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Did President Obama elevate the Black Lives Matter movement?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 11, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone, I'm Eric Bolling and this is a Fox News alert. We're keeping very close eye on a deadly shooting in a courthouse in St. Joseph, Michigan this afternoon. Two bailiffs have been killed and one deputy sheriff and a civilian have been shot. The suspect is dead. State police have secured the scene. We'll going to bring you more as soon as developments now come in. But we now turn to the tensions involving recent police shootings in America. Former Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey warns the country is in a very volatile state. And Dallas Police Chief David Brown has an interesting solution how to make things better.

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CHARLES RAMSEY, FORMER PHILADELPHIA POLICE COMMISSIONER: We are sitting on a powder keg. I mean it's a -- you can call it a powder keg. You can say that we're handling nitroglycerin, but obviously when you just look at what's going on, we're in a very, very critical point in the history of this country. And I think you got two conventions coming up that are going to be very, very challenging to handle. And I don't think they're going to go without some incident taking place. It's unfortunate, but that's what I personally think.

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BOLLING: And Dallas Police Chief David Brown has an interesting solution how to make things better. Here's what his message was to Black Lives Matter protesters was earlier.

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DAVID BROWN, DALLAS POLICE CHIEF: I'm the kind of person that if I probably wouldn't protest or complain. I'd get involved and do something about it by becoming part of the solution. Serve your community. Don't be a part of the problem. We're hiring. We're hiring. Get off that protest line and put an application in. And we'll put you in your neighborhood and help -- we will help you resolve some of the problems you are protesting about.

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BOLLING: Great message, Greg?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I think --

BOLLING: Get it done and help out, and don't complain.

GUTFELD: I think it's a great message. The only challenge is can the folks that he's talking to match the application requirements? They might have to change that. They might -- like for example, if you have a certain thing on you, in your background that might keep you from becoming a police officer, you might have to change that. But I want to address the powder keg question. If that's indeed real, if we are living on a powder keg and why, and I think it's because it's based on leisure. I think we have a bored society. If you look over the long term, violence is going down. We've become generally more peaceful. The necessities of life have been met; you have a cell phone, you have TVs, you have cheap food, nice clothes, you've easy relationships. So what's next? Faced with the challenges of leisure, you turn to conflict instead of contemplation because you don't know what else to do. If people from other countries, like Rwanda or Somalia came here and saw what we were protesting, they would be, are you out of your mind? I would give like to have one-tenth of what you have. But then -- but we got so much.

BOLLING: KG, we talked about it, we very briefly touched the on it in the beginning of the show. Another shooting in Michigan, two bailiffs are killed. Are we dealing with some sort of epidemic -- national epidemic?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: You know, I don't know -- I hesitate to, you know, to call that, but obviously like he said, you know, Ramsey said there are tensions are high, things are very volatile right now. We're dealing with, you know, a country that is influx. We're dealing with a country that has had a tremendous amount of vitriol and incendiary rhetoric blaming, (inaudible) at the police department which, you know, I totally oppose. And it's very sad to see now officers to have a target on their back, because believe me, the majority of the people, you know, in this country appreciate that you protect and serve and you help make that our communities safe. You know having worked three years as a prosecutor in, you know, very serious cases including death penalty, obviously security in the courtroom is of paramount concern. And you have individuals that sometimes like this think they have nothing to lose and try to pull a weapon off an officer and one of the courtroom deputies like we saw happened here and it's just, you know, it just my heart goes out to the families and to the victims in this.

BOLLING: Dana, do you think this is copycat? Is this a -- I don't know, a movement that's happening, kill cops?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: And to point something that you, when you look back over time you can say hindsight's 20/20 and either it was or wasn't coordinated. I think it's just a little bit too early to say. And it is the heat of summer. And what -- so we, people have leisure time, right? So I think that's -- there's that and -- but I also think that something that David French of the "National Review" wrote today was really interesting. And of course, I'd love everybody's thoughts and ones in particular about. The grievances that Black Lives Matter is concerned about are real to them. And some of them, I think, are legitimate questions that society has to deal with. But within the element of BLM, you have this radicalized or extremist type violence that is basically coloring the entire movement as to be something that, maybe it perhaps didn't intend to be initially. And I don't know at this point how do they separate those two things out because the attacks on cops obviously is very highly charged, and then you see somebody like the police chief, David Brown of Dallas, I'm so glad that America has had a chance to meet somebody like that. I mean what a leader at a time when we really could use one.

BOLLING: Juan?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I just think it's very important to understand that, you know, the impression that was left by the social media of last week before the Dallas shootings, the shootings of those two black men, one in Baton Rouge and the other in Minnesota. I think that's spread in the social media environment .

PERINO: Yes.

WILLIAMS: . like a wildfire. And so, you know, to my mind, Black Lives Matter had actually been in decline, especially after the politics. Remember, you know, they tried to, you know, confront Hillary Clinton, shush Bernie Sanders and all the rest, and it really had not amounted to much. You didn't have support from them coming from the congressional black caucus. You did not have support from them in terms of local elected officials or even President Obama. But now, you have people who are back on their heels in the aftermath of the Dallas shooting, people who feel on the defense as if their issue is being obscured and they feel like, well, gee, you know .

