinese wall between the investment bank and the depositors' money. Bill Clinton lifted that wall...


BOLLING: ... and let both banks become too big to fair.

Now, her advisers were suggesting, "Let's get Glass/Steagall put in so that we push back on Elizabeth Warren's issues and Bernie Sanders' issues." And she was reluctant to do it.

GUILFOYLE: Why do you think?

BOLLING: I think there's an opening there for Trump to say, "Hey, she's been on both sides of the Glass-Steagall wall, and she's been on both sides of TPP wall. Is this who you want to be president?"

ROGINSKY: Well, he could certainly say it. I mean, the problem for him is, is he in favor of reinstating Glass-Steagall? I don't know that he is or whether he's even aware of what Glass/Steagall is.

Look, here's the problem with what has come out of these WikiLeaks so far.  The most important thing to me is you have people talking about, as Dana said, policy issues, which is not earth-shattering, talking about how she's going to address the Benghazi committee, which is basically prep for a committee hearing; also not shattering. And I think if you were hack the e-mails of anybody in that situation, you would find very similar content.

So all of this stuff that's supposed to be very earth-shattering and explosive, in reality is nothing more than what any politician would have as trying to assess their our vulnerabilities, the vulnerabilities, in Bernie Sanders' case, of their opponent, trying to figure out the best way to exploit it and the best way to mitigate against your own vulnerabilities.

Based on that, I don't see anything earth-shattering. It's just -- it's what you do in a campaign. I've worked in enough campaigns where there's a million candidates who have the same kind of issues and the same kind of prep that they do.

BOLLING: Were you getting more?

SHILLUE: It's earth-shattering, because it's not earth-shattering. It's - - it's banal in how little regard these people have for the American people. I mean, it gives me the willies when I read these things.

They never talk about policy. They talk about themselves. The thing about "How much outrage should I show." I mean, it's ridiculous. It's all theater.

And of course, Podesta is not shaking in his boots about his e-mails, because he shrugs everything off. And the media helps him shrug it off, because they shrug, too. They can do whatever they want. It's ridiculous.

ROGINSKY: But it's a campaign. Tom, you're assuming these people are sitting here, trying to determine policy. They're trying to determine how they're going to inoculate their candidate against political attacks. And you may like it or dislike it. It happens in every campaign.

SHILLUE: I dislike it.

ROGINSKY: You can dislike it, but I guarantee you, there's Republican campaigns and Democratic campaigns that are responsible that do the same thing. That's called being prepared in the campaign.

GUILFOYLE: Policy, process, preparation.

PERINO: I think what was interesting was the first -- the sound bite that you showed from Senator Coons. I think that that actually -- he's kind of auditioning for -- to be the future Bernie Sanders...

GUILFOYLE: Yes, maybe.

PERINO: ... of the party. And I think that, while the Republicans are going through their own civil war right now, the Democrats' civil war is coming. And you can see it. It's being -- all the seeds are being planted right now, because nothing that the Democrats do in the future will ever be pure enough for the left. So...

GUILFOYLE: They've been pushed that far.

BOLLING: Can I throw one at you? Elizabeth Warren. She might...

PERINO: She's the new Bernie Sanders?

BOLLING: She might just be the new Bernie Sanders with enough -- enough likability.

GUILFOYLE: I think for sure.

BOLLING: Certainly smart enough to do it.

ROGINSKY: She was Bernie Sanders before Bernie Sanders was Bernie Sanders, though. She was, like, the first one to do this.

GUILFOYLE: Well, because she was leaning back. She wasn't going to get burned. You know, Bernie got burned.

BOLLING: We'll leave it right there.

Up next, he's taking the country by storm. Debate audience member and Internet sensation Ken Bone opens up about becoming an unofficial star of Sunday's face-off when we return.



KEN BONE, READ QUESTION AT PRESIDENTIAL TOWN HALL: We were not allowed to have any electronic devices with us, and we were sequestered at the debate venue from about 8 a.m. until the debate was over at 10.

