How do US intelligence agencies respond to wave of terror abroad?

On 'The Kelly File,' former CIA director James Woolsey on what measures need to be taken to protect the American homeland


This is a rush transcript from "The Kelly File," June 28, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MEGYN KELLY, HOST: Breaking tonight, we are just learning that additional officers are being deployed in airports across the New York and New Jersey region tonight in response to a devastating terror attack on the international airport in Istanbul, Turkey. An ally to the United States for over 60 years. It comes as we get chilling warnings that more attacks could be coming over the next eight days in particular.

Welcome to "The Kelly File" and a busy night, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly.  Earlier this year, ISIS told its supporters to attack during the holy month of Ramadan, which ends next week. One succeeded in Orlando, Florida, and now all indications point to another successful ISIS inspired or perhaps directed attack in Turkey. This time at one of the world's busiest airports. At this hour, we believe at least 36 people have died. Some reports suggest that number may rise to 50. Some 147 more are reported injured although they are still working on the official numbers. The attack believed to have been carried out by at least three men, perhaps four, perhaps more.

Various cameras captured the scene in real-time, and we must warn you the videos are disturbing. From one angle, you see people milling about in the hall. Then a massive explosion rattles the airport. You can see it happen in the back of your screen. We believe this was near an outdoor window, and this is where it all began. Reports suggest the attackers came to the door for screening. One man had a coat on and then showed his suicide vest and began firing while people ducked for cover.

Another video, attackers are spotted running around with guns near the area where travelers would typically go through security. Another video shows what appears to be one of the attackers coming around the corner. He then appears to get shot. His gun slides across the floor. He goes down. He rolls over but then he managed to set off his own explosive vest or belt or something else he was wearing, but not before innocent bystanders managed to get away, at least those within the screen.

A third video, which may show another angle of people running away from that last attacker -- we cannot tell you for sure. You see an explosion, and all-out chaos. Despite all this devastation, one thing is clear at this hour. There were some heroes on the scene today that prevented this attack from being much, much worse. Including reports of an officer who actually wrestled one of the bombers to the ground just before he detonated his explosive.

In moments, we will check in with CIA trained Intel operative Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaffer and what his sources are telling him about the global threat level tonight.

But we begin with Trace Gallagher, who has been tracking the breaking news as it comes in over the last five hours. Trace.

TRACE GALLAGHER, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Megyn, the attack was centered on the arrivals hall of the international terminal, the area where the taxicabs pick up the passengers. In fact, it appears the suicide bombers arrived at the airport in taxicabs. The Turkish government says there were three suicide bombers. The first was at the security entrance to the terminal where witnesses say the attacker opened fire and when police returned fire, the attacker blew himself up. You can see that happen in an area with a lot of passengers both inside and outside the terminal.

That's clearly where many of the casualties came from. The second explosion happened a little farther down the international terminal, and because we don't have surveillance video, it's hard to know exactly how crowded that area was at the time. But the explosions also blew out the security gates, helping one of the bombers get inside the terminal. As you said, you can see the man, the third bomber, running through the terminal carrying what authorities believe is a high-powered rifle. And it appears he is trying to shoot people as he runs. We showed you the video earlier.  There it is again.

But then police chase and shoot him. You can see the attacker fall and lose his weapon. Someone tries to go over it, possibly subdue him, but then realizes the person may have a bomb and then runs away. Seconds later, the bomber blows himself up. So far there has been no claim of responsibility, but the Turkish government says this has all the markings of an ISIS attack, and there is good reason to believe that.

So far this year, there have been seven bombings in Turkey that have claimed more than 120 lives. ISIS and Kurdish rebels have claimed responsibility for all of them. But only ISIS has used suicide bombers.  Two years ago tomorrow, ISIS declared its caliphate and declared Abu Bakr al Baghdadi as Caliph. And yesterday the U.S. State Department updated their warning to U.S. citizens traveling in Turkey. The potential fourth suspect you mentioned Megyn, has not yet been confirmed -- Megyn.

KELLY: Trace, thank you.

Joining us now by Skype, Reuters Istanbul correspondent Ayla Jean Yackley.  Ayla, thank you so much for being here with us. So, you were there in the airport at the time this took place. Is that correct?

