This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 27, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone, I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld, it's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
Well, the first debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is in the history books and it did make history. We now know the numbers more than 81 million people tuned in. According to preliminary data from Nielsen, as predicted, the most watched debate of all time and what is show it was.
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DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: You called it the gold standard of trade deals.
HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: And you know what?
TRUMP: You said it's the finest deal you've ever seen.
TRUMP: And then you heard what I said about it and all of a sudden you were against it.
CLINTON: Well, Donald, I know you live in your own reality .
TRUMP: Oh, yeah.
CLINTON: . but that is not the facts.
TRUMP: And look at her website, if you know what, it's no different than this. She's telling us how to fight ISIS. She says, go to our website. She tells you how to fight ISIS on her website. I don't think General Douglas McArthur would like that too much.
CLINTON: Well, at least I have a plan to fight ISIS.
TRUMP: No, no.
CLINTON: I have a feeling by the end of this evening I'm going to be blamed for everything that has ever happened.
TRUMP: Why not?
CLINTON: Why not. Yeah. Why not.
TRUMP: Oh, I have much better judgment than she does. There's no question than that. I also have a much better temperament than she does, you know?
(END VIDEO CLIPS)
BOLLING: Both camps thought their candidate won the debate. In a normal election cycle there'll be a clear winner and a clear loser, but this is no normal year and no one in their right mind would call this normal candidates. Generally, the pundit class called it for Hillary, no surprise there, the left loves her and the D.C. elites hate Trump, but Trump did very well in some online polls which aren't scientific. CNBC has Trump winning, as does CBS, Time and The Hill, even Variety has Trump was the win. CNN, on the other hand, has Hillary ahead. So we got special hour of analysis, a time to get to, but we're going to throw it around the table first, quickly, your original first thoughts on what you saw last night.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: My first thoughts were, you know, it was in the beginning thinking, wow, 90 minutes, but it went by very quickly, you know, and it just - it sped through and I was like, OK, wait, are they going to get to this? And so, I obviously would have loved to hear, I think a lot of people at home, too; some more discussion, there's so get to, so many like, you know, mean potatoes of the election in terms of the economy, in terms of national security. And yeah, I would have liked to see more about, you know, e-mails, et cetera, but I think that's -- we'll talk about a little bit more about that later, but those are opportunities for a candidate to take as well. Now, besides that, I think that Hillary looks good. She didn't seem like she was sick. She didn't seem like that she was having low energy or low stamina. So, I don't know. I think in that sense she came off as one of the first things I thought when I saw the screen and I think Trump looked like, you know, he normally does and he was strong and seemed comfortable in his own skin.
BOLLING: All right. Juan, what are your thoughts -- brief thoughts?
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, you know, I mean, to me, it was the commander-in-chief test, you know, can Donald look presidential? And I didn't see at all last night, the sniffling, the grimacing, the smirking, and you know, then, you know --
GUILFOYLE: That's a new word.
GUILFOYLE: Schmirk (ph)?
BOLLING: Schmirk (ph)?
WILLIAMS: Smirking. Well, anyway, and then it seemed to me that when it came to, you know, some very essential stuff, like his business pedigree. She was managed to get under his skin. So the temperament issue, again, highlighted. So I think, you know, it's almost as if you turned off the sound and just watched the screen, at the end, there she is, celebrating with her family, shaking hands, smiling. Donald Trump, man, he was gone. He's like a guy that just lost a fight and didn't want to see or talk to anybody. And then later, you hear from people on his own side, "maybe we don't do a debate again."
BOLLING: So I was in the debate inside, listening and I got to tell you, it's a different experience being inside. It's you, it's like a library. You can hear a pin drop inside. You have much different feel for a debate from there than you do, when you even -- when you watch it on TV, even if you watch in a quiet room the TV cameras have a tendency to pick up things that you don't pick up when you're in the audience. We'll get into it a little bit more, later. But I agree with Juan, I think yesterday on the show I said, "Boy, you should turn the volume off and watch the debate a little bit." I'll tell you, Trump -- you know in -- in the football games, you watch game in film.
BOLLING: He should do that. He should watch that back with the volume off. Maybe a little bit of a tip right there. We'll gonna talk about who won or who lost in a second. Dana, your thoughts?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I would say that NBC billed it as the first presidential debate. It was going to be about American prosperity and security, and I thought that there would be a little bit of a lift, but they trod over ground that had been gone over a lot of times. Maybe that was for clarity sake, and then the, and the other two debates, they can move on for that. But I do believe that after all the hype and the wondering of which kind of candidate that was going to show up from either side; would she be this way, what he did that way? It turns out that both of them came as themselves.
PERINO: And that's what you got. And I do think that if the Trump campaign really thought -- really good about it, they probably wouldn't have canceled going to the victory party or gonna -- the event she went to hers. The other thing that she did, you know, it was interesting, it's all week long were saying, expectations were so high. But because of the polls tightening so much, I think in some ways the expectations for him rose a little too much. Now she didn't put him away, by any means, but the other two debates, I think you're going to see that whereas last night, he was a little too hot, she was a little too cool, she probably stopped her slide with democrats, lovely democrats and enthusiastic democrats. He didn't lose anybody on his side necessarily, but I don't think either of them expanded their base.
BOLLING: All right, Greg?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: You know -- you know when you're -- I'm like an uncle, so I get invited to when, you know, nieces and nephews who likes soccer games and the expectations are very, very low for those games. Children playing --
GUILFOYLE: You go?
