Poll: Clinton leads Trump by 7 points, but gap is narrowing

Foundation, email controversies dragging on the Democratic presidential nominee?


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 30, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Melissa Francis and Greg Gutfeld. Its 5:00 in New York City and this is "The Five."

Seventy days until Election Day and Donald Trump appears to be gaining on Hillary Clinton in the polls. The latest on the survey shows them only seven points apart, as opposed to 13 points earlier this month. Trump citing a major speech to clarify his position on illegal immigration tomorrow, more on that in a moment.

But first, Fox News has learned that the FBI is preparing to release some materials related to its investigation of Hillary Clinton's e-mails and it could happen as soon as tomorrow. The White House says it wasn't involved in the decision.


JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I've seen those reports. I can tell you that the White House did not consult with the FBI about that decision or any of the other decisions that they've made in terms of handling some of the investigative material.


GUILFOYLE: The FBI's director took questions earlier at a cyber security conference and at one point actually made a joke about the server scandal.


JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: I'd like to take your questions and I'm hoping you're going to think up a question that has nothing to do with Secretary Clinton's e-mails.


GUILFOYLE: OK. The release of this information will only prolong the e-mail issue for Hillary and she still has to worry about the scandal surrounding her family's foundation. "The New York Times" editorial board today said the secretary has an ethical imperative to cut ties with the charity. OK, so an ethical imperative to cut ties with the charity, Bolling. So, that means do it now, don't wait until later. It's problematic. Will it matter and should it resonate with the voters?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So, why cut it now? I mean, you've $1.5 billion under this -- whatever the business arrangement they had going on -- now, all of a sudden it's unethical to continue? I hope they do continue and I hope Citizens United continues to produce (inaudible) request and produce documents. I hope Judicial Watch continues too. But it took someone, I believe it's either CBS or CNN that got the FBI to release these -- I guess they're going to release these transcripts of the interview.

For me, that's going to be the most important thing. Yes, the other stuff is going to be interesting but there is about 30 pages that are transcribed into paper that interview that when they went to Hillary Clinton's house and spent a couple of hours with her. I'm dying to know what they ask her. I'm dying to know if they pushed her. I'm dying to know if they were there to find out.

GUILFOYLE: What do you think, thought, really?

BOLLING: I think they spent an hour or so and said, you know, hey, let me get through these questions. I'm guessing and it's too early -- we shouldn't speculate, but I'm guessing there wasn't a lot of second, you know, going back every two and three times like, are you sure you didn't, you know, are you sure you didn't do this? Or are you sure you didn't know there was any classified material on these? Did you know they were going to classify them as highly classified later on? Are you sure -- are you innocent in all this? I'm guessing it wasn't that hard of an interview.

GUILFOYLE: Well, but also the problem is, Greg, what, no recordings so it's relying on some notes and what was ever, you know, documented.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah, but the issue here is that the problem with a story like this is that it's constantly releasing new information over time. It's like cracks in the foundation of a house. It's a problem that prolongs the problem because it's not happening at once. It's happening every other day.

And the problem -- the difference between this and a house is Hillary Clinton can't move out of herself. She is stuck with this and this is going to keep going on. It shows the cynical nature of the Clintons. She's like a high school on Sunday, unprincipled (ph).

GUILFOYLE: How much ahead did you prepare for that? I like it.

GUTFELD: It was that hour.

GUILFOYLE: Exactly. All right, so Juan, is this going to be problematic for her or do you have any problem with it at all?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, yeah, I got two problems with it. One is, I think that they should have closed this foundation a long time ago. I mean, I just think it invites all sorts of scrutiny and questions about ethics, because it looks like quid pro quo on the surface. I don't care if it's ethical and I would just reiterate no evidence of illegality.

But it just looks like politicians lining, not their own pockets, but at least their reputations and opening a door to favors with their friends. I just don't like it. I just don't like it, whatever. And that's why I was surprised to hear you say, oh, don't close it, why close it.

BOLLING: Because I want to see what else turns up.


WILLIAMS: It appeals to your conspiracy theory but it does not -- is there a question...

BOLLING: ...conspiracy theory when you have people who are buying influence

WILLIAMS: No, there's no evidence of that.

MELISSA FRANCIS, GUEST CO-HOST: Their buying access.

BOLLING: There's no evidence. What Melissa just said is true. You can you say that in their minds they think they're buying access...

GUILFOYLE: It's like bottle (ph) service at the White House.

WILLIAMS: But nobody -- there's no evidence that anybody actually got a favor done.

BOLLING: Again, can I just (inaudible), I'm sorry, Melissa, but here's what I was trying to tell you, is I really would like to see the 33,000 e-mails that are destroyed right now because maybe that's where all the quid pro quo of it lies.

WILLIAMS: You know what this is? I mean, you are scraping and scratching. I mean, you're just trying to build a conspiracy theory as some reason to have some hope for Donald Trump in this election.

FRANCIS: I think you're trying to...

BOLLING: No, but 96 (ph) percent of America agrees with me so, it's not...

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. They agree what? They agree with what?

BOLLING: That there's a problem with the Clinton Foundation.

WILLIAMS: I just said that. You're the one that doesn't want to close it. I'm the one that wants to close it.

