Candidates' health in focus on campaign trail

Clinton allies urge her to stop being secretive; Trump shares summary of physical exam with Dr. Oz


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 14, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert. Hello, everyone.
I'm Dana Perino. We have big breaking news tonight. Hillary Clinton has
finally released her medical records while home recovering from pneumonia.
It comes hours after Trump revealed his results of his latest physical.
Let's go live to Fox News Jennifer Griffin near Clinton's home in New York.
Jennifer, this is a bit of a surprise, but I'm sure you have the latest for

several letters, including medical information not just about Hillary
Clinton and her recent pneumonia diagnosis, but also of her running mate
Tim Kaine, a comprehensive letter from his doctor. Here is what we know
about her pneumonia. It's described by her doctor, Dr. Lisa Bardack of
Mount Kisco of, in saying that she was given a non-contrast CT scan of her
chest on Friday. And this is what they found, quote, "the results of the CT
scan revealed a small right middle lobe pneumonia. This was a mild, non-
contagious bacterial pneumonia." Secretary Clinton was treated with an
antibiotic called Levaquin, which she was advised to take for 10 days. Her
other current medications include Armour Thyroid, Coumadin, a blood center,
Levaquin for 10 days, Clarinex for allergies, as well as B-12 as needed.
Her vaccinations are up to date. She has had a normal mammogram and breast
ultrasound. Cholesterol is normal, her vital signs, blood pressure of
100/70, heart rate of 70; all around very normal. According to Dr. Bardack,
quote, "The remainder of her complete physical exam was normal and she has
an excellent mental condition. She continues to remain healthy and fit to
serve as president of the United States." That, from Dr. Lisa Bardack who
examined, to we understand Hillary Clinton, as recently as today she saw
her last Friday, as well as on Sunday at her home here in Chappaqua, Dana.

PERINO: All right. Thank you so much, Jennifer. Appreciate it. Clinton's
latest health episode is only raised more concerns about her penchant for
secrecy; 50 percent, get that, 50 percent. Half of the Americans think the
secretary misled them on her health. According to a new poll, even her
allies, they, she should've just told the truth and stop keeping secrets.


ROSS SORKIN, CNBC "SQUAWK BOX" CO-ANCHOR: Should she have done so?

should have and I frankly think she ought to release a full medical report
to make sure that the people understand that she is fully able to carry out
the duties of president of the United States.

DAVID AXELROD, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Her vulnerability is not health, it's
stealth. And what she did in trying to, I think navigate through questions
about her health; she created more questions on the other side, which is
really a greater vulnerability.


PERINO: All right Kimberly. So there we have it, I just said she's alive.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yes. She is alive. I told Juan,
because I want to reassure my friend and it's like, look, she has the
pulse, because Juan was like, hold the death certificate if you get it.
Obviously, you want her to be in good health. You don't want to wish ill on
anybody. You want her to be able to compete and do the debates and run for
the presidency. The problem is with so many people have highlighted the
fact -- with the e-mails destruction, all of these things going to great
lengths to cover and to conceal. So it doesn't in-store, like inspire any
kind of faith in her about her credibility, about her ability to lead and
make good decisions when all of this is going on, which is distracting from
whether or not she is capable and qualified to be president of the United
States. So, maybe this is going to help her in the polls and it'll kind of
put away some of the ideas about her vulnerability and her physical
capacity to be able to serve.

PERINO: It helps.

GUILFOYLE: Let's see.

PERINO: So as a former editor of "Men's Health" would you please evaluate
the doctor's .


PERINO: . medical evaluation?


GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah. I mean, look, the only person who
had a worse week than Hillary was her double. And the good news is -- I
mean good news, it was non-contagious, so the good news for the child that
she hugged --

PERINO: There goes -- I got cross that one off the --

GUTFELD: Well, she was just about to join the X-men, so --


GUTFELD: Because you know --


GUTFELD: Anyway, how do we know it's really her? I'm just wondering, it
could be David Spade in his best role or it could still be somebody else.
I'm, I'm not ready. I don't --

PERINO: Are you submitting physical?

GUTFELD: I don't accept this at all. I don't accept any disrupt --


GUTFELD: No, I go back to my one thing.

GUILFOYLE: It's Chelsea's physical.

GUTFELD: Something --

GUILFOYLE: There you go.

GUTFELD: It should be the independent person .


GUTFELD: . that is appointed by whomever that does both candidates or,
three candidates, or however many there are, and you keep the stuff secret
and you keep secret. But to release the heart and the lungs in circulation
-- and what's left? Heart, lungs -- do I leave anything else?

PERINO: The brain.


GUTFELD: The brain is --


GUTFELD: Hello, yes. There you go.

BOLLING: (inaudible).

GUTFELD: The last -- but do you really need a healthy person?

GUILFOYLE: What? Juan.



PERINO: So that's the thing. She does -- she is, she is taking some


PERINO: I mean, thank goodness, we have good medical care.

GUILFOYLE: This comes from a sickly guy with a unicorn cup.

PERINO: Eric, she's been -- I think the accusation is she's protective of
her personal information, but she's been reckless with federal government
information and classified information. That's a frustration.

