Donald Trump strikes presidential tone in Mexico City

Republican presidential nominee meets Mexico's president ahead of key speech to clarify his immigration policy


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 31, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Melissa Francis, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City. This is "The Five."

Donald Trump is just wrapping up his closely followed meeting with Mexico President Enrique Pena Nieto, the head of his big speech on immigration tonight. Mexico's leader invited Trump south of the border. After a brief meeting, they spoke to the press. Here's Trump.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We had a very substantive direct and constructive exchange of ideas over quite a period of time. This is a humanitarian disaster. The dangerous treks, the abuse by gangs and cartels, and the extreme physical dangers, and it must be solved, it must be solved quickly, not fair to the people anywhere worldwide, you can truly say, but certainly not fair to the people of Mexico or the people of the United States.


BOLLING: And here's President Pena Nieto.


ENRIQUE PENA NIETO, MEXICO PRESIDENT: You might disagree on several issues, but your presence here, Mr. Donald Trump, shows that we do have fundamental common ground. Mr. Trump and I had an open and constructive discussion. The purpose of our meeting was to get to know each other and to exchange ideas and visions about bilateral relationship of our countries.


BOLLING: All right. KG, we'll start with you. You know, they announced this move, very risky move, because it could have gone very badly. From all appearances, it seems like it came out pretty well.


BOLLING: Muy bien.

GUILFOYLE: Muy bien.



GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: This is America.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, sorry, Greg. Is that a trigger?



GUTFELD: Only English here.

GUILFOYLE: I thought that was fantastic. Can you understand that? I thought he did an amazing job. He was presidential. He stood there at the podium and what you saw was actually Nieto agree with him and say that he did a good job. I thought that was a powerful moment, a missed opportunity for Hillary Clinton. He was on message, he was focused. He had Giuliani in there with them in session to help guide this whole very important international discussion. And I love that they came out with this partnership, that this is mutually beneficial, keeping jobs here in this hemisphere, talking about working together, that it is good for the United States of America and it is good for our partner and friend, Mexico. So that's what you want to do, you want to work together and communicate, go there directly to the source instead of the he said, she said, and sit down and talk to people to get things done.

BOLLING: Gregory, presidential. I would agree, also gutsy.


GUTFELD: This is the best thing he's probably ever done in his life. Because you know what is brilliant about this, the invitation was a formality. They didn't expect him to say yes. And he called their bluff. It's like when you say to somebody, oh, I really hope you can make it to this party because you know they're not in town. But then they change their plans and they show up. I thought that was guts. I would say this, this is the day that Donald Trump really, really grew up and became the opposite of the Donald Trump that you see tweeting and it's a bitter lesson for a lot of people. It's not just about Trump. It's about all of us. This is the opposite of tweeting. When you go on Twitter, you could be defensive, you could be catty, you can be small, and you can be petty, or you could do this. And can you go to the source and you can talk to a human being, right? And when you talk to a human being, you can't help but look better. When I was looking at this, I was going, wow, this is amazing. For the last couple of weeks, I'm so tired of the tweeting Trump, where is this Trump? We never saw it.


BOLLING: Hopefully, he hasn't tweeted in a while until after the immigration.

GUTFELD: Don't do anything today.


BOLLING: The State Department said Trump shouldn't be making this trip. Now in hindsight, wow, they're going to eat their words?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: No, obviously, he's not our president and he has no diplomatic swaying. So from a State Department's point of view, you have a citizen of the United States going over there, instead as an official of the United States, you can understand why they oppose that. But I would say that in terms of the policy which is what fascinates me, because I think he took a high risk by going over there, and I think it came off pretty well, doesn't change any minds. And on that score, I don't think so.

MELISSA FRANCIS, CO-HOST: Oh, come on, come on.


WILLIAMS: Nieto certainly didn't say oh, yeah, you know what...


BOLLING: Trump did outline the wall, he said secure the border, respect the right to build the physical border, which means a wall, there was no pushback from Nieto.

FRANCIS: Not only that, I mean, what he did was he took any sort of racist thing out of the idea of building the wall because he stood there with the president of Mexico, who agrees with him that a wall is mutually beneficial to both sides. He agreed with the president of Mexico that it made sense to secure the border, to stop illegal immigration both into and out of Mexico, to stop the flow of drug, to improve trade between these countries, and keep manufacturing within this hemisphere, manufacturing wealth here. He stood there and he agreed with Trump's basic points. He said they cleared up any past misunderstandings and that his ideas were mutually beneficial. Those were the exact words.


WILLIAMS: I think you confuse someone who is being polite to a guest with somebody who is actually in agreement with a guest. Clearly, they did not discuss Trump's calling Mexicans racist and sending criminals to the United States.