GUILFOYLE: Don't worry, Juan, we got the transcripts of you from Fox News Sunday. I saw it and I heard it.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, I've been on this record for...

FRANCIS: I agree with Juan. I think what the "New York Times" said today is the most devastating because they said that what they're doing is they're giving access to big donors. They're selling access. You can't be the party of the people and say that you're standing up for the poor and then sell access to the highest donors.


FRANCIS: That doesn't make sense. You can't put up a velvet rope and then say your whole purpose for being is you're helping the little guy. It totally undermines their entire philosophy, why they say they're in politics and it proves that they're hypocrites.

GUILFOYLE: All right, so we add another issue for Clinton right now -- the marital drama, Greg, between her long-time top aide, Huma Abedin and husband, Anthony Weiner. Now, here's Donald Trump on that.


DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: But in the case of Anthony Weiner, she's married to a guy that is uncontrolled. He is a sick person and, you know, she has access to classified information. Huma Abedin has access to classified information. How Hillary got away with that one, nobody will ever know. But to think that it's very likely that much of this information, Anthony Weiner would know about.



GUTFELD: It's an interesting story. Weiner, this is all self-sabotage, I mean, he knew that if Hillary wins he wasn't going along for the ride. There was no way he was moving to Washington. He was looking at the big picture or perhaps the small picture. But here's the bigger issue, he's interesting because he's a compulsive pervert. She's potentially more dangerous but she's not as interesting or exciting. But her background potentially gives hints that there might be something else going on there, whether with her mother's involvement in that radical Islamic journal and there's other things going on there that kind of make you wonder what's there? But unfortunately, Anthony Weiner's perverse compulsions, his desire to expose himself constantly is just more interesting than what may be more dangerous.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Melissa, do you see this as something that is, yeah, cause for a concern? I mean, certainly something this relevant is when Huma Abedin has been careless and reckless with classified information, leaving it behind, et cetera, schedules and otherwise.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: And that's been documented, but this is a whole other matter that I guess the taint of it is not good for the...

FRANCIS: Yes, I don't know. I'm not really sure how you stretch it over into the Clinton camp. I mean, I know that Greg is dying to say Weiner over and over again.

GUTFELD: No, I'm not that predictable.

FRANCIS: No you're not, well, OK. Well, I don't know that you stretch it all the way to the campaign. I mean, obviously, to me it shows that Huma Abedin has bad judgment I guess, but you never know what's going in anyone's marriage anywhere.

GUTFELD: Yes you do. There was a documentary on it. I know everything about that marriage.

FRANCIS: But I think we don't know what's going on in everybody else's marriage. So, I think...

GUTFELD: But I know that one.

GUILFOYLE: You were invited to the premiere.

FRANCIS: ...marriage about everything.

GUILFOYLE: OK, all right. Juan, is this a problem?

WILLIAMS: I don't think it's a problem, but what the problem is, I can't get over Donald Trump just trying to make politics, make political hay out of the tragedy of this guy's obsession, as you say, Greg.

GUTFELD: Sickness.

WILLIAMS: Perversion or whatever. I mean, he sees, oh, this is an opportunity to take a shot at Hillary Clinton? I mean to me, it's like wow, leave a disintegrating family alone and a woman in pain alone. And the same thing what happened over the weekend with the shooting in Chicago with Dwayne Wade, the basketball star's cousin. Why is Donald Trump making that into suddenly a political football?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, we talked about that.

WILLIAMS: I just think it's terrible. FRANCIC: Because there was a political point there. I mean, that was pointing out something that he has been drawing attention to, the idea that you have failed inner city problems...

WILLIAMS: The larger point -- the larger point may have some legitimacy, Melissa, but at that moment you have somebody dead.

FRANCSIS: Yeah, the way he did it was bad -- Yeah, no, no. Definitely the way he did it was bad.

BOLLING: So, on the Anthony Weiner and Huma Abedin, the difference here is that Anthony Weiner clearly doesn't know how to use the internet. He's now failed twice, miserably, accidentally sent out a picture of himself to the full internet once when he was trying to direct message to someone else.

So, if he's in on these security briefings or she has a security briefing that she tends to leave behind stuff like schedules and he reads it and he -- there's the difference, OK. That's why that's different from the other side...

GUILFOYLE: But also, he shouldn't be around children the way he behaves. That's the Child Protective Services.

WILLIAMS: That's the big issue.

BOLLING: That has nothing to do with Hillary or security.

GUILFOYLE: No, but I want to put it out there for the viewers as a former child abuse prosecutor.

BOLLING: Here's the hypocrisy of the left though, how many times over the last couple of weeks have we heard about Steve Bannon's 20-year-old divorce? A hundred times? That shouldn't be in there either but the left likes to make a lot out of that as well. They're saying here's a guy who is advising Donald Trump. He's CEO of...

WILLIAMS: You know, this is an example...

BOLLING: ...talking about his 20-year-old divorce, yet, Huma Abedin is now a victim.

WLLIAMS: Excuse me, is Huma Abedin out there saying things like women should get off the internet because they're ruining it for men who want to say crude things about women? No. That is Steve Bannon's history, right. So, Steve Bannon has a history of saying obnoxious things about women. He then is revealed to have had in his divorce proceeding violence against women and you say, oh, there's no relevance. Of course it's relevant.

