Hillary Clinton's trust, transparency questioned after health scare

Because she's so secretive, we know the Democratic presidential nominee very, very well


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 13, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: …and I went to the doctor. Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and a bobby pin is her barbell -- Dana Perino, "The Five."


GUTFELD: We've watched the Hillary video more often than kids watch "Frozen." In this era of rampant transparency, the iPhone sees all; with more angles than a geometry test. You can't get away with it, anymore.

Still, Hillary's lack of transparency creates endless amateur medical sleuthing: She has Parkinson's; she has epilepsy; she's a shape-shifting space lizard (that's my prognosis).

So maybe it's time for mandatory independent physicals for all candidates and it can't be a physical from the doctor who writes your prescriptions. That's like having a mom grade her kid's term paper. It's got to be a third party -- like Bones McCoy.

But there's a drawback to kind of this exam: Will it be harder to get candidates with real pasts to run? Those delightful rogues whose choices left a few marks on their permanent record, if you know what I mean.

But this doesn't explain Hillary's secrecy for she denies certain truths that, for us, are easy to see. No matter what she says, she knew Benghazi wasn't caused by a video; she knows exactly what happened to all those emails; she may not know how to wipe a server, but she knew somebody who does, and she knows precisely how many quids a pro is worth.

Fact is, because she's so secretive, we know her very, very well. We know she'll lie. What we don't know is why. At some point, she had to make a calculation: Is it worth destroying credibility by saying "There's nothing in the emails except baby pics" when we all know it's a lie?

By hiding everything, she reveals everything about herself.

It is interesting, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: That was like a free little psychiatric exam for her.

GUTFELD: But you know, what kind -- like she is the type of person who lies and knows you know that she's lying.

GUILFOYLE: Well, then that's called pathological.


GUILFOYLE: So this is the problem. But so -- but does it matter?

GUTFELD: Well --

GUILFOYLE: Pathological reward is the presidency. I mean, that's what she's hoping on that she can sit there and lie. The people won't care because it's predestined that she's supposed to be the next POTUS. That's the deal. She's counting on that and she said people are supporting Trump, you know, are deplorable and all of this. And so, where do you go from there? People don't seem to matter. The truth should matter; credibility and honesty should matter. She shouldn't have lied about the e-mails and she keeps getting exposed. But, you know, let's see if the clock runs out -- so November 8th.

GUTFELD: Hey Juan, is an objective medical assessment, the answer?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Yeah. I completely buy into that and I think everybody who's been looking at this thinks that it would help everybody in this age when you can, in fact, have reliable information from an established doctor provided, all the kind of medical diagnosis and tests that we have these days with, what I know you hate with all the high-tech stuff. But I mean, you can know it, so I don't see that there's any problem. But I think your monologue raise a real question. A lot of people might not buy into it.


WILLIAMS: Now, I will say this --


WILLIAMS: I will say this. I just thought your mind was off on this mail. I get sick of this e-mail stuff. It just drives -- talk about something that makes me ill is this e-mail stuff.

GUTFELD: And that means I'm hitting something truthful?

WILLIAMS: Well, no. It's just means like much of the right-wing media, you just keep hammering. I mean, you know, the other day they said, oh you know, there are 30 -- so many e-mails that Hillary didn't -- and they come out nothing is in it but compliments from other diplomats. It's just bizarre to me.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Isn't that all fit together, though, Juan? Isn't the e-mails, and the Clinton Foundation, and their lack of transparency on her health records, don't they all just paint the picture of someone who -- number one, forget above the law, but number two, has is completely non-transparent about anything she's done or I think she is -- has done up to here and probably will be even worse going forward if she is the president. If she's willing to hide stuff, lie about her e-mails, lie about her servers, lie about how many devices she used, lie -- possibly lie about what she did with the Clinton Foundation, quid pro quo, how many quid's for a pro? Or how many quid's for a quo? I think maybe a quo. Anyway, but --


BOLLING: But she's unwilling to lie about all this, and then when it comes down to something you can't lie about, your health record. You just can't.


BOLLING: Either you release them or you don't. If she's unwilling to do that, then I think maybe you painted the picture of who she is and maybe there, an independent voter might say .

WILLIAMS: I think it's a --

BOLLING: . I'm born with that.

WILLIAMS: I think there's a lot of media bias here against Hillary Clinton, because .


WILLIAMS: . I just -- I listen to you when I say, are you talking about Donald Trump, who has released no health information? Or you are talking about Hillary Clinton who released it in July of 2015, a comprehensive.

BOLLING: Juan -- and that is a very good argument. However, Donald Trump is not the one who, has fallen over a couple of times, just stumble going up on to his, and broken his elbow. Couldn't testify .


BOLLING: . to a congressional hearing because he couldn't-- he was too dizzy to testify and they had to postpone it. Hillary Clinton has all of those.

WILLIAMS: Oh, oh --

BOLLING: On her records.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I see. And so Donald Trump, who has revealed nothing, you give every consideration. Oh, he must be in perfect -- I don't know. But I will say this -- I think she is the Greta Garbo of politicians.

GUTFELD: Uh-huh.

WILLIAMS: She values her privacy to no end. And she makes the argument. Gee, you, you've seen my tax returns for 40 years. You know my health record completely and you know everything in the e-mail .


WILLIAMS: . to get back to Greg. And yet, everybody on the right says, we don't know her. And this has become a meme in this campaign and then it's pushed up, but not trustworthy number.


WILLIAMS: I just think it's not fair.

BOLLING: And it was in the history there is that she lied and she has --

WILLIAMS: Lied about what?

GUTFELD: Everything. Juan --

BOLLING: Really, Juan.


WILLIAMS: Oh, and Jim Comey.