GUTFELD: Yeah. Children playing sports is, it's long and tedious and nothing good ever happens, but you go anyway. That's what this was. That like expectation -- it was like watching children play soccer. He had a strong start, I thought, but he faded. And I think it was because before other -- even in the previous primary debates, he had so many other people there, so that he could be strong and then he could fade back a little bit.
GUTFELD: In a way, it was like me playing soccer. When you were bad, would you just kind of start running around and hide with everybody else so no one could notice. But now when it's one-on-one, you can't do that. So you see --
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: So you see --
GUILFOYLE: I could see you.
GUTFELD: Yeah, so he's -- he didn't have the luxury of kind of like kicking back. But he also had, you know, he also had this disadvantage where he must defend himself against the personal and the business criticisms because he doesn't have the political background. So you can go after her political record, but he has to constantly fend off personal, personal or professional attacks. So that's why I think it's harder for him in a sense to deal with slights because they are not about a professional record. They are about; this is how you think about women. This is how you think about people in general.
BOLLING: All right. We take to each pick to highlight or a low light of the debate and they have us what's going in. In this order, I must kick it off with the lowlight for me in sitting there. I'm watching this debate and Donald Trump, they first go through his tax records and Lester Holt, who said he wasn't -- I believe he said he wasn't going to fact-check the candidates. Fact-checked Donald Trump on his taxes, then he fact-checked him four separate times after that. That was fine, but I will tell you, when it came to Hillary Clinton saying this and he failed to fact-check it. It really drives me crazy. Watch.
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TRUMP: In New York City, stop-and-frisk, we had 2,200 murders, and stop- and-frisk brought it down to 500 murders. And it was continued on by Mayor Bloomberg and it was terminated by our current mayor. But stop-and-frisk had a tremendous impact on the safety of New York City; tremendous beyond belief. So when you say it has no impact, it really did. It had a very, very big impact.
CLINTON: Well, it's also fair to say, if we're going to talk about mayors, that under the current mayor, crime has continued to drop, including murders. So there is --
TRUMP: Oh, you're wrong. You're wrong.
CLINTON: No, I'm not.
TRUMP: Murders are up. All right, you check.
CLINTON: New York --
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BOLLING: And at that moment I remember because I said, she's wrong, and the people around me look at me like you, "Shh, he can't say that because she is wrong." Take a look. Here's the number, "Wall Street Journal" that comes right from the FBI, 2014, 333 to -- that's when Mayor de Blasio took off as 2015, the last available number, 352. That number is up 5 percent or so. So she was clearly wrong. Lester Holt had a lot of opportunity to fact-check Donald, and no opportunity or chose not to fact-check Hillary.
WILLIAMS: I don't think that's right, Eric.
BOLLING: It is right. That's the number.
WILLIAMS: I don't that's true.
GUTFELD: I think -- but I think --
BOLLING: It's the FBI number.
GUTFELD: I think it's down --
BOLLING: Handed by the "Wall Street Journal" --
GUTFELD: It's going down.
GUTFELD: It's on a rate right now that's going down in 2016.
WILLIAMS: Yes. It was going down.
BOLLING: The year is not in --
WILLIAMS: And it's lower than.
BOLLING: The year is not the book (ph). What she said was .
BOLLING: . under .
BOLLING: . Bill de Blasio, the murder rate, includes -- the rate of crime is going down .
GUTFELD: I don't know --
BOLLING: . including murder, and that is --
WILLIAMS: I don't think that's right.
GUTFELD: I talk to police officer.
WILLIAMS: Oh, yes.
GUTFELD: It's crazy.
WILLIAMS: I don't think that was right.
BOLLING: Take it off with the "Wall Street Journal" and the FBI --
GUTFELD: I took it off with .
BOLLING: Some --
GUTFELD: . the New York police officer, last night.
BOLLING: OK. All right.
BOLLING: So maybe they --
GUILFOYLE: Well, you got arrested again?
GUILFOYLE: Shopter (ph).
BOLLING: At any case, he didn't check her on it and he was -- there was some questionable fact-checking on the Trump side. So K.G., you're next.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I got one and I wrote about it last night. This is, again, Trump versus Clinton. It's about judgment and where he had an opportunity. One of the few that he took to kind of hit and bring up the whole thing about 30 years, it seemed at least from social media, that that did seemed to get some pick-up and generate some enthusiasm and buzz with people. So take a listen to this.
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CLINTON: We can deploy a half a billion more solar panels. We can have enough clean energy to power every home. We can build a new modern, electric grid. That's a lot of jobs. That's a lot of new economic activity.
TRUMP: And Hillary, I'd just ask you this. You've been doing this for 30 years. Why are you just thinking about these solutions right now? For 30 years you've been doing it, and now you just starting to think of solutions. I will bring --
CLINTON: Well, actually that's --
TRUMP: Excuse me. I will bring back jobs. You can't bring back jobs.
CLINTON: Well, actually, I have thought about this quite a bit.
TRUMP: Yeah, for 30 years.
CLINTON: That I have -- well, not quite that long.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: Anyway, so that was a moment that you kind of felt that he had some momentum and perhaps, maybe even a line or kind of a little bit of a job that he had rehearsed or thought about and remembered to point out. And so I think it shows that that can really effective when you have that in like your toolbox to make a point because it's few and far between when you get the opportunity in a situation like that. Dana.
