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Eric Trump talks resignation of campaign chair Manafort; Jill Stein makes push to be included in presidential debates

This is a rush transcript from "Sunday Morning Futures," August 21, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MARIA BARTIROMO, HOST: Good morning.

Donald Trump reaching out to minority voters, explaining why he says he would be best fit for the White House.

Good morning, everyone. I'm Maria Bartiromo. Welcome to the program.  This is "Sunday Morning Futures".

Trump making the appeal to voters in Michigan and Virginia, but critics are questioning the locations he picked to share these messages. We'll take a look at that with our panel.

But, first, an all-star lineup this morning. I'll go one-on-one with Eric Trump on his father's campaign shake-up and a lot more. Plus, Newt Gingrich with me on the White House's admission that the $400 million payment to Iran was tied to the hostages.

And Green Party candidate Jill Stein will join me live. We're looking ahead right now on "Sunday Morning Futures".

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BARTIROMO: Thanks so much for joining us.

ERIC TRUMP, SON OF DONALD TRUMP: It's great being here with you.

BARTIROMO: Obviously, the news of the weekend, Paul Manafort now resigning. What does this tell us about where the campaign structure is?  Is this a direct result of the team bringing in two new people to really run things?

TRUMP: Yes, there's no question. And, by the way, Paul's great guy, and I think my father didn't want to be distracted by, you know, whatever things that Paul was dealing with. And, you know, Paul was amazing. And, you know, he helped us get through the primary process, he helped us get through the convention, he did a great job with the delegates, you know?

And now, you know, you look at him and Kellyanne and some of the other people that were bringing in, and they're absolutely fantastic and, you know, I think they're going to be the ones that bring us, you know, all the way through November 8th and ultimately get us that the victory.

But again, my father just didn't want to have that the distraction looming over the campaign and quite frankly looming over all the issues that Hillary's facing right now.

BARTIROMO: Yes, and I think right off the bat, as soon as you brought in two new players, we saw a little shift. We saw your father said couple of days ago. We saw what he said in terms of saying, look, I own this, I'm taking responsibility for if I may have insulted somebody.

Was that a result of the two new players that you brought in to run the campaign?

TRUMP: Yes, maybe a little bit. You know, I think --

BARTIROMO: Or was that from the inside his children. Did you advise him to do those?

TRUMP: I think it's -- I think it's him, right? I mean, at the end alright a minute and today my father's -- my father, right? I mean, you know, let Trump be Trump. And I think that's what -- you know, that's when he does best that's who he is and, you know, that's what created this incredible movement that he started.

At the same time, don't get me wrong. A lot of people are opining on this, and I think he started you know as well. And I think coming out with a great sense of humility, again the father that I've known my entire life, I think it was amazing.

And as I mentioned, I was at that speech, and the speech was amazing. It was electric and the room was electric and, you know, I was -- I was proud of him for doing that.

BARTIROMO: Well, clearly, coming out of the convention which was very successful for you, the convention, something happened and obviously, Paul Manafort wasn't doing it. I mean, he wasn't doing the job because the campaign lost crowd after the convention.

So, does this change now give more clarity? You've got to new players.  Does it give that freshness that you need with these just 80 days left?

TRUMP: Yes, possibly. And I wouldn't even say, we came out of the convention, we had an amazing convention. We had a massive bump. In fact, one of the biggest bumps coming out of convention that you can imagine, right?

And, you know, obviously, they had the convention right after, and traditionally, they'll get a bump too, right? And so, it's really interesting. I think right now, you're really seeing in the latest polls, you're really seeing that totally level out and it's really back to parity.

And, you know, Hilary spent $200 million in advertising against us. We've spent nothing against her yet, yet our numbers that are at parity, and I think that's a -- that's probably pretty frustrating for them. Believe me, they don't -- they don't like the fact that we have a great war chest, you know, saved up and they spent all this money and yet, we're, you know, dead even in the polls. They're not thrilled about that.

BARTIROMO: We're looking at the polls tighten in a big way. I mean, obviously, what your father's doing is working. Now, your father made a decision to go to Louisiana in the face of this terrible flooding that we're seeing there, to speak to the people, to just express his condolences and hurt with them.

Why? Why is she doing this now?

TRUMP: Yes. Well, you have coffins floating down the street. You have houses that are underwater. You have cars that are underwater. You have people who are -- have lost their lives, you know? And the president of the United States is in Martha's Vineyard playing golf. You know, he can't be bothered to hop on Air Force One, one of the nicest planes in the world, to fly down there for half a day to check in on the situation.

He's sitting there playing you know is 200th round of golf this year.

You know, at the same time, Hillary is sitting there you know resting. I mean, these are our leaders -- it is shocking. These are the people that we have elected as a country to lead.