AYLA JEAN YACKLEY, REUTERS ISTANBUL CORRESPONDENT: No. Actually, that's not correct. I am in Istanbul, but I wasn't at the airport. I spoke with witnesses who were there at the time.

KELLY: What did they tell you they saw? Did they see the actual attackers?

YACKLEY: Initially the first witnesses I spoke to actually arrived at the airport within minutes of the explosions and reported that police had immediately shut down the entrance to the airport and initially had shut down exits from the airport too. So there was quite a traffic jam. People were desperate to leave, and there were reports of people turning their cars around and driving over the pavements to get out, shouting "There's been a bomb. Escape."

KELLY: What is the scene in Istanbul now? I mean, they believe that there may be another attacker. We've seen this before. We saw it in Brussels in March, where it is not limited to just the attackers who perform the actual bombing.

YACKLEY: There were concerns about that initially. The Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan just spoke to reporters from the airport, from the scene, and he said that initial indications, the indications they have at present, show that they don't think that there's anyone on the loose. Three suicide attackers, the three suicide bombers, have been killed now. That's what he said, and they're not really focused on the possibility that there may be more or any on the loose.

KELLY: Ayla, thank you.

Joining us now tonight with more, Lieutenant Colonel Tony Shaffer, a CIA trained Intel operative and senior fellow at the London Center for Policy Research.


KELLY: Good to see you, Colonel. So, indeed they are here to believe its ISIS. Everyone talking about it tonight believes that this ISIS, and this is not the first we've seen from ISIS. Forget in the past couple of months, but in the past couple of days. They seem to be on a rampage of sorts. Your thoughts?

SHAFFER: Oh, they're trying to get in everything they can before the 5th of July, the end of the Ramadan. And let me be clear on this, Megyn, you're completely correct. I think all the profiles so far looks a lot like the Belgium attack. And more importantly, as stipulated the only other group doing the attacks really does not do suicide bombings. This was an economic target. This is much like the bombing of the Russian flight coming out of the Gaza.

Megyn, what they're trying to do is ruin the economies of these countries.  So, ISIS knows exactly how to do it. This is going to be a huge blow to the economy. And frankly, that's why you saw the attack done -- and now we're running the tape of it, so this is going to have the maximum effect of terrorizing those who had travel to that region.

KELLY: Uh-hm. Do you think -- I mean, of course there is no way of knowing. But do you think in watching this tonight, that this attack went off as planned, that this was the plan to blow up portions of the airport or to actually get onboard an aircraft and detonate some of these vests?

SHAFFER: I don't think they were trying to get to the aircraft. Much like our country, you have huge numbers of people in queues and non-secure areas like we saw in Belgium. And I think they were doing -- trying to do two things here. I think this is symbolic by the fact that the Israelis and Turkish just yesterday signed a sort of a peace accord. I think I'm not saying -- they just cobbled this together. There wasn't in the works for weeks, this was probably rehearsed at least twice. Probably, four or five separate recons. This was well thought.

But I think they were trying to get further in. Also one of the things they may have been trying to do by the fact they were armed, they may have been trying to want to corrupt people, they may have been trying to actually capture hostages of some sort. So, I think they were going to actually extend the scope of the attack. Let's remember, Megyn, ISIS is learning as they do. As they go forward and do these attacks, they learn how to essentially make it even better one up. And I think that's what they were going for here.

KELLY: We saw with al Qaeda, they wanted the big -- the big attack.


KELLY: You know, they wanted the 9/11 type style attack and for lack of a better term, they wouldn't settle for anything less than this theatrical, you know, powerful, awful.


KELLY: You know, effect. ISIS seems content with maybe not as big but psychologically very damaging attacks.

SHAFFER: They are much more devoted to actually doing global terror. I mean this is global terror. This is truly global terror. The caliphate has grown. Now we see it metastasizing all over. It's in Libya and Iraq and Afghanistan, here. And I would argue it's here in the United States.  Everything I've been told by my sensitive sources is, they're building the infrastructure here. It's just a matter of time before we see concerted attacks. So we have not done well, Megyn, to understand their strategy.  We're using tactics against a strategy that's not going to work.

