This is a rush transcript from "The Five," June 27, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Tucker Carlson, its 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five." Britain's historic vote to break away from the EU has fired up the war of words again between our presumptive presidential nominees. Hillary Clinton lashing out today at Donald Trump's response to the referendum.
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HILLARY CLINTON, PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: On Friday, when Britain voted to leave the European Union, he crowed from his golf course about how the disruption could end up creating higher profits for that golf course. Even though within 24 hours, Americans lost $100 billion from our 401(k)'s, he tried to turn a global economic challenge into an infomercial.
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PERINO: And Trump hitting her for taking the side that lost.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I got it right and Hillary got it wrong and Obama got it wrong. They sort of get everything wrong, John. They get it wrong. They get it wrong all the time and it's part of the problem our country has.
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PERINO: So while we talk about how it might be affecting us, Nigel Farage, he was one of the UK leaders that led the fight to leave that referendum. He was on Neil Cavuto, exclusively earlier and here's what he had to say about that.
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NIGEL FARAGE, UKIP LEADER: No. Your position -- and you may have your problems, is nothing like ours. We finished up until last Thursday with 70 percent of our laws being made by foreign institutions with our own Supreme Court being overruled in Luxembourg and with an open border to 500 million people. Whatever problems you've got in the USA, they are nothing to what we've had as part of this year of -- and what we did last Thursday is we said, we want our country back.
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PERINO: All right, Tucker Carlson, We'll get you in here. So he's saying it's not exactly a parallel. But as Americans, we always make everything about ourselves, but there are some similarities .
TUCKER CARLSON, GUEST CO-HOST: Right.
PERINO: . of our election. Do you agree?
CARLSON: I think Britain is to the U.S., what California is to New York. It's a glimpse into the future. If you want to know what this country could look like generation from now, you look at the UK.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: California -- yeah.
CARLSON: That's been true for generations. The truth about the -- this is a complicated thing that people who supports Brexit should not pretend there's no economic cost to it, there is. And hopefully short term, but it might not be; their economy is probably contract. On the other hand, in the last 40 years Britain has become weaker internationally, has become more dependent upon the finance sector -- first economy. And it's become demonstrably and critically less English. And not just in the appearance of the people who have moved there, but in their attitudes and then their behavior. And so, if you wake up one morning and your country looks nothing like the country you grew up in, you have cause for complaint. And people like Hillary wave their hands and call you a racist. That's the real thing. I'm sorry, it is an ancient country and it's totally different. It's a big deal.
PERINO: There's one thing that Peter said about -- the EU was telling British butchers that they could no longer package pork chops the way that they used to with the kidney next to it and it was the little things like that overtime just grew to be bigger things including the court of human rights. Eric, can I ask you on the market point that Tucker just brought up.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Which I completely disagree with? I do. I disagree.
PERINO: It's the market point .
PERINO: . or the what?
BOLLING: No, no. You see, what's changed? I started looking at this and I been trying, I've racking my brain, I hear everyone talking about oh, this is going to be a slowdown in the European Union and Britain, and this is going to be terrible for their economies. I'm trying to figure out what's changed. Supply and demand are pretty much going to be seen -- the same they were prior to the vote, so there's global demand. If global demand shows down, that won't be because of Brexit, in my opinion. I think this will actually help the continent. I think -- because England, the UK has been so strong economically, it's been one of the three feeders to the pie, Germany, France and the UK are the big suppliers of funds into the EU where's a lot of countries, some of the (inaudible), the Portugal, Italy, Spain --
BOLLING: No, they're -- actually those people are takers.
BOLLING: So there are the makers and the takers. Great Britain has been the big maker. I believe that this is going to be good for them and for the global economy. Everything is so globalized right now. The only argument that I could see slowing things down, I think it's going be very, very tiny, irrelevant. It will be cutting off their nose despite their face on both sides should be. If they did some sort of -- you know how there are open borders right now, so if you're a German national, you go to England, you can work and they don't have to have a work visa.
BOLLING: Well, if they start putting work requirements and visas on those, it may create a bureaucratic nightmare, but I don't think it's going to slow down the economy --
TUCKER: Of course, obviously, I hope you're right as for the Brexit, but don't you think much depends upon how the EU handles this.
CARLSON: If Germany decides to punish the UK, it could be a problem.
BOLLING: Yeah (inaudible) and -- but why would they? You know I mean?
BOLLING: At the end of the -- look, they're the continent, and they want to continue to have people doing business. London is one of the financial global centers -- global financial centers in the world; New York, London, Tokyo, Singapore. I don't think that changes because they leave the EU.
PERINO: Let's bring it back home a little bit with Hillary Clinton. We talked a little bit how she seemed a little tone deaf .
PERINO: . on this, but she actually, until today, she hasn't actually said anything about it on the record at all over the weekend. Instead, one of the things she did was show up as a surprise to the gay pride parade here in New York City. So that was the usual over the weekend. She didn't get involved in the Brexit.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. So that was a good choice for her to do, especially to kind of rally on her constituents, her base. She always said that she's a big proponent supporter of the LGBT and questioning community, except when she's accepting money from the Clinton Foundation on behalf of, you know countries that hang gays and lesbians. So that would be a problem. However, bringing it back home here, she's not going to say anything about it because what's she going to do? Oh, my bad, my bad. Like she called it wrong, right? And it also, whether the exact specifics match up a little pinpoint -- then pinpoint perfect matches, isn't the point. The overarching idea is that this is a rejection of globalism and it's more about nationalism and focusing at home, and about borders, and about immigration, and about making your own decisions for the country that you have skin in the game for. Where I think it's going to have an impact, it's going to take a little bit to unravel it, is defense spending because UK was providing a large portion of that for the EU, and I think that could be slightly problematic. But when you have a big fish like the, you know, London and England and everybody dropping out of this, then what happens? I mean, who is going to pick up the slack? That's what I worry about for the rest of them.