GUILFOYLE: No, no, no, he is the president of the United States -- excuse me, the president of Mexico, he can stand up for himself.

FRANCIS: Absolutely.

WILLIAMS: But he is not going to be rude to the guy.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but you know what, you are not giving him enough credit to be his own man, to represent his own country, to speak his mind, and to say what he thinks. They invited him, Trump accepted it. It was a huge missed opportunity for Hillary Clinton. And he did look presidential. I mean, sitting there, when you look at the dynamics and the optics of that, the two of them standing side-by-side, actually getting stuff done versus bobbing, weaving, and ducking press conferences. I mean, even if are you a Hillary Clinton supporter, you got to say to yourself, wow, someone looks like they are ready to show up to get stuff done.


WILLIAMS: How about this, absolutely not. This is a guy that called Trump, Mussolini, Hitler, says that kind of rhetoric that he used in attacking Mexicans is the kind of rhetoric that leads to national tragedy.


WILLIAMS: So all of being polite.


WILLIAMS: And you guys want to make this like an endorsement.

BOLLING: Hold on, hold on. After the meeting, after they discussed these five things that Trump outlined, he was still very polite in inviting Mr. Trump.


WILLIAMS: Nieto was polite. I give him credit to Nieto for being the host.


BOLLING: Will you tell me, Greg, would you agree with Juan, I am guessing you won't, that there are a lot of Hispanics out there, a lot of Latin Americans out there living in the country, who have the right to vote, and they see Nieto treat Trump with respect, and didn't push back on his wall. You don't think that will sway some votes?

GUTFELD: I don't know. I go back to my initial point which is that when people get together as opposed to being apart, they actually act like human beings.


GUTFELD: So when they are apart, he was calling him Mussolini and Hitler. You can't do that to somebody who is in your country. But, Juan...

WILLIAMS: That's right.


FRANCIS: He wouldn't invite him either.

GUTFELD: Trump has to undo a year, a year of Hispanics hating him. He needs more than just this day. I mean, he has scared them, he has angered them. So this is a positive, but this doesn't -- I don't think it changes as much as you want it to. I think he needs to do -- he has to jump into the fire a lot.


GUILFOYLE: But he kind of just did, at the beginning of the discussion and a dialogue and a conversation on that, I think he should get a lot.


GUTFELD: I am as critical as Fox News as anybody. But I would be hypocrite if I didn't give him props for this.


BOLLING: That is a very good point. He is absolutely going after the Latino vote right now, by doing this, yes. But he is also going after the independent, the people who are undecided, and hoping to see a presidential Trump.

FRANCIS: Right. And this is about calming down people in the middle who might have supported him and then were afraid, that maybe he was a racist, that maybe you couldn't let him lose international waters, that he would do crazy things. Now, he is sitting there, he is looking rationale, he is standing next to a president, having conversations like world leaders would in coming away with common point. It was the first thing the president said, by coming here, it proves to me that we have a lot of common ground.


BOLLING: I want to talk. After the press conference, a couple questions were taken. The first question of course, the reporter went right for it asking about the wall, who is going to pay for the wall? And here's how Donald Trump responded.


TRUMP: We did discuss the wall. We didn't discuss payment of the wall. That will be for a later date.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have there been misinterpretations or statements that unfortunately had hurt and impacted Mexicans in terms of the perception that the candidate has expressed and which I actually respect that the Mexican people have felt insulted by certain comments, but I was certain that his genuine interest is to build a relationship.


BOLLING: All right. Juan, you want to take that one?

WILLIAMS: Sure. I mean, I think he was very polite. And I'm so glad he treated his guest with decency. But the fact is, I don't think it's going to make a dime's worth of difference with the Latino vote for sure.

BOLLING: You don't think so?


BOLLING: The most recent Fox poll was right around 20.


FRANCIS: About 20 percent.

BOLLING: About 20 percent.

WILLIAMS: OK. Let me just say. Here's the point. It has nothing to do with the Latino vote. It has everything to do...

BOLLING: You just said it. That was your line.


WILLIAMS: That's right because it is 80 percent in opposition, and they're not changing after a year of being demeaned by Donald Trump.


WILLIAMS: I love that dinner.


GUILFOYLE: Calm state, you two.

WILLIAMS: I'm just saying that I think the real point here is like the 53 percent of Republicans who think there should be a way for illegal immigrants to have a pathway to citizenship in this country. And among specially, I noticed this in the column today in the Wall Street Journal by Jason Riley, it was among Republicans under 30, almost 65 percent of Republicans think there should be a legitimate pathway. So tonight, Trump has an opportunity in his speech if Phoenix to talk to those Republican, who say you know, let's talk about mass deportation, a deportation force, they're going to say, hmm, in fact, even opponents, people who like Trump oh, you know what, this sounds a lot like Obama's policies.