As a matter of fact, I think someone said tactics without strategy is the noise before the fall. So, we've got to figure out the fact here is that, no, they're not al Qaeda. They're not going to go for the catastrophic attack yet. They may still go for something with chemical or nuclear, that may well be in the cards. But for now they're trying to maximize their attack against economic targets and create the havoc you've seen now. And frankly as you see the alert in New York City, I think New York City is being very wise in taking precautions to look at how they may go after their infrastructure.

KELLY: Uh-hm. On high alert tonight and travel shut down to Istanbul from America as well. Great to see you tonight, Colonel. Thank you.

SHAFFER: Thank you, ma'am.

KELLY: In what could be a stunning coincidence or something else, we just learned that the State Department yesterday updated a travel warning, telling Americans about a possible threat from international terror groups in Turkey.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey is next on what might be the story behind that. Don't go away.

Brit Hume is also here in a moment.


KELLY: Back now to the big story breaking tonight. A homicide bombing at Turkey's airport kills at least 36 people and injures almost 150 others.  And now the FAA has canceled all flights to Turkey's capital city while airports in New York and New Jersey are stepping up security. In a moment, we will talk about the global threat picture with the former CIA Director James Woolsey.

But first we go to Washington, D.C. with our chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge. Catherine.

CATHERINE HERRIDGE, FOX NEWS CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: Megyn, tonight all scheduled flights between the U.S. and Istanbul are suspended while investigators work out what happened and who was responsible. The FAA confirming that a ground stop is in place until further notice. The administration is also deeply engaged tonight with the briefing of the President, the Attorney General, and Homeland Security secretary. These are indicators the situation in Istanbul is deeply serious and may have direct implications for security at American airports.

A government official said the attacks that the profile of ISIS, which has stepped up its campaign in Turkey going for international targets with an economic impact. A local Kurdish group has traditionally focused on the Turkish military. Another detail that points to ISIS is the use of suicide bombers, at least three, in what appears to be a coordinated assault with Turkish TV reporting two attackers at the international terminal. Another bomber in the parking lot. And eyewitnesses describing another explosion inside the terminal. Let me draw your attention to this video showing one of the bombers firing inside the terminal. Shot in the leg, he falls to the ground. As the guard approaches, he sees the vest, runs, and then the bomber detonates.

The fact that he came in guns blazing suggests to me, based on my experience, that the goal may have been to take hostages first and then use a suicide vest in a standoff. If he had only wanted to blow himself up, he would have walked into the airport, gone to the passenger line, and detonated. With more than 30 dead, ISIS is one of the few terror groups with a capability to build bombs of that strength. One of the striking similarities between Istanbul and the Brussels airport attack in March is that both explosions knocked the airport ceiling tiles out, telling us that the impact was strong enough to really have an issue with the terminal's structural integrity.

To be clear, there's been no claim of responsibility by any group, ISIS, al Qaeda, or the Kurds tonight. But the intelligence community has believed that ISIS sent trained operatives into Europe in advance of Ramadan -- Megyn.

KELLY: Catherine, thank you.

HERRIDGE: You're welcome.

KELLY: Back to you in just a bit.

Joining us now, former CIA Director James Woolsey. Great to see you, sir, tonight. So, when you look at this attack, what does it say to you?

JAMES WOOLSEY, FORMER CIA DIRECTOR: I think things are going to pick up here for the rest of Ramadan, which is over I think just after the 4th of July. I think it's quite clear that ISIS is ranging as one of your previous speakers said all over the world. This is a worldwide terrorist movement now. We may have choked off the expansion of the caliphate in Iran and Syria. If that turns around --

KELLY: Iraq.

WOOLSEY: I'm sorry. Right. Iraq and Syria. If they could turn that around -- if we could turn it around and make sure that that continues to shrink, that would be excellent. But we still have the folks in the caves and the apartments and watching television and getting radicalized, and they're going to be, I'm afraid, with us for a long time.

KELLY: I mean, I know you lived in Turkey for six months. You're very familiar with this airport. How would you describe this particular attack?

WOOLSEY: Well, this is a very heavily fortified airport. Lots of levels of security. And so I guess I'm not too surprised they didn't get past the first level of it. But it's a formidable structure, and the Turks, like the Israelis, worked very hard in trying to make their system if not invulnerable, at least limited to killing a few people when someone attacks.