PERINO: And they need --
GUILFOYLE: And that's not the economic problem.
PERINO: They need strong economic growth to pay for that kind of defense.
PERINO: Juan, before I go to you, can you take a listen to the campaign manager for Donald Trump. This is Paul Manafort explaining that this is a rejection of globalism. Take a listen.
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PAUL MANAFORT, CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR DONALD TRUMP: What happened in -- with Brexit was people taking back control. I mean, they get the faceless bureaucrats in Brussels and Strasbourg who have ruled and told the Brits how to live and promise -- making promises to them that their lives would get better and talking about a future based on globalism versus family and individual and local community. Those are the same issues that have caused the angst in America today. And this election in 2016 where Donald Trump is the only change agent is set up perfectly on those same themes, because Hillary Clinton is the epitome of the establishment.
CHUCK TODD, "MEET THE PRESS" HOST: I --
MANAFORT: She's been in power for 25 years.
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PERINO: Juan, I actually applaud, I applaud the way he explained that because that's like the best explanation I heard all weekend.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Right. I mean, the thing about it is Hillary Clinton just dealt with Bernie Sanders, who is an even bigger change agent, if that's what you want to say. And clearly, came back and said to the voters on the democratic side, at least, that she can make promises and has experience in order to deliver real change as opposed to just empty promises, which is exactly her charge against Donald Trump, that he makes huge promises, but has no way to deliver on them in terms of real significant change, systemic change, if you will. I would argue, by the way, with Tucker and with Eric, I mean I look at those stock market. I see the stock market today is down 250. I see the pound is at a 31-year low. That does not help the British, it doesn't help my 401(k), it doesn't help anybody to see the American and global economies contracting and reacting as they are. So you can say, oh, gee, you know, this might be short term. Tucker, you said it might be short term.
CARLSON: I hope it will.
WILLIAMS: And I do too.
CARLSON: It might not be.
WILLIAMS: But I -- but it might not be. And I think right now, if you listen to the economic experts and these are people who not in the political game, they're trying to, you know, make money for themselves. They are tremendously concerned. They're worried about not only what's going on in Britain, they're worried about China and they're worried about Trump here .
CARLSON: Listen --
WILLIAMS: . in terms of his anti-trade policies, and what it could mean in terms of economic recession.
CARLSON: But you don't want to confuse the health of the finance economy with the health of a country, there are other factors. I think that's a real factor, by the way. Stock market .
CARLSON: . its performance matters to all of us, but it's not the only thing that matters if you have a thousand-year-old country with a distinct language, and culture, and history. And all of a sudden it's, it erodes in a two generations. I don't -- that is a factor.
WILLIAMS: Well, it is a factor. And I think they've seen a spike in immigration, although I saw .
CARLSON: Oh, you think?
WILLIAMS: . that there have been -- that incident indicates that there were anti-immigrant feelings very strongly in Britain .
BOLLING: That was Brexit --
WILLIAMS: . even before the spike, because of just what you're talking about.
BOLLING: That's what Brexit was based on. That Brexit was a vote on anti- immigration. That's what it was.
WILLIAMS: Well, I know some people say it wasn't.
BOLLING: Oh, come on. If you can ascribe to anything but anti-immigration, I think you're maybe misreading the tea leaves. You talk about global economy slowing down.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah.
BOLLING: Versus -- because two days on Wall Street were down? I mean that's -- two days on Wall Street is a blip. It's only, it's --
WILLIAMS: Let's hope.
BOLLING: It's a couple of percentage points.
WILLIAMS: Let's hope.
BOLLING: And Wall Street hates surprises. They hate surprises. So, going into the Brexit vote, Wall Street was up 250 points the day of the vote. That the -- you know these betting markets?
GUILFOYLE: The better --
PERINO: Yeah, why would they --
BOLLING: The betting markets missed this by 1,000 percent.
PERINO: Why do you think that is?
BOLLING: They just -- they, they were listening to -- the vast majority of what you heard on television in Europe was that they were going to remain. It was gonna be remain. Meanwhile, some of the tabloids are saying, hey, not so fast .
BOLLING: . be careful, because they were -- what we're seeing is something completely different, a little bit more nationalism versus globalism. And so the betting markets were caught off guard. The Wall Street was caught off guard. They hate that. But Juan, nothing has really changed -- economically, nothing has really changed .
WILLIAMS: Oh, let me tell you something really .
BOLLING: . from last week to this week.
WILLIAMS: . and I thought you hit on it, actually, when you said, imagine the EU is going to respond now. You're seeing efforts by the English leadership to oh, slow down, we're not going to take steps to get out of the EU right away. We're going to do this gradually. The EU minister are saying, "No, you guys, get out, take it." And we'll put in tariffs, we'll put in requirements, new requirements that make it more difficult and, guess what?
BOLLING: Now, would that be .
