Brazilian police say Ryan Lochte lied about Rio robbery

Lochte defends account: 'We wouldn't make this up'


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 18, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

Breaking new developments today out of Rio on that alleged robbery reported by four Olympic swimmers from America. This afternoon, Brazil's police chief held a news conference and said it never happened, and that it was all made up.


TRANSLATOR: At this exact moment, what the police can confirm is there was no robbery in the way that it was reported by the athletes. They were not the victim of the criminal facts that they described.


PERINO: Police say there was a series of contradictions from the athletes from the start and one or more of the swimmers actually carried out acts of vandalism at a gas station last weekend. So earlier, an Olympic spokesman tried to calm everything down.


MARIO ANDRADA, RIO 2016 SPOKESMAN: Let's give the kids a break. You know, sometimes you take actions that you later regret. They are magnificent athletes. Lochte is one of the best swimmers of all time. They had fun, they made a mistake, it's part of life, life goes on.


PERINO: Let's get the latest from Fox News' Steve Harrigan who joins us live from Rio. This has been a wild story, Steve. Can you sum it up for us?

STEVE HARRIGAN, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: A wild story with really intense interest. We just saw two of the swimmers leave the police station. They were surrounded by a huge crowd of media, a very angry press conference by the chief of police in Rio today. He said basically the four American swimmers owe this city an apology. He said they made up a fantastic lie. He said there was no robbery, no violence, and no victims. He said that what there was were four drunken Americans, who went into a gas station bathroom, smashed mirrors, caused damage, and then tried to leave without paying for it. He even supplied a motive. He said the swimmers were with two women beforehand and they lied because they didn't want people to find out about it. As far as the three swimmers who are still in Brazil, they had their passports seized, but the police chief said now that they've given their testimony, which he claims confirms what he said in the press conference, he said he sees no reason to keep them in Brazil any longer. Two of them were pulled off a plane last night, so we could see them leaving the country in the near term. Dana.

PERINO: I'm sure they want to get out of there. We are going to take it around the table here. Eric Bolling has got a question.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So, Steve, just talk to us a little bit -- you know, we've been hearing about this all day. We were talking about a little bit why there's such intense media coverage of this story. But, again, on one side you have national pride. You have the Brazilians saying these Americans lied about our country, our country isn't like that. On the other hand, you have as you point out the Brazilians pulling Americans off an airplane over something that you know could be as innocent as a lie about what happened. So that's one sense. But you know given a sense can they be held for anything literally, can they be jailed for any of this?

HARRIGAN: I think you're right that pride is a real big factor in this. Brazil has really been taking a pounding in these Olympic Games for green water in the swimming pool, the Zika virus. And over and over again, athletes going out at night and getting robbed. There were two more this week, one from Great Britain, one from Australia, robbed at gun point, taken to ATMs. I think part of the reason this has gotten the press it has is because it's a very high profile American, the six-time gold medalist Lochte. As far as what charges they could face, they could face technically up to three years in jailing for filing a false police report, but it sounds like the police chief really doesn't have the chops to try and pursue that. I don't think there is any real desire to pursue this any further.


JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: So, Steve, Ryan Lochte, who is well known, I guess he's only -- only Michael Phelps is better known than Lochte in terms of American swimmers. So he was on TV here in the United States talking to Matt Lauer and he said why would we make up such a story? That doesn't look good for Ryan Lochte. What do you think is in his mind? What were these guys thinking? What were they doing?

HARRIGAN: I think the one thing you can point out about Lochte's story, it's changed over time. Initially, he said a gun was held to his forehead and cocked and that they were pretty much ran off the road by another vehicle. Then that changed, he said a gun was pointed at him and that they were robbed while stationary at a gas station. I think the one key fact here that even police chief can't deny is that these four swimmers had a gun pointed at them, gave money, and then were allowed to leave the scene. So it doesn't sound like a squared deal anyway you look at it.

PERINO: Kimberly.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yeah. So, any idea in perhaps of how even the Olympic Committee, maybe they want to handle this, the U.S. teams to say perhaps like a very sincere apology, specifically to the people of Rio. Because yes, they've been having a tough time prior to the Olympics, during the Olympics, with a little bit of bad PR, and maybe they could find something to make this go away.

HARRIGAN: I think you're right that there are losers on both sides of this so far. But it seems like there's still a lot of anger on both sides. There is anger on the part of the police who really feel like their city got smeared by the Americans and by Lochte in particular. And you have Lochte saying that at that videotape that has been released doesn't show the whole story, that there's been some editing. So I think we're ways and ways from an apology, still some real anger on both sides in this issue.

