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Loretta Lynch defends meeting with Bill Clinton

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," June 30, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld, it is 5:00 in New York City and this is "The Five."

Lots of questions are being raised about a conflict of interest after Attorney General Loretta Lynch met privately with Bill Clinton for about half an hour aboard a parked private plane in Phoenix on Monday. You may recall Lynch's agency is handling Hillary's e-mail investigation, but don't worry, the AG claims there was nothing inappropriate of their conversation.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LORETTA LYNCH, ATTORNEY GENERAL: Well, I did see the president at the Phoenix airport the other night as I was landing and he's headed out. He did come over and say hello and speak to my husband and myself and talk about his grandchildren and his travels and things like that. So that was the extent of that. And no discussions were held on any cases or anything like that. And he didn't raise anything about that e-mail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don't believe that gives off the appearance of any impropriety while your agency is investigating his wife?

LYNCH: My agency is involved in a manner of looking at State Department policies and issues that's being handled by a career investigators and career agents who always follow the facts and the law.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Even democrats can't spin this one. Former Obama Adviser David Axelrod said, "While he takes aim at their word that the conversation didn't touch on the probe, it was foolish to create such optics." The democratic Senator Chris Coons also issued this warning.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRIS COONS, SENATOR FROM DELAWARE: I don't think it sends the right signal. I think she should have steered clear even of a brief, casual, social meeting with the former president.

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BOLLING: And Donald Trump, of course, reacts to the stunning development tonight on "Hannity." And here's the preview.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, 2016 PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL GOP NOMINEE: When I first heard that yesterday afternoon, I actually thought they were joking. I thought the people that told me where, you know, I said no way. It's just no way that's going to happen. And it happened. And I am just -- I'm flabbergasted by it. I think it's amazing. I've never seen anything like that before.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right, KG. A lot of people are today are talking about whether or not Loretta Lynch should recuse herself. Did she create a conflict of interest?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yeah, and you know when I asked somebody I trust and admire her in terms of law and that is great of (inaudible). She said that she thinks it really is improper, because even if they said, she said the conversation was primarily about social and family, that's really not enough to exonerate. It's so important when you're the chief law enforcement, justice official in the country to not have any impropriety or even the appearance of it, especially when former President Bill Clinton is also an attorney, was AG in his say, and then now to do something like this is really way out of bounds. And, so perhaps the simple, ethical, most appropriate thing would be for her to recuse herself and let her number two handle it.

BOLLING: Juan -- don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the Obama administration. However, I'm trying to figure out. So in D.C. a lot of people bump into each other in certain situations. Are we to say that she shouldn't bump into a Clinton ever? I'm trying to figure out what --

GUILFOYLE: He went on her plane.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: No, you know, look. So what happened is he walked on to the plane.

BOLLING: OK, so what -- is there any better to be in a corner of the cocktail party any different?

WILLIAMS: Yeah. I don't see any different.

BOLLING: I don't know.

WILLIAMS: But he walked on to the plane. So he took the initiative. It wasn't if she took the initiative and he walks onto the plane. At that point, I guess she thought well, he's here and she -- according to the reports, she was surprised. He sat down and then began having a conversation as if she was a high ranking federal official that he hadn't met or talked to in some time, and so he was enjoying her company. But the optics do stink, I mean, there's no question about you want all your law enforcement officials to be above any thought, any suggestion that their intent is somehow compromised. I will say this; I don't think anybody that I bumped into has anything but the highest regard for Loretta Lynch. Nobody thinks Loretta Lynch is after this. And then on the other hand, boy, you see Trump jump at this and you think, what is going on here? He couldn't believe that someone bumped into somebody. The --it's the excessiveness of it. It's the half hour.

GUILFOYLE: You have democrats saying it, too. So if you ask the question, you can answer it.

WILLIAMS: That's I said it, I said.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

BOLLING: Yeah, and David Axelrod and Coons, as Kimberly pointed out.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: You're -- you've been very complimentary of Loretta Lynch. Is -- did she does something wrong here?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I hope that's not an insult to her name.

BOLLING: No, no, no.

PERINO: I think that she got a lot of integrity.

BOLLING: Right.

WILLIAMS: Right.

PERINO: Remember like when she got confirmed, there was like, this actually a good choice. And I don't think she's actually done anything inappropriate here. I think Bill Clinton is the one who did something exceedingly inappropriate. If I were the White House, I would really be mad at him.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Once again, he puts him in the position. Now, if the president -- as a former president of the United States, I don't care who it is, says oh hey, I like to just pop in and say hi. I mean it is -- if you're a polite person and it is -- how do you say no to that? I mean maybe she should.

GUILFOYLE: No, you have to.

PERINO: Maybe she should say like, I'm not allowed to see you, which may have sent the right signal. Maybe that was the right thing to do. I am just not ready to indict her until there's a reason into that there's like some reason to --

GUILFOYLE: Point is she has to say .

PERINO: . say that she has something wrong.

GUILFOYLE: . it's not the proper -- given the investigation, you know, send my regards to the former president, but nevertheless, this is inappropriate.

PERINO: Maybe she should have. I didn't mean --

GUILFOYLE: That's the rules.

PERINO: I think that Bill Clinton is more to blame than she is.

