Did DOJ edit 'uncensored' transcript of Orlando shooter?
Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Doug Schoen and Monica Crowley examine the document on 'Hannity'
This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," June 20, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." And tonight, after coming under heavy criticism for censoring references to ISIS in the transcript of the Orlando terrorist's 911 phone call, well, the Department of Justice has now reversed itself and its decision and has released an unredacted version.
It reads, quote, "The dispatcher answers the call, Orlando police dispatcher. Omar Mateen responds, Omar Mateen. Then the dispatcher says, Emergency, 911, this is being recorded. He replies, In the name of God, the merciful, the beneficent. The dispatcher says, What? Mateen then proclaims, Praise be to God and prayers, as well as peace be upon the prophet of God. And I want to let you know I'm in Orlando and I did the shootings. Dispatcher asks, Well, what's your name? Mateen responds, My name is I pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr al Baghdadi of the Islamic State. The dispatcher ask again, OK, what's your name? Well, then Mateen says, I pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr al Baghdadi. May God protect him on behalf of the Islamic State. The dispatcher then asks, All right, where are you at? He replies, In Orlando. The dispatcher responds, Well, where in Orlando?"
And that's where the call ends.
Also tonight in the wake of the Orlando terror attack, Donald Trump is suggesting America may need to use profiling to stop the next terror attack. Watch this.
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DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I think profiling is something that we're going to have to start thinking about as a country. And other countries do it. And you look at Israel and you look at others, and they do it, and they do it successfully. And you know, I hate the concept of profiling. But we have to start using common sense.
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HANNITY: And earlier today, former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani agreed with Trump's comments. Let's take a look.
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RUDY GIULIANI, R-FMR. NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: Of course you profile! That's what policing's all about. Here's where it's wrong. It's when you do it based on race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation just for that reason, just because you don't like them. But if you're doing it based on hard facts that leads to protection of the public, like a group of one type...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you have no problem with what he said.
GIULIANI: I have no problem. Of course you should profile based upon hard facts.
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HANNITY: Joining us now, the author of "Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War." He is the distinguished chair of military theory at Marine Corps University, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
Dr. Gorka, let me -- let me start with -- I don't believe for a minute that this is the accurate transcript. Now, we've been told that this was translated out of the Arabic and that they came up with the idea of God. Why do I suspect if we hear the tape that he says Allah? Is that a fair guess on my part?
SEBASTIAN GORKA, "DEFEATING JIHAD" AUTHOR: Of course, it's not the accurate transcript. You're absolutely right, Sean. When you are a jihadi, you don't use the word "God." What was he witness shouting in the nightclub as he was mowing down his fellow Americans? He wasn't shouting, God is the greatest, in English. He was shouting, Allah-u Akbar. So the idea that suddenly, he translates into English for the dispatcher is absurd.
We won a really significant victory today, Sean. Common sense won a victory against the political narrative of the DOJ. But they're still trying to fleece us. They're still conning us by saying that he said God. He didn't say God to the dispatcher. He clearly said Allah.
HANNITY: Listen, I would bet any amount of money. Now, they said it was from the Arabic interpretation and that their interpretation is God. But I would bet probably very clearly we would hear the word, Allah, wouldn't we?
GORKA: Absolutely. If he's doing it in front of his victims, how would he do anything different when he's calling up the dispatcher? So we've won a big victory against political correctness, but they're still pushing back on us, Sean.
HANNITY: All right, you talk about this being a winnable war. Donald Trump brought up the issue of profiling, always highly controversial. I know that they do it in Israel. They do it in other countries. We have limited amount of resources as it comes to, for example, the TSA and waiting on line and getting on an airplane, and you know, they select certain people, some randomly, some others, in terms of who gets wanded, who gets extra attention.
Should we be wasting those resources on 95-year-old women in wheelchairs or kids in baby carriages? Or if somebody has a Pakistani, Afghan passport, Syrian passport, maybe we ought to spend more time on them. Is that discriminatory, in your view, or is that common sense?
GORKA: I have to agree with Mayor Giuliani. Profiling leaves a bad taste in the mouth. It's a pejorative word. But really, it's a synonym for common sense. If you're looking for a 6-foot-4 blond white-skinned bank robber, you don't go hunting down 4-foot-2 black women. It just doesn't make any sense.