And I think my father was just frustrated by it, you know? And so, he went down there to show his support, with Mike Pence, he's on the ground and, you know, I'm not proud of him for doing that.

But I just say -- I'm disgusted by the fact that the commander-in-chief of the United States couldn't be bothered to hop on Air Force One to fly down there for a couple hours to find out what was going on. It's a -- it's truly, truly sad.

BARTIROMO: We now know that the White House has admitted that this $400 million that went to Iran was in fact contingent upon them releasing the American hostages. What does your father plan in terms of the Iran deal?  How easy would it be to reverse? And your thoughts on this hostage payment that we now know was, in fact, ransom?

TRUMP: Maria, I actually think that Iran deal was one of the things that - - it was almost in the auspices of getting my father to run for president.  I remember you know when I was first talked about years ago and he was shaking his head. He -- we can't be serious, so we can't honestly consider giving a hundred fifty billion dollars to a country that hates our guts, that hates our way of life, that detest everything about Western civilization.

We can't -- we can't be serious about doing that, and they ended up doing it. And then, you see obviously the four prisoners were contingent on the, you know, the $400 million. And you're sitting there, as a guy who travels overseas -- I mean, they put a target on every American's head that leaves, you know, the boundaries of this country, including, quite frankly, every military personnel that we have overseas, because surely our government is now paying, you know, for hostages. You simply can't do it.

I mean, $150 billion dollars was atrocious, $400 million dollars in cash being dropped off in the middle of the night is just as bad. I mean, it's -- you almost can't make this up. I mean you really almost can't make this up.

BARTIROMO: Yes, I mean we don't even know the terms because we learned about it after it was already done. So, again, the president went around Congress.

What can we expect --

TRUMP: By the way, he lied about it.

BARTIROMO: Yes.

TRUMP: He lied about it. He said that that it wasn't -- it wasn't ransom money, the $400 million had nothing to do with the hostages. No different than he lied about Obamacare where he said, you'd get to keep your doctor.  You get to keep your plan.

No different than Hillary Clinton lies about the 33,000 emails, no different than Hillary Clinton lies about Benghazi, right? I mean, no different than Hillary Clinton lies about every scandal that they had in the White House.

I mean, this is what you're getting from our politicians in this country, where America were better than that. You know, we need to have people who are actually honest with the citizens of this nation and represent them well and that's simply not happening.

BARTIROMO: Which is why he reached out to this and the Hispanic community this weekend, reached out to the American -- the African-American community earlier last week.

What should we expect in terms of these groups? Is he going to be able to really move the needle in terms of Hispanics, African-Americans, women, another group that he really needs to get those numbers up in terms of the vote?

TRUMP: Yes, well, I hope so. You know, it's interesting as a non- politician stepping in and see how ingrained politics are in certain people that they can just never -- they never take off the blinders and look outside that, you know, their party -- the party that they've always voted for before.

But again, if you look at what Democrats have done, you know, for inner cities -- for inner-city youth, again, sixty percent unemployment. I mean, they've never done anything. They always promise great things and then nothing ever happens.

If you look at Chicago, right, you have 2,500 shootings this year alone in Obama's home city, if you look at Detroit, if you look at Baltimore, if you look at so many of these places, they've been run by Democrats for the last 50, 60, 70 years and look what happens. They never get better. They just never get better.

And I think part of my father's message last night is, why not try something new? Why not give me a chance? Let me bring you back jobs to this country. Let me fix an educational system that's a total disaster, that's full of fraud and waste and abuse and nonsense. Lt me fix these problems, it's something I can do, what you have to lose?

And that's what he said last night, what do you have to lose? It's broken, I will fix it. You know, give me the chance to fix it.

BARTIROMO: Eric, it's nice to have you on the program.

TRUMP: Yes, thanks for having me.

BARTIROMO: Thank you so much. We'll be watching, Eric Trump.

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BARTIROMO: All right. My thanks to Eric Trump. We conducted that interview Friday afternoon.

And since the interview, the White House has announced, President Obama now will visit Louisiana. He's going to this Tuesday. The state's Governor John Bel Edwards making it clear that he said he requested the president wait a week after the rain fell to allow emergency responders to do their work and for the cleanup to get underway. So, we will be bringing you more once the President does go to Louisiana on Tuesday.

Big changes coming to the Clinton Foundation, meanwhile, regardless of whether Hillary Clinton moves into the White House. Is it enough to stem the wave of criticism about the Foundation's donations policy? Who gives them money? We will delve into that with Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn live next.

You can follow me on Twitter @mariabartiromo, @sundayfutures. Let us know what you'd like to hear from Congressman Blackburn. We're looking ahead right now on "Sunday Morning Futures".