BOLLING: Greg, should Bill -- what happens when Bill Clinton starts boarding her plane? What do you do?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I don't know. You know everybody know that, everybody knows that Bill enjoys airports. He loves a good lay over. So I think that the secret meeting -- if you're going to have a secret meeting, you don't have it at an airport. I mean, what's the odd of, oh, by running into people. That's the problem. Have it at Chuck E. Cheese's, bring a kid. That's your cover. You rent a child and you have the meeting there, nobody knows. This is a really big deal about something small, but it's a screw-up. It's like, you know, it just makes -- why do these? That's it. It's probably nothing.

GUILFOYLE: Well, no one thinks that's a plan to me. But he then when he heard she was there, then he went.

GUTFELD: It's like, it's like --

GUILFOYLE: He knows better too.

GUTFELD: You know if you see Charlie Sheen accepting a package in a parking lot.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: You know, you know it's not flowers --

BOLLING: All right. There you go. Let's move on to this one. The White House is weighing in on the Lynch-Clinton meeting of who are claiming the DOJ's investigation into Hillary's e-mails will still be fair.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Both the president and the attorney general understand how important it is for the Department of Justice to conduct investigations that are free of political interference. She was asked about it directly, and she answered the question directly about what exactly transpired. I haven't spoken to the, to the president about this particular matter, but again, the president's expectations, that this is an investigation that be guided by the facts, not by politics.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: And Dana, what else they are going to say?

PERINO: Well, I think - here's the thing, if you go back event to Loretta Lynch's comments or even to the fact that Bill Clinton was like, oh, hey, I'm just going to go say hi to Loretta Lynch. I think it's because the democrats have the mentality of that this is not a big deal to them. They didn't think anything there's a problem. They think it's like this is Benghazi 2.0 for them. Like, of course, yes, they're going to have to do an investigation and at the end of the day, of course she's going to be just fine. So it doesn't have even crossed their minds that they're just going through the motions like, oh yes, of course, nobody from the White House is going to weigh in. Nobody is going to interfere, there's -- it's all going to be totally fine. Now that might be true, but I what -- I think we really need to get to a conclusion. I mean the FBI and the Justice Department, at some point, I think have got to say in July, let's get -- let's make a decision here, because the voters deserve to know.

BOLLING: And one of the issues, Greg, Kimberly, Juan, if weigh in is that they -- there are so many instances of impropriety and allegations of corruption with the Clintons. This is just another one.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: Just another day.

BOLLING: This is -- and in Clinton land.

GUTFELD: Even if it's nothing wrong, I mean they're straight as the silly straw. So you always assume something weird is going, going on. And they were talking about their grandkids. That's what I always do. What I, you know, at the airport, I just board a plane .

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: . and talk about the grandkids.

BOLLING: You know I got corrected today and said the same thing, they're like .

GUILFOYLE: It's plane hopping.

BOLLING: . it's grandchild.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Yeah. Isn't it? Is there -- does she have more than one?

PERINO: Is Loretta Lynch?

WILLIAMS: No.

BOLLING: No, the Clintons.

PERINO: I have no idea.

WILLIAMS: No, the Clintons have two.

BOLLING: Oh, they do?

PERINO: Yeah, they did just have the second one.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: Here's the --

GUILFOYLE: He just -- just have the baby.

WILLIAMS: Here's the problem with this. I think, as we were saying earlier, the optics look bad from anybody's perspective. But the thing about it is, this comes back to oh, it's Benghazi. Oh, it's the (inaudible). There's always this inclination of how rent up this vast conspiracy. The Clintons are such evil people and they're up to no good and they manage to somehow like puppet masters, construct this thing. So Bill Clinton was on the tarmac, forced his way on to Loretta Lynch's airplane and then, he told her, don't you indict Hillary. I mean, come on. At some point --

PERINO: Well, it does look like intimidation.

GUILFOYLE: Well, right.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Why is he going up there? Do we have -- blame the video, maybe there was some movie.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, because --

WILLIAMS: There you go. See that was --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, it makes it uncomfortable, right?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Yes.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: It makes it uncomfortable because she's investigating his wife for very serious crimes and, you know, the allegations that are forward regarding the e-mail server. So, you know, it is really improper. I mean I've had investigations that I'm the prosecutor in a case, I cannot talk to the other side, just like you can't talk to jurors in a case that are evaluating if they in a restroom, you cannot speak to them, and the judge says, "Don't think the prosecutor is being rude, she cannot talk to you." So the male jurors and people want to come up and friendly.

BOLLING: Can't do it.

GUILFOYLE: Can't do it.

GUTFELD: So --

BOLLING: When -- go ahead.

GUTFELD: No, go ahead.

BOLLING: OK. When asked to describe Hillary Clinton, a new Fox News poll says 58 percent of voters found her to be, quote, "corrupt." And you wonder, and you wonder Juan, why people think stuff is going on when Bill Clinton boards Loretta Lynch's plane.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. I -- well, I mean, I know that if you were going to go with the Clinton campaign's response, it would be, well, she knows she's been in the public life for 25 plus years and she's been subject to so many allegations and conspiracy theories that we're talking about earlier. So that's what they would say, but I think she is right. Hillary Clinton, when she says she knows she's got work to do on this front. This is not just one poll. It's not just the Fox News poll; this is everybody's poll .

PERINO: Yeah.

BOLLING: Right, right.

WILLIAMS: . that it comes up that trustworthiness is a weakness for Hillary Clinton. So, even if it's because she's been assailed by her critics for so long, the fact is, it's still a problem and she's got it somehow overcome it. I will say this, one thing, which is the same Fox poll says, when compared to Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton is more intelligent, more experienced, more sensible, and more -- and this is, you know, less obnoxious and less hot headed, so all of that is also true.