GUILFOYLE: Shut it down, the filibuster. What you heard here at the beginning of that conversation and dialogue with Donald Trump focusing on specifics and saying that they have agreement and accord on illegal immigration. Illegal immigration hurts Mexico, it hurts the United States, it hurts families that are taking risks in putting everything on the line to try to get into this country. This was a country that was based and founded on immigrants, people coming over here that want to work hard and build this incredible country that we have. We are not honoring everyone, if we are encouraging people to risk their lives and their children's lives coming over here illegally. The point is, follow the laws in the book. That is the pathway to citizenship that so many have been able to take and live and prosper with their lives, with their families here in this country. And that's what we need more of.

BOLLING: How'd he do?

GUILFOYLE: I think just by showing up, which is as Woody Allen says is 90 percent of life is just showing up. And Hillary didn't show up. But then again she was in Ohio, which is also extremely smart. He won the day, but she might have had a better decision of going to Ohio. They also changed the subject from e-mails, which we are going to talk about later. But the e-mail story is a big story. But this is definitely more interesting. I'm looking forward to, if he does, there is going to be no deportation, we know that. If the wall becomes a virtual wall, an electronic wall, could Anne Coulter actually burn her own book?



BOLLING: Donald Trump beat President Obama in Louisiana. That was an issue.

FRANCIS: Yeah, yeah.

BOLLING: And now, he's beating Hillary Clinton to meet with Nieto. Someone's got, listen to someone.


GUTFELD: Who could that be?

FRANCIS: I mean, it shows his campaign right now is in genius hands.


FRANCIS: He said we are put out an invitation to both campaigns. He responded quickly and he went down there. It was a very smart move. It's also a perfect setup to the speech tonight.

GUTFELD: Skip the speech.


FRANCIS: ... was going to be liar, liar pants on fire, which don't believe anything you say.


GUTFELD: He is winning right now.

GUILFOYLE: He talked about that.


BOLLING: Guess what, Mexico agrees with me. Wow.


WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah, yeah.


GUTFELD: They didn't bring up paying for it.


WILLIAMS: They didn't bring up his rhetoric about racism. They didn't bring up anything that would be -- they were just polite. But what astound me, we go into this speech tonight, everyone wants to know what Trump is going to say.

FRANCIS: We know, those five things.


WILLIAMS: You know what, he sounds a lot like Barack Obama?


BOLLING: In that debate stage in a couple of weeks, he has now a huge Trump card in his pock saying look, you may not like my plan, but guess who does, guess who is in agreement with me?


WILLIAMS: That's why he was polite. He didn't want to get no a fight.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.


WILLIAMS: Here's the one thing you and I know about Donald Trump. He is going to build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it. Did you hear an agreement that today? I didn't.


GUILFOYLE: I heard Nieto saying Trump shared genuine concern to be there, to discuss the issues, and work with the people of Mexico, so there you go, Juan.


GUTFELD: The only thing about it is whether or not Donald Trump went down there and filled my prescription.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.


GUILFOYLE: Stop illegal drug trafficking.

GUTFELD: The pharmacy there is inexpensive.


BOLLING: You know what you could even do? You can have a group dynamic where both countries use the laborers to build that wall, that's probably hundreds and thousands of jobs, that's a lot of money going back to Mexico.

GUILFOYLE: Together, together.


BOLLING: Stay right there, we have much more to come on Trump's immigration speech, this hour. Also, Hillary Clinton slammed Trump's Mexican trip. Her reaction next.


GUILFOYLE: We're just a few hours away now from Donald Trump's highly anticipated immigration address. But he just finished a meeting with Mexican President Nieto. What does Hillary Clinton think of Trump's trip to Mexico?


HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You don't build a coalition by insulting our friends or acting like a loose cannon. You do it by putting in the slow, hard work of building relationships. And it certainly takes more than trying to make up for a year of insults and insinuations by dropping it on our neighbors for a few hours and then flying home again. That is not how it works.


GUILFOYLE: OK. So that was her comment. She was also invited to go, received the same invitation as Donald Trump, and she did not go. She declined. She's enjoyed quite a good number, Greg with the Latino community. So what do you think?

GUTFELD: Oh, this has to drive her batty. It's like you know when you throw a party on the Fourth of July, and a guy down the block throws an even better party with better fireworks.

GUILFOYLE: That's your neighbor, Bolling.