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BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

A major makeover in the works for the Clinton Foundation. Hillary Clinton's family charity will put an end to foreign donations, they said, should she be elected president.

Now, former President Bill Clinton also saying he will resign from the board, in an effort to avoid potential distractions or second-guessing.

Tennessee Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn joins us right now live, who has been leading the investigation or pushing for this investigation of the foundation.

Congresswoman, good to see you. Thanks so much for joining us.

REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN, R-TENN.: Thank you.

BARTIROMO: Is this enough, do you think, these changes that they are talking about, should Hillary Clinton be elected?

BLACKBURN: Maria, these are things that should have taken place when she became secretary of state. The former president should have removed himself from the board. They should have had outside oversight and guidance on that board, and they should have changed the way they were working and stop taking some of these foreign contributions that they had been taking.

BARTIROMO: So where is the investigation around the Clinton Foundation right now, Congresswoman, because there's really conflicting reports in terms of whether or not this is in the eye of regulators right now?

BLACKBURN: Well, we have our letter. As you know, May 19th, 2015 was the first letter that we sent over to the IRS with the non-response. We have followed that subsequently with letters to the FTC which oversees nonprofits, and then the letter currently that we have before the IRS, the FTC, and the FBI together.

We have received a referral to the nonprofit's division of the IRS. We think this is important.

And, Maria, we think one of the things that is most significant in this, we know the Clinton Foundation went from 1998 to 2007, and did not report the foreign contributions that they were receiving. They never reported that to the IRS.

And so, we do think there is a reason to move forward with the examination there, via the FTC. There is a reason to question there because they're giving only thirteen percent of what they bring in to their stated mission which, of course, was never altered from when it was the library.

And, you know, Maria, there it charity should be giving more than half of what they bring in. So, there's reason for that review there and then, of course, the FBI, we think they should look at some of these issues around Frank Giustra, Uranium One, Laureate Education, the list goes on and on, the Nigerian land deal.

BARTIROMO: Yes, you mentioned a number of the really more onerous situations and very straightforward. So, the Uranium One deal, for example, Hillary Clinton State Department sold twenty five percent of the U.S.'s uranium to Russia and we should point out that uranium is the stuff that makes nuclear bombs.

BLACKBURN: Nuclear. Right.

BARTIROMO: And then very soon after, the company, Uranium One, donated to the Clinton Foundation, and Bill Clinton got money for a speech in Moscow.

BLACKBURN: That -- that is right, and see when you look at the timeline and the way you always have the participation of Hillary, of Bill, the foundation and the outside entity. That circuitous relationship I should call every -- cause every one concern and it is something that the American people deserve some answers to.

And, you know, now, we know that there were emails that were written by staffers from the State Department requesting appointments or interviews for individuals who had contributed to the foundation. They're saying -- they're finally going to do the right thing if she is elected president.  But this is something that I think they're too far down the road for this to even begin to make a difference in the mind of the voter.

BARTIROMO: But I mean in the mind of the voter, is this going to sway them come November 8th? What if we don't get any details in terms of the investigation and what lawmakers find out any more than we know of course by the election?

BLACKBURN: You know, Maria I think it adds -- it's that compound effect.  People remember the scandals that have always been kind of following along with Bill and Hillary Clinton, and they go back decades. And people know that, and now, they look at once he left the presidency how they operated this foundation.

They never refile their mission to do a global initiative. I think that's why they're going to close it down after this year. They never filed the 990s for foreign contributions and only after she became secretary of state did they alter that process.

BARTIROMO: Yes.

BLACKBURN: It is that web of deception, deceit, of always playing with a different set of rules. And if you or I had done this, we would be in jail.

BARTIROMO: Yes. All right. We'll keep checking back with you, Congresswoman, see what you find out. Thanks so much for joining us.

BLACKBURN: Sure. Thank you.

BARTIROMO: We appreciate it very much. Marsha Blackburn there.

The Obama administration admitting now that it did delay a $400 million payment to Iran as leverage for four American prisoners. Was it a ransom?  Well, it certainly looks like it. Newt Gingrich will join us next on that.

And then Donald Trump's so-called pivot as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures".

Stay with us.

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BARTIROMO: The Obama administration admitting the $400 million that it paid to Iran was in fact done in agreement with the release of four Americans held in the country. Donald Trump claiming President Obama lied about this not being a ransom payment. Newt Gingrich is a former speaker of the house and Fox News contributor.

Mr. Speaker, always pleasure. Thanks so much for joining us.

NEWT GINGRICH, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Good to do with you.

BARTIROMO: Well, if it looks like ransom, and it smells like ransom, I guess this was a ransom payment.

