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Trump immigration speech breakdown

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 1, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Boling and Melissa Francis, "The Five."

He went from soft to hard in four hours. I speak of Donald Trump, giving his first big speech on immigration after that trip to Mexico. Comparing both events it was pure good cop/bad cop. First the good.

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DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I happen to have a tremendous feeling for Mexican-Americans, not only in terms of friendships, but in terms of the tremendous numbers that I've employed in the United States, and they are amazing people, amazing people. I have many friends, so many friends… spectacular, spectacular, hard-working people. I have such great respect for them, and their strong values of family, faith, and community.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Well, that was nice. Oh, wait, here comes the bad cop.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: We will build a great wall along the southern border and Mexico will pay for the wall. They don't know it yet, but they're going to pay for the wall.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Well, that was fast. Mexico didn't even get its one phone call. But maybe this is how negotiations work. You say one thing here and another thing there. It's old school autocrat. Visit a country and you're gracious, back home, you're a strongman on steroids. But behind the scenes you offer the Mexican president a discount on the wall.

But last night, Trump actually gave specifics that most countries take for granted and opened with the wall -- that's his stairway to heaven, his big hit. But he also cited the awful visa system and talked about expanding ICE.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: We are going to suspend the issuance of visas to any place where adequate screening cannot occur. I call it extreme vetting, right? Extreme vetting. I want extreme... countries from which immigration will be suspended would include places like Syria and Libya.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: The shift was clear. Immigration reform means plugging the leak first. He brought up quizzing immigrants on honor killings, women and gay rights.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: Another reform involves new screening tests for all applicants, an ideological certification to make sure that those we are admitting to our country share our values and love our people! Applicant will be asked for their views about honor killings, about respect for women and gays and minorities added towards on radical Islam.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Of course, the left will call this religious persecution. But how come they only defend religion when it hurts our country?

Then there's vintage Donald.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: Within ICE, I am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in America who have evaded justice, just like Hillary Clinton has evaded justice, OK.

Maybe they'll be able to deport her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Oh, my goodness.

GUTFELD: It's a joke. I think.

And it was indeed a speech, but also a rally before the converted. Did he win over anyone that he hadn't won already or did he undo the sheer brilliance of his stately Mexican visit? The media says he didn't pivot, which we aren't used to.  Me? I dug the specifics, I asked for them.

But after a year of bad blood, have the people who should be listening, are they already moved on or are they just tuning in?

Either way, at least we got new hats.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: Well, I'll tell you what, I'm going to put this hat on.

(APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Why do they have to be white? Racists.

GUILFOYLE: Some are red.

GUTFELD: They are beautiful hats. Let's make Mexico great again, also. That's a stroke of brilliance, right, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean, come on. Why not? But it shows inclusive and that we're working together as a team. I loved the speech yesterday when he was there, when he was with Pena Nieto. I thought that was excellent. This obviously was a rally cry to let them, hey, the Donald Trump candidacy for the presidency of the United Sates is not dead. It's alive and kicking. So, he's there giving the specifics.

He's taking up all the air time. Nobody has like heard from Hillary. Maybe we'll get a Christmas card, we're not sure, but it's unbelievable. He's driving the momentum, the energy, the focus. He's the one that showed up to help the families that were suffering terribly, you know, with the floods. He's the one that accepted the invitation to Mexico and he's the one telling you the specifics of people like yourself have asked for. I ask you, Greg, has it caused you to reconsider?

GUTFELD: Yeah, I'm always grateful, I'm just wondering if it's too late, but I think its -- I'm glad, and he also mentioned a few things that he hadn't mentioned before. So, I'm always happy to hear those things. Eric, I thought it was also very smart that he pretended that he might go soft, but instead he went hard.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Did he pretend or did we all speculate that he would just play it safe? He had a great morning. He had a great afternoon with Pena Nieto. Everyone said, in fact, I think it went here at the table, he said, you know he should just take those five points and you know, go into the speech and he'll crush it.

GUTFELD: I didn't want him to do the speech.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: I think what he did -- I think it was a stroke of brilliance. So, he's stately over there. People are different when they're in a foreign country, when you're being diplomatic. You should be different when you're being diplomatic. And when he came home, he went vintage, as you point out, Donald Trump. He hit the 10-point plan that so many people have been asking for. Get specific on everything, and he did. On deportation, on criminal aliens here, on visa programs -- that was big, that visa program.

GUTFELD: Yeah, it's always been a problem.

BOLLING: So he's going to go aggressively go after people who jump their visas, send them back, send the criminals back. I thought the speech and the policy and the meat of the speech was fantastic. I think he solidified his base vote. I think what he did earlier in the day actually helped him with moderates or let's call them independent or undecided, or at least undecided, at least they can see another side of it. I thought it was fantastic.

By the way, if you have any questions, I'm going ahead on "The O'Reilly Factor" tonight and I'll ask him.

GUILFOYLE: Nice plug. Nice plug.