KELLY: It seems pretty brazen. I mean I guess that's what ISIS does. But you tell me.

WOOLSEY: Yes. This is like negotiation from Iran. It's not about anything other than showing power. It's not about anything other than having your foot on the face of your adversary. And in order to honor Ramadan and to show how strong they are, an attack of this sort from ISIS is definitely --

KELLY: That's how they honor their holy month, these ISIS fighters, by killing a bunch of innocent civilians.


KELLY: I want to ask you. I mean, we've seen so many atrocities. It's hard to really -- you know, anything is possible with this group. The stepping up of security at U.S. airports, good idea? I mean you heard Catherine's report that our officials believe this may have direct implications on the security at U.S. airports.

WOOLSEY: It probably is. It's probably going to be driven by intercepts of communications and not necessarily breaking any codes or anything like that. Just the data that is out there all over the place from companies, from consultants and the rest. On any given day, if they put their minds to it, Google knows a lot more about behavior patterns.

KELLY: Is that right? Because, you know, what we saw in Brussels -- and we'll still wait to hear about Istanbul. What we saw in Brussels in that attack we saw in March was they got smart and they didn't use cell phones because they understood that that would be tracked. So, you know, they're sort of catching up with us as we catch up with them.

WOOLSEY: It's a little bit like electronic warfare. It's one step this way and one step that way. They may have used cell phones less, but perhaps they used throw away cell phones now, or they're on Twitter, or they're on Facebook. Watching all of that is going to be necessary, unfortunately, in order to get some kind of advance warning of things like these airport attacks. If we did have advance warning, I would imagine it came from something like millions of bits of data of some of these consultancies and the like.

KELLY: Uh-hm. Turkey has got a lot of security, and they watch this very closely. But they, like we, only have so many resources. And you can't watch all of them 24/7.


KELLY: That's what everyone keeps telling us. James Woolsey, thank you, sir.

WOOLSEY: Good to be with you.

KELLY: So while news outlets have been focused on this Turkey incident for the last few hours, did you know that ISIS killed nearly 60 people in three attacks over just the last two days?

Former Islamic extremist Maajid Nawaz and terror expert Dr. Sebastian Gorka are next on what is happening here.


KELLY: Breaking tonight, earlier we reported that ISIS leaders called for more attacks during the holy month of Ramadan, which ends in roughly eight days. But just yesterday, ISIS claimed responsibility for three other attacks, including Yemen, where at least 43 people were killed in a string of attacks. Then a suicide bomber in Jordan killed at least seven more.  And in Lebanon, four Islamic State militants reportedly blew themselves up in a Christian-dominated city. Five more people died there. And now we have this in Turkey.

Joining me now, former Islamic extremist Maajid Nawaz who now helps fight against terror, and Dr. Sebastian Gorka who is the author of "Defeating Jihad." Good to see you both.

So, let me start with you on this, Dr. Gorka. Because what happened over the weekend is ISIS lost Fallujah in Iraq, and they've lost Ramadi.  They've lost other key cities including Anbar province. Basically what they hold now in Iraq is Mosul, and there's a question about whether this explosion in attacks is somehow in retaliation for that or they're getting more desperate as they lose more territory in particular in Iraq.

DR. SEBASTIAN GORKA, AUTHOR, "DEFEATING JIHAD": Right, Megyn. So since the advent of the modern jihadi movement that really was born in 1979, there's always been two target sets. There have been the near enemy. So that's the Middle Eastern targets, the people who are apostate leaders that they wanted to kill and establish their caliphate in that territory. And then there was the far enemy, the infidel, us. Whether it's targets in Western Europe. Whether it's targets in the United States. So here we have a very interesting challenge. This is the first ever jihadi group, ever in 90 years, to establish success for the caliphate, a theocratic empire.

This is what they did two years ago in Mosul. And at the moment, they seem to be losing. They've still got Tikrit. They've still got Mosul, which is a very, very important city in Iraq. But there have been inroads made against them. So now it is very plausible that in some kind of placement reaction, in some kind of distraction to their losses against the enemy in the Middle East, they're taking the fight to the infidel. They're taking the fight to us. Whether it's in Orlando, San Bernardino, or now in Istanbul.

