Trump turns up the heat with attacks on Clinton, media

GOP nominee on offense after recent controversies; analysis on 'The Five'


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 2, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Brian Kilmeade. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Trump turns up the heat. The Republican presidential nominee goes all on bashing his Democratic opponents with voters heading to the polls in just 14 weeks from today. Trump is rallying for support by slamming Clinton, claiming the election is not fair.


DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: It's a crooked system. It's a rigged system. We're running against a rigged system and we're running against a very dishonest media.


GUILFOYLE: Remember the nickname? Crooked Hillary? Well, now Trump hits Clinton even harder as he explains why he thinks Bernie Sanders made a big mistaken endorsing her.


TRUMP: He made a bad deal. He should have not made a deal. He would have gone down as done something really important. Once he made that deal. And believe me, he has buyer's remorse. If he would have just not done anything, just go home, go to sleep, relax -- he would have been a hero. But he made a deal with the devil. She's the devil. He made a deal with the devil.



GUILFOYLE: All right, Eric, a new nickname sort of doubling down on the Crooked Hillary. What do you think? Is the messaging working?

ERIC BOLLING,  CO-HOST: I think he needed to do that. And he needed to get off the con issue and I think that's a good way to do it, call her the devil.

GUILFOYLE: Who does it help him with?

BOLLING: Everyone. The media. You know now we're talking about this. We're opening with this instead of talking about the back and forth with the content (ph) which is, I think spot on. This is what he needed to do. But again, I think what he needs to do is run against Hillary Clinton. Not run against, you know, all these other factions, all these other issues. Run against Hillary Clinton, make her out to be the crooked, the lying Hillary Clinton, she lied to Chris Wallace on a couple of issues on Sunday. Stay with that. That's where you're, that's where you're going to excel as a candidate, not trying to hit her or hit other -- defend himself against, you know, the military families. He even went after, I think, some of the, you know, the fire warden at one of his events. Stay off that stuff. This is, this is about you against a flawed candidate in Hillary Clinton and keep exposing all the flaws in her. And I think he's going to do a good job with that, too. There are plenty of them.

BRIAN KILMEADE, GUEST CO-HOST: I think President Obama, too.


KILMEADE: I mean President Obama made it clear, he's running, too, today.

BOLLING: Yeah, yup.


BOLLING: Third term.

KILMEADE: Yes. I mean, what he did today, I thought was unbelievable with the prime minister of Singapore sitting there, he decides to .

BOLLING: Take shots at Trump.

KILMEADE: . domesticate it and take shots .

BOLLING: Take shots at Trump. Yeah.


KILMEADE: . as if he's running against Donald Trump.

GUILFOYLE: Let's take a listen to that. We get Dana to respond.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Yes. I think the republican nominee is unfit to serve as president. I said so last week and he keeps on proving it. What does this say about your party that this is your standard bearer? And that's not just my opinion. That is the opinion of many prominent republicans. There has to come a point at which you say, enough.


GUILFOYLE: OK, Dana, what do you think about this whole thing? Start with the, you know, the president comment.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Can I go back to the beginning?

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely.

PERINO: I think it is pretty astounding that in order to get off the con story that you don't go to the issue that we're have this abysmal economic growth, the lowest of record, a homeownership that -- since they started making records. I mean there are so many things that you could down the list on to attack Hillary Clinton and say, there's no change here. But to call her the devil, I don't think that's going to work so well. For Obama, I think that -- I understand the temptation. He is very good at campaigning. He probably thinks that Hillary Clinton is not that good at campaigning. So, he probably thinks he's offering her assistance. I don't think that's true. In this setting with, when you're sitting with another world leader and you're talking about on the merits, trade or whatever it is. If you were asked about Trump, don't take the bait. Say, I've already come -- I was at the convention, you have my speech. So there will be plenty of time to talk about that another time. Right now, I'm here with the leader of Singapore and let's talk about something like that. That's when he -- I think that he could have done. The other thing on Donald Trump is that -- let's say that it was a great tactic. If you think it was a great tactic to go after Hillary Clinton, try to pivot, that will be fine, but that won't be the news story in the next few hours, because Donald Trump came out and attacked Paul Ryan and John McCain. So now you have more intra- party warfare.

GUILFOYLE: Saying he won't support.

PERINO: Saying that he's not prepared to support them after they have stuck their necks out for him. And they had -- and it wasn't just Paul Ryan and John McCain that had to distance themselves on the con comments. Every republican that has a tough race like Kelly Ayotte, he just said that's she is a weak leader up in New Hampshire. I mean, it is like a wholesale destruction of the Republican Party when he actually has everything going for him if he chose to use it.

GUILFOYLE: All right Juan, so I see you shaking your head. So you think this was not good? What about the president making a comment?

JUAN WILLIAMS, "THE FIVE" CO-HOST: Well, let me just say. First of all, I disagree with Eric. I mean, you can try to pivot away from the con story, but I think this invites people and especially people who are in the middle, Eric, the persuadables, and I'm looking here at women. You're calling her the devil, right? I mean basically, you're saying, you know, this is a witch. This is an evil, (inaudible) or whatever you say. I mean you -- we gone. He's -- I mean Carson already said she's Lucifer. I mean this is now -- I mean, it's like, wait a minute. What are you doing here? Gentlemen, slow down. It's easy to critique your opponent in just the way that we heard Brian and Dana suggest. Those are real facts. You have to have a conversation.


WILLIAMS: But the bullying and the name calling.

BOLLING: Right, right.


WILLIAMS: What does that say about Donald Trump?

BOLLING: And they're both right and they're both factually correct. And that's OK, yes, but in order to change the news cycle .

WILLIAMS: But Eric, what would you --

BOLLING: . you have to be provocative now.