BOLLING: Well, it's more than a plug though because I think there is a question somewhere in there where you said you're going to deport, but define deport. Under Obama's deportation rule, if you stop someone at the border and tell them to go back, that's a deportation. So, if you have 11 million illegal who aren't criminals here and they get to an embassy.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: Or they get to a safe place or an area.

GUTFELD: What happens?

BOLLING: Can they go there and then apply for citizenship there? And is that they left and they came back in? They beat us. We'll ask him.

GUTFELD: Good question. So, what about the -- you keep hearing about his Hispanic advisers. I'm not sure how many, I mean, how will this play with the Hispanics? Did he just write the entire group off?

MELISSA FRANCIS, FOX BUSINESS NEWS CORRESPONDENT: I think he's a genius of what he did yesterday. It's classic inkblot politics that we saw. You know, depending on what you were watching because I do think -- you know, I watched both things live -- and I thought his speech in the middle of the day was very presidential, much softer as you said. And if you watched later, he went back to the screaming crowd and sort of the red meat, which by the way, I mean people were screaming in that crowd. You never hear that from Hillary Clinton, so much...

GUTFELD: Well, it's his choir.

FRANCIS: It is his choir but when she gets her choir together, they're not hysterical like that. I mean, you guys have so much...

GUTFELD: You can look back to President Obama, candidate Obama having that kind of effect.

FRANCIS: Yes, also had in (inaudible). OK, so I think he did the inkblot thing. I do think all politicians say one thing in front of one group, one thing in front of another. For example, Hillary Clinton when she's giving a speech to Goldman Sachs or she's standing in front of (inaudible) who gave her and her husband $1 million in various speeches. When she says something I'm sure that's very nice about Wall Street and the banks and how they're the lifeline of the economy and finance is so wonderful. And then she goes out and she bashes evil banks and, you know, we're going to tax the hell out of them and they're either (inaudible) and they're awful when she talks to another crowd and everybody knows it's all about the audience. So, there you go, inkblot politics.

GUTFELD: Juan, so when he plays to the audience like that and you hear the cheers, that's all he's getting. Is he getting anybody else? He has to work on a year of antagonism, with the Hispanic vote. Is it too late?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, let's answer your first question which is that what he appeared to do yesterday, which you guys were saluting so aggressively. You say, hey, he went down there, he looked presidential, he took the initiative by beating Hillary Clinton to take the trip to Mexico. This was outreach.

This was saying, hey listen, if you had doubts about his temperament, about his ability to deal as an American leader on an international stage, here's Donald Trump. So that's what you guys saluted (ph). Well then, within hours, the story began to shift. Oh, yeah, he did talk about the wall, and yes, President Pena Nieto said no, I'm not paying for a wall, where Donald says he didn't bring it up. Now, it looks like he lied about it.

BOLLING: No, no...

WILLIAMS: NO, let me finish.

BOLLING: Clarify that Juan...

WILLIAMS: Hang on -- he certainly did. So let me finish. So then he goes down to Phoenix and he gives a speech and the speech absolutely repels the Latino community. So, you had people who were on his Latino or Hispanic advisory council, who I think in specific here, Jacob Monty, National Hispanic Advisory Council, they were trying to get him to be more reasonable. They were willing to play ball with Donald Trump. Now they're quitting, resigning. They're not necessarily going over to Hillary, but they're gone. So Eric yesterday was saying to me, oh, you know what? They're going to bump up the numbers with the Latino community. Forget about that. Outreach, zero. And where the Clinton campaign...

GUTFELD: You guys have to make a bet on that.

WILLIAMS: We did. We did already. And then the Clinton campaign, what did the Clinton campaign do? Clinton campaign says, oh, you know what? We're just going to retweet Ann Coulter, we're going to retweet David Duke, because they're the biggest people who loved that speech last night when you're talking about a deportation task force, when you're talking about kicking out people. I mean, most Republicans don't believe that we should be kicking out people. But that's Donald Trump so, no pivot, no change. The guy you knew is the guy you got.

BOLLING: I can't use (ph) to clarify that he didn't lie about it. They didn't discuss Mexico paying for the wall.

GUILFOYLE: Didn't come up.

BOLLING: They discussed the wall. Trump even sat in front of the guy, there's going to be a wall.

WILLIAMS: No, no, pay for the wall.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: All right, here's what John Podesta said. Not just...

BOLLING: Clinton's Podesta?

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes. Not just a case that he choked in the room. He came out of it and lied about it. That's what he did.

BOLLING: Well, Pena Nieto clarified a comment that he made right afterwards.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. You know what, you guys are really up a tree. You guys are up a tree. Its okay, it's okay.

GUTFELD: I mean, I guess my point is I can't see after that speech Hispanics going hey, you know what, now I like him. I just don't see that. So I'm wondering is there enough white people left that he can get so they can write off everybody else

GUILFOYLE: I think he wouldn't be -- I think you guys are in for a surprise here, because you know, I mean, you're talking about my people. I'm telling you that so many of the Hispanics that I talk to and African-Americans are Trump supporters. I think you're underestimating what he's been able to accomplish. And prepare yourself.