BOLLING: Juan --

WILLIAMS: And the FBI. Do the FBI see has lied?

GUTFELD: She lied about the video.


GUTFELD: She lied about the video.

BOLLING: She sent two devices. She said she had two --



GUTFELD: Dan, Dana, guess what.


GUTFELD: I have a tape of Hillary speaking to Anderson Cooper. Would you like to listen to it?

PERINO: More than anything.

GUTFELD: I thought so.


HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I just didn't think it was going to be that big a deal. It's just the kind of thing that if it happens to you and you're a busy active person, you keep moving forward. And, you know, I think it's fair to say, Anderson, that people know more about me than almost anyone in public life. They've got 40 years of my tax returns, tens of thousands of e-mails, a detailed medical letter, report, all kinds of personal details. As soon as it became clear, I couldn't power through, we -- you know, we said what was going on.


GUTFELD: So that's interesting -- exactly what Juan says, everybody knows everything about her until -- but only once they have tape of her, then she becomes .

PERINO: And it's, it's unclear why --

GUTFELD: . offensive.

PERINO: I think that over in Brooklyn, at the campaign headquarters, there are just too many cooks in the kitchen. You can imagine them sitting there thinking, OK, she got a diagnosis of pneumonia. So the logical and easy thing to do is you put out a statement that says, ma'am, we're going -- and to tell her that ma'am, it's important for us to disclose this because of all the other things that are being going on, so I'm going to go out there, I'm going to say that you have been diagnosed with treatable pneumonia. You've done x amount of events. It's viral pneumonia, you've been treated for it and take a couple of days off and it wouldn't have been not a big deal, but her instinct or somebody --

GUTFELD: To hide.

PERINO: . instinct was to hide it.

GUTFELD: Hide and lie. Hide or lie?

PERINO: Well, it depends on so -- right. Then you have to get to the question of what the other part (inaudible) that I think is important which is, in today's day and age, when you can have a demand from voters for more transparency, but you have people who are demanding more privacy .


PERINO: . in their own lives. So where does that line .

GUTFELD: So true.

PERINO: . get drawn?

GUTFELD: Uh-huh.

PERINO: And I think that John McCain, when he released 1200 pages of his medical records set a little bit of a standard.


PERINO: And I think that -- or Hillary Clinton's campaign is going to have to release more health records because, partly because of the way they handled this on Friday.

GUILFOYLE: And partly because she doesn't look healthy.


GUILFOYLE: She seems sickly and it's sad, because you know what I keep thinking of? Like if that was my mother or father, I really -- I'm really worried. I want to make sure you're not getting run down. Just like everyone is trying just to push, push, push, because they want her so badly in the White House, it's like, don't you have serious concerns about her health and whether she's doing OK. I mean, isn't it obvious?

BOLLING: Can I add to that? I will bet you 99 percent of the doctors who seen, who watched this whole episode unfold. Now that we know, and (inaudible) said that she is diagnose with pneumonia on Friday. We didn't know that until Sunday, but on Friday.


BOLLING: A doctor has told that a 68-year-old woman passes out, loses consciousness or almost loses consciousness, has pneumonia and has a history of this. How many of them would send that person right to the ER?


BOLLING: I'll bet 99 percent of them would.


BOLLING: They were going to the ER. The protocol for the secret services is to go to the ER. But what did the campaign do? They decided to break protocol .

WILLIAMS: Turn around.

BOLLING: . reroute her to Chelsea Clinton's apartment, instead. Why? Because they just didn't like the optics to go to the Emergency Room.

GUILFOYLE: And then Juan, they had her body double hugged a child.


WILLIAMS: Yes, I know. I know.

GUILFOYLE: And they don't want --

WILLIAMS: It's really terrible.

GUILFOYLE: They don't want other doctors having -- besides her team having access to her medical information and running like a CBC -- yes.

WILLIAMS: I don't believe that.

GUILFOYLE: If she goes in to the ER, you can't control the team.


WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah, but I don't believe that --

GUILFOYLE: You've got other doctors in there .


GUILFOYLE: . and her records will be at the hospital system.

WILLIAMS: I was going to agree with Eric when I say, but Eric, I would say this; I think it was her decision. I don't know that anybody -- and I think it was her decision, Dana, in terms of the campaign people .

PERINO: Right.

WILLIAMS: . who didn't back her. Who didn't like to say, hey, you know, we got --

PERINO: I was stood in front of her and pour gasoline on my head with a --

WILLIAMS: No. Don't do that.

PERINO: With the box of matches and said, you're going to let me put out this statement or I'm lighting a match.


PERINO: That's how get their attention.

WILLIAMS: But you know what, Bill Clinton said .

GUILFOYLE: It's traumatic

WILLIAMS: . in this interview he said, you know, she often gets dehydrated. And there's a lot of gossip today among people who say, you know what, she doesn't like to drink water. I was like, why wouldn't --

PERINO: Unlike Rubio.

WILLIAMS: Why wouldn't she like to drink water?

PERINO: Isn't that an unbelievable conversation we have in 54 days?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but I don't --

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but why? Why wouldn't she like to drink water?

GUTFELD: . hate the water.

GUILFOYLE: I don't like to drink water on --

WILLIAMS: So one of the arguments --

GUTFELD: Why does she hates -- she's wateriest.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah, but --

GUTFELD: It's the ocean.

GUILFOYLE: I don't like drinking water at all.

WILLIAMS: Can I finish the thought?


WILLIAMS: Just a second.


WILLIAMS: The one of the arguments is that Trump really got under her skin when he made this comment about, oh, I know where she was in that debate where she went to the bathroom.


WILLIAMS: . and it's disgusting.