PERINO: Gutfeld.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Steven, is there any truth to the rumor that President Obama will be sending a plane filled with $500 million to Rio to get the swimmers back?

HARRIGAN: I can't confirm that, Greg.


PERINO: Do you have a real question?

GUTFELD: No, I don't.

GUILFOYLE: How happy is Michael Phelps that he's married with a baby and wasn't out there?

GUTFELD: He married a baby?


PERINO: We're going to let you go, Steve. Get back to your work and we'll kick it on the table a little bit more here. Thank you so much for joining us.

So this story, Eric, was the front page of the New York Post on Saturday.

BOLLING: Yeah. And it's literally leading every news cast. Let me do this. Can I start with by no means am defending Ryan Lochte for lying if he did lie? But I'll tell you a story. This is a true story. There's a punch line at the end. Twenty years ago, I was in Rio de Janeiro.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

BOLLING: It was a very, very similar situation where they just came off an economic downturn. They're trying to recover. It was a dangerous city. We go from the hotels area to the restaurant areas. We always take a cab, you don't want to do anything else, but take a cab. We took a cab every single day. About the fourth day, I think it was a Friday night, and that's relevant. The cab goes out of its way, doesn't go directly to the restaurant area. We get pulled over by police. Police pull us out. Now, you know, if you're in Rio, you lock your passport in a safe because you don't want your passport stolen. Otherwise, you can't leave. Police say, get out of the car, show us your passports. We didn't have passports. They said you're going to jail until Monday, until the judge sees you. So, now, we're thinking we're -- we're in a Brazilian jail over the weekend. And so I'm trying to negotiate this. I'm the only one that speaks Spanish. They speak Portuguese. By about 20 minutes into this, I pull out money, I handed a $100 bill to the guy. Within two minutes, we're taking pictures with these guys s with their Uzis.


BOLLING: I have pictures of this. I couldn't find -- the four guys, one of the guys says he has a picture. He's coming back from California. I hope they have it by tomorrow. But my point is this, it's almost the exact same story that Lochte is telling. Now, if he's lying, I don't back him up at all. The other thing is, this was 20 years ago, and Rio has gone through some economic development since. But it was a dangerous place.


GUILFOYLE: . blame it on Rio?

BOLLING: Brazilians are getting mad about this, but honestly, that stuff goes on. Here's what else I think. Every Olympian, especially a guy with six gold medals, should have security with him at all times.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, I agree.

BOLLING: Just travel with security.


GUTFELD: Lyin' Ryan, Lyin' Ryan, crooked conger.



GUTFELD: Lock-up Lochte.

WILLIAMS: Get him out of here.

GUILFOYLE: Get him out of here. Go back to your mommy.


GUTFELD: You know what this story is really about? It is about how you can't make up stories anymore. Because 20 years ago, there wasn't as much surveillance.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: So when you tell a story about being robbed or whatever, there's surveillance at a gas station that will show up and make you look like a fool. So I think what's happening is, it makes me think if we had this surveillance years ago, how many hoaxes, how many of those would have fallen apart the moment you saw the tape? I think that's going to change. Now, not only do you have to get your story straight, you have to pray there's no surveillance. And there is no way around surveillance.

PERINO: Well, in this case, we don't have any social media post, but that does play a role, too. Juan, do we hold our Olympic athletes to too high a standard?

WILLIAMS: No, because they're Olympic athletes. I think they're in a situation where you think they would have security. Now, the other part of it is, they were not supposed to be taking private cabs. They were supposed to be taking vehicles from the Olympic village that were authorized and had some protection. They chose to go privately and out late at night. The initial story was hey, you know, they went out to have fun, but they chose not to take the Olympic village vehicles and took the cabs of their own volition.

GUILFOYLE: This is like -- do you remember, don't go anywhere without security.


GUTFELD: Could have been like a new Olympic event, synchronized intoxication.


GUTFELD: Slalom urination.


PERINO: Slalom urination?


PERINO: Do you think that sounds like a good idea?

BOLLING: It's a winter sport.


PERINO: It has to be in a temperature. It has to be just right. Now, Kimberly, we may not take security because I just wanted to go and have fun.


PERINO: So now they're like let's go party.


GUILFOYLE: Right. Does anyone at this table relate to that?

PERINO: Eric Bolling, Greg Gutfeld?


GUTFELD: Again, no surveillance back when I was young.

BOLLING: Yeah. The security, all they would have done is kept their stories straight and may get them into trouble.


BOLLING: It wouldn't keep them from having fun though.

GUILFOYLE: You know, honestly, it would have been a good idea for them to have security. But it sounds like, shall we say, they had some female company. .