GUTFELD: That's exactly what happened today. She has to say, Trump drank her milk shake. That's what happened. I don't think she expected to him say yes so quickly and that was just a brilliant move on his part. He beat her to it.


GUTFELD: All right. So Trump playing chess and Hillary what is she playing?


BOLLING: I think she's in panic mode. I think they should be in panic mode. It looks like he's turned the corner. The first part of August was bad for him. The last part of August looks a lot stronger for him. He's coming around. He's looking very presidential. No one has a problem for what he did today so far. I never heard anyone take a negative axe to it. And they should be concerned. You know how fast -- this is a big ship and it turns quickly.


BOLLING: He was up, he was up after the convention. Then she went way up. And now, it looks like he is probably going to overtake her again. They have reasons to be concerned. I said it from the beginning. He is going to go into post-Labor Day, at least tied if not ahead of her.

GUILFOYLE: Showing her unfavorables as well as the recent polling ratcheting back up again after that post.


GUTFELD: The polls don't matter.

BOLLING: They won't. As long as they don't matter now and they don't matter later, but later on, all of a sudden he starts leading, we start hearing polls don't matter again. It goes both ways.


FRANCIS: In responding to it, it sounded like sour games. I mean, she knows she got beat on this, they issued the invitation. I'm sure you're right, they never thought he would go down there and do it. But like everything else, it is great to tweet from a distance. When you actually show up and see people face to face, and you have to talk about real issues, it's a totally different thing. I mean, they really highlighted the fact that they do have common interest on building a wall. It does actually benefit Mexico as well. I mean, the Mexican president was quick to point out, we don't want your weapons and your dirty cash. We don't like what's coming into your country, we don't like what's coming in to our country.


FRANCIS: We don't like this either.


FRANCIS: I mean, also, you know, that the Obama administration has largely ignored Mexico. They would like to, obviously, they don't want the hostility. They would like to have a decent partner. They don't want the business to go elsewhere as well, the manufacturing business.


BOLLING: A J for Juan because...

WILLIAMS: Please, let me add a touch of reality to this.

FRANCIS: I can't wait.


WILLIAMS: You know what, Trump went down there. I don't know what difference it makes. He goes down there, the president was polite. The reality is Trump is the one on the defensive and you guys like it's Hillary. Trump is the one who is not only flip-flopping, but doing tailspin on the current issue of immigration.


WILLIAMS: Let me say, tonight, he's got to give a speech that explains why his position when he was take on Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Gang of Eight, when he was saying that President Obama's policy is criminal, why is that now?

GUILFOYLE: No, no, no. Trump just hit the three-point shot.


GUILFOYLE: Please. No way. You can't, Juan, you know, too, you are having a hard time despite the 25 blue cards there to come up with something to say, because Trump smashed it. He has the three-point shot from half court.


GUTFELD: Kimberly, the point that Juan is making isn't about today, it's about tonight. He has to distinguish himself from the people that he has mocked, which now, he sounds more and more liked.


GUTFELD: That's the point.

WILLIAMS: He said listen, I think that people who are experts on immigration reform in the country, people who some of them backed Trump because they say, oh, yeah, now they say Trump is sounding like one of these people who is less focused on enforcing the law and securing the border than he is on making a deal about amnesty, which used to be birth dirty word on the right.

FRANCIS: The way that he has distinguished himself from those people so far, and correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what he said. He is not going to create a path to citizenship. The people who are here illegally have to leave and come back, and that seems to be the one place where he does differ from the people who came out early. And we're talking about the Gang of Eight, the amnesty and all of that.


WILLIAMS: So, Melissa, he is going down this rational path, what happens then if he says mass deportation, a mass deportation force in the country, he's back to where he was before.

FRANCIS: He's not for mass deportation.

WILLIAMS: Oh, so he's changed then? Because he said mass deportation and mass deportation force, this is the reality of the news today, that you guys are...


GUILFOYLE: If he came up with a cure for cancer, you'd find a way to talk about it.

WILLIAMS: Look, here is what I think is in the news right now, in the speech tonight, he is going to contrast himself with Hillary Clinton on illegal immigration. He's going to say that Hillary Clinton wants to create a path to citizenship.


WILLIAMS: And he will say listen, everybody has to obey the law. He is going to say that he is not for executive amnesty, Obama style. He wants more strict e-verify and he is going to say no to sanctuary cities.


WILLIAMS: Is that going to satisfy either the hard liners, no, or the people on the left or say the people who are immigrants? No. So did it change any minds? No, no, no, no, no.


BOLLING: I don't know, Hillary, did you see the delivery on that speech? She looked mad, she looked nervous. And she should be. Trump was killing it in Mexico.