WILLIAMS: You know --


WILLIAMS: And that she is, she gets to -- I mean look, she's a 68-year-old woman. There's nothing wrong with that. She's -- and going to the bathroom all of a sudden now becomes a big deal and evidence of weakness in a very sexist world with the first woman candidate. And I think that, you know what, maybe she's a little embarrassed.

GUTFELD: Yes. It seems men -- we go to the bathroom, but it's always late at night, six or seven times.


GUTFELD: That's what happened.

GUILFOYLE: You look at --

PERINO: It's true.

GUILFOYLE: You look at Bolling?

GUTFELD: It is true.

BOLLING: I think there's .


GUILFOYLE: I don't know what's going on there.

BOLLING: . before that.

GUTFELD: Because there are some -- it might --

BOLLING: Oh, some --

GUTFELD: It might even be advertised on this very network. But you know what, this is --

GUILFOYLE: Oh, (inaudible).

GUTFELD: No, not --

PERINO: If you can imagine .

BOLLING: Or the other.

PERINO: . there's never been a republican -- a woman that has had to release her .


PERINO: . medical/physical.


PERINO: And one of the things on there and we have to -- that's actually a lot of information. If you go back and look at Obama's or Bush's or any other the previous presidents that in the modern day, when you have the physical, (inaudible) Andrews .


PERINO: . or not in Andrews, but at Walter Reed or Bethesda Naval now. When they release out information -- it's a lot of information.


PERINO: It's like your weight -- which I wouldn't want to say.

GUTFELD: Well, OK. Here's a question.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.

GUTFELD: What would the public accept?

GUILFOYLE: This is like --

PERINO: My thought -- I mean it's fine, but like no woman wants to like announce .


PERINO: . what her weight is.

GUTFELD: But, here's a bigger question.

PERINO: To the world?

GUTFELD: Let's say you have the transparency. What would the -- will the public accept treatment for substance abuse? Or a mood disorder medication?

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: That's -- I mean, these are interesting things, it's like --

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: If you found out that somebody had a mental problem in the 1990s, would you be OK with that? I mean --

BOLLING: Well, if you were transparent from the very beginning and say .


BOLLING: . hey listen, this is who I am, and this is what my past looks like. And then there is no surprise. The problem, we have two candidates -- and Juan is right about this, we have two candidates who aren't willing to do that.


BOLLING: You need one hour. But when the questions are so in your face .


BOLLING: . when she's stumbling and she's --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but guess what, she's not going to go to the regular --

BOLLING: Thinking that it's more relevant for her than it is (inaudible) right now.

GUILFOYLE: Unless it's like near death. She's not gonna go to -- if you go to the ER, they are going to run a CBC, Complete Blood Count. They're gonna do a chest x-ray, if they say she was diagnosed .


GUILFOYLE: . with pneumonia on Friday. And there, I mean --

BOLLING: Where is that infection?


BOLLING: Is it in the --


GUILFOYLE: What else will they see?


BOLLING: You put out. You put out every .


BOLLING: . conspiracy theory that's floating around there right now, immediately.


BOLLING: Immediately.

WILLIAMS: So every candidate has to react to every critic --

GUILFOYLE: No, I'm saying something different.


BOLLING: Only you're falling on your face, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Look, I remember when .

BOLLING: Because, God forbid -- you know, she has the --

WILLIAMS: Hey, look --

BOLLING: Of course she is somewhere. She's in Russia or she's in Brazil or China. Do you want the leader of the free world needing help getting into the van and get her fluids?

WILLIAMS: I remember when one of our presidents was throwing up.


WILLIAMS: OK, but it --


WILLIAMS: Oh, I remember when Ronald Reagan .

BOLLING: Once, I read a lot of, I read a lot of list of 12 --

WILLIAMS: Ronald Reagan had to have a --

BOLLING: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven .

WILLIAMS: . piece of the (inaudible) and cut out.

BOLLING: . eight, nine different --

WILLIAMS: Look, I'm telling, let things happened. They are human beings. They're not God.

BOLLING: nine differences and so five.

WILLIAMS: Well, I just don't think they're God. I think they're human beings and I think that you have to stop for a second .

GUTFELD: It is -- OK.

WILLIAMS: . and say, hey, remember FDR in polio?

GUILFOYLE: A Reagan --

GUTFELD: This is why .

GUILFOYLE: Reagan was a God, he --

GUTFELD: . robots as presidents 20, years. It's going to happen.


GUTFELD: Then we don't have to worry about this stuff. That they have no emotions, they just make decisions.

GUILFOYLE: What an interesting show today.

GUTFELD: I know.


GUILFOYLE: So bizarre.

GUTFELD: It when -- when isn't it?


GUTFELD: It's the main --

GUILFOYLE: Where's a bubble suit?

GUTFELD: The mainstream media, helping Clinton downplay her health issues. Of course they are, next.


BOLLING: If you need any more evidence, the mainstream media is in the tank, Juan, for Hillary Clinton. We've got some, yesterday, all three network morning shows help Clinton deflect criticism that she's hiding secrets of other health by claiming both candidates haven't been forthcoming on the subject.


GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC HOST: What do you make of the argument some Clinton supporters put out that she's being held to a double standard? She puts out much more medical information than Donald Trump.

JOHN DICKERSON, "FACE THE NATION" ANCHOR: I think the transparency question with Hillary Clinton, in particular, but both candidates is -- what is their instinct? So when there -- when no one is looking, are they telling the truth? When they get caught, do they tell the truth?

MARK HALPERIN, MSNBC SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: And I think voters are going to look at both candidates and say, "Do we know enough about their stamina to do this job?" Not just Hillary Clinton, but also Donald Trump.


BOLLING: We started this scene .