GUTFELD: They weren't supposed to, so they made up a story.

WILLIAMS: I really think that's the heart of this.


WILLIAMS: You think the female company was paid?

GUILFOYLE: We didn't say that.

GUTFELD: I didn't say that. I didn't say that.

GUILFOYLE: We didn't say that.

GUTFELD: But some people have said.


GUILFOYLE: Maybe they had girlfriends. Maybe they had girlfriends.


WILLIAMS: Yeah. In fact, I think it was -- one of them was texting on Reddit and saying oh, yeah, the sex parties start once the games are done.

GUILFOYLE: What sex parties? You're thinking of the secret service.



PERINO: A totally different story, but very similar. All right. We've got to run. Donald Trump accused Hillary Clinton of being anti-police. And today, Clinton met with law enforcement and took some swipes at him. That's ahead.


GUILFOYLE: Donald Trump called himself the law and order candidate and accused his opponent of betraying law enforcement earlier this week.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Law and order must be restored. There's no compassion in tolerating lawless conduct for anyone. Just like Hillary Clinton is against the miners, she is against the police. Believe me. Those peddling the narrative of cops as a racist force in our society, a narrative supported with a nod by my opponent, shared directly in the responsibility for the unrest in Milwaukee.


GUILFOYLE: Well, Clinton pushed back at Trump's claims today during a meeting with police leaders and also took some swipes at her opponent.


HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think it's obvious that recent events from Dallas to Baton Rouge, Milwaukee, and across the country, underscore how difficult and important the work is ahead of us to repair the bonds of trust and respect between our police officers and our communities. We have to be clear-eyed about the challenges we face. We can't ignore them and certainly we must not inflame them. We need to work together to bridge our divides, not stoke even more divisiveness.


GUILFOYLE: All right. A little difference in delivery there. Eric, what do you make of Trump's law and order speech?

BOLLING: I'm not sure of Trump's law and order speech. We talked about that. But I do think this is a new tone from the candidate, Hillary Clinton, which is very interesting, very nice. I hope she means what she's saying. Let's give her the benefit of the doubt and say she means what she says. We need to stop stoking the divisiveness. That would be great. And let's start with the Democrats.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Dana, what do you think, was it a good kind of like counter-measure -- counter punch to Donald Trump's speech?

PERINO: Yeah, a little bit also because of the visual, and who she met with. . And if you look at these police chiefs, there was a representative of Los Angeles, New York, Tucson, and then Camden County, New Jersey, Philly and also in Dallas counties. So all of those cities have big, significant problems, and her sitting down with them, at least being willing to listen, not a bad look for her.

GUILFOYLE: How about the timing of this, Dana? Do you think it should have come.

PERINO: Her team says this was planned for a long time. I would imagine that is so, because it's hard to get that group of people all in one room, on a dime like after Trump's speech. I don't think that was the case. So I think this was preplanned and probably just coincidental, but good timing for her.

GUILFOYLE: Does it help alleviate some of the stigma from the DNC where the people were critical because she had some of the mothers -- you know, people that have been slain by officers but nobody who had family members that police officers had been killed.

PERINO: Well, they did have some, that didn't get a lot of attention at that night when they were talking about the people who had been victimized by police, shot by police. There were some that there were. But I think what matters the most out of this is not necessarily what she says or what that picture looks like, because in a way, do you really have to read that from a piece of paper?


PERINO: But it depends on what these police chiefs go back and tell their -- the people that report to them.

GUILFOYLE: The rank and file.


GUILFOYLE: So, Greg, do you think like when you notice -- when you look at the two of those kinds of juxtaposed, one seems very passionate. I mean, Trump comes off passionate on what have of police and law enforcement, you saw Sheriff Clarke in the rally just the other night. And then, Hillary was sort of looking down and reading, and didn't seem as enthused.

GUTFELD: Can we show Hillary at that meeting just so we can show? I'm just so happy that Fidel Castro leant his jacket to her. It looks great on her. Look, I have to agree with Eric on this. There's an encouraging trend going here. Both candidates see the light, or are claiming to see the light, that after so many years of anti-police bias, the pendulum seems to be swinging back away from emotion-based hysteria and anti-police bias to actually thoughtfulness. The police aren't evil, there may be some bad apples here and there, but they are there to protect and serve. People are coming to their senses. But this is the aftermath of the media bias against police. What happened after that was more assaults and death through the Ferguson effect. I think the Ferguson effect, although it's inconclusive, people are beginning to admit that the spikes in homicides and the spikes in crime in specific cities are due to the police cognizant of the fact that they could be in big trouble, even when they try to do their job. So I think this is actually a good thing because we realize America has the last word on this. It's not the media. It's America that says we've had enough.