WILLIAMS: Why would he play into a negative stereotype about himself as a bully and a guy who bully and who calls women --

BOLLING: Because Donald thinks it's that negative -- well, I don't mind.

GUILFOYLE: I don't think --

WILLIAMS: . who calls women names.

GUILFOYLE: I don't think his supporters that are super, that are baked in for him are going to mind, but --

WILLIAMS: No, that's right.

GUILFOYLE: What about, you know, rebuilding a bridge, getting more supporters, getting traction, trying to increase your poll numbers, trying to reach out to women, to minorities .

WILLIAMS: Can I hire you?

GUILFOYLE: . and independents.

WILLIAMS: That was exactly what I was trying to say.


GUILFOYLE: Hired for a dollar.


KILMEADE: Put it this way, he actually, this medal that was handed out there, we've gotten hold of that shows that there are some a degree of seriousness amongst the Trump group that says, "Hey, wait a second. Surrogates, this is what you do to get out of this mess with the con situation. And this is how we go from here that the damage, you know, we're taking on water." And I also think that there are very few more opportunities that Donald Trump has to start fresh. He can win this thing. He's actually raising money. He actually is in the game in battleground states. In many situations, he is now building a team that is formidable. He actually has an infrastructure around him. And he continues again, today, to call out republicans. He cannot be listening to Paul Manafort. He cannot be looking to his communications team.

BOLLING: Why would he stop now?

GUILFOYLE: You say he's not because --

BOLLING: This is something he has done for --



BOLLING: For 14 months.

KILMEADE: He has not attacked republicans in a long time.

BOLLING: Oh, come on Brian --

KILMEADE: And Paul Ryan, he rendered --

BOLLING: They didn't support him. He had Paul Ryan --

KILMEADE: When was the time he attack Paul Ryan?

BOLLING: When he didn't support him. Remember he said, "I'm not -- if you don't support me, I can't support your agenda."

KILMEADE: And guess what happened, Paul Ryan's in. Senator John McCain yesterday said, "Despite everything you said" --

BOLLING: My point is --

KILMEADE: "Despite my two-page letter, I still support Donald Trump." He told the reporter, "I'll let you know when I will stop."

BOLLING: He called John McCain a loser. He's never apologized for that in the past.

KILMEADE: No, no. I talked to Donald Trump, four days ago. I said, is John McCain a war hero or not? He said, "Yes."

BOLLING: I mean, I -- right. Correct. Agree with all of that. But you're saying, at some point he's got a pivot and be more -- he'll be enough -- more apologetic or nice to the candidate --


BOLLING: Just so, he knocked off 16 opponents in the primary. He's got one to go.

KILMEADE: That's June.

BOLLING: He raised 56 million --

KILMEADE: He hasn't done that since May.

BOLLING: Fifty-six million dollars last month, that's a pretty darn good money.

KILMEADE: Awesome.

PERINO: I think I'm getting your point.

KILMEADE: Get your message straight. He has bullet points. He's got winning bullet points. Ron Fournier was just, just wrote a column, said they've been covering Clinton since '86.


KILMEADE: She should be a light years ahead of everybody right now, but the problem is, she keeps lying. This is somebody who misleads the direction.

GUILFOYLE: But that's (inaudible) to work with.

BOLLING: The point is giving Hillary Clinton advice, not Donald Trump.

GUILFOYLE: You got to hit the points like the economy, like Dana said.

KILMEADE: And instead, it would be talking about that she's Lucifer .


KILMEADE: . that Governor Christie --

GUILFOYLE: Guys, let me get in --

WILLIAMS: That's what I said.

GUILFOYLE: Let me get in this and go to Dana about Rudy Giuliani. We're talking about this earlier. But former New York City Mayor Giuliani offers some good advice, in fact, for how Trump can come out on top of all the recent attacks.


RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: My advice to Donald would be very simple. I'll tell you the advice I'd give him. You have one person to attack; Hillary Clinton. And Barack Obama, because it's the Obama administration who let all of us -- myself, Gingrich, Christie, his whole army, let us attack everybody else. That's always been my rule in politics, which is, "You're running against one person, don't run against the world."



PERINO: Smart. And it's traditional. And it's how the establishment has run campaigns for years. And I don't think Donald Trump doesn't like it, and it's not in his instincts. But the thing is, is that he has all these people around him are trying to help him. They are, actually like.

KILMEADE: Unbelievable.

PERINO: . putting themselves out there and saying, "OK, I'll be with you. I'll be with you." And then they get a memo like the thing, "Oh, sorry. Actually, you can't say that. Oh, wait. Don't say that either. Wait, try to think" -- Donald Trump has a responsibility here to help them help him. You know, they can't just be out there doing that all on their own. And Rudy is right -- excuse me, Mr. Mayor. I would never call you Rudy, just by your first name. I think the mayor is absolutely correct, that that is what he can focus on. I don't think calling her the devil is necessary the best way to do it. Do it on the merits. There are so many things that he could say on the merits, especially when it comes to the economy. It -- that it is true, that the story about the economy, abysmal numbers that came out Friday with the 1.2 percent .


PERINO: . economic growth last quarter.


PERINO: That story got buried by the con remarks. It doesn't mean that story is dead. That is what the numbers were from the quarter. There were a lot more other -- there are a lot of other numbers in there, and I know you want to move on, but anyway .

GUILFOYLE: No, I don't know.

PERINO: . I just think that the mayor is right.


GUILFOYLE: I don't want to move on .

BOLLING: Those are --

GUILFOYLE: . but I want to hit that point you're talking about the economy.

BOLLING: Those are excellent point.

GUILFOYLE: Make a billboard out of it.