BOLLING: Yeah, but you add the corruption one, it's a fairly big one --

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: That's why you go with the name crooked.

WILLIAMS: I highlighted it because, as you know .

GUILFOYLE: Crooked Hillary.

WILLIAMS: . Eric is going to really notice this one.

BOLLING: All right.

PERINO: You know the one at poll --

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: The one on this poll that surprised me that they both probably need to really think about is the one that cares about people like you.

WILLIAMS: Right.

PERINO: That was both 45 percent for her, 35 percent for him. I think that's a huge of a difference, but it's really low for both of them.

BOLLING: All right. Quick thoughts (inaudible)?

GUTFELD: Yeah, do you know why she's seen as less trustworthy, it's because she's less trustworthy.

BOLLING: Very good, that's --

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: You know, really?

BOLLING: A hundred percent poll.

PERINO: Wow.

BOLLING: I agree with that.

PERINO: I've got to think about that one.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. I mean, you should end it there --

BOLLING: We ended it right there.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: Coming up, will the mainstream media ever wake up? Some in the press are whining about terrorism, upstaging the president's climate change agenda. Those stunning remarks when we return.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: Yesterday on "CBS This Morning," a correspondent noted how the recent terror attacks were diverting attention for more urgent matters, like our special friend Mr. Climate Change.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARGARET BRENNAN, CBS CORRESPONDENT: President Obama, though, this is the third time in the past year that a major summit is being overshadowed by terrorism. Here in Ottawa, Mexico, Canada, and the President Obama representing the U.S., were all supposed to sit down and tackle tough climate change issues including a pledge to switch to renewable, clean energy and tackle immigration issues.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Poor thing. Instead of discussing how to devote billions of dollars, countless hours of time to slightly adjust global temperatures with little or no evidence that it's realistic, possible, or even beneficial, we must tackle an evil that's causing mass death now. Oh, the pain. Having to deal with such an inconvenience, especially when you've already printed up that elegant climate agenda on thick organic stock, hired a mine troop to act out the horrors of carbon emissions and Leo DiCaprio had just written some haiku on a nude model's back.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.

GUTFELD: Terror always rains on their parade. That murderous guest, always uninvited, refuses to leave until you're dead. What a pain. Because it's not like we ever discuss climate change or have global summits where self-obsessed celebrities and blowhards show up to out-panic each other.

Imagine if we had the opposite: That we have a leader who saw terror as the chief threat, galvanizing the globe to fight these ghouls. Imagine if celebrities understood that they would be the first to die under a caliphate. Imagine if they understood "terror change," how the threat expands based on advancing technology. Imagine if they could understand true evil. Of course, they just blame it on SUVs, guns, and Christians.

KG --

GUILFOYLE: And Republicans.

GUTFELD: And Republicans, and Kimberly Guilfoyle. They'll blame you.

GUILFOYLE: Please do.

GUTFELD: And you'll deserve it. Where are the terror summits?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: I mean if they, they have them once every couple of years --

GUILFOYLE: They're in Raqqah.

GUTFELD: Yeah. They're -- very good point.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, exactly. So this is the problem, there is such a disconnect in terms of what is an urgent, you know pressing problems. And despite the horrific evidence that is constantly blowing up in our place, like in Turkey -- yes, like innocent lives gun down, 49 of them in Orlando, or San Bernardino, or Brussels, or at the Bataclan, all of these things are just very powerful reminders, hey, change your focus. It shouldn't be, oh, it's too bad, what a bummer that the president has been interrupted again by terror when he should be focusing on, you know cumulous clouds. That's the problem, because they don't want to. It's not where their mind-set is or their ideology tends to shift them, it's what they don't want to deal with. They don't want to deal with the threat of terror. They don't want to call it radical Islamic terrorism. They've been very clear on the record on that.

GUTFELD: Juan, I had this secret fantasy that these climate meetings are a front for secret anti-terror meetings. That there are actually --

PERINO: It is.

GUTFELD: Yeah, that's why I --

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: That's why I call it a fantasy.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: I think that is your fantasy.

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: But the fact is that they do have summits and meetings about terrorism. It's just the case that they had this one, and they scheduled a bunch of them, especially now --

GUTFELD: The week after terror attack.

WILLIAMS: Well, that is -- believe me, they're not involved in planning the terror.

GUTFELD: I know, but that just shows you the prevalence of terror attacks. They're increasing --

PERINO: Right.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Maybe stop the climate meetings.

WILLIAMS: No, stop the climate --

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: In other word, stop all human activity and focus on terror.

BOLLING: Can I --

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Well, when your house is on fire, you can do it.

BOLLING: Here's why they'll never happen, because liberals honestly believe that climate change is the root cause of terror.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: They've said it. They've bought into this that with --

GUILFOYLE: And no jobs.

BOLLING: Yeah, with the climate change or the temperatures going up, there are fewer grains and foods that are --

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. Wait a minute --

BOLLING: That is produced globally.

WILLIAMS: I love --

BOLLING: And people are poor.

WILLIAMS: I love being (inaudible). I love it when you mock, but good. I said making.

BOLLING: This is not mocking. This is accurate.

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. You think that somebody on the liberal or democratic or Obama thinks that the root cause is .

BOLLING: You think there's --

WILLIAMS: . the Islamic terror?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Bernie Sanders said it.

PERINO: Absolutely.

WILLIAMS: Oh no.

GUILFOYLE: They have said it.