WILLIAMS: The financial --
BOLLING: . the thing about that for one second --
WILLIAMS: No, no. Hold on. Let me finish. The financial industry is leaving London.
BOLLING: Especially from the country who adds the most into the economic pie .
WILLIAMS: You said --
BOLLING: Why would you go after .
WILLIAMS: You said --
BOLLING: . a country that needs second most.
WILLIAMS: You said financial industry was number one, right? Financial industry .
WILLIAMS: . is number one in London in terms of what's going on in the continent, right? They all now saying, you know, it doesn't make sense for us to be in London.
WILLIAMS: We could be elsewhere. And guess what?
BOLLING: That's say --
BOLLING: That's I say is New York --
WILLIAMS: Scotland, Wales to say come to us. We're staying in the EU.
BOLLING: New York decided to pull out of the United States. People would stop doing business .
BOLLING: . globally, overseas, because New York wasn't part -- no way Juan --
PERINO: It probably all. I think if we -- let's get to Kimberly.
BOLLING: London will be an, will be a globally a finance center control.
GUILFOYLE: I can explain the whole reason why this happened, and it's one reason.
GUILFOYLE: Nope. Elizabeth Hurley.
GUILFOYLE: With the flag.
PERINO: She used --
PERINO: She (inaudible) David Beckham.
GUILFOYLE: This is what happens. Yeah, that's all debate -- yeah.
PERINO: We don't have enough time to debate all the immigration.
GUILFOYLE: I'm gonna reenacted.
PERINO: There wasn't just immigration .
PERINO: In my opinion.
PERINO: But guess what, the other thing that happened in England today, they just lost 2-1 to Iceland. So it might not be very happy at my house tonight.
CARLSON: In what?
PERINO: What do you think? Soccer.
CARLSON: I don't know.
PERINO: The one thing that matters.
GUILFOYLE: Tell me --
PERINO: Ahead, some on our mainstream media have attached the label to Brits who favor breaking away. Is that xenophobia, which means the fear of the foreign or foreigners? In this case, Bill Maher takes them on when "The Five" returns.
GUILFOYLE: Back now with more on the fallout from Brexit. The UK voted to leave the EU. And according to our liberal media it's because many Brits are intolerant of foreigners.
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CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: A lot of these "leave" movements are led by the hard-right, very, very xenophobic, anti-immigrant, a very populist, nationalist, white identity politics -- they are the leaders who are, who are pushing this, this momentum.
CHRISTOPHER DICKEY, THE DAILY BEAST WORLD NEWS EDITOR: It's all about building walls to try and keep the status quo and say we can improve things, if we can keep the status quo and keep our, as they say, independence.
CRAIG MELVIN, MSNBC HOST: It sounds like some old-fashioned xenophobia.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is certainly a lot of populist anxiety here, as there was in the UK. And the way that was exercised in the UK was true, a more xenophobic, anti-establishment response, right?
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GUILFOYLE: Well, Bill Maher is challenging those xenophobia claims by pointing out the reality of the threat, radical Islam poses to the west.
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BILL MAHER, "REAL TIME WITH BILL MAHER" TALK SHOW HOST: I hear a lot of talk today about xenophobia. And, is it really phobia if you have something to be afraid of? 52 percent of British Muslims think being gay should be illegal. Do you really think if America had Muslimized ghettos -- Muslimized, that's not the right word -- radicalized ghettos of Muslims like London, and Brussels .
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.
MAHER: . and Paris where a woman who would walk down the street in a short skirt would be hassled because it was anti-Islamic. Do you -- what would Americans do if that happened in this country?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have --
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GUILFOYLE: All right. So, for once in his life, Bill Maher has a good point.
BOLLING: I think he's been honest for a long time.
BOLLING: He has been the one liberal voice that said, hey. Let's take a look at this radical -- what's going on with radical Islam? And he had pushed back. He got a lot of heat from the left base saying that he wasn't part -- he wasn't speaking for all of them. I've said on here, I have -- my name is Eric Bolling and I have radical Islamophobia, admittedly, but I'm not trying to get rid of it --
GUILFOYLE: Juan is nodding, he said yes.
BOLLING: Because it is that it --
GUILFOYLE: Can I get a witness? Yeah.
BOLLING: The radical Islamophobia is a real thing and it's real.
BOLLING: Can you imagine if California decided, we're going to let anyone in through our borders, we're going to completely forget the fact that there's a law, and that you can't just come in. And they're going to say, you know, and then you can go ahead and travel to every, any other state in the union. Eventually, we'd say cut it out, California, or get out. And that's what was going on with Brexit. They were -- the Brits were tired of millions upon millions of refugees being taken into Germany, then that free travel throughout the 28 countries in Europe ending up in some of their, some of their neighborhoods. So they pushed back on it and I think Bill Maher is still right on.
WILLIAMS: Most of the immigration, and there's been a spike in immigration in England, but most of it is from other --
WILLIAMS: . other countries, not from Syrian refugees.
BOLLING: That's a million -- when you vow to take a million Syrian refugees --
WILLIAMS: OK. If you're saying prospectively, I appreciate it, but I'm just telling that --
BOLLING: Well, they're taking them now.
WILLIAMS: But they -- no, they're not. I mean, the people who have filled in, you know the people that the British are responding to in terms of the surge of immigrants are people from other European countries, not from Syria, not from Afghanistan and Iraq.