BOLLING: Those are great political points. Those are great typical political points and Donald Trump is atypical. Everyone -- it's not just here, you hear it everywhere else. You hear, well, you know, he did well in the primary, but he's got to pivot back to more traditional, political campaign for the general, and he's saying, "No, I don't." And who are we to sit here and say, "Well, you know, you crushed it in the primary, 16 opponents, took them out early, when no one else thought you could." Why should he pivot to a traditional (inaudible)?

WILLIAMS: Well, I tell you why.

KILMEADE: Nine, nine.


KILMEADE: Nine points he's trailing by in a national poll.

BOLLING: Today. It's the first day after the convention.

KILMEADE: But look who has --

BOLLING: A day after the convention.

KILMEADE: Has he stopped the bleeding with which what he's saying? Has he's anything that he has done to stop the bleeding that he started inflicting on himself?


BOLLING: I don't know --

WILLIAMS: And let me just say Brain, it's worse than you describe. Because Brian, you said, "Oh, no, people are coming together around him." Dana said, "People are trying to help him." But you know what? On the numbers, fund-raising, in terms of campaign staffing, he is trailing badly.

BOLLING: $56 million.

WILLIAMS: Badly. Their Super PAC --

BOLLING: So just he can raise $110 million .

WILLIAMS: They have the Super PAC .

BOLLING: . that no one else have.

WILLIAMS: . that's with him right now is basically aiming at three states. And they don't even have money comparable to what Hillary Clinton has. And remember, Hillary Clinton has already run hundreds of ads, thousands of ads facts.

KILMEADE: She's overstaffed.

WILLIAMS: And he has not run any ads, it's the Super PAC that's coming. So in terms of staffing, putting people on the ground, they get out voters, you say, "Oh, he's atypical."

BOLLING: Juan, Juan --

WILLIAMS: Let me tell you something.

BOLLING: I heard the same .

WILLIAMS: You want to get voters out.

BOLLING: . arguments in the primary. He'll never become the nominee with this kind of strategy. He's got to get more mainstream strategy.

WILLIAMS: Let me tell you something, it's a different audience .

GUILFOYLE: But now --

WILLIAMS: . primary as to general.

GUILFOYLE: But now it's a general election. Dana, if I understand what you're -- what you're saying is there's a lot of material for him to work with .


GUILFOYLE: . because he has her on the merits in terms of the abysmal economic growth. All those numbers are strong suits for him in addition to the lack of, you know, ethics, the loose relationship with the truth, someone who struggles with integrity. All these things he can use to mobilize his strategy, to gain more votes.

PERINO: It's all right there. It's just his for the taking.

GUILFOYLE: What would you hit with first thing tomorrow morning if you're in charge of that campaign?

PERINO: I actually, you know, I am -- I am done trying to give advice. Because obviously, if it's too -- I'm just too typical of a person to give advice that would actually help a campaign. So I --


PERINO: I don't know what I would tell him to do. I guess I could say be yourself, knock yourself out. I'll sit back and watch. I think it's very interesting. I think the demographics that are changing the country are very interesting. But I think on front -- on the advice front, I'm out.

KILMEADE: What happened to Monday? Bombing Libya. A failed operation that she recommended, they have to go re-bomb again. We have to start bombing Libya again, because of an operation that she supported with absolutely no battle plan. I would start there.

WILLIAMS: Do you know what he's bombing at the moment? His own campaign. He just fired two more top people today, and he's just going on. I mean this - - the memo Dana is talking about .


WILLIAMS: . the bombs are in-house. Someone is, you know, spoiling --


KILMEADE: Still savable.

GUILFOYLE: All right. So let's go. Much more to talk about a programming note, stay tuned "On the Record" tonight for Greta's interview with Ivanka Trump. That is at 7:00 p.m. eastern right here on the Fox News Channel. Do not miss it. And coming up, the problems keep piling on for Hillary Clinton this week, new questions today surrounding her involvement in Russia. Those details when "The Five" returns.


PERINO: Hillary Clinton is getting a post-convention bump in the polls, but she still has some work to do, including the perception that she is dishonest. He had senior officials for her campaign reportedly disclaim trust is an issue for her. That's according to Ron Fournier from the National Journal. Watch this.


RON FOURNIER, NATIONAL JOURNAL POLITICAL JOURNALIST: I literally had had senior officials, on the record or not on the record, on background a year ago saying, or more than a year ago, saying that trust doesn't matter, that Bill Clinton won even though he was trusted less than the two people he ran against. What they don't realize is the world has changed, and we now see that trust does matter. It's really destroyed her credibility. Now she could still win even by continuing this dispersing in this line. But then she's going to be leading a country where two-thirds of the people don't trust her. And you can't transform our politics. You can't do half of the things that she wants to do that need to be done if people don't trust her. So that's the miscalculation they're making.


PERINO: Distrusts are bad for both candidates, about 55 percent, and baked in. I haven't moved at all. But you talk to Ron Fournier today and he said he expanded on those thoughts?

KILMEADE: You know, he wrote the column in the "Atlantic" and he had this interview. And essentially he said, "Look, he's not a Trump fan to say the least." But he's saying that right now, she should have put this away already except for the fact that she has a problem with the truth. She's flat out lying when she -- when he watched Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. He could not believe the fearless way in which she attacked the truth. And I think the term was, she lacked a total explanation on her e- mails and overall, her action during the investigation was an assault on the Freedom of Information Act. He is saying to himself, I've been covering you since '86 and this is beyond compare. He says in "Today's America," trust matters. In Bill Clinton's era, trust didn't matter as much. And with they seem to have learned the wrong lesson.

PERINO: Oh, I think it should be that -- could be the opposite. Kimberly, that trust used to matter a lot more than it does now.