KELLY: Maajid, what is your understanding of their thinking. As they lose territory, would they expand their attacks, or do you believe they'd be expanding in this way and going after these different targets irrespective of what has happening in Iraq?

MAAJID NAWAZ, FORMER ISLAMIC EXTREMIST: No. I think the two are linked.  I would also add that there's a broader geopolitical aim. ISIS knows full well that it can sow the seeds of chaos through such attacks in the West and in Turkey. So let's take this attack today in Turkey where up to 50 could be dead. Now, that will have reverberations not just obviously inside Turkey and for those tragically who have lost their lives and generally for the Turkish people. But also across Europe. Just imagine how that's going to play out.

With all the seismic shifts that are currently going on in Europe, with the rise of nationalistic sentiment and people fearing being part of broader coalitions and unions and blocs, people will end up retreating back into their own identities and not wanting anything to do with those they have defined as the other. In reaction to the fear that perhaps terrorists are going to be sneaking on the borders. And that could potentially lead to a further breakup of the European Union. ISIS is fully cognizant of that fact. It's something that they would indeed aspire to. And so really the reverberations of this, the shock waves of this will be felt across the continent of Europe, and that has political consequences for the stability of Europe as well.

KELLY: Dr. Gorka, how concern you know do you think, obviously we always worry a bit about terror. But given what they're saying about Ramadan and we've got, what, until I think July 6th to go until that ends? How concerned should people here be?

GORKA: Very. Very concerned. Maajid is absolutely correct. This will have broad political ramifications or ramifications for national security.  But Megyn, it should not have surprised anyone. Absolutely nobody should be surprised. A year ago, in June 2015, there was a publication of a Turkish language ISIS magazine named Constantinople where they talked about the conquest of Constantinople, the need to recapture the home of the Ottoman Empire, to cleanse it of false Muslims.

We know they talked about attacks during Ramadan. And most specifically of all, and this is why Orlando shouldn't have surprised anybody. They have been explicit in their publications. In English, we are going to take the fight to the jihadist, where there are high concentrations of unarmed civilians. That is right here on U.S. soil. And, remember, Omar Mateen is the 103rd ISIS individual intercepted or killed or arrested on U.S. soil in the last two years. One hundred and third -- Megyn.

KELLY: That brings it home. Gentlemen, thank you both so much.   Well, so far we have not heard directly from President Obama on the events in Turkey, and the white house says she should not expect to tonight. Brit Hume is next on how the administration, which skipped the hearing on Capitol Hill looking into terror today, is handling this.

Plus, we had booked billionaire Mark Cuban to talk about the economy and the election, and now this. Mark is next to talk about a crazy political race in an increasingly uncertain world.  


KELLY: Back now to our breaking news from Turkey where a terror attack has struck at the heart of a close U.S. ally. Three suicide bombers killing at least three dozen at one of Europe's busiest and most fortified airports. The White House saying we should not expect the president to address this attack at all tonight.

In Turkey, their prime minister is making an appeal for world solidarity, reportedly calling for this tragedy to mark the "start of an era in fight against terrorism."  Brit Hume is our Fox News senior political analyst. He joins us now. Brit, good to see you. So, President Obama will not address this and if and when he does address it tomorrow, your thoughts on whether we should expect any change in tone or message?

BRIT HUME, FOX NEWS SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, first of all, I think it's understandable that he wouldn't say anything about it tonight beyond or rather on a dime (ph) statement the White House put out earlier. After all, there's been no claim of responsibility, and while this has the earmarks of an Isis attack, we don't yet know for sure if this indeed is an Isis attack, which would obviously feed into anything he might want to have to say about this.

As for what he's likely to say, obviously we've got no way of knowing except that nothing seems to have shaken his determination to pursue this rather gradual policy of trying to deal with Isis. He has treated it for the longest time now as a regional threat that he has several times insisted really posed no threat to the United States in any major way, or that he said it has been contained.

He said it was the JV of terrorism and so on, and he's been proven wrong time and time again. And it is obviously a strike against his administration and his potential successor that he's been wrong so many times and we have been attacked now several times by Isis on our soil so, I think...

KELLY: So, it's not just of course the United States. I mean, we've seen Orlando, we've seen San Bernardino and so on. But who is leading this fight? Just in the last couple of days we've seen Isis attacks in Yemen, we've seen Isis attacks in Lebanon, in Jordan, now Istanbul. It was in Brussels, in Orlando. Who is leading?