BOLLING: Well, they're coming from many places --
WILLIAMS: OK, whatever. I hope you understand.
BOLLING: If you think that if Minnesota said, we'll take a million Syrian refugees --
BOLLING: You don't think we'd all be mad about this and say hey, wait a minute.
CARLSON: They already did that, by the way. Last year, the majority of driver's licenses issued in the state of California were issued to illegal aliens, who can now drive across the country. But the point, the point is really simple; liberals are unwilling to defend liberal values. Not all immigrants are the same. Some come, work hard and assimilate easily. Others come and assault the very values that make your society worth going to, in the first place. The idea that women shouldn't go out without permission, not cover their faces, drive cars, (inaudible) to be murdered for being gay. These are basic beliefs that we have that are challenged by a lot of these immigrants, and the left want as a noble -- I would say, exception to this, stand by and don't say anything because they don't want to be Islamophobic. So what it really comes down to where it's a contest between an assault on actual liberalism and the charge of Islamophobia -- they'll side of the factious every time.
CARLSON: But that's telling.
BOLLING: Do -- and Bill Maher pushes back on it.
CARLSON: And Bill Maher is another noble example.
GUILFOYLE: Dana, you are our UK expert. You and --
GUILFOYLE: Fabulous --
PERINO: I did live there for a little while; learned to drive on the other side of the road -- not very well.
PERINO: I would say -- if I can talk about the media commentary .
PERINO: . at the beginning, because the left never misses an opportunity to insult people that they don't know. And one of the things that happen in this vote, you saw people on both sides saying, I didn't -- if you -- let's say you were for Brexit. You might say, "I didn't know anybody who was going to vote to remain." People in London who voted to remain said, "I didn't know anybody who was going to vote to leave." And so the vote surprised people because of all the things that Eric mentioned in the previous block. But someone like Christiane Amanpour, she acts as if there are no consequences -- not just immigration, the last several years, but for, you know, for 20 years, and one of the things that Britain has to answer for is that they are considered the soft touch when it comes to welfare benefits.
PERINO: So if you are a desperate refugee coming from northern Africa or Syria, wherever you might be coming from. It's not just you want to leave from Poland to try to find a better job in England, you find a good job and you assimilate and everything goes fairly well. It's that you're so desperate to leave, but you find out because you know from friends or family that when you get to Britain, you'll get a council House and you'll get all sorts of other welfare benefits. You can make it all the way across another 1,000 miles to get there, even though you are so desperate as a refugee. And what I would ask all these people, such as the smart people in the UK who wanted to remain is, what are you willing to do to solve the refugee problem at its source? The UN reported -- last week, that there are more displaced people in the world today than ever before since they started taking records. So somebody has to answer to that, or for that. I mean, we could argue about these immigrants over -- remember, but they're coming because we're not solving the problems at their source. And those problems are a lot harder to solve and nobody wants to talk about them --
CARLSON: But one answer --
PERINO: But we should.
CARLSON: One answer might be -- they can't come to my country. I mean, I know for example there's a lot of crime taking place around the world and in the city. I live in Washington, D.C., but they're not allowed to commit crimes in my house. In that way -- and do you mean like in the end, you can only kind of solve the problems over which you have jurisdiction.
PERINO: Because probably -- it because one of the reasons they wanted to leave is to say that Brussels is not going to be able, tell us want we can and can't do. Remember, in Britain you're advised if you're a member of the military, not to wear your uniform off base, because you might offend somebody that is from a Muslim country. That's absurd.
CARLSON: What does Hillary think of this? What does Hillary think?
PERINO: She doesn't talk about it.
CARLSON: So hundreds of thousands of Muslim immigrants have moved here under the Obama administration. No one has stood up and said, you know, you're not allowed to bring your medieval customs with you --
CARLSON: I'm serious. You can bring your religion -- we welcome Islam, we welcome you, but you're not allowed to keep your wives inside. You can't prevent them from driving --
PERINO: Or working?
CARLSON: Yeah -- or working. But that's not the American way. This is a good country because it's an open pluralistic country. And if you don't buy in to that -- leave.
WILLIAMS: Well, yeah. I agree with that.
WILLIAMS: You know I'm for assimilation, by the way.
WILLIAMS: I must say that we have Mormons who have different attitudes about religion and the like.
CARLSON: We fought a war with them over it.
WILLIAMS: Oh, what we have, we have a pluralistic attitude towards religious practices.
WILLIAMS: We don't say you can't do this. What we say, you cannot deny someone's individual rights .
WILLIAMS: If your wife wants this or that.
WILLIAMS: I will say this with regards to what happened.
GUILFOYLE: You have to follow the laws of this country.
GUILFOYLE: . not Shariah laws.
WILLIAMS: Oh, no.
GUILFOYLE: You are not allowed to beat your wife, OK?
WILLIAMS: No, to -- or death.
GUILFOYLE: Or to honor killings .
GUILFOYLE: . or any of the rest.
WILLIAMS: Well, of course not.
GUILFOYLE: I don't like it to be.
WILLIAMS: That would be a crime in our country.
WILLIAMS: But I'm saying --
WILLIAMS: The thing about what's going on here is that, on when the young people and the more diverse population in Britain voted to stay in the EU, it was an older white population that .
WILLIAMS: . get out.
CARLSON: Will does that make it less legitimate?
WILLIAMS: No, but I'm just saying --
CARLSON: That's the implication --
GUILFOYLE: We were doing it so well.