When I turned my phone back on when I got back to my car at about 10:30 Central, I had thousands of notifications and Twitter friend requests and Facebook friend requests. I'm just really glad that I have a small platform to encourage people to spark the debate on energy and get out and vote.




ROGINSKY: Make no bones about it -- I did not write that -- Ken Bone has emerged as the unofficial star of Sunday's debate, setting the Internet on fire with his bright red sweater, much like I'm wearing in honor of him today. The undecided voter has won over America's heart, revealing why he made his now-famous fashion choice for the big event.


BONE: I had this really nice suit that my grandfather really liked before he passed away, and so I thought, "I'm going to be on national TV. I'm going to wear Grandpa's favorite suit of mine." But apparently, since Grandpa passed away, I've gotten a little more fat than I used to be. And when I got in my car, I tore the pants open.

STEVE DOOCY, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS": You ripped the seat.

BONE: And they are destroyed. I ripped the seat right out of the pants and had to switch to emergency Plan B.



ROGINSKY: After the debate, Bone says he's become more undecided than ever.

PERINO: Oh, dear.

ROGINSKY: I am racking my brain here, trying to think of something to ask about this.

PERINO: Well, I think that it's -- it's really interesting that, like, people were looking for anything in that debate that would be positive that they could, like, grab on to, and it happened to be Ken Bone. And he was not -- he didn't expect to be this Internet star. And he's just so honest.  When he talks about ripping the seat out of his pants and chose another one, his grandparents. I mean, if you're looking for real Americans, you've found him in Ken Bone.

GUILFOYLE: And the sweater, which was a very good value.

SHILLUE: You know, I like a guy in a zipper sweater. I always loved that look. But I detect a little snobbery with the whole Ken Bone thing.

ROGINSKY: I agree.

SHILLUE: First of all, the reason Twitter was looking for something was because Trump won the debate, and everybody on Twitter couldn't believe it.  And they were like, what do we talk about? Let's talk about this guy in the red sweater. That's No. 1.

No. 2, it's a lot of snobbery: "Oh, look at the average American. I love him so much." There's something about it.

GUILFOYLE: Look at that split screen right now.

SHILLUE: It's a little bit of bullying.

GUILFOYLE: Right. Look at you?

SHILLUE: I know. It's terrible. Look, you've got a really cool, slick guy, and then you've got average American Ken Bone. It's just cruel.

PERINO: Wow. What got into you?

SHILLUE: Look, I think, look at me, I'm the average American. What I'm saying is, America is not loving Ken Bone. They're making fun of him, and I don't like it.

ROGINSKY: I disagree profoundly. Eric, is he the one you've been waiting for, basically what Dana's saying?

BOLLING: It's amazing. He's this Internet sensation now. He started with something like seven followers. Now he's up to 100,000 as of air time.

Here's my issue. He had the most substantive question of the whole debate.


BOLLING: No question. Hands down. He asked about an energy question.  And the thing is, he should be a single-issue voter, energy. His family's involved in the coal industry. And he just -- he's sitting in front of Secretary Clinton, who said, "We will put coal miners out of business," and he still remains undecided after that. That comment alone should be Ken Bone's wake-up call to say, "I can't vote for -- I may not like Trump, but I cannot vote for her."

PERINO: That's why those.

BOLLING: But he wants to stay undecided.

PERINO: That's why those commercials drive me crazy.

BOLLING: Come on, Ken. Get tough, Bone.

PERINO: You know the commercials that say...

BOLLING: Bone up.

PERINO: You know the commercials for -- and they go through all the things about how important it is to have diverse energy, and at the end they say, "I'm an energy voter."

That's like, so what are you for? Who are you for? And they've never said in any of the years that they've run that ad.

ROGINSKY: Ken Bone just answered your question.

GUILFOYLE: He, to me, looks like the new Mr. Rogers.

PERINO: I love that.

GUILFOYLE: With his sweaters, his cute sweaters and his sensible shoes

BOLLING: I thought I was the new Mr. Rogers.

PERINO: No, you are not. You are Mr. Time-out.

GUILFOYLE: He is the -- with your sensible sweater...

SHILLUE: I'm a tough-love Mr. Rogers.