PERINO: I'm going to comment on that for her, on her behalf because Salena Zito, the "New York Post" sat with some people, undecided voters in Youngstown, Pennsylvania last night. And so that comment came, that one that you chose in the first 20 minutes of the debate, which people largely think that was where he was really on a good track .
PERINO: . and then faded away from there. But one of the things that they said -- now, that's said, these poll numbers could go up after this. Who knows? But I do think in Pennsylvania, these undecided voters were persuaded by that because one of the people said, "By the end of the debate, Clinton never said a thing to me that she could relate to me or my family or my community, that the policies she talked about tonight either, ultimately either will hurt me or they will ignore me." And so, that be -- he has the benefit of being the out-party candidate .
PERINO: . and he took it at the very beginning. That 30 years I thought was really great and it might actually works for him in, at least in Youngstown, Pennsylvania. GUILFOYLE: I heard you say that last night.
PERINO: Oh, thank you.
BOLLING: All right.
GUILFOYLE: Our party candidate.
PERINO: Kimberly never sleeps.
BOLLING: You're a mom (ph).
GUILFOYLE: No, I really don't.
PERINO: I chose something that you might not have seen anywhere else because -- I thought that would be fun.
PERINO: It was this moment when Clinton talked about the financial crisis.
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CLINTON: Let's stop for a second. Remember where we were eight years ago, we had the worst financial crisis, the great recession, the worst since the 1930s. That was, in large part, because of tax policies that slashed taxes on the wealthy, failed to invest in the middle class, took their eyes off of the Wall Street and created a perfect storm. In fact, Donald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis. He said, back in 2006, "Gee, I hope it does collapse because then I can go in and buy some and make some money." Well, it did collapse.
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PERINO: All right. So the reason I bring up that moment is both -- it is incorrect -- it's not right. She's incorrect. We're going to talk about missed opportunity a little bit. He missed one, especially because -- no, there is actually nobody in Washington who would say that the financial crisis or housing crisis was caused by tax cuts. You might disagree with the tax cuts, but that wasn't the reason why. An d so, it was mystifying to me why somebody with so much experience, as 30 years in Washington would have said that because it really is something that either Lester Holt or Donald Trump could have come back on.
WILLIAMS: I don't think that was the point. I think the point was, he was rooting for the housing collapse and said he could make money of that.
PERINO: But in her sentence she said that the tax cuts led to those things.
WILLIAMS: No, she said that whole -- she said a color of perfect storm which was deregulations, tax cuts --
PERINO: Regulations of the tax cuts which is what --
WILLIAMS: That is all that better.
PERINO: Now she's very good at narrow-casting to the people that she needs to turn who turn out to her debate.
PERINO: People in Bernie Sanders world, yeah, they believe the tax cuts lead to that, but that is actually not true.
WILLIAMS: You know what struck me (inaudible) was that --
GUILFOYLE: Yes, the false narrative.
WILLIAMS: That he said he was smart not to pay taxes and I was likes, whoa!
GUTFELD: You know, what though, that's taken -- OK. That thing, it takes me up a little bit because people, you know, people pay, he pays his taxes. You know, he pays, if he has a paycheck he pays like -- it's about you doing it wisely. You know, everybody tries to --
BOLLING: Yeah. Who wants to pay more taxes than you have, absolutely have to.
GUTFELD: Yeah. Generally, you end up paying what you pay. He's just trying to do it wisely. It's kind of like, he meant it like you have an accountant, people have accountants, but --
GUILFOYLE: It's on the laws of the book.
GUTFELD: Yeah. I -- one more sports message -- metaphor, I think Trump sees this as a three-day golf tournament.
GUTFELD: And this was the first day, the first 18 holes, but there's another 36 to go. So I think he did -- I thought last night, I sense that he was taking a lay of the course and feeling the competition. He's treating it like a dry run.
GUTFELD: I kind of --
BOLLING: See how she acts and reacts.
GUTFELD: Yeah, because there's two more, there's two more days left in the tournament.
WILLIAMS: There's only one first debate, brother.
GUILFOYLE: What if --
GUTFELD: Yeah, but there's --
BOLLING: Yeah, yeah.
GUTFELD: There's the last one .
BOLLING: We have --
GUTFELD: .. they will remember.
BOLLING: . two more sound bites we have Juan, and Greg's coming up right after the break. Stay tuned. We're going to get to Juan and Greg's, like I just said, after the debate, after the commercial, I'm sorry. We'll be right back.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Back now at last night's debate and our takeaways from it. We've been playing some of the moments that stood out to all of us. Juan, you're up next, and Greg will have an opportunity.
GUTFELD: Oh, thank you.
WILLIAMS: So, you know, and let's forget for want I thought. Let's go to Twitter accounts and see what exactly got the highest reaction from people who were watching the debate last night and it has to do with this comment from Donald Trump.
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CLINTON: Take clean energy. Some country is going to be the clean energy superpower of the 21st century. Donald thinks that climate change is a hoax, perpetrated by the Chinese. I think it's real.
TRUMP: I did not.
CLINTON: I think science is real.
TRUMP: I do not say that.
CLINTON: And I think it's important.
TRUMP: I do not say that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAMS: Well, uh-oh. Guess what, he had said that and he said it in writing. Here it is. It says, "The concept of global warming was created, and, by the Chinese" --
PERINO: By and for the Chinese.