WILLIAMS: She was killing it to the American Legion and to people who are on the line, people who generally are Republicans who should be backing the Republican nominee.

FRANCIS: She is losing steam, Juan. You better come up with a new...


WILLIAMS: I wonder who is leading in those polls there.

BOLLING: I don't know. I'm not sure about the polls.


GUILFOYLE: All right. Shall we do this?

FRANCIS: Yeah, why not?

GUILFOYLE: Why not, make sure to tune into the Fox News Channel tonight at 9:00 p.m. Eastern for Trump's immigration address. More to come on the big speech later.

But up next, Hillary Clinton returned to the campaign trail after spending nearly two weeks raising money and avoiding the press. She, of course, took some brand new shots at Trump. You're going to hear them ahead. Stay with us.


FRANCIS: Hillary Clinton reemerging today after spending most of the past two weeks fundraising in the Hamptons.

In California, too. Why not? She went right back to hitting Donald Trump.


HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: United States is an exceptional nation.

My opponent in this race has said very clearly that he thinks American exceptionalism is insulting to the rest of the world.

It doesn't mean that people from other places don't feel deep national pride.

It means that we recognize America's unique and unparalleled ability to be a force for peace and progress, a champion for freedom and opportunity.


FRANCIS: OK, OK. But it has still been 270 days since Clinton has held a press conference. Perhaps it's because she's out of excuses about her e- mails.

The FBI successfully recovered nearly 15,000 previously deleted messages from her private server. And we just learned that at least 30 of them contain material related to Benghazi.

All right. Greg. Even the "L.A. Times" has noticed that Hillary Clinton is not out there doing press conferences. I mean it's not just us now keeping track of how many days it has been since she did that whole, wipes the server clean thing.

"L.A. Times", Hillary Clinton is overdue for freewheeling news conference, submitting to questions from a diverse group of reporters is a way to demonstrate accountability to the public.

GUTFELD: The less we see the better (ph). She was still sending classified act of information after leaving office. She is the national security version of Anthony Weiner. She cannot help, but expose herself using our security.


GUTFELD: But also when she talks about exceptionalism, this is what kind of drives me nuts because she's not running against Obama, she's running against Trump. He was the one who is anti-exceptionalism.

And for left, patriotism, it's like a Halloween costume. One day a year they dress up like Uncle Sam. But for the rest of the -- for year-round thing, it's never around. For the rest of us, we generally think that way all along, but she can't because as a liberal, exceptionalism is the profound opposite of what they believe in, and they believe that America is the problem.


BOLLING: Agree with Greg 100 percent. President Obama's first foreign policy speech at the University of Egypt in Cairo saying America is not exceptional.

FRANCIS: I'm with that (ph).

BOLLING: So, hitting Trump no, she's actually hitting Obama on that one. Number two, press, they asked the campaign and the campaign said, "Yeah, press conference is coming soon." Soon, 270, it's like almost a year now. And number three, those 30 e-mails that show additional top secret being sent over Hillary Clinton's server, she said those are probably duplicates, well, they may or may not be duplicates, I think the State Department is not sure they are duplicates yet. So that's unclear right now.

FRANCIS: I don't blame her for not doing a press conference, K.G. I mean, she is out in the Hamptons. I think we have video. There's Andy Cohen, you know, I mean she's got Paul McCartney, you know, all kinds of people out there.



FRANCIS: Raising money and she's rich, she's fabulous.

GUTFELD: How dare she go to the Hamptons?

FRANCIS: Well, I mean she's very exclusive.

GUTFELD: How many people with houses in Fox in Hamptons? Raise their hands?

FRANCIS: Well, it's all of mine. But, you know ...

GUILFOYLE: I mean she's -- but she's fabulous.

BOLLING: But those people don't claim to be dead broke ...



GUTFELD: She's raising questions.

WILLIAMS: Oh, Greg, why ...

GUILFOYLE: Why you got to hate? You've got outside space, outdoor space at your apartment, Greg.

WILLIAMS: The hypocrisy. Let me just say I thought she gave a great speech to the American Legion. Just terrific.

And the best part of it was, she spoke about the raid on bin Laden's compound and the actions of the SEALs as really representing American values, because they didn't kill the relatives, they didn't kill the women or the children. And this is something Donald Trump had said, "Oh, yeah, kill the family, we don't care." You know what, we do care.

FRANCIS: Oh, my gosh.


FRANCIS: This is making things up.

WILLIAMS: That was one speaking about how the military is used, the military is used for legitimate purposes and she spoke about his temperament and suggested that, "You know what, I'm not going to send our young men and women into harm's way, because I'm having an e-mail or Twitter war." It would have to be a real reason. That I think speaks to people in terms of changing minds about Trumps imprudence.