GUTFELD: I mean the polls don't show that.

GUILFOYLE: Well that's not true. There are new polls even out even now and it shows also that...

GUTFELD: Among blacks and Hispanics?

GUILFOYLE: ...American-born Hispanics, a Rasmussen poll out as well. I'm saying just let it, give it a moment to breathe and see what happens.

WILLIAMS: Here's what Gary -- you know what Gary Johnson, who was our guest recently, said oh, how is this going to work? He's going to put this people, this 5,000 more ICE people, this deportation task force, are they going to go door to door into Mexico hunting down Latinos?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: The interesting thing though, when they poll -- when voters are presented a choice, a system that allows illegals a path, they're overwhelmingly for that and they're against deportation.

WILLIAMS: Right.

GUTFELD: So, how do you deal with that?

BOLLING: When you're in a foreign country and you go to the U.S. embassy in a foreign country, you're on U.S. land. You're not on foreign country land anymore. You're in U.S. territory, right? So if you set up -- let's call them deport -- Mexican deportation stations within the United States, and an illegal who is here with a family says, you know, I've been here for five years, I'm paying taxes.

I just want to be a United States citizen. They go to this island within the United States. You're technically on Mexican land again, right? You've been deported and you go back to the society. I mean, that's a way, and why is that so bad? That's a very friendly way and nice way to do it.

WILLIAMS: I love it when you make these things up. I'm not hearing this from the candidate, but you're talking about like -- not quite, but what most people talk about and that's (inaudible) call touch-back, where they would have to go before they come back. Most people know that's not -- by the way, when you were talking about five years or so, do you know that in fact most of the illegal immigrants have been here more than 10 years and like 20 percent have been here more than 20 years. I mean they are neighbors and co-workers

FRANCIS: I think we all agree that this is the diciest part of the issue.

GUTFELD: Yeah, and it might not be a winning issue according to that poll. All right, coming up, more reaction to Trump's immigration agenda including from his Democratic opponent and some of his strongest critics who have got some surprising remarks, stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back to "The Five" continuing coverage of Donald Trump's immigration speech from last night. After his visit to Mexico, Hillary Clinton responded with this tweet. She said, "Trump just failed his first foreign policy test -- his first foreign test I guess -- diplomacy isn't as easy as it looks." but even some Trump's harshest critics are praising him for his day yesterday.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Here he is standing on the world stage with a world leader. This is something -- Trump took charge naturally. He walked off the stage as the dominant guy. He pulled it off and I think he really helped himself.

STEVE HAYES, THE WEEKLY STANDARD COLUMNIST: I think this is actually the single best day of the general election campaign for Donald Trump. What you saw today was Trump not only standing with a would-be ally or an ally, a traditional ally, but an ally whose citizens he's basically attacked again and again and again for the better part of the last year, and to pull it off.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right, Mr. Juan Williams, so Steve Hayes and Charles Krauthammer, who I just spent a lot of TV time with, who've come around to Trump at least yesterday.

WILLIAMS: What? No, I think what they said was they thought Trump had a good showing and Mexico...

BOLLING: And you don't? And they said best day.

GUILFOYLE: It was the best day of his...

WILLIAMS: Look, that was before the speech. That was before a whole controversy about did he lie about getting Pena Nieto to pay for the wall and did they discuss it or not. But I think they're right, I mean, I think that's what you guys were saying to me yesterday. Trump looked like he was on the world stage and carried it off.

GUILFOYLE: And found it.

WILLIAMS: To my mind, it was a low bar because I mean, what we were fearing -- I think everybody especially Republicans were fearing was somebody is going to throw a shoe at that guy. Somebody is going to curse him out and it's going to be a mess down there, why did he g down there. He took a risk. Well, you know what? You take a risk and he was rewarded. He had a good time in Mexico City. He comes back, though, and he just -- I think he just threw water on his momentary fire.

GUTFELD: The one thing -- it's important thing about the risk because he had, you know, he didn't want to do it. And there were a few of his advisers that didn't want to, but he did it anyway. And I think that's important, because if he had not have done that, I think it would have been a real bummer for him. I think it really added a lot. Hillary's tweet, she is kicking herself over this. I mean she saw that he...

FRANCIS: Well, where is she?

GUILFOYLE: Raising money.

GUTFELD: He's setting the agenda now for -- now, she's got to respond to these issues, because he's way ahead.

WILLIAMS: Wait, wait, wait, respond to what? He didn't persuade anybody.

GUTFELD: But no, by going to Mexico, she's like, people are going, where were you?  BOLLING: How off is that tweet?

GUILFOYLE: So off!

BLLING: ...policy isn't that easy. He just crushed it.

GUILFOLYLE: And somebody had to wake up rip Van Winkle Clinton-stein and say hey, listen to me. What are you thinking? This guy just crushed it. You had an opportunity just like you had an opportunity to go and talk to the people that are suffering that lost their homes and everything that they held near and dear to their hearts.

