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Dana Perino tours the Flight 93 National Memorial

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 9, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

And you're looking live at New York City where Hillary Clinton is about to address the media. Yep, the media, after a national security meeting today, we will bring it to you as soon as it starts. And we're going to talk about until we see her hit that podium. Juan, what do you expect to hear from Mrs. Clinton?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, one, I think that she's going to have to speak about -- I think it's a continuation of what happened at the Matt Lauer, Commander-in-Chief Forum, and she's going to, I think. And these is an issue for Hillary Clinton, try to present it in a way that, you know, brings some sense of urgency to what she's learning and her view of world affairs without boring us.

BOLLING: Dana, she did speak to the media after the Commander-in-Chief Forum. Briefly, seven questions, a couple of softballs in there. Do you think she'll take questions today?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Yes, I do. Partly because she's under pressure to do so. And as you pointed out in August, she really wasn't very visible. She raised a lot of money. She had a lot of private events. And in some ways, you can say that may have helped her, but it also the pressure was mounting for her to do something with the media. Now she's going to do more. She took questions from her reporters on her plane earlier this week. I think she's going to want to do more media now. I think her people want her to do more media because the polls have tightened and they're worried. The problem is, you remember what happened the last time she tried to do a lot more media? Her poll numbers went down even further.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Oh, my goodness.

PERINO: So that's why they pulled it back. So, depending on how she does here and for the next couple of weeks before the debate, I think that you will see her engaging more, because she has to find a way to be on the television screens making news.

BOLLING: Are you noticing we're zooming in on that guy over there off to the left.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: That always means something is about to happen.

BOLLING: About to happen.

GUTFELD: But I'm not sure. I want to say about the, you know, the Matt Lauer thing. The reaction is so ridiculous, because basically, Matt Lauer did her a favor. She can't be treated like a Faberge egg, you know, in an airtight room, you know handled with sterilized tongs. You know Trump is not going to do that. You -- I mean, Matt Lauer was giving her a taste of the future, and if they're that frazzled by that, that's a bad sign. That means they're not preparing her. If that was shocking to her, her people -- the people that are doing the mock debates or whatever, they're not, they're not playing rough with her, and they need to. It's a bad sign, if that's traumatic.

BOLLING: can we just --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: A two-minute warning .

GUILFOYLE: OK.

BOLLING: . we should see the madam secretary any minute now. So go ahead, your thoughts.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, I'm waiting for the big thrill. I like to see what to happen. But I want to get follow up on that, and it's really such a good point, because you would think that she would be a little bit better, like battle-ready, tested for a question, an interview with Matt Lauer. It's true, are they not preparing her properly? Is she not listening? Is she not coachable? Because you know, it's going to be very unpredictable when she's on that debate stage with him and she doesn't want to be caught off guard. So, so far, that wasn't kind of a good pregame sign. And now here, Dana, I agree with you, she's got to come out, she's got to be communicative. She kind of has to try and take back the news cycle in a positive way and regain some of that kind of mojo, the momentum that she had coming out of the democratic convention. But you know, what can she say in order to try and lure people back in and charm them again? I don't know.

WILLIAMS: I think there's a lot she can say, Kimberly. I mean, the thing is, she's coming out of a briefing. Remember with Trump during the Lauer event said that he was getting body language and signals from the intelligence briefers that they didn't agree with the president, they didn't like the president. I mean it's as wild, but anyway, that's what he said. That gets attention. I would also say to you, Greg .

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: I don't think it was the questions to her. She handled the questions fine. I think it was the lack of questions to Matt -- to Donald Trump from Matt Lauer. And I think that's why people said, it looked like, you know, he was just -- I mean it looked like the media was pumping Donald Trump to make money and get ratings.

GUTFELD: And that is the beauty of 2016, the reversals of the roles of right and left. The left used to be aggressive and bold in their assertions, you know, we're powerful. And the right, we're always on the back foot. We're always defensive, calling out the media. Now it's reversed. Now you have the left going, hey, that's not fair. It's kind of refreshing.

WILLIAMS: Maybe she'll explain about the earpiece, because the conservative media think, oh there was an earpiece.

BOLLING: Oh, no, no. Come on, come on.

WILLIAMS: It was an earpiece.

GUTFELD: No, that was a hair piece.

WILLIAMS: A hair piece. I got it wrong.

BOLLING: Dana, Juan point out .

GUILFOYLE: Juan, you were in her ear, right?

BOLLING: . that Hillary Clinton did answer all of Matt Lauer's questions. But there was, it was widely perceived, widely perceived, let's put it that way that Donald Trump won the night, maybe because she's just not that likable. Is that -- can you coach likability?