GUILFOYLE: ... and your little beard thing or whatever that is.

SHILLUE: You don't think they're making fun of Ken Bone. I do.

GUILFOYLE: No, I think people think he's cute and charming.

ROGINSKY: I actually agree with you. I think there's a lot of New York media condescension about Ken Bone. Everybody's sitting around, saying, "Oh, isn't he so cute and adorable. He's not like us." You know, I agree.  There's a little bit of...

PERINO: Ken, no one's making fun of you.

ROGINSKY: Not at this table.

SHILLUE: I'm not.

ROGINSKY: Not at this table, but I agree. There is that.

BOLLING: I just wanted Bone to make a decision.

GUILFOYLE: Is Ken married?

ROGINSKY: Are you looking?

GUILFOYLE: No, I'm not interesting in being Mrs. Bone. But I mean in a nice way. Tease.


Direct -- directly ahead, Donald Trump shares the campaign stage with a much younger version of himself. So how did toddler Trump handle the spotlight? Breathlessly waiting with anticipation. We'll find out next.


SHILLUE: Despite the heated rhetoric in the election, there are still some fun and light moments from the campaign trail. First up, Donald Trump's mini me steals the show at his rally in Pennsylvania. Watch.



DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Now, he's supposed to look like Donald Trump, but he's actually much too good-looking. You are really handsome. Where's your daddy? And your mommy. Right? You want to go back -- do you want to go back to them or do you want to stay with Donald Trump?



GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: You can't script that.

SHILLUE: That was fantastic.

ROGINSKY: So cute.

SHILLUE: And check out how Dutch TV interpreted Sunday's debate, inspired by a hit song from the movie "Dirty Dancing."


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): Saw the writing on the wall as we felt this magical fantasy. Now with passion in our eyes there's no way we could disguise. So we take each other's hand let's proceed to understand the other..."


GUILFOYLE: So funny.

SHILLUE: They didn't edit that at all, either. It synced up perfectly.

PERINO: Perfect.

SHILLUE: Yes, it's amazing.

Julie, every time I hear that song...


SHILLUE: I want to go on an all-expense vacation when I hear that song.

ROGINSKY: To where, to where Baby and Johnny met in the Catskills?

SHILLUE: That's awesome. I think of the beach.

ROGINSKY: The Kellermanns?

SHILLUE: Yes. OK. That was fun.

What about little Trump, though?

ROGINSKY: He's adorable.

SHILLUE: Yes. Shouldn't -- I think he should -- little Trump, he's going to take him to...

GUILFOYLE: Is this a Friday show?

SHILLUE: Can he get him tickets to the debate? Put him in the front row.  Trump with little Trump sitting there.

ROGINSKY: Exactly. Put little Trump next to all the women that accused Bill Clinton of having affairs and sexual assaulting. I'm sure little Trump...

PERINO: I don't think they're going to come back for the third debate.

ROGINSKY: I don't know about that.

PERINO: It was really cute. And also, you can't script a moment like that. So Donald Trump, I'd show a lot more of that on the campaign trail.

GUILFOYLE: He looked so nice and friendly. And you know what it made me think of? Aww. Because he's a grandpa...


GUILFOYLE: ... to all those grandkids. They always play in his office.

PERINO: Even Hillary Clinton said he's a good dad.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I mean, so that's a super charming, cute little photo.

SHILLUE: And K.G., as a lawyer I wouldn't have asked that question.

GUILFOYLE: It's legal.

SHILLUE: That's a set-up for a fail. He said, "Do you want to go back to your parents or do you want to stay with Donald Trump?" I mean, that's a risky question to ask a kid. What if he said I want to, you know...

GUILFOYLE: Well, it's not going to be legally binding, if that's what you mean as a lawyer. Like, Trump doesn't get to keep baby Trump. Is that what you're saying?

SHILLUE: I'm saying he's a risk taker.

GUILFOYLE: Well, he's not risk averse, is he?

SHILLUE: No, he's not.

GUILFOYLE: Right? Part of the deal.

SHILLUE: Eric, what do you think?