BOLLING: . in the last block, KG -- the fair assessment that both do, but Hillary is the one who has had the most problems with their health.

GUILFOYLE: Well, this is the thing. I mean, but, again, we'll find out what Donald Trump has to say. I think it is important to be transparent. I think if this was, you know, John McCain, you know, he had to answer questions, people badgered him about his health. There were serious discussions about, was he's going to be OK, to be able to be president? Obviously, the answer is, you know yes. But Hillary has actually has some serious problems. So I think that it only helps her. Right now, having speculation and people talking about it and thinking it 10 different things worse than it actually might be is worse. They dropped the ball. The campaign said that. They should have right away said this and gotten ahead of the story instead of once again cover-up, you know worse than the crime itself or worse than the illness itself. That's the problem.

BOLLING: Juan, we talked about the (inaudible), the 11, the 12, the concussion, the glasses that she had to wear when she was .

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes.

BOLLING: . able testifying in Benghazi, just so she wouldn't get dizzy, the 35 times she couldn't remember. You don't think this is a little bit more of a pressing issue for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump? The health --

WILLIAMS: I don't know. But I mean, I just, I'm listening to you because I'm trying to understand the case you're building. I mean, it seems to me like you said --

BOLLING: The coughing --

WILLIAMS: If you said, oh, why this guy lies so much? I'd say, well, gee, I don't know. I mean, maybe he's got a mental problem or something. Maybe he's -- and they say, oh, are you suggesting that Donald Trump should see a shrink? Oh, maybe. I don't know. A lot of narcissism here, it seems to me. But it's would -- I would argue .


WILLIAMS: . that, you know, you talk about a double standard. Double standard is -- I don't see the left advancing all of these conspiracy theories about -- what do, what do they got the earpiece for, they've got the glasses --


GUILFOYLE: . anti-seizure, the blue glasses.

WILLIAMS: I have to come to ground zero .


WILLIAMS: . because you guys know all the conspiracy theory.

GUILFOYLE: (inaudible) the shocker for the chest.

BOLLING: But, but Dana --

WILLIAMS: Doctor for her?

BOLLING: Wouldn't --

WILLIAMS: I didn't know that.


BOLLING: Wouldn't releasing -- I guess both of the transcripts, the medical transcripts solve -- just that put all these conspiracy theories out of business?

PERINO: I think they are going to have to do something, and her team is not new to this, OK. They've been around a long time. I was remembering in the commercial break about, there was one time when President Bush had like a little spot, maybe on his forehead or right around here, and there was tiny little band-aid that put -- it was like a sun thing. It was just for precautionary measures, and the doctor just whipped it off and here like a tiny little band-aid. Then we walked out on to marine -- on the south lawn, to Marine One, and the press slipped out. And they were so mad at me. Like, how could I not have told them? And I was like -- I didn't even notice it until we got on the helicopter. I didn't know about it. The press is hyperactive about health. The candidates are hyperactive about it, but she has walked herself into this .


PERINO: . problem .


PERINO: . once again.

BOLLING: So, Greg .

GUTFELD: We did think it is hyperactivity.

BOLLING: Greg, is it time to start looking at the vice presidential nominees as potential --


BOLLING: Well, no.


BOLLING: No. It is part of the .


BOLLING: . decision-making on who you gonna vote for?

GUTFELD: Yeah, I think, I think that's always the case. I don't even know like Tim Kaine, I don't know anything about him, except that he likes to play the harmonica.

GUILFOYLE: That's all I know.


GUILFOYLE: Yeah it (inaudible) --

GUTFELD: And that --

GUILFOYLE: And it is very nice.

GUTFELD: And that's considered a medical disorder -- harmonicatitis (ph).


GUTFELD: Anyway, the weakest argument --


GUTFELD: The weakest --

GUILFOYLE: That's the C-block.

GUTFELD: That's the C-block. The weakest argument that the media is making is that, if that is a sexist attack, that concerns -- concerns over health cam as -- is somehow evil if it's about women, but it's OK with men. But if you look at -- going back Gerald Ford, remember the falling -- (inaudible) chase a star, which constantly falling. Reagan's mind, everybody was talking about Reagan's mind -- somebody made a book about it. John McCain .


GUTFELD: . was predicted to die by Matt Damon in "Office." Remember that? So the (inaudible) -- my belief is that the argument that it's sexist to talk about is actually sexist, because you're looking at Hillary like she's a damsel in distress.


GUILFOYLE: I get -- weirdly? Can I -- I think I agree with you, because --


GUILFOYLE: Because I think it is.


GUILFOYLE: People are always -- you can't say anything about Hillary, a sexist. Have you talked about her? I don't think so. I think John McCain got far worse and it --


GUILFOYLE: . stop people being super hyper, over, you know, (inaudible) are over; 41 as well. So this is legitimate question and issue. She's actually helped make it far worse, and her team, you know, whoever -- they know where the blame lies there, but -- then it needed to be and thought just being (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: But let me just say to Greg.


WILLIAMS: So all of this over the fact that the woman had a cold, try to rush through it with her pneumonia, even after the diagnosis and you say, oh, you know what, this means that there's a lot of nastiness and secrets. I just, you know, I think --

BOLLING: Can I just --

WILLIAMS: We can make a lot of money.

GUTFELD: . mosaic of dishonesty, Juan.


GUTFELD: The title of my next book.


GUILFOYLE: What a beautiful tapestry.



BOLLING: She -- they spend a lot of time on these airplanes, too, so there's good, ample of --

PERINO: Remember Candy Crowley gave President Bush, one of the worst colds of the campaign and --

WILLIAMS: She did?

PERINO: Yes, he went back-- kind of like when Hillary Clinton was getting pressure for not giving a press conference to press.