BOLLING: Let's take -- and I think weighing on what Kimberly said, not only
did the campaign hide this and the campaign went ahead and bypassed the
emergency room when they knew she had pneumonia -- with that I think it's a
big thing. And Bill Clinton today saying, "ha, ha, ha," you're laughing it
off, it does in everyone. Why is everyone making such a big deal about a
flu?" Well, it wasn't the flu. It was pneumonia. Now we see the x-ray.
Thank you for showing this x-ray. That's good news. So I think that
eliminates another one of the conspiracy theories out there. But let me ask
you this -- Levaquin, I get it. You want to get rid of pneumonia. OK, fine.
Move on. Why Coumadin? Coumadin is a very, very powerful blood thinner.
Extremely powerful blood thinner, a lot of people with A-fib -- this is
true. You can laugh this off --

PERINO: My mom is on it.




WILLIAMS: So many people take Coumadin. Coumadin is not that an exotic

BOLLING: But you know what it's for? --


BOLLING: It's not like (inaudible), you just weak .

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, God.

BOLLING: . your cholesterol, right?

WILLIAMS: Oh my, God.

BOLLING: What a Coumadin --

GUILFOYLE: You are talking pharmaceuticals.

BOLLING: No, no, no.

WILLIAMS: What's going on here?

BOLLING: Coumadin is used a lot of times to people who have theory of A-fib
to prevent stroke. I mean there's a reason to prescribe Coumadin.


GUTFELD: Eric, I want to say --

BOLLING: I don't know.

PERINO: Why the B-12?

GUTFELD: I have this weird (inaudible) .


GUTFELD: . right around here I have -- can I have you look at it later?


WILLIAMS: You know what, you know what?


GUILFOYLE: You're filling in for (inaudible) office hours .

WILLIAMS: Let me just --

GUILFOYLE: ... after the show.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say .

BOLLING: We'll see.

WILLIAMS: . after listening to Eric, if I'm laughing in 4 1/2 hours, I
should seek immediate medical attention.


GUILFOYLE: Oh my goodness.

BOLLING: You should seek it anyway.


PERINO: Now Coumadin is a medicine that my mom had .


PERINO: . when she had --

WILLIAMS: It's very ordinary.

PERINO: But I think -- but she they are about the same age, so I don't -- I
don't mean, why did I bring that up?

GUILFOYLE: Why you just --

PERINO: Sorry, mom.


GUILFOYLE: You only did it for mom, Dana.


PERINO: I'm just trying to think that --

GUILFOYLE: Well, Dana, your mom.

PERINO: I know.

BOLLING: There are a lot --

PERINO: Hi, mom. I will see you tomorrow.

BOLLING: There are a lot of less intense --


BOLLING: . medicines used for high cholesterol, thin blood, whatever, but
this, this is strong. Listen, I have many, many friends and family who have
been on Coumadin. You hold an arm tightly, they will bruise. It may just --
it's very strong. That's all -- I'm just asking, is there -- do they go
through the reasons for each one of these medications?

PERINO: I do not have that in detail. I do not. This is her current
medications. Juan, will democrats think that this is enough?

WILLIAMS: Right now, the push all around democrats is, get the information
out and get it out right now. They think that there is a bleeding to
continue our medical analogies, and that it's hurting her. So they think
that really to stop the bleeding, get out as much information as you can,
as quickly as you can and benefit from the contrast to Donald Trump, who
said he was going to put out information and then pulled back. But also,
remember that she put out extensive review back in -- I think it's .

PERINO: February.

WILLIAMS: . June or May of 2015?


WILLIAMS: And he has never put out. And that the letter from Dr. Bornstein,
or whatever the guys name, who was a gastroenterologist was treated as, oh,
that's just funny, that's just Donald Trump. But you can see in the polls
that you said Dana, that the American people see this as feeding into a
narrative about Hillary Clinton not being trustworthy.

PERINO: Right.

WILLIAMS: And that's the damage. I mean it's really not about health. It's
about character.

PERINO: Right. And Donald Trump, as you mentioned today, revealed the
results of his recent physical exam during an interview with Dr. Oz.


MEHMET OZ, "THE DR. OZ SHOW" HOST: If your health is as strong as it seems
from your review of systems, why not share your medical records? Why not
release --

problem in doing it. I have it right here. I mean, I -- should I do it? I
don't care. Should I do it?


TRUMP: No problem. It's two letters, one is the report and the other is
from Lenox Hill Hospital .

OZ: May I see them?

TRUMP: . saying -- yes, sure.

OZ: So these are, these are the reports -- these problems --

TRUMP: Those were all the tests that were just done last week.


PERINO: All right, so within 24 hours, we're all going to have all the
information that we are probably going to get on the health of the
candidates. Good enough for you?

GUTFELD: Well, I mean, I think it's great that went on Dr. Oz. Amazing. He
used the same doctor who wrote the note. It's like having your spouse do
your job review. You need to have -- again, I will go back. It's important
to have somebody objective. But also, I have to admit, I see why this is
kind of -- everybody has something to hide. If you are like --


GUTFELD: If you are my age and you don't have a colorful medical history,
then you haven't lived.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, gosh.

GUTFELD: So I, I think that you have, again, an in-depth exam. You release
only the heart, the brain and the lungs. But I also wonder -- and I said
this yesterday. What will America accept? I mean, what happens if you have
a mood disorder or if you were treated for substance abuse or maybe you had
an STD? Wow -- I mean are those things that will keep you from being
elected? We have to see.

PERINO: Or how many people would that prevent, Kimberly, from .