PERINO: Right.

WILLIAMS: . we understand. You know, they don't feel responsible for the one maniac -- we always have extremists and maniacs in every movement, but they don't feel responsible for the man who pulled the trigger and perpetrating those horrific things in Dallas.

BOLLING: But Juan, we're going to talk about President Obama right now. But he, you know, before he knew any of the evidence, before he knew any of the circumstances regarding the two incidents that you're talking about, Minnesota and Baton Rouge. He took to the podium and basically said, hey, this has to stop. He didn't know what had to stop yet. But he went ahead and did that. I'm not sure that didn't, didn't charge up the Black Lives Matter movement --

WILLIAMS: You know that's not a responsible statement to make.

BOLLING: And --

WILLIAMS: You say the president -- he didn't know. What he knew was that there are people in our society -- and this is what I think you're not picking up on. People in our society who feel they do not have equal treatment from the police. So you could say you're wrong .

BOLLING: But --

WILLIAMS: . but you have to point it out to them. You have to make sure that the society is listening in response.

BOLLING: All I was saying is he should have -- in my opinion, he should have waited to find out what the facts of the case were, and then if it were -- as it appeared or as he thought it was, then go ahead, go hard. But my problem is the timing, two hours after he goes to the podium, five cops are dead.

WILLIAMS: Oh, come on, gosh.

BOLLING: But not -- listen. I'm not .

WILLIAMS: Now that association is out of line. Come on, Eric .

BOLLING: I'm not blaming him for .

WILLIAMS: . that's really too much.

BOLLING: . I'm blaming the shooter for, but the shooter clearly said, he used the Black Lives Matter protest to speed up whatever he was planning on doing.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no.

BOLLING: Sure it is.

WILLIAMS: We don't know what -- first of all, what we know is that he had amassed a lot of ammunition and explosives.

BOLLING: Right.

WILLIAMS: So --

BOLLING: He was going to do something, no doubt.

WILLIAMS: Yes. And so you have these incidents take place in Louisiana and Minnesota, and then you had a peaceful march. Everybody says it was a peaceful march and he takes advantage of that moment. Why do you want to blame Black Lives Matter?

BOLLING: Let's talk about this. President Obama spends the weekend overseas defending the Black Lives Matter movement. Listen to the other movement he compares BLM to.

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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: The Abolition Movement was contentious. The effort for women to get the right to vote was contentious and messy. The same was true with the Civil Rights Movement, and the Union Movement, and the Environmental Movement, and the Anti-war Movement during Vietnam and I think what you're seeing now is part of that long standing tradition.

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BOLLING: Let's bring it around this way. Juan, I want to hear what you have to say, but let's start with Kimberly. The women's movement -- women's right to vote, Civil Rights Movement, Abolition, Anti-war and BLM, all on equal footing --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean, I just -- he just seems so out of touch. To me, this is such irresponsible rhetoric. I don't think there's any fair comparison between those movements that he said like women trying to fight for the right to vote. And Black Lives Matter, you know, and people that support Black Lives Matter calling for the death of police officers to kill cops like the guy that supported them, that you know, committed these heinous cold-blooded murders of officers in Dallas. Just like the shooting in Michigan, horrible situations that we see happening now against law enforcement. And you know, unfortunately, the DNA of Black Lives Matter is associated with this.

BOLLING: Juan, do you put Black Lives Matter on the same level that President Obama does on the women's right to vote, the Civil Rights Movement, the Abolition Movement and --

WILLIAMS: Yeah, what you're seeing is contentious movements beginning with the American Revolution. Remember, we didn't like the idea of the British military and their guns were coming in and telling us what to do, imposing taxes and even staying in our houses without our, you know, without our volition. So we fought back, and I think what you see is an obvious cases. You have people who say, oh, they're extremists among you involved in the movement, so therefore you're responsible for the very worst elements. And those are people who really don't want to change, don't want to hear the grievance.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on that equal footing for them?

PERINO: Well, I think that whether I agree with President Obama or not, I've think that it is incumbent on all of us to recognize. There are a lot of people in America who do agree with him. So, then you have to decide. OK, well then, from a leadership standpoint, what do we need to do? I actually think it's kind of an evolution or a continuation of a movement and that these things sort of ebb and flow over time. And that is build up over a feeling by African -American that they are unfairly targeted by police. And there's a study in "The New York Times" from somebody from Harvard who would (inaudible), he's like let's look at the evidence. And the lethality argument is actually not there. It does not hold up. But again, from social media and the perception, President Obama is giving voice to who he -- people that he thinks have a grievance and he's trying to find a way, I guess, to channel it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think we have to recognize that there are a lot of people who do feel that way.

BOLLING: Legitimate protest group, should be recognized?

GUTFELD: Well, this is the topic of my monologue in the next segment. So I'm like -- I'm trying to think of something other than what I'm going to say next. I will say this. If you took a Civil Rights Movement or the women -- if you actually took a time travel machine and brought them forward and saw some of the grievances, not -- I'm not talking Black Lives Matter, but the all the progressive movement grievances on the campuses, the cry for safe spaces. They would, their heads would explode. Any civil rights activist from the '60s, if they went on to Harvard campuses and saw that they were divesting over coal, you know, or that they were just -- or they were saying climate change causes terror. Every common sense civil rights leader or hero or women's right would go like, I can't believe you guys. You're making a mockery of everything we fought for.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: Let's take a listen, quickly, to Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton on this exact topic. Listen.