BOLLING: The left is using a 20-year-old case, pulling up...

WILLIAM: Because he is now...

BOLLING: ...years ago, but Huma is somehow...

WILLIAMS: Hold on. Remember that Donald Trump has a history of saying things that are viewed as misogynistic against women, and so now you have Bannon comes in, he had his own history with women and you say it's irrelevant.

BOLLING: And Hillary has a history of possibly losing e-mails...

WILLIAMS: All right, here we go, possibly -- possibly this and...

GUILFOYLE: Well, there is something else to talk about you two. Donald Trump is gearing up for a big speech tomorrow. Remember that? To stave off critics who said that he has flip flopped on immigration. Rick Perry, one of his former opponents turned supporter is coming out in defense of the GOP nominee.


RICK PERRY, FORMER TEXAS GOVERNOR: Donald Trump is not softening his position on immigration. Donald Trump is going to secure that border in all the different ways that you have to do that. He is committed to not only immigration reform that lets the people in that we want in this country, but those that have come in, overstayed their visas, those that have come in, that are criminal elements. Those individuals are going to be rounded up and dealt with appropriately.


GUILFOYLE: OK, so is this helpful, Melissa, that Governor Rick Perry, someone who people look to actually for guidance but he did a good job in terms of the border and was on point on that issue.

FRANCIS: See, I actually think that this has turned into Rorschach painting but -- Donald Trump is out there with this immigration policy and it's what you see on the dots. It's however you look at it. And he's kind of maybe this, maybe that and this one says this, this one says the other thing.

So now in a way, everybody can see what they want to see and the people that were afraid that he was racist and he was too far to the right, well, he's not really going to do that after all, and everyone maybe at this point hearing what they want to hear.

GUILFOYLE: Sounds like a political win.

FRANIS: So what seems to be bad could be good, yes.

GUILFOYKE: In terms of the strategy that leads to around...


GUTFELD: It exposes people's lack of principle. I mean, yesterday Rush Limbaugh admitted that it really doesn't matter what Trump says and we talked about it before. You know, Rush said, "I knew he really didn't mean it. So it didn't matter." And people who knew that he didn't mean it got trashed for it.

So now, he has -- I think he should apologize to everybody he has made fun of for sharing the same beliefs he does. And I think, you know, I get it, Perry's, you know, being the good soldier, but, you know Dick Morris the viewer.

WILLIAMS: But you know what...

GUILFOYLE: Speaking of Pete (ph), he could have had "Dancing with the Stars."

WILLIAMS: I can't believe that he...

GUTFELD: Dick morris?

GUILFOYLE: No, Rick Perry.

WILLIAMS: I can't believe that Trump basically said, "Oh, Obama's plan on illegal immigrants is a terrific plan." I mean to me, how did Obama made sense to that?

FRANCIS: But the difference is, he's saying you have to enforce it. I mean, I think that's how we really...

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. He says that it was more aggressive but that's how...

FRANCIS: have to enforce the law.

WILLIAM: No, but he said that's the plan. I just can't believe that out of Donald Trump's mouth comes, "Oh, Barack Obama has the best immigration plan. Where is Jeb Bush? Where is Marco Rubio? Gang of Eight?

FRANCIS: Jeb Bush is mad (ph). He's mad (ph).

GUILFOYLE: Speaking of mouths, sometimes what comes out of this one...

GUTFELD: Wait, I did not say that.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, guess what the (inaudible) gave for me.

BOLLING: Can I weigh in on immigration?

GUILFOYLE: OK. I'm trying to save our show. Go ahead. I'm kidding.


BOLLING: Let's do this. I'm waiting to see what he has to say tomorrow night.

GUILFOYLE: And then you'll see?

BOLLING: Then we'll judge it.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Next, is Russia trying to undermine our presidential election by hacking into our voting systems? It appears so. The FBI director addressed that very concerning threat this morning. We're going to tell you all the details we have ahead. Stay with us.


BOLLING: Some very serious new concerns about Russia attempting to meddle with our presidential election. The FBI is now investigating the hacking of elections systems in both Arizona and Illinois and had issued a warning to state election officials nationwide to beef up their cyber security measures. U.S. officials suspect Russian hackers were behind the breach. The FBI director Jim Comey was questioned about it today at a cyber security conference.


JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: We take very seriously any effort by any actor, including nation states, maybe especially nation states, that moves beyond the collection of information about our country and that offers the prospect of an effort to influence the conduct of affairs in our country, whether that's an election or something else.


BOLLING: Moscow-backed hackers have already been blamed for leaking most documents and e-mails stolen from the DNC. Also earlier this month, the Homeland Security chief warned about this exact issue, listen.


JEH JOHNSON, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: We are actively thinking about election cyber security right now. We should carefully consider whether our election system, our election process is critical infrastructure like the financial sector, like the power grid. This is something that we're very focused on right at the moment.


BOLLING: OK, Greg, Russians are very interested in our election.

GUTFELD: Yeah, that's going on. FBI should warn Hillary. I would change her password from, you know, chelseamom2016 because she's the one that's got the problem. You know what worries me...

GUILFOYLE: Uh-oh, that's it.