PERINO: . wanting to run in the first place?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean then we --

PERINO: You had to reveal all this information.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I mean, maybe. But if you had good
health, yeah, he was not, not have any hesitation to it. And you could also
if you had a lot of bad things wrong with you, like Greg, he knows he can
get a job working in television. That's a problem.

GUTFELD: That's so true, barely working.

PERINO: It's actually a job requirement.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, exactly, a lot of issues. Yeah.


PERINO: Happy with the .

GUILFOYLE: We're aware of them every day.

PERINO: . Trump-OZ report, Bolling?

BOLLING: You know it what's amazing was all the news networks were sitting
outside of the studio, poll -- and talking to people who would just watch,
because they wanted any nugget information.


PERINO: And it does airs until tomorrow?

BOLLING: It turns out Donald Trump has declared he is a very healthy man.




PERINO: And now, if everyone is healthy, Juan, can we get back to the

WILLIAMS: Well, I would hope so. But I think that it's, you know -- the
funny -- it's just a strange story about health care. I mean, clearly, the
woman got sick. That's about it. If there's something interesting about
releasing information, as Greg was talking about, it has to do with female
issues. I mean, how much .


WILLIAMS: . personal stuff? We talked about this yesterday.



PERINO: That there is, I think there is a case to me and certainly women's
groups are going to make that case.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, that's very different. I mean that kind o f stuff --

PERINO: Right. When you have your mammogram and your other --

WILLIAMS: Oh my, gosh.


WILLIAMS: People get upset .

BOLLING: You can't --

WILLIAMS: . walking through TSA .

BOLLING: You can't .

WILLIAMS: . magnetized.

BOLLING: . hide the fact that there have been several occasions where she's
fainted, passed out .

WILLIAMS: I'm not --

BOLLING: . out cold.

WILLIAMS: Nobody is trying to hide anything.

BOLLING: And it's more than -- I would guess, more than the general
population by a, by a bunch.


BOLLING: And that matters if you are going to elect someone to be your next

WILLIAMS: Say that again.

BOLLING: The fact that they have fainting episodes and falls, and blacking
out and can't remembers. I mean --

WILLIAMS: Oh got there.

BOLLING: This --

WILLIAMS: I think you're going --

BOLLING: Look --

PERINO: She did invite this on herself.


WILLIAMS: I think she's too --

PERINO: It turns when she said --

WILLIAMS: Too private.

PERINO: When she told the FBI 40 times, she couldn't remember.

WILLIAMS: Now look, that where she invited this on herself was on Friday,
when she told her aides, this is not a big deal. We don't have to play into
the Trump thing about -- I've got health problems by telling them I got
have pneumonia. She grinds it out. She does the national security meeting,
the press conferences. My hat is off to her, because she was sick. But then
it really came back to smack her in the face, and it has hurt her and
that's why there's this rush to get the information out today.

PERINO: I think they are smart. Everybody get it out on the same day and we
can move on to other important issues. Trump is reaching out to minorities
and women on the campaign trail. He made a stop in Flint, Michigan today
and unveiled his proposal to make childcare more affordable, yesterday.
Will his outreach work? We're going to debate that up next.


BOLLING: Welcome back. Donald Trump is stepping up his outreach to women
and minorities in America. Last night, he unveiled his proposals to make
childcare more affordable for working families. And today, he visited
Flint, Michigan, a city still grappling with the water contamination
crisis. It has a large African-American population and voters, and here's
what the GOP nominee said to some of them earlier today.


TRUMP: Flint's pain is the result of so many different failures. The damage
can be corrected and it can be corrected by people that know what they're
doing. Unfortunately, the people that caused this tremendous problem had no
clue. But it will be fixed quickly and effectively and Flint will come
back. Most importantly, we will bring jobs back to Flint.


BOLLING: OK, Juan, your thoughts on Trump visiting an important state for
him, Michigan.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, I said he was going to visit some time ago, it's just two
months ago. I'm glad to see that he went. I'd - I'm trying to make
political sense of it Eric, you know, like so, what's he thinking? How does
this work? And I'm just not sure that -- clear numbers, I guess the clear
impact would be -- can he hold down Hillary Clinton's margins with black
voters, with Latino voters? Can he make an impression on a number of
republicans who are maybe uncomfortable with him on the bigotry issue by
saying, you know what, I see Donald Trump making an effort, and as a
result, I'm getting more comfortable with him. So it's not directed at the
minority communities. Don't be fooled by the pictures, it's directed at --
and I suspect specifically, republican women, college-educated women, who
have some lingering doubts about whether they want this --

BOLLING: . compassion, empathy in the candidate? That's what it?



WILLIAMS: You have to -- yeah, but you have to go beyond that, because
remember, he has been somewhat boisterous and even offensive in his

BOLLING: KG, he is doing better than a couple of other republican
candidates over the past election cycles with the African-Americans, even
though the left would tell you it's not happening, but it actually, it is.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean something like this, you know, especially Juan, I
think it should be, you know, embraced. This is the right thing to do
regardless of what, you know, which constituency you are trying to appeal
to. Sometimes it's just the right thing to do, to care about people, to be
present, to go to all of these different locations, and he has been
consistent in doing that. And I think really making more of an effort
recently to do that. Do outreach, whether it's flood victims or whether
it's this horrible story of the water supply being so tainted there and
needing some specific attention and focus. That's what you want a president
to do. You want somebody that's going to literally get on the plane and get
boots on the ground to talk to people, to see what's going on, to show that
he cares and he's capable. That, I think he has been very consistent. So I
think this is a positive thing. I don't see any negative in it at all.