PERINO: Probably not, but you can -- I think what she's going to try to do today is show competence and her experience. And I think the other thing is that her -- this is a national security briefing, and one of the things that, just to drill down on something that's important -- one of the most important states for either candidate is North Carolina. The polls that came out today show Trump is doing better in Florida and Ohio, down in Pennsylvania, but down in North Carolina. And that matters one of the things that North Carolina has a lot of military families on military voters. She's polling, he -- Donald Trump is getting only 46 percent of military voters in North Carolina. You need to be up around 60 percent if - - but you can get voters elsewhere, but usually republicans are around 60 percent in North Carolina with the military. So, maybe he helped to hurt himself the other night, but she is going to try to press that advantage . with that now.

BOLLING: She did --

PERINO: . with that now.

BOLLING: Beating her by 19 percent .

PERINO: OK.

BOLLING: . amongst military families.

PERINO: It's true, but Romney --

GUILFOYLE: Now, but what happened?

PERINO: But Romney beat Obama by 40 with the military.

WILLIAMS: And McCain --

PERINO: So 19 percent --

WILLIAMS: McCain also had that similar margin.

GUTFELD: Gary Johnson --

PERINO: If you have --

GUTFELD: It leads both of them in the military.

PERINO: If this is -- if everything is on a knife's edge, all of these voters matter. And so, I think with this, she's trying close out the national security week on a relatively high note for her. I don't know if she'll be able to hit that note, but she's going to try.

BOLLING: KG .

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

BOLLING: . big news today.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

BOLLING: North Korea says they've tested successfully to let -- tested a ballistic missile, something like five times more powerful than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Do you think she addresses this and what she would do with North Korea?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, you know, it is a good opportunity to take the world stage and to address these issues, especially those that are areas of concern of great national security risk, to provide kind of her assessment. I don't know if she's going to give some specifics on it, but she should show, listen. I'm the one that you should choose, especially in these turbulent, uncertain times. I can provide the stability based on my experience, based on my time as secretary of state, and try to highlight some of those things and juxtapose to Mr. Trump to say, look at, I've already been here, I'm the one that's been listening, you know, to intelligence briefings, gathering information. I've invested this many years working on behalf and trying to understand, comprehend, you know, national security when how to handle it, and this is why I have these people supporting me.

WILLIAMS: You know, you know, Eric, I was interested to hear you say you thought Trump won the other night, because what I've been --

BOLLING: No, no. I said widely perceived based on polls --

WILLIAMS: Oh, OK.

BOLLING: Polls that aren't --

WILLIAMS: Yeah. No, because what I was --

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: What I was --

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: What I was -- gee, are you sensitive on this issue or what?

BOLLING: No, I --

WILLIAMS: OK. Anyway, anyway, I was just --

GUILFOYLE: Poke him again.

WILLIAMS: I mean, what struck me was that everyone's talking about all of his praise for Putin. He goes on Russian TV to talk about Putin? He says Putin is a better leader than Obama, and I see republicans saying hmm, we're not comfortable with that.

BOLLING: Well, he went on "Larry King," a podcast. And Dana, I've done "Larry King."

PERINO: And it posted by .

BOLLING: last time --

PERINO: And posted by Russian intelligence.

BOLLING: But you -- I'll tell you exactly how this goes down, and I'm 100 percent being right up front with this. Larry King's producers contact you. Last month I was asked to do something for "Wake up America," the book, and I said, yes, sure, I'll do a podcast. You go through the proper channels, you get approval. And what you find out later, this podcast is now put up online, but it's also put up on Russian TV.

GUTFELD: They not know you.

PERINO: But Eric, but the thing --

BOLLING: They don't tell you when they book you.

GUTFELD: That's wrong.

BOLLING: When they book you --

PERINO: But the thing is --

BOLLING: Don't specifically say you're going to be on Russian TV.

PERINO: I remember that. Remember you said --

BOLLING: Yes.

PERINO: I just did an interview with Larry King, like on Russian television?

BOLLING: And I had no idea.

PERINO: Then no, but OK.

BOLLING: Right.

PERINO: You don't have an army of staff.

BOLLING: Right.

PERINO: You don't have people who were like; excuse me, Larry King works for the Russians. You don't have that. If you are running for president, you should know that. Plus, then when they're like, will they tricked me. Just own it, move on. I did the interview, but it comes on a day when just as Hillary Clinton's having another bad news cycle, they rescue her with, you know, what looks like praise for Putin or acceptance of Putin, and I cannot accept it.

BOLLING: He doubled down just an hour ago from the Values Voter Summit he said, "You know what, if Putin and Russia want to join the fight against ISIS, I welcome them." Will she pushback on that?