BOLLING: I'm just enjoying watching you come up with questions about little Trump.

SHILLUE: This is what I do. This is what I do on "Red Eye" all the time.  We don't talk about serious stuff.

BOLLING: How about Trump puts...

GUILFOYLE: He's got similar hairdos.

BOLLING: ... Ken Bone and little Trump in his VIP box for the next debate?


BOLLING: That would be fun, right?

PERINO: Ken Bone could maybe, like, sit...

BOLLING: In the middle.

PERINO: ... in the middle, like a foot in each camp.

SHILLUE: I'm suspicious. I think Ken Bone is going to the other side. I think he might...

PERINO: What's the other side?

BOLLING: Hillary?

SHILLUE: Hillary is going to get him.


SHILLUE: They're going to...

ROGINSKY: Ken Bone did say he was leaning towards Trump, and now he may be leaning...

PERINO: After the debate? I thought he won the debate!

SHILLUE: They're going to pull him over. I think Ken Bone is -- there's something -- something nefarious is going on.

PERINO: Stop being so down.

BOLLING: I hate to be the party pooper for Bone, but he's got about 15 more minutes of fame. He's got, like...

PERINO: Live it up, Ken Bone.

ROGINSKY: That's what we all thought when we got on TV. And look, we're still here.


SHILLUE: Well, I think that Trump needs -- I think he's got to cut an ad with mini Trump.


SHILLUE: Forget the attack.

Has he done -- has Trump done any positive ads for -- I mean...

PERINO: About himself?

SHILLUE: I see all the attack ads. We need to see the lighter side of Trump.

PERINO: Some of the PACs have done.

ROGINSKY: I think "The Apprentice" was his positive ad.

SHILLUE: The thing is, his strength is his rallies. He's out there -- if you watch the rallies, they're amazing, and it makes you -- it kind of...

GUILFOYLE: Show them in the ads, yes, the enthusiasm.

SHILLUE: I don't see the rallies in the ads. Why don't we see them?

PERINO: I think you are about to be a campaign staffer. I can see it.  Like the next career move.

GUILFOYLE: You're the new guy in Virginia for them.

SHILLUE: I would give advice to those guys. I don't know...

ROGINSKY: Cuyahoga County, Ohio, here he comes.

PERINO: You could write some jokes for them.

GUILFOYLE: Is "Facebook Friday" next?

PERINO: No, it's only Tuesday.

SHILLUE: "One More Thing" is up next.


GUILFOYLE: All right. It's time now for "One More Thing." And you may have seen this on the channel earlier, but it's incredibly heartwarming.  It's another tribute to the men and women out there in blue that serve and dedicate and put it on the line all day, and this case was a case of saving a child's life and it's very sweet.

Last month, 25-year police veteran Lieutenant Kenneth Knox got a surprise of a lifetime when he answered a call for a choking child. And you see the picture of her right there. When he arrived, he said that the little 2- month-old girl, Ma'Yavi Parham, was turning blue and fading fast even after her parents had tried giving her CPR. So good for them, so everyone should know that. He performed reverse CPR and was able to get a piece of cereal out of her throat.

Story doesn't end there. Earlier this month the parents of the little baby girl asked Lieutenant Knox to be her godfather. How amazing is that? In a Facebook post to little Ma'Yavi, Lieutenant Knox wrote this: "It is my honor, my privilege and pleasure. My precious angel, I swear I will forever be your guardian and love you with all my heart."

God bless them both. Great story.

PERINO: K.G., this is, like, the seventh time in a row I've cried at your "OMT."


PERINO: And I'll go next and try to make you laugh, because I think you're going to like this. I was thinking of you when I thought of this. Blake Shelton was with Jimmy Fallon, and last night they had another episode of where they try to make each other do something they've never done.

Several months ago Blake had to eat sushi, which he hated. And last night, Blake made Jimmy Fallon milk a cow. Take a look.




SHELTON: Meet Oreo.

FALLON: Hi, Oreo. Did I overdress because I thought...

SHELTON: You dressed very disrespectful. You look like Howdy Doody right now.