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DONALD TRUMP, 2016 PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I want our nation's police to know that we thank you from the bottom of our heart. America's police and law enforcement personnel are what separate civilization from total chaos and the destruction of our country, as we know it. It's time for our hostility against our police and against all members of law enforcement to end and end immediately right now. I am the law and order candidate.

HILLARY CLINTON, 2016 PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I will call for white people, like myself, to put ourselves in the shoes of those African- American families who fear every time their children go somewhere. I'm going to be talking to white people. I think we are the ones who have to start listening .

WOLF BLITZER, CNN'S LEAD POLITICAL ANCHOR: All right.

CLINTON: . to the legitimate cries that are coming from our African- American fellow citizens.

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BOLLING: Dana -- you want to go?

GUTFELD: No, I was just almost throwing up listening to her.

BOLLING: Oh.

GUTFELD: But go ahead.

BOLLING: Yeah.

PERINO: Well, I think that this is your choice, America. And the important thing in an election is where you can draw a contrast between two candidates and the approach and have -- so there you have it. There are two different -- two distinct choices. What I think is very interesting is that whoever wins out of those two, they're going to have to deal with this problem. And how they decide to deal with it will be really important for all of our futures.

BOLLING: Final, final thoughts.

GUTFELD: We were talking about this on Friday. The idea that like -- how this huge conflicts, these horrible events we experience them .

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: . and then we completely move on to another one. And I keep going back to the point that I made on Friday that since Sunday has become another Saturday. There is no period to the end of our sentences, so we don't actually end the week contemplating what happened Monday through Friday. When a community comes together at church and they sit and they talk about it, and they de-escalate the emotions. And they start talking about the facts, but we don't have that period anymore. So the sentence keeps going on and on and on. So no one ever actually comes to any conclusions, they just get angrier.

GUILFOYLE: It's a run-on sentence.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: And?

GUILFOYLE: And I think that Trump really nailed it there in terms of his messaging and getting out a message to people saying, "I am the law and order candidate." That's what people want to hear right now, that you're going to restore order, you're going to restore public safety because people feel unsafe in America because the people that are supposed to be protecting us are now under siege.

BOLLING: Quick thought with Hillary has a different approach .

WILLIAMS: No, I just --

BOLLING: . will talk to the white people.

WILLIAMS: I -- let's talk to everybody. I mean what we need is healing. I don't think we need that kind of incendiary rhetoric. And I, I would -- particularly, I mean to me it's incredible. You know, Trump has engaged in bigoted language, xenophobia, he's put down women in a really exorable way --

BOLLING: "I am the law and order," candidate --

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. And that I'm just -- listen, we're all for law and order here. Nobody's for anarchy, let's just be clear. So this is a false divide and the reality is people want to ignore what Trump has been running on.

BOLLING: All right, we have to leave it there. At 9:00 p.m. eastern, Megyn Kelly will be joined by members of some of the country's largest police groups along with leaders from the Black Lives Matter movement. You don't want to miss that.

Next, we're going to take to look at how the mainstream media has been covering the Black Lives Matter movement. And ahead, it's a big day for us, not only it is our fifth anniversary, but the bus we're going to take on the road trip to the presidential conventions has arrived in New York City. There's the bus in Times Square. Later, we're going take you inside as we see it for first time ourselves. You don't want to miss that one.

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GUTFELD: So the Sunday New York Times just whined how sniper fire halted the strides of Black Lives Matter. Sorry, it halted the strides of five policemen permanently. The paper also added that BLM, not the police or our country, faces its biggest crisis yet. That's their default response: Grievance always trumps grieving.

It must have been hard then for the paper to report on a new study that finds absolutely no racial bias in police shootings, which undermines the whole narrative. But facts lose to feelings, for identity politics always culminate in emotional tribalism because such division always guarantees attention.

But The Times shouldn't fret. The victories of victimhood remain intact. Here, the media slobbers over this photo. How powerful. A lone woman stands against the evil militarized police. So, even after five good men are murdered, the stereotype must be maintained: The brutal force against the bravely peaceful. How touching. How fake.

Seriously, what happened to the rage? When the issue was police brutality, it was no justice, no peace. Now the issue's murdered police and it's let's sing Kumbaya. No thanks.

In 1989 Ice Cube's band N.W.A did a song called "F the Police." Recently, he got paid millions to play a police officer in the movie "Ride Along." In 1992, Ice-T's band Body Count did a song called "Cop Killer." He's been playing a cop on "Law and Order" for 16 years. So maybe targeting and trashing the police, truly, is a movement, career wise anyway?

Anyways --

PERINO: Wow.

GUTFELD: Rudy. Rudy had this to say about Black Lives Matter. He's not moving away from it.

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RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I believe I saved a lot more black lives, the Black Lives Matter. I don't see what Black Lives Matter is doing for blacks other than isolating them. All it cares about is the police shooting of blacks. It doesn't care about the 90 percent of blacks that are killed by other blacks. That's just a simple .