PERINO: He went back to talk to press corps, sat in between Judy King of "USA Today," and Candy Crowley. And Candy had a really horrible cold in 43 hours. I can't believe in the last 10 days of the election, I ended back there in the plane and then .

GUTFELD: So she --

PERINO: . walk home.

GUTFELD: She gave Bush .

PERINO: It happens.

GUTFELD: . the cold and the shaft to myths.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I think myth -- yeah, that was like a terminal illness.



BOLLING: All right, we got to go. Ahead, after Hillary Clinton calls half of Trump supporters deplorable, Trump introduces those deplorables to the world, his counterattack coming up next.


GUILFOYLE: It was an insult that could haunt Hillary Clinton all the way to November 8th. On Friday, she labeled half of Donald Trump's supporters as a "basket of deplorables," calling him racist, sexist, homophobic, you name it. She walked it back, but Trump's not going to let it go. Last night, he brought a sample of his supporters on stage to show just how non-deplorable they are.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: These are not deplorable people; that I can tell you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My wife and I represent non-deplorable people.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are not racist at all. We don't even fit on that list that she put out.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As black female American, I say let's get out and support Donald Trump.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do I look deplorable?




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm a wife, a mother, I work full-time and I am voting for Donald Trump.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And Mrs. Clinton, you can go home!


GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, that was quite a display. What do you think? Do you think that works, Greg, in terms of having that on stage? GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: . having them put on stage?

GUTFELD: I think it was a very smart play. You know the myth that deplorables was the original name for the housewives.


GUTFELD: You know that? No, I think this is great because it portrays Hillary as a divisive hate-machine that the left often is. And by the way, this is, this framing that Hillary does, it's not new. That, this idea that these people are deplorable is shared by the academia, entertainment in media -- artist especially, happily make jokes about dumb red necks, but they never do it about venal gang bangers, they will mock the bible belchers, but they will flee from saying anything about radical Islam. Like Marilyn Manson make fun of Christians, but she's too much of a coward to go after radical Islam .


GUTFELD: . because she doesn't get its head chop off.

GUILFOYLE: And started out again.

GUTFELD: Yes, I'm sorry. But the fact is, they make fun of the poor -- the so-called poor and uneducated, because the media -- they need an outlet for their bile, because those are the only acceptable people they can make fun of.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Bolling, so what do you think? He's a --


GUILFOYLE: How is he handling this, do you think --

BOLLING: This is a great way to do it, because here -- here's what he did. She said these people are deplorable, right? Or this group of people are -- is deplorable. And what he's done, he put a face to that comment. Had she said something like some of Trump supporters say things that are deplorable or had done things that are deplorable -- that actions are deplorable -- she didn't. She painted them as deplorable. He's really sticking it to her, showing everyone these are good people. These people aren't deplorable. And by the way, she went further by saying, "And they're irredeemable." And I think that was the biggest mistake, not so much "deplorable." "Deplorable" is being, you know -- going viral, but the word that is even worse is "irredeemable."

GUTFELD: It's supposed to be everybody...

BOLLING: Everyone is redeemable.

GUTFELD: Yes. Except for Juan.

BOLLING: Except for Juan.

We're kidding, but...

GUILFOYLE: That's not very Christian.

BOLLING: These people are irredeemable? You've -- you're really alienated a big group of people.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, and I mean, does she not -- she doesn't care. She just thinks she has it in the basket. So she doesn't need the votes.

PERINO: Yes, she shouldn't have said it. She even said, kind of, when she sort of walked it back, very effective to try to put the people up on stage and so that you can see them. We're covering it now for two days, so I think that worked in his favor.

I do think, however, what happened is then you have vice-presidential candidate Mike Pence, the governor of Indiana, then asked about David Duke and whether he's deplorable. And Pence can't even bring himself to say that he is. So...

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh. The other side of the argument emerges. Thank you. Thank you.

PERINO: And so Pence, in some ways, takes the bait. So Hillary Clinton energizes her base, irritates Donald Trump's, but she knows they're never going to vote for her anyway.

I don't even know if Hillary Clinton was actually being that strategic. I think she was playing to the crowd, the arts crowd. Where she said it was being hosted by Barbra Streisand. And we know that that kind of commentary about middle America plays very well in a crowd like that.

WILLIAMS: But she -- she said...

PERINO: But then, actually -- and I think Donald Trump has -- he's a different sort of Republican. He's from the outside. He actually has more of an ability to snuff out racism and bigotry, if he chose to say, "Yes, David Duke is deplorable. Of course he is." And just leave it at that. And like, "On that, Hillary Clinton, we can agree" and move on.

But I agree, showing people on stage is great, but I think that he could have actually handled it in a different way so that she didn't keep getting a news cycle out of it.

GUILFOYLE: Trying to ...

WILLIAMS: Well, I'm glad that you brought up they can't even call David Duke a bigot? Holy smokes. So, in other words, nobody is supposed to be called a bigot. You don't want to hurt their feelings. My God, the man's a bigot. Why can't you say that? I mean, to me it's unbelievable.

Donald Trump Jr. is on Instagram, and he's putting out stuff that features Alex Jones, who says, "Oh, 9/11 was a government conspiracy." Milo Yiannapoulos, who's going after black people as, like, gorillas and the like, right? "Oh, but we're not -- we have nothing to do with racist and white nationalists. Who us? Oh, gee, why would you -- that's bad."

This is political three-card monte, and apparently, it's got you guys trapped, because he is switching the people he put up there, the Little Sisters of the Poor. I mean, goodness gracious, the deplorables are people who are racists and bigots. And guess what? When you look at the polls, you say where is the evidence?

GUILFOYLE: You can't fix this for Hillary.