KILMEADE: But then why did George Bush, 41, lose to Bill Clinton even though his trust numbers were through the roof?

PERINO: I think it was the economy. Stupid.



KILMEADE: That was --

PERINO: Not just to quote James Carville.




KILMEADE: But they say quote matters now.

PERINO: I think is she going to say that?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, you went there. I love d it.

PERINO: What do you think on trust?


PERINO: I think it's better be important.

GUILFOYLE: I think it is very important. And that's why I think it's one of the points that Trump should hammer home when they both have, obviously, you know, high unfavorables that really, I think Hillary can own this issue by virtue of the fact pattern. When you look at Benghazi and you look at the families, you look at e-mail server, you look at the disregard; the rules don't apply to us. You look at the Clinton Foundation, there's a tremendous amount of material to work with there, to sort of just cloud her in that. And you see then in some of the exit polls, I think it does matter. And people have a problem with it, because she should be doing far better than she is. She is not a good campaigner. I think she is a vulnerable candidate and it is ripe for the picking because she has a lot of holes in which you can hit her on and do some serious damage.

PERINO: Her numbers got a little bit worse, Eric, when James Comey came out of the FBI director and said .


PERINO: . "This is what we found. They did not indict her." But that's when her poll numbers started to go down. They bounced back up after the convention. But maybe this is where it is baked in solid cake for her, that she is seen as dishonest by 55 percent of the people.

BOLLING: And don't forget, after the convention on Sunday is when she lied again about what James Comey. She didn't hear him correctly and then Chris Wallace played the tape. Wait until you start getting into -- I know we're going to talk about the Clinton Foundation in a second, but let's talk about this for one second. Hillary Clinton became secretary of state in 2009, right?



BOLLING: That's nine years after Bill Clinton left office, right? The first time Bill Clinton started making $500,000 per speech -- he was making a lot less in the years after, directly after president. He didn't make start making half a million dollars per speech until 2009 when she became secretary of state. Doesn't that smell fishy to you a little bit? In fact, of the 13 times he has ever made $500,000 or more, 11 of them happened under her watch .

PERINO: It's certainly --

BOLLING: . '09 to '13.

PERINO: It's certainly helped his speaking price.


BOLLING: But why is that? There's a reason. Not because she was --


BOLLING: . a secretary of state, because there were bills being made.

PERINO: Access.

BOLLING: Access, of course.


WILLIAMS: Well, there's another explanation.

BOLLING: Oh, that I love to hear it.

WILLIAMS: He was --

BOLLING: Inflation?

WILLIAMS: He was impeached and dishonored, if you recall. And so there was a period of time when he was out.

PERINO: That's true.

BOLLING: Nine years?

WILLIAMS: Yes. Let me just tell you something. Remember --


WILLIAMS: Remember, Bush was in the White House, right?


WILLIAMS: So that was a republican time and a lot of people, the (inaudible). But Bill Clinton's reputation was tied into when he left and to the resentment from the Gore people and the like.

BOLLING: But it --

WILLIAMS: But I'm just telling --

BOLLING: ... it just fixed itself after nine years, correct?

WILLIAMS: No, no, no.

BOLLING: Just like that.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. That is like --

PERINO: Well the thing involvement is she like was a part of the rehabilitation.

WILLIAMS: I'm just saying, OK.


WILLIAMS: But I will say in regard to the honesty and truth issue. I think it's a liability. I think it's the primary weakness for Hillary Clinton.


WILLIAMS: And that's why what we saw at the convention was an effort to put out a message that, you know what? This is someone we --

KILMEADE: Grandma.

WILLIAMS: . leading democrats from President Obama, to Michelle Obama, to Biden, to Kaine. Someone we can rely on, someone that we have still in and not.

KILMEADE: No one else decides Hillary .


KILMEADE: . we can rely on.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. They're saying that Hilary Clinton, the real Hillary Clinton, not the caricature drawn at this table, but the real Hillary Clinton is the one who performs when, and creates .

KILMEADE: But Juan, we just said .

WILLIAMS: . with a passion.

KILMEADE: . it was about 40 percent on this table .

WILLIAMS: No, what --

KILMEADE: . that keeps saying that she's not trustworthy.

WILLIAMS: No. Look, look .

GUILFOYLE: And the poll numbers said.

WILLIAMS: Like Fournier said, this was a comment he heard more than a year ago, and it may be. But I'm telling you right now, it's an issue for Hillary Clinton. She has to address it. The key is, guess what? She's running against Donald Trump. His numbers are even worse.

PERINO: I want to take a look at this sound bite. I didn't ask him what time we have. Let's look at this from Peter Schweizer last night on "Hannity," talking about the Clinton Foundation issue with Russia.


PETER SCHWEIZER, GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY INSTITUTE PRESIDENT: The theory behind this is that we provide technology and have this initiative with the Kremlin, and it's going to strengthen relationships between the United States and Russia. The problem is, is that the 28 American companies who participate in this initiative of those 17 of them are major Clinton Foundation donors. And on the Russian side, the person that is running Skolkovo initiative and some of the participants are also giving money to the Clinton Foundation. So it's an example of sort of a crony relationship or the people that are participating .


SCHWEIZER: . have financial ties to the Clintons.


PERINO: Again, another point on the merits, Juan, that Donald Trump could actually say like, this is what we're talking about when we talk about the elites are too tied in. They have it all wired up here, even with Russia.

WILLIAMS: Well, he -- I mean he has a lot of ties to Russia. We've been over that for the last couple of days.

GUILFOYLE: Where are they? What ties?


GUILFOYLE: What ties?