AINSLEY EARHARDT, "FOX & FRIENDS" CO-HOST: You know --

GIULIANI: . fact.

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GUTFELD: The thing here is, Kimberly --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: I mean, there are statistics that when he became mayor the death of blacks declined dramatically under his watch. So his argument -- people may laugh at it, but it's actually --

GUILFOYLE: Why would they laugh?

GUTFELD: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: If they had any experience working as a prosecutor, as a mayor and understanding how you govern and protect public safety and communities, then you would know and have great appreciation for the service that Rudy Giuliani has given this country and this city. I'm specifically about stop and frisk, about community policing, making sure that violent criminals and repeat offenders are no longer on the streets makes us all safer. And I hear what he's saying, he was trying to do something, yes, because he cares about black lives and he cares about black on black crime and doing something in the communities to make it safe for everyone to go to the store, to take their kids to school, to come home in the evening and have dinner and be able to play in their neighborhoods and not hide in their homes for fear of catching a stray bullet. So I stand with Rudy on that. I think that I understand where he is coming from.

GUTFELD: The neighborhoods changed after Rudy came in, Eric. He has a right to defend himself against the stereotypes.

GUILFOYLE: True.

BOLLING: Can I talk about Black Lives Matter for a second?

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: So the group is founded on a lie. "Hands up, don't shoot" is when Black Lives Matter was supposed born. And then the group has gone through the iterations of, "what do we want, dead cops. When do we want them, we want them now; Pigs in a blanket" and now to this associated with Black Lives matter protesters, Dallas shooting. So a group that's founded in a lie and then rooted in evil, and hate, and death, and racism shouldn't even be recognized in my opinion. I disagree with Juan, vehemently that this is a group, maybe he has and its root some sort of ideology that may be admirable, but the way they're carrying out their ideology is despicable.

WILLIAMS: Well, you know you're just wrong on so many counts, I don't know where to begin. They did not begin with Michael Ferguson -- Michael Brown in Ferguson. They began with Trayvon Martin in Florida. And then second thing to say is what, when you look at this group -- yes, there are people in the group that make mistakes. They lack an agenda. I've been openly critical. But you can't ignore so many cases. You know, it's not only Michael Brown, Laquan McDonald, Tamir Rice, you know, you go on Walter Scott, the guy that gets shot right in his back --

GUTFELD: We know.

WILLIAMS: Everybody is --

GUTFELD: Juan, you're right about that.

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WILLIAMS: I mean, I could go on and on and you had the two last week.

GUTFELD: You can't go on and on.

WILLIAMS: You act as if -- yes, I can.

GUTFELD: They produce so many racial (inaudible) -- bias.

WILLIAMS: There is a bias. Because as I said to you last week, "The Washington Post" reported there's 6 percent of the population in this country is black men, but 40 percent of the people killed unarmed by police -- black men.

GUTFELD: But you know the correlation .

WILLIAMS: And so -- no.

GUTFELD: . to the statistics are also on crime.

WILLIAMS: No, but I -- listen, I got to tell you, you went on and on about those statistics, but I just want to tell you it's clear, including from "The New York Times" report that you cited that the incidents of people being pushed to the ground, beaten --

PERINO: Yup.

GUTFELD: Right.

WILLIAMS: . all of that handcuffed, disproportionate. It's when it comes to the shootings, again, that this fellow who had limited data .

GUTFELD: Right.

WILLIAMS: . mostly focused on Houston could find no correlation -- racial correlation.

GUTFELD: Right, right. And that's, that's an important fact because this movement is based on the shootings. Dana?

PERINO: Well, so will "The New York Times" be, you know, against science .

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: . when it comes to reporting about this? But I do think -- so what Juan is saying is true. In this study, the professor did, he said that they are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper sprayed by a police officer, but he said in the most surprising result of his career, when it comes to the most lethal form of force like a shooting, there was no racial bias. So I think, actually, there is a reason to be concerned about how African-Americans feel about interactions with police, but the ironic thing is the police chief in Dallas, David Brown, was addressing that.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: And he had actually done .

BOLLING: That's true.

PERINO: . a really good job of it.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: And this Micah Johnson, who decided to commit this horrible crime, ended up -- he up-ended all of that effort and basically shot himself -- literally.

GUTFELD: All right. Up next, some Trump running mate news, and still to come -- yes, our bus is here. Our ride to the conventions in Cleveland and Philadelphia has arrived in New York City. We're going to go out there and see it later. And you're going to see the inside of it, ahead.

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PERINO: The Republican National Convention is now just one week away. We could know who Donald Trump will pick as his running mate even before then. "The Washington Post" reports the presumptive nominee could decide on his selection by the end of this week. Trump appeared on the trail with one possible contender today -- Chris Christie. Also on Trump's rumored short list: Mike Pence, Jeff Sessions, Newt Gingrich and Lieutenant General Mike Flynn. Here's Flynn addressing the possibility of being selected yesterday.

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MARTHA RADDATZ, ABC HOST: Would you like to be Donald Trump's vice president?