Like, he went there and showed like he has an interest in governing and talking about solutions and getting things done. And what she's doing is interested in getting more Clinton cash, whether it's fund-raising or for the global initiative. They're very good at getting other people's money. But what else can you do?

FRANCIS: Well, I mean the money is pretty fantastic and they're the best at raking it in. I've never seen anyone monetize politics the way they did. She was reduced to tweeting, which like you said. Looked like sour grapes but every time we don't see her in the limelight, it's because she's off at another fabulous fund-raiser raking in like $140 million last month, something like that.

Trump raked in $5 million yesterday and Wednesday alone. Based on this, if you look at the donors, people liked what they saw during the day. But she's using all of that money to hammer him and I wonder what is the dominant strategy? He's looking better in the polls, but she's really got all that cash to spend in big states.

BOLLING: Once around the table, what is she doing? She's sitting back, she's not aggressive. She's not out there. She had some, I don't know, ranting speech yesterday. She didn't look and she didn't sound good. Is she just trying to ride the clock out?

GUTFELD: I think she looks -- for example, she doesn't do press conferences. To her, that's like a colonoscopy. It's like an invasive procedure and you don't do it unless you necessarily have to.

GUILFOYLE: Unless she's like (inaudible).

GUTFELD: Well, that's...

GUILFOYLE: Just wrong (ph).

BOLLING: Interesting. She's continued to lay back like this.

FRANCIS: I think that this is a definite strategy. If you look at the way that every other race has gone for her, she's way out ahead. And then the more people see her up close, the more speeches she makes, the more hand she shakes, the more babies she kissed, the closer it gets and the more she falls behind. I think this is a concerted effort to keep her out of the press and out of the limelight that she stands up, she does a speech. They take little snippets. Nobody takes it full because it's really boring and people click away from it. So, I think that they keep her under wraps for as long as they possibly can. And maybe that's smarter.

BOLLING: How can that be smart? You want to do one. Why do we play preseason football games and baseball? We play preseason so you could practice for the real deal, right? She's not even practicing.

GUILFOYLE: It's pretty shocking.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: There are two things to say -- please. But there are two things to say here. One is that people click and people turn on to Donald Trump, Melissa, to your point, because they think this guy is out of control. It's right. You don't know what he's going to say. It's so entertaining and so fascinating. You can't turn him off, right? Okay, but the result is not that people come away thinking boy, that's someone I trust to be my president in charge of my country's military. No. Yesterday, the president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, you know, these are people with conservative values you'd think with possible ground.

BOLLING: The Chamber of Commerce is conservative?

WILLIAMS: Yes, it is, this is the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. In any case, less conservative than our normal Chamber of Commerce, but yes. And Javier Palermo says, he calls the guy a payaso, a clown. A complete clown is what he judged the performance he has today at the base (ph). I'm just telling you...

BOLLING: I wouldn't put them in the conservative camp.

WILLIAM: OK, I'm just telling. Tim Kaine said this was amateur hour. That's what he said this morning on NBC.

FRANCIS: What else is he going to say?

(CROSSTALK)

FRANCIS: Isn't that what you would expect from Tim Kaine?

WILLIAMS: No. I would expect -- Tim Kaine is a pretty honest guy.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, come on!

WILLIAMS: Liste, I'm telling you...

GUILFOYLE: He's trying to get in the White House.

WILLIAMS: The Clinton people yesterday, after what happened in Mexico City, people like Howard Wilson said, "If this is what we were looking for, a pivot from Donald Trump, he just had a winning moment, a great time." But it was after the lie is revealed, after the speech, which he just throws everything out the window.

FRANCIS: We weren't saying that after the early time. When we were out there after -- in Mexico, you said it was all about that president being nice to him.

WILLIAMS: It was. The president was very courteous, hospitable. As I said, it was a low bar. Nobody threw a shoe at him. Nobody cursed him out...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my god. Juan, you know better than that! You know better than that.

BOLLING: Next, new trouble for Hillary over emails. Evidence reveals Clinton sent top secret email material from her private server after she left the State Department. Details when we return.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: How ironic is this? Yesterday, Hillary Clinton was preaching about cyber security.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You've seen reports Russia's hacked into a lot of things, China has hacked into a lot of things. Russia even hacked into the Democratic National Committee. Maybe even some state election systems. So, we've got to step up our game. As president, I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyber-attacks just like any other attack. We will be ready with serious political, economic, and military responses.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Let's start with your server, shall we? Well, at the same time, we're learning she continued to send classified material over email using her unsecured server after leaving the State Department. It's true Juan. What is the excuse for this?

WILLIAMS: I don't think there's any excuse. I mean, I don't buy into the use if the server anyway. I never understood it but I guess, I mean, one argument among people who are reporters is she's trying to avoid the Freedom of Information Act. Another argument would be that she simply wanted her own way of communicating with her people and was going to hide it. I don't know, but I just think it was a mistake and I think she's acknowledged it was a mistake. But I appreciate your point, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Which is?