WILLIAMS: "By and for the Chinese in order to make the U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." Oh, my goodness. Well, it looks like he got called out on that one.
PERINO: A part of the fun of all of this is watching how much you can get away with, right? Because, there are questions about fact-checking, et cetera. She obviously been into that, but actually my second low light, my second choice, was the next thing she said after that when she talked about all of the -- basically, there was going to be a rainbow in every pot based on her energy policy because everything was going to be clean, everything will be fun which is, a unicorn ride to the moon and not accurate and not something that --
WILLIAMS: Well, the other one, the other one that caught my attention was when he said that business about Miss Universe, Alicia Machado. And then this morning he came on "Fox & Friends" and just double-down and said, "You know what, she got fat." I mean --
PERINO: Yeah, that was not good.
GUTFELD: I wonder who's giving him that advice.
GUTFELD: What's next?
GUILFOYLE: Ah-- do you have something?
GUTFELD: Oh, yeah.
GUILFOYLE: Corporate or --
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TRUMP: But perhaps we'll be talking about that later. So many hundreds and hundreds of companies are doing this. Our country is in deep trouble. They're the best the best ever at it. It's a defective agreement. Why hasn't she made the agreements better? Is that OK? Good.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: This is actually a high-energy breathing exercise, a form of meditation that business men do to kind of keep their thoughts in check. And I find it interesting, we are so obsessed with her health and then he has the sniffles.
GUILFOYLE: I know.
GUTFELD: But it was his natural -- he enjoys breathing, and I think the podium smelled so good.
PERINO: I think it would be funny if she handed him a tissue.
GUTFELD: Yes, I do.
GUILFOYLE: Is that what it is? Feels like a room --
GUTFELD: Sniffle-gate. All right.
GUILFOYLE: A room therapy coming to the microphone.
WILLIAMS: I thought his mic wasn't working.
BOLLING: No, can I be honest with you?
BOLLING: And I, I mentioned this morning that (inaudible) is like, don't go there Bolling, it sounds a conspiracy. In that hall --
GUILFOYLE: Here he goes.
BOLLING: For the first seven --
GUTFELD: So --
BOLLING: When she spoke, it was a very loud. You can hear it, you resonate it to the hall. When he spoke, it was, it was almost -- he couldn't, almost couldn't hear him. Now we were sitting --
PERINO: But he still that won, the first 20 minutes?
BOLLING: No. But it is --I can see actually how it might be disconcerting. If you're not being heard at all, maybe you're thinking is anyone hearing me? Who knows -- I have no idea. But that part is history. He didn't make that part up. I'll just -- been sitting I'll tell you that much --
GUTFELD: Speaking of technical stuff .
GUTFELD: . I know that they've used the split screen before in previous debates, but they've used it, they used it almost constantly last night. And I can't figure out if it's good or bad because I felt like it was the Muppets and you had like --
GUTFELD: . somebody the two old guys watching you all, watch -- it was like Mystery Science Theater. Somebody's --
GUILFOYLE: Oh, there you are.
GUTFELD: But it was the -- like he had -- you know what it is, is at, at times his face is just more interesting than her words. So she'll be talking but it will be, you're looking at his face change and it's kind of --
PERINO: But --
GUTFELD: It's hypnotic.
PERINO: But we were -- but for -- the week leading up to it we told everybody to --
PERINO: . watch the nonverbal.
BOLLING: You use, I won't, I won't --
PERINO: So if they hadn't been on --
PERINO: Then people might have --
GUTFELD: The face cam.
BOLLING: I want to do the opposite. I would take the opposite side and do exactly what we're doing right there. No volume. And if I were the Trump campaign, just watch nine -- you sit there for 95 or a hundred minutes, however long they are on, and to say, I don't think I like myself doing that right there. And forget -- look, when you are in a group, a big group that loves you or your followers, you can do things like that .
BOLLING: . and you get a positive reaction from that facial stuff.
GUILFOYLE: That - yeah.
BOLLING: And some of the --
GUILFOYLE: You know what something else I noticed?
GUILFOYLE: She was taking (inaudible) like something, but the idea was like very drawn out and, but it was kind of smart because it ran out the clock a little bit and she was making her statements and taking her time and I'm not .
PERINO: Going to be rushed.
GUILFOYLE: . going to be rushed.
WILLIAMS: You know what I worry about though, Eric, I don't think he takes any pride in preparing. I think he takes pride in the idea that he comes and does it --
BOLLING: Can I be honest?
BOLLING: I think he could have prepared more. There were times you get two minutes to answer a question.
BOLLING: There were times for me it looked like he was done in about a minute, a minute and a half. And at 30 --
BOLLING: Thirty seconds more. But turn it, make it stay, you know, I've answered the question .
BOLLING: . and I want to go back to my --
BOLLING: I created this many jobs.
BOLLING: That is prep.
GUILFOYLE: Maybe they just do the (inaudible).
WILLIAMS: Maybe it's stamina, stamina, huh? Who had the stamina last night, Eric?
GUILFOYLE: We got the stamina here at the table, I tell you what.
GUILFOYLE: Is that bad? Was that bad?
GUTFELD: No, it was actually --
GUTFELD: I don't think anybody --
GUILFOYLE: It's true.