GUTFELD: I think -- I mean here's the problem with his statements about Putin is its value-free. Like, it's easy to be a strong leader if you're killing the opposition. But the United States doesn't do that, so you're comparing --

GUILFOYLE: Here she is.

GUTFELD: Here she is, looking great. I shall be quiet now.

BOLLING: Hmm.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God, what a shock.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Good afternoon. I just finished meeting with a distinguished group of national security experts. Some served under a republican president, some under a democrat, some under both, and some in uniform. They don't agree on everything, but together they represent a great deal of expertise, experiences and lessons learned. I asked them to join me for a candid conversation about some of the most challenging issues facing our country, because I believe that America's national security must be the top priority for our next president. To do that job, you need to constantly seek new information and new perspectives, test your assumptions, ask and answer hard questions. That's what today was about, and I'm grateful to these men and women for sharing their insights with me. I hope and intend that our conversations will continue, because that said many times. I believe in a bipartisan foreign policy. We won't always see eye to eye, but when it comes to questions of war, peace and the safety of our country, we can't let party affiliation stand between us. We need to put partisanship aside and work together for the good of all of us. And I know we can do it. I've seen it happen under both republican and democratic presidents. So, that will be my goal, if I'm elected this fall. Today, our main conversation was, as you might expect, ISIS and other terrorist threats. We discussed how ISIS is finding ways to convince young men around the world, and some young women, including in our own country, to get assault weapons or strap on bombs and kill large numbers of people. And we talk specifically about a strategy to protect us from that threat here at home. We went into detail on what it will take to surge our intelligence to help us detect and prevent attacks before they happen. We also discussed methods to disrupt online recruitment so they stop reaching and radicalizing young people on the internet. And one of the points that many of the participants emphasized, which deserves a higher priority in a counterterrorism strategy, is the role of local governments and community leaders here at home who truly do act as our first line of defense. While we protect the Homeland, though, we need to take the fight to ISIS. That means smashing their strongholds, denying them safe havens, dismantling the global network of fighters, financing and arms that supply these terrorists, which requires working closely with our allies. It does not mean sending contingents of American combat troops to take and hold territory. That's neither wise nor in the interests of the United States, and it is exactly what ISIS wants. Instead, we have to hit them from the air and intensify support for local Arab and Kurdish partners on the ground. I support deploying more special forces, enablers and trainers as need, increased surveillance, intelligence-gathering and reconnaissance. And as I said earlier this week, I also believe it should be a top priority to take the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, off the battlefield, just like we did with Osama bin Laden. That will help us focus our efforts and make it very clear that no one attacks the United States or inspires attacks without being brought to justice. Here today, we talked about what we need to do. I would stand up a mission team to bring focus and priority to this effort. We will devote the intelligence assets necessary, combined with the capabilities of our allies and partners on the ground and the precise application of military force. We know how to do this. We have models to draw from. It will be a paramount priority for me as president, and it will send exactly the right message. History tells us that we need an approach that's comprehensive and deals with multiple, overlapping conflicts in the region and along the entire arc of instability, from North Africa, through the Middle East, into Central Asia and beyond. As we've been reminded in just the last 24 hours, with reports of another nuclear test in North Korea, we face threats from many parts of the world. Indeed, ISIS and North Korea's quest for a nuclear weapon are not entirely unconnected, because the greatest threat of all would be terrorists getting their hands on loose nuclear material. So, it's vital we bring the world together to stop North Korea's dangerous game. In discussions of national security, it can be easy to get mired in the tactics or overly focused on the threats, but let's not lose sight of what this larger project of American leadership is all about. It is about creating more peace in our world, more prosperity, more human dignity, and that's what we have to also be focused on every day. There were a number of very excellent suggestions about what we can and should be doing here at home to try to bring our American-Muslim community much more closely and welcomed into the struggle against radicalization and recruitment. And I am anxious to follow up on the ideas and even some of the model programs that are currently under way. I'm humbled to be supported in this race by a growing number of retired military leaders. Earlier this week, 95 retired generals and admirals endorsed me for president. And in the past 48 hours, another 15 have joined them. So have people on both sides of the debate that have defined our foreign policy for the last 30 years. Their support is an honor. I am grateful for it, but it's also a signal that this election is different. I don't want to rehash everything my opponent has said in this campaign, but no conversation about our national security would be complete unless we acknowledged that the nominee on the other side promises to do things that will make us less safe. National security experts on both sides of the aisle are chilled by what they're hearing from the republican nominee. That may be the number one reason why this election is the most important in our lifetimes. So, I'm not waiting until November. I'm bringing democrats and republicans together now, because I plan to get right down to work on day one. The stakes are too high and the issues too serious for anything less than that level of preparedness. Americans should be able to count on their president and commander-in-chief to provide rational, confident and even keeled leadership, especially in tumultuous times like these. So, I'm very grateful to the men and women I met with today, experts with a broad range of understanding and willingness to share their insights, and I look forward to continuing to receive their advice in the days and weeks ahead. So, we'll take just one or two questions.