Likewise, if you're looking at jihadis, the majority of whom are actually men of a certain age, men of a certain ethnicity and men who follow one religion in particular, what is the point, as you say, in patting down an 82-year-old Episcopalian grandmother?
It's craziness. It's, gain, political correctness that spreads us so thin that we are not able to protect our fellow citizens.
HANNITY: All right, Dr. Gorka, always appreciate you being with us. Thank you, sir.
GORKA: Thank you, Sean.
HANNITY: Also here tonight with reaction, former Clinton pollster, FOX News contributor Doug Schoen, and from The Washington Times, FOX News contributor Monica Crowley.
Doug, don't you think it said Allah?
DOUG SCHOEN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Yes, I think it probably did.
HANNITY: (INAUDIBLE) you think it said Allah?
MONICA CROWLEY, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Of course.
HANNITY: So then why are they lying to us?
SCHOEN: I don't know why they're lying. But the real issue to me is, can we develop a coherent strategy to prevent domestic and global terror?
HANNITY: But you're missing the bigger picture. It started in 2009. We have a guy on this program that was an original founder of the Department of Homeland Security, and he's going to tell our audience tonight that when Obama became president, he was told to scrub the names of Muslims that they had built up over time, since it was founded in 2003, in a six-year period -- scrub the names of Muslims that were tied to radicals.
Why would Obama do that? Why would he say man-caused disasters, workplace violence, overseas contingencies, the JV team?
SCHOEN: Because he's not sufficiently committed to doing what I just said needs to be done, which is to have a coherent plan to eradicate global terror and domestic terror. We need to declare war on ISIS. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, that must be done.
HANNITY: But Hillary and Obama have been wrong every step of the way. They -- and think about this, Monica. Fast and Furious, guns to kidnappers and cartels, release the Gitmo detainees, give $150 billion to Iran, give Mohamed Morsi, who refers to Jews as descendants of apes and pigs, F-16s.
CROWLEY: President Obama and Hillary Clinton are not wrong. They know exactly what the threat is. They just refuse to deal with it. When you ask why the president is approaching this this way, and he's done so for the last seven-and-a-half years, it's because he is ideologically allergic to linking Islam with terror.
And the reason for that is because he is ideologically allergic to any kind of sustained, serious military engagement in the Middle East. If he makes this linkage, Sean, then he would be forced to take more aggressive action...
HANNITY: He -- listen...
CROWLEY: ... against ISIS...
HANNITY: Very few...
CROWLEY: ... and Islamist groups around the world, and he will not do that!
HANNITY: He created the vacuum for ISIS because he politicized the war, as did Hillary, and they pulled out early and ISIS filled the void.
All right, let's examine -- this is almost pathological, from my perspective. Let's go back, and let's quote Nicholas Kristof. This is The New York Times, in an interview with Obama talking about his time in Jakarta in a Muslim school.
He actually was quoted as saying, "Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent and a remark that seems delightfully uncalculated. It'll give Alabama voters heart attacks. Obama described the call to prayer as one of the prettiest sounds at sunset."
OK. And then let's look at his comments. Remember, he thought ISIS was the JV team. Before Paris, he said ISIS was contained. He's been wrong every step of the way. Let's go to his comments on Islam.
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism. It is an important part of promoting peace.
Our enemies respect no religious freedom. Al Qaeda's cause is not Islam. It's a gross distortion of Islam.
The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.
ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim.
We have reaffirmed again and again that the United States is not and never will be at war with Islam. Islam teaches peace.
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HANNITY: All right, Doug. I listen...
SCHOEN: Right.
HANNITY: The Islamic State is not Islamic. Then he releases Gitmo prisoners. Then he gives guns to drug runners and drug cartels. Then he gives arms to Mohamed Morsi, formerly of the Muslim Brotherhood. All of these things tells me -- and then he says all these things about Islam.
How can he be so wrong so often about the number one threat that this country faces?
SCHOEN: All I can say, Sean, is we need dramatically...
HANNITY: That's not my question. How can he be so wrong?
SCHOEN: I don't know. I can't read his mind. I can tell you, as a policy maker, we need to declare war, send troops to the Middle East...
HANNITY: Hillary's not going to do that. You're supporting Hillary.
SCHOEN: She has said that this is radical Islamic...
HANNITY: She was there -- wait a minute! She was there every step of the way, there for Fast and Furious, there for the release of detainees, there for the beginning of the negotiations with Iran, there for the money for Morsi!
SCHOEN: She is being held accountable by you and others. She is moving in the right direction. Donald Trump needs a plan, which has yet to be articulated...
HANNITY: All right, last word, Monica.
SCHOEN: That's what's most important.
CROWLEY: Yes, I mean, you run this montage. Here we are, seven-and-a-half years into this man's presidency, and people are still trying to figure out who he is and what he believes.
His father was a Muslim. His stepfather was a Muslim. He spent a good deal of time in Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country in the world. He clearly has an affinity for Islam, OK?
That has informed all of his decisions to this very day. Now, the question is, to Doug's point, yes, of course, we need that strategy. We will never get it under this president. So we better hope to God we survive the next six-and-a-half months of his presidency until we get a new commander-in- chief!
HANNITY: Hillary's no better. She was there for all the bad decisions!
CROWLEY: Secretary of state!
SCHOEN: But Sean, Donald Trump has to articulate a plan. It hasn't been available yet.
HANNITY: He did have his foreign policy speech. He did say we're going to bomb the living out of them.
SCHOEN: But he says he's going to pull back from Europe and pull back from the Middle East!
HANNITY: No, he said he's going to be America first and we're going to let the others do the fighting.
SCHOEN: Sean, we need...
HANNITY: It's very clear.
SCHOEN: We need to declare war, and that means the U.S. needs to be involved.
HANNITY: Coming up, will Hillary Clinton's numerous scandals end up crippling that campaign? "13 Hours" author Kris "Tanto" Paronto and Kimberly Guilfoyle are here with reaction.
Then later tonight...
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WAYNE LAPIERRE, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND CEO: They don't want to face the embarrassment of their failure in this terrorist area, and they want to cover their butts and not talk about it. You can't save the country with politics.
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HANNITY: Wayne LaPierre of the NRA is slamming Democrats over their response to the Orlando terror attack. He joins us tonight.
Plus, well, two conservative government whistleblowers are now sounding the alarm about political correctness. And guess what? They had lists of Muslims with ties to radical groups. And since Obama's been president, they were told to scrub those names!
You don't want to miss that interview straight ahead.
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HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity." Hillary Clinton's campaign is rolling out new ads in swing states all in an effort to defeat Donald Trump in November. But will her server scandal and the fact that the Clinton Foundation has taken millions of dollars from countries with atrocious human rights records end up derailing this campaign?
Kris "Tanto" Paronto -- he's one of the "13 Hours" co-authors. Now, he's heading up an anti-radical Islam campaign that will be targeting Hillary Clinton, and they've released a brand-new video about why a commander-in- chief needs to, quote, "lead from the front, not behind." Watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Radical Islam is basically terrorism in a nutshell. It wants to not only put down Western values, wants to kill anybody that supports those Western values, which is freedom, which is Christianity, and which is also anything that looks poorly on sharia law.
We've allowed it, again, to grow into something that it shouldn't be. And it's becoming stronger and stronger every day that we don't lead from the front. Obama and Hillary, by avoiding the phrase, "radical Islam," they're being politically correct. They don't see it for what it is, and that's straight-up destroying the Western world.
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HANNITY: Kris Paronto joins us, alongside the co-host of "The Five," Kimberly Guilfoyle. That's a pretty powerful ad. Hillary Clinton wasn't awake at 3:00 AM, was she.
KRIS "TANTO" PARONTO, CHAIRMAN, LEADING FROM THE FRONT: I don't think so. We didn't get any help, so my common sense says, No, she was not.
HANNITY: But I want to remind our viewers -- so Ambassador Stevens, four people killed, Glen Doherty, Ty Woods...
PARONTO: My teammates, yes.
HANNITY: Sean -- yes, all these guys were killed, including the ambassador. He had requested security how many times?
PARONTO: Leading up six months prior, he was requesting multiple times. I don't even have a number. It was continually, We need more security, more machine guns, more personnel.
HANNITY: And during this Benghazi terror attack, you were told to stand down.
PARONTO: We were told on the team by our CIA officials, and then for some reason, the Department of Defense and the jets at Aviano Air Base and the Fast Company Marines at Sigonella were told not to assist us. And I don't know why.
HANNITY: And then afterwards, she told the Libyan president, Egyptian prime minister and her own daughter this was a terror attack, but she told the American people that this was a spontaneous demonstration related to a YouTube video and the y just happened to have RPGs in their back pocket while they were demonstrating spontaneously!
PARONTO: That's what happens when you get civilians involved with military...
HANNITY: So she lied. You know she lied.
PARONTO: Of course, and to the families, as well.
HANNITY: And people's -- and lives could have been saved either during or before if they would have acted properly.
PARONTO: If they would have at least attempted, even just giving an attempt. And that's where it's egregious. It should never have happened.
HANNITY: So a stand down order was given.
PARONTO: To us, as far as the CIA...
HANNITY: Because people -- I listen to liberal commentators. They say, Oh, that never happened.
PARONTO: Well, who -- how -- come on, now.
HANNITY: You were there.
PARONTO: It's what happened. And we reported to it and so has (INAUDIBLE) the gentleman who was told to stand down.
HANNITY: You watch the news today, Kimberly -- everyone calls her K.G. You watch the news today, and what do we hear? We see that the Justice Department literally wants to take out any reference to this terrorist pledging his life to ISIS and his allegiance to ISIS. And you have to ask yourself why? Why would they do that?
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, "THE FIVE" CO-HOST: Well, obviously, it's a cover-up. They want to whitewash the history. They want to whitewash the timeline, and the chronology, as Kris has pointed out, demonstrates that, in fact, help was available, help could have been sent and specifically was shut down and not sent to these men in need that were fighting with their lives and giving up everything they had to try and protect the ambassador.
And when you look at the repeated attempts by the ambassador to get help, you know, every single time turned down. Like, who needs friends like Hillary Clinton...
HANNITY: But the history here...
GUILFOYLE: ... and who needs a commander-in-chief like that?
HANNITY: Since Obama's president, man-caused disasters, workplace violence, overseas contingency operations. And then there's this larger issue. I'll put it up on the screen. I'm not going to read it as I have in the last couple of days, but you know, she's taken money from Saudi Arabia. She's taken money from Kuwait. She's taken money from the UAE, atrocious records as it relates to women and gays and lesbians and Christians and Jews.
She took millions of dollars, and she never spoke out. Donald Trump shamed her into sort of kind of speaking out.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, and this is the problem. She really has to look at the ethics involved here and the integrity, and this would be a compromise commander-in-chief, and that's the nice way of putting it because this is somebody who's in bed with the Saudis, that has been complicit and involved with groups that are state sponsors of terrorism, right, that don't treat women right, that don't treat gays right.
So if you think about it, the left and certainly the gay community should be completely on the other side because the conservative ones are, in fact, protecting them!
HANNITY: And women.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
HANNITY: I mean, she's getting millions from -- and the support of women, and there's a gender gap. And here it is, she took money from countries -- here's a question. You know these countries.
PARONTO: Yes.
HANNITY: You know about radical Islamists. You've fought them.
PARONTO: Of course.
HANNITY: You lived this.
PARONTO: Ten years.
HANNITY: When you see she took money from all these countries that are under sharia, that treat women horribly, kill gays and lesbians and execute them, at least 10 of the countries, and you look at the money base, and she never criticized them. Is that blood money? Did they buy her silence?
PARONTO: Again, looking at from my point of view, yes, she did. You got to go back to common sense. Of course she did. If she's going to be taking money from radical Islamists and she's going to be putting it in her campaign, trying to win her campaign, utilizing political correctness to not say radical jihad, to not say radical Islam, then...
HANNITY: How did the jihadists...
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HANNITY: How did the jihadists -- and you know them as well as anybody...
PARONTO: Sure.
HANNITY: Did they interpret that as weakness?
PARONTO: Oh, yes.
HANNITY: In other words, that we can't say radical Islam...
PARONTO: Always.
HANNITY: ... that they would edit out what the terrorist in Orlando actually said?
PARONTO: And they will utilize it to their advantage in their campaign on social media, which they are experts at.
HANNITY: In other words, they would use it in what way, to say that...
PARONTO: Hey, lookit. Look what we're doing to this great country. Look what we're doing to America. They're not as strong as they once were. And I've seen that for the last eight years.
HANNITY: Yes.
PARONTO: A perfect example was when we were leaving -- when we were in Kandahar and Obama was elected. My guy that I was fighting with, my Kandahar security force, came up to me and knew that we were leaving.
HANNITY: And you knew -- they knew.
PARONTO: He came up to me said, You guys are leaving us, aren't you? I said, That's not my call, buddy. Sorry.
HANNITY: And you knew early on ISIS wasn't the JV team.
PARONTO: No.
HANNITY: ISIS wasn't contained.
PARONTO: Ansar Sharia was not the JV team.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
PARONTO: Al Qaeda in the Maghreb was still there. That's who attacked us.
HANNITY: And we -- we didn't have them on the run at any point during the Obama years.
PARONTO: And it goes back to winning elections. Politically correct -- political correctness hurts us guys down range, and it causes deaths.
HANNITY: Good to see you, Kris.
PARONTO: You, too, brother.
HANNITY: We get it on every time you -- you want to tell everybody on TV what you did outside my radio studio today?
PARONTO: Should I show them or...
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HANNITY: No, don't show them. Just tell them what you did.
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: We're friends, and what is the first thing you did?
PARONTO: I gave you the bird.
(CROSSTALK)
PARONTO: It's love. It's Ranger love from here.
HANNITY: That's Ranger love?
(CROSSTALK)
GUILFOYLE: I'm protecting him!
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Later tonight here on "Hannity"...
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WAYNE LAPIERRE, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND CEO: The politically correct policies of the White House are intruding right now in military, terrorism, law enforcement. It's all being politicized.
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HANNITY: The NRA's Wayne LaPierre does not mince words when it comes to his feelings about the Obama administration and how it is making this country less safe. Wayne LaPierre will join us coming up.
And then later, two government whistleblowers. You don't want to miss this. They expose how they were literally told to scrub the names of Muslims in this country that had terror ties. That's an interview you cannot miss right here tonight on "Hannity."
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HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity." Now, in the aftermath of the deadly terror attack in Orlando, many on the left -- they have been out in full force trying to blame this attack not on the terrorists but on the NRA and guns.
Joining us now, executive vice president -- he's the CEO of the National Rifle Association -- Wayne LaPierre is back with us. Sir, good to see you again.
WAYNE LAPIERRE, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND CEO: Hi. Good to be with you, Sean.
HANNITY: You know, let me just put up -- the day after this attack -- now, it's a very liberal newspaper, but it just captures the left, I think, in a lot of ways. The Daily News cover after the attacks, "Thanks, NRA." And you know what? They've been taking cheap shots and attacks against you.
You have rightly said this is nothing but a cheap ploy on the side of the left and they've gotten the entire issue wrong. I want you to explain that position.
LAPIERRE: Yes, exactly, Sean. I mean, they can play this game, but they're coming. These terrorists are coming. And this is one of the greatest abandonments of the American public by the political class and their media elite enablers that I've ever seen.
They all know this is a terrorism issue. They don't want to talk about it. They don't want to talk about their failures. It's an embarrassment to them. So they want to divert attention and say, Hey, this is all gun control.
It is tragic that we're not having a discussion right now of terrorism and how we protect this country because they're coming, and it's going to get worse and it's going to get worse, and we better prepare.
HANNITY: You know, I agree with you. We're having that discussion here. The president has been wrong on every major issue as it relates to ISIS. They're not the JV team. He created the vacuum for them. He's the guy that said they were contained. He's been wrong every step of the way.
But this is really the heart of this. You said that ISIS, from your perspective, and radical Islamists are on the verge of overwhelming us. Do you really think it's that bad?
LAPIERRE: Yes, I absolutely do. I mean, they are. And the fact is that they are not going to get hard targets that are protected by government, armed security. They're going to look for vulnerabilities. They're going to look for shopping malls. They're going to look for churches.
We need a full-scale effort of preparedness on how we're going to protect our neighborhoods and our communities and ourselves and get ready for this. The 2nd Amendment is a big part of that. It's the very essence of it.
But we have a president who lives in this makeup, imaginary, dreamy world of political correctness while ISIS spreads worldwide, while the street gangs and drug gangs in Chicago kill night after night after night.
HANNITY: Not a word.
LAPIERRE: Not a word. He turns his back on all of it.
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LAPIERRE: ... crazy, politically correct world...
HANNITY: Here's my question...
LAPIERRE: ... that he has dreamed up.
HANNITY: And I brought this up earlier in the show. This is the same president that gave arms, firearms that killed Brian Terry, a border agent in Operation Fast and Furious -- I mean, they didn't even put GPS on those guns. This is guy that releases Gitmo detainees. This is guy that gave $150 billion to the number one state sponsor of terror, Iran. This is the guy that gave Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood when he was president of Egypt F-16s and tanks.
And I'm trying to understand, who's really arming the wrong people that represent a clear and present danger to the country?
LAPIERRE: Well, it all stems from the fact that politically correct policies of the White House are intruding on the military. They're intruding on law enforcement. They're now intruding on the terrorism issue in the United States. It's this imaginary political correct world of the White House that has its nose and its fingers in all kinds of places it doesn't belong, and it's making the country more dangerous by the day.
I mean, let's just talk about Chicago. The killing is horrible there. Innocent people are being killed every night. He has federal gun laws on the books right now, where it's 10 to 20 years if you're a drug dealer with a gun on the street. If you're a criminal gang member on the street, the federal gun law is 10 to 20 years in federal prison, felon with a gun, five to ten years in federal prison, illegal trafficking, transfer.
If he would enforce those laws, pick them up right now, he'd get them off the street before they next -- they get to their next crime scene.
HANNITY: Yes.
LAPIERRE: But he won't do it. His attorney general, Loretta Lynch, won't do it. And people are paying the price and dying in this country because political correctness dictates for our president and his attorney general, they don't want to put any more people in jail.
HANNITY: Wayne, I became a marksman by the time I was 12-years-old. I've been around firearms my entire life. I've had a license to carry at least 35 years which I've carried my adult life, a license in Rhode Island, California, Alabama, Georgia, and in New York which is almost impossible to get.
Doesn't it really come down to this, if God forbid, anybody in this audience, if another situation arises, if we are on the verge as you say of being overwhelmed, if I'm in intern do San Bernardino, if I'm in Chattanooga, if I'm in Orlando or what happened in Paris or Belgium, do you want somebody like myself that's trained in the use of the firearm that believes in firearm safety, if this guy starts texting or making phone calls or drops his clip and is reloading, do you want somebody that's armed and responsible there? Because I do. If it wasn't me, I would want somebody else there that would have a chance of saving innocent people's lives. Why don't people seem to get that part of the argument?
LAPIERRE: Well, I tell you, I've said for years if you're in one of those situations, you pray that a good guy with a gun shows up, because the truth is, whether anybody likes it or not, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. And that's the hard reality of it.
HANNITY: Yes. What do you -- what is your answer to those people, I think, that have made this ridiculous claim -- I don't think most people understand the difference between an assault weapon and a non-assault weapon. It can be the same weapon but you might have some type of added feature that is meaningless to the gun. In other words, it's put on there for looks, not anything else. But what is your answer to those that call for more gun control?
LAPIERRE: The people that are doing the killing could care less about any of it. The fact, if it had worked, the Boston bombing wouldn't occurr. The San Bernardino killings wouldn't occur where they had every type of gun control law they wanted. Paris, my gosh, you can't even a gun over there for all practical purposes. They had fully automatic guns, they had bombs, they had IEDs, they had full terrorist networks.
What they need to understand is these killers, whether it's the drug gangs in Chicago or ISIS, they don't go, oh, gosh, they