GINGRICH: You know, I'm always surprised that people are surprised that Obama lies. Obama lied about you getting to keep your doctor and he lied about you get to keep your insurance. He lied consistently about this kind of government he wanted to create. Why would you -- he lied about a Syrian redline -- I mean why would you think this is any different?

The reason that Hillary lies so much is if you're a modern liberal Democrat, you can tell the truth and survive. If Obama gone to the country and said, you know, we're going to pay ransom. Yes, it's a dictatorship.  Yes, they're bad people. Yes, they have been kidnapping Americans. But, hey, you got to understand my problem.

The country would have repudiated him overwhelmingly and they count on us just tolerating and shrugging off a routine pattern of lying, while they do things that are really bad. I mean paying $400 million and give -- think about how humiliating this is. We -- because you can't legally use U.S. dollars because Congress passed a law blocking it, they transmitted by the way also illegal to do what they did, which is take dollars, turn them into euros and Swiss francs, bundle them up into -- these bundles are absurdity.  It looks like it's a it's a movie like "Lethal Weapons Nine" or something.

BARTIROMO: It's like a mafia.

GINGRICH: Yes. And so, the United States humiliate itself, flying cash into Iran at the same time that they released for people, which is a total victory for the dictatorship and for terrorists.

BARTIROMO: What would you expect from Hillary Clinton as it relates to Iran? And Donald Trump has said he would get in there and repeal cancel out this nuclear deal with the Iranians. How easy or tough would that be, Newt?

I mean, it's not the kind of situation you can just reverse, right, even as they chant death to America?

GINGRICH: Look, the Iranians routinely break the agreements. Every time, they fire a missile, they are breaking the agreement which block them from testing. As a relatively intelligent lawyer could find plenty of evidence in the last few months that they have broken the agreement so often, that we can -- we can we can initiate and just dropping and say, we're not going to do it. And then, what are they going to do?

You know, what you have here is a phony legalism in which the American subject themselves to the rule of law, while the dictatorship exploits every loophole that can in violation of the rule of law. I think Trump would turn that around.

But Hilary will -- Hillary will be Barack Obama with corruption. I mean, surely as radical as he is, she'll be as driven to do things by executive orders he is. But she'll add a layer of corruption unlike Obama -- there's no evidence that Obama personally is particularly corrupt. She and Bill are so corrupt. They will be the most corrupt couple ever to move into the White House if they win.

BARTIROMO: Meanwhile, we seem to be watching this pivot happening with Donald Trump. We've been talking about this, this morning. Is this a new pivot, Newt?

What's going on right now with his campaign and is he doubling down on, you know, humility, he apologized and he regrets things. Is he going to reach out, for example, to others, who perhaps he may have insulted and what does this mean for his campaign?

GINGRICH: Well, I think there are two characteristics about Trump that are a little contradictory. On the one hand, he's very stubborn, which is a characteristic of very successful people. On the other hand, he's very, very smart.

So, after a while, the amount he learns overwhelms his stubbornness and I think that's what happened here. He figured out that going into a general election was very different from winning the primaries. That really took him five or six weeks, because he'd had done so well in the primaries, I think he didn't want to give up the techniques that were working, but gradually came to realize that wasn't working anymore.

He's brought on two really strong people. I mean, Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway are remarkable talents. And I noticed, all this last week, every single speech starting on Monday with radical Islam and coming all the way up, there was a tonal quality there's even more important in the words. He was reassuring people that he was in control of himself, that he was talking in a reasonable way.

He's a very -- as Ronald Reagan taught us, you can say very strong things, if you say in a very calm tone.

BARTIROMO: Do you think then this could resonate with some of those never Trumpers? Will this pivot resonate with some of the Republicans that have been unwilling to get on board?

GINGRICH: Yes, I think there are three groups there the skeptics are going to come on board pretty fast just because he's getting to be so controlled and so reassuring and his ideas are so compelling. They're going to come on fast.

There are the sort of personal never Trumpers who eventually I think it over particularly as they watch Hillary, and they're going to end up with him.

And then there are people, as I said a moment ago, you know, if you're a real foreign policy, you know, let's go over there and force democracy everywhere and send another million American troops and do the things we need to do and to heck with the cost, you shouldn't be for Trump. I mean, Trump's not gonna do anything you want him to do. You should be for Hillary, because she's going to be much more likely to get us in the next war than Donald Trump is.

BARTIROMO: Yes. Mr. Speaker, good to speak with you. Thanks so much.

GINGRICH: Good to be with you. Thanks.

BARTIROMO: We appreciate it. Newt Gingrich there.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump finally airing his first television ads of the general election season, hammering the system as rigged. Will his claim help them regain the footing in the polls?