(CROSSTALK)

QUESTION: Secretary Clinton (inaudible).

CLINTON: Well, Amy, I think it's clear that the increasing threat posed by North Korea requires not only a rethinking of the strategy, but an urgent effort to convince the neighbors, most particularly, China, that this is not just a U.S. issue. And I think we have an opening here that we haven't had for the last several years that I intend to do everything I can to take advantage of. But we're also going to support and equip our allies in the region with the missile defense systems that they require to protect themselves. That is not something that either the North Koreans or the Chinese or the Russians in the region are particularly pleased about. But is what the alternative? We are not going to let anyone who is a treaty ally and partner of ours be threatened, and we are not going to let North Korea pursue a nuclear weapon with the ballistic missile capacity to deliver it to the United States territory. That is absolutely a bottom line. And if other countries want to assist us in this effort, we welcome that, and we will engage in intensive discussions as soon as possible.

(CROSSTALK)

QUESTION: Secretary Clinton, you put out a statement earlier today saying that you support President Obama's call for additional sanctions on North Korea, but they've faced sanctions for years, and clearly, it hasn't stopped them from moving forward on their nuclear program. So, how will a few more sanctions help? And would you consider the kinds of negotiations that you pushed for with Iran?

CLINTON: Well, the answer to the second question is yes, because we faced a similar problem in 2009. As a senator, I voted for every sanction that was put before the Senate against Iran in our effort to try to prevent Iran from moving forward on a nuclear program. It didn't stop them. They built covert facilities. They mastered the nuclear fuel cycle. They were able to acquire and put into operation a significant number of centrifuges. So our sanctions, despite our best efforts, were not enough. And although we have international sanctions against North Korea, some of which I helped to negotiate when I was there, they aren't enough either, and they aren't enough for the very same reason I was responding to Amy about. They're not enough because China has not yet made the decision that it needs to make, that North Korea poses a threat to the region and poses a threat to the kind of stable border relationship that China has always valued with North Korea. So we are going to continue to look at how we tighten sanctions, because I do think there is a role for sanctions. The regime in North Korea lives off of goods and material that can be smuggled in to keep their lifestyle and their love of luxury going. So, I think there's a lot more we can do, and it will be on the top of my list in dealing with China on how we're going to prevent what could very well be a serious conflict with North Korea.

(CROSSTALK)

CLINTON: Well, Jennifer, you know, you don't talk about leverage until you actually produce leverage. And I, I believe that we do have leverage with China. And I believe based on my extensive discussions when I was secretary of state, that there is even a conversation starting within China about how to handle the changes in the North Korean regime. China has no interest in seeing the kind of build-up, which we are going to be doing. And I will stress this and underline it -- we will not leave our friends and allies unprotected. And we will do everything we can to put in the most effective missile defense system against anything that North Korea does. Chinese are not happy about that. We have a lot of leverage, and we're going to exercise that leverage, and we're going to put together the kind of negotiations that I think can lead to a beginning of containing and controlling the behavior of the North Korean government, which has the danger of affecting everyone, including China. Thank you all. Thank you all.

(CROSSTALK)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: (inaudible)

BOLLING: OK. So, there it is. Secretary Clinton came to the podium. She did a presser, because she did actually took questions, she spoke for about eight minutes in a -- wait, hold on, she's got more.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: This just becomes more and more of a reality television story show. It's not, it, it is not a serious presidential campaign. And it is beyond one's imagination to have a candidate for president praising a Russian autocrat like Vladimir Putin and throwing his lot in with him in the way that he has approved of his wishlist and not even really understanding what Putin has already done, like invading and occupying Crimea. We are living in challenging times, and that certainly was reinforced by the excellent discussion we had today. No one who wants to assume the responsibility of being president and commander-in-chief should be making the kind of reckless and dangerous statements and identifying with a regime that has some aggressive tendencies toward our interests, our values, our friends and allies. So, can I say I was surprised? I'm not sure anything surprises us anymore, but I was certainly disappointed that someone running for president of the United States would continue this unseemly identification with and praise of the Russian president, including on Russian television.

(CROSSTALK)

CLINTON: Thank you all.