BOLLING: No. But wasn't then she vote for every Civil War we've gotten into? Wasn't she in favor of every war we got into?


WILLIAMS: No, listen.

GUILFOYLE: And there are those that ...


WILLIAMS: But that must mean that Trump was opposed to it?

BOLLING: No, no, no. We're talking about Hillary.

WILLLIAMS: Oh, I forgot. Oh, I forgot that's more double speech from Trump.

BOLLING: She said she won't send our kids into military fights, unnecessarily.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no.

BOLLING: But she said she's in Twitter that you would disagree with also with some of these wars.

WILLIAMS: I certainly would. But what she is saying is ...

BOLLING: She votes for all of those, though.

WILLIAMS: No. What she's saying is ...

GUILFOYLE: I don't think she's going to change words in minds making people afraid of Twitter.

FRANCIS: OK. All right. I've lost control of this segment. So, I'm going to go to commercial.

After his big meeting with the Mexican President today, Trump is giving a huge immigration speech. Tonight, advice for him is coming up. But first, Hillary Clinton's successor at the State Department has a very novel idea on how the media can help wipe away terror. Don't tell anyone about it. John Kerry in his own words next.


GUTFELD: John Kerry thinks the best way to stop terrorism is for the media not to cover it:


SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY: It's easy to terrorize. Government and law enforcement have to be correct 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. But if you decide one day you're going to be a terrorist and you're willing to kill yourself, you can go out and kill some people. You can make some noise. Perhaps the media would do us all a service if they didn't cover it quite as much… people wouldn't know what's going on.


Before we call the walking driftwood sculpture a dope (there will be plenty of time for that), let's admit we could reduce the media spotlight. I've said it before, coverage of suicides and mass shootings lead to increases in the same, due to the copycat phenomenon.

However, Kerry didn't say that. He said not to cover terror, so "people wouldn't know what's going on." Meaning: ignorance is bliss -- especially with him around. The less you hear about Kerry's stint as secretary of stupid, the better it is for him.

Remember he's the dude who:

Said ISIS was on the run, when they weren't.

Said air conditioning was as big a threat as ISIS. Yes, I distinctly remember my bedroom unit trying to behead me. How odd that Kerry wishes for less press on terror, but no such limits on climate change.

And, after a terror attack in France, he sent James Taylor to terrorize their ears.

Now, we know the media does us no favors through repetition of breathless coverage, but it's no excuse to keep people in the dark. The only reason for that: to hide our weakness in mitigating such threats.

If the public's unaware of terror, then they're also unaware of how badly we fight it. Terror just becomes some random thing like the lotto or lightning.

But Kerry's role is a sad legacy, so no wonder he wants to hide it. I would do the same.

So Melissa, what do you think of his advice? There is -- we've talked about the fact that how like when the media, you know, keeps, you know, focusing on one thing, people copycat it.


GUTFELD: But he's saying just don't cover it at all, because he doesn't want anybody to know.

FRANCIS: Yeah. It's always the DAM media's fault, everything. I mean, it can all be traced back to this, you know, Facebook media that does everything.

GUTFELD: We do that.

FRANCIS: Yeah, he also discounts -- he discounts social media.


FRANCIS: I mean social media is where a lot of the -- all the information is going on where, you know, ISIS is doing all this recruiting, where you instantly hear about any sort of terror attack and where they put up the pictures that we won't even show on television. So, it's not the media. You do have to somehow dampen the allure. I mean, that's one of the things that people talk about.


FRANCIS: But you do that with the military, not by limiting information.

GUTFELD: Eric, I think he would never say this about, let's say, like gun violence in America or climate change, the issues that are dear to their hearts.

BOLLING: Heck those pesky media. They have just been -- just keep digging into that Benghazi stuff. We could have gotten a clear way with it. No one would have known.

I disagree, you know, I disagreed with that theory of don't put the faces up, don't the names up because I think the more information, the better, the more networking of information is in everyone's best interest. So, I hate what he's saying. I hate everything about what he said. I love more transparency for everything.

Yes, there is a risk of copycat. I get that. But I also think that there's -- if someone is going to see a picture and say, "Yes, I remember that guy from this scenario." And if you know that person then alert someone, see something, say something. That's just where I am on it.

GUTFELD: Juan. Thoughts?

WILLIAMS: Well, I'm a big first amendment fan. So, I think he's crazy when he says, you know, if people wouldn't know about it, it's better. No, I think we should know about it. But I think he got to put it in context. So, you don't want to exaggerate. I even anticipated just thoroughly disagreeing with you, Greg, actually, I agree with what you said. Because you said, you know what, you know about copycats. You know, we don't cover a lot of suicides.