WILLIAMS: No, we were talking earlier about tradition.
CARLSON: I think they're legitimate.
WILLIAMS: About tradition -- no, we're talking about doing things .
WILLIAMS: . keep tradition, right? People who want to keep the country's tradition, but --
PERINO: But -- right.
WILLIAMS: I think there's a lot to that .
PERINO: Well --
WILLIAMS: . because the country is a very different --
PERINO: In 10 years --
PERINO: In 10 years these young people might thank them.
BOLLING: And you know --
GUILFOYLE: We will talk about --
BOLLING: We had the same .
BOLLING: . views here, as well.
WILLIAMS: What do you mean?
BOLLING: To keep tradition and not, you know, have people --
WILLIAMS: You know what?
BOLLING: Massive influx of refugees.
WILLIAMS: You cannot, you cannot stop globalization.
BOLLING: Change that?
GUILFOYLE: OK, but let's talk about this country.
GUILFOYLE: Poll numbers, anyone? Yeah, brand new. Poll numbers are in on the presidential race. Plus, some big Supreme Court decisions were handed down today. Stick around.
BOLLING: Donald Trump calls Hillary Clinton the most corrupt presidential candidate in U.S. history. Her camp, of course, says she's squeaky clean.
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CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS SUNDAY HOST: How about Clinton's ethics? How's she going to answer about that?
ROBBY MOOK, CLINTON CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Well, Hillary Clinton has actually been the most transparent secretary of state in our history. She's released all of her e-mails. She's released her schedules. You know, I think, I think the record speaks for itself.
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GUILFOYLE: Not her speak.
BOLLING: Yeah, boy. Clinton's been on a mission to disqualify Trump from the presidency. Newt Gingrich, however, says it's Hillary who is not qualified to be president.
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NEWT GINGRICH, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: She was wrong on Brexit. She wanted to remain vote to win. She was wrong on Libya. She thought to somehow would get better if we knocked off Gaddafi. She was wrong on the reset with Russia. I mean, what has she been right about? There's no reason to believe that Hillary Clinton's experiences qualify for anything except for retirement.
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GUILFOYLE: Ha, ha, ha.
BOLLING: All right, KG. Hillary's campaign, guys, says she's the most transparent -- well, I think he said secretary of state. However, he went on to say she released all her e-mails -- really? What about the 30,000 that she --
GUILFOYLE: No. And the how many years is it going to take?
PERINO: Seventy five.
BOLLING: Clinton Foundation --
GUILFOYLE: Yes, 75 years, like somewhat like (inaudible). Seventy five years to be able to get through all the rest? I mean, come on. I mean, yeah, she's wrong on all those things. So if you want to win and win big, just bet against whatever she's saying is going to happen. I mean, that's what seems to be the case. You know, wrong about -- yeah, Benghazi, Libya, Syria, Russia reset, all of the above.
So the problem is you have somebody that you would reward and promote, which they tend to do in that administration, with the top job as commander in chief but based on what qualifications? That's not a winning season. OK? If that's in baseball, where do you get sent? You get sent back down to the farm. You know? Like you ain't going to play in the big leagues.
BOLLING: Juan, if she's so transparent, why will she just not release those transcripts or speeches? You want to be just -- just be the most...
BOLLING: ... transparent person in the race. Release the speech transcripts.
WILLIAMS: I think she wasn't going to be bullied, intimidated. That's what she feels.
But you know, from my perspective, why not? Let it all out. Just get it out.
I have the same feeling about Trump and his tax returns. Let them out.
GUILFOYLE: Apt point.
WILLIAMS: But the thing is that, when you say anything about her lack of transparency -- and I agree with you about the speeches -- then everybody on the Democratic side says, "Oh, gee, all presidential candidates for how long have been letting out their tax returns. Donald Trump, Mr. Big Business, he won't touch it."
BOLLING: Dana, am I making too much out of this? Or would we love to see what she actually told Wall Street when she was being paid to talk to them versus what she's saying she's going to do to them if she's president?
PERINO: Well, I think it's a good point. But I do think it's hard if you're Donald Trump -- I think you're both making good points. But it's hard to demand transparency from speeches, which are not a legally binding document, when you're not willing to release your tax returns. And I think for both of them, those are going to be the big issues.
The next big thing for both -- for this campaign is the conventions. Conventions actually could matter in this election, because they're pretty much tied at -- with their unfavorables. Donald Trump's a little bit higher than hers. She's not doing as well in some of the blue states, like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. He's not doing well in some of the red states. And one of the things you don't want to have to do is campaign and spend resources in places where you should be able to easily win. So the map is a little bit scrambled. That's why I think the conventions will really matter.
BOLLING: Tucker, do you want that? Do you want transparency or do you want polls? What do you want?
CARLSON: I would like transparency.
BOLLING: Go for it.
CARLSON: I just don't think it's a great argument against her. So the argument against her is she's corrupt. Everyone knows that. I mean...
PERINO: It's a given.
CARLSON: It's a given. It's baked in the cake.
Here's the real argument against Hillary. She has contempt for you. If you vote in a way that she doesn't like, she's happy to see some judge overturn it. She wants to completely change the composition of the country, and she wants you to change your behavior. That means she doesn't like you, America. And it's true.
If we're married and I say, "I love you so much. I just want to change your appearance through plastic surgery and get a new personality while you're at it," what am I saying to you? I'm saying actually, I don't like you. I want another wife. That's what...