WILLIAMS: Which is there she is talking about the cyber threat.

GUILFOYLE: Which is the irony of it all, the hypocrisy.

WILLIAMS: The other part of -- this is an inside baseball thing among the Democrats -- is that you have people right now, including in the Clinton campaign, who are critical of President Obama for not going after the Russians more aggressively for what they see as having hacked the DNC and the potential for embarrassment come October, you know, if the Russians want to embarrass Hillary Clinton.

GUILFOYLE: And are those people also disappointed and upset with Hillary Clinton's reckless judgment regarding our national security, Juan?

WILLIAMS: No. I think overwhelmingly Democrats -- I mean, I just tell you what the polls very clearly show. Democrats don't care about this issue.  But it is damaging with independents. I think it's damaging to the point of damnation with Republicans who see her as, you know, as FBI director Comey said, having been reckless.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

WILLIAMS: But a lot of this has to do with the fact that, you know, people who don't like her and have questions about her largely focus on trustworthiness, honesty, see her as -- and her husband as always pushing a little too far. And this brings us back to...

GUILFOYLE: The donation envelope.

WILLIAMS: Yes. This brings us back to our conversation about the foundation.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

WILLIAMS: I think you see Democrats now saying, "Hey, it was a bad idea, close it down. You've got to get out of this, Hillary."

GUILFOYLE:  All right. Well, instead, they'll just going to put another Clinton in charge. Bolling.

BOLLING: I'm still trying to figure out why 33,000 emails were OK to delete, not only delete but delete them to the point where even, according to the Bleach bit or Trey Gowdy, even God couldn't bring them back if he wanted to.

I mean, isn't -- that's evidence, right? If you're going to say, "Look, I'll turn over 30,000," which she did, and then they found 15,000 more. At least hold the 33,000 that you don't want to turn over in a place where you can keep them and you need to turn -- put them on a zip file.

WILLIAMS: Look, I don't know. I mean, my sense of this is...

GUILFOYLE: Unless you want to avoid justice.

BOLLING: You're hiding something.

GUILFOYLE: It's moral consciousness of guilt. That's a jury instruction.

WILLIAMS: Wow. That's pretty harsh. I mean, I think...

GUILFOYLE: That's the law.

WILLIAMS: Let's just go with what the lady said, which is that it was her private and personal email. I don't know.

BOLLING: So trust her on this? Even though you (CROSSTALK).

WILLIAMS: As Jim Comey, as the FBI, as the State Department, as everybody has said, she was within her right to do it. I just -- I agree with you.  If I'm conspiracy minded, I'm saying, "Hey, how come these things were gone for all time"? I know if you or I...

BOLLING: If we were running for president...

WILLIAMS: ... these people would recover all our email in an instant, let me tell you that.

FRANCIS: I think it's rich to have her up there, talking on the national stage talking about how we need to be -- she's going to be really tough on cyber security.

In one hand, she's acting like she knows something about computer computers and technology and securing our state. On the other hand, she thinks you wipe a server with a cloth. She doesn't know anything about emails. Her emails are so boring.

I mean, she can't have it both ways. She's either an idiot or she's fit to be in charge of our national security when it comes to cyber threats. And she's already said, "I didn't know anything. I didn't know any better. I didn't have the intent." So the opposite of the intent is she's just an idiot about technology, and...

GUILFOYLE: Well, I wouldn't say "idiot."

FRANCIS: ... now she's -- well, she says she doesn't know. You know, she didn't know she was supposed to save all those things. She didn't know.  And when it's clear the reason why she wanted to have all those things on her private server is because there was a trail of people like Doug Band saying, "Hey, listen, this guy is trying to get in the State Department through the front door. He can't get in the front, and he can't get in.  He's a special friend." I mean, they always use the same phrase, which meant they had given millions of dollars. And then that person was ushered right in to the access they wanted.

It's supposed to be the party of the little people. But instead they're the party of the big donors. Here's your access; pay for it. And even Donna Brazile says, that's just the way it works. So that's it. That's how the Democrats work.

WILLIAMS: Wait, that's how politics work.

FRANCIS: It was Democrats standing up saying that's how it works.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

WILLIAMS: I believe it's how.

FRANCIS: That's not OK.

GUILFOYLE: They're the ones that are under investigation. That's the problem.  

FRANCIS: That's why Donald Trump wants to throw out all the regular politicians. Let's bring in some outsiders. If all politicians from Washington take payment for access, then they should all get out, and let's put some people in who aren't running on that scale. And that's exactly why Donald Trump has been so popular, because he said, "This doesn't make any sense."

GUILFOYLE: And Gregory, you shall have the floor.

GUTFELD: Well, Clintons are always leaving things on private servers.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: The -- Hillary's warning about cyber threats is like Anthony Weiner warning against sexting. She has relinquished all authority on the topic.