WILLIAMS: You know, we don't publicize them for a reason.


WILLIAMS: Same thing with bomb threats or people who run across the outfield naked, you know.

GUTFELD: Yeah. That's one of the examples they use, is they no longer show people running across because it encourages.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. So, we as the media know how to behave responsibly. When it comes to terror, we love to fan the flames of fear. So, that's also true. It's one of these things where we have to have two things in mind. Yes, first amendment, very important, you want to it. And also in the age of the internet ...


WILLIAMS: ... you got to know it.


WILLIAMS: I mean, so I don't know who is going to keep it from. But I do think that there is such a thing as responsible behavior. And like today, today you have the number two guy in al Qaeda and ISIS killed.


WILLIAMS: The guy who was the head of their western operations, thought to have been in charge of the attack in Paris. That gets less attention than of any terrorist act, you know, to occur.

GUTFELD: You why? He was the head of P.R. So, they didn't have anymore P.R.

Kimberly, is there something? I mean, Kerry, is he not just -- he's not very bright? Is that what it is?

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, listen. I think that he has an agenda, right?


GUILFOYLE: He has an ideology. And he's very specific and focused about it. What he wants to do is he wants put blinders on the American people so that we don't see the ugly truth of terrorism that Islam is not, you know, a religion of peace.

He doesn't want us to talk about sharia. He doesn't want us to talk about radical Islamic terrorism. He doesn't want us to look and ask questions about the dangerous people that they are releasing from Gitmo because of a campaign promise to put back out to commit acts of Jihad against the United States and other peaceful nations.

We do want to know. We do want to hear about it. We want to be informed. We want the transparency that this administration promised and has not delivered. Instead, they have tried to delete American history with people like Hillary Clinton deleting e-mails and not complying with national security. That is not what we want. And certainly, they haven't been supportive in terms of, you know, our military in making sure they have the tools they need. They have been bootstrapping them with rules of engagement in danger life. So, I am quite finished with listening to Secretary Kerry just like I am quite finished with Hillary Clinton of what she did as Secretary of State.

GUTFELD: We have five more months, six more months?

WILLIAMS: Of what?

GUFELD: Of Kerry. Where are we now?

WILLIAMS: September, October, November, December ...


GUTFELD: Coming up, we return to Trump's immigration address, what's the GOP nominee need to say to American voters tonight. That's next.


WILLIAMS: Donald Trump delivers his immigration speech tonight after a quits stop in Mexico. So, tune in for the address tonight at 9:00 Eastern.

Some final thoughts now ahead of the speech. What do you think, K.G.?

GUILFOYLE: You know, I think he can really -- he has a unique opportunity here to capitalize of what I think was a very powerful presidential appearing time with President Pena Nieto today and I think regarding of what people want to hear about it. And you also saw willingness to sit- down and understand what's going on in terms of Mexico, what the people there are dealing with. And then saying, you know what, this is a problem for both of us, so let's have a shared responsibility and a vision for the future. And both sides loose (ph) with illegal immigration and drug trafficking and human trafficking over our poorest border (ph). I would hit those things.

WILLIAMS: So now, so, Eric, he's going down to Arizona, the land of Jan Brewer and Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Yesterday, as we know, Senator McCain won pretty easily over a Trump ...



WILLIAMS: What do you think? Is Trump going to say we have to be fair and come out with a contrast to Clinton or is there -- you know, how is he going to get off? What do you think?

BOLLING: I think she goes ahead and say this is what we talked about, right, here's what I talked about with the Mexican government, the president of Mexico and went very (inaudible) famously. I wouldn't get to crazy, you know, that we go off -- in path (ph), I wouldn't start to delve into the deport -- by the way, you know what a deportation is under President Obama? If you stop someone at the border and tell them to go back and they never even come in, that's a deportation.

WILLIAMS: OK. I can finally get it.

BOLLING: So step -- so they're to get and you say that, that's a deportation.


BOLLING: So, how does this do the same thing?

WILLIAMS: Let's take Melissa on that point.


WILLIAMS: So, Melissa, part of the reason Trump is on the defensive for this speech tonight and why it's going to get so much attention is, it sort of looks like it's Obama or Rubio or Bush's policy.

FRANCIS: It's not, because the difference is that he doesn't have a path to citizenship. Unless you leave and come back in. I think he's going to do what Eric said. He's going to outline his five major points as he did today and say that the President of Mexico agrees with him and it's in everybody's best interest. So, there you go.

WILLIAMS: Well, it's interesting, Greg, Jason Miller is writing his speech, one of Trump's P.R., not Kellyanne Conway. And what we know about Miller is he worked with Senator Sessions blocking the Gang of Eight plan (ph). So the strength, the power is potentially there.