GUTFELD: . anybody mind it.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Trump's well known for his fierce and ferocious counterpunch, but Greg thinks he's got one now. He thinks he like Clinton off easy last night. He's gonna explain why. Take note, it's next.
GUTFELD: You know when you're watching "Monday Night Football" and you're yelling at the TV for the quarterback to hit the open man, but he keeps running the ball and you're left with a fourth down punt. That was me last night yelling at Trump, who failed to connect on a golden, repeated opportunity: the emails.
Example: When the topic of cyber-security arose, Trump simply agreed with his nemesis that it was important. When he should have said, "How can you take advice on cyber-security from someone who kept a server in her bathroom?"
GUTFELD: Or when birtherism came up, he could have said, "Who cares? By the way, didn't Mr. Obama use a pseudonym when emailing you on your private server?"
And when asked about your tax returns, why not say "My accountant pleads the Fifth -- just like Cheryl Mills did over your private server!"
See? Every response should lead back to that scandal. Instead, the less prepared Donald gave her a pass on the thing that relentlessly exposes her as unworthy of America's trust. People don't trust her. So you need to remind them that she's as trustworthy with our secrets as her husband is with strippers. But Trump, missing a succulent opportunity, just won't let you root for him.
No wonder Hillary was grinning like Chairman Mao on ecstasy.
GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.
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CLINTON: Did anybody see that debate last night?
CLINTON: Oh, yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: Oh, no. Maybe next time, Donald.
You know, Kimberly, he did say that -- here's a SOT of him complaining -- sound on tape, I'm sorry. Jargon. Of Donald Trump critical of Lester Holt for not bringing up the e-mails.
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TRUMP (via phone): He didn't ask her about the e-mails at all. He didn't ask her about her scandals. He didn't ask her about the Benghazi deal that she destroyed. He didn't ask her about a lot of things that she should have been asked about. I mean, there's no question about it.
STEVE DOOCY, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS": Why do you think -- why do you think that is?
TRUMP: He should have questioned her about her foundation.
Why? I don't know. I mean, you know, I didn't think he did a bad job.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: He could have -- the thing is, if Mr. Holt didn't bring it up, Mr. Trump could have, right? You know, he's not shy.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, God helps those who help themselves.
GUTFELD: That's the word.
GUILFOYLE: That was...
GUILFOYLE: OK. Glad that worked for you.
PERINO: He just had his epiphany.
GUTFELD: Oh, my goodness. Now it all makes sense.
PERINO: Your wife's going to be so happy.
GUTFELD: Officer (ph).
GUILFOYLE: Again, you've got to take those opportunities.
And listen, we've heard how many times, like, at the public speaking opportunities, all of the Trump rallies where he smashes it, right? He just leaves, like, nothing uncovered. He just goes after her with, like, a tenacity and a focus, and he just brings it all on.
I feel there that he was more trying to be, you know, professional.
GUILFOYLE: Do the debate in the format he was supposed to be, make sure that he wasn't in any way insulting to her, and make sure that he came off as presidential.
GUILFOYLE: But also, at the same time, you don't want to waste those opportunities top hit it and hit it hard and do a pivot if you've got a question, and then bring in something that's on your list in your mind, the five things you've got to make sure, that before that night is over, you have hit her on Benghazi, you have hit her hard the way you want to on e- mails and just turn it.
BOLLING: And -- and can I dovetail on that? And that comes with experience. Right? I mean, when you have 17 or 15, or 12, or 5 people on the stage, you don't necessarily have to work it in that way.
GUTFELD: Right, right.
BOLLING: You can weigh -- you can lay back, figure it out, but you have to be able to do it...
GUILFOYLE: Kind of like "The Five."
BOLLING: ... do it on the fly and do it fast. Right?
But also, when you have a moderator who asks questions like your tax returns, questions like the birth certificate issue and questions like what you've said about Mrs. Clinton's looks, and then leaves off things like the Clinton Foundation or Benghazi or your health or your husband's...
GUTFELD: Deplorables. Deplorables.
BOLLING: ... philandering or deplorables, and never gets to those, it's a little hard. You spend a lot of time defending and not a lot of time on offense.
GUTFELD: Well, I mean, it's a good point in the sense that, if somebody reminds you of something, you will say it; and so she's reminded.
GUTFELD: She's reminded, "Oh, I can say this."
But he, like, deplorables, e-mails, Clinton Foundation, those are fat pitches for him.
PERINO: Well, two -- I think she missed something, and he missed something. And I also -- let me tell you about deplorables. I think the reason that he didn't bring it up is that, in this weird election that we have, apparently, based on that Wall Street Journal/NBC poll from last week, deplorables actually stuck to him worse...
PERINO: ... than it did her, so trodding over that ground probably was not the best thing. So I think maybe they decided that's not the thing they want to talk about.
He missed an opportunity, a big one, and Republicans everywhere are missing it. It's Obamacare.
GUTFELD: Oh, yes.
PERINO: The death spiral has begun across the country. I mean, that -- that hits the middle class.
She could have brought up Trump University, and she didn't. So everybody has...
GUTFELD: You know, she didn't bring it up, because she -- then he could have brought up the Clinton Foundation.
PERINO: And then she's like "CGI." It's like, "Well, what about your charitable giving?"
BOLLING: That would have been great.
PERINO: And then cancel each other out.
GUTFELD: Yes, yes. Exactly.
PERINO: The race to the bottom. Someone's going to win it.