BOLLING: Yeah, in 50 some days left until the election. He --


BOLLING: -- 54 days until the election.


BOLLING: Your time is valuable.


BOLLING: Is it time well spent?

PERINO: I think so. For partly for with the reason that Juan mentioned,
which is to national news, and so this going to get a lot of a play. I
think Michigan, kind of a tough state for him to try to win. But if you can
hold down African-American turnout in Cleveland or Cincinnati or
Philadelphia, that might help you going forward. So, yeah, I think a day
well spent for him.

BOLLING: Greg, your thoughts? I think he is polling around 8, 9 percent
with African-Americans or so?


BOLLING: But that's, that's higher than --

WILLIAMS: It's about 15 with Latinos.

BOLLING: Well, with Latinos, but African-Americans still in the single
digits .


BOLLING: Yet still higher than Romney or McCain.

GUTFELD: Why would just compare -- I would just compare not to them, but to
Hillary, who, last week, you know, was went divisive and talked about the
deplorables. So here, you have him reaching out while she is basically
slapping away.


BOLLING: Let's talk about this last night. Trump rolled out his proposal to
make childcare more affordable for working families, among them, rewriting
the tax code to allow working parents to deduct childcare spending from
their taxes, creating special new dependent care savings accounts and
allowing mothers six weeks of paid maternity leave. His daughter Ivanka
helped him craft some of the policies. She appeared with him at the event
in Pennsylvania.


IVANKA TRUMP, DAUGHTER OF DONALD TRUMP: Having employed and empowered,
thousands of women at every level of his company throughout his entire
career, my father understands the needs of the modern workforce. And it's
offering a new and innovative solution where others have not. Raising
children full-time is one of the hardest jobs anyone can do and it's
essential that our policies recognize and honor that reality.

TRUMP: We need working mothers to be fairly compensated for their work, and
have access to affordable, quality childcare for their kids. We want higher
pay, better wages and a growing economy for everyone. These solutions must
update laws passed more than a half a century ago when most women were
still not in the labor force.


BOLLING: All right, KG, working mom -- your thoughts on this.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean, this, this is as I thought one of the most
significant points of the convention when Ivanka got up and talked about
these issues. You know as a mother, she cares about this. It's probably
something that she tried to get her father's ear (ph) on to talk about. Now
she's also showing leadership coming forward in this direction. I think
it's important. It's not necessarily, you know, widely accepted platform
issue, you know, for the republicans. It's -- this is an area that needs to
be addressed whether you are a republican or democrat. So I like the vision
and her passion that she's showing to try to put this forward. Is it going
to resonate and tie in for her father? That's the idea.

BOLLING: Dana, I'm not sure the pay for was there for my liking, but it
could cost a lot of money, right?

PERINO: Well, I think that there's two ways to split it and I'm -- if I
could recommend this article by Reihan Salam, it's called, "The GOP is in
an Ideological Civil War." And that the family (inaudible) at Donald Trump
report, last night approves it. I think it's in Salam. The reason I like it
is that he quotes Abby McCloskey, who is a really astounding --outstanding
conservative economist who, about 18 months ago, started talking about how
republicans could, actually -- you could find a way to at least the paid
maternity leave part, in a way that is consistent with conservative
philosophy and a way that won't break the budget. The childcare point, I
think that's a separate. But on the maternity -- paid maternity leave, this
is something that I think the republicans could figure out away to get
right on. And they could figure out early on in this next Congress,
separated out from the childcare thing and actually go forward with the
plan like this. The thing that's interesting to me and the reason there of
this ideological problem is that, 18 months ago, if you supported Abby's
idea as a republican, you were called names, right? Then, when Donald Trump
puts it out last night, all of a sudden people who were calling people like
meme names, say it's a brilliant plan. That is frustrating. I think that if
you think it's a brilliant plan, understand why it's a brilliant plan,
there are really good conservative reasons to actually support it. And I
just commend the article to you or Abby McCloskey's work, she's on Twitter
and elsewhere.


WILLIAMS: Can I just interrupt, because I want to pick up on something Dana
said? Dana, there's a piece here I'm looking at in "Commentary," now the
conservative publications, now Rossman titled Trump's reckless spending
spree, and quote, "The latest pander to voters that also sacrifices core
conservative principals." So last night, I'm on O'Reilly. O'Reilly says,
"This looks like he is trying to out-democrat, the democrats." Krauthammer
says the same thing.

PERINO: I know, but there is a way -- I'm just saying the conservatives,
that there is a way do this in a way this consistent with your philosophy.

WILLIAMS: And also that we're trying --

BOLLING: And now that they are worried about pay for it.

BOLLING: No, no, no. I'm not -- I'm saying, I'm saying --


WILLIAMS: I -- well, first of all, his pay for is not said. Hillary Clinton
who put out a plan more than a year ago on this very issue said, she raise
tax on rich, so I know you would object to that., but that's at least
honest and straightforward.

BOLLING: Are you suggesting, I'm not honest and straightforward?

WILLIAMS: No, no, no, that I think --


WILLIAMS: She -- you know, and not you.

BOLLING: Greg, do you want to take this part of the pay for it part or
what, what is the strategy here? You know --

GUTFELD: I want --

BOLLING: . get the minority communities, he said.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's definitely if it is the --

BOLLING: The women's vote last night.