WILLIAMS: The polls are right there. The polls are a third think that blacks are lazy, criminals. Sixty percent thin, "Oh, yes, keep Muslims out of the country," because Muslims have to be banned.

BOLLING: You can have...

WILLIAMS: Fifty percent think the president wasn't born here.

GUTFELD: Juan -- Juan, you can hold these -- these opinions at the same time. I could -- I could say that what Trump did was wise and what Pence did was stupid.

PERINO: Right.

WILLIAMS: Yes, that's true. But I think that what we have seen in terms of the hard numbers of polling of Trump supporters is that they hold a lot of deplorable opinions.

GUILFOYLE: OK, well, that's insulting to...

WILLIAMS: How is that insulting?

GUILFOYLE: Because you know them? Where is this poll from?

WILLIAMS: I'm saying the polls. The polls are very real.

GUILFOYLE: I'm just telling you, I think this isn't good for her. You can try and spin it. You've done your very best.

WILLIAMS: I don't think. I think it's very good for her, because of Dana's point. I think that her supporters, one, think this is right. And I think a lot of independent voters don't want to be associated with bigots and are not going to vote for Trump for that reason. That's why, when Tim Kaine said call out the bullies and the bigots, I said, "Go, campaign."

BOLLING: Mike Pence did say, "I'm not going to call him deplorable. We don't want his vote. We don't want anyone like him to vote for us or their support." He said that right after he said, "I'm not calling" -- he just doesn't like to -- his words are, "I don't like to call people names." That's what he said.

PERINO: But he fell for the -- my point is tactically, he just fell for it, and they could have handled it differently.

GUILFOYLE: Trump's going to give a speech -- yes -- outlining his proposal to make child care more affordable for working families tonight. Now, catch that, please, on FOX News around 7:30 p.m. Eastern. His daughter Ivanka will be with him, and then she will be on "The Kelly File" at 9 p.m. Eastern, and Trump will appear on "Hannity" at 10. Please make sure to tune in. Keep it on FOX.

Straight ahead, both houses of Congress approved a bill to allow victims' families to sue Saudi Arabia over 9/11. So why won't the president sign it? Next.


WILLIAMS: On Friday, the House joined the Senate in approving a bill, without objections, that will allow families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia's government for any role in those horrific attacks.

The legislation is now at the White House for President Obama's signature, but he's not going to sign it, apparently. He plans to veto it.


JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president does intend to veto this legislation. The president feels quite strongly about this, and you know, our concern is not limited to the impact it could have on our relationship with one country but rather, it could have an impact on our relationship with every country around the world in a way that has negative consequences for the United States, for our national security and for our men and women in uniform.


WILLIAMS: The president argues the bill could open the country to a raft of lawsuits by private citizens overseas.

What do you think, Dana?

PERINO: I -- that argument on the merits, I understand the Congress passed it unanimously, both houses. And sometimes presidents have to decide to make a judgement call that is extremely unpopular. He will be overridden after he vetoes this legislation.

But I do think that, you know, when you're there in the Oval Office, whether it's going to be Trump or Hillary in the future, decisions like this come to your desk, and you have to make a judgment call that is not just about one thing but the future. You might know things that you cannot discuss in public that make it very difficult, and it makes you look hard- hearted and cold and calculating, and that you're sympathizing with the Saudis, which I do not think President Obama is. I just think he's in a very tough spot, and he is going to lose on this issue.

WILLIAMS: Well, it's very interesting, because Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, the senator from New York, they both say sign the bill.

PERINO: Right.

WILLIAMS: But on the other hand, you have people like John Bolton, the former U.N. ambassador, served under George Bush; Mike Mukasey, former attorney general, who say this is likely to hurt the U.S. more than it is to harm the terrorists. What do you think, Eric?

BOLLING: I think he should not veto the bill. We're hearing he may veto it any given moment. So and I think Dana is right, maybe he feels that there's no risk to vetoing, because it will get overridden, as well, and end up, you know...

PERINO: And then he can say to the Saudis, "I tried to do something."

BOLLING: Maybe he's bigger saying, look, the presidency did the right thing. I'm not sure that he has that, but maybe he did. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say -- and let's go with that. But I'm in favor of this...

PERINO: Legislation.

BOLLING: ... legislation passing and getting through.

GUILFOYLE: Because it's hard not to.

BOLLING: Yes. Letting these people sue who they feel...

WILLIAMS: Even though it's going to have repercussions for us?

BOLLING: I'm not sure what kind of repercussions. I mean, I understand the idea that there's a lot of intel that's shared. There's a lot of...

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. We've been using drones. We've had missile attacks. I'm guessing there's a lot of collateral damage on private citizens, so all of a sudden, they're suing the United States.

GUILFOYLE: But that's because the legal definition of an act of terrorism varies internationally. So what one could consider in one country would differ someplace else. So it's a tremendous exposure of risk to diplomats and those serving overseas in the intel community.

That's why the president is going to veto it but, nevertheless, in terms of just pulling on the heart strings and wanting to give some kind of solace to these families, I think those that in Congress are hard pressed not to allow them...

WILLIAMS: So it's a populist effort?

GUILFOYLE: There's different interests at play here. And of course, like, anybody that's from New York, you're going to go to your constituents and say...


GUILFOYLE: "I'm not going to let you sue for losing your mother, your father, your children"? I mean, no. That's not what's happening.

WILLIAMS: Two things, Greg. One is that you can go after terrorists, but you have -- the government has to designate that country as a sponsor of terrorism. And Saudi Arabia has not been designated. So that's what the president would be doing. What do you think?

GUTFELD: Well, it -- from what I can gather, the explanation is, if we do this to other countries, then other countries will do it to us. So imagine if you applied that mentality to all laws.