WILLIAMS: Oh, gosh. Manafort has ties. He has business ties. Arguably, that's one of the reasons he won't put out his tax returns is because there may be some backing from Russian oligarchs and the like, but they're -- this is a legitimate issue again, the Clinton issue.

PERINO: This is the issue that has always bothered you.

WILLIAMS: The Clinton Foundation issue.


WILLIAMS: And whether or not, as I have said it, you know, there's a quid pro quo, then the deals and contributions that came especially from foreign governments while she was secretary of state. And as I understand, the FBI is still looking into this.



KILMEADE: And John Podesta sat on a board of a company that took an investment from a Putin company, to the tune of $35 million. And that, according to Peter Schweizer, company's name is Rusnano. And if you're talking about ties to Russia, aren't they at least x'd (ph) out right there? Doesn't she want to change the subject now that this is exposed?


KILMEADE: Unless it's not true.

WILLIAMS: Imagine Brian, if you had someone other than Trump running. Oh my, God, you really would have an issue.

BOLLING: And that --

WILLIAMS: But with all of his Trump's -- he can't even understand the question that --


PERINO: He can't pull each other out.


BOLLING: Imagine cutting a deal to sell 25 percent of your uranium production.


BOLLING: Imagine cutting a deal that they did.

WILLIAMS: That's right.

BOLLING: That's what exactly what they did.

GUILFOYLE: But the point is Juan --

BOLLING: That's disturbing.

GUILFOYLE: You're saying was, oh, Trump may -- there is no specific evidence that he does, in fact, have a Russia problem, but here to me, it's not even speculative.


GUILFOYLE: Hillary Clinton has a Russia problem.

WILLIAMS: No, he --

GUILFOYLE: I would focus on that and bang that drum all day.

WILLIAMS: Well, that's fine. But I'm saying he has a bigger Russia problem, a bigger Russia problem. And when people think --

GUILFOYLE: Which is what?

WILLIAMS: Oh, do not be --

KILMEADE: It might not be Putin, because he's $35 million worth.

WILLIAMS: He loves Putin. He's praising Putin, he praises dictators. He says he doesn't know that Putin's invaded Ukraine. Are you kidding me?

PERINO: I said who is the customer for that uranium?

BOLLING: I've --

PERINO: Right?

BOLLING: Yeah, who knows? Maybe they could sell it to whomever.

GUILFOYLE: Identify yourself.

PERINO: All right, directly ahead. Black Lives Matter lays out a brand new list of demands while promoting violence against cops. We'll reveal their controversial policy agenda next, when we return.


WILLIAMS: Welcome back. More than 60 groups associated with Black Lives Matter have release a controversial new policy agenda. The groups are demanding, among other things, reparations with they say a pass and continuing harms to African-Americans, an end to death penalty and legislation to acknowledge the effects of slavery. They also want added investment in education, mental health and jobs programs. So, Kimberly .


WILLIAMS: ... does this strike you as reasonable?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I mean, unfortunately for me, when I hear, like, Black Lives Matter, I really think of a group that is, at its core, divisive, that calls for violence, that has no respect for police officers or their families or their lives. So, to me, it's just -- it's not a group that I think has standing and credibility to be part of a unification and peace process going forward.

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, I think -- I think it's 43 percent I have here of Americans support Black Lives Matter, but 36 percent say something a little different than what you're saying. They say they're unclear on their goals. And I would have to agree. I've never been clear on what they want.

But you're saying you have a bigger issue?

GUILFOYLE: But don't you think you should be -- you should be clear about a group and what they stand for before you endorse them or say you can agree? I mean, the idea of lives mattering -- of course Black Lives Matter. But of course, police officers' lives matter.

I mean, when did we become so segregated and selective as to decide who has the right to announce and say that only their lives matter? I don't know.  It's a little bit foreign to me, since I have, you know, a little bit of a melting pot living in my body.

KILMEADE: What do you mean by that?

GUILFOYLE: Irish-Puerto Rican. I mean, going to pick one side over the other?


GUILFOYLE: We have the best parades.

KILMEADE: You don't -- you don't want to do type (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

GUILFOYLE: I go to both parades.

KILMEADE: A lot of parades.


WILLIAMS: Eric, they start off by saying they want to end the war on black people. But then they go on to this list of items.

BOLLING: Reparations.

WILLIAMS: Reparations would stand out in my mind. But they also have things like, basically, they don't want police departments.


BOLLING: Look, everyone has an agenda. Everyone has an idea. Everyone has an ideology. But the reparations part, what do they suggest? I mean, where are the reparations for the officers who are killed? Where are the reparations -- hold on. Where are the reparations for the African- Americans who are killed inner city? I mean, Chicago, the stats are insane. Sixty-five people killed in July, 400 in 2016, just in the city of Chicago alone.


BOLLING: That far exceeds anything that's going on between an officer, an encounter with an officer and an African-American.

WILLIAMS: Well, see you know what's interesting? I would say amen to what you just said about Chicago. And I wish that on their agenda, they would have said, "We, as black people, are going to take responsibility and own this issue and stop the slaughter of black people by black people."

But that's not to say it's an illegitimate issue to talk about...

BOLLING: Reparations?

WILLIAMS: ... excessive use of force.

BOLLING: No, no, no. That's fair. Of course it is.


BOLLING: Of course it is. But I have a problem with the reparations part.

WILLIAMS: Well, I do, too. I just -- not only do I think it's extreme, I think it's unrealistic and invites mockery when we have a serious issue to discuss -- Dana.

PERINO: Well, there's something -- I thought it was interesting that they finally put pen to paper and said, "OK, well, then here's our list of demands," but their list is like really, really long.

On one of them is education. And I thought I'd maybe get your thoughts on this. I feel like, if they want to change education, there's a path. They have to start thinking about who they're voting for.