But I would even go beyond her and talk about every candidate that we have come across. In the arena of cyber terror and cyber terror and the rise of artificial intelligence, we're dealing with a generational problem.  There's a lot of people that were born a while ago who don't see these as vital issues, because they didn't grow up with this stuff.

And whoever becomes president is going to have to start looking around and finding the right people from Silicon Valley, people like Elon Musk or Nick Bostrom or anybody who understands these topics. Because I don't think Trump knows it either. You can think he does. He's going to throw the bums out, but he doesn't know which bums to put in.

Hillary doesn't know jack about this. I don't know about Gary Johnson. He might. But I don't know. I just think that we're in trouble in this arena, no matter what. Until they start putting, you know, fresh blood in.

FRANCIS: OK.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Perfect.

GUTFELD: Is it really perfect?

GUILFOYLE: I thought it was pretty good.

GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE; I'm happy with it.

Directly ahead, trouble for Hillary. A brand-new FOX News poll shows Clinton's lead over Trump is shrinking. We're going to break all of it down, the numbers, next.

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WILLIAMS: Brand-new FOX News polls show Donald Trump closing in on Hillary Clinton. In the latest head-to-head matchup, Clinton now leads Trump by just six points. She had a ten-point advantage early last month.

But a sobering reality in this election. A large, 44 percent minority says both rivals are, quote, "terrible candidates."

FRANCIS: I love that part.

WILLIAMS: Terrible candidates.

FRANCIS: I love that part.

WILLIAMS: So OK, you love that. Tell me. You know, like, a curse on both their houses, Melissa?

FRANCIS: Like, I -- these are the worst candidates I've ever seen in my life. I hate both these people. I'm leaving the country. Forty-four percent of people asked felt like that.

The other question that I absolutely adored in this was the likelihood that the Clintons were selling influence to those who donated to the foundation, because obviously, I'm obsessed with the foundation. They've amassed so much money; it's such a great slush fund. Sixty-six percent of people said it was very likely or somewhat likely that they were selling influence.

You know what? I decided that I'm going to stop fighting against the foundation. When they win, I'm just going to give all my money to the foundation and buy influence and just get it. You want to go in with me?

GUILFOYLE: Well, have Greg do that. I wouldn't put it in your name.

FRANCIS: Stop fighting it. I'm just going to join it.

BOLLING: You don't need $1 billion if you have a $1 billion or $2 billion foundation with your name on it.

FRANCIS: Yes.

BOLLING: And you're flying around the country...

FRANCIS: Sweet.

BOLLING: ... writing everything off. It's -- all the expenses are going to them.

FRANCIS: I'm joining.

BOLLING: And you have the same influence as if you were a billionaire, although there may be some ties that they're doing things. If any of that money, even a dime of that money ends up in their campaign coffers somewhere...

WILLIAMS: Here's the thing. I think we have a FOX poll here on honesty and trustworthiness, Eric. Oh, maybe we don't.

FRANCIS: I can read it to you.

WILLIAMS: OK. So here it is. This is the heart and soul of it. Honest and trustworthy, Clinton 31, Trump 35. At this point, actually Trump is -- looks like he's doing better -- oh, no, there are 66 percent say she's not honest and trustworthy; 63 percent say Trump's not.

FRANCIS: He's doing better, but that's all awful.

WILLIAMS: That's what I was trying to say.

FRANCIS: It's all awful.

WILLIAMS: I think that illustrates the point.

BOLLING: You can clearly see he's doing better in the yes column. He was up by four in the yes column. There it is.

WILLIAMS: But Melissa's point is...

FRANCIS: They're all horrible people.

WILLIAMS: ... these aren't -- these aren't people you'd leave the kids with.

FRANCIS: Yes, yes. They're basically -- it's like, you know, whatever it is, so we have whatever it is, 320 million people in this country. It's down to two. So these people are horrible people who would do anything to win is basically what everybody who answered this survey said.

WILLIAMS: You know, and Trump is still struggling, K.G., with Republicans.  According the FOX poll, only 74 percent of self-identified Republicans back him. Eighty-one percent of self-identified Democrats back Clinton. But the issue in the FOX poll, and I think this is the opportunity for Trump, as he tries to bump up in the polls, is can he get more Republicans to support him?

GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, I think doing speeches like he did, you know, last night and going to Mexico like he did and going to flood-ravaged areas like he did, I think all of that are steps in the right direction. I think he is making a concerted effort to broaden his base and bring in independents and increase his numbers with women and with minorities, as well.

So I think he's doing the hard work, and now you've got to give it a chance to breathe.

WILLIAMS: All right. So Eric, let's go back to the FOX poll. One of the things they did was they broke down the issues. So they said, terrorism and economy, who do you trust more? It turns out, this is a surprise since, you know, Trump is getting closer. Now they back Clinton.

BOLLING: In terrorism. In terrorism, not the economy.

WILLIAMS: Yes, economy and it's at 48 -- oh, 48 each. You're right. What do you think?

BOLLING: Well, you're asking me about polls.