LT. GEN. MIKE FLYNN (RET.), U.S. ARMY: I have said -- I have said that, you know, service to this country is an honor. I am honored to be even in this discussion. It's a pretty big deal, and I take it very seriously. If people are serious about it, you know, I have to be serious about it.

I grew up as a Democrat in a very strong Democratic family, but I will tell you that the Democratic Party that exists in this country is not the Democratic Party that I grew up around.

I vote for leadership. That's what I vote for. And I vote for America.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: OK. So veepstakes. NBC News is reporting that it's really actually down to two, Christie and Governor Pence of Indiana. We really don't know.

But Kimberly, Chris -- Governor Pence has a deadline of, I think, later this week, because he's also planning to run for re-election as governor, but under Indiana law you cannot do both. So that might be why we might find out before next week.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, that's definitely tough timing, and so that's why people are saying maybe in the next three days a decision has to be made. So a little bit of a push is there. I mean, obviously, these are all fantastic people to be considered. Pence would be a great choice. A lot of people seem to like him.

But I still hear a tremendous amount of support for Newt Gingrich. A lot of people think that he would be great. You heard Biden even saying how formidable that he would be. Even Alan Colmes was telling me earlier he thinks that Newt would be such a good choice because of how intelligent he is and his knowledge of, you know, government.

PERINO: It would be one heck of a debate. That's for sure.

GUILFOYLE: Good point.

PERINO: Christie is still in the mix. Eric, does that surprise you?

BOLLING: I doubt it. I can't imagine that.

By the way, it wasn't Brian Williams who broke that news, was it?

PERINO: I don't know.

BOLLING: I'm kidding.

Some big news, though: Paul Ryan is going to speak at the convention. That's good news. That's a little unity behind Donald Trump. And Ted Cruz is going to speak. So the convention looks like it's firming up for Donald Trump.

I'd also love to see Newt. I know this whole path to the White House, you have to go through Florida and Ohio, really important. But if you're not going to go with one of those two guys, Rubio or Kasich, Newt's amazing. Newt's a unifier. I love the guy.

PERINO: So I have a theory that it might not be any of the people that they're floating, that Trump will want to surprise people. What do you think?

GUTFELD: The sus-Pence is killing me. Ha, ha, ha. Terrible.

Pence seems like a good guy, level-headed. Very religious. Very religious. So that might help with Trump.

But then you've got Flynn, who you know, addresses the primary concern, which is national security. It's about terrorism and not tuition.

The big question is who will Trump listen to? Or does it matter? Because Trump only listens to his family and his accountant. You know? So maybe he'd -- maybe he will listen to a retired general because, you know, he admires might.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but he could be homeland security or NSA.

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PERINO: Let me get -- let me get Juan in here. Juan, let me ask you something. Because Chris Stirewalt today in his halftime report that he does for FOXNews.com. He said that Pence was not a good choice for Trump, because it would repel the moderates and the liberals that might be so disgusted with Hillary they're thinking of voting for Trump. And that might not be a good signal for them.

WILLIAMS: The good about -- the good about Pence is that Pence has connections to the evangelical community in a strong way. He also has connections to the Koch brothers, so they might get more supportive, financially, of Donald Trump.

But the negative is that Pence went through a big struggle about gay rights and religious freedom act in Indiana, and he had to back off, and he lost that.

So the people that Stirewalt is talking about would be, kind of, you know, gee, it's two white guys, Chris, again, you know. I mean, you know, it's just like this convention were coming up. I just wrote a piece in "The Hill." I said even the women, Republican women that Romney got to stand up for him are not willing to stand up for Trump.

PERINO: It's going to be interesting, that's for sure.

Tune in to "Hannity" tonight at 10 p.m. Eastern, because Sean is going to interview potential Trump running mates Mike Flynn and Newt Gingrich.

But next on "The Five," it's finally here. Our bus. We're taking it for a road trip to the conventions. We're going to head outside to see it right now. We haven't seen it yet. Please join us there on the other side of this break.

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GUILFOYLE: Welcome back to "The Five." And as you can see, we're outside of our building.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: We are super excited, because today is the day that our road trip bus has arrived. Feast your eyes on that. All right.

So we are setting up this Friday for our big journey to Cleveland and to Philadelphia for the conventions. We're going to go inside in just a few moments. But let's chat out here for a little bit before we go inside.

Greg, are you so excited about this?

GUTFELD: I am. I haven't slept for days. I love bus trips, ever since I saw the movie "Midnight Cowboy." There's nothing better than a bus station, a long bus ride. You've got all the stuff you need in there, although you can't use the toilet.

PERINO: Why?

GUTFELD: You can use the toilet for one but not two.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: It's just polite.

WILLIAMS: Wait. I mean, you haven't slept. Are you going to snore the whole trip?

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: I immediately -- when you hear the engine go, it's like a little -- you know, baby falls asleep when it hears an engine? I just go to sleep, and I drool.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

BOLLING: You can attest to that.

GUILFOYLE: I can attest to that, because somehow Dana got out of sitting next to Greg the last time we flew. And let's just say I've never recovered. You took off your sock and your toe was like...

PERINO: We're going to get to know each other real well.

GUILFOYLE: Medication, whatever. Dana.