BOLLING: Well, you like him for president?
CARLSON: No. If you are committed to mass immigration that changes the composition of the country completely and you're committed to lecturing the middle class about habits and customs they've been -- they're invested in for generations, what you're saying is, "I hate you." And that's true. And he should say that.
BOLLING: Let me do a quick round. K.G., I'm not going to...
BOLLING: Go with this. The polls.
GUILFOYLE: This is America.
BOLLING: There's a poll that has Hillary Clinton up by 12 or 13. There's another one that has her up by 5. And she -- they're very close in some of the swing states. Your thoughts?
GUILFOYLE: Right. So you know, obviously, there's some disparity there. I think you have to wait for, like, another set.
Some of that is before the Brexit voting, the results. That's another factor. So who knows if that's going to produce any shift, right? But obviously, she's got some kind of momentum there. But, you know, OK.
BOLLING: Juan, invariably two or three of his worst weeks in more than a year. Donald Trump's still hanging in there in a lot of polls. Is that -- could that be seen as a good sign?
WILLIAMS: Well, you know, it's not from Republican insiders don't say that to me. What they say is that he's missed an opportunity to really take off, that he wasted a couple weeks here.
I would say this about the polls, that there's some people, I think, on the blogs who are saying, "Well, they're counting more Democrats. It's over- weighted for Democrats." And in fact, it's not. I mean, but even if you did that, it's still that she's up, on average, in all the polls about 5 points.
GUILFOYLE: FOX says we don't. That's not true.
WILLIAMS: FOX said what?
GUILFOYLE: FOX says we don't.
WILLIAMS: No, no, I said that in all the polls, including FOX, she's up. She's up.
But what I was going to say to you was that what's really telling to me is that the falloff is not so much over-weighted Democrats. It's that there are Republicans who are buying off of Donald Trump. That's the phenomenon that I see in the polls.
BOLLING: Quick thoughts on the polls, Dana?
PERINO: I think that the commentary on the polls from the weekend that, if you said, well, those are not good for Trump, it sort of assumes that she will not do anything to implode over the next 18 weeks, and 18 weeks is a really long time to go.
So what we're looking at now is a snapshot in time. It's hard to predict out. And I think that the polls after the Fourth of July are really important. And then I think that the next big issue or event will be the conventions. And he only has about 77 support -- 77 percent support of Republicans now. The last several elections, Republicans have been able to get 90 percent of that vote. So he's got some work to do there.
BOLLING: His work is in the nonwhite vote.
BOLLING: He's getting crushed now. How does he turn that around?
CARLSON: He's got to turn everything around. If the election were held today, he'd lose to Hillary Clinton, and she'd be the president of the United States; and this country would be totally different forever if that were to happen. This is not a joke.
They're not taking it seriously enough. He's not self-disciplined enough. Obviously, if you watch him, you know that's true. This is an emergency.
He can pull it out. He can win.
CARLSON: But now is the time to get really -- stop with this nonsense whining about the polls. Who cares? You need to get a message out that's a real message, a winning message and start talking about it.
BOLLING: You know what I care about? Three Supreme Court justices to be appointed in the next term, probably. At least two, maybe a third one. The Supreme Court, by the way, ruled today on the biggest abortion case in nearly a quarter of a century. The outcome next.
WILLIAMS: Two big Supreme Court rulings today. We'll begin with a huge victory for the abortion rights movement.
In a 5-3 vote, the Supreme Court struck down parts of a Texas law that would have led to the closure of many abortion clinics and potentially set a precedent nationwide. Justices ruled the state cannot put an undue burden on the right of the woman to terminate her pregnancy.
Hillary Clinton celebrated the decision. She called it a victory for women across America and a reminder of how much is at stake in this election.
WILLIAMS: ... so what we know is that, under the Texas law, you went from about 42 clinics in the state down to 19, because what they required was that the doctors performing the abortions have privileges at a nearby hospital and that the buildings be constructed by clinic -- medical clinic standards. It couldn't just be a stand-alone building. What do you think?
GUILFOYLE: Well, the idea behind it, the people are saying that we need to make sure these rules are enforced, that they wanted to make sure that women's health and reproductive rights are being adequately protected by having licensed facilities that have doctors that have admitting privileges, should there be a problem in one of these outpatient care facilities, if someone needed to then receive medical care. So it sounds like a good idea.
The proponents [SIC], you know, that were against it, that were suing say this violates the rights of women, et cetera, and is going to drastically create what's called an undue burden, which is the constitutional standard were putting forth those exactly statistics that you said, which in fact, came under question in terms of the accuracy of the numbers.
Ultimately, it's interesting, because it went down 5-3, and they vacated that stay from the Texas Fifth Circuit. But what I found interesting is, Dana, remember I covered that Gosnell trial. And the sense that, "Oh, what about this? What about, you know, women who -- babies that were killed and women who became sick at Dr. Gosnell, because that wasn't an adequate facility that didn't have -- you know, meet the guidelines.
They disavowed that specifically in the dissent and said, no, in fact, existing Texas law does have these requirements and does provide. And what you are suggesting is an undue burden, and that is the standard. So there you go.
GUILFOYLE: So Dana, are you surprised it was 5-3? Obviously, some conservative justices decided...