GUILFOYLE: I like that. Juan, do you think this was sufficient for Hillary to kind of really broaden her base and do some outreach with law enforcement and their communities and those that protect and seven across the country?

WILLIAMS: Right. So much of this depends can really on who you're talking to. So I'm listening to all of you and I'm thinking it's time for a word from another planet, which is you know non-white America. Because non- white America says why is Clinton playing footsie with the cops at this moment when we're so anxious for somebody to acknowledge the reality that there's excessive force used against black people in this country by cops. And you know what, this has been an ongoing problem. It's not a new problem. But just like we talked about in the first segment, the benefit of video surveillance, it's come to America's attention because now you can see it, and there are arguments about well, you didn't see this on the tape, you don't know if this guy said this or that, or you know aftermath, hands-up, don't shoot, turned out to be bogus, all of that conversation. So that's why you had the mother's movement on the stage at the Democratic Convention. So clearly, Clinton previously said you know maybe white America can put themselves in the shoes of some black folks, especially poor black people in a segregated section of town like Milwaukee.


WILLIAMS: And realize the cops are portrayed as the thin blue line between the folks that Trump was talking about 40 miles away (inaudible). And people who live there and are trying to say, we need cops to protect us. I know I need cops in D.C. to protect me. It's not anti-cops. It is just I don't want cops to beat me up or shoot my kids.


GUTFELD: Yes. The point is you can have legitimate arguments like that without relying on false information.

WILLIAMS: Correct. But what you get is a situation that boils up and you get Black Lives Matter, right?



WILLIAMS: Now, I have lots of -- they have no real information. They have no agenda. And when leadership, congressional leadership, Obama, anybody, local police, in this town, when they say let's talk, they're like, we don't want to talk. We don't even want police. They don't even want police. Are they out of their mind?

GUILFOYLE: What does that show you? I mean, this is just nonsense. Why do you give audience to people who talk so crazy like that?


WILLIAMS: They're taking advantage of a legitimate root grievance.


BOLLING: Hold on a second. So you didn't like the fact that Hillary Clinton sat down with the police.


WILLIAMS: What KG was saying to me, what everybody at this table is saying was she's reaching out now to kind of white America, who might respond positively to Trump's message, I'm the law and order guy. And saying to them hey, no, I like police, I like law and order, but I don't appreciate people who would ignore the legitimate grievance coming from the black community.

BOLLING: Should she have that same concern about sitting down with Black Lives Matter?

WILLIAMS: Yeah. But let me just say that when she was with the NAACP, she said it doesn't serve anybody well that you're shooting at police. When you shoot at the police, she said to the NAACP, you should give her credit for this, you're shooting at all of us. That's the truth.

GUILFOYLE: Well, the voters will decide if she is making a case in law and order. All right. Ahead, the story behind this heartbreaking image of a little boy injured by an air strike in Syria, it's put a spotlight back on the civil war in the country and the Obama administration's failed foreign policy, coming up next.


BOLLING: Five years ago today, President Obama called for Syria's leader Bashar al-Assad to step aside. And we all remember his infamous empty redline promises that followed.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: A red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. The world is watching. If you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences, and you will be held accountable. I have made clear that the use of chemical weapons is a game changer.


BOLLING: Hillary Clinton also called for Assad to go five years ago as Secretary of State.


CLINTON: The transition to Democracy in Syria has begun and it's time for Assad to get out of the way. The people of Syria deserve a government that respects their dignity, protects their rights, and lives up to their aspirations. Assad is standing in their way. For the sake of the Syrian people, the time has come for him to step aside.


BOLLING: So where are we now? Assad remains in power because the Obama administration failed to make him go, ISIS has risen, and Syria has spiraled into a bloody civil war. Hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost, thousands of them children. These haunting images right here of a little boy harmed by an air strike in Aleppo yesterday are a reminder of the horrors overseas. He's five years old, he's Omran Daqneesh, he was rescued from the rebel of a destroyed building with his family, covered with dust, blood drying on his face, his left eye swollen shut and he's in a state of severe shock. As a father, as an American, and as a human being, it's simply heartbreaking to see these images. Greg, they're calling this the image that shocked the world.

GUTFELD: But the thing about this picture, this is the one that we can show you.


GUTFELD: There are thousands of children that you can't show because their bodies we cannot depict because they're dead. We have to be honest about this when we talk about what side you should be on, because we had this debate five years ago. There are people at this table that says we are not into nation building, this is not our fight. Then we have others that say we have to do something. And America is in a possible situation. If we don't do something, we are damned. If we do do something and there's collateral damage, we create children like that, we hit hospitals. So, the moment we go in, we open ourselves up. I think we must do something.