GUTFELD: It's not the hacking and the leaking. It's the hacking, the doctoring, and the leaking. So they can hack to your system. They can take mundane information, and then they could insert deviant stuff -- this is my excuse -- insert deviant stuff into your e-mails or attach images, because that's what they're going to do. They're not just going to hack. They're going to doctor it. That's the nature of cyber terror...

GUILFOYLE: Look at Bolling. He loves it.


GUTFELD: It's the Russians.

BOLLING: They hacked his twitter account.


FRANCIS: That's what he said the first time he had been hacked, remember that.

GUTFELD: Yeah, but.


BOLLING: They asked him on that. I'm sorry, Greg.

GUTFELD: But anyway, I don't think -- they're going to do this to the Republicans, too because the Russians don't see divides. They don't see Democrats or Republican. They just see America. A disruption of our system is what they want.

FRANCIS: I'm wondering what high tech voting system they're going to be hacking into. The last time I went to vote in New York City, I mean, it looked like they had moved over people from "Occupy Wall Street." I mean, they were sitting there. They couldn't find my name in the list. They gave it to me when I gave them the ballot.

I was certain they were throwing it in the garbage behind them. It was a disaster. It took forever. People left in the middle. There was nothing official about it. I was trying to keep a straight face because I had brought my son to show him this civic duty and I am certain that my vote did not get counted.

GUILFOYLE: Thompson (ph)?

FRANCIS: Yeah, hacking into what? I mean, they had...


FRANCIS: Yeah. I mean they had pieces of paper and they literally chucked it in a basket behind them when I left.

BOLLING: Don't we hear this every four years?

WILLIAMS: Not like this year because of what happened with the DNC, the hacking and consensus among the national security, you know, people, the top intelligence folks in the country, is that the Russians were behind the hacking of the Democrats not the Republicans, and then of course you have the Debbie Wasserman-Schultz fallout (ph).

BOLLING: That's early.

WILLIAMS: Well, I know, that was the hack. It was the hack that led to the leak. But what I'm saying is here you have a situation that Melissa is lamenting the fact that it is somewhat antiquated of a system. In fact, that's somewhat...


WILLIAMS: ...protective because they can't hack all the systems. And you can't hack when you got paper involved and clear the paper trail where you count. The danger here is the Russians get involved and they start to "hey, guess what, we know that Eric Bolling is voting for Donald Trump so, we're going to leave him though but that Juan Williams, that guy -- I think that guys is a Democrat. We'll pull his name out. So, all of a sudden, Juan shows up, he can't vote. Eric shows up, and he can vote.

GUTFELD: I love how even Russians say guess what.


GUILFOYLE: He said that in Russian.

WILLIAM: Well, you know me. Just like me. Who knew? A black Russian.

BOLIING: For instance...

GUILFOYLE: Everybody is like Russian these days.

BOLLING: Well, I want KG to put some KG on it.

GUILFOYLE: So, let me put little KG flavor on this. When I went to go vote, is much like Melissa's experience, in fact Jurassic Park meets Stars War's bar scene with little Jar Jar Binks, a little velociraptor.


GUILFOYLE: ...and no confidence that this was going to actually get counted out (ph).

FRANCIS: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: I had to show them -- look, there's my name right there. No, I got to vote. You know, same thing. And I brought Ronan, it's like, what goes on around here? He said this doesn't look good at all. I mean he was only five and (inaudible), no kidding. So, that didn't work well. But now imagine this is going to be a very dangerous situation for this election. If they look at voting patterns and don't match kind of the past ones and we see wild swings, then we could be in another Bush/Gore, you know, whole situation all over again. Re-enter the Hanging Chad.

BOLLING: Are we saying that the Russians wants Donald Trump to win? Is that what you're saying?

GUILFOYLE: Or the hanging Russian Chad.

WILLIAM: I don't know what to say, I mean, Donald Trump says -- he says he asked the Russians to hack...

BOLLING: I think we remember Hillary saying don't worry. We're going to reset as soon as the election is over. She may be as close to the Russian...

WILLIAMS: I think that was another election.

GUTFELD: Yeah, it was. To your point, no one can be worse on these elections than us. When I was registered at -- in Pennsylvania, I lived there for 10 years. My name was Greg Butfeld.

GUILFOYLE: No kidding.

GUTFELD: I had to go there and find my voting card just to show I'm Gutfeld but it says Butfeld.

BOLLING: Can I tell you one quick anecdotal story. I drop my son off to college, the minute -- he's only a freshman so this all brand new 18-year- olds, they have 200 people running around signing them up to vote -- every single one of them, Hillary Clinton button supporters. Hillary Clinton supporters.

WILLIAMS: That's a bad sign for Trump.

BOLLING: And I looked over my shoulder and watched him and never said a word to him before in my life about what you are, Republican, Democrat. He checked off Republican. I was like, wow, good job. They all had Hillary stuff on. I'm not even sure that's legal.

GUILFOYLE: You just like ruined his like -- buzz kill at college now.

GUTFELD: Probably not even watching right now.

BOLLING: We'll leave it there. All right, ahead, new (inaudible) from quarterback Colin Kaepernick's decision to sit out the national anthem in protest -- Donald Trump's got a great idea for the 49er unhappy with america. Hear that next.