GUTFELD: I think he should cancel. He had a great day. Just go to bed early.

FRANCIS: Yeah, go to bed (ph).

GUTFELD: You know, remember that "Seinfeld" episode ...


GUILFOYLE: High note.

GUTFELD: ... where George said, he walks in and makes a great joke, "Always leave on a high note." I should have left in the "A" block.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Greg.


BOLLING: "One More Thing" up next.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh, Juan.

WILLIAMS: All right. They are coming.


BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." K.G.

GUILFOYLE: I have a special one more thing about education and the importance of it and families to learn together. And this is very sweet.

So, the first day of college job is they can be nerve-wrecking. A lot of parents are taking their college now, but not to this teenage girl. She's 18 years old. Her name is Melanie Salazar and she entered Palo Alto College in San Antonio, Texas. And that is her best friend, her 82-year- old grandfather Rene Neira, who she proudly called grandpa. Well, that's because Rene, the grandpa, is an Economics major and he's been taking classes there. And now, his granddaughter has joined him and they will be going to college together.

And I think that's so fantastic because it's never too late in life to realize your dreams and she says it inspires her when she sees how much time her grandpa puts in the library studying. So, God bless studying (ph). It's very nice.

BOLLING: Excellent. Excellent. OK. Gregory, you're up.

GUTFELD: Time for "Greg's Sports News." All right. There are some athletes who do things without press. Florida State -- without trying to get press. That is Florida State receiver, Travis Rudolph visited -- I think it's called Montford Middle School in Tallahassee. And while he was there, he saw a young boy sitting there by himself, apparently sits alone with his lunch almost everyday. He does a lot of things alone. So, he sat next to him. The kid's name is Bo Paske. It turns out he's autistic. And Travis sat with him and somebody took a picture, sent it to Bo's mom, Leah, and she wrote a wonderful piece about this and about how important this is to the son and how, I guess, symbolic it is for people in school to spend time with people who are alone. So, I wanted to bring this up because previously we saw one athlete sit-down to get attention. And here's another athlete who sat down to help someone.

WILLIAMS: Very nice.

GUILFOYLE: Very nice guy.

GUTFELD: I'm never nice.

BOLLING: That's so unusual.

GUTFELD: I know.

GUILFOYLE: What happened?


WILLIAMS: That was very nice.

GUILFOYLE: Somebody slipped something in the unicorn today.

BOLLING: Juan, you're up.

WILLIAMS: All right.

BOLLING: All of you have a time.

WILLIAMS: While other republicans are worried about re-election and what Trump is doing to destroy their party, there's ...


WILLIAMS: ... one republican who isn't worried at all. From the looks of his Twitter feed, former Speaker of the House John Boehner seems to be enjoying retirement. He just posted a video of himself driving a bus or R.V. with the caption "The Open Road," and "#GodBlessAmerica" banner. He really seems to be enjoying time away from Washington. Back in the spring, he posted a photo of himself with a lawn mower. But he's not totally separate from the political world. He's riding across the country in that bus or R.V. to campaign for down ballot republicans.

BOLLING: All right. Very good. Take a look at this. This is either the annual Tomato Festival ...

GUILFOYLE: I love it.

BOLLING: ... in Bunol, Spain or it's MSNBC after finding out that I'll be hosting "The O'Reilly Factor" live tonight at 8:00 and then again at 11:00 tonight. So, expect a very, very ...


GUILFOYLE: You go, Bolling.

BOLLING: ... host Trump speech analysis.

Hi, Melissa, you're up.

FRANCIS: All right. I have a little advice for all the single ladies and men out there. Your credit score counts. That's according to the most recent study. Forty percent of people out there want to know someone's credit score before they go on a date with them. I'm a money girl, so this is an important advice.

GUILFOYLE: I think it's great.

FRANCIS: It's not just women who want to know about men, but men, 32 percent of them would like to know if the ladies have a bad credit score before they go in a date. So read K.G.'s book. She's got some good stuff there, a lot.

GUILFOYLE: I talk about that.

FRANCIS: Right. I know it.

GUILFOYLE: I think it's so important to have excellent credit.

BOLLING: You know, if you don't use credit cards and don't take credit, you have a bad credit score.

GUTFELD: And what I do, I wear credit goggles.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. But you need to pay it just in time (ph).

BOLLING: Credit goggles?

GUILFOYLE: Is that like beer goggles?


GUILFOYLE: I'm trying to help Juan out.


BOLLING: Stay here. Don't forget, "Special Report" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: You're out of time, boy.

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