PERINO: I love a road trip. I grew up going on road trips. We grew up in Wyoming and Colorado. So we always would drive seven, eight hours anywhere. My dad would have the windows rolled down. We had no air conditioning. We had just regular radio. So this is like a super upgrade to the road trip for me.

BOLLING: So who gets to pick the temperature of the bus? And the music?

GUILFOYLE: The ladies.

BOLLING: You get the temperature. We get the music.

PERINO: I'll put on a sweater.

GUILFOYLE: I want the temperature. I can listen to any of the music. I can dance to anything. Rochambeau, I'm not...

WILLIAMS: If it's really, really, really cold, you know what this is going to remind me of? You know that movie, "Cool Runnings," where they have the five bobsled guys from Jamaica packed in. It's us. We're packed in, and we're cold because you're setting the temperature.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. OK, well then, maybe we can just cuddle. So I want a show of hands of who will warm me up. (DANA PERINO RAISES HAND)

BOLLING: I'm married.

GUILFOYLE: Dana will do it. I love it.

PERINO: OK. Don't want to do that.

BOLLING: Whoa!

PERINO: The other thing is, we're going to get to stop along the way. Like, I'm excited to go to visit some of these places in Pennsylvania we haven't been to.

WILLIAMS: Hershey. Hershey Park.

BOLLING: Did you hear we're going to see the biggest cheese wheel in America?

PERINO: No.

BOLLING: Yes. On one of the stops.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

PERINO: "Kimberly's Food Court."

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I love it.

PERINO: You're going to like the cheese.

GUILFOYLE: We love the cheddar. "The Five" loves the cheddar in the green room.

BOLLING: Inside story. Inside story.

GUILFOYLE: So prerequisite for the trip. And then also, maybe kiss a pig contest. Puckering up, bringing some delicious bacon-flavored lip gloss.

PERINO: That's actually not a bad idea.

WILLIAMS: What about salami?

GUTFELD: By the way....

GUILFOYLE: And lots of salami. I got some today from Wendy Aikens (ph), my neighbor.

GUTFELD: ... if you want to see the bus, and you want to give us anything that might have any kind of alcohol content, it's not like we're allowed to take it. But it's not allowed -- it's not like we're not not allowed to take it.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

GUTFELD: So just leave it in front of the bus. There might be a little drinking elf that takes it.

GUILFOYLE: OK. We're going to do a disclaimer on that. Don't leave Greg any booze.

But don't move. Because up next, it's the moment that we've been waiting for. So please keep it right here, so you can join us as we get our first look at the inside of this absolutely beautiful bus.

Back in a moment.

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WILLIAMS: We're back. It's time. Time because we're about to board the bus. We're taking our road trip to conventions. Party time, convention time, our time. And Dana is going to lead the way.

PERINO: OK. I'll do it. Are you guys ready?

BOLLING: The first time we see it.

PERINO: Whose idea was this? Anyway, OK, here we go.

It's actually really cool.

GUTFELD: Wait. There's not enough FOX News memorabilia. They need more FOX News memorabilia.

PERINO: They have your...

GUTFELD: Picture.

BOLLING: Flag pillows. Need flag pillows.

PERINO: Home, sweet home.

GUTFELD: You know, this doubles for something else. I won't say what.

PERINO: Like what?

BOLLING: A seat cushion.

GUTFELD: A seat cushion.

Thank God for saving me on that one.

PERINO: This is pretty cool.

GUILFOYLE: It is furry.

GUTFELD: A picture of me. An Eric Bolling book right here, in case you want to read something in the bathroom.

BOLLING: We can put the audio book on.

GUILFOYLE: I love this. Oh, my God. The ultimate...

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: Look at the floor. It's like marble. That's unbelievable.

PERINO: Wait.

WILLIAMS: Look at the floors, folks. This is not your -- this is no carpet. This is no, like, grungy carpet.

PERINO: Juan do you have a...

GUTFELD: My hands get filthy.

WILLIAMS: I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: Open the top, Dana.

GUTFELD: Ooh, they have Pringles.

PERINO: We have a vat (ph) of bumblegum?

BOLLING: See that? The New York Times, baby.

GUILFOYLE: I love it. It's 5 p.m. somewhere.

GUTFELD: Where's the wine? Where is the wine?

BOLLING: Where is the wine?

GUILFOYLE: I found the Starbursts.

PERINO: Hey, K.G.

WILLIAMS: Look at this. Hey...

GUTFELD: We're in the bathroom area, which is my favorite part.

WILLIAMS: It's unbelievable.

GUTFELD: That's where I get my reading and thinking done.

GUILFOYLE: I love it, yes.

GUTFELD: Look, a picture of Jasper. Right there.

PERINO: Of course.

GUTFELD: So he'll always be here. That's like -- that's a pretty grim...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. I love it.

BOLLING: I have a place to hide it.

GUILFOYLE: Skinny Pop.

PERINO: Skinny Pop.

GUILFOYLE: That was on our list. On the diva -- diva, J. Lo.

PERINO: I think I'm calling this seat right here. Because I'm the smallest, and I can curl up in here.

WILLIAMS: Whoa.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe I want the hang out here in the back of the bus, right?