WILLIAMS: The 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick has upset a lot of people -- a lot of Americans with his refusal to stand during the national anthem at a preseason game on Friday. Kaepernick said he doesn't want to show pride in a flag for a country that, quote, "oppresses black people and people of color." He is still getting a lot of critical feedback especially in the sports world. Seattlle quarterback Richard Sherman who has taken issue with the Black Lives Matter Movement in the past is weighing in on the controversy.


RICHARD SHERMAN, SEATTLE QUARTERBACK: There is also a deeper meaning to what he did. You know, he's talking about the oppression of African- Americans in this country and that has been going on for a long time. And I think, you know, a lot of the focus has shifted away from his message and shifted, you know, to some people that was insulted (ph) to him taking a stand against the nation, et cetera, et cetera. So, there is some depth and some truth into what he was doing, you know. I think he could have picked a better platform and a better way to do it.


WILLIAMS: Donald Trump's got an idea what Kaepernick should do if he isn't happy with America.


TRUMP: I think personally it's not a good thing. I think it's a terrible thing. And, you know, he'll -- maybe he should find a country that works better for him. Let him try. It won't happen.


WILLIAMS: Well, let me start with you, KG. What do you think of Donald Trump, who is so critical of America, you know, the country is falling apart.

GUILFOYLE: What? I don't think he's critical of America. I think he said we could do better.

WILLIAMS: At the GOP convention, I never saw such a dark view of America.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I don't know. I was .


WILLIAMS: But anyway, he says Kaepernick, for being critical, should get out. What do you think?

GUILFOYLE: Well, listen, you know, that's -- he is entitled to say what he wants to say that's because we have people who have fought and died on the battlefield to be able for all of us to sit here and give our opinion without fear of reprisal besides Twitter, right?

So what I do know today is, that I was with the -- at the - Jets said they have wonderful charity to mention (ph) with Woody Johnson and all the Jets players there. And their quarterback spoke and it was elegant and interesting and eloquent, and delivered a very, you know, passionate speech and talk about the game (ph).

And then I was saying, "You know what? This is fantastic." I was so impressed with the quality and characters of the individuals there and then I go back, here at my 49er team, you know, what's going on, Colin? I mean, what were you doing? You've been given so much opportunity, just like why do you help bring us together? Why do you have to sit down and to get such an affront to the men and women who have served? If you want, take it to Twitter. But you know what? Stand. You have two legs to stand on because other people have lost theirs.

WILLIAMS: Well, so Eric, I think part of what Drew Brees, the quarterback for the New Orleans Saints, says, look, this is about recognizing the military picking up on what Kimberly was talking about. I don't necessarily see it as immediately attached to the military. I think, you know, I'm a proud American. I would just say honor the flag even if you have complaints. But is it only about the military?

BOLLING: Well, the flag represents the freedoms that Kimberly points out that fit people who have died. How many wounded warriors have lost both limbs and would love to be able to stand for the National Anthem that can't? Two thoughts, $6 million hundred -- I'm sorry, six year, $114 million contract Kaepernick signed for. Where else in the world besides America can you do that? Maybe a couple of European countries stand for the flag. And you want to talk about oppression, he stated .

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute, wait a minute. You're not saying stand for the flag because he gets paid a lot of money?

BOLLING: No, because it's the greatest country in the planet .

WILLIAMS: I agree with that.

GUILFOYLE: He's go a lot of opportunity even with bad stuffs he got paid.

BOLLING: But he's saying he's not standing in solidarity with people who are oppressed in America, right? What about the people that those wounded warriors got wounded fighting, the people who are fighting countries, Sharia law countries where women are oppressed, truly oppressed, and gays are murdered? Those people died for that flag for that reason, for the firms ...


BOLLING: ... that we have to stand for the flag.

WILLIAM: All right. So, Melissa ...


WILLIAMS: ... the contrary argument is we've had everything from a woman's rights movement in this country to a civil rights movement to a gay rights movement. Every time we, as America, change, and our great country allows that change, it's because of people who protest and Kaepernick stands in that tradition. Do you buy it?

FRANCIS: I don't because I just think -- it feels very small. I mean, I know he is getting a lot of media attention for it. But he is somebody who makes $19 million a year. There're a lot of things he could do in terms of outreach, in terms of charitable deeds, things that people didn't have to see. Or you could make a big splash, you know, making a big gesture. You know, I mean, he could go out and be a role model. He could advocate. He could make speeches. He could go into communities .

GUILFOYLE: He can win some game.


FRANCIS: I mean he could bring people on to the field ...


GUILFOYLE: That's the problem, yeah.

FRANCIS: But if instead to sit, instead of standing, you know, to me, it seems almost lazy and small and attention-getting. And I don't know on himself as supposed too (ph) on here is the issue I'm upset about and here is what I'm going to do to fix it, instead he is choosing to just, you know, sit down.

GUILFOYLE: Come on. You saw the pictures on the internet of the soldier who lost both his limbs and he's literally on the - he's amputated, where his legs would be standing up like that. I mean, just, when you think about that, it just puts things in perspective. And I thanks Dr. King, if you are alive today, he wouldn't disrespect the flag or the anthem.

WILLIAM: I don't think ...

GUILFOYLE: He would use his words and his voice to send a message for positive change. And that's the difference.