WILLIAMS: At one point, she said to him, in terms of that birther stuff...
WILLIAMS: ... that this is a man who has practiced racism, right? And she said it twice. And I've never seen a white politician on such a major stage say to another politician, "You have been practicing racist behavior" and going after. And then when he tried to get out and say, "Well, you know, I got him to produce it. I actually helped the president, because I got the president to produce his birth certificate." I was like, what is this?
BOLLING: What he should have gone, "You know what real racism, Mrs. Clinton..."
WILLIAMS: He could have come back.
BOLLING: "... is 1992 Crime Bill which ended up incarcerating more African-Americans than ever."
WILLIAMS: Well, he could have.
PERINO: He did land that on her.
WILLIAMS: But he didn't respond to the charge of racism.
BOLLING: That was the time to do it.
WILLIAMS: Well, it could have been. But something -- but he never responded to it. In fact, when he was asked about, you know, how you heal racial tensions in society, he said, "Nothing. I can't do anything about it."
GUTFELD: You know what? I have to give him credit. That took serious stones to say, like, bringing up the birther issue helped President Obama. That's like a guy...
WILLIAMS: That's unbelievable.
GUTFELD: That's like a guy running over your dog and going, "You know what? Just think about how much money you're going to save on pet food."
GUTFELD: I'm not against running over dogs, by the way.
BOLLING: For. In favor.
GUTFELD: I'm in favor -- I'm not in favor.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: I'm not in favor.
GUILFOYLE: The heat is on you now.
Anyway, don't go away. If you leave now, you're going to miss the one and only Brit Hume. He's going to join us for more debate analysis, next.
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CLINTON: He can run his campaign and present himself however he chooses, but the real point is about temperament and fitness and qualification to hold the most important, hardest job in the world. And I think people saw last night some very clear differences between us.
BRIAN KILMEADE, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS": What grade would you give yourself?
TRUMP (via phone): Well, I don't like to grade myself, but I know I did -- I know I did better than Hillary, and every poll has shown.
I thought she was very bad in the first half when they were asking normal questions; and when they were asking unfair questions, she got better.
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PERINO: Clinton and Trump both feeling confident about their performances last night. We'd like to hear what Brit Hume thinks and, guess what? The "On the Record" host is here in New York, and he joins us now.
BRIT HUME, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Hi, Dana.
PERINO: So this is not your first rodeo when you're looking at, like, the first presidential debate.
PERINO: How important is the first 48 hours after a debate for each of the campaigns, to shape it?
HUME: Well, what -- what can happen in the first 48 hours is that what people thought about the debate, if they watched it, can change as people hear what others say about it and they see certain things replayed over and over again that they might not have thought were that important when they first saw them. So opinion does shift over time. Not always, but often it does. So the first 48 hours can be very, very important.
PERINO: Something that Eric said, because he was in the room last night. And he said the thing -- when you're in the room it was different than when he left to see what was on TV and what people picked up on.
BOLLING: It was shocking. Shocking, the difference.
GUILFOYLE: He didn't hear the sniffing.
BOLLING: The question I have is, do you have any advice for the candidate taking a victory lap after one debate? I mean, you saw the laugh that Greg played in his monologue. They seem to be very confident. Should she be this confident, Mrs. Clinton?
HUME: You mean Mrs. Clinton? Well, one of the things that -- if you have a strong debate performance, and there's, you know, data to back it up, there's only one scientific poll. And the scientific poll is taken in the immediate aftermath of the debate are not that reliable anyway. But the one that was done scientifically suggests that the most people thought she won.
So it builds the morale of your supporters and gives your campaign a lift, may help fundraising, if you -- if you think you've won, to go out and say you've won.
But as to the outcome of the next debate...
BOLLING: Can you imagine, though, the method she did? "I won" and then that laugh, that roaring laugh?
BOLLING: How about a little understatement? "Hey, we won."
PERINO: Remember, Romney was up six points after the first debate in 2012, as well.
Juan, do you have a question for Brit?
WILLIAMS: Well, I'm sitting next to you last night with Miss Dana Perino. And the next thing I know -- I totally missed it -- but apparently, all the media websites went after you. What happened?
HUME: Oh, well, I was commenting on the candidates' demeanor, which is what you evaluate as a political journalist when you're watching a debate. And I said Trump looked uncomfortable and out of sorts and I've forgotten what else. And I said Hillary Clinton looked composed, smug some of the time, and not necessarily attractive. Talking about demeanor here. This is what we -- what we judge.
Well, the -- a lot of people on -- on the Internet took that as an attack on her looks, so they mounted this massive tweet storm attacking -- guess what? -- my looks.
BOLLING: They didn't have much to work it.
HUME: Yes, with my looks. Well, they thought they did, and they just -- some of it, I'm going to have some of it on the program later.
GUILFOYLE: And that's not what you meant at all.
HUME: I was just talking about demeanor.
HUME: Look, we're not yet living in a society where a female candidate's demeanor cannot be criticized. We're just not there yet. But at the rate we're going, we may get there.
WILLIAMS: You know one thing that struck me afterward, Brit? When I hear from people who were Trump supporters, they say, "Oh, Trump did fine." I'm like, how can that be? I don't -- I mean -- but then you hear from people who are Clinton supporters. They are ebullient, obviously. But I'm just struck by the bubble aspect of modern politics. It's like people don't want to hear anything that they disagree with.