BOLLING: President Obama has said it.

WILLIAMS: No.

BOLLING: They've said -- Bernie said that.

WILLIAMS: I don't know what --

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: I know what they said. I've heard what they said. What they've said is .

BOLLING: What they say they don't mean it.

WILLIAMS: . that in fact, something like climate change could exacerbate because it creates more poverty .

BOLLING: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: . more hunger.

BOLLING: Yes, so you're saying is --

WILLIAMS: And will lead to people who are desperate acting in desperate measure.

BOLLING: Right.

GUILFOYLE: And they have no jobs.

BOLLING: Therefore the root --

WILLIAMS: But that's not the root to ISIS.

BOLLING: The root cause of terror --

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: That's not the root of al-Qaeda.

BOLLING: Well, I'm just -- listen, I don't believe in that ideology. It's you lefties that --

WILLIAMS: Oh, I'm telling you -- that's not true.

GUTFELD: You know what the thing is, Dana --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: The steps are very simple. We know we never want that climate changes. Do humans have an effect? Possibly, possibly not. If so, how? It's a logic -- and then, how much? And what can we do about it? Do we adapt? Can we fix it? Should we panic? They usually go from one, climate changes to let's panic. And that's why terror, our concern for terror is ignored.

PERINO: Right. So the triage is like backwards.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: So if you had somebody else in the White House, then you would have maybe, terror at the top, and climate -- somewhere not in, I mean not the bottom but .

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: . somewhere in there. There is a NATO summit next week. And in terms of rallying the world like this would be -- this would be the time to do it. That's what the thing happen -- not just for President Obama, it happens all over the place in terms of all meetings. It doesn't matter what you're talking about. I remember the September -- I'm sorry, July 11th attacks in London, remember those -- the attacks on a tube? That happened during G8 summit when all the leaders where in Scotland. And so, they had to talk about terror like that is what our leaders, I think, need to focus on first. I understand talking about climate change, fine, but it shouldn't be the top priority.

GUILFOYLE: Right. You got to prioritize. It's like, OK, let's go from the top, what is the most pressing concern. And by the way, if you can't get your national security, you know, public safety together, you're going to have problems. Then you're going to have problems with boarders, you're going to have problems with the economy and jobs. It all goes together. One piece doesn't operate in isolation from the other. And then if you have world leaders getting together, just talk about things. You'll have things like a long comments getting edited out, because they don't him to talk about --

PERINO: And --

GUILFOYLE: Radical (inaudible).

PERINO: And you were reporting earlier today, Kimberly, on Gretchen Carlson show you're filling in about the terrorists that they -- in Turkey, where a Russian and Uzbek and Kyrgyz -- I think I'm not saying --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

PERINO: But it is true, Juan, that many people on the left, and not just on the left, unlike the foreign policy middle, you know the moderate say that climate change is fueling terrorism. But those three areas are not really climate change suffers, if there isn't the (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: No, no. The point I look, it's a legitimate point to say, you know what, we need to pay attention there. I don't think anybody contest this, anybody with any sense.

PERINO: I don't know.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: I don't.

PERINO: I mean a lot of it.

WILLIAMS: But I do think that also, it's not possible to say oh, forget, you know, the fact that the --

GUTFELD: No, what --

WILLIAMS: We have rising oceans that might, you know, take away cities and drive people into hunger.

GUTFELD: Yes, but --

WILLIAMS: That's a larger threat in the long-term.

GUTFELD: That's why I went through the steps from climate changing to --

WILLIAMS: By the way, I saw you were accurate. Yeah, that was a very fair description.

GUTFELD: All right. Up next --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RON KUBY, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Maybe we should start to think of ways of dealing this, with this that does not directly involve killing more people .

MEGYN KELLY, THE KELLY FILE" HOST: OK.

KUBY: . or having more wars. Crazy liberal idea .

KELLY: OK.

KUBY: . I know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Hmm. That's a clip from Megyn Kelly's upcoming special: "Terror in America" where terror victims, military members and Muslim activists debate the war on terror. Megyn joins us to preview it, when we return.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROSA LEONETTI, BROTHER-IN-LAW KILLED IN 9/11 ATTACKS: When the Tea Party was up and coming, they had no problem throwing, you know, throwing the Tea Party under the bus and calling them racist. Why can't they call it what it is? How do you fight something that you can't call out? You need to call it out. You see -- you need to stop thinking about this Kumbaya, and your bumper sticker is bleeding all over the place.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: That was a preview from "The Kelly File" special terror in -- special, it is called, "Terror in America." It is airing tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. And Megyn features a powerful panel of victims from the Orlando and Fort Hood attacks in addition to first responders and members of the Muslim community, to discuss how the country should best combat terrorism. And as you can imagine, it got heated.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KUBY: After all the wars that we have fought, after all the Iraqis that have been killed in the name of the United States of America since 1991, all the blood that's been spilled -- no doubt.

(CROSSTALK)

KUBY: No doubt -- heroically, we are still no safer. So maybe we should start to think of ways of dealing this, with this that does not directly involve killing more people .

KELLY: OK.

KUBY: . or having more wars. Crazy liberal idea .

KELLY: OK.

KUBY: . I know.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: I have to let a veteran respond to that and then we are going to go.

CARL HIGBIE, FORMER NAVY SEAL: The problem is ISIS sprung up when we stopped killing bad guys in the area. So you can go love them and you stick your head in the sand, and when they come back and kill your family, I'll be there to back you up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Megyn Kelly joins us here in our studio with more on her special. This is, I think the conversation America really needs to have is, OK, we have a huge problem and a threat. How can we work together? And then you ended up doing this last night. How do you think it went?