WILLIAMS: So Greg, Spike Lee, the director says, wait a second. In fact, Kaepernick is operating the tradition of Muhammad Ali who refused to go to Vietnam as you know. He's operating the tradition of John Carlos and Tommy Smith who stood at the Olympics with their fist raised, again, to protest the America's treatment of minorities. What do you say?

GUTFELD: I pledge I will not stand until Spike Lee makes a good film.

All right. Two points here to make. I think Colin is a genius. He put America through a logic experiment. So, what if you sit down during an anthem to protest an oppressive state? But if you were allowed to sit down during the anthem to protest an oppressive state, the state, therefore, is not oppressive. So by sitting down, he actually proved himself wrong, because in other countries, like North Korea or wherever you want, Cuba, you would get killed.

What's more interesting to me about this fellow is in a recent press conference he didn't just wear the Malcolm X hat, he wore the Fidel Castro shirt. So basically, mentally, he is someone currently fetishizing radicalism, right? He is turning radicalism into a fetish. It's a phase. He's like a girl discovering Bieber for the first time. He's been in aggressive development .

FRANCIS: Guys like Bieber too, look at Bolling.

GUTFELD: Yeah, that's true. But don't tell me I've got to go. I'm not done yet. When an athlete goes through a delayed adolescence because he's been playing sports all his life, it's also with celebrities and actors, they get to a certain age they lose their relevance in their career and they go, "I want to be known for something else." And so he gets the hat, he gets the shirt. He's got Fidel Castro. And he realized that it's great for his name, because it's all over the cable news. And that's what he's got, and you can't get caught, because then he's caught for political reasons.

BOLLING: Well, what's so very important, though, is that he will be sitting on that same bench the whole season anyway.


BOLLING: He wasn't going to start. Maybe he would have a different attitude if he did risk that starting position.



WILLIAMS: Well, some people think he is risking it, because obviously there's something .


GUTFELD: I will tell you this too. One thing that I forgot to leave out, he also said that Hillary should go to jail. We forgot about that.

WILLIAMS: Yeah right.

GUTFELD: Kind of an interesting thing.


GUTFELD: So, he is all over the map. We can't cover all that Colin Kaepernick is up to.

Next, does this school mascot look too scary to you?

FRANCIS: Oh, yeah.

WILLIAMS: One professor is concerned that Herky the Hawk might frighten incoming college students.

GUILFOYLE: Are you kidding?

WILLIAMS: Gregory takes this one on when "The Five" comes right back.


GUTFELD: There's so much evil in this world: War, famine, the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

And now, team mascots.

Apparently one such beast doesn't express enough "emotional diversity" and must be changed. I speak of Herky the Hawk from the University of Iowa, whose static grimace has upset one professor enough for her to write to school officials claiming Herky's smirky traumatizes students.

Professor Resmiye Oral believes new students need happy faces not angry, violence-inciting ones. She writes: "I plead with you to allow Herky to be like one of us, sometimes sad, sometimes happy, sometimes angry."

She is right. Look at its face. It's not inviting. I wouldn't want to eat that at Chick-fil-A. It seems so angry. Like an Angry Bird! Angry Birds -- we should ban them too. Imagine what that's doing to our children!

Fact is, these days everything is offensive, from common words to costume birds. It's why we need trigger warnings and safe spaces to protect us from these micro-aggressions.

The world is so scary, it seems the best thing you can do these days is not be born.

So is it possible that a student might actually think Herky is a real monstrous hawk with a grudge and not just some classmate in a costume?

It's possible. All this psychological coddling is turning kids into fearful worms.

Maybe they should be scared of birds.

Juan, scary mascot, like the Redskins?

WILLIAMS: Yeah. Well, no. Actually, the guy who used to dress up as the -- was the chief, died this summer. So I don't know what they're going to do about that.

GUTFELD: Way to bring it down.

WILLIAMS: But they do have lovely ...

GUILFOYLE: I know right.

WILLIAMS: ... lovely dancers.

GUTFELD: Yes, yes.

WILLIAMS: You know what? I was - so I have two thoughts about this. One is that I generally prefer the Phillie Phanatic or, you know, the San Diego Chicken happy, crazy guys, you know, who's hopping around. That guy just looks scary to me. It doesn't bother me.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh.

WILLIAMS: But I love what you have to say because I think this is legitimate trend from, you know, that you highlight, which is micro- aggressions, trigger warnings, safe spaces. University of Chicago this week, you know, said not doing it.


WILLIAM: If you come in here, you go to be a big boy.

GUTFELD: Yeah, you have to grow up. Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: I love University of Chicago to go back (ph).

GUTFELD: Do you like, do you like the 49er mascot? The little gold dig -- with a great -- such a gold digger.


GUILFOYLE: So he's scary because he has trap .


GUTFELD: It's a gold .

GUILFOYLE: Gold digger.

GUTFELD: Panner. Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Whatever.

FRANCIS: Miner. It's a called a miner.

GUTFELD: We're 49er fans. And we ended in the 49ers and we can't even think of a name. What's wrong with us?

GUILFOYLE: A gold digger. I don't know. I'm lost back in the days of Joe Montana, Dwight Clark, and Ronnie Lott, and Roger Craig, and Charles Haley and Steve Young.

FRANCIS: I love Steve Young. He's so hot.

GUTFELD: John Taylor. The most underrated receiver, Jerry Rice.


GUILFOYLE: Jerry Rice.