GUTFELD: This is pure, absolute pandering. You know Ronald Reagan once
said; it was like the worst nine words you could hear, "I'm with the
government and I'm here to help." Now, under Trump, that's become the
republican motto.


GUTFELD: This is actually an Obama victory. After eight years of
progressivism, so-called conservatives are embracing big government. This
is an entitlement. This is an entitlement, a paid maternity leave. How is
that different than Obamacare? It really is. If you can't beat him, join
him. The Republican Party, the concept of limited government is no longer
appealing to people who have become used to big government. And the
policies are being written or pushed by a democrat. Ivanka is a democrat.
The Republican Party is now being run by democrats.

BOLLING: Can I just throw an alternate .


BOLLING: . explanation for what this is all about.


BOLLING: With Hillary Clinton digging the hole she's digging.


BOLLING: Just stepping aside and going, I'm going to deal with these
issues, this is important to certain part of my base, to a certain part by
following. Let her keep digging, I'm not going to take the shovel for her.

GUTFELD: I think, I think that, you know what? This, this might be wise.
Maybe it's time. Maybe the small government is over.


GUTFELD: And you know you can win on big government -- do it, the
conservatives embracing entitlements, that's like liberals advocating one
stop shopping for AR-15's.


BOLLING: We will leave it right there on that note.


BOLLING: Coming up, Colin Powell becomes the latest victim of hacking. The
former secretary of state's private e-mail messages published for the world
to read, it's part of a disturbing trend this presidential election have
had all throughout. Our take on it, next. The details coming right up.


GUTFELD: Former Secretary of State Colin Powell's emails were hacked by DCLeaks, which may be tied to Russian intel. There's juicy stuff in there and I'm sure many will dive right in. All in the name of transparency, right?

But as this happens the medical files of our prized U.S. Olympic athletes were posted online by Russian hackers. Hooray about that too! Those kids had it coming! After all, if one leak's so awesome, why can't the other be?

Are some hacks heroic and others evil? What does it say, when you embrace one hack because it hurts someone, but not another? Doesn't that make you a hack, too?

Ever the hero, Julian Assange has released some of his medical records, as if to say, "If I'm fine with exposing my personal life, why shouldn't you?" Of course, these records were released by him, so he controlled the flow of info. That's no hack. Instead, Julian, why not let your worst enemy have at the privileged info between you and your lawyer on the rape charge? That's brave.

It's so inspiring to see conservatives lauding a man who jeopardized our security, a man such righties previously wanted in jail. But when leaks hurt the other side, all bets -- and principles -- are off. It's selfish, deliberate moral blindness that comes with team sport politics.

So drool with glee over scoop after scoop of exposed linen, feeding that proverbial crocodile, hoping it will eat you last. And when it does, I'll bring the condiments.


GUILFOYLE: Spicy mustard?

GUTFELD: If you enjoy going through Colin Powell's e-mail, do you -- would
you still be happy going through Jennifer Lawrence's naked pictures? Or an
Olympian's medical records? How are they different? They were stolen.

GUILFOYLE: Well, right, versus someone who voluntarily says their medical


GUILFOYLE: ... like the candidates running.


GUILFOYLE: And they're interested saying an interest in transparency but
not in deceit, where someone will go and hack somebody's personal

Look, I'm not for the hacking, but nevertheless, now it is out there. So
then there is a discussion to be had in terms of political analysis of how
it may or may not impact, which is also separate and distinct from a more
moral, you know, discussion to say, is this the right thing? Is this the
right thing ethically? Then should news organizations put this information
forward because of that? You know, the hypocrisy of it.

So these are the interesting questions that it raises. But it's like
multiple levels.

GUTFELD: Eric, I'm thinking long-term on this, that at some point, FNC,
where we work, will be hacked. And all those e-mails we sent back and
forth, stuff I say about Juan...

BOLLING: And me.

GUTFELD: Yes. We will -- we'll all have to sit here awkwardly, while CNN
and MSNBC go, "And then Eric Bolling said this."

BOLLING: Let's just open all our e-mails. Just get it over with. Right

PERINO: Like stop e-mailing all together.

BOLLING: Well, that's -- you certainly have to reconsider every single e-
mail you send here -- to forward.

GUILFOYLE: Greg's at 2 a.m. are my favorite.

BOLLING: The difference between the hack and the Ed Snowden idea of "I'm
exposing what the NSA is doing," I think there's a very big difference
between the two. I agree, everyone is going to get burned eventually by
the hacking. All -- every single e-mail is going to get exposed. We're
going to have to, you know, back and fill everything.

But when Ed Snowden points out that something is going on that affects
every American that may be unconstitutional, I think that's a very
different thing. I know I'm going to get beat up again on the social media
sites. But I agree, he needed to expose that. So for Ed Snowden asking to
come back, asking President Obama for a pardon, I would be in favor of
something like that.


BOLLING: I know. It's not popular. It's not a popular stance, but...

GUILFOYLE: You're going to bring that up again?

PERINO: No, it actually is popular. It is popular.

BOLLING: It's the right thing to do.

PERINO: I disagree with that. But I do think it is very popular. I think
that's the pressure.

GUTFELD: It can be popular and wrong.

GUILFOYLE: But why should -- why should...


GUTFELD: Much like the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

GUILFOYLE: But he's going to be -- exactly, there you go. Let's start
that up again.

Why should he then be rewarded for violating protocol and putting national
security interests at risk.