(CROSSTALK)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right, I was going to say, she spoke for eight minutes and took four questions. Apparently, as she was leaving, some reporter threw a question to her about Donald Trump, so she turn, she came back to the podium, addressed what she thought about -- her thoughts on Donald Trump and Russia. So make that five questions, almost all of them, four of the five were on North Korea. We're going to break for a commercial very quickly and come back and discuss it more after the break.

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WILLIAMS: Welcome back to "The Five." After meeting with national security advisers, Hillary Clinton took some questions from the press today in New York. Let's go around the table and get some reaction to what Clinton had to say, beginning with Dana Perino.

PERINO: I'll speak mostly to the tactic. So, she had a bad couple days in the media, well, actually, a bad couple days -- well stop, because of the e-mail situation, the Commander-in-Chief Forum that some people think she did well, but most people, as Eric was saying and the online polls said about Trump won. So she didn't want to go into the weekend with that being the national security story that she had to own to through the weekends.

So what she did at 5 o'clock on a Friday, instead of a document up from the FBI, she went ahead and did a press conference with flags behind her, where she was trying to look and sound presidential. Interesting, though, she talked about two things that I would think would be a break from President Obama, and herself.

First one was talking about all of these things that she will do to combat ISIS. And if you wonder, if all of those things were available, why isn't President Obama doing those now? And secondly, she talked about Russia at the very end, when she came back and answer that question about Russia Yes, of course it was to try to pop Donald Trump in the nose, but it also exposed that her Russian reset was a failure. There wasn't an opportunity for the press to ask a follow-up on that, but she does go into the weekend now with different sound bites and a different look and feel than two days ago.

WILLIAMS: Eric, she said that Trump's comments about Putin were reckless, dangerous, and that he was identifying with a regime that's been aggressive and anti-American.

BOLLING: And like you said, he doubled down earlier today, saying, "Hey, we welcome the Russians in the fight against ISIS."

I just found it interesting. She had a very, very subdued tone. She stayed on policy for four questions and left. And then had that one opportunity and had to take it, to take that shot, that political point she had to make right before the weekend. So, she came back and took a shot at Trump.

WILLIAMS: You think that's the headline?

BOLLING: I just found it interesting.

WILLIAMS: OK.

BOLLING: Because up until then, it looked good, like she had a lot of policy ideas out there and, wow, that was -- that was pretty cool. And then she came back and...

WILLIAMS: So to come back to Eric's point, Kimberly, it looked like she was trying to demonstrate mastery, experience, both as a senator and then as secretary of state in the way that she was speaking. Would you agree?

GUILFOYLE: Well, I think that's what she thinks. I think that she did very well for herself. I liked the tone. It was measured. It was stabilized. It's like, "OK, I'm going to come out here. I'm not going to be shrill. I'm not going to raise my voice. I'm going to show that I have command of the situation, but I'm not excitable about it, because I am a person of experience, considerable experience and exposure to national security matters."

So, she hit all those notes that we talked about that we said that she needed to. She did answer the questions, so she can kind of like quell the noise on that in terms of not doing press conferences. But then she didn't miss the opportunity when she heard something that she wanted to get dag at. She went out and then didn't take the bait and left the room.

WILLIAMS: And now for our media critic. What do you think of her performance, Greg?

GUTFELD: Well, I enjoyed the part where she says she won't send troops in, except for Special Forces and enablers. That's like saying I'm not going to get drunk, because I'm only going to do shots. Makes no sense, but the tone...

GUILFOYLE: Well, they look so little, deceiving.

GUTFELD: They do, yes. But seven of them.

It was like you know what was so incredible? It was so calming, so relaxing. It was like being at a spa, like a nice bath filled with milk. I mean, I could really nap to her. It was like an -- it was like an NPR podcast just on a loop. It's like if I ever need to relax or take a nap, I'm just going to put that on. It just made me feel so good.

WILLIAMS: Was it anti-Trump? Was it, like, anti-bellicose, anti-Trump?

GUILFOYLE: I like...

GUTFELD: I don't know. I have to say, I enjoyed it.

GUILFOYLE: It's Greg's -- Greg's new Xanax.

WILLIAMS: I'll tell you what. She didn't cough.

WILLIAMS: All right. No earpiece.

Up next, it's one of the most fascinating stories in American history, the story of Flight 93. Our own Dana Perino went to Shanksville, Pennsylvania, yesterday, where that plane went down 15 years ago. It's been that long. You've got to stay tuned for her extremely powerful, emotional piece. It's sure to change your perspective. We'll be back in a moment.