HUME: The history of these presidential debates have been that we watch them and assess them and weigh it, but most people come out of watching a debate with the same sentiment about the candidates they had going in.
HUME: That's been true forever.
HUME: So what you -- what you look for is sort of people at the margins who -- who really don't have a strong favorite. And there are more of those this year than usual at this stage. And certainly, a debate like last night's and the ones still to come can make a difference for those people. And obviously what you're working on.
GUTFELD: A sports metaphor: Denver Broncos playing the Oakland Raiders. The Oakland Raiders win. It's not like all of a sudden Denver Bronco fans go, "Well, now I'm an Oakland Raider fan." You just -- if you're a fan, you just stick by your team.
GUTFELD: That's how it works.
HUME: That's not what this -- this days, the election is not about the fans. They're going to vote for who they're going to vote for.
HUME: The election is about those that are still persuadable.
PERINO: All right. Kimberly, last question.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. Where do -- where do the two candidates go from here? I mean, if you were to advise, based on all your years of experience of covering all these elections and debates, what do you think the advisers should be telling Trump at this point, and what do you think they should be telling Hillary?
HUME: Well, I think they should -- if I were advising Hillary, I'd say, "You did mostly the right things. You didn't -- you didn't get harsh in your presentation, right, and you didn't make the mistakes that sometimes you've made. So remember that the next time out. Your preparation helped you, so don't fail to do it again."
With Trump I'd say, "Mr. Trump, you need to be humble enough to recognize that you didn't have your best night. And you've got it in you to recover and be sure you do. Perhaps prepare a little more. Think through lines of attack. Think of the opportunities you missed, and then when they come again, make sure you don't miss them." And I think there were a number of missed opportunities last night.
And the other thing is this, it's you can gripe about moderators. None of them is ever perfect. I thought Lester Holt did a perfectly competent job. Nothing that Lester Holt did or did not do would be enough to keep a well- prepared, able debater from making the points that he or she wanted to make.
PERINO: Right. Greg, you actually get the last question.
GUTFELD: Well, he -- when talking about hacking, he said most of the hacking is, like, a 400-pound guy sitting in a basement. Is it right to attack the very obese? It's a big voting bloc.
HUME: What he seemed to be saying was that some of those people are really good hackers.
GUTFELD: Yes, that's true. Well, it's actually a compliment.
HUME: There you go.
GUTFELD: There you go. They're like athletes, on computers.
BOLLING: I love those sports metaphors.
GUILFOYLE: You said a big voting base.
GUTFELD: I know.
PERINO: All right.
GUTFELD: Big block.
PERINO: Thank you, Brit. It was nice to have you.
Join him at 7 p.m. Eastern for more post-debate analysis. That's "On the Record" tonight.
Final takeaways from last night's debate, that will be next.
WILLIAMS: A few minutes left and a few final thoughts on Trump versus Clinton, round one.
So one of the things you look for is what are the pundits saying. And so I was very interested in hearing what Republican pundits had to say.
Bill Kristol said he's not sure Hillary Clinton won, but he's sure that Donald Trump lost and choked. And how about Jonah Goldberg in National Review, Dana, saying that white women not reassured by what Trump did last night.
PERINO: Well, maybe I should let Eric go first, because he's very frustrated, because there are actually Republicans...
BOLLING: All right. You picked Republican -- the "never Trumpers."
PERINO: Conservatives. How about conservatives?
BOLLING: You picked "never Trumpers."
Can I just say, on the corollary to that is Michael Moore said that Trump won. Figure that out.
WILLIAMS: What about Giuliani saying, "Maybe not -- maybe no more debates unless they change the rules"?
PERINO: How about Hugh Hewitt?
BOLLING: What did he say?
BOLLING: He's sort of a "never Trumper," too. He gets...
PERINO: No, he's not. Oh, my gosh! No, he's not.
BOLLING: ... gets in battles with Trump, too.
PERINO: No, he's not. OK.
BOLLING: Didn't Trump say, "I'll never go on your radio show again" with Hewitt? Thought so.
GUTFELD: This is a problem, though. It's -- we're always labeling people. Used to be RINO, right? And then all the conservatives that will never vote for Trump. Now they call everybody "never Trumpers." Please, leave me out of it.
WILLIAMS: But the serious issue is...
GUILFOYLE: Want me to help you out here?
WILLIAMS: OK, yes. Go ahead, you have a good thought.
PERINO: Go, go.
WILLIAMS: The serious point I wondered is after -- we know who's basically undecided here. And Trump is trying to consolidate that Republican base, Kimberly, trying to get Republicans who might be a little uncomfortable to come back over.
WILLIAMS: Did he succeed last night?
GUILFOYLE: I think, you know, it's steps, but more can be done, of course. I mean, there's always more that needs to be done and a better case, an argument to be made until you're actually in the oval, right?
GUILFOYLE: I mean, that's what winning looks like.
So but what I think, if you're trying to get after, you know, women and independents, I did like when he talked about, you know, women -- women care about security. Talk about national security.
Talk about how Hillary Clinton is tethered to Barack Obama, his failed policies, whether it comes to Obamacare, whether it comes to the fact that she will not also utter the words "radical Islamic terrorism."
Talk about that piece and some of the things that have been failed foreign policy that resulted in things like Benghazi and the Arab Spring and making America and international community less safe. I think that's a very strong point...