Eric Shawn dives into the issue of voter fraud. We're looking ahead and we'll take a look at that next, on "Sunday Morning Futures".

Stay with us.

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BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

New information this morning that Governor McAuliffe of Virginia tomorrow will announce that he has restored voting rights for 13,000 felons on a case-by-case basis and he will be announcing that tomorrow.

Donald Trump is also laying the groundwork for claims of voter fraud. A brand-new television airing in several swing states says that the system is rigged. The Trump campaign is spending $5 million to run the commercials, trying to fire up Republicans in states where early voting gets underway in a few weeks, like North Carolina, for example, court struck down a voter ID law the judges said targeted African-Americans.

Our Fox News senior correspondent Eric Shawn digs deeper into these concerns.

So, you don't need an ID to vote?

ERIC SHAWN, FOX NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Well, it depends upon what state you're in, if it's a photo ID or not, if you have an affidavit. You know, Maria, for years, I've covered investigated voter and election fraud cases here at Fox News, and you won't believe what we found.

Take a look at this. These are absentee ballots that were fake.  Prosecutors in Troy, New York, said politicians simply stole elections by handing in fraudulent ballots that they filled out as real votes. The unsuspecting voters we talked to said they did not even know their votes were robbed.

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SHAWN: So, you didn't write that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did not.

SHAWN: You didn't cast a lot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did not.

SHAWN: Did you vote?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

SHAWN: Did you fill out an absentee ballot?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nope.

SHAWN: Did you fill out an absentee ballot application?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no filling it.

SHAWN: So, your vote was a fraud.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was.

SHAWN: A Kentucky prosecutor said 20 public officials stole elections by buying votes, spending four hundred thousand dollars to buy 8,000 votes over several elections.

You sold your vote. How much did you sell you vote for?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-five dollars

SHAWN: Well, in Cincinnati, veteran poll worker Melowese Richardson was charged voting in the 2008 and 2012 presidential election not once, but two and three times. She pled no contest of four counts, including voting for her sister who had been in a coma for a decade.

In Pennsylvania, seven election officials have been hit with election fraud charges deaths in the last year and a half, from cases of illegal voting to tampering with voting machines and adding phony votes. You know, a 2012 report by a Philadelphia Republican city commissioner found voting by non- registered individuals, voting divisions with more votes than voters, individuals voting more than once, and voting by non-U.S. citizens.

And election fraud actually hit the race for the White House in the 2008 race. Democratic operatives in Indiana were convicted of faking signatures on the presidential petitions that put then-Senator Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the ballot.

So many signatures were phony that authorities said the president may not have actually had enough signatures to qualify for the primary ballot.

Is that your signature on this?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's not my signature.

SHAWN: Did you sign this petition for Barack Obama?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, no.

SHAWN: You did not?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did not sign for Barack Obama.

SHAWN: Someone forged this?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's correct.

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SHAWN: So, this is how it works in Indiana, it is unbelievable. You need 500 signatures from each congressional district in Indiana. In South Bend, President Obama qualified with 534 signatures. The prosecutor said 100 to 200 signatures were fake, so that brings the Obama number down below the legal number that he needed to qualify.

The prosecutor told me he had this been caught at the time, Maria, the president probably would not have qualified for the ballot would have been bounced from that primary ballot. But all this fraud wasn't caught until three years after the election.

BARTIROMO: This is unbelievable, Eric. You've done such good work on this.

We want to bring in -- so congratulations. Thank you.

John Fund is with us. He's columnist for "National Review Magazine".

John, thank you very much for joining us, and you two have done so much work on this.

First off, the Terry McAuliffe situation in Virginia tomorrow, what's your sense? Would that classify as potentially raising a red flag for potential voter fraud?

JOHN FUND, NATIONAL REVIEW COLUMNIST: Well, felons aren't allowed to vote until they get their rights restored. They've proven themselves to be part of the mainstream of society. What Terry McAuliffe is doing is not in the case by case basis. He's trying to put every felon back on the voter rolls, including 232 serious sex offenders.

So, there was no distinction made between what kind of crime you committed and the kind of people Terry McAuliffe wanted to give back the voting rights to.

BARTIROMO: So that could basically come on under review in terms of whether or not this is voting fraud.

FUND: The Supreme Power is already slapped him down and said he can't do it for all 200,000. So, now, he's trying to do it first small segment of that group.

BARTIROMO: How worried are you? What's your reaction to Eric's report?

FUND: Well, we have a sloppy inefficient system, so sometimes you don't know when the sloppiness ends and the fraud begins, because the sloppiness feeds into the fraud. We make it so easy for people to vote in someone else's name.