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PERINO: On Sunday, America will commemorate the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. And yesterday, I had a chance to do something I've always wanted to do: visit the Flight 93 memorial in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

The bravery -- bravery of the passengers and crew members of that flight can still stop me in my tracks. When they got word that a plane had crashed into the Pentagon, they knew the hijackers weren't taking them back to the airport, so they decided to act.

Then, bonded by patriotism, faith and courage, they rushed the cockpit and saved untold numbers of people. And I always wonder if I'd have been able to do the same. I hope so, but I don't know. Here's their story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

PERINO: Thanks for having us to this amazing memorial. I've always wanted to come, because having worked in Washington and having had so many friends working in the Capitol at the time, this flight to me makes me extremely emotional.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you think about the brave actions of these men and women on that particular morning, it really kind of culminates with this tremendous 2,200-acre memorial.

PERINO: I wonder if you could maybe show me a little bit of how this turned out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'd be honored to do so.

Here along the flight path, it shows at 8:46, American Airlines Flight 11. This was the first plane that went into the tower, and it was at this point throughout America, I think we could all agree that people really weren't sure what was happening.

United Airlines Flight 175 collided with the South Tower at precisely 9:03:02. So, I think at that point, we all knew that America was really under attack.

The men and women on Flight 93 had the ability to communicate with loved ones and others from the outside, so they were receiving information in real-time. They looked at one another and said, "We're not going back to an airport."

PERINO: And it is at the site of that boulder, which is where it finally crashed.

Kenny, thanks for being willing to talk to me. Your brother was on the flight.

KENNY NACKE, BROTHER OF JOEY NACKE: Yes. Louis Joseph Nacke II. We called him Joey.

PERINO: So, this is the final resting place.

NACKE: Yes. This is where I truly believe the spirit of the 40 heroes of Flight 93 are.

PERINO: What heroes.

NACKE: It just amazes me that 40 different individuals from all walks of life had an opportunity. They were put in such a situation that no one is trained for. People coming together, getting the information, putting it together.

And then the most democratic thing we have in our country is our right to vote, and they vote on a plan.

PERINO: While terrorists are...

NACKE: Are watching it.

PERINO: ... piloting their plane.

NACKE: And then they kick it off. They execute the plan, and they prevent that plane from striking its intended target. I don't think when they started their assault that they thought they were going to lose.

PERINO: No.

NACKE: I think they had all the drive in to go home and have dinner with their families.

PERINO: President Bush said it was the first act of counterterrorism in the war on terror.

GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: With their brave decision, they launched the first counteroffensive of the war on terror. The most likely target of the hijacked plan was the United States Capitol. We'll never know how many innocent people might have been lost.

NACKE: First battle won, because they didn't reach their intended target.

PERINO: Right.

NACKE: They took their lives, their destiny in their own hands, and they said, "Not today, not tomorrow, not ever."

PERINO: Do you feel pride?

NACKE: Oh, more than that. It's hard. I keep waiting for Joey and all of them to walk out of the trees, and they'll dust themselves off.

PERINO: You said you shed your last tear.

NACKE: I did, didn't I?

Joey was an amazing dad, husband, brother, cousin, and friend.

PERINO: And patriot.

NACKE: Yes.

PERINO: Citizen.

NACKE: Very well said.

PERINO: This is him.

NACKE: Yes, that's him. You know, it's -- I always come by here, I rub my -- my hand back and forth, just to let him know I'm here.

PERINO: I'm here with Park Ranger Robert Franz. What is the most frequently asked question that you get?

ROBERT FRANZ, PARK RANGER: Why did we fill in that impact site? Because when the FBI had finished with the investigation, it looked nothing like it did on September 11, 2001. They turned the site over to the coroner, and he looks at those large piles of dirt. He's gathered about 8 percent of the remains, but he realizes he'll never gather any more. That earth there, those piles of earth are their final resting place. So, the question, why did they fill it in? Well, that's why.

PERINO: It's sacred ground.

FRANZ: It is.

PERINO: One of the things President Bush said in 2011 is that we have a duty to remember and a duty to live.

BUSH: We have a duty beyond memory. We have a duty to live our lives in a way that upholds the ideals for which the men and women gave their lives.

PERINO: You probably have younger people come. How do you help them understand the importance of the site and the historical significance of it?

FRANZ: I hope to plant a seed, because one day, I say, I won't be here to tell the story. And hopefully, one day, one of them will be, because it's a story that has to be told.

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PERINO: That was a really remarkable experience and a very emotional day. Joey Nacke would have been 57 years old today. And so, I want to thank Kenny again for opening up and sharing that with me. And you can see the full interview. We have that up on our Facebook page, because he just opens up and it's very raw.