GUILFOYLE: ... and how she's untrustworthy to be commander in chief. And hit her hard on the e-mails.
WILLIAMS: Greg, so Hillary's target audience, trying to excite millennials. Did she succeed?
GUTFELD: I don't know if she excited anybody, frankly. I think the big loser was me.
GUTFELD: I ate five soft tacos.
WILLIAMS: Oh, no.
PERINO: But they want you to tease. No?
WILLIAMS: Go ahead. Make your quick point.
PERINO: OK. Don't you want to say something else besides having tacos?
GUTFELD: I'm tired of hearing myself.
PERINO: OK. One more -- you brought up Hillary Clinton and talking to millennials. So one of the things I think Donald Trump continues to try to do is to win that primary over and over again. He's got those people, those 40 million. They are his. They are a lock. He's actually got up to pick up almost 90 percent of Republicans who are -- come home. That is solid, that's great.
GUILFOYLE: Get them out.
PERINO: What she did, she was very specific, especially in talking about race and birtherism. She's talking specifically to African-Americans. If a million fewer African-Americans turn out to vote for her than did for Barack Obama, she's got a huge problem.
WILLIAMS: She spoke to them.
PERINO: She was speaking to them.
And then for him, I think he could talk more to seniors in particular.
She also could go after more white college-educated. Republicans have traditionally done very well with them. She could shave that off. For the Democrats' future, that's actually really good for them.
But he is bringing home to Republicans conservative Democrats...
PERINO: ... that used to be with the party.
WILLIAMS: I don't think attacking women, Miss Universe, was very smart in going after that woman vote.
"One More Thing," up next.
BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing." K.G.'s up first.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Thank you so much. I'm really excited about this "One More Thing." It really, I think, just symbolizes people who get involved in the country and heroism, and a woman jumping in there and saving a young girl.
So in East Hollywood, a crossing guard by the name of Adrienne Young was finishing up work last week when she saw woman trying to abduct an 8-year- old girl in front of the school. So she jumped into action, grabbed the little girl's arm, freed her from the woman's grasp.
And she said, "I kind of went into mother mode at the time. And as a crossing guard, because I couldn't see myself letting this little girl be taken."
GUILFOYLE: The suspect -- this is what I love -- later caught, charged with attempted kidnapping.
So this is fantastic. And she was honored for her heroism at an event held by Los Angeles City council members. So good for you. God bless you.
PERINO: Good for her.
BOLLING: Very good. All right, Greg, you're up.
GUTFELD: Speaking of heroes...
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GUTFELD: Greg's Fantastic Amazing Heroes of the Universe 2016 News.
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GUILFOYLE: Oh, wow.
GUTFELD: Mike McMillan, good Samaritan. Check it out. He finds a skunk with a coke habit. Skunk has a real problem. He can't get enough of it.
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(SKUNK WITH HEAD STUCK IN COKE CAN; MAN PULLS CAN OFF HIS HEAD)
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GUTFELD: And what does Mike do? He's a skunk whisperer. He gets over there. He's talking to the skunk. He's helping the poor guy. He knows he could get sprayed in any moment.
PERINO: Oh, so sad.
GUTFELD: At any moment. And then he frees the skunk. And what does the skunk do? He runs back off to his den to do more Coke. He's got a problem.
BOLLING: He does have a problem.
GUILFOYLE: That's a problem.
BOLLING: All right. Dana, you're up.
PERINO: OK, I got something everyone's going to love. An entrepreneur from Chicago, something you're going to love, because you could ride this for six miles. It's called the Moto Bag. OK, this is a suitcase that you can sit on.
PERINO: And it goes for several -- five miles before coming to a stop, OK? USB ports and a battery pack. It takes about an hour to get it all charged up. And this was based on something they have -- they have these little things for kids. But now it's motorized.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
PERINO: This is, like, revolutionary. And it costs...
GUTFELD: Is that a man or woman?
PERINO: I don't know. It costs...
GUILFOYLE: That's mean.
PERINO: ... $695. To be shipped in January 2017. Who doesn't want to buy this for Christmas?
GUTFELD: Is that a man bun?
GUILFOYLE: ... five for Greg.
BOLLING: They're going to sell.
WILLIAMS: All right. Very touching moment at the Marlins stadium in Miami last night. Over the weekend, as you know, their star pitcher, Jose Fernandez, killed in a boating accident.
GUILFOYLE: God bless them.
WILLIAMS: I saw that 24-year-old pitch just about a week ago when he shut down my favorite team. I admire him, because you know what? He escaped a Latin dictator before coming to this country.
WILLIAMS: So it's heartbreaking to know that he died so young with so much promise. And last night's game, the teammates wore his uniform, all gathered around the mound, rubbing the dirt with their hands just like Fernandez did. And it was a tearful tribute. They left their hats on the mound. And Dee Gordon said, "If you don't believe in God, you better start." That happened today.
GUILFOYLE: Aww. God bless his family.
BOLLING: And how about this guy right here? Hit his first home run ever.
WILLIAMS: After that. That was Dee Gordon.
BOLLING: Dee Gordon.
And there's no time for my pictures. Hit his first home run ever in honor of the fallen player.
WILLIAMS: Yes, in fact, he switched. He batted left.
GUILFOYLE: And we pray for his little baby girl who's not born yet.
BOLLING: Got to leave it right from there. Set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" coming up next.
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