It's an old farming tradition that you do a shot of your first milk.


PERINO: I loved that when he threw it over his shoulder.

GUILFOYLE: Is that true?

PERINO: No, I don't think so.

BOLLING: Did you do it?

GUILFOYLE: Of the goat milk?

BOLLING: You milked a cow.


BOLLING: Did you take a shot?

PERINO: Remember that little girl, Charity. She was the one helping you.

GUILFOYLE: She taught me. I mean, now I feel like I'm recession proof.  Because there ain't a goat I can't milk.

BOLLING: You'll have to do it again and take a shot of the milk.

SHILLUE: Is that a real tradition? Do you really...


BOLLING: He made that up?

PERINO: I think he was giving him a hard time. I've never heard that.

SHILLUE: You ought to be -- you ought to drink the milk if you're going to milk the cow.

GUILFOYLE: If you do, like, milk a goat you drink the goat and the milk and then chase it with, like, cow?

SHILLUE: You milk it, you got to drink it, that's my rule.

ROGINSKY: I love goat milk. I'll drink it.


GUILFOYLE: OK, so I have a customer.

ROGINSKY: You do. I'm telling you. I'm here for you, K.G.

PERINO: Don't talk past the...

GUILFOYLE: What a team.

ROGINSKY: Exactly.

BOLLING: Is it my turn?


BOLLING: So we talked about -- we did the whiteboard on the Senate. We talked about what the Republicans need to do to keep the Senate.  Personally I think it's still a Republican Senate. House is going to be real tough for the Democrats to flip.

But what about the gubernatorial races? There are 12 gubernatorial races.  Right now the governors' houses across the country are 31 Republican, 18 Democrats, 1 independent. There are 12 up for election in 2016, November 8. Right now, it looks like -- by the way, four of those are Republican; eight of them are Democrat. And it looks like they're going to continue to hold.

But a couple of key races. Keep your eye on Indiana where Mike Pence was; North Carolina; New Hampshire. That's two Republicans and one Dem. It would take a lot. It would take almost a clean sweep to switch the country from a gubernatorial Republican to Democrat.

GUILFOYLE: Are those the 18 states that aren't doing so good, too? Have some problems.

BOLLING: Could be. Could be. We'll look into that.

GUILFOYLE: We'll look into that. We'll get back to you.

PERINO: We'll get back to you.

BOLLING: Or we won't.


SHILLUE: Who's next, is it me?

PERINO: It's you.

SHILLUE: OK. This clown thing has gotten out of hand. Everybody is scared of clowns now. The Halloween stores are taking the clown masks out of the stores.


SHILLUE: Yes. People are freaked out by them. And the stores are now nervous, because they think they're going to contribute to some accident or something like that. It's mass hysteria.

PERINO: It's crazy.

SHILLUE: It is crazy, isn't it, Dana?

PERINO: I agree with you, for once, on that.

BOLLING: It's a great idea. Can't stand clowns.

GUILFOYLE: No, clowns are the worst.

PERINO: But you like the free market.

GUILFOYLE: Like, with knives and carrying weapons. You can't, like, terrorize people and go like this.

ROGINSKY: Isn't the whole point of Halloween that you're supposed to, like, be scared of things?

SHILLUE: Thank you, Julie. Julie, we keep agreeing today.

ROGINSKY: I know. Welcome to the liberal side. I'm so proud of you.

SHILLUE: I'm -- look, Halloween is -- it features murder and mayhem. I mean, you have masks like...

GUILFOYLE: Don't let Mr. Rogers Shillue eat up your time. You've got to go.


ROGINSKY: All right. Well, I'm only here to see I haven't gotten enough hate mail today. So I want to wish Bill and Hillary Clinton a very, very, very happy 41st anniversary.

SHILLUE: Wow. I should have taken more time.

ROGINSKY: I anticipate your tweets telling me exactly how much you appreciate what I just said and how much you wish them well, as well. The former president wished her a happy anniversary by saying, "Forty-one years ago, I married my best friend and the finest change maker I've ever known."


ROGINSKY: And "Yes, I'm still in awe of her." She did not respond.


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