And I realize, Eric, that 15 years later, he's still grieving. And it was really hard to -- hard to be there. But I thought it was important to go.

BOLLING: Yes. Fantastic package. Good job.

And you've been saying that for years, you wanted to get to that place. I think during our road trip, you said is there a way to get there, and we just couldn't work it out, but you got there.

Look, that represents what America's all about. Yes, you can attack us, you can hit us, but we'll never forget; and we will end up winning this fight. And it's just heart-warming and wrenching to see it happen. Heart- warming to see the people who were affected by it, so many of us were, still holding out and still having that much emotion 15 years later.

PERINO: A couple of things that I didn't really remember, Greg, was that there were only four terrorists on that plane, because one had been turned away, because an INS agent at the airport had said there was something funny about him, a look in his eye.

And so I asked, well, what happened to him, because they didn't arrest him. Guess what? He leaves. We eventually picked him up on the battleground in Afghanistan, and he's at Guantanamo Bay.

GUTFELD: Mm-hmm, which means he'll be...

PERINO: Released by Obama.

GUTFELD: ... out soon.

I think the biggest story for me on 9/11 will always be Flight 93, because to me, it's the single most heroic event in my lifetime; and it's an event that you could actually map your behavior after.

I've said this before. Think like 93, in any situation like that. When you risk your life, it is better to die crushing the throat of a jihadist than frozen in fear.

And I was with a musician last night. We were talking about Bataclan and how so many people stood frozen, A, in disbelief, and didn't really believe that they were being killed. And they didn't run, and they didn't know what to do.

I think a great thing to do would be to do kidnap truthers, just in the middle of night, kidnap a truther and fly him out there and force him through this.

PERINO: I love the idea that they voted.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yes. I mean, it's so -- and of course, "Let's roll." It was Todd Beamer and that whole language, and it's just...

PERINO: His child is 15 years old this year.

WILLIAMS: Well, I was just going to ask you about the kids. We were talking before about children. What did you learn there?

PERINO: Well, they -- they expect that this memorial, Kimberly, about 3,000 people to gather. But what's interesting in talking to Kenny is that the family -- there's only 33 passengers and 5 crew, that those families have actually, because they have a shared grief and a shared experience, they come together, not just on 9/11, but they'll be together on Sunday.

GUILFOYLE: It's really heart-warming, and it just, you know, reminds me again how great this country is, how brave. And the people that were on that flight, they weren't thinking about gender. They weren't thinking about race or religion. They were united in a desire to save lives. And it's just so much of what's beautiful about this country and about what we should focus on for the future and become more united and think about these moments, you know, these opportunities.

PERINO: Let me add One More Thing.

GUILFOYLE: To heal.

PERINO: We're going to go now, next. I just want to remind people, so at this memorial, you can actually pick up and listen to recorded phone calls from -- there were about 15 phone calls that were made. Only three -- well, there were four, but they have three recordings that you can pick up and listen.

And it's not like you're just going to pass by Shanksville on your way somewhere. You have to make an effort to go there. Some people I found there said it was on their bucket list. Just go. It actually helps you understand what it was like. And I think it can make us better people and inspire us going forward.

Again, you can see my entire interview with Kenny Nacke and my tour of the visitors center in Shanksville on our Facebook page, at Facebook.com/TheFiveFNC. And there will be more of our remembrance of September 11 right after this break.

GUILFOYLE: Great job.

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GUTFELD: Continuing now with our remembrances of September 11, 15 years later. Most of us were in New York. You were in the air, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I was in the air. I was on American Airlines, and we had -- I'd just taken off from Rome and was heading to New York City. And they rerouted our plane, had to stop in London, you know, for a week. Couldn't get back.

And it was horrible, because people, the pilot, his voice was shaking, he was like terrified. They weren't sure that our flight was compromised or not. And just the idea, you felt like you were never going to get back to the country, that you were never going to see anyone that you loved. And it just seemed like the end of the world. Like America was under the attack, and you didn't know what was going to happen, you know, next, and you looked around on the plane and you didn't know. You didn't know if you were one of the ones when they said one tower went down and then the next.

It was just -- it was a very difficult time. But I did see the international community, when we were in London, people were so lovely about what had happened to the Americans and those that had fallen and lost their lives.

GUTFELD: Juan.

WILLIAMS: I was in D.C. and working, and I must tell you, things that struck me afterwards: one, seeing armed soldiers everywhere on the streets of the nation's capital. The kind of fear. Dana told you that plane was headed for the capital, but then the fear at the State Department, the White House, everywhere.

But you know, one final thought that was kind of encouraging, which is so many flags. I don't care where you were, what kind of neighborhood, urban, rural, we were all Americans ready to fight.