Today, did you see the news that the charter schools in New York state, New York City, for sure -- maybe all across the state -- did far and above better on their tests than -- now everybody did a little bit better this year. Probably that's because they changed the test.

But the charter school results were just phenomenal, compared to the rest of the schools.

And so there are ways to change things and to change education and make things better. And all -- those are not, you know, privileged white students that are taking that test. Those are a lot of African-American students, minority students.

And so, if they really want to change education, where I think all of this starts for the next generation and the generation after that, I think that would be a place where we could maybe come together.

WILLIAMS: By the way, the reading rates right now for African-American and Hispanic kids is appalling. It's not great for white kids. They're still behind the rest of the world. But I'm just telling you, if you're thinking about the future, as Dana is describing, why wouldn't you put that at the top of your agenda, Brian?

KILMEADE: Well, you're the expert, and you're one of the best in the country at this. I feel ridiculous giving my opinion...


KILMEADE: ... because you wrote a book on this, and I'm sitting here as a white guy. But let me just tell you...

GUILFOYLE: Please don't speak.

KILMEADE: ... I want -- yes, I'm not speaking for anybody, but I just said, if they're -- if black people and minorities are frustrated at the lack of mobility in society, I'd love to have the conversation about how to make it work. It's not going to be money; it's not going to be anger.  This is an angry list. Six demands, purporting policy priorities in response to a demand for black -- Black Lives Matter standing for something.

WILLIAMS: Real quick, because they want me to tease. But so politically, does this help Mr. Law and Order? That's what Donald Trump's message was at his convention versus, I suppose, he thinks, Black Lives Matter. Who comes out on top in that discussion?

KILMEADE: If he wants to get out of single digits with minorities, I'd love to see him adopt Paul Ryan's approach to that community, because he went and studied the black community.

WILLIAMS: He won't even talk to Paul Ryan.

PERINO: He's just not there yet.

KILMEADE: That's a new first, I got ridiculed on a guest into my ear.  That's a new -- that's a new first. Everyone is yelling at me.

WILLIAMS: OK. When we return, the Olympics kick off later this week. I'm looking forward to it. But today, we're learning disturbing new details about an ISIS threat to the summer games. Will Rio be terrorists' next target? Stay tuned to hear from Ryan (ph).


KILMEADE: All right. There are growing concerns about terrorism in Rio, Brazil. Just days before the start of the Summer Olympics, a stunning new report says ISIS could hit the games with a radioactive dirty bomb. That's right. That's according to the head of counterterrorism in Brazil. As a result of the threat, security is being ramped up ahead of the opening ceremonies.

Meanwhile ISIS urges supporters to, quote, "break the cross" and lists the reasons why it hates us. Yes, westerners. It's the latest issue in its propaganda magazine, which is not a sick name; that's our nickname for it.

First, should we be worried, Eric? We hear about this all the time. In Russia...

BOLLING: I'll tell you who should be worried. NBC should be worried.


BOLLING: Because we have terror; we have Zika; we have bacteria and raw sewage in the water. We have athletes who say, "I'm not going to participate." They're typically young and single, may want to start a family soon. No one knows what the heck is going to go on in Rio. I think you're going to see...

PERINO: Blame it on Rio.

BOLLING: ... empty seats in the stands for an Olympics. That's insane, unheard of.

KILMEADE: Dana, it was about 12 years ago when they got the World Cup, and Rio got -- and Brazil got the Olympic Games. The World Cup, they were building stadiums. There are white elephants sitting out there empty in places people don't even go. The money never got to the people. It got to the government.

They've impeached their current president. The one, Lula, who was out of office, has now been indicted. The vice president is running things. And they came to us and the U.N. to say, "Can you train our counterterrorism people?"

PERINO: And they thought Chicago was corrupt.

KILMEADE: Yes. We didn't get the Olympics.

PERINO: This was the Olympics that President Obama went to pitch for.

KILMEADE: Couldn't wait to get it.

PERINO: We should have these things in America.

KILMEADE: We should have had the World Cup.

PERINO: I am for that. I hope that they don't have problems with terrorism. Of course we hope that.

But I think the concern has to be that ISIS is not like al Qaeda in that there are these big catastrophic attacks planned by multiple people where you would have intelligence streams so that you could disrupt them.

You have, like, the perpetrator in Nice who, whether working with somebody or not, basically pulled that off on his own. And you're going to have big crowds at these events. And I know that security guards will do their best, but if you have one determined terrorist, you're going to have a problem.

KILMEADE: The other thing is, Kimberly, as you know, the attack in Brussels was originally supposed to be at a nuke site in -- in Belgium.  They were going to blow that up in some rudimentary way, with a truck bomb or something. So you don't know what they're capable of.

GUILFOYLE: They're capable of just about anything. That's what we know, in fact. That they can use any means to achieve their goal. They've declared war against Christians, as well. That's on the cover of their magazine, against the cross.

So they're very clear and specific in their purpose and their focus. And they're actually executing on it. So yes, I think they're really -- if you're evaluating the threat assessment as it relates to the Olympics, I'd say it's pretty bad. Because they even lack the infrastructure to properly protect against these type of attacks. I'm sorry. I'm just telling the truth here. I don't mean to frighten people.

But when they're asking us to train their counterterrorism groups, they lack a core government constituency that's able to make change and make sure that this is locked down. I mean, I don't know. I think it's a huge problem.

And then God help us, mosquitos. ISIS -- my personal ISIS, mosquitos. I couldn't go there. You just bring me, and they'll just bite me to death.  Oh, my god. It's the worst. I'm allergic.

KILMEADE: You can't go to Miami either.

GUILFOYLE: I know. Cancel that.