BOLLING: I think NSA was violating the ultimate protocol of the

GUILFOYLE: Well, that's a -- that's a different ideology from what we're

WILLIAMS: Right, so I think you have a good point, by the way. I think
you have a legitimate point. It has changed my mind. Because remember, we
went from the Patriot Act to the Freedom Act in large part in reaction to
people saying, "You know what? This is government, big government creeping
in on us."

But what's going on now -- I mean, this kind of -- Russia getting involved.
I mean, everybody thinks that these latest hacks of Colin Powell's e-mails
are Russia. Russia trying to influence our election. Russia trying to

And this D.C. Leaks thing, it's just -- it's tawdry. It's very ugly. And
it reminds you then, of course, from my perspective, what about Hillary
Clinton and her e-mails? Well, you think, oh...

GUTFELD: But those weren't hacked. Those weren't...

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. People -- but you, all of a sudden, we're going to
see what you wrote in your e-mails, and we're going to see if that then
builds a case against you. And in the case of what we learned from the e-
mails today with Colin Powell -- I know you don't want to talk about it --
but it seems to me everybody is talking about it.

GUTFELD: Yes. That's because we like that stuff.

WILLIAMS: I mean, it's out there now. It's like what happened to Sony.

GUTFELD: OK. If there are naked pictures of Jennifer Lawrence, "I've got
to look at them. They're out there. Oh, they're out there. Oh, my
goodness. This is terrible."

GUILFOYLE: No, but Greg, that doesn't affect the U.S. presidential
election. And a lot of the problem is, the stuff that's in the Colin
Powell e-mails reflects the narrative that's been going on and the
discussion and questions about...

GUTFELD: Doesn't excuse it.

GUILFOYLE: I didn't say it excused it. That's a different debate.

GUTFELD: Right. But you're still going to use it, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: I'm not. I'm telling you the electorate is hearing it...

GUTFELD: You make me sick.

GUILFOYLE: ... and then November 8, perhaps it impacts.

BOLLING: But there has to be some sort of consistency. Right?

GUILFOYLE: He's talking about her health. He's talking about Bill
Clinton. Yes, he's talking about the fact that they have a loose
relationship with the truth, that they're not honest, the Clintons.

WILLIAMS: I think what he said...

GUILFOYLE: It's a problem.

WILLIAMS: ... you've got a political donor...

BOLLING: Yes, that, too.

WILLIAMS: ... a guy who's a loser, right?


WILLIAMS: He bet on the wrong candidate. And he's now writing to Powell,
trying to ingratiate himself with the powerful Powell.

BOLLING: Did you hear what he said, though?

WILLIAMS: He said Obama and Clinton -- Clinton hates Obama. Then he

GUTFELD: Stop. Stop, Juan.

WILLIAMS: He says Trump is a national disgrace.

GUTFELD: All right. I'm right now -- I'm releasing my medical records so
you don't have to hack me. This is from my doctor. (HOLDS UP SIGN)


GUTFELD: Yes, it says "Doctor."

GUILFOYLE: "Doctor," with no last name. Is that from Dr. Siegel?

GUTFELD: Maybe. I don't know.

Coming up, there are consequence to deception. Katie Couric and filmmakers
of her documentary "Under the Gun" may now have to pay for the
misrepresentation. Details next.


GUILFOYLE: Back in May, we told you about that anti-gun documentary hosted
and executive-produced by Katie Couric. They deceptively edited it to make
gun rights activists look stumped on a question about background checks.


KATIE COURIC, JOURNALIST: If there are no background checks for gun
purchasers, how do you prevent felons or terrorists from purchasing a gun?


GUILFOYLE: Luckily, those Second Amendment supporters recorded the
interview themselves and proved that they answered Couric's question
immediately. Take a look.


COURIC: How do you prevent felons or terrorists from walking into, say, a
license gun dealer and purchasing a gun?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, one, if you're not in jail, you should still have
your basic rights and you should be able to buy a gun.

COURIC: So if you're a terrorist or a felon?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you're a felon and you've done time, you should have
your rights.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The fact is, we do have statutes, both at the federal
and state level, that prohibit classes of people from being in possession
of firearms.


GUILFOYLE: That's what actually happened. Now, at first Couric defended
the grossly misleading edit in "Under the Gun" but later apologized for it.

But now she's facing even more trouble, because yesterday the Virginia gun
rights group featured in this film sued Couric and the makers of "Under the
Gun" for defamation. They are asking for $12 million for being made to
look like fools who didn't stand up for the Second Amendment.

All right, Dana, so this is a story now that we kind of predicted was going
to go forward in terms of these groups saying, "We're going to sue because
of what happened." This film went everywhere, and it was misleading
because that's not what happened. They gave a response right away.

PERINO: Yes, I'm glad that they went forward. And what -- what Katie
Couric's company or the company that made the film said it was artistic
license, but it was really political license. And so they're -- it's good
to see there are consequences for this type of editing.

The other thing is that they're just on the wrong side of public opinion.
Doesn't mean that they're wrong in their opinion in terms of Katie Couric.
But the recent Pew poll that just came out said that 70 percent of
Americans prefer to preserve gun rights over gun control. So that's a
pretty high number.


PERINO: And I think that I understand what Katie Couric's team was trying
to do. But they got caught.

GUILFOYLE: All right. So what's the fallout from this, Bolling?