Like, I could sue Dana for assault, but she could sue me for assault. Therefore, we should not have such lawsuits. It doesn't, to me, make any sense. A law is a two-way street. I can sue you for this; you can sue me for that or charge you for this. It doesn't mean you should make those laws somehow illegal.

And the only reason why people are -- they're not greedy. They just don't want the perpetrators to get away with it. There's an assumption that people are getting away with this stuff.

WILLIAMS: One last thing.


WILLIAMS: What about -- what about an out? Let's just say you just give them more money to the victims, the U.S. gives more money, or we say, "We're going to investigate further what Saudi Arabia..."

GUTFELD: The money isn't the issue. It's the perpetrator is getting away with it.

You know, if the West had this -- imagine if the West had the same tendencies as these countries. Those countries should be thankful that we don't act like them.

WILLIAMS: All right.

Ahead, Ryan Lochte is ambushed by protesters during his "Dancing with the Stars" debut. Now, I'm going to tell you, it all happened live, on television, and we're going to show you the tense moment, next.





PERINO: It was Ryan Lochte's big moment, an opportunity for the Olympic swimmer to dance his troubles away after the Rio fiasco, but his "Dancing with the Stars" debut was marred by a couple of protesters. Two of them rushed the stage during a live broadcast while he was getting critiqued by the judges. They were quickly tackled by security and handcuffed. Their cronies in the audience were led out.

And here's what Lochte said -- and his partner said right after the incident.


RYAN LOCHTE, OLYMPIC MEDALIST: So many feelings are going through my head right now. A little hurt. But, you know, I came out here. I wanted to do something that I'm completely not comfortable with. And I did, and I came out here with a big smile and I have the best dance partner.

CHERYL BURKE, PROFESSIONAL DANCER: He's just here dancing his butt off and trying to do what he's supposed to be doing which is dancing, so I hope people give him a chance.


PERINO: Greg, do you feel sorry for Ryan?

GUTFELD: No. This is -- actually, this was part of the whole event. They were re-enacting the incident at the gas station in Brazil. So it was all part of the whole thing. We edited out the part where they said that. I don't know why we did that.

WILLIAMS: You know the liberal media.


WILLIAMS: It's terrible.

PERINO: When I first heard about this, I thought that maybe the network had set it up as part of a publicity stunt. But maybe not.


PERINO: I don't know. I'm not a conspiracy theory.

GUILFOYLE: Conspiracy theory. This is what happened.

PERINO: And it occurred to me that you're rubbing off on me.

GUILFOYLE: Through osmosis, Bolling is jumping into your cell.

BOLLING: I had one today. I had a conspiracy moment today.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

BOLLING: President Obama did a speech today for Hillary Clinton. He came out in Philadelphia, right, in Pennsylvania but Philadelphia. He starts talking. About five minutes in he goes, "A little help over there. That lady just fainted. It's very hot in here. You know, that happens." That was like, come on.

PERINO: Oh, they set it up?

BOLLING: That was so set up.

PERINO: Interesting.

GUTFELD: That woman was Hillary.

GUILFOYLE: So let's see how much of this osmosis of Bolling cell DNA is going to permeate.

PERINO: I don't know. There's no -- but there's another incident that happened on "Dancing with the Stars" last night with former Governor Rick Perry. Let's take -- I think we have some pictures of that.

I mean, he went total corn dog, and he charmed everybody. Like, maybe the judges didn't like it, but the audience loved it.

GUILFOYLE: I think he's so sweet. He was very nice.

PERINO: Jim Gilmore.

GUILFOYLE: And he came -- oh, my gosh. Poor thing. But, yes, he was so nice when he came on "The Five" and he was on our show. I really like him.

PERINO: Did they ever have, like -- are there Democrats that they put on these shows and make fun of?

GUILFOYLE: By the way, I don't think he was that bad. He had a back problem before.

PERINO: He was actually pretty good.

GUILFOYLE: I thought he did pretty good.

GUTFELD: He gained a lot of respect in the dancing world.

PERINO: He is. He is.

Juan, do you have any comment?

WILLIAMS: No. I -- my hat's off to Rick Perry, because I was saying...

GUTFELD: : You're not wearing a hat, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Well, I know, but you know what I meant. Metaphorically.

But Rick Perry looked great, because Rick Perry, if you recall, had serious back trouble. And Rick Perry is out there. I think he's, like, 66.

PERINO: It's no joke. I mean, Kimberly, you know how to dance like that.

GUILFOYLE: Correct. Correct. Yes, so I think it's good. I like when people challenge themselves and go out there and do something that they're not comfortable with and try and make it happen. Like Tucker did. Geraldo.

PERINO: Eric, are you next?

BOLLING: Let's hope the conservative isn't the first one out this time.

Next -- no, no, probably not. I was busy watching -- Juan, will you help me out here?

WILLIAMS: What, what?

BOLLING: Kirk Cousins, $20 million franchise quarterback for the Redskins. The guy was awful.

WILLIAMS: Well, yes.

PERINO: You know what happened to me last night?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: I had a total remote control failure. There's three remotes. There are instructions to go with the remotes. And the input button screws me up every time. Because I was going to watch something recorded. Then it got all screwed up, so I ended up just watching snow.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, I can fix that for you.


GUILFOYLE: Just call me next time. You have to hit, like, the HDMI 1 and go back and forth for the cable.

PERINO: Yes. But then see in my queue, and it's very frustrating.

GUILFOYLE: That's for, like, the other.

PERINO: I'm going to call Ronan next time.

WILLIAMS: That's exactly what I was going to say...

PERINO: Need a child.

WILLIAMS: The reason to have children.

PERINO: Yes, Jasper was no help.