GUILFOYLE: All right. Can we talk about Steve Young (inaudible) and have he done for us lately? Yeah, we said Steve Young .

FRANCIS: OK, good.

GUILFOYLE: . and he also is highly intelligent, was a prosecutor, got his law degree.

FRANCIS: Very cute boy.

GUILFOYLE: Anyway, back to the scary bird.



GUILFOYLE: This goes on to connect to the whole thing we've got, like ban all the Halloween costume, no one can be the sushi chef, no one can be like, you know, any of the angry birds because that might offend someone. It's a joke. There can be nothing left to be like Trump.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

FRANCIS: And Hillary. You know, we actually almost have Trump as our mascot. Harvard has this angry pilgrim, he looks furious. He's angry white man.


FRANCIS: I don't know. I think maybe they should go away with that. What do you think, Eric?


BOLLING: I wrote a book about these, trigger warnings, safe spaces. It was good news to hear University of Chicago, a very liberal university, pushing back .

GUILFOYLE: How (ph)?

BOLLING: . on the trigger warnings and safe spaces. But I think the scariest thing in Iowa right now, no joke right now, is the price of corn. Corn is crushing the state of Iowa, right?



BOLLING: Thirty percent drop in the price of corn in the last month and that is really -- its killing farmers right now. And by the way, we should do a segment on the farm subsidies. That would be very interesting.

GUILFOYLE: My farmer.

GUTFELD: Are getting creamed.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, that was so .

GUTFELD: I love creamed corn.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling just avoided that. He avoided the "Fox and Friends" segment we were trying to adjourn that into like ...

BOLLING: In the afternoon.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, yeah, "Fox and Friends".

GUTFELD: "Fox and Fins", that's what they call it. So wait is over, the new cast.

FRANCIS: "Dancing with the Stars".

GUTFELD: Yeah, they didn't -- they skipped that part. And so "Dancing with the Stars" has been revealed. I'm having a problem .

GUILFOYLE: What is wrong with you?

GUTFELD: I don't know. It's the drugs.

GUILFOYLE: A description of Olympian.

GUTFELD: Olympian and former presidential candidate. The rest of the list ahead.

GUILFOYLE: Rick Perry.


FRANCIS: "Dancing with the Stars" revealed its full cast for Season 23 this morning. I know I was waiting with baited breath. Our buddy Geraldo gave us his best shot last season (inaudible). But this time around, stars like '90s rapper, Vanilla Ice will be vying to the Mirror Ball trophy, so will Maureen McCormick. You remember her as Marcia Brady and former presidential candidate Rick Perry as well. Also set to cut the rug, the Olympian who cut out of Rio as fast as he could after lying about a robbery, Ryan Lochte. The swimmer appeared on "GMA" this morning.


RYAN LOCHTE, AMERICAN COMPETETIVE SWIMMER: And so everyone is blowing this way out of proportion. I think that's what happened. And, you know, like I said, I did lie about that one part. And I take full responsibility. I'm human. I made a mistake. This is perfect with the show because I want to put that behind me. I'm never the one to dwell in the past. I just want to move forward.


GUILFOYLE: All right.

FRANCIS: OK. So he dyed his hair. So obviously, you know, Kimberly he is on the straight and narrow now, and he's going on "Dancing with the Stars". So perfect celebrity rehab. I think he's all set, Ryan Lochte, yeah, good.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Well, he's ready to be like the comeback kid. Why not? That's what we do in America.

FRANCIS: By dancing.


FRANCIS: By dancing?

GUILFOYLE: Well, but he's a great athlete. I'm quite certain he can dance. I mean, don't you think he use his arms, at least, and his legs in some fashion.

FRANCIS: Maybe. OK. Vanilla Ice, do you think he's going to win the Mirror Ball?

GUTFELD: No. I have advice for Rick Perry, though.

GUILOYLE: I love Vanilla Ice.

GUTFELD: Avoid Rick Perry. Avoid the three-step because you might forget the third step.

BOLLING: Very nice. Well done.


FRANCIS: Because to Bolling, we love ...


FRANCIS: We love Vanilla Ice.


FRANCIS: We love him. Yeah. Ice, ice baby.

GUILFOYLE: Ice, ice baby.

BOLLING: And it doesn't matter because the winner has already been decided.

WILLIAMS: Who is that?

BOLLING: Laurie Hernandez. She's great.

GUTFELD: Are you kidding me?

BOLLING: I mean -- so let's talk about a ringer. That's what she does. She dances.

FRANCIS: Yeah. Not Amber Rose?

BOLLING: I don't know. I'll go with Laurie Hernandez.

FRANCIS: Juan Williams, do you like Amber Rose? Was that who you were thinking .

WILLIAMS: No, I don't sitting here ...

GUILOYLE: Be very careful, gentlemen. Yeah.

WILLIAMS: ... in between. I was just asking what is her talent. I don't know. But I mean she's, you know, but she's a beautiful woman, I guess. I don't know.

GUTFELD: She just wait, I don't know who's .

FRANCIS: She breaks up relationship.

WILLIAMS: Kanye's ex.

GUTFELD: Kanye's ex. Got it. Got it.

WILLIAMS: You know, I was inflicted, I was inflicted that Babyface Edmonds ...