BOLLING: I don't know how Katie Couric is on the hook for this. I
understand when you sue everyone, you sue everyone you possibly can, and
then you see what you can get. Look, I think she's a fantastic journalist.

I wish she hadn't defended the group until she had all the facts.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: And we saw what was -- what actually happened -- you know, the
unedited versions. But I don't think she should be on the hook for this.
The production company, if anyone is, could be. But boy, if that's going
to be the case, I mean, we have -- everyone at this table has a lawsuit
against MSNBC that we can open up for selective editing. Ninety percent of
the stuff that they say we say...


BOLLING: ... that we've never said or cutting out the context of what we
say. I have a hunch...

GUILFOYLE: Media Matters.

BOLLING: ... and I agree with Dana, though. I like the fact that they're
calling attention to it. I just don't know if they're going to win any
lawsuits with it.

WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, the whole question is definition. Who's defamed
here? I think that you could say, "You were made to look silly. You were
not properly represented. But were you -- did you suffer some injury?" I
don't think so.

I mean, so that -- to me, that's a weak thing, especially -- I mean, I'm
big on journalistic rights and privileges and protections. First Amendment

PERINO: Interesting.

WILLIAMS: So I would have to say, I think this is a weak case, done for
political reasons, which is you have people who don't like the idea that
Katie Couric says she wants to be a voice for the victims of gun violence.


GUTFELD: This is why if you always are going to do a TV show, have a
friend come along and, in the green room, record it with an iPhone so
whenever anything is edited out, it's there.

And also, you know, imagine -- use the mirror test. Imagine if FNC had
done something like this with Black Lives Matter, how big that would be.
But thank God, we at FOX News, we don't do any selective editing.

I mean, just the other way, I was in Lou Dobbs' hot tub. And -- anyway, it
was one hell of a kielbasa.

BOLLING: ... big buns?

GUTFELD: Yes. Yes, we had a huge barbecue. A huge barbecue.


GUTFELD: A huge barbecue.

GUILFOYLE: This happens on "Special Report."

PERINO: Aren't you glad we told you to go to him last?



GUILFOYLE: It's a setup.

Next, an exciting segment for Juan. He's going to celebrate President
Obama's economy. The rest of us aren't so sure what there is to be
celebrating. But we're interested to hear what he has to say. Back in a


WILLIAMS: The economy is back. And you know who we can thank?


WILLIAMS: We can thank President Obama. That's right. I know my
colleagues here at the table don't like to give him credit. But it seems
to me he deserves it. Even he knows what a remarkable job he's done.



economy. We helped our auto industry set new records. Our business has
created 15 million new jobs. Slashed our dependence on foreign oil.

More Americans are working. More have health insurance. Incomes are
rising. Poverty is falling.


OBAMA: And yes, gas is $2 a gallon. I didn't even -- thank you for
reminding me. Thanks, Obama.


GUILFOYLE: My goodness.

WILLIAMS: So there he was playing on...

GUILFOYLE: Look at Bolling's face. He can't take it.

WILLIAMS: ... you know, my assistant, Emily Shear had to remind me.

BOLLING: Can he pat himself on the back any more than that?

WILLIAMS: No, no, no, just saying...

BOLLING: It's like planting some lady in the audience to say $2 gas right
in the middle of his speech?

WILLIAMS: Let's -- I was going to explain to you, though, that that "Thank
you, Obama" is something conservatives -- like, if anything goes wrong,
"Thank you, Obama."

GUTFELD: We -- I never heard that before.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness.

WILLIAMS: So anyway. What I was going to say was, the Census Bureau said
the income of the typical household up 5.2 percent in '15. First real
increase since '07...

BOLLING: Thanks, Obama.

WILLIAMS: ... the year before the economy went to recession. Also, the
Dow Jones over 18,000. Fifty-five percent of Americans now say their life
is thriving. Forty-eight percent approve of Obama's handling of the

So these numbers seem pretty positive to me, but I defer to wiser minds.
So Dana Perino.

PERINO: I'm not going to -- I don't think you can argue with the numbers.
Right? You can argue with a few things like, for example, labor
participation rate, et cetera.

I just remember September of 2008, those last four months of President
Bush's term were quite different when the economy collapsed. That was not
-- we weren't doing a lot of victory laps.

And I think that he was having fun yesterday. And I love the "Thanks,
Obama" part. I thought he was hilarious.

WILLIAMS: That's pretty funny.

GUILFOYLE: Look, I've got to tell you, his numbers are going up. It's
good for him. He gets to jump in campaign mode. He's a masterful
politician. He knows how to work the crowd.

And when I look at him out there, it -- and I compare it to Hillary Clinton
who is just literally stumbling and falling every step of the way,


GUILFOYLE: ... Greg, you see the difference. He's actually going up in
the polls, because she's also not looking good. Have you thought about
that? It's really -- I think it's actually helped him. And all, like, the
divisiveness over Hillary or Trump, et cetera, et cetera.

And now people are like, "Wow, OK, Obama."

And by the way, it's like the same people that said, you know, "Miss me
now, right?" about W., who are appreciating what he had to do; and his
numbers have gone up since he has left office.

But I don't know. He can pat himself on the back.

WILLIAMS: I'm so pleased to hear you say that.

GUILFOYLE: Well, what? That he's a good politician?

WILLIAMS: No, that -- yes. Because I know -- I'm thrilled.

GUILFOYLE: I think he's a master. He can make, you know, compost and turn
it into gold.