In New York City, investigators from the New York City Department investigation went out and tried to vote of the names of people who were out-of-state dead or felons. And 61 out of 63 times, they were handed ballots. One of the times, the two times they weren't is because somebody was trying to vote in the name of the son of one of the poll workers.

So, the point is there's a ninety-seven percent success rate because if you don't have an ID laws, Eric said, half the states you don't, there is no way to really catch someone and once they vote, it goes in the ballots with all the other ballots, and you can never segregated out and find out where the fraud is.

BARTIROMO: Eric?

SHAWN: You know, what we saw in 2008, the Norm Coleman and Al Franken race, that they separated by 341 votes. It wasn't until later that studies found at least a thousand felons they believe illegally voted in that race.

FUND: And 200 were convicted.

SHAWN: Two hundred convicted, yes.

So, yes, but that still didn't get to the 341.

FUND: We found out after he was sworn in. You can't do anything.

BARTIROMO: I mean, these no ID States is just it's just mind-boggling.  Who's to stop anybody from voting four times?

FUND: Here's my point I don't think they're very many people who don't have an ID, but if there are, let's get them one, because you can't participate in the mainstream of American life. You can't get a job, you can't get a government benefit, you can't get on Medicare, you can't travel, you can catch a check.

But these groups that are fighting the voter ID laws, if they spent all those legal fees on actually getting people IDs, we wouldn't have this debate.

BARTIROMO: Are we going to see any efforts to stop this, to make sure that we actually see a system that is fair?

SHAWN: Well, the election officials that I've talked to they say that they are confident that any fraud will be caught. They point of these cases, for example, as evidence of that, and in Rhode Island and New Hampshire, the Secretary of State's there say the way to do it is to have an ID with an affidavit. If you don't have the photo ID, you fill out an affidavit, your vote then has a paper trail to be challenged later, if there's any type of --

FUND: Those secretaries of state are Democrats, by the way. They are and they want their honest anti-fraud Democrats.

I think the real issue here is that we have to get groups, outside groups not necessarily filled with campaigns, they're nonpartisan groups like truethevote.org out of Texas, which is a national organization. If they -- if you watch people, if you tap people who pressure prosecutors to pay attention to this as a priority, you can reduce voter fraud.

It's like shoplifting. If you do three things in shoplifting, you reduce shoplifting 40 percent. Put up a camera even if you don't turn it on.  Have a security guard, even if he's asleep. And put up a sign that says prosecutions will take place.

BARTIROMO: Yes.

FUND: You cut shoplifting by 40 percent. It's the same thing with voter fraud.

BARTIROMO: There's also a whole idea, if the IRS is going to target conservatives, right, I mean that's another part of this, because people say you're quieting down an enormous group by targeting them and making them unable to participate.

FUND: But there's no evidence in all of these court cases including the ones you mentioned there was no evidence of anyone has ever been prevented from actually voting. No names were put forward. The issue here is we have to civil rights -- the civil right to of course vote not to be intimidated. That's why we're Voting Rights Act.

BARTIROMO: Right.

FUND: But we also have a civil right not to have your old canceled out by someone who shouldn't be voting, someone who's dead, someone was a felon.  If you get your vote cancel out, it's as if you didn't vote.

BARTIROMO: Right. Well, I know, Eric, you're going to be doing more work on this. It's an important subject. Thank you so much.

SHAWN: Yes, we will be on it. Thank you.

BARTIROMO: Eric Shawn, John Fund, good to see you, sir. Thank you.

Let's get a look at what's coming up top of the hour, "Media Buzz". Here's Howie Kurtz in Los Angeles today.

Hi, Howie.

HOWARD KURTZ, "MEDIA BUZZ" HOST: An early good morning from California, Maria.

We're going to be all over the coverage of the Trump campaign shake-up.  The hiring of the chairman of Breitbart, the conservative website, the impact and the media skepticism about whether he really is regretting as he said in a speech from this past comments.

We'll look at new questions about the Clinton Foundation. And this bizarre Ryan Lochte story, the bogus burglary story, another non-apology with Matt Lauer yesterday. We'll take a look at that as well.

BARTIROMO: Yes, that really is a bizarre story.

Howie, we will see in about 20 minutes. Thank you so much.

We're just about one month away from the first presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. But there are two other candidates hoping to join that debate stage. Green Party nominee Jill Stein will join me live, next. We're looking ahead right now on "Sunday Morning Futures".

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BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

Nearly all of the attention this election cycle has been focused on Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. But there are a few other candidates in the race. Green Party candidate Jill Stein is one of them. To qualify for the presidential debate however, a candidate must pull at 15 percent at least.

The latest Real Clear Politics average of polling shows Mrs. Clinton leading Donald Trump by five and a half percent, libertarian candidate Gary Johnson trails with about eight and a half percent, and Green Party nominee Jill Stein garners just three percent. She joins me right now.