GUTFELD: Yes, what happened?

WILLIAMS: In the spirit of that flight, that day. I was just -- I've never been so moved by that kind of patriotic impulse.

GUTFELD: Eric.

BOLLING: So, I worked at the World Trade Center. Went in that day, heard all about what was going on. Didn't realize it was terror. When I got to the -- this side of the water, this side from New Jersey, I saw people walking. I'll never forget this image. People fully, completely white, like they were clay. Like they were -- they were stone. And they were -- because they were drenched in ashes. Right? And they were just walking, even their briefcase, stone-faced, getting on trains.

I saw what happened. I saw people literally jumping out of the window. I got back on the boat, went across to New Jersey, took the train back home, got my 3-year-old son out of preschool and my wife and just cried.

GUILFOYLE: Terrible.

BOLLING: Just broke down. And in fact, lost 16 colleagues in the attack.

PERINO: I think it might be just worth pointing out two things. I want to thank two entities of the federal government. First, the National Park Service, which they run the Flight 93 memorial in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, the park services. That's the only one that they have, and it is remarkable. And they deserve a lot of credit.

Also, the TSA. I know we complain about the TSA, but before 9/11, there was a lot of ability to just walk on a plane and be able to do all sorts of things to use planes as weapons and to kill innocent people. So I want to thank the TSA for what you do. It's not easy, and we're sorry that we complain.

GUTFELD: I know we've got to go, but I was here in New York, but I'd rather look forward, because I know events always get refined over time. Technology will enhance terror. It's not an if, it's a when, and it will be an act that will make 9/11 probably look much smaller.

PERINO: But hopefully our technology also improves so that we can fight it better, too. How about that.

GUILFOYLE: And the robots.

GUTFELD: "One More Thing" is up next.

PERINO: OK.

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BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." I'll go very quickly. Got a massive phone call just before the show. St. Martin's Press called, and check it out. "Wake Up, America," 103,000 copies, hardcover, sold. Ten thousand e- books sold. Thank you very much, everyone. Thank you, St. Martin's Press.

And tomorrow, I'm going hard, "Cashin' In." We're going to go hard on Kaepernick. Check it out, 11:30 tomorrow morning.

PERINO: You bought a jersey?

BOLLING: I bought that three years ago when they were in the Super Bowl. He was in the Super Bowl, remember that?

GUILFOYLE: Are you going to me?

BOLLING: All right, K.G. They want me to move it along.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you. All right. So I have something very special to talk about, because tomorrow the public's invited to a special event at Arlington National Cemetery to hear Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel Nicole Mann discuss her journey to become a NASA astronaut.

Mann will present her wings to the Gold Star family of Lt. Valerie Cappelaere Delaney, a Navy fighter pilot who lost her life at the age of 26 during a 2013 training mission.

I have much more information about this event on my Facebook page and encourage you to go to that page and to The Five page to see Dana's package.

BOLLING: Dana, you're up.

PERINO: So check this out: virtual loco motion. Check this out. It is a one-day event of a breast cancer walk. All across the nation. You can do it anywhere in your neighborhood. It's going to benefit the American cancer society to find life-saving breast cancer research. They caught up with Jasper and put him up in this getup. And I said, "Yes, sure, we can make Jasper into a breast cancer research warrior."

So check it out. Virtual loco motion. You can even do this in your own neighborhood.

GUILFOYLE: He seems to like it.

BOLLING; Very good. Let me get Greg in here. Go ahead.

GUTFELD: All right. Tomorrow night, 10 p.m., my show, I've got Tyrus. I've got Nick Searcy from "Justified." It's going to be good.

And this.

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GUTFELD: Greg's Crime Corner.

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GUTFELD: All right. Check out this tape. You're going to see this guy, 26-year-old Brian Lopez, walk in and steal from this woman in a wheelchair, Maria Vazquez. She's 93 years old.

BOLLING: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: Just walked in, took her money, and left. He was caught. He was caught, but I want to point out, this is an evil man. But what makes him even more evil, guess.

GUILFOYLE: Man bun!

GUTFELD: Man bun. So this should cause everybody to cut off their man buns.

BOLLING: Juan.

GUILFOYLE: If you see him, what do you do?

WILLIAMS: All right. So beginning this Sunday at 8 a.m. and continuing until November 8, election, FOX News Channel will have a special report with Bret Baier. The show will be a weekly in-depth focus on the 2016 election, presidential, Senate, and House races, and of course, Bret will have his all-star panel.

BOLLING: All right. That should be a good one. Make sure you catch that one, as well.

Have a great weekend, everybody. Stay right there. "Special Report," next.

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