HUME: Well, there is said to be a coalition of nations which is combining to try to take Isis out. The problem, of course, is that it doesn't look like the kind of massive effort that might be undertaken to go into Isis strongholds particularly in Syria and simply crush Isis. That's not happening. And the leadership that the president has provided has been for this rather gradual approach. And so, I suppose...

KELLY: Because the American people don't have the stomach for it, right, because politically he knows that the American people remain war weary and they don't want to get involved in another, "quagmire."

HUME: That's right, Megyn, and that has been sort of the conventional (ph) wisdom about this all along. Look, the American public is perennially, perpetually war wary and indeed there have been, you know, a number of armed conflicts in recent years. Some of them have gone better than others. But that's where presidential leadership has traditionally come into play.

It is the job of a president to weave the circumstances confronting the security threats, confronting a nation, into an argument that says, ladies and gentlemen of America, we need to be the leaders here. We need to do this because if we don't do it, it won't get done. That is the history of the 20th century is American involvement in foreign conflicts in which the public was reluctant and with good reason, and as we look back on them now, we realize that things would not have turned out well for our friends overseas or for us had we not gotten involved.

That is the perpetual thing that faces every president, is the need to lead. And I think this president has had the view that when we try to lead, especially when it involves military force, that things tend to go rather badly and make things worse. And I think he has operated on that theory for the entirety of his presidency. And I think that's -- I think that's where we are, and I think that is likely to govern his policies going forward.

KELLY: Brit, great to see you.

HUME: Thanks, Megyn.

KELLY: Well, the presumptive nominees from both parties took the opportunity tonight to remind Americans where they stand on Islamic terrorism, each reacting to the Istanbul attacks with strong words for the terrorists. Donald Trump says America needs to take action and fast.


DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE: We had another suicide bombing, Istanbul, Turkey. Many, many people killed. Many, many people injured. Folks, there's something going on that's really, really bad. All right. It's bad, and we better get smart, and we better get tough or we're not going to have much of a country left. Okay? It's bad.


KELLY: The Clinton campaign sent out a statement stressing America's strengths, writing in part, "today's attack in Istanbul only strengthens our resolve to defeat the forces of terrorism and radical Jihadism around the world and it reminds us that the United States cannot retreat."

Our next guest is a successful billionaire, who was here to talk about Trump and Clinton on the economy. But once again, terror has pushed those subjects to the back burner. Joining us now is billionaire Mark Cuban, a successful entrepreneur for the past 30 years, owner of the NBA's Dallas Mavericks and host of the popular reality show, "Shark Tank."

Mark, great to see you tonight. Sorry to have to talk about such a dark subject yet again. Every -- every week, it seems on "The Kelly File" we're talking about more innocents murdered by these savages. And, tonight, you know, you hear from Trump, and you hear from Hillary -- nothing of substance.

We'll hear from our president's mouth probably not a change in any policy. I mean, as somebody who's led a team to success, a company to success, do you have any thoughts on it? Do you have any thoughts on what we should be doing?

MARK CUBAN, ENTREPENEUR: Well, first prayers to everybody who was affected, those who lost their lives and their families. It's horrific and as long as there are people who don't care about life, whether it's their own or others, we're going to face this problem, you know, for now until eternity. I don't know that there's an actual solution.

But as it applies to leadership, you know, from both sides, whether it's Hillary or Donald, you can't just say this is bad, bad, very bad, and we need to get tough. You know, at some point both sides have got to dig in and start at least trying to come up with solutions. Now, I don't think it's a solvable problem, but you can take steps in the right direction. And we're not seeing that from either side yet.

KELLY: You describe yourself as an independent, perhaps leaning libertarian and, you know, we saw in the last -- in the primary season on the GOP side, for example, Rand Paul, his libertarian leanings made him a little bit more non-interventionalist let's say. Is that how you see the world? I mean, do you believe the United States has a role to lead in this battle against ISIS?

CUBAN: Yeah, absolutely. I think we have a role on multiple fronts. We have to support our allies. You know, you're not going to end terrorism. It's never going to happen. But we can at least try to stabilize different parts of the world. Look, I'm far from an expert. But what I do know is that, you know, people look to America. They look to us for solutions. I'm a big believer in American exceptionalism.