KILMEADE: The security workers, they say the training we got was very quick. That doesn't make me feel better, Juan.

WILLIAMS: No. And of course, and just -- I understand there were ten people arrested who were involved with some kind of ISIS activity in Brazil. So you have ten people. Now the judge said they were amateurs and all the rest. But still, when you see the propaganda magazine -- by the way, that thing must have been rushed to press, because what they've got in there is Khan talking about Trump and the whole controversy right there.

KILMEADE: Absolutely.

WILLIAMS: So this is weird to me. They rushed to press with this?  They're having success, apparently, because they put so much of it in Portuguese to get to people, especially alienated poor people in Brazil.

GUILFOYLE: Smart move.

KILMEADE: The whole mountainside is full of them.

BOLLING: Can I recommend we don't go for another Olympics? Can we not...

KILMEADE: Don't...

BOLLING: No, here is why I say it.


KILMEADE: Because we are such a target. Nothing would make a terrorist happier...

WILLIAMS: We have our own security...

KILMEADE: ... to pull off a terrorist plot in an Olympic event where the whole world is watching. I just think for now...

GUILFOYLE: We're the best at security. Where else are you going to put it?

KILMEADE: And also the best athletes.

WILLIAMS: As Dana points out, one crazy nut job to walk through...

GUILFOYLE: Even an amateur can land a solid sucker punch.

KILMEADE: I just love the fact that we're being sarcastic that this magazine comes out and says "Why we hate you. Why we hate you, West." And by the way, the biggest thing that they find laughable is that they say Islam is a religion of peace. It is not. Because they want to wipe us out. So we don't have to have a debate or think tank. They're telling us, they hate us and they list the reasons.

GUILFOYLE: Do they list climate change and the lack of an ISIS job fair?  Please check. Page 32.

KILMEADE: Wait a second. Wait a second, wait a second. No, they don't list climate change.

BOLLING: Not the climate?

KILMEADE: Can you believe it?

WILLIAMS: I can't believe it. I'll tell you that.

I was just going to say remember what happened with the Israeli athletes, right? You know what? We don't stop the Olympics.

BOLLING: I know.

WILLIAMS: What did President Bush say? Don't let the bad guys win.

BOLLING: You know Twitter's going to light up. Bolling, red, white and blue, these colors don't run. I get it. Also you guys have to be smart at some point.

WILLIAMS: But don't give up.

GUILFOYLE: Hang in there, Bolling.

KILMEADE: Thank you. The Antoinette Robbins of "The Five."

WILLIAMS: Thank you very much.

GUILFOYLE: You survived "The View" today.

KILMEADE: Hey, let me just say, the segment that we all study for. Eric joined the ladies of "The View" earlier. How did Mr. Bolling do? How did he handle the grilling, or did they embrace him in every way, shape or form. You'll find out next when Eric plays himself on this show.


BOLLING: This morning I did something I've never done before. I joined the ladies of "The View." And it was a lot of fun. In case you missed it, here 's a quick look.


WHOOPI GOLDBERG, CO-HOST, ABC'S "THE VIEW": Fox News host and author of "Wake Up, America," Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: I am so excited to be here. It's amazing.

JOY BEHAR, CO-HOST, ABC'S "THE VIEW": Before we do this, I hear you're a fan.

BOLLING: You know, I watched "The Bachelorette" last night and in the spirit of "The Bachelorette" (HANDS HER A ROSE).

BEHAR: Will this turn me into a Republican?


GOLDBERG: You are a Trump supporter. You've been very vocal about that.  Why is he your choice for president?

BOLLING: Well, first of all, right now he's my choice, because I think he'll be a better president than Hillary Clinton. We're down to two choices.


BEHAR: But why?

BOLLING: Here's why. So right now, the Supreme Court is 4-4. It's conservative/liberal right now, 4-4. Hillary Clinton has said she will put a liberal on the Supreme Court. And a lot of things, I think, going forward -- I wrote the book about -- the book is a conservative road map, bringing the country back to the center, because we're being dragged so far left.


BOLLING: So it was a lot of fun. Whoopi, Joy, Sarah, Jet and Sunny. They were great. Tough. Tough interview, I'll tell you, but firm and fair.  Absolutely fair. But I've got to tell you, it's like going in -- it's like Yankees going into -- into Boston at Fenway Park.

KILMEADE: From where?

BOLLING: The team, the fans, the audience.

KILMEADE: When you're behind the scenes were they, uh-oh, here he comes?

BOLLING: A couple of people.


BOLLING: Two people separately -- maybe three people separately on the staff in the back, behind the scenes said, "Hey, just want to let you know.  I watch you guys on 'The Five' all the time."

I said, "Don't say that too loud." They're very --it's not very. They're very non-conservative. But they were absolutely fair. And I told people I was coming on. They were like, tweet me some advice? They were like, "Cancel. Run. Don't do it. Wear a cup. Your book is selling. You don't really need to do this."

PERINO: The roses, that was a nice touch. Whose idea was that?

BOLLING: I merely -- last night, I'm watching "The Bachelor" with Adrienne, and I'm like, "You know what? I'm going to bring roses."

PERINO: That was a nice touch.

KILMEADE: Roses. It's the network, too. Same network, ABC network. And Joy really embraced the flower.

BOLLING: People said, "Joy will be so mean to you. Be prepared for Joy."


BOLLING: Joy and Whoopi were absolutely fabulous. Jedediah was there.  Great to have her.

GUILFOYLE: You just want to be there, right?

BOLLING: Typically you wouldn't think that from...

PERINO: They play us on "The Family Feud"?

BOLLING: Wouldn't that be fun? Well, let's challenge "The View" on a "Family Feud." That would be fantastic.