GUTFELD: It's impossible to be an isolationist when you see by pure luck of where you are born, this is what happens.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, well, this is the...


GUTFELD: I was born in San Mateo. I wasn't born in Syria. That is pure luck.


BOLLING: You don't agree with it?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. What I want to say is that this is, you know, the byproduct of it. When you see images like this and the suffering that continues to happen over there, you can't turn a blind eye to it. We should have done something when we said we were going to.

Dictators and people like this look for clues and messages, and when you have a president that says he's going to draw the red line and does nothing, it's feckless, and that's a nice way of putting it.

ISIS is now operational in 28 countries, OK? So the fact that they were called the J.V. team, the fact that we didn't follow up when we drew the red line, it's awful. I mean, this is the result. And when you look at that picture there, it should tell you how much has gone wrong over this failed foreign policy of Barack Obama. And you ask yourself do you want four more years of that?

BOLLING: I want my friend Juan to hold on for one second, because Dana, you were one of the first to point out that that red line drawn that he didn't follow up on, Barack Obama, was going to come back and haunt him, and it seems to be.

PERINO: Right. And now the next president will have to deal with it, as well.


PERINO: I called it the day that President Obama wrecked the world. It might be a little melodramatic, but I think that there are consequences for actions, but there are also consequences for inaction.

We have 450,000 innocent people have been killed. There's been a realignment in the region where now you have Russia trying to do our work, but they're actually helping Assad, and they're using Iranian air bases to do so.

Sometimes you can lead from so far behind that you end up kicking your own rear end.


PERINO: The other thing about this picture about this little boy is there was another picture about two years ago, and it was a little boy that washed up on shore. Remember that? And that was when we talked about the refugee crisis.

The refugee crisis that is affecting Europe right now and that is really destroying communities. I mean, it is tearing Europe apart. That could have been prevented if we'd acted. Now that, again, is hindsight is 20/20. If we had acted, there would be other consequences, and we might be complaining about what he or -- did or didn't do at that time. But I also believe that the next -- that President Obama should do what he could -- what he can to set up the next president for at least some sort of action that they can take in January.

BOLLING: Juan, I don't want to leave you alone, so you -- I think you and I may have been the people that Greg were talking about at the table who said we're not into nation building, and maybe this isn't our fight.

WILLIAMS: Well, the question is, were the American people war-wary after what had gone on in Iraq, what's going on in Afghanistan and the troops and all the rest and questions about exactly what we can do and can't do. Remember, the Congress would not authorize President Obama, as much as President Obama is responsible for having drawn the red line, when he slowed down and went to Congress, they never said, "Oh, yes, go right ahead. Here's the authorization."

PERINO: But the key point on that, Juan, is that he didn't need their permission to do it. Congress said, "We believe that you have the authorization to do it, to fight terrorism."

WILLIAMS: No, that was the Republicans who said that, and they're the majority, so arguably yes. But the reason he slowed down was he said he wanted, because of the political resistance in this country from both sides, everybody being a little leery of getting into another big conflict, he wanted Congress behind him and Congress wouldn't go.

But I've got to tell you, I'm with Eric on this. You know, my grandson's 6. I saw that picture today, I thought, you know, how can we not do anything to help that little guy?

By the way, I mean, it turns out he has no brain injury. He's been discharged.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you, God.

WILLIAMS: He's back with his mother and father. And he's got, I think, 1- , 6-, and 11-year-old siblings, and they're all back together, so that's great.

But I would point out that I think, at this point, the key is that the bombing that took place was done apparently by the Russians...

PERINO: Right.

WILLIAMS: ... who are going after, now, the people who are opposed to Assad. This is madness.

BOLLING: And -- and I've been with you on this, as well. But some of the people -- there are those who think that the void, the vacuum that was left in place by Obama not doing anything, was filled by...


BOLLING: ... ISIS and the Russians.

WILLIAMS: The Russians. And by the way, the Russians now...

GUILFOYLE: And we spent $1 billion to train the Free Syrian Army. Unbelievable.

BOLLING: They want us to move on to this. Another Obama administration foreign policy failure, our disastrous deal with Iran. Remember that $400 million cash payment to the mullahs on the same day four American prisoners were released? The White House denied it was ransom money, but today, the State Department has essentially admitted it.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.


JOHN KIRBY, STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN: I've characterized the central finding of the story, which was that the -- that the payment of the $400 million was not done until after the prisoners were released, I'm not disputing that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In basic English, you're saying that you wouldn't give them the $400 million in cash until the prisoners were released, correct?

KIRBY: That's correct.


BOLLING: Whoopsie. All right, Dana, dismantle this a little bit. What did we just hear there?

GUILFOYLE: Unpack it.

PERINO: So remember when President Obama did this press conference, and is like, "You silly people, we already talked about this."

BOLLING: Laughed at us.

PERINO: "Come on. We already knew all of this." And I think in their brains that they could rationalize it. They would say, "Well, we had already made the deal with Iran. We had already said that their money was going to be released. We already knew that we were going to get our prisoners back, and it just happened to happen on the same day. Who cares?"

Well, it matters in that, if the rest of the world believes that you pay money for prisoners, American prisoners, that's a problem.

But secondly, I don't understand their extreme need for so much secrecy. Why not just be transparent about it up front? Because now it looks like they're caught in another situation of trying to make their Iran deal look better than it actually is.

GUTFELD: I'm actually -- I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I might actually -- I might defend the deal in the sense that, if I were them, I would have been honest and I'd say, "We didn't pay for the prisoners. We got them back."

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: "This deal -- this deal was done. We owed the $500 million from the seizure from the Iran hostage crisis in 1979. We were supposed to send it over, and then we said, 'You know what? We're not going to send it to you until we get these people back.' And Iran's like, 'Oh, wait a minute. That's not part of the deal.' Well, guess what, 'Art of the Deal,' we did it."

And I would actually -- I would have come out and said, "We screwed Iran on this."


GUTFELD: But instead, they played secrecy, and they look stupid.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I mean, there's no excuse or justification that they lied about it.


GUILFOYLE: That's the thing. I mean, my God, we're not supposed to negotiate with terrorists, OK, or state sponsors of terrorism like Iran. We throw so much money at them. They screw us, can I say that?

GUTFELD: I just did.

GUILFOYLE: Every time. I mean, it's just unbelievable. And I don't get it. It's like we don't learn. And it's like, why are we doing this? Because the money that the U.S. is giving, congratulations, Obama administration, all of that money just went to groups like Hezbollah and Hamas and people that commit acts of terror internationally. It's unbelievable.

BOLLING: Juan, are we opening it up for more Americans to be taken for ransom money?

WILLIAMS: No, not at all. I don't think we paid ransom. I mean, I actually agree with what Greg said. But I will say this. You know, this is a situation where Americans, you know, I think were not clear up front, and they should have been up front about it that we're not giving you the money, which was a separate negotiation. But we're not giving you the money until we are comfortable.

But I think what we're seeing today is people who don't like the Iran deal, they're using this to attack the administration.

BOLLING: All right. We've got to go.

GUILFOYLE: And we didn't get our FBI agent, that guy -- I wouldn't...

PERINO: Levinson.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, Levinson. Why -- I mean, who makes that deal without getting him back, and it's confirmed, even by the State Department, that he is, in fact, in Iran? I can't take it.

BOLLING: I've got to go. You guys, they're killing me. I took my earpiece out, because they're yelling at me.

PERINO: Is that why?

BOLLING: Next, driverless cars may soon be coming to a road near you. But is America prepared for the impact they could have? Jobs, safety, and the imminent takeover of the human race by robots.


BOLLING: If you can't tell, there's a monologue next.



GUTFELD: Uber plans to allow people to order self-driving cars from their phones. Ford now says it will have a fully driverless sedan ready to roll in just five years. Hooray and the opposite of hooray.

Hooray because technology always brings more productivity, pleasure and autonomy to our lives. A driverless car reduces human error, the culprit behind a major killer: the car crash. As for distracted teens and drunks, their hands won't be behind the wheel. In a perfect world, we'd have automated judges and politicians, too, eliminating all impulsiveness and emotion-based decisions, dammit.

As for job loss, technology does that. Just ask any artisanal weaver. And you could blame NAFTA, but you're letting assembly-line robots off the hook. And remember, the first robots freed all classes from the time-consuming labors of home life. They were once called appliances.

Which leads to the downside: free time. As a human, we ask one question each morning when you get up: What will you do? The difficulty of that answer directly affects the effort need to get out of bed. When you know what to do, you're up before the alarm. But ambivalence brings paralysis. We've all been there. The devil makes work for idol hands isn't just an old saying, it's a modern reality.

So as machines replace more of what we do, the question becomes even more vital: what will you do? Hope and pray the answer isn't nothing.

So, Eric, you drive a lot.


GUTFELD: Is it going to be hard for you to relinquish control of your vehicle?

BOLLING: I can't wait for driverless cars. I actually think it's going to save lives, I do. I know that moral dilemma of, you know, driving off the cliff to save the dog in the road. I get that. But they'll fix that.


BOLLING: With time, technology will fix that, as well.

In the meantime, I think we're on a path of saving lives. But more important -- not more importantly, equally as important, as technology progresses, so does our productively and so does our innovation. And we'll become a smarter, wealthier -- that wealth will expand around the globe -- wealthier globe, world, and it's good. I'm all for it. I'm all for technology exceeding, pushing forward. I know you're not, though.

GUTFELD: I am, I am. I'm for it. I'm just scared of robots.

But Dana, speaking of...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: A little joke there. Anyway, what was I going to say? About the free time, that there will be fewer jobs. People will have more time to do stuff. What happens when nobody is working anymore? Do we turn hobbies into paid occupations, like could you get paid to play chess? I don't know.

PERINO: Or learning to play tennis.


PERINO: Remember when we were in an Obamacare debate, and one of the things Nancy Pelosi said is that this is going to free you up to be able to pursue things that you want to do.


PERINO: The thing is, is that nobody ever goes and does those things. Like, how often do you keep one of your New Year's resolutions?

The other thing is the cost benefit analysis in terms of job loss.


PERINO: Truck drivers, taxi cab drivers, that's -- that is something we should also try to think about.


PERINO: Another good point you didn't mention in here...


PERINO: Probably because you don't like old people, is that this would give senior -- I'm kidding. I know you like old people. That it would give senior citizens a lot more mobility. Because if you get older and you can't drive, or it's not safe for you to drive any more, a driverless car would at least allow you to be able to go visit your friends or go to the doctor, go to the grocery store, et cetera.

GUILFOYLE: That's nice.

GUTFELD: Yes, it is nice. I think, Kimberly, will you use a driverless car?



GUILFOYLE: Let me tell you something. This is so funny. You know what really freaks me out?


GUILFOYLE: The car, you just press the button, and you have -- the keyless. Oh, my. It makes me nervous, because I feel like -- and that's what I do. I don't know why. I'm, like, getting better about it. But I didn't love that. It didn't make sense to me.

GUTFELD: When you push that button, a kitten across the country gets a small, electric shock.



GUILFOYLE: Maybe that's why it's upsetting.


WILLIAMS: I -- I'm interested in the numbers on this, because I saw in the polling that 48 percent of Americans say great idea. Fifty percent say, "No, don't do this." And I've got to believe it's the seniors that you think will be liberated, because you know, it's just like when your dad or mom get old and you think, "I'm going to take the keys." They don't want to give up the keys. With this, go ahead in the driverless car.

But the other part of it is -- and I'm so surprised that robot-fearing Gutfeld didn't bring this up -- what happens when the hackers get involved? Because it's all computerized. So the hackers come...

GUILFOYLE: And they drive you off the cliff.

WILLIAMS: They do all kinds of things. They get involved, because they can control. And it will be fleets. It will be fleets, like they're doing in Pittsburgh with all the Uber cars.


WILLIAMS: So what if somebody, you know, gets in there, hacks the Uber network and starts sending those cars, you know, to Dana's house?

GUILFOYLE: But it's nice for, like, the elderly and the handicapped people that otherwise wouldn't be able to...

PERINO: Plus, when you get home after a night out, you don't have to drive the babysitter home.

GUTFELD: That is so true.

WILLIAMS: You just kick her out.

GUILFOYLE: Mothers Against Drunk Drivers would like that, too.

GUTFELD: I'm going to go now.

GUILFOYLE: OK, we're going.

GUTFELD: All right. Next, we take on Internet trolls, those users who have nothing else to do in life besides post -- posting hateful messages about my glasses online. You know who you are. I've been reading every one of them.


WILLIAMS: The Internet is a remarkable place, but it can have its down sides.

GUILFOYLE: Ohhh! Gosh!

WILLIAMS: With the free flow of information also comes the free flow of opinions, and not everyone is engaging in polite discourse online. There are a lot of these so-called trolls out there who are using the web to threaten and to harass.


WILLIAMS: "TIME" magazine has a new cover story about it. And, you know, there's so much interesting here. So Greg, I'll just open the door.

GUTFELD: To me? A side benefit is a troll online means one less troll outside, and you can ignore a troll online; you can't on the subway. There should be a test. If you don't know you're a troll, when you tweet, do you tweet sometimes in all caps? Do you mention somebody's physical attribute? Do you use the "B" word or "C" word towards a woman? Do you use an "N" word towards somebody like Juan? Do you find sending pictures of Obama dressed in, like, native gear to be amusing? If you like to send pictures of ovens to people who are Jewish, that makes you a troll.

Now, you can tweet at me whatever you want, and I can diagnose it. I understand the troll disorder better than anybody.

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, recently, this guy, Milo Yiannopoulos, you know, guy at Breitbart?


WILLIAMS: He got banned, because he went after this black woman who was in "Ghostbusters" so aggressively. Thrown out.

PERINO: They banned him for life. And the other thing is, not just on Twitter, social media, but NPR, I believe I read today they have -- they have eliminated all of their comment sections on their website, so after the articles, because it just got so hateful.

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, what's interesting, Kimberly, is they say about 55 percent of the people who (AUDIO GAP)

... are women. Just women.

GUILFOYLE: Did somebody just bleep Juan?

WILLIAMS: But women use this kind of language. That's what I'm saying...

GUILFOYLE: Got to go wash your mouth out with soap after all that.

GUTFELD: There is a study. There's a study.

PERINO: Women do do that, yes.

GUTFELD: It says 50 percent of women using disparaging language.

WILLIAMS: What did you think I was saying? That's what I'm saying.

GUILFOYLE: Saying those are bad words to say.

BOLLING: Fifty-one percent of the population, right?

WILLIAMS: Yes, well, no, no. I would think that women would discuss it with other women.

BOLLING: Such a sexist...

PERINO: What drives me crazy is when they say in their Twitter profile, it's like, "I'm a Christian," and then there's like -- somebody wished me to die today.

GUTFELD: But their description is always, like, "God fearing," all this stuff, a grandfather.

GUILFOYLE: You know what it is? These are people are very unhappy. You know, it's sad.

BOLLING: I would just like -- all right, Susan. Let's peace.

WILLIAMS: They've driving us out of here. "One" -- in an automatic car. "One More Thing" up next.

GUILFOYLE: Could you imagine?


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Eric.

BOLLING: You know in airports, before you can get in an airplane, you can dispose of your glass and your bottles and whatnot, make sure you don't do anything wrong when getting in line -- getting onto the airplane.

In Aspen, they have a new twist on that. Take a look at this. It's the new pot dispensary where you can drop your pot in there so you don't do anything illegal, in case you're flying to a state that doesn't allow pot. By the way, that bin has probably never been full.

GUILFOYLE: And who takes it?

BOLLING: I guess the people getting off the plane go right to that pot dispensary.

GUILFOYLE: Anybody want a freebie?

PERINO: Recycle. It's always very important.


GUILFOYLE: I'm so glad this is something I did not have to worry about. Now this is pretty cute. So this is a man loses his phone during the bungee jump. It gives new meaning to the phrase "dropped call."


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ahhh! Yes! Oh, (EXPLETIVE DELETED)! I dropped my phone!


GUILFOYLE: I mean, it's pretty funny. Only people would be crazy enough to do that. Of course, a nice Irishman with the little Irish Gaelic accent learning a valuable lesson. That was in South Africa, by the way.

PERINO: I've got a good story about the Olympics, OK, to round out this show. Three U.S. women made history last night in Rio, placing one, two, and three in the 100-meter hurdles. Brianna Rollins took gold. Nia Ali took silver, and Kristi Castlin took bronze. It's a historic win, became the first sweep by any country in the event and the first sweep in history for U.S. women. So congratulations.

GUILFOYLE: Go, ladies!

WILLIAMS: They crushed it.

PERINO: They did it in, like, 12, 4 and 8 seconds. It was amazing.

Juan, you're next.

WILLIAMS: All right. So Dana and her husband, Peter; Megan Albana (ph), our producer, we went to see a play this week, "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime." It's a good play about autism. It's a British teen who has this disorder. And there has been an increase in recent years in the number of people who report autism. But it's still a mystery as to how the disease originates. It's unique to every person. Everybody has a different experience with autism. Now the research is focusing heavily on DNA dysfunction.

But I thought this is such a great play, because it was about how you see the world differently, and that's what really opened my eyes to, is that here's someone with great talent that saw the world so differently than I could ever imagine.

GUILFOYLE: Very nice, Juan.


GUTFELD: Just a reminder that "The McLaughlin Group's" final episode is this weekend. They decided not to go on after the passing of the namesake, John McLaughlin, who was a brilliant man, pioneered panel shows like this. If it wasn't for "The McLaughlin Group," there probably would be no Five."


GUTFELD: So you can thank John McLaughlin or, I don't know.

PERINO: Or not.

GUTFELD: Yes. Yes.

PERINO: All right. Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

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