Jill Stein, Green Party presidential nominee.

Good to see you, Jill. Thanks so much for joining us.

JILL STEIN, GREEN PARTY PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Great to be with you, Maria.

BARTIROMO: How are you going to break through the noise and get to that debate stage?

STEIN: Mainly by letting voters know that they have other choices. Right now, the majority of voters do not like this two-party election process and Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have the highest rates of disapproval and dislike of any candidates ever in presidential elections. More people than ever are clamoring for other choices.

BARTIROMO: And we know that for years ago you made a big splash at the presidential debate when it was at Hofstra University, not on stage, but you were -- because you were not permitted to participate, but outside, you protested. You were arrested for disorderly conduct when you try to enter the hall against the police officers orders.

Are you going to be outside again if you don't get in?

STEIN: You can be sure that I will and I won't be alone this time. I think there are a lot of Americans who feel like we not only have a right to vote, we have a right to know who we can vote for, especially in an election where people are tired of being thrown under the bus on jobs, on healthcare, on student debt, and people are clamoring for more choices.

So, let's let a real debate be held and then let's let the American people decide.

BARTIROMO: Let's talk to those people right now. You've got this bloc of people who are very loyal to Hillary Clinton. You got another bloc of people that are that are loyal to Donald Trump. Then you've got this enormous bloc in the middle of independent, some of them undecided right now.

How are you going to resonate with them? What's your most important policy to speak to those people?

STEIN: Well, we need jobs, you know? Instead of sending the jobs overseas, we need jobs and while Donald Trump may talk about stopping these a corporate trade deals, the Trans Pacific Partnership, he himself has been sending his jobs overseas.

So, we need jobs here. We need to end student debt. We bailed out Wall Street. We're calling for the bailout of a generation that's basically been held hostage in unpayable debt.

We need good jobs that pay decent wages. We need healthcare as a human right and we need to solve this climate crisis. For those who ever doubted it, just look at California and let's look at what's happening at Louisiana and the heat waves in the Northeast.

We say solve these, at the same time, we call for a New Deal kind of program, but a green New Deal that will transition us to the energy of the future and the economy of the future.

BARTIROMO: Why should people trust you leading the economy? How are you going to create jobs?

STEIN: Great. So, number one, I'm the only candidate in this race that doesn't take lobbyist money, that doesn't take corporate money and that doesn't have a super PAC.

I'm a physician, not a politician, and I'm in this to help heal are very sick political system so that we can fix all the other things that are literally putting our lives on the line.

And, you know, how will I do this? By unleashing the power of the American people who should be the engine of our democracy, because I'm not on the payroll of the big banks or the war profiteers, I actually have the liberty to stand up for what the American people are clamoring for.

And with an organizer in chief in the White House, we can actually mobilize the public support to instruct our elected representatives who should be representing us not the big money interest who may have been taking marching orders from.

BARTIROMO: What industry do you think is most poised to see job creation under your leadership?

STEIN: You know, I think it's especially clean renewable energy. So, it's -- it's wind, it's solar, it's conservation, it's manufacturing of all the different efficiency devices, and also it's sustainable agriculture that has become so popular in so many communities. We deserve to have a food system that's making us healthy. Right now, our industrial food system is making us sick.

And this, by the way, Maria is how we pay for this. The studies show that we get so much healthier when we moved to an economy of clean energy without pollution, a healthy food system and a transportation system that also allows us to use recreation as transportation, that means safe sidewalk and bike paths.

We get so much healthier that our health savings alone is enough to pay for the cost of the energy transition.

BARTIROMO: That's a really good point. Jill Stein, great to see you.

STEIN: Great to see, Maria.

BARTIROMO: We'll be watching the developments. Thanks so much for joining us.

STEIN: Thank you.

BARTIROMO: All right. Dr. Jill Stein.

The Trump campaign doubling down on its spending for the month of July, what did they get for their money and has it helped?

Our political panel is here. We're looking ahead next on "Sunday Morning Futures" with our panel. Stay with us.

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BARTIROMO: Welcome back. Donald Trump's campaign more than doubled its spending last month, according to the Federal filings, to more than $19 million, that despite a steady payroll buying no TV ads or spending money to build out a ground game.

So where did the money go? About half went to a web design firm, more air travel and consultants. All of that as Mr. Trump says the Republican Party has to reach out more to African-American voters.

I want to bring our panel right now. Ed Rollins, former campaign manager for the Reagan-Bush ticket in 1984. He is part of a Trump super PAC.  Julie Roginsky is here, Democratic strategist and Fox News contributor.  Mary Kissel is with us, a member of the editorial board of "The Wall Street Journal".