KELLY: It was so -- I'll just start with the tease, which is we're not going to have much more of it tonight, a preview, and then we have a full hour tomorrow night. But it was the most extraordinary group I've hosted in recent memory. We had terror victims, terrorist killers, veterans, liberals, imams, Muslim scholars; all there on the same panel is actually here in your studio, and what an extraordinary exchange we had with them. The woman who shot Major Nadal Hasan in the Fort Hood terrorist attack was there. I've never seen her before. She -- there you see patients in ER -- there is the woman, Kimberly, in the red.

GUTFELD: She paralyzed him.

KELLY: Yes. She's the one who took him down.

GUTFELD: Well done.

KELLY: Sergeant Alonzo Lunsford sitting to her left, he was shot eight times by this guy, including ones in the head. And he's out here talking about his view of the world, Rosa here, a lot of -- relative on 9/11, her brother-in-law. And so you have people who are directly affected by terror.

PERINO: Including --

KELLY: Including being shot by a terrorist.

PERINO: Including --

KELLY: Face to face.

PERINO: Just from the Orlando attack.

KELLY: Two of the young women in the front row had just been shot in Orlando and they're still recovering from their wounds. And so it was extraordinary moment to have somebody like Ron Kuby, you know, former Air America host, liberal guy talking about how we need to handle the terrorists, while the actual victims of terrorists are sitting there listening. And I asked one of the Fort Hood -- I don't even want to use the word "Victims" because to me these guys -- they weren't victims. They seemed empowered and they, to me, they're survivors. I asked them, what is that like for you, when we, we keep to these terrorist attacks that we had on domestic soil, seven of them, just during the Obama administration.

When you, when we just run the B-roll, as we called in TV of Fort Hood. What is that like for you having been shot, you know, seven or eight times by this guy? And they're still walking around with it. Those wounds are still at the ready. And when Sergeant Lunsford talks about guns, and what his son said to him after he went down on his own military base as a result of being shot repeatedly, the entire room erupted in applause. And they see, they see it very differently than you might hear from "The new York Time" or some of the, you know, publications you don't have to live it.

BOLLING: Megyn, it says that you have some Muslim activists there, as well. How were they -- were they there?

KELLY: Yes.

BOLLING: How were they responding to all this?

KELLY: You know, I felt for those guys, because these -- obviously, we're not going to have...

GUTFELD: At least they came.

KELLY: They are not radical Muslims. We were not -- we were not reaching out to terrorists for "The Kelly File." These are -- these are peace- loving Muslims who feel like they've been painted with the racist brush, you know, like we've condemned them, too, as terrorists, even though they're not. And they're trying to bring a message of their own, which is it's not all Muslims. It isn't helpful to demonize all Muslims. That's actually not going to keep us safer. And there are strains of Islam that are trying to reform other strains of Islam that are extreme.

And, you know, my question to the ones bringing that message was how and when? And how are you going to get them to listen to you?

PERINO: Right.

KELLY: I don't know that we have adequate answers for that.

GUTFELD: Well, you know, the thing is, who is creating that problem? It happens when you don't differentiate between Islam and radical Islam or Islam and Islamism. That's the administration's fault.

KELLY: They wouldn't. They did not -- I mean, the imams that we had on and the Muslim scholars did not agree with that. In fact, one makes an -- makes an impassioned argument that this is about, you know, guns, and shooters.

And another woman made a strong argument for her that what we have, really, in this country is a problem with young men who become homicidal. You know, and pointing to -- I don't like to say the names of the shooters, but the Newtown shooter and other shooters and sort of saying -- grouping them all together, saying it's not the guy's Muslim extremism. It's the fact that he's yet another 20 something-year-old who went on a rampage.

GUILFOYLE: How do you they explain, like, the Bataclan, you know, in Paris, and how do they really explain, you know, Orlando? How do they explain Istanbul?

KELLY: They say that has nothing to do with Islam. I mean, they -- they say that's just a corruption and a perversion.

WILLIAMS: You know what I noticed was the -- on your show there, and this is something I like about your show in general, that oftentimes you get the heat, you get the emotion, Megyn, because you're just great with that. But also you then move it to another level.

I noticed you said you had scholars. And so people who are looking for solutions. And I wonder if you could tell us, are they moving -- like that little bit we saw between Ron Kirby (ph) and, I believe, it was a veteran, saying...

KELLY: Carl Higbie.

WILLIAMS: ... "I'll have your family after you give them Kumbayas." I just think there are lots of Americans who say, "Well, OK. You know, that's flashy." But did those guys ever come to some resolution, some common ground?

KELLY: I mean, I don't know that they're any more resolved than the country is resolved on this issue. But I -- can I tell you something about Higbie? So Carl Higbie is a Navy SEAL. He's a big Trump supporter. He says incendiary things. Right? He does. He came on "The Kelly File" and said he believes the Muslim ban should be even bigger than Trump has proposed. He believes that the mayor of London should not be allowed to come to the United States. So he's out there on these issues.

But when I heard him on this panel, I saw him in a new light. He' stalking -- the rest of us are out there as a theoretical exercise other than the actual terror victims. He's like, "When I looked them and shot them in the face in Iraq, they weren't saying anything peaceful, right?"

It's just -- it's just a reminder that -- especially our veterans see this much differently.