WILLIAMS: They will go and fix the TVs.

GUILFOYLE: Very handsome...

WILLIAMS: By the way, why would you pick on the Washington football team instead of praising the Pittsburgh football team?

BOLLING: They was -- they were great. That running back for Pittsburgh...


BOLLING: ... the 33-year-old running back crushed it.


BOLLING: Roethlisberger was great. It just blew me away.

WILLIAMS: I think that -- by the way, I think was, like, our side.

BOLLING: This guy, $19.9 million franchise, and it just looked like -- it looked like a high school quarterback for me.

PERINO: Next up on "Sports Center," live edition.

GUTFELD: I watched "BoJack Horseman," five episodes.

PERINO: I tried to watch that, but I couldn't get that on the HDMI thing.

GUILFOYLE: Do you think Bret is going to be really mad on "Special Report"?

PERINO: Bret is probably mad. Therefore, "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Bogarted the Ryan Lochte segment.


GUTFELD: "One More Thing" -- Dana.

PERINO: Greg just said I shouldn't do corny jokes.

GUTFELD: Well...

PERINO: But I don't have corny jokes today. I have another announcement to make, very important. Actually, it's just for fun.

Chris Stirewalt, my good friend, he and I do that podcast. It's called "Perino and Stirewalt: I'll Tell You What." So we do this podcast, and we just shoot the breeze for 30, 40 minutes. And he is a font of political information. And so we talk, and we have a lot of fun. And so that is going to become a TV show, just temporarily on the FOX News Channel at 5 p.m. on Sundays. Family friendly. Five p.m. Hope you can join us.

GUTFELD: Oh, we were expecting something so raw from Dana Perino and Chris Stirewalt.

PERINO: I'm hoping that families watch it and parents and kids will get together and talk about it.

GUILFOYLE: And congratulations. We're very proud of you.

WILLIAMS: And I want to say, I think it's a great idea. Some FOX executive had his hat on.

GUILFOYLE: I said they should have their radio...

PERINO: It maybe was a woman.


PERINO: Maybe it was a woman.

GUTFELD: Why does it have to be a man or a woman? How normative can you get?

GUILFOYLE: Suzanne Scott.

GUTFELD: There you go.

Where am I, Eric?

BOLLING: I don't know.

GUTFELD: I have a mike.

BOLLING: Where we are. Last night, I was watching the late-night game, the Monday night football game, L.A. Rams and 49ers. Kind of a boring game until this happened.

A streaker ran across the field. Listen. Now mind you, the NFL will not take the video of the streaker. So these guys had some fun. It's Kevin Harlan from Westwood 1. Listen.


KEVIN HARLAN, WESTWOOD 1: Somebody has run out on the field. Some goofball in a hat and a red shirt. Now he takes off the shirt. He runs to the 50. He runs to the 40. The guy is drunk, but there he goes. The 20. They're chasing him. They're not going to get him. Waving his arms. Bare-chested. Somebody's stop that man!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look out. Here comes the blue coats.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They got him. They're coming from the left. Oh, they tackle him at the 40-yard line.


BOLLING: Totally was the best part of the game.

WILLIAMS: Wait, wait, wait, Jeff Fisher live during -- that's what Jeff Fisher...


WILLIAMS: He had no reaction.

BOLLING: He's just, like when is this going to end?

GUTFELD: Maybe Colin Kaepernick listened to me last night and decided to do a different kind of protest.

PERINO: Do something real. Bold.

GUTFELD: A small protest, I heard.

WILLIAMS: It would have been better if it was a woman, but what can you do?


GUILFOYLE: What? Juan.

WILLIAMS: Anyway, happy 107th birthday to World War II vet Lawrence Brooks. He celebrated at New Orleans's World War II museum yesterday.

Mr. Brooks was a private in the Army's segregated 91st Engineering Battalion. Now, he's lived moist of his life under segregation, but he has a lot to say about race relations today. He says things are getting better and better, and Americans, we just need to stick together.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, God bless him.

WILLIAMS: He also says one of his biggest surprises is that he lived to see a black president.

Well, Mr. Brooks, you might live to see the first woman, too. Happy 107th.

GUTFELD: All right. Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: That was very, very sweet. Very nice. I liked that.

WILLIAMS: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: He should tell the president that.

GUTFELD: He should.

GUILFOYLE: Be positive.

PERINO: Kaepernick.

GUILFOYLE: Be positive.

This is also very nice. So many of us have friends, family, people in our lives that have suffered from cancer, or passed away and this is a nice thing, when you see this here. It's more than 400 students and faculty showed up to support a beloved teacher's fight against cancer by gathering outside his window to sing and worship last Wednesday.

The students and faculty of Christ Presbyterian Academy in Nashville assembled outside the home -- and you see him right there -- of Latin and Bible teacher Ben Ellis. And he's been undergoing chemotherapy treatments since he was diagnosed with cancer last year. And they heard that he was maybe going to discontinue treatments. And they went out there to be inspirational and to sing.

PERINO: Love that.

GUILFOYLE: And also a special prayer for my neighbor, Mr. Aiken.

PERINO: Yes, Mr. Aiken.

GUTFELD: Time for -- got my article. Go to It's called "The Next 9/11." It's scintillating. Now it's time for...


GUTFELD: Greg's Birthday News.


GUTFELD: People are asking me how I spent my news [SIC]. Well, here's me opening some gifts that I got from Bill Hemmer.




GUTFELD: He air drops it into my backyard, some snacks. Bill always remembers the day because, you know, we used to spend our birthdays together.

BOLLING: Tail's getting low.

GUTFELD: I know.

GUILFOYLE: You seem a little low energy.

GUTFELD: Never miss an episode.

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