Trump offers up more substance on the campaign trail

GOP nominee delivers economic plan after weeks of controversy, falling polls; analysis on 'The Five'


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 8, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Geraldo Rivera, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 clock in New York City and this is "The Five." Ninety-one days that's all has left before Election Day. Donald Trump kicks off the week with a big speech today in Detroit to outline his newly revamped economic plan. He drew a stark contrast to Hillary Clinton's agenda. We're going to get to that in a moment. But first, here's what Trump's America first economic plan will look like.


DONALD TRUMP, GOP PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: No American company will pay more than 15 percent of their business income in taxes. My plan will also help reduce the cost of childcare by allowing parents to fully deduct the average cost of childcare spending from their taxes. No families will have to pay the death tax. I want jobs and I want wealth to stay in America. American cars will travel the roads, American planes will connect our cities and American ships will patrol the seas. It will be American hands that rebuild this country.


GUILFOYLE: The latest Fox News poll shows the economy is a strength for Trump. Voters trust him over Clinton to do a job better by a five-point margin. All right, let's go through this plan, discuss the economic summit. Do you think the plan is good, Eric, from your analysis today on?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I'll say I think it's the best conservative economic plan I think I've ever seen. Now, I don't think I would have delivered it the way Donald Trump did with a bunch of, you know, the Hillary stuff mixed in, but when you dig it -- drill down into what the plan is on taxes, this is a conservative -- this is a perfect conservative tax plan; 15 percent corporate tax, deduct childcare from taxes, that helps out every single person with a child, 10 percent repatriation, I talked about repatriation, and the death tax. A lot of people are going to be happy about that one, too. In energy, I would have done more but he said lifting restrictions on all forms of energy. That's wide sweeping and that's going to create a lot of jobs and a lot of economic activity; regulation, canceling illegal over-rate -- overreaching executive orders -- fantastic. And then trade, he spent the vast majority -- a lot of the time on that speech, to the most amount of time on trade, and he crushed it. The trade stuff is fantastic. From my standpoint, I hate the TPP, I hate NAFTA. I think he talked about a free trade and this one, something no one's really talked about, the enforcing the intellectual property theft that China is doing. If you're a business person, do you know what's going on, they are aggressively stealing our intellectual property and it costs us hundreds of billions of dollars a year.

GUILFOYLE: And they need a more like permanent time-out. Just really quick to follow up on, you've always been a big proponent of a better tax system, because we talk about flat tax, fair tax, some people were hoping to see that. We saw Herman Cain have his program with 999, any disappointment there that you see something like that?

BOLLING: No, but in order to pay for this, and this is something is really -- I'm going to talk to David Malpass tonight, who is the senior economic advisor for Trump. In order to pay for this you need 4 percent growth. Now 4 percent is double of what we've had for the last few years, six or seven years on average, but it's not unreasonable, because Ronald Reagan coming out of his recession had an 8 percent growth rate, average of maybe 4 percent or so, over his period of time. So that is attainable, but it's aggressive.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Dana. How do you assess this? You think that it was - - one, did he get the message out well? Two, do you think that it fits an appropriate party, a platform? And my third question for you, we'll see if we can both remember all this.


GUILFOYLE: Is how this going to happen --

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Remember the Rick Perry moment already.

GUILFOYLE: I know. Blame it on the back medication. And how do you think this could impact women's votes we've been in-terms of saying, a childcare is deductible, is that can help them?

PERINO: Well, I think a few things. The Detroit Economic Club, a very prestigious place to give a speech. So I think that was a great location. I think that what Eric was talking about in terms of the tax reform pieces, the state tax. It's pretty standard fare. And on the energy side, pretty standard for republicans, which probably might be good for some republicans who are thinking, I don't think I can get to Donald Trump, but maybe that gives them some comfort that they think they can do so. On the energy side of things, remember -- we've talked about this briefly before, the democrats and their platform committee in Philadelphia, they stripped out the "all of the above" energy plan that Obama had had in, in 2000 and 2012, but it's basically like, we don't want any fossil fuels, and that is actually their official platforms. So, on the energy side of things, if you're an energy voter, and you would want to care about those issues, Donald Trump would be the person you should go for. On regulation, the costs about a hundred million dollars per regulation, it's an order for them to get fully integrated and it's like, basically trying to ask the country's economic system to run a marathon with 20-pound weights on its ankles.


PERINO: So I think that is actually, all that is good. I did feel like a lot of the trade stuff is right out with what Senator Sanders talked about in his campaign. And there's -- this group came up and it's called the, the Economic Policy Institute, and he kept citing those. Trump citing that group. And I remember them a little bit just from my previous time at the White House, because that -- as far as I remember, it's a three well-known left-wing, protectionist, pro-union group and he was citing a lot of their work. Now that might be where he wants to take the Republican Party, but I think there will be a lot of sort of Chamber of Commerce side republicans or republicans who are in business and then doing trade overseas to say, "I don't think I can actually go there on trade with him, but overall, I think it was fun." On their third question about with women --


PERINO: I don't know. The child tax credit thing like, I think that it could help, but I think Hillary Clinton will be effective in saying, not only helps wealthy people. And they noticed that Donald Trump did not include something that Ivanka did in her speech when she introduced him, which was about paid family leave.


PERINO: That's actually something I think the republicans should try to figure out a way to get behind and to in order to fund in some ways, especially if you want women to come back to the workplace because we have a huge drop-off after they have children. They decide not to come back to workplace. We need them back in the workforce, so he didn't include that and probably because his advisers say that's just not a republican thing that we don't want to do.