PERINO: Well, I think that the issue was -- Kimberly explains it so well. So it was a relatively narrow proposal, I think, in Texas, although, as Kimberly says, that they were able to convince the justices that it was an undue burden.
I think this comes at a time, as Eric is pointing out, the Supreme Court hangs in the balance in this next election. And interestingly, to me, there are more pro-life voters today than there ever has been before. And partly of that is because of faith or science or people voting their conscience. And if you are a pro-life voter, it's very hard to ever pull the lever for somebody that you don't think is truly pro-life. And so that hangs in the balance, as well.
WILLIAMS: All right. So the other case that was decided today was former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell. And here the Supreme Court sided with the governor, who had been convicted on bribery charges. And they said that they thought the government just went overboard in interpreting what constitutes a bribe -- Tucker.
CARLSON: Can I say one thing about the abortion case?
WILLIAMS: Of course.
CARLSON: Whatever you think about the subject, and we've had the debate over Roe v. Wade for 43 years now, Hillary Clinton's response is really revealing. It's a victory for women? Since when is abortion ever...
GUILFOYLE: I agree.
CARLSON: ... a victory for anyone?
CARLSON: It is the saddest, cruelest, most tragic thing. We can debate whether it ought to be legal, but the real debate is, is it a good thing? And she thinks it is. It's a nonnegotiable in her positions. It's the one thing she has never wavered on.
WILLIAMS: You know that it's more than Hillary Clinton. I mean, come on.
CARLSON: It's way more than Hillary Clinton.
WILLIAMS: Clearly, you have a women's rights movement who -- and I'm surprised, but it's now even in the language of the court today, the right to an abortion is treated as a right. A privacy right.
CARLSON: It's more than that. It's the enthusiasm about it. The jumping up and down. Really? Do you know any normal person who could get excited about an abortion? I find it so stark to me and revealing.
WILLIAMS: I happen to have a similar sense, but I do think that, if it's a matter of, you know, red team, blue team over are you pro-life or...
CARLSON: I get it, I get it. But are there some things -- that's just too much. You know what I mean?
GUILFOYLE: Yes. Should be looking for ways to save babies' lives and have women have babies instead of just terminating.
BOLLING: The most -- the most relevant part of the McDonnell case was a unanimous decision. So clearly, they -- the Supreme Court felt that the lower court overstepped their bounds. That's fine.
PERINO: That the liberals overstepped their bounds in Virginia when they went after McDonnell.
BOLLING: Right. Can I just point out that do you realize that a couple of days ago, the Supreme Court came down 4-4 on President Obama's executive order to allow 4-5 million illegals to stay in the country? It was a 4-4 tie, which...
BOLLING: ... sent it back to the lower court, which said no, he overstepped his bounds. This is why the next election is so important.
BOLLING: It doesn't matter if you hate Donald Trump. If you're not liberal, you don't want Hillary Clinton. It can be anybody in the Republican seat that has -- and by the way, Donald put out 11 people that he would put on the court, a list that he would choose from that would be far, far better choices than anyone that Hillary Clinton would put on the court.
PERINO: It's also incredibly important to keep the Senate.
BOLLING: Remember this. Immigration and guns will hit the Supreme Court in the next four years. Think about that before you vote.
WILLIAMS: Imagine how Democrats feel about the blocking of Merrick Garland at this point.
Ahead on "The Five," Justin Timberlake ignites a social media storm after complimenting actor Jesse Williams's BET awards speech. Huh? Why the singer eventually had to send out a string of apologies. Don't miss it, next.
CARLSON: There he is. The great, the multitalented Justin Timberlake. And yet he's catching some flack this morning for a tweet he put out about this speech by actor Jesse Williams at the BET Awards last night. Watch.
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JESSE WILLIAMS, ACTOR: If you have no interest in equal rights for black people, then do not make suggestions to those who do. Sit down.
We're done watching and waiting while this invention called whiteness uses and abuses us, burying black people out of sight and out of mind while extracting our culture, our dollars, our entertainment like oil, black gold, ghettoizing and demeaning our creations, then stealing them, gentrifying our genius, and then trying us on like costumes before discarding our bodies like rinds of strange fruit.
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CARLSON: "Gentrifying our genius," whatever that means. Well, Justin Timberlake was watching this at home, and he was inspired by it. So he sent out a tweet saying, "I'm inspired."
But that compliment did not sit well with some on social media. One person fired back on Twitter, saying, quote, "So does this mean you're going to stop appropriating our music and culture and apologize to Janet, too?" That would be Janet Jackson, of course. Timberlake later apologized, cringingly, to anyone who felt he was out of turn by doing that.
I'm a little confused, Juan, about this whole cultural appropriation thing. So if someone who looks like you did something impressive, no one who doesn't look like that person can benefit from it. So, for example, a Scottish physician discovered penicillin. Only Scots can have antibiotics? What does this mean?
WILLIAMS: Well, no...
WILLIAMS: History in this country. You know, the most famous example would be Elvis Presley.
WILLIAMS: Elvis Presley comes out of the South, and basically, he's doing black music but he's successful. You know, the hips and the dancing and everything. It's accessible to white audiences. He becomes a huge star, whereas a black artist would have not been accepted the same way.
I last heard this argument, actually, when remember, Paul Simon, when he came back from South Africa. And he had that "Graceland," fabulous album, and there were students at Howard who said, "You are appropriating South African black music and bringing it to the United States."
Actually, I think it was a gift. I thought it was exposure. It brought that music to our attention in a way no one had done before.