WILLIAMS: I think he has, you know, has a great talent. I'm surprised to see his name in there and Laurie Hernandez. But Rick Perry, Rick Perry, when he was running for president, part of the issue was that he had a bad back. So I guess he's made a tremendous recovery.

GUILOYLE: Yeah. Well, good for him. He's such a nice guy. I like him a lot. And he was nice when he came on our show.

WILLIAMS: Oh, he's very nice.

GUILFOYLE: Fantastic.

BOLLING: He might be the first one out though. That's always interesting to see to get a little ...


BOLLING: Poor Geraldo ...

GUILOYLE: Poor Geraldo. Remember .

BOLLING: I don't know.


BOLLING: I think Laurie Hernandez has luck to that.


GUTFELD: I think Lochte has a luck.

FRANCIS: Not Marcia, Marcia, Marcia? Maybe.

All right. "One More Thing" is coming up next.


GUILOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing". Eric, what say you?

BOLLING: For my "One More Thing" very quickly. Numbers are in the books right now, August, Fox is number one, 168 straight months as number one, and they were number one in all the basic cable, not just news, also beating MSNBC and CNN combined in Arabia, 189 months number one.

OK. One more thing, ready for this? It's called the greatest play of all time, even better than Clemente's catch in right field, better than Mays' catch over shoulder in center field. It was Rick Monday in 1976, Cubs at Dodger Stadium. Take a look. Here it is right here. Two guys run on the field. That's an American flag. One guy is putting lighter fluid on the American flag. Another guy comes up, ready to light the flag on fire. Rick Monday comes from center field, grabs the flag. Now there, there is a patriotic young man right there. And he was an ex-marine, spent six years in the marines. That's why he didn't want the flag burned. Rick Monday respected the flag. Best play ever.

GUILOYLE: God bless. That was a good one boy.

FRANCIS: That was a good one.

GUILOYLE: Very good. Greg, yours is not going to be out .


GUTFELD: Yeah. "Greg's Secret to Happiness." You know, there's nothing more soothing when you're down than the smell of a brand new tennis ball. Let's admit that we've taken the can and just inhaled it for hours.

GUILOYLE: What a weirdo.

GUFELD: As this fellow knows, you can never get enough tennis balls. And if you're ever feeling sad, life isn't giving you lemons, fill up a bucket full of tennis balls and have yourself a ball. Look at that.


GUILOYLE: Greg, it's your stunt double.

GUTFELD: Yes, it is.



FRANCIS: Trigger, trigger for an ...


WILLIAMS: You look like a happy dog (ph).

GUILFOYLE: Go ahead.

WILLIAMS: All right. So, it's 70 days until the big election in November, but today is also Election Day and we've got some very hot races for you to keep an eye on. Tonight, the first, top one, John McCain, the senator space and what he calls his toughest primary challenge of his 29 years in the senate, his challenger Kelli Ward who made news recently by saying the 80-year-old senator too old to be re-elected. So, keep an eye on that one.

In Florida, we've go two hot races for you, Senator Marco Rubio facing a challenge from a pro-Trump opponent in the primary. It looks like he will win easily but have a close race against the democrats in November. Democrat is likely to be Patrick Murphy. Also in Florida, former DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz has a very tough primary race for her congressional seat. She was ousted from her DNC chairmanship, if you recall, due to e-mail revelations and she still remains one of the most polarizing political figures not only in the country but within her own party.

GUILOYLE: Oh my gosh. OK. Well, thank you so much for that. It almost made me lose my appetite, but nothing can because it's time for "Kimberly's Food Court".

FRANCIS: I like that.

GUILOYLE: All right. So Papa John has done something amazing to size (ph) fantastic delicious pizzas. Yes, you are able to now order a pizza on your iPhone app and they do it with your Papa John account to locate and deliver enjoy your delicious pizza. So, we tried it up. Shall we folks? Feast your eyes on this. There is one production problem here.

Sean, my sweet producer, forgot to put my favorite pepperoni or salami on my cheese pizza, but nevertheless, we're going to have some, Melissa. You're interested?

FRANCIS: Oh yeah, absolutely.


GUILOYLE: I ordered the Domino's on my phone.



GUILOYLE: Well, Steve Ritchie said, you know, say, "We were attracted to Apple TV because of its commitment to innovation and customer experience." Two priorities.

WILLIAMS: This is not a real story.

GUILOYLE: Excuse me. Are you interrupting me while I'm talking about Apple?

WILLIAMS: You just wanted to have pizza.

GUILOYLE: So what?


GUILOYLE: Everyone knows that already.


FRANCIS: I don't know what show I'm on here. But let's -- it's now "Special Report".

GUILFOYLE: You're in my "One More Thing".

FRANCIS: "Fox and Friends" afternoon. Take a look at the adorable Violet.


FRANCIS: She's singing her ABCs like no one has ever builted (ph) them out before for a million views.

GUTFELD: Better than Britney. This is better than Britney from VMA.

FRANCIS: It's true. She is actually singing. She is adorable. She is from Shreveport, Louisiana. Four million people have watched this video and rightly so. My pizza, I salute you. Adorable.


GUILOYLE: All right. Fantastic.

FRANCIS: We love it.

GUILOYLE: So that's going to be for us today. We're going to share our pizza. "Special Report" is next and we'll have a slice.

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