GUTFELD: This is nice. I love it. It's very cool in here. I can take a nice nap.

WILLIAMS: You know what I noticed? They've got pictures of you over here...

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: And they've got Jasper in here. I think this is all about Dana. I think this is Dana's bus.

PERINO: No.

GUTFELD: No pictures of Juan, though.

WILLIAMS: No. Don't worry about it.

GUTFELD: No.

WILLIAMS: You know, it's lucky. If it was up to you, I'd be sitting at the back of the bus.

GUTFELD: Oh! I try my best. I try my best, Juan.

WILLIAMS: I know, I know, I know.

GUILFOYLE: I love it. I just want to sit close to wherever the salami is. Does that make sense?

WILLIAMS: That makes sense.

GUTFELD: Here's the bathroom.

BOLLING: Greg, in case you need it, here's the rest room.

WILLIAMS: Look. Here we are.

GUTFELD: By the way, OK, I just went into the bathroom. It's the same bath towel from my book tour.

GUILFOYLE: Barbecue Pringles.

GUTFELD: They used the same bath -- they used the same bath towel as my book tour. They have not cleaned that towel.

WILLIAM: This is too much.

GUTFELD: They have not clean this towel.

WILLIAMS: We're having fun already on this great tour. You know, this bus actually is better than most planes.

GUTFELD: This is the towel! Oh, by the way...

WILLIAMS: This is first class all the way.

PERINO: I agree with that. I agree with that. A plane isn't really...

WILLIAMS: Not like this. This is all about us. So this is just too much fun.

GUILFOYLE: I'm going to go in here with him.

WILLIAMS: But you know what? Stick with us, because when we're going to go back inside, we're going to have a whole lot more fun. We're going to have a celebration for our fifth anniversary of "The Five."

GUTFELD: Keep talking.

GUILFOYLE: Help me! I'm trapped in the bathroom.

GUTFELD: There we go. All right.

GUILFOYLE: I just came out of the bathroom with Gutfeld and established some rules.

GUTFELD: Pringles, Pringles, Pringles.

BOLLING: Look at this chair.

GUTFELD: By the way -- it's kind of already starting. So I might as well eat.

PERINO: Wait, what's this?

BOLLING: You've got a TV right here.

GUILFOYLE: I love it. This is where I want to sit, Bolling, with the nice blankets to wrap me, right?

BOLLING: I'm all right here. I'm loving it.

WILLIAMS: Gregory, look at this.

GUTFELD: Where's the booze?

WILLIAMS: I'm hugging Gregory.

PERINO: May I take your order?

WILLIAMS: Here's the real Gregory, and here's my Gregory.

PERINO: May I take your order?

WILLIAMS: All right -- So...

GUILFOYLE: I need a foot massage.

WILLIAMS: Here we go. Here we go. Hey, listen, now I'm really serious. We are going to go eat cake, cake, and delicious cake. In fact, I think it's your favorite cake.

BOLLING: Lemon cake.

WILLIAMS: Lemon cake. Stay with us, because "The Five" is back for the fifth anniversary celebration. Our birthday, today.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back. We're still on the bus we're going to be taking on the road trip. And we've got something to celebrate right now. Today, our five-year anniversary, and we've got our favorite cake right here. Lemon cake from Del Frisco's, delicious lemon cake. Happy five-year anniversary.

PERINO: Happy anniversary!

WILLIAMS: Yay!

BOLLING: Juan, you want to start cutting here?

WILLIAMS: There we go.

PERINO: We should blow out the candle.

WILLIAMS: You should -- why don't we have the ladies blow out the candle? Make a wish, ladies.

GUILFOYLE: One, two, three.

GUTFELD: Sexist. Why can't a man do it?

BOLLING: All right. Here we go.

WILLIAMS: Here we go.

BOLLING: Can we talk about some of our favorite "Five" memories?

GUTFELD: You want to -- my favorite memory -- I was thinking about this -- was the royalty segments with Martha MacCallum and when I -- because I can't stand royalty stories. And I said that we -- coming up we had an interview with the baby's umbilical cord. And I -- I don't think we ever did another royalty segment, and I had to apologize to Martha. And she accepted my apology but still looks at me like I'm an evil little man, like I am.

PERINO: A little bit.

GUILFOYLE: I know. There you go.

PERINO: I feel like, with all of our anniversaries, I've probably eaten one entire cake.

I was just saying that I have never had -- I've never stayed in a job this long, and I love it. And I -- you know what I mean? Because every couple years, you move up.

GUILFOYLE: I haven't either.

PERINO: But the time has really gone by fast.

WILLIAMS: Wait a second. Wait a second here.

PERINO: Because actually, when we started, Eric's son was in middle school.

BOLLING: Yes.

PERINO: And now he's going to college.

BOLLING: Yes, he's moved to college.

PERINO: That makes me feel old.

GUTFELD: That's not true.

PERINO: That's true.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, will you pass me a fork, please? I want to -- this was the subject of one of my "Kimberly's Food Courts," was the yellow cake at Del Frisco's.

GUTFELD: When this show started out, I was also in middle school.

WILLIAMS: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. Hilarious.

PERINO: You mean in mentality?

GUTFELD: No, just -- I was driving by one.