PERINO: True.

KELLY: They had to go fight it. And the two terror victims in the front, who are not political women, the ones who were shot in Orlando. These are not -- they're not. Who were saying, "I am not anti-Muslim. But this is how I view the issue."

And you just hear these people, and all you want to do is shut the hell up and let them talk.

PERINO: Do they think it's about guns, the Orlando victims?

KELLY: I don't think there is that sense.

GUILFOYLE: Something about patience and...

KELLY: I think all of them agree, including the -- Kimberly, who shot Nidal Hasan, who obviously is not anti-gun, right? She's the one who used a gun to shoot the terrorist and stop him. But she agreed and all of them agreed there's no way this guy in Orlando should have had that gun.

GUTFELD: Right.

BOLLING: One of the things I think a lot of people who are watching a lot of us would say is, of the imams there...

KELLY: Yes.

BOLLING: ... were they -- did they commit to say that "We're moderate, and we will turn in people who we know are radical"? I think the big issue is whether moderate Muslims may not agree with the radical faction, but will they actually go so far as turn them in?

GUILFOYLE: Proactive.

KELLY: Well, some were advocating for that, that the teachings at the mosque need to enforce, you know, what they were saying is the true message of Islam.

But others were denying that Islam really has any message that is hateful. I mean, there was one man who claimed that there's nothing in Islam that calls for the condemnation or the killing of homosexuals. And that is not true. I mean, there are many very well-respected Muslim scholars who believe you should murder homosexuals, and entire countries put homosexuals to death. I mean, you can get the death penalty in Saudi Arabia for being gay. So there were some who went out on a limb that was not all together truthful. And then there were others there to fact-check that.

PERINO: That sounds fascinating. Thanks for coming by our show.

KELLY: Love more (UNINTELLIGIBLE) tonight.

PERINO: Yes, we love that. Megyn, thank you.

Be sure to watch "The Kelly File" special "Terror in America" tomorrow at 9 p.m. Eastern.

Up next, President Obama yet again going on an anti-Trump rant. Why he's taking issue with those who call Trump a populist. Details when "The Five" returns.

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WILLIAMS: Donald Trump wasn't at the summit of North American leaders in Canada yesterday, but his presence, that was there. President Obama took another whack at Trump, this time slamming his populist credentials, painting the billionaire businessman as part of a global elite. Here's part of the president's nearly six-minute rant.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm not prepared to concede the notion that some of the rhetoric that's been popping up is populist.

Somebody else who has never shown any regard for workers, has never fought on behalf of social justice issues or making sure that poor kids are getting a decent shot at life or have health care, they don't suddenly become a populist. That's nativism. Or xenophobia. Or worse. Or it's just cynicism.

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WILLIAMS: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau also weighed in on the U.S. presidential election.

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JUSTIN TRUDEAU, CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER: It's essential that we understand that, regardless of electoral rhetoric, Canada, the United States, and Mexico will continue to have tremendously close relationships, economically, culturally, socially, familially [SIC], historically, and towards the future. I look forward to working with whomever the American people choose to elect as their president in November.

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WILLIAMS: Greg, you're a great rhetorician yourself, so did you think -- did you think that...

GUILFOYLE: Self-proclaimed.

WILLIAMS: ... in fact, the president made a legitimate point?

GUTFELD: There's a lot -- there's a lot of problems with the word "populism." It's thrown around, and a lot of people don't know what it means. But one thing that Obama, is not a populist. He's an elitist who traffics in identity politics. And he only cares about you if you fit into a certain box, into a criteria that he can cobble together to win elections.

It's interesting to see the contrast between those three and Trump, because those there are again talking about climate, and you've got another person, Trump, saying, "No, terror." So it's an interesting contrast, and in my mind, helps Trump more than it helps Obama.

WILLIAMS: Well, Dana, you just heard the president say, really, it's not populism. He said it was more sort of xenophobia, a nativist type of attitude.

PERINO: I'm surprised he didn't throw in that word "existential" that he likes, as well.

I mean, one of the things that Donald Trump has done so well, remember in the exit polls? People wanted -- if they wanted somebody who would tell it like it is, it was Donald Trump. He knows how to speak to people in a way that they are ready to hear.

In the eighth year of a presidency, no matter who it is, the American people are tired of hearing from that person. And I think President Obama's approval ratings are up to 56 percent, so that's good.

One of the things he says is he complains that Donald Trump talks about classifying people "us versus them."

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: But that is what President Obama has done for years. That's been the frustration, the class warfare.

GUTFELD: Clinging to guns and religion.

PERINO: Guns and religion, Republicans-Democrats. I mean, it's always this -- always dividing and not uniting.

I like this meeting. I think it's an important one that they have every year. I think it's a good thing that the continent, North America gets together.

WILLIAMS: The three amigos, they call it.

GUTFELD: Racist.

PERINO: Yes. Did you see the -- did you see the way they tried to do the three-way hand shake? Like, it doesn't work. Check it out online.

GUTFELD: Hey, that's a "One More Thing."

WILLIAMS: So Eric, the idea, according to Obama, is somebody who never stood up for workers, this billionaire, is now saying he's a populist. What are you thinking?

BOLLING: What struck me first was that -- first that President Obama spent six minutes talking about Donald Trump. I mean, that's -- that's -- you know who's in his head right now. But then he said "someone else." Just say Trump. Just say it. Why can't you just go ahead and say it? He said, "Someone else talks a blah, blah..."