CARLSON: Amen. I felt exactly, it was a great -- it was a great album. So Dana, what should Justin. Should Justin just say, "Buzz off. I was trying to be nice"?
PERINO: I think that Justin Timberlake had the right answer at the end, which is he said, "I never should have tweeted about it in the first place." Which is probably usually the best answer for everyone. Twitter, seems to just get people in situations...
PERINO: ... that they end up having to apologize.
But I'm confused about this. So globalism is bad except for when it's good?
CARLSON: I know.
PERINO: Can you help me figure that out? Let me know when globalism is OK.
GUILFOYLE: This is so ridiculous. I'm beginning to see why you went off Twitter. Right?
CARLSON: Yes, I did.
GUILFOYLE: No good deed goes unpunished. I mean, look at this. He was just trying to be nice and say, "OK, great speech." By the way, I did not know that actor -- he's on "Gray's Anatomy." I didn't know he was so angry. He seemed so upset.
GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I mean, I feel like there's things that go wrong, but...
CARLSON: So you're watching the BET Awards last night. What did you think?
BOLLING: I was watching the Olympic trials, the U.S. championships. I guess that's what it was. People were qualifying for the Olympics.
But I saw this this morning. Justin Timberlake, you're right, is extremely talented. He was an idiot to agree with that commentary by Jesse Williams.
BOLLING: Jesse Williams, where did that come from?
GUILFOYLE: That's what I'm saying.
BOLLING: I mean, the reason why rappers are living in -- driving Mercedes Benzes and living in neighborhoods is because they're selling their music, not just to the black community, but to the white community. Every suburban white kid thinks he's the next rap star. He thinks he's the next Jay-Z, rapping all over the place.
WILLIAMS: Much to my consternation.
BOLLING: ... he should be happy that white...
GUILFOYLE: It's Jay-Z or it's Eminem or Vanilla Ice.
BOLLING: The African-American or hip-hop music, because of their finance...
CARLSON: I think we're very close to solving this, but unfortunately, I was being told we're out of time.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. Very close.
CARLSON: "One More Thing" is up next. Stay tuned.
PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." I'm going to go first, because in case you missed it, in West Virginia, they've been dealing with horrific floods and historic flooding, and the rain is coming again. There are 23 people have already died in this situation. And Brad Paisley had a great tweet. He's a country music star. He said, "Hey, media, in all the hoopla about this E.U./Britain stuff, don't forget about West Virginia. Show people what's happening there."
And you can help by going online and researching information about who to help. I talked to Chris Stirewalt, our resident political analyst who is from West Virginia, and he said that UnionMission.com could be a good place to check out. So we wish everybody there well and we're thinking about you.
GUILFOYLE: Especially the family.
Well, a quick programming note. I'll be doing a Facebook live tonight at 6:15 Eastern, so please join me on my Facebook page. And the first 25 people the stream get a free autographed book. And I'll also be on with the great Greta at 7.
And now, I want to tell you about an incredible reporter, who was honored over the weekend. It's been almost a year since the tragic murders of WDBJ-7 journalists Alison Parker and Adam Ward, their lives cut short when a gunman opened fire during a live television broadcast. And on Saturday, Alison was awarded the Emmy for outstanding reporter at the 58th national Capitol Chesapeake Bay Emmy Awards in Baltimore.
Her family, along with her boyfriend and fellow journalist Chris Hurst accepted the award on Alison's behalf. They will be missed, not forgotten. Hearts and prayers to their family.
BOLLING: OK. So finally, this has been a long process, but "Wake Up America" comes out tomorrow. But the book is already a national No. 1 best seller on Amazon and -- I'm sorry, national No. 1 best seller in nationalism, No. 8 in politics. But check this out. Look on the back of this. See this? See this? It's Bill O'Reilly. I'll be on Bill O'Reilly tonight to talk about the book, and he grills me. He asked me three tough questions of the book, and he read the book. So look for that tonight at 8 p.m.
PERINO: Congratulations on that. And Juan.
WILLIAMS: Archaeologists in Mexico made a big find. In a village outside of Mexico City, they found the bones of a 14,000-year-old mammoth. It's funny. They found this when the workers were installing drains.
Anyway, the skeleton was almost completely intact, massive tusks still attached. And why they think it's exciting: What they're really interested in is the fact that the bones were scattered, meaning that human beings at some point cut up this animal for its meat and its skin, which is, I believe, unbelievable. Anyway, scientists are hoping now to reassemble the fossils for display.
BOLLING: Very good.
GUILFOYLE: Wait, that we ate meat?
WILLIAMS: A mammoth.
PERINO: Tucker, you're next. Go.
CARLSON: Did it taste like chicken?
So Paul LePage, the governor of Maine, which is the greatest state in the union, long been my favorite governor. Turns out his wife is even cooler. Her name is Ann LePage. She just took a job. She's the first lady of Maine, waiting tables at a restaurant in Blue Bay Harbor. Why is she doing this? Not for publicity, because she needs the dough. Her husband is the lowest paid governor in the nation, 70 grand a year. She wants to buy a new car. Predictably, entitled smug liberals are mocking her, but she's cool and an example to the rest of us.
PERINO: Mocking her?
GUILFOYLE: I'm very proud of her.
PERINO: All right. Set your DVRs so you never...
GUILFOYLE: Good for her.
PERINO: ... miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.
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