WILLIAMS: Sorry, all right.

BOLLING: Here's what I know. The crowds you see that come out for Trump are extremely energized.

GUILFOYLE: Greg's drawing a robot.

BOLLING: Happens for a long time. Those are the people who will come out.  They'll wait in line. And I'm not sure that the people who are coming out to see Hillary Clinton are the ones -- I mean, they...

WILLIAMS: OK.

BOLLING: I just think there's a vast difference in the enthusiasm level on the Republican side versus the Democrat side.

WILLIAMS: As you know, Greg is someone who will say to hell with all of them. So Greg, let me just point this out. The FOX poll says...

GUILFOYLE: Hey, Greg.

WILLIAMS: ... that basically, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are not only dishonest and not worthy of your trust, but they'll do anything to get elected.

GUTFELD: Thank God we feel that way. That's how Americans are supposed to think. That's why -- America was created based on the hatred, distrust of authority. You're not supposed to trust politicians. That's on you if you trust them. It's healthy to despise them. And I think you should always look at every politician -- never become -- never fall for a cult of personality, right? It doesn't matter how much you like somebody. They're going to let you down.

WILLIAMS: But you never trusted...

BOLLING: Obama. It was a cult of personality.

GUILFOYLE: I know. He's saying don't fall for it.

GUTFELD: Exactly. That's my point.

WILLIAMS: You never trusted a politician?

BOLLING: Trump has a cult of personality, as well, yes.

FRANCIS: No. What politician did you trust?

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh. Are you kidding? I'm old here, Melissa, but I mean, John F. Kennedy was well-loved in this country. Ronald Reagan was loved in this country by a lot of people.

GUTFELD: But JFK was well-loved after, right?

WILLIAMS: What do you mean, after?

GUTFELD: After he was assassinated.

WILLIAMS: Well, that added to it.

GUTFELD: He had a lot -- he had a lot of issues prior to that. I mean, he was dealing with some other stuff, and I think history changes the way your view.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but you don't see numbers. These numbers, Gregory, this is...

GUTFELD: I agree with you.

WILLIAMS: This is Frank Underwood territory.

FRANCIS: They'd like him better.

WILLIAMS: Up next, all eyes on Colin Kaepernick ahead of tonight's final preseason game. The 49ers face the San Diego Chargers as they host -- get this -- salute to the military night.

GUILFOYLE: Wow.

WILLIAMS: Will the quarterback protest "The Star-Spangled Banner" again?  Holy smokes. Details ahead.

GUTFELD: Is that tonight?

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FRANCIS: Talk about awkward. Colin Kaepernick's refusal to stand for the national anthem could grow even more intense night. For the first time since the controversy exploded, the San Francisco 49ers' quarterback is expected to be on the field for the annual salute to the military before his team's preseason game against the San Diego Chargers.

According to reports, the defiant NFL star says he plans to sit out during the anthem again, just like he did last week against the Packers.

All right. He's painted himself into quite a corner here. Anyone have an idea of how he could gracefully get out of this? Because now everybody is looking at him. He's said he's going to sit down. It's a really embarrassing night. It's a salute to the military. Everybody is going to stand for "The Star-Spangled Banner." Even if he wants to stand and have this whole thing be over and all this attention, there's no graceful way out.

GUTFELD: He should say, "Out of -- out of concern for my teammates, I don't want my teammates to be a target of crowd antipathy, so I'm going to stand, because I don't want them to be adversely affected by my behavior."

Again, his act -- his act against a state of oppression is permitted.  Therefore, the act is proven wrong. He is more than allowed to do this, so it's actually -- when he does it, he's proving his own point to be incorrect.

FRANCIS: It reminds me of my kids when they paint themselves into some kind of corner and you want to offer them some sort of out. K.G., what could he do? What could he do?

GUILFOYLE: Stand up. Stand up.

FRANCIS: But then he looks like he's folding on his principle and everything he did along the way.

GUILFOYLE: Believe it or not, it's true. He can say, "Listen, I don't want to be a distraction away from the game or my teammates or adversely impact them. I'm here to play football. I'm grateful to play football for an organization like the Niners," who by the way, offered to trade him and nobody wanted him. I don't think ESPN wants him, and they could use some help, too.

So I don't know what to tell you. I'm very disappointed in this. I mean, you know, the 49ers was an organization that was revered. They were one of the, like, titans and football dynasties that people have enjoyed for years, and now, I think it's like, my God, even the Raiders look better than us.

GUTFELD: Don't ever say that! I love the Oakland Raiders, but they're moving to Vegas.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. We're the bad boys of football.

WILLIAMS: I mean, I think all of you are viewing it in terms of the military. So the way he could handle it is to go and, you know, make it clear that he admires our military and the men and women who have sacrificed so much for our great country. But he has to, I think, stand by his principle, which is that, you know, the NFL, nobody -- you have a right to protest, as Greg said. So if he wants to protest, that's his protest.  I don't agree with it, but if that's what he wants to do.