We've been able to find solutions where others haven't. And I think, you know, the world is evolving. We're getting, you know, from a technology perspective, whether it's automation, robotics, whatever it may be, we're going to have to start looking in that direction to at least support our efforts against terrorism. I don't think we're doing a good enough job there.

KELLY: What do you think of these two candidates? Have you -- I know you've had criticism for both of them. You're not a party or an ideological guy. How do you see these two folks right now?

CUBAN: They both have challenges without question. I mean, right now I give the nod to Hillary, whether you like it or not. I mean she's been demonized, and she seems to fight through it. But at least, you know, on a simple basis, if you go to her website, there are few ideas that I can get behind. You know, I went to Donald's website in preparation for this and, you know, there's some high-level topics that he covers, but he really doesn't go into many different issues and I think that's a challenge for him.

And, you know, look, one of the reasons I like your show, Megyn, is your very analytical. When a problem presents itself, you'll dig in and try to get right to the heart of the matter. We're not seeing that from Donald in particular. I mean he has to start demonstrating that he has analytical skills because there's so much at stake, not just from an economic perspective but from a global leadership perspective.

And we can't just isolate ourselves. You know, voting for no is never a solution for much of anything, and we've seen that with Brexit. They didn't have a solution. They just decided to vote for no. And now there's chaos, maybe not chaos but confusion and uncertainty. And confusion and uncertainty is always bad for business and always bad for markets.

KELLY: Mark Cuban, I like your show too.

CUBAN: Thank you.


KELLY: I like it a lot actually. I have a bunch of ideas for it. I hope I get to come on one day and present them.

CUBAN: Bring them on, Megyn. We're ready for you.

KELLY: Oh, good. I'll see you there. Thank you so much for being here tonight.

CUBAN: Done. Thank you so much for having me, Megyn.

KELLY: You got to laugh where you can. Well, before these dark events in Turkey, the big story was the release of the Republican report on Benghazi and the terror attack there. The failure by the military and the political worries from the White House as this attack unfolded. Mark "Oz" Geist, a hero, credited with saving dozens of lives in Libya that night joins us next on what we learned and his thoughts.


KELLY: Breaking tonight, an eye opening new report on Benghazi is revealing details we've never heard before and suggesting the White House failures both before and after these attacks may be even worse than we knew. A new Benghazi committee report suggests that as this attack was unfolding, the White House was convening a meeting with Secretary Hillary Clinton and other officials, though the president was notably absent.

And while this was ostensibly to discuss a rescue, we are now learning that the bigger focus became the internet video which was repeatedly and incorrectly blamed for this attack. At the time of that meeting, Sean Smith was dead, Ambassador Chris Stevens was missing. But Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods were still alive.

Joining us in moments, Mark "Oz" Geist, a security contractor for the CIA at the time, who is credited with saving dozens of lives in Libya that night and was fighting with those two gentlemen, who would later be killed. But first we go to chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge with more, Catherine.

CATHERINE HERRIDGE, CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: Megyn, at that White House meeting there was also concern the Libyans would find the rescue teams military uniforms insulting with one commander telling investigators he and his marines changed in and out of their uniforms at least four times that night, never leaving for Benghazi. The father of Navy SEAL Ty Woods killed defending the CIA base, saving the lives of dozens of Americans, spoke exclusively with Fox News about the report's findings.


CHARLES WOODS, NAVY SEAL TYRONE WOODS' FATHER: Well, I don't think that that's really even an issue. With Hillary, she took credit for invading Libya. Was she worried about the opinion of the Libyans when we killed how many of them? When we destroyed their infrastructure? When we bombed them? When we went in without permission from the host country? No, she wasn't afraid of that.


HERRIDGE: Discussion of the obscure anti-Islam video the White House would wrongly tie to the terrorist attack also dominated the White House meeting, taking up five of the ten action items afterward. And while the administration apparently fretted about the Libyans, no one was on the move.


REP. TREY GOWDY, R-S.C., HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON BENGHAZI CHARIMAN: It could have reached Benghazi because nothing was ever headed to Benghazi. No U.S. military asset was ever deployed to Benghazi despite the order of the Secretary of Defense at 7:00 that night.