WILLIAMS: Well, by the way, I think this is -- this is good news for the
Democrats. You know, because guess what, Greg? They're going to be able
to say, "The economy is doing better."

GUTFELD: All right.

WILLIAMS: The complaint with the...

GUTFELD: Let's have some reality here. Some reality.

BOLLING: Please.

GUTFELD: He's taking credit for $2 gas. This was an administration that
was advocating higher prices for gasoline to help with the environment.
They were willing to hurt the middle class...


GUTFELD: ... and the lower classes, because -- by making gas more

If he wants to take credit for the gas, then take credit for the dramatic
rise in car deaths that are related to cheap gas. There are more people
driving. There are younger people driving now, because gas is cheap. Why
don't you take credit for that? Take credit for the increased harm on the
environment. Because clearly, if more people are driving and using more
gasoline, they're hurting the environment, too. Take credit for that.

You -- this is a person that has been saying that the climate is the most
important issue on the planet. He's been against fracking. Hasn't he?
Hasn't fracking brought down gas prices?

GUILFOYLE: The enemy of fracking.

GUTFELD: It's natural.

GUILFOYLE: He's against coal, against fracking.

BOLLING: I don't blame you for coming to me last on the economic segment,
especially since I put together this really, really interesting thing for
"Cashed In" that's going to happen on Saturday, which you may be on or not.


BOLLING: You may not want to go on after this.

WILLIAMS: No, I want to hear. I want to hear.

BOLLING: You cited the big 5.2 percent increase from '14 to '15 in wages,
which is the first time it's happened in years. Now, it's still...

WILLIAMS: Since '07.

BOLLING: Stop it, Susan. Wages are still 1.6 below 2007 levels.


BOLLING: The other number you talk about, 1.2 drop in poverty.


BOLLING: Puts us down to a number, 14 percent poverty, elevated by far
still, because we're going off a year, '14 where the poverty rate was over
15 percent.

So taking credit for two things that have happened ignores the fact for a
decade the middle class has been squeezed and destroyed. Destroyed.

I see. So coming back from a debt, from a recession.

BOLLING: It's completely disingenuous to take credit for something good
happening for one year after the last ten years.

GUILFOYLE: And a minority community having...


WILLIAMS: I have to say, we went through a terrible recession, and we have
recovered. And we, as Americans, should be proud.

GUTFELD: It's cyclical!


GUILFOYLE: And 72 -- 72 percent of Americans say the country is going in
the wrong direction.

WILLIAMS: That's true. That's fair. People have complaints. But you've
got to admit: the economy is doing great right now.

GUTFELD: It took eight years.

WILLIAMS: "One More Thing" coming at you.


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Juan.

WILLIAMS: Well, in Washington today, Carla Hayden was sworn in as the 14th
librarian of Congress. Only 14 in all our history.


WILLIAMS: She served as the longtime CEO of Baltimore's library system,
where she kept the libraries open even during the riots last year, because
she said -- guess what? -- these young people need libraries. I agree.

Today was a historic moment because Hayden is the first woman, and most of
the librarians in the country are women. The first woman, also first
African-American. Here is Hayden, talking about the moment.


CARLA HAYDEN, LIBRARIAN OF CONGRESS: As a descendent of people who were
denied the right to read, to now have the opportunity to serve and lead the
institution that is the national symbol of knowledge is a historic moment.


PERINO: Congratulations to her. That's great.

Dana Perino and Company has a new website. Erin Landers, the only employee
of Dana Perino and Company, put it together. I think we have some
pictures. There it is. Of course, Jasper has to make an appearance. But
if you need mentoring advice, if you want to know about working at the
White House or anything else going on in my word, there's a really great
new website. So hope you can check it out.


GUTFELD: All right. It's time for...


GUTFELD: I hate these people!



GUTFELD: People who get to the gym who haven't worked out yet, and they go
into the water fountain and fill up a giant bottle of water while people
like me are sweating and are -- just worked out for an hour and a half and
have to stand by you while you're just there filling up your bottle of
water. Stop it! Fill it up before you get to the gym.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

BOLLING: Maybe they're thirsty at the gym, and...

GUTFELD: No, no. They smell fine.

PERINO: OK, Kimberly, you've got one minute, go.

GUILFOYLE: Just bring Lou Dobbs as your workout buddy. He'll fill the

OK, so this is a world record that was set. Dana, you will like this.

PERINO: Oh, yes, I like this.

GUILFOYLE: The outfield piece at U.S. Cellular Field hosted 1,122 dogs and
their owners last night...


GUILFOYLE; ... during the White Sox game against the Indians. So this
actually set a Guinness World Book of Records at a sporting event. They
had to stay there for a minimum of ten minutes. The outfield clerk, like,
counted it down. It was very cool. The players said, well, they were a
little noisy. Dana.

PERINO: The nationals.

GUILFOYLE: Woof, woof! And then...

PERINO: That Nationals do that. I love it.

Eric, can you do it?

BOLLING: Very quickly, I can do this very quickly. Ford today announced
it's shifting all of its U.S. small car production. Where? To Mexico,
$1.6 billion investment, 2,800 jobs going south of the border. I have one
thing to say. Thanks, Obama.

PERINO: That's it for us. Great ending there. We have, like. eight
seconds left. We could have done a lot more.

GUTFELD: Let's talk about stuff.

PERINO: "Special Report" is next. We'll see you here tomorrow night.

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