GUTFELD: He can't say radical Islam, either.

BOLLING: Exactly the point I was getting to. He has a problem naming things.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: Just name your enemy. Trump's his enemy.

GUILFOYLE: Cat got your tongue?

BOLLING: OK. So he says Trump is all about populism, xenophobia and nativism. He's not.

WILLIAMS: And cynicism.

BOLLING: And cynicism, existential threats. But he's a -- Trump is about nationalism. That's what it really -- it's defined as nationalism. When you say, "I'm going to build a wall on the southern border of our country, and by the way, stop some immigration from Muslim countries temporarily," that's a nationalistic, nationalism view of the world, not necessarily populism or xenophobia. He's worried about this country.

And guess what happened last week in Europe?

GUILFOYLE: Brexit.

BOLLING: Brexit. The British said, "We're about nationalism, too. So we're going to pull away from the E.U."

It's spreading.

GUILFOYLE: Parallels.

WILLIAMS: So what's interesting, so here you hear some people saying, in fact, Obama is the elitist, not Trump. What do you say, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Well, I think he's doing a good job of making that case for himself. I mean, that's what it comes off.

When I see that, I feel like President Obama is silent screaming inside. He's, like, practically ready to cry he wants to run against Donald Trump so badly. He's the one to go up against him. And he can't even -- he can't say his name, but he's constantly taking digs. I mean, it wasn't a press conference about what it was supposed to be about; it was a bash Donald Trump.

And I think it only helps Donald Trump, because you have President Obama not acting presidential. And then now let me just segue to this, he's going to go on the campaign trail with Hillary Clinton...

WILLIAMS: I was just going to say, you're going to get your wish.

GUILFOYLE: Well, here's the thing. He's going to go on the campaign trail with Hillary, because she desperately needs help.

And by the way, that tells you, too, that President Obama, a sitting president, would not be campaigning with someone that was going to be indicted by his attorney general, Loretta Lynch. Plane visit or not.

WILLIAMS: Well, I don't know. I think, as you were saying, though, they don't want to let Trump, you know, go lightly. They're seriously concerned about Donald Trump.

Directly ahead, can you guess what is America's favorite fast food restaurant? I bet you're thinking about this. Kimberly -- Kimberly has been doing some investigating. Firsthand investigating. Wait, first-bite investigating. To revealing the tasty answer. You're going to find out in "Kimberly's Food Court" when we come right back. Don't miss it.

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GUILFOYLE: What a good song, right? Remember that? Welcome back. And now a special edition of "Kimberly's Food Court."

Def Leppard.

All right. When it comes to America's favorite fast goods, can you guess which tops the list? Well, the results of a delicious brand-new study are in. and -- oh, yes, feel yourself -- Dana Perino, Chick-Fil-A is the No. 1 fast food restaurant in the country for customer satisfaction, and this is according to an American customer satisfaction report.

Other fan favorites include Papa John's, Little Caesar's and Panera.

GUTFELD: Panera?

GUILFOYLE: ... to name a few.

PERINO: That's not even fast.

GUTFELD: I know.

GUILFOYLE: All right. We're going to go around the table of intelligence and share our fast-food favorites. Greg, you've eaten all of yours, practically, already.

GUTFELD: Obviously, I picked the greatest of all time, which is White Castle. They are fantastic.

GUILFOYLE: Are those castle mini burgers.

GUTFELD: I have a theory on fast food. They don't call it fast food because it's fast to prepare or fast to eat. It's about how quickly it goes you through you.

GUILFOYLE: Eww!

GUTFELD: No, no, no. Fast food -- fast food knows the carpool lane in your intestines.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: It always arrives first.

BOLLING: HOV.

GUTFELD: It knows the HOV lane in your gut.

GUILFOYLE: High occupancy in you.

GUTFELD: Call me, White Castle.

GUILFOYLE: Did you chose those little mini burgers, just like you?

GUTFELD: Look at them in my hand? It's normal.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. I'm so happy for you, you found a mate.

OK.

PERINO: Well, mine are almost gone, too, because I just introduced Greg to Chick-Fil-A chicken nuggets that are fantastic.

GUILFOYLE: He's eating those, too.

PERINO: I can see why Chick-Fil-A is No. 1 in America. Despite all the abuse they have taken from the left.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, are you -- they're your No. 1.

PERINO: They're my No. 1. That's why I got them.

GUILFOYLE: Right. I didn't know if you were just playing along.

PERINO: Really, this is a once a year thing for me. I'm enjoying this very much.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

BOLLING: There's a line down the block on every...

PERINO: You can't get in there.

BOLLING: ... noon, every like, 11 to 2 p.m., you can't get in. Down the block at Chick-Fil-A. I think it's one or two in Manhattan.

Subway.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling, you can't pick Magic Juice as your favorite fast food.

BOLLING: Subway! No, it's not my favorite.

GUILFOYLE: Is that turkey?

BOLLING: That's turkey, lettuce, tomato, and a little vinegar and oil.

GUILFOYLE: That's it?

BOLLING: No cheese.

PERINO: No salt and pepper?

BOLLING: No salt and pepper. And sometimes a little mustard, maybe.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Just wanted to check on that.

I think it is pretty fast. Have you seen -- this is to the control room. They make that pretty fast.

GUTFELD: See how fast they got rid of Jared.

WILLIAMS: The advantage of subway...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, please. Inappropriate.

WILLIAMS: The advantage of Subway is it's healthy food. It's great food.