WILLIAMS: What about when -- remember when Shepherd cut across the back.

PERINO: Carrying the menorah?

WILLIAMS: Yes, what was that about? I don't even remember.

BOLLING: We were on live in a different studio...

WILLIAMS: Yes.

BOLLING: ... because there was some Christmas celebration in our studio. He didn't know we were on.

WILLIAMS: He didn't know? No, he knew. He knew.

BOLLING: He picked up -- he picked up the menorah.

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: And passed to the back.

GUILFOYLE: And by the way, guys, on a serious note, it's our five-year anniversary, our five-year birthday, and also, we thank our chairman, Roger Ailes, who created this show, put us all together. And FOX News...

PERINO: And also gave us room to run. Like, this show is so fun, in a lot of ways. Obviously, we prepare, but we don't script it.

GUTFELD: They left us alone.

PERINO: Nobody knows...

GUILFOYLE: Exactly.

GUTFELD: Essentially, they left us alone. Which is what they -- what they do with everything. They don't meddle. They leave you alone, and they let you be yourself, and then it happens.

BOLLING: Until we say something. And get the call.

PERINO: And we're going to be on this bus, and then hopefully, we won't get a call.

WILLIAMS: You know, I get -- I get two kinds of people who watch "The Five." People who say, "Hey, you know, it's 5 p.m., I want to have some fun. I tune in, and 'The Five' is my party."

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: The second group are people who tell me they're on treadmills. Treadmills, ellipticals.

PERINO: A lot of exercisers.

WILLIAMS: Wow, this is the hour for exercise.

PERINO: The other thing is, we have a lot of moms who are getting dinner prepared, and they put the kids around the kitchen island. Everybody watches. It becomes, like, a family affair.

GUTFELD: And we have inmates. Lots of inmates that watch in prison.

GUILFOYLE: I want Bolling to eat more cake.

BOLLING: We all...

GUTFELD: This is a problem.

PERINO: You know, you only need this space to do Pilates.

BOLLING: Could you pull the bus over and, like, run a little? Do a couple...

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes. You have to catch up, because we're going to leave you.

PERINO: We won't leave you, don't worry. See how fast you can do it.

WILLIAMS: But I can't believe this floor. Look at this. That's unbelievable.

PERINO: What? You mean the floor that you just put cake all over?

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes, yes.

GUILFOYLE: It's very fancy.

WILLIAMS: It's very fancy. So we'll have to see how it rides.

GUTFELD: You know we have eight cases of wine.

PERINO: Don't say that.

GUILFOYLE: Why are you telling that?

GUTFELD: Why wouldn't I?

PERINO: We don't actually.

GUTFELD: No, we don't.

PERINO: We're going to -- I'm going to bring some detox tea.

WILLIAMS: Lots of Red Bull.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, no.

BOLLING: You know what goes well with Red Bull?

GUTFELD: What?

BOLLING: Vodka.

GUILFOYLE: By the way, notice there aren't any disgusting kale chips on here. Thank God.

PERINO: No, I'll bring you some.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, terrible!

PERINO: Detox tea. No, actually, we have great snacks. And we shouldn't end this without thanking our producers. They've put up with a lot from five crazy talents.

WILLIAMS: For five years.

GUTFELD: And vice versa.

GUILFOYLE: Especially from Greg.

GUTFELD: What are you talking about?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Thank you to "The Five" producers.

BOLLING: A lot of planning. A lot of production, a lot of planning. Porter, Susan, everyone on "The Five."

PERINO: Amanda.

GUILFOYLE: Suzanne, Megan, John (ph).

PERINO: How about our great crew, the lighting, sound, camera?

GUILFOYLE: Allison (ph), Jack.

BOLLING: You know what everyone asks? Who's driving the bus? Everyone wants to know who's driving the bus? Now, we have a bus driver. Should we have, like, special bus drivers that can drive a mile?

Maybe.

WILLIAMS: That would be good.

GUTFELD: I don't think insurance would cover that.

GUILFOYLE: I think it would be cool, get like Hannity on to drive the bus.

BOLLING: Yes, drive around.

GUILFOYLE: What else?

GUTFELD: I don't think the bus -- I don't think the people that own this bus would allow anybody but their bus driver to drive it.

GUILFOYLE: All of a sudden, you follow the rules.

BOLLING: John Kasich in Ohio could drive -- he can declare himself bus driver for a mile, right?

WILLIAMS: Yes, why not? Yes.

I think Speed Racer.

PERINO: Is he like the highways, selling the highways?

BOLLING: Yes. For a mile.

WILLIAMS: You know that guy -- you know that guy, Speed Racer. He's going to take the wheel, buddy.

GUILFOYLE: Eric, take us out.

PERINO: They're telling us that we have to go.

GUTFELD: You ready to go?

WILLIAMS: We've got to go.

BOLLING: That's it for us. Thank you so much for joining us.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you, everybody.

BOLLING: Happy fifth anniversary. Make sure you tune in Friday when we head off on our road trip. We'll see you tomorrow. "Special Report" got to follow this one.

GUILFOYLE: And they don't have a bus.

WILLIAMS: I don't know how they're going to do it.

GUILFOYLE: Woo!

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