HERRIDGE: And the pressure that night in September 2012 was on then Secretary of State Clinton, who wanted the Benghazi outpost to be permanent with an announcement one month before the November 2012 election.

REP. JIM JORDAN, R-OHIO, HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON BENGHAZI MEMBER: Now they got a terrorist attack, and they have to mislead the American people because it's 56 days before an election. Their legacy is on the line, and she has the goddess of history looking over her shoulder. So they mislead the American people.


HERRIDGE: The report found the video explanation from the 2012 terrorist attack was crafted in Washington by political appointees and did not reflect the real-time intelligence. It was on your show, Megyn, four years ago we first reported there was no protest in Benghazi and no link to the video. So, thanks for standing by that ongoing reporting.

KELLY: And you got real push-back for that because you were out on a limb.

HERRIDGE: I did at the time.

KELLY: And stood alone, and said you had it right. And now, as it comes out in this report, people look and say, oh, we knew that all along. Meanwhile, it was like Catherine was the one reporting it with everybody pushing back on her saying she was wrong, and now they want to pretend like this is old news. Catherine, great job and thank you.

HERRIDGE: You're welcome.

KELLY: While some were debating what kind of clothing our rescue teams should be wearing if in fact we would bother deploying them, the folks who were actually under attack, like Mark "Oz" Geist, were left debating things like whether they were ever going to see their families or use their arms again. And as we saw in the incredible film "13 Hours," which depicted this Benghazi attack from the perspective of Oz and the other heroes who saved lives that day and in some cases, gave their own lives, clothing was the last thing on the minds of those that were able to go home.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I walked into this country. I'm walking out.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know how you survived all that, but I know how the rest of us did.


KELLY: Mark "Oz" Geist was a member of the CIA's Benghazi annex security team that night. He's now with Shadow Warriors which helps private contractors like the guys in his group when they come back from the fight overseas and they are too often forgotten for the service they've given us. Oz it's great to see you. Thank you for being here. And so, just so our viewers know, that is -- that actor that he's portraying you when he gets out of that truck.

And in reality, your arm was hanging. It was hanging off of you, and you walked to that airplane naked and bloody, saying, "I walked into this country on my own, and I will walk out." And now we know no one was sent to help you. There's a reason no help ever arrived. None was sent despite the fact that there was a fast team, this marine fleet anti-terrorism security team, sitting at a Spanish air base for three hours, changing their clothes four times while the security experts back in Washington debated whether their civilian outfits would be less offensive to the Libyan people. Your thoughts?

MARK "OZ" GEIST, BENGHAZI ANNEX SECURITY TEAM MEMBER: First off, Megyn, thank you very much. You know, right now my heart goes out to those in Istanbul and what we face there. But, you know, that night hearing that either they tried to change uniforms or discussed changing uniforms by the security experts in Washington, D.C. is the crux of the problem. The decisions that should have been made should have been made by those on the ground, and irrelevant of that.

Just like we took the responsibility of making that decision that night, I mean Tom (ph) didn't care if he was in shorts or blue jeans, and I don't think the Libyans cared either. I mean, worrying about whether or not somebody's uniform is going to offend somebody in a combat situation when American lives are at stake is ludicrous. And it's just beyond me that somebody would be worried about that when we have Americans in peril.

KELLY: When you hear so many come out today and say, oh, you know, there's no news. Even though five of the top ten points of data that they talked about at the White House had to do with blaming the video, which we know was not -- was not what led to that, and the shock being expressed by security experts around the country in the government as they saw Susan Rice blame it on the video. Your reaction to hearing that truth laid out?

GEIST: Again, the same thing. I mean you have people and politicians who are making decisions based on politics. You know, as in the book "13 Hours" the true account of what really happened in Benghazi and as well as in the movie, the secret soldiers of Benghazi. I mean, what we did is tell the truth of what was on the ground, what happened that night. And that's what should have been paid attention to. I mean, it's the politicians who chose to make it political.

KELLY: I got to leave it at that. We're up against a break. We'll be right back with more Mark.


KELLY: Oz and others like him need your help. They were left behind in Benghazi, but they should not be left behind here., again, Our thanks to him and our prayers to those in Istanbul tonight.

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