BOLLING: How is subway not fast food?

GUILFOYLE: Well, that's the 12-inch, not the 6-inch. That's probably healthier.

WILLIAMS: Let me tell you, my favorite tends to be Popeye's, which I -- because I just love it. But I must say, I also like pizza and Chinese food. But I don't even know if you consider Chinese food fast food. But takeout Chinese food.

GUILFOYLE: You just picked fried chicken.

WILLIAMS: I love fried chicken.

GUILFOYLE: That's funny.

OK, perfect. I love fried chicken, too.

So what I picked, I first tried to pick pepperoni pizza, and Sean told me I couldn't do that, because it didn't count as fast food. But it's in our picture in the background, and it is fast if you get pizza by the slice, because they have it made.

PERINO: It's already made. You just walk right up.

GUILFOYLE: Right. So besides that, I like to go to McDonald's and go through the drive-through, because it's always a mystery what you'll get on the other end.

But I do like the Quarter Pounder with cheese, no onions. I do like the fries, although these are rather anemic looking. Something happened. I don't think they were cooked.

BOLLING: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: And I also do like the little chicken nuggets from McDonald's with the barbecue sauce.

PERINO: Do you remember when you got that call about feeding Ronan chicken nuggets when we were in the green room?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. What was up with that? I got in trouble for it.

PERINO: I know. It's so ridiculous.

BOLLING: Quickly, pizza. K.G., pizza, straight in, fold it in half or knife and fork?

PERINO: Straight in.

BOLLING: I like it straight in.

WILLIAMS: What kind of question was that, the guy from Chicago?

GUILFOYLE: We've got to go.

BOLLING: John Kasich.

WILLIAMS: I was going to say that.

GUILFOYLE: I didn't even get to take a bite. Come on. All right. This concludes another stellar edition of Academy Award "Kimberly's Food Court."

"One More Thing" is up next.

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BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing." I'm going to kick it off.

As we celebrate our 240th birthday July Fourth weekend, MLB is doing something very special this weekend on Sunday, July 3. There's going to be a game played at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, the military installation, the base. The Braves will play the Marlins to honor our military. And that is a great idea.

PERINO: So cool.

BOLLING: Yes. And this is a 12,500-person stadium, so it's going to be substantially smaller than a major league game, but it's going to count. It's going to count in the standings.

GUILFOYLE: Great idea.

WILLIAMS: If you build it, they will come.

GUILFOYLE: "Field of Dreams."

BOLLING: Absolutely, good call.

GUILFOYLE: "Field of Dreams."

BOLLING: All right, K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE: All right. In my field of dreams, it's ISIS getting destroyed badly, killing them all. And we did a little bit of that with combined forces of the U.S. military and Iraqi military. A Pentagon official confirming to FOX News that a series of airstrikes has, indeed, killed at least 250 ISIS fighters that were driving in a convoy outside of Fallujah. How does that feel?

BOLLING: Down, ISIS.

GUTFELD: Going down.

WILLIAMS: Go, Obama. OK. Here we go.

BOLLING: Of course.

WILLIAMS: So tomorrow...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, and I'm hosting, sorry, tomorrow.

WILLIAMS: ... a big day for me and for my wife, Delice because it's her anniversary, and it's mine, too. Here we are, 38 years ago outside Church of the Atonement in southeast Washington, D.C. There's my dad and mom with her mom and dad. And here we are, cutting the cake.

PERINO: Cute.

WILLIAMS: Right there at the reception on the Potomac River. And there she is throwing the bouquet. That little girl in the front is now a doctor in Geneva, Switzerland.

Delice, thanks for staying with me 38 years.

PERINO: Congratulations.

BOLLING: Congratulations, Juan.

GUILFOYLE: Congrats.

BOLLING: All right, Greg, what's your field of dreams?

GUTFELD: I have to go to the bathroom.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. I told you you ate too much.

GUTFELD: I've got to go to the bathroom.

GUILFOYLE: Please.

BOLLING: Fast forward.

GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: What was then, gosh?

GUTFELD: All right.

GRAPHIC: Greg's Etiquette Tips

GUTFELD: How do three men shake hands? Not like this. At least, you know, when you're going to shake, prepare ahead of time before you do this. This is very weird. I find it very problematic. Anyway.

BOLLING: Is this segment "I Hate These People"?

GUTFELD: No, I love...

PERINO: Etiquette.

GUTFELD: It's etiquette.

BOLLING: I kid.

GUTFELD: I have 45 seconds to make it to the bathroom.

GUILFOYLE: No.

PERINO: I've got 45 seconds to say happy birthday to my mom, Jan Perino.

GUILFOYLE: Happy birthday.

PERINO: She thanks your for your thoughts and prayers and your encouragement. She's recovering from double knee replacement and doing a great job. So happy birthday to you, Mom.

And I also have a Q and A with a great author, Kimberly Strassel. She's a columnist, Wall Street Journal. New book out called "The Intimidation Game: How the Left is Silencing Free Speech." A lot of interesting reporting in here, fresh reporting and a very troubling trend.

BOLLING: Quick thought? Final thoughts.

GUILFOYLE: Also, yes. Please catch me tomorrow. I'm in for Gretchen again at 2 p.m. Eastern. I have Dr. Ben Carson on "The Real Story."

BOLLING: That's great stuff. All right, everybody. We'll see you back here tomorrow. Thanks for watching. "Special Report" is going to follow all that good stuff. Imagine that.

GUTFELD: Don't follow me.

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