FRANCIS: By the way, has anyone noticed the socks that he's been wearing?  They were making the rounds on the Internet. I think we have a picture.  Look at that, Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: Yes. They're law enforcement depicted as, I believe it's pigs.  Is that right? Yes, pigs.

So look, I'm against boycotts. I hate boycotts. I just don't believe in them. But you can, as coach, head coach, you can sit him. That's one way of -- you know, it's not a boycott. You teach him a little bit of a lesson.

WILLIAMS: Well, that's not fair.

BOLLING: To sit him?

WILLIAMS: On the basis of his politics?

GUILFOYLE: No, he's making a problem for the team.

BOLLING: Here's why -- here's why you might sit him. Because if Trent Brown, Andrew Tiller, Joe Staley or Zane Beadles, who are his offensive line, have anyone in law enforcement as a brother or a father...

GUILFOYLE: Yes, take a knee.

BOLLING: Let a defensive back just happen to get by on a back side on a quarterback.

WILLIAMS: OK. So you think everybody is not to be trusted?

GUILFOYLE: No. He's talking about the offensive. The offensive line doesn't protect the quarterback, like whoops, and then you trip on your shoelace.

BOLLING: Ole, I think they call it, ole.

WILLIAMS: I don't know. I don't know.

FRANCIS: Not sure we solved the problem, but anyway, "One More Thing" is up next.

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GUTFELD: Time for "One More Thing" -- Eric.

BOLLING: OK, a couple things. First, Dallas police chief David Brown announced his retirement. He will retire on October 22. This is the guy who so famously did so well with that big shooting in Dallas. You remember where five cops were killed.

Something you didn't know about Chief David Brown, you may not know, is his son was shot in 2010 and killed in a shootout with law enforcement.

GUTFELD: Wow.

BOLLING: But that guy is hailed as a hero. So congratulations on a wonderful career as sheriff -- I'm sorry, Police Chief David Brown.

OK, now this. This video is either -- either the running of the bulls on October 28th or all the entire MSNBC audience running over to see "The O'Reilly Factor" when I host.

GUILFOYLE: We're doing that again.

BOLLING: Donald Trump, who will call in. We'll have a discussion about some of the things we talked about today, clarify a couple of the questions that we all had at the table and you probably have, as well.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

GUTFELD: K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Cool, fantastic.

Well, I want to, especially in light of this whole deal with Colin Kaepernick and his lack of respect, I want to take the time out today to commend a group of patriots at Michigan middle school. So students at Big Rapids Middle School gathered around the flagpole on Monday, the first day of the new school year. A trumpeter played "Reveille" as they raised the American flag. Then the huge crowd of students and teachers began citing the pledge of allegiance. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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GUILFOYLE: Such a great way to show respect for our nation, for our country, for those who have fought and served so valiantly and given up their life so that we can have the freedom to express our opinion here. So well done.

GUTFELD: Time for...

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GUTFELD: "Greg's Secret to Happiness."

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GUTFELD: You know in the summertime maybe you can't afford a swimming pool? I know that I can't in New York City. You know what's equally as refreshing?

GUILFOYLE: No.

GUTFELD: Just a pool full of balls.

GUILFOYLE: Ewww.

GUTFELD: Dogs love to jump in -- look at this. Ah, how refreshing is that? Everywhere they go, they see a big thing of balls, they just jump right in. You can't resist it. It's just like water. It's just like water, without getting wet. You don't need towels. Just fill up a whole crate of balls.

GUILFOYLE: I think you should get it.

GUTFELD: Yes, I do this when I have free time.  

All right. Who's next? Juan.

WILLIAMS: Didn't we have a thing with a dog and tennis balls recently?

GUTFELD: Yes. Yes, that was yesterday.

WILLIAMS: Oh, sorry. OK. D.C.'s housing market going through the roof, and it's obviously the one property you can't buy: the White House. But what if you could buy it? Like, you know, what if Greg wanted it?

So we went to somebody and they said, "You know what? For 18 acres, 750 artifacts, 132 rooms, you can have it for $250 million." To which I thought, gee, that's low. Well, the consultant who came up with the number said that's because there are too many restrictions and regulations on the 18 acres to really give it value.

GUTFELD: All right. Quickly.

FRANCIS: You know what's better than the White House? Bears on the loose.  Take a look at this, earlier today in Pasadena, California. They love pools, too, but real water instead of the kind filled with balls.

A couple of bears on the loose making their way into people's backyards.  They were dipping in somebody's pool. Eventually they hopped in a Dumpster. What a jackpot. They're like, "This is awesome."

GUTFELD: It's a bear's paradise.

FRANCIS: "Why did we not think of this sooner? Look at this great grub."  And then one little dog comes and chases them away. How could those giant bears be afraid of that little dog?

GUTFELD: That's actually Alec Baldwin, by the way.

FRANCIS: That makes sense.

GUTFELD: Being chased by Jeremy Piven.

FRANCIS: That makes sense.

GUTFELD: Never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is up next.

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