WILLIAMS: Wait a second. Wait a second.

GUILFOYLE: They'll be here tomorrow. Reunited.


WILLIAMS: ... punch through the media, and here they are, being fair to you. What's going on?

BOLLING: OK. I will tell you one thing. They're being fair. However every time I relate -- they wanted to take me down on why Trump would be a better president than Hillary.

WILLIAMS: Take you down?

BOLLING: But every time I mentioned Hillary Clinton...


BOLLING: ... they turned the subject back to Trump. When you have the audience behind you...

WILLIAMS: They are asking you to say, "Here is why I'm an advocate for Donald Trump, absent Hillary Clinton."

BOLLING: No, no. But I didn't. I was saying here, because I think he's better than Hillary.

WILLIAMS: You're an anti-Hillary vote.

BOLLING: Well, that, too. Clearly, I've been on, you know...

WILLIAMS: Be a pro-Trump guy and tell us why.

BOLLING: Right now?

WILLIAMS: Yes, go ahead.

BOLLING: Because he will put the ninth Supreme Court justice as a conservative.

WILLIAMS: That's it? All right.

BOLLING: I just said it right there. That's enough.

GUILFOYLE: How about the economy?

BOLLING: And the economy and terror and security.

KILMEADE: These are all very good questions, Kimberly and Juan.  Fantastic.

WILLIAMS: We're trying to help him out.

BOLLING: We had a great time, and I loved it. Loved it.

PERINO: "Family Feud."

GUILFOYLE: They're very nice, and they're very good to this show and having it on. Dana's been on. I've been on.

KILMEADE: Let me just say, I've -- I've seen Joy do stand up. She's fantastic.

GUILFOYLE: She's funny.

BOLLING: They're wrapping me. "One More Thing" is next.


GUILFOYLE: Juan, what do you have for us today?

WILLIAMS: Well, I'm sure everybody remembers in the 2008 campaign, Hillary Clinton had an advertisement, a 3 a.m. crisis phone call, and she said there was a difference between her and someone named Barack Obama.

Well, for the 2016 race, take a look at what "The Simpsons" think about the 3 a.m. call.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's 3 a.m., and the phone is ringing in the White House. Who do you want to answer that call? Hillary Clinton?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (AS BILL CLINTON): Hello? The situation room? I'll be right there. Oh, it's for you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (AS HILLARY CLINTON): Yes. From now on, it's always for me.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE (AS DONALD TRUMP): Not now. I'm on Twitter. And Elizabeth Warren tweets too damn much. Glad I exiled her.


WILLIAMS: Too true. Too true.

GUILFOYLE: Indeed. Dana.

PERINO: All right. Well, I've been excited to bring this to you. Our executive producer in Porter Berry, we talk about him. Sometimes we make fun of him. His father is Bob Allen, and Bob Allen celebrated his 70th birthday over the weekend. And all the kids and grandkids went to Oklahoma City, and they celebrated the big birthday by taking him skydiving at a place called I Fly.


PERINO: Now, why is this amazing? Because Bob served our country as a first lieutenant platoon leader in the 173rd Airborne Brigade in Vietnam in the late '60s and fought in the Battle of Dak To. We want to celebrate and thank him for his service and hope that he had a wonderful, fantastic birthday.

GUILFOYLE: That's a great, amazing. Bless him and your family. Very nice, Porter.

KILMEADE: I would love to try that.

PERINO: Let's get you to Oklahoma City.

GUILFOYLE: Do that every morning on "Fox & Friends," flying by the seat of your pants.

KILMEADE: Absolutely.


BOLLING: To very quickly -- give me the picture. Eric Chase, my son's 18th birthday Sunday. Here we are enjoying it. There's his uncle. There's Marcus and Eric in there, Adrian and I, his girlfriend, Gabby. But also very important, Fox News finished July 2016 as basic cable's most watched network both in primetime and total day.

This is the third time this year that Fox News has been No. 1 in both day parts. And also July marked 175 months for FNC as the No. 1 cable news network in both day and primetime.

GUILFOYLE: Winning. Take that, ESPN and "Swamp People." "Breaking Bad."  All of those other shows.

OK. Oh, it's my turn! OK, so perfect. I have some delights here, because it is "Kimberly's Food Court."


GUILFOYLE: It's been a while, yes. This is new for you. Fresh for you.

KILMEADE: I've never seen this. Is it a TV series?

GUILFOYLE: It's highly regarded, a lot of awards. We've been winning.  Yes, because today is National Ice Cream Sandwich Day. Everyone deserves a parade and a day. So this is an interesting fact.

Did you know that the first ice-cream sandwich originated in the Bowery neighborhood of New York City, and it sold for one penny on little push carts?


GUILFOYLE: Now you do know.

WILLIAMS: You have a visitor over there.

GUILFOYLE: Juan is very crafty. He loves sweets. This is Magnolia Bakery. Quite delicious. We have lemon ice-cream sandwich, and this one is called birthday cake. And we're going to have this in honor of you, Eric Bolling, because your fourth week on The New York Times best-seller.  For your anniversary.

OK, Juan. He said there's one for everyone here. Because that's how we do it here at "The Five."

KILMEADE: Here's my "One More Thing." Are we ready?


KILMEADE: Pittsburgh Steelers rung back D'Angelo Williams got married in a unique way. He's got a passion for "The Walking Dead" on AMC. So he decided that his whole wedding party would get a makeover and be the Walking Dead as he gets married to Risalyn.

And of course, he didn't want it just to be any other wedding. Look at the makeup artists. How phenomenal is that? and how upset would you be if you're marrying a guy who wore makeup dressed like an alien?

GUILFOYLE: "Special Report" is next.

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