Good to see, everybody. Thanks so much for joining us.

In terms of the money raised from -- they had a good July, Ed Rollins, but the way the money is spent very different than the way Hillary Clinton spending the money.

ED ROLLINS, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Right. The big donors have not totally kicked in yet, and my sense is they may not at the end of the day, but he's got enough money to keep moving forward. The critical thing here, he has to build a ground game. If this comes down to three or four percent race, that where it is, and he's there now on TV. They got their first TV ad on, and I think he is much more discipline. I think this new team, Steve Bannon and Kellyanne, who I worked with in many campaigns is a quality, quality professional, and I think that this is a team, that they got to take it across the finish line and certainly, Manafort was not going to do that.

BARTIROMO: Yes, I mean, Julie, he's had a positive reaction to this new team in place so far. It looks like he's also getting a bump in the polls.

JULIE ROGINSKY, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, he has, but let's see what happens next week. Every time Trump does something that's good for 24 or 48 hours, all get excited, the pivot is finally here, it's finally coming, it never comes.

I will say his former campaign team and I think you'll agree with me, committed malpractice. This is money that should have been spent on a ground game. should have been spent on advertising. It should not have gone to overhead the way it has.

He was gouged by his consultants. He was gouged by the people that he paid. They're not giving him good advice. He should have put this on TV, on the air, on ground.

BARTIROMO: Wow.

ROGINSKY: Not what they did with it, which essentially pocket the money.  It is malpractice of the highest degree. If they were lawyers, they would have been disbarred.

BARTIROMO: And at the same time, Hillary Clinton has spent all of her money on just that.

ROGINSKY: Exactly right.

BARTIROMO: Mary, what do you think?

MARY KISSEL, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL: I'm not sure you can blame the consultants fully however. I mean, Donald Trump is Donald Trump, and he's made this campaign about himself. Why was there so much attention to this one word regret in his speech on Friday, it's because we're focusing on Donald Trump's feelings. We're not focusing on his policy ideas or why they're better than Hillary Clinton's.

I think, look, he knew that the campaign was spiraling downwards. He's not leading in any of the polls. There's the prospect of losing the Senate.  It's a good sign that he brought in a pro like Kellyanne Conway as a pollster. But he has to prove that he not only has the temperament to be in office, but that he can sustain some of these messages that he started to lay out in these speeches last week.

We'll see, but the polls don't change overnight.

BARTIROMO: Can he do that?

KISSEL: I don't know if he has the character to do it. He hasn't proved so far. He isn't studying any policy measures. We don't have specifics on what would replace ObamaCare, how he would defeat ISIS, the tax plan for instance.

If you read the speeches, there are a lot of good themes in there. I'm glad that he supports charter schools. I'm glad that he wants to get rid of regulatory tape. I'm glad that he wants to unleash American energy.  That's very positive.

BARTIROM: Yes.

KISSEL: This was a very winnable campaign. I think if you had that campaign structure in place that Julie was talking about and you had a more discipline candidate he'd be ahead by 10 or 20 points at this at this time.

ROLLINS: Newt Gingrich laid out a few minutes ago on your show, that the offense that they need to be on. If this campaign comes down to be about him and his controversies, he's not going to win.

If it's about her and the misfires that she's done, and all misdemeanor crimes, because I don't believe in charging someone with crime, but I think at the end of the day, there's vulnerabilities there. The combination of Obama and what they have done and the paying the Iranian hostages, what- have-you. There's so much stuff there. Newt laid it out very well.

BARTIROMO: Yes.

ROLLINS: I think that's what they have to be.

ROGINSKY: The problem though is, and this continues to be something that's a concern for him is that, Mary is absolutely right, he can't lay it out.  Gingrich may have laid it out. You certainly just laid it out. He can't focus on her. He has to constitutionally only focus on himself, and that's not what people want to hear.

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ROGINSKY: It's pathological. People want to hear how he's going to improve their lives, not what he feels about himself.

KISSEL: And I don't think you can just do it on Twitter and Facebook and at rallies. It was good that he went to Louisiana, but let see him go to a charter school in the Bronx. Let's see him going to downtown L.A., like have more press gaggles, get out there, meet voters, prove that you really care about these communities.

I think Kellyanne Conway will try to push in that direction but ultimately, it's up to the candidates himself.

ROLLINS: He likes the rallies, but the problem with rallies, it's just a small audience, whether it'd be seven thousand or ten thousand. I remind them that a hundred thousand people were Mondale's rally in New York City the day before he lost 49 states.

BARTIROMO: There you go. Bottom line.

Great panel. Thanks, everybody. Thanks for joining us. Have a wonderful --

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