GUILFOYLE: OK. But perhaps, there's room to be able to tack it on --


PERINO: Maybe it's hard to pay for.


PERINO: That's why they didn't do it.

GUILFOYLE: This is always the problem. How do you pay for it, Greg?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I don't know. This is nothing but pure discrimination.

PERINO: Because you don't have kids.

GUTFELD: I don't have -- well, I was going to say, I don't have kids, what about my inner child? Can I hire a nanny for my inner child? What if I am a child at heart? I think I am. I think Geraldo is a child at heart. I think we are all children at heart. We should have all -- we should all have nannies that should be paid for. As for the trade thing, you bash trade during a campaign then you embrace it when you're elected, because everybody likes trade once they're in. I will say this, this goes back to - - the sub -- the thing that we've been talking about for five years since this show started, the makers versus the takers. What Trump did -- and I have to give him credit, because I've been the one that has been, been asking him for specifics. Please, please, please tell me what you're going to do. Give me bullet points that I can like sink my teeth into. So he takes aim, he take -- he took aim at the makers, offering them two things that have previously handicapped them. Getting rid of regulatory -- putting a freeze on regulatory laws and getting rid of punitive taxes. Those are the two things that hurt the makers. And this is been -- I think this -- he gets, he should get high marks for that, for doing that, because for the longest time we've been smearing the small businessman as a greedy fat cat when actually almost all businessmen are people who sleep on the floor, who don't take a salary, who try to open a second business so they can hire more people, these are the people that I think should be, be enamored by this. The fact that he's putting a freeze on these laws, that he's repealing corporate taxes that he is trying to help -- he's trying to loosen those chains, so you can actually do better. So I do think that part is forward thinking, and I think it's helpful. I', again, I think the trade stuff is pandering. I don't think it's real.

GUILFOYLE: OK. But how do you see this, Geraldo? Do you think it help --



RIVERA: . nice to see everybody.

GUILFOYLE: Nice to see you.

RIVERA: Nice to be back.

GUTFELD: It's been a long time Geraldo.

RIVERA: I know even if its vacation relief, I'm delighted to be back. I think that we have to bear in mind that it takes zero political courage to say you're going to cut taxes. Everybody says they're going to cut taxes. No --

GUTFELD: But the same with (inaudible) tax.

RIVERA: Nobody -- it is absolutely the opposite. It's absolutely not true. When you say you're going to cut tax, they're leading up to an election and you don't say how you are going to pay for the lost revenue. There is an inherent dishonesty that I think real conservatives should flag and say, wait a second, he's cutting the top tax level. He's going -- he's streamlining. I've seen estimates up to $10 trillion over time in the lost federal revenue. How are you going to pay for all this stuff? In terms of the energy policy, you're going to loosen up all this energy, as in New Jersey, yes, I picked up (inaudible) --


RIVERA: (inaudible) drove down the palisades -- got gas for a dollar and seventy-seven a gallon. Why we -- why do we need keystone for with all the pollution -- we got gas for a dollar and seventy-seven a gallon right now for goodness sake.

GUTFELD: Did you eat at Taco Bell?


BOLLING: Have you paid --

RIVERA: That's only because I'm pandering to the Hispanics.

BOLLING: Have you paid your electric bill lately? They're astronomical. Because gasoline is an easy one to keep down, but when you're paying, they are some of the highest rates we pay in 20 years still.

RIVERA: It's natural gas, natural gas in abundance. We have all of these, these --

BOLLING: Well then, we shouldn't be importing any oil.


RIVERA: These dormant rigs. You have dormant rigs. You have dormant producers of natural gas. We are flooded with energy, and now you want to expand --

BOLLING: We're not flooded.

RIVERA: Are you saying you're not --

BOLLING: Hold on.


BOLLING: We're not flooded with energy.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, crooked.

RIVERA: We're going to bring that coal mines.


RIVERA: We're going to start making it feel again --


GUTFELD: Oil is rigged.

BOLLING: . would be used some of our oil.

RIVERA: You're dreaming. You're smoking. The one thing I think --

BOLLING: You're smoking something.


RIVERA: The one thing which I think -- which I would propose to you would be a good revenue generator for the government. What I would like is a real republican approach to the economy, privatize infrastructure development, let people build tall roads and tall bridges, let them do that. You have zero interest now. Borrow the money, the federal government to put people to work. Building, building highways, building bridges .

GUILFOYLE: OK, so infrastructure.

RIVERA: . building tunnels. Let them work, let them really make real jobs.

BOLLING: So that's Geraldo's plan.

RIVERA: That's have been --

GUILFOYLE: That's a Geraldo plan.

RIVERA: That's a Geraldo republican plan.

BOLLING: Rather than talking about Trump's plan, which we were -- I thought we were going to deal.

GUILFOYLE: And versus the .


GUILFOYLE: . Hillary Clinton plan, shall we? She will deliver her economic policy speech in Detroit on Thursday. Now Trump, of course, beat her to it and made a strong case against her plan. Take a listen.


TRUMP: The city of Detroit is the living, breathing example of my opponent's failed economic agenda. If you were a foreign power looking to weaken America, you couldn't do better than Hillary Clinton's economic agenda. Hillary Clinton short circuited again. She accidentally told the truth and said that she wanted to raise taxes on the middle class. Hillary Clinton says her plan will put a lot of coal companies and coal miners out of business. There will be no change under Hillary Clinton, only four more years of weakness and President Obama.


GUILFOYLE: OK, Dana. So a little bit of a preemptive strike there in advance .


GUILFOYLE: . of her announcement so say, "Hers is no good. It's Obama again."

PERINO: I don't know whether in this week if it's better to go first or second, and so that you can respond to your opponent, OK?


PERINO: So that then, we'll have to wait till September when they have their first debate to talk about it. But I did note that Larry Summers, who is the longtime democratic operative and economist who wrote an op-ed in "The Washington Post" today and he was talking about what Eric talked about, which is economic growth.


PERINO: That it doesn't matter what any of, any candidate promises right now. None of it is possible unless we improve on economic growth. And there's -- I'm reading the whole op-ed thinking, OK, we're going to get to the part where he's talking about how we're going to get more economic growth. And in that op-ed, he didn't quite do that, but the democrats know that there are real risk of -- I think last quarter's GDP was 1.8 percent, if I'm correct. I mean, that was below expectations and --

BOLLING: One, two.

PERINO: 1.2 percent?



BOLLING: A quarter.

RIVERA: 1.2 percent.

PERINO: It is hard to figure out a way, how do you get to three or even the 4 percent, which is actually would be a huge improvement.


PERINO: But nobody's talking about exactly how they will get there.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, and the idea maybe, Greg, is that they say, OK, we'll give Trump a shot because Hillary is pretty much a continuation of Obama's failed economic policies, and look where he's left us.

GUTFELD: I think, I think the direction she might go is attacking -- this is the new trend which is attacking an inherited wealth. That somehow, you do not have the right to inherit money from your parents when they die. You're going to see this --

RIVERA: I agree with that.

GUTFELD: You agree with that?

RIVERA: I do, because I think --

GUTFELD: That means I can -- somebody --


RIVERA: I think the death tax is something that's fundamental .

GUTFELD: But it's --

RIVERA: . to GOP principles.

GUTFELD: But it's always been tax.

RIVERA: You don't like the death tax.

GUTFELD: You've always --

RIVERA: I think all republicans are --

GUTFELD: Including a corpse. Including a corpse -- you're eluding a corpse.

RIVERA: Right. And you've already paid taxes .

GUTFELD: Right, right.

RIVERA: . from what you've earned during your life. So I am -- I agree with that about the death tax.

GUTFELD: You agree that it's bad?

RIVERA: But let -- I agree that it is bad.


RIVERA: But I, But I have --


RIVERA: I agree that it is bad. But a couple of more months like July, and this economic issue is going to dry up for republicans. You have to face facts as much as you say that the economy is horrible and growth is 1.2 percent for the quarter and so forth, is that the 277,000 jobs added in July, unemployment 4.9 percent.


RIVERA: At a certain point, you're going to stop snickering and you're going to see this economy has indeed -- it is the envy of the world.

GUTFELD: Your mustache grows faster than our economy.

GUILFOYLE: That's actually a fact.

GUTFELD: It is a fact.

BOLLING: So Geraldo --

RIVERA: That is a fact.

GUILFOYLE: It's a fact.

BOLLING: So, can you possibly make any case that things are good with a 1.2 percent quarterly growth? I mean, literally, this gets wonky. But the only thing that really, really matter -- two things really matter in the economy; growth on a macro level and wages on a micro level. Neither one of these are --


BOLLING: Both are performing subpar.

GUILFOYLE: Subpar performance.

RIVERA: Dana in her genteel and intelligent way said that, said the harsh truth to go from 1.2 to 4 percent is herculean. It will take some .

GUILFOYLE: We got to try.

RIVERA: . staggering, re --

GUILFOYLE: We got to try.

RIVERA: Rebooting of everything.

BOLLING: We are not herculean when you look at it.


BOLLING: . in terms of an average. So if he's president for eight years, you don't have the average four --

RIVERA: The Bank of England which is 0 percent interest.

BOLLING: You don't have the average four --

PERINO: So we are.

BOLLING: Not immediately at four.



PERINO: We've been that way for eight years.

BOLLING: Ronald Reagan went to 8 percent when he took over. He had 8 percent.

GUILFOYLE: Cryogenics, throw them back.


GUILFOYLE: I've been saying it. All right, write him in.

GUTFELD: That's not possible yet.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Get the robots on it, Greg. Ahead, Hillary Clinton and her running mate at odds over a president's wartime powers -- Tim Kaine. Answer to that, next. Stay with us.


PERINO: In (inaudible) Hillary Clinton will actually, I think (inaudible). There's a picture .

GUTFELD: "Playgirl."

PERINO: . that we want to see of a --

GUTFELD: Geraldo.


PERINO: Geraldo on the cover of "Playgirl," like who knew?

GUTFELD: Let's see it.

PERINO: I mean it's not recent, I don't think, right?

BOLLING: Thanks to Twitter.


PERINO: OK. Thanks Twitter.


PERINO: We're going to talk about Hillary Clinton, who a while ago made this very bold declaration.


HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE: I've been the most transparent public official in modern times, as far as I know.


PERINO: Well, she certainly has not been transparent about her e-mails, but her running mate is hoping to convince voters that the secretary has learned her lesson.


CHUCK TODD, MSNBC "MEET THE PRESS" HOST: You said she told you she's going to do it differently. What does that mean? Are you guys going to be more transparent?

TIM KAINE, HILLARY CLINTON'S RUNNING MATE: Well, I think it transparent --

She said it was a mistake. We -- I am not presumptuous enough to start thinking about how I'm going to do things after November, but I know that this is something that she's learned from and we're going to be real transparent, absolutely.


PERINO: All right, Kimberly .


PERINO: . so she paid no consequence for the e-mail, the system, the private server and all that --

GUILFOYLE: But for anything else, Benghazi.

PERINO: Pretty much, pretty much. So why would she change as a president? When you have them all the power.


PERINO: . then why would you change?

GUILFOYLE: Of course not. She isn't going to get away with, you know, more things on a larger scale and presidential executive orders, et cetera. I think, you know, this is a tough one for Tim Kaine, because he has to be supportive and back her up. But I think, probably inside he's like silent screaming. I mean, oh, you know, this isn't a good mood --


GUILFOYLE: I mean, honestly, he seems like a nice enough, decent man.


GUILFOYLE: He's not running like a corrupt global foundation pay for play or you know, having a private server. I mean, he seems to have more ethics than she does, which isn't hard to do. I don't know. This is an example to me of why people should have serious reason to distrust her on a credibility, integrity and character level.

PERINO: And I think, Eric, that you would probably see, rather than transparency, a lot less access to the press. Even her past year, she hasn't had a press conference .

GUILFOYLE: No conference.

PERINO: . since December 4th of last year.

BOLLING: December 4th and that and whatever that thing was with the Hispanic council or minority council, I can't remember, of journalists. I'm not sure --

RIVERA: That official, Hispanic journalist and black journalist.

BOLLING: It should not be considered a press conference because it wasn't. Can I just comment on Tim Kaine's --


BOLLING: Fantastic answer.


BOLLING: I want --


BOLLING: I want the GOP nominee to be the president. I want a GOP in the White House. But if it has to be her, I hope she learns from him. Right out of the box he apologizes, right?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, (inaudible).

BOLLING: The second one was I'm not -- e was humble. I'm not presumptive enough to speak --

PERINO: She could learn from him.

BOLLING: That's what I'm saying. She could learn, pick up --


BOLLING: And if it has to be her, I hope she does learn from him.


PERINO: (inaudible) want to talk about e-mails?


GUILFOYLE: He's like Charlie Brown.

RIVERA: I want to talk about the war powers.

PERINO: OK, I can do that. You want to do that? What about e-mails for you?

GUTFELD: Uhm -- yeah.


PERINO: OK, we're bored with the e-mails --


PERINO: Are we done with the e-mails?


RIVERA: I'm sick of your damn e-mails.

GUTFELD: No, I'm not sick of it. I mean, it's just that, it's -- there are endless possibilities with her e-mail story because there's stuff that will continue to come out, it's as porous as a screen door, it's as open as her husband's fly.


GUTFELD: But the thing is --


GUTFELD: We have a new nickname.


RIVERA: . on it.

GUTFELD: Novo-Kaine, because he's there to numb the pain.

RIVERA: Novo-Kaine.

PERINO: And Novo is at Northern Virginia where they're expected to win--


PERINO: Big time. All right, there is a wedge, though, possibly between Clinton, and Obama, and Kaine, walked right into it yesterday on "Meet the Press" when he was talking about war powers and the authorization to use military force against ISIS.


KAINE: I do not think we should be in an offensive war against ISIL without congressional authorization.

TODD: So it's fair to say you and Secretary Clinton disagree on this issue, because she believes the current war authorization does provide the legal justification, the legal justification to do this.

KAINE: Secretary Clinton and I get to exactly the same spot in that Hillary has said -- now this probably goes back to six or eight months now, that Congress should finally own up to its responsibility that is the most solemn responsibility in article one of the constitution, to authorize this military action.


PERINO: I actually agree with the original position of Hillary Clinton, but what do you think?

RIVERA: I think that Senator Kaine and Donald Trump and I are all in agreement that we should declare war on ISIS. We should ask the president of the United States, should ask the Congress of the United States for a declaration of war against the Islamic state, which is a de facto country, it is a self-declared country. The United States is at war with the Islamic state, we should have the courage to own up to it. Legally speaking, Hillary is probably correct that you could argue that the authorization in 2001 has never been revoked, but I, I am extremely convinced that the principle is the important thing. Trump is right. Kaine is right. We should declare war on ISIS. That's the way we can devote all of our national energy to defeating this --

GUILFOYLE: Well, both can decide.

GUTFELD: But wait, can I -- but can I just show what, why this is a problem for democrats? It shows how hopelessly bureaucratic they are.


GUTFELD: We are fighting crazed, driven maniacs. And then -- within their two people they're having a conflict about how to decide, these guys are chopping off heads and we're too busy trying to dot the I's. They're executing families. We're discussing the morality of GITMO with terror and ISIS. You have to stick to the big vision, which kind what Trump is. Who is it? Islamism. Why has it happened? They hate us. Number three, how do you beat it? Kill every single one of them. If you stick to that message, all of those other stuff just fades away.

RIVERA: That's kind of broad.

BOLLING: It's not kind -- except, except --

RIVERA: You get all of Islam?

BOLLING: Except.

GUTFELD: Islamism.

BOLLING: Except if -- let's just say those people who --


BOLLING: . are worried about a Donald Trump presidency, they're going to want that same congressional --


BOLLING: Crossing the T's, dotting the I's on authorizing military force.

GUILFOYLE: He doesn't lose them on that issue.


BOLLING: . for everybody.


RIVERA: That's good, though.

PERINO: I think, actually --

BOLLING: I'm going to say --

PERINO: I think if he became president when he got -- when he sat down in the Oval office, he would say, "I think I'm good with the 2001," because it gives him all the power that he needs to go after, whatever group it is including Boko Haram, if they suddenly become a big deal then --

GUILFOYLE: Unless --

PERINO: Bigger deal, I should say. Yeah, all the others, all the other groups, 2001 authorization to use military force was against our enemies and terrorists. And I think Donald Trump would actually support that --

GUILFOYLE: By the way --

PERINO: -- if you want.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, and tell him, hey get, get on board or I'm -- I'll go alone. I mean, I would not -- I wouldn't hold back and not do it if they wouldn't get on board, depending --

RIVERA: What -- another undeclared war. I mean, how many more are we going to have?

GUILFOYLE: You know what?

GUTFELD: Well, on the list is Canada, Mexico.

RIVERA: Declaration of constitutional power.


GUTFELD: We got at least five other countries --

PERINO: Don't forget Japan.


PERINO: All right -- which is three months left to go before Election Day .

RIVERA: Why not.

PERINO: . will the Republican Party unite around Trump? Is his former rival John Kasich ready to yet? His answer is next.


BOLLING: Greg hates Nickelback.


BOLLING: On Friday night, Donald Trump made a move to show party solidarity by endorsing Paul Ryan, John McCain and Kelly Ayotte. Will it prompt more to in the GOP to unite around him? Many Bush family members have decline Junior Trump, but surprisingly, Jeb Bush's son George, delivered a republic call, public call for republicans to get behind their nominee.


GEORGE P. BUSH, SON OF FORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR JEB BUSH: I know that we have Trump's stage record here as well. But you know what? It's time to put it aside. From Team Bush, it's a bitter pill to swallow, but you know what? You get back up and you help the man that won, and you make sure that we stop Hillary Clinton.


BOLLING: Still not ready to endorse Trump, his former opponent John Kasich, Ohio's governor is casting doubt that Trump can win his home state Ohio in November.


GOV. JOHN KASICH, R-OHIO, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I wish that I could be fully enthusiastic. I can't be.

Can Trump win Ohio? He's going to win parts where people are really hurting.

But I still think it's difficult, if you are dividing, to be able to win in Ohio.

You can either operate on the dark side of the street or you can -- you can operate in the light. I believe that America needs people to operate in the light. Plain and simple.


BOLLING: So endorse him and win Ohio.

Anyway, all right, Dana. Surprising George P. Bush decides to say, "Hey, from team Bush, tough pill to swallow, but you've got to get behind the nominee."

PERINO: Always exceedingly gracious. And he's also, remember, the chairman of the Republican Victory Committee in Texas. So he's got a job to do. And I just wonder if the same sort of grace would be returned.  We'll see.

BOLLING: OK. Your thoughts on John Kasich saying you need Ohio but not ready to make the endorsement to get Ohio?

GUILFOYLE: I'm actually still surprised. John Kasich, you know, who I like personally very much, I really thought by now that he might have come on board, because in the beginning of this whole process, he and Trump actually got along pretty well. There wasn't a lot of rancor or vitriol back and forth. They had kind of a good relationship going forward until the last very end, last stretch of it.

You know, he's on principle. I totally get it. But at the same time, then do you want Hillary Clinton to be the next president of the United States and picking your Supreme Court justices?

BOLLING: Are we seeing more...

GUILFOYLE: Ohio's important.

BOLLING: More or less unity?

GUTFELD: Well, I found it's interesting now that you're screaming for unity. That means you need it. It's like a cop. It's like people bashing the cops all year and then all of a sudden, they get mugged by reality.  That is what's happening with Trump. He's seeing a ceiling of support at 42 percent.

These are not "never-Trumpers" or people who aren't behind Trump, who aren't supporting him. These are people that he could actually reach out to. He has the low-hanging fruit, which he's indulged for so long. And he should have bought a ladder and went up and got the more difficult.

Now you've got women, who are -- I don't know -- educated women are going towards Hillary, a difference of 30 points. That's incredible. That was a -- that was a group that Romney won by six.

So not too long ago, we were at a point where Trump was saying he didn't need unity. He said that. And now he needs it, and I'm sorry. Whoops.

BOLLING: Can I give you...

GUILFOYLE: Enjoy Hillary and that voice, Greg.

BOLLING: Is this inaccurate? There's an Olympic basketball team. And you live in -- I don't know -- Seattle, and you want one of your guys to be on the Olympic basketball team, but he doesn't make the Olympic basketball team for the United States. Don't you want the United States to still win the Olympics?

RIVERA: I thought you were going to say he wants to play for Poland or something.

Yes, indeed I want the team to win. And I think that George P. Bush, though, I have to say -- and Dana knows him, obviously, a lot better than I do. But I like him. He's a Latino. He speaks Spanish. He's the future of the Republican Party in Texas, maybe in the country. I think he's going to be governor of Texas.

And I think that this decision and that comment were -- was as much about George P.'s future as it is about the Republicans having to come together in November, which obviously they have to do.

John Kasich, who we know from his time here at Fox -- he was my office mate here for a couple of years -- his -- his lack of endorsement of Trump during the convention was a real embarrassment, really hurt Trump. It put a foul scent in the air over the whole otherwise wonderful party there.

And his playing footsie right now, I don't really get it. I mean, if he really is principled, he's not going to support Trump. Then let him say it instead of, you know, just fooling (ph) around.

PERINO: I just recorded a podcast with Chris Stirewalt that will be up later today. And one of the things Chris Stirewalt says is he actually thinks that Trump should have just cut all the Republicans loose and said, "Fine, don't endorse me. Ryan, you don't have to endorse me. I don't need you, McCain. And I don't need you, Ayotte." And try to go after the people that want absolute change. Because that's one of the ways that he won in the primary. And just tell the Republicans...

RIVERA: Well, what about what Greg said about 42 percent?

PERINO: But that's a choice that he made. I mean, at this point, why not -- do you continue to try to do something that would be so different? You could maybe get some of the Hillary people or Bernie people to come over to your side.

GUTFELD: Remember, he won by saying principles over party, and now they're demanding party over principles.

PERINO: Principles.

GUILFOYLE: But I think he's also -- you know, with the trifecta endorsement, I thought that was a good move to say, "Look, OK, I'm going to try and reach out." He had to do that.

GUTFELD: Had to.

PERINO: Right. We didn't -- we didn't show the soundbite of how he did it. I mean, it was...

RIVERA: Did he hold his nose?

PERINO: I think in a way he was sort of mocking his campaign staff.  Saying, "Fine, if you think I really have to do this, I'll do it." And it wasn't with enthusiasm. And it's not going either way. That's why I think it's not necessarily -- I'm not quite there where Stirewalt is. But I see his point of just go for broke.

BOLLING: Can I just remind everyone the alternative is Hillary?

PERINO: But that's what everyone was saying initially.

BOLLING: The alternative is Hillary.

GUTFELD: Yes, when there were 15 other options.

RIVERA: You mentioned the thing about educated women. Watch educated women. If educated women stay with her, it's over.

BOLLING: We've got to go.

An American teenager won the first gold of the Rio Olympic Games, the youngest ever to do so. Instead of celebrating Ginny Thrasher's remarkable accomplishment, British Brit, Piers Morgan, found a way to diminish her victory. Next.


GUTFELD: So at the risk of beating a troll, let's talk about Piers Morgan.  Only because he smeared Ginny Thrasher, who in her first Olympics, scored an upset in the women's 10-meter air rifle event Saturday.

After her win, Piers tweeted, "LEAST SURPRISING BREAKING NEWS EVER: America's 1st Olympic Gold Medal is for Shooting." Ha ha.

Sorry, the real least surprising breaking news ever is that Piers will do anything for attention, including linking a young girl's achievement to violence. Never mind that the Brits also sent shooters to Rio. Had they beat Ginny, I'm sure Piers would boast like a drunk fan, calling into sports radio in his torn, stinky boxers.



GUTFELD: Anyway, his gag reflects the typical elitist view of guns. Only rubes have them, and they only use them to kill people. I guess he's still bitter about losing that war to America. After all, if we didn't have our rifles, we'd all be drinking tea in chipped mugs, picking at a dish of blood pudding in a bowler hat made of crumpets.

Meanwhile, a major study found a driving incentive for mass gun violence.  It's widespread news coverage that corresponds directly with the rising quest for fame among mass shooters. Wow.

So Piers needs to get over Ginny and his dangerous obsession with guns. In life, there are winners and losers. We know what side Ginny's on. And Piers, as always, is on the other side, bitterly biting his stiff upper lip.

K.G., you know, we don't have to talk about Piers, because he loves it when you talk about him.


GUTFELD: Have you been watching the Olympics? Is there something you want to talk about?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Well, no, I want to talk, actually, about Piers for a moment.


GUILFOYLE: I love gymnastics, but D.P. has got that covered, the little gymnast that she is.


GUILFOYLE: But I just want to know what your relationship with Piers is.

GUTFELD: We don't talk much anymore.

RIVERA: Did you date?

GUTFELD: Yes, we just had a lovely online relationship that lasted all o one hour. That's how long he could last.

GUILFOYLE: Why? Seven to eight.

Then they broke up.

GUTFELD: Then we broke up. I don't know what happened there.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I know.

GUTFELD: Geraldo, Olympics?

RIVERS: I sort of like -- first of all, I just want to say about Piers Morgan, I think that -- I like his position on guns, generally speaking. I think that we should ban assault weapons. And I think...

GUTFELD: They are.

BOLLING: They are.

RIVERA: But...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

RIVERA: ... to make the joke about the -- what did I say?

GUTFELD: Shooter.

BOLLING: They are...

PERINO: Assault weapons are banned.

BOLLING: Assault weapons are banned.

GUTFELD: The best Olympic segment ever.

RIVERA: Well, you call it -- you say an AR-15.

BOLLING: You're saying semiautomatics.

RIVERA: You know, the ones that they use to kill all these people.

But having said that, the joke about the kid who won the gold medal, you know, not funny, not particularly funny.

I think the biggest winners so far, aside from Phelps and the Americans generally, is Rio itself. When you look at Rio de Janeiro, a lovely city - - I've been there many teams. Erica and I visited, been on Ipanema Beach and everything else.

It's -- the horror stories told in the buildup to the Olympics: nothing was going to be ready, the Zika virus.

GUTFELD: It's only been two days.

RIVERA: Everybody -- everybody would be infected. It would be the getting, you know, hepatitis from the polluted water and all the rest. But when you look at those pictures, it is one of the prettiest places on earth. I salute the Brazilians for doing a magnificent job. So far, it doesn't seem that anything has been disorganized.

I hope and pray that the Zika virus is controlled. I know they're spraying everywhere. I wish that they paid as much attention to Zika in Puerto Rico as they do in Brazil.


BOLLING: So under Geraldo's theory, we should ban cars, hammers, and food, because more people are killed by those things than guns.

PERINO: Bathtubs, too.

BOLLING: And bathtubs. And a whole bunch of other things.

GUILFOYLE: No bathtubs.

BOLLING: Look, so far, it's been a fairly...

RIVERA: History will judge those of you who said...

BOLLING: ... uneventful...

RIVERA: ... the AR-15 was a good idea.

GUTFELD: Yes, we all walk around saying that.

RIVERA: History will judge you.

GUTFELD: We all walk around -- no...

BOLLING: The AR-15 is a -- it's a long-range like every other long-range rifle.

RIVERA: And all of the -- all the -- and all of the body armor that they sell over the counter and all of those other weapons.

GUTFELD: They sell it over the counter now?

RIVERA: All those other military weapons.

GUTFELD: Assault rifles, I hear.

RIVERA: Military weapons and military garb and gear is all -- has no place in society.

BOLLING: Everyone should wear the same outfit every day.

GUTFELD: Tell that to the police who just got shot.

RIVERA: I love hunters. I just came from Hancock, New York, where they hunt deer and bear and...

GUTFELD: You like killing innocent animals?

BOLLING: With what?

RIVERA: With hunting rifles.

BOLLING: And that's the same as the AR. The AR is a hunting rifle with a really, really...


RIVERA: Have you ever been at war? I'm a war correspondent. I know the difference.

GUTFELD: Would you rather shoot Bambi?

BOLLING: You don't know. Don't tell me the AR...

RIVERA: I know.

BOLLING: No one in war is using an AR.

RIVERA: What's the AR for? What's the AR for? What is it for? The civilian version of the M-16. What is it for? Is it for shooting turkey?


BOLLING: It's a long rifle that you watch people hunt with, only with a bad-ass looking cover. That's what it is.

GUTFELD: A cosmetically enhanced rifle.

BOLLING: Correct.



RIVERA: Tell that to the folks in Orlando.

PERINO: I'm not going to talk about guns.

GUTFELD: Cheap shot. Talk about Islamic terror. Go ahead.

PERINO: What were we talking about?

GUTFELD: I don't know any more.



PERINO: OK, the United States Olympic team.


PERINO: They are super strong. They're really fit. They are full of integrity.

One of the swimmers last night was swimming against the Russian...


PERINO: ... who had been busted twice for illegal substances. And it's actually through some sort of legal maneuvering is able to swim. And she's -- our Olympic athlete is determined to beat her, and she hasn't done any of that. So I'm proud of them.

And our gymnastics team is looking fantastic.


GUTFELD: I'm just -- the only thing that controls the fly (ph) is the cupping, that weird home remedy thing where people are putting -- they're leaving little round bruises...

GUILFOYLE: I'm going to do it to you later.

GUTFELD: To enhance blood flow. It doesn't -- there's no science behind it. It's like an ancient secret, but...

GUILFOYLE: And instead, I'm going to use little cymbals on you.

GUTFELD: Very good. Nicely done.

RIVERA: There's no science between -- before acupuncture either, and they do that, too.

GUTFELD: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: I feel like that works.

GUTFELD: Up next, it's illegal to drink alcohol and drive -- we all know that, whoever wrote this tease -- but are you going to get pulled over for drinking soda or coffee, as well? One nanny state -- nanny? -- may be considering it.

GUILFOYLE: One nanny.


RIVERA: Something is brewing in New Jersey that could jolt folks who drive and drink, even if what they're drinking is coffee. I mean it.

There's a proposed bill that targets distracted drivers, broadening an existing law that bans cell phone use behind the wheel to include anything -- anything that could distract the driver, the person behind the wheel: reading, even drinking a cup of coffee.

There's an analysis -- I mean it -- an analysis on that says, quote, "The bill would give police the authority to write tickets for drinking coffee, because it doesn't list which distractions are covered and which are not."

You know, Kimberly, my two sons...


RIVERA: ... between them, my two boys have had at least a dozen accidents.  The most -- really.


RIVERA: I mean, one is -- thank God they're aging out. One is now 37.  The other is 28. Because they were kids. Why is exactly the question.  One was changing, at the time it was, you know, cassette, disk to whatever it is music, so he's like this. And the other one was texting. So they run right into the driver in front of them.

GUILFOYLE: Did they admit that? Oh, my God.

RIVERA: Distracted driving. I think this is a good idea.

GUILFOYLE: You know, I mean, look, people get mad. You're eating French fries, you're putting on mascara, or you're texting, or you're talking, or you're changing your music, are you trying to take care of a baby? I don't know. There's a lot of things. You have to be a responsible driver, have personal responsibility. And there's good insurance premium benefits for those that have good grades. I used to get a very substantial discount on my policy.

RIVERA: Have you never texted while driving?

BOLLING: Yes, I have. I admitted to it in public.

RIVERA: You know it's more dangerous than drinking.

BOLLING: No doubt. There are a lot of dangerous things we can do in a car while we're driving. But this means we've to put the onus on cops. Law enforcement have enough to do...


BOLLING: ... than to look into every car to see who's drinking a cup of coffee or not while they're driving. And that's what my problem with the cell-phone law is, too. I mean, let's concentrate on erratically driving.  If they're driving erratically, pull them over. But don't pull a guy over because you think he might be biting into a sandwich.

GUILFOYLE: But that's also going to be, like, a pretext for probable cause for a stop, to say, like, "Oh, I saw someone drinking some, you know, mocha latte."

RIVERA: Yes, but it takes five seconds, Dana, on average to write a text.  Imagine what it takes to take the lid off a cup of coffee. Or you spill it in your lap.

PERINO: I -- I just don't think that you can go and cherry-pick down every issue. Like, you would have 18,000 laws: distracted driving is bad, and they want to look for that.

If this extended to protein bars, and you know who you are, it drives me crazy.


PERINO: But here's the answer to this. It's technology and driverless cars.

BOLLING: Oh, God, please, hurry up with the driverless cars.

PERINO: So then they can drive and you can drink whatever.

GUILFOYLE: No. They get in accidents.

RIVERA: You text and drive, Greg? Do you drive? Or you're a city boy?

GUTFELD: This is a direct attack on the travel mug industry. Once you ban coffee, you won't be able to have the little Trump mug.

No, this is -- it's a very simple law. Anything that takes your eye off the road. Drinking coffee doesn't take your eye off the road. It should be allowed.

GUILFOYLE: Fine. So guess what? Get a ticket for looking at attractive women on the street and honking at them or yelling...

GUTFELD: That's a statistic you will never be able to figure out.

RIVERA: "One More Thing" is next.


GUILFOYLE: Hope you've had a nice time with us today. It's time now for "One More Thing." Greg, anything exciting?

GUTFELD: I was off for a week. And, you know, it's very, very hot here in New York. And if you're in New York, you always have to hydrate. A lot of older celebrities understand this.

For example, here you'll see we have Nick Nolte enjoying a lovely watermelon.




GUTFELD: And, you know, you don't realize, did you know that watermelon is actually a berry? It is not a melon, or technically, I guess it can be both.

But here you see that Nick is enjoying the lovely juice...

GUILFOYLE: Is he eating the rind, as well?

GUTFELD: ... that comes from the well-hydrated berry.

BOLLING: That looks more like Gary Busey.

GUTFELD: Yes. Well, it's with less hair than Gary.

GUILFOYLE: That was very funny. OK. But it looks kind of tasty.

GUTFELD: It did. I'm hungry.


PERINO: I want to congratulate Brooke Martell. She's 11 years old, and she won this weekend the Weston County Junior Rodeo saddle for girls. This is in Weston County in Newcastle, Wyoming, which is where I used to go to the rodeo. And I donated the saddle, and she won it. She competed in all sorts of different races.

Plus, she sang the national anthem both days, and she had a 21-year-old horse named Lovey that her family raised. And she's been using her mom's saddle that she used as a little girl, and now she's got her own.

GUTFELD: I bet that wasn't her first rodeo.

BOLLING: You donated the saddle?


BOLLING: That's very nice.

PERINO: Way to give back. I mean, I haven't been back to Wyoming in quite a while. It's hard to get to.

BOLLING: It's cool.

PERINO: But anyway, Brooke Martell, she's amazing. She's quite a cowgirl.

GUILFOYLE: Nice mentoring there, Dana.

Dana, I have a dog story, and the dog in this case is named Teddy. He's an Australian Shepherd that went missing about five months ago. And the story went, you know, viral; everybody was teaming up on social media. The owners were really using the Internet to appeal to try and find him, using the hashtag "Team Teddy" to raise awareness. Hundreds of people on social media were eager to support the cause, organizing meet-ups.


GUILFOYLE: It became this whole social situation. And we have a happy ending here, people, for Team Teddy, because they were reunited. And he was apparently found wandering in the hills but just never give up hope.

GUTFELD: Kimberly, I lost an Australian shepherd. His name was Rick, when camping.

GUILFOYLE: OK. That's also not believable. You never mentioned Rick before. Just Mr. Sparkles.


BOLLING: So you know Teddy, he's a good boy.

PERINO: I get it.

GUILFOYLE: A good boy.

PERINO:  I just got it. Yes. I just got it.

BOLLING: He had one of those sticks, right?


BOLLING: Shepherd.

GUILFOYLE: Australian shepherd.

RIVERA: Shepherd.

BOLLING: OK. So Drudge ran a headline over the weekend. It caught a lot of people's eyes, because you know, it's something to think about. There's a picture of Hillary Clinton from five months ago or so, where she tripped and the Secret Service had to grab her and help her up.

But then he outlines how there were a couple of other instances of her falling. One of the most noteworthy is when she fell and, remember, she had to delay her Benghazi testimony for a little bit, because she had the blood clot or whatever was going on.

But look, I get it; it was a few months ago. But it is worth discussing at least. At least think about is there any issue going on there? Maybe she's just hungry. Who knows? But it's worth talking about.


RIVERA: I was honored by the National Association of Hispanic Journalists, where Hillary did take a couple of questions, however prearranged they might have been. People have litmus tests. Some people can never vote on someone who's...

PERINO: Pro-choice.

RIVERA: ... pro-abortion, for instance. For three out of four Latinos, it is what I said in my acceptance speech.


RIVERA: I can't get past his pledge that, if elected, he's going to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants, even if they've been living otherwise law-abiding lives.

There is no way on God's green earth that I can ever vote for anyone, even a friend, who promises to do something so inherently antithetical to the traditions that make America great.


RIVERA: There, I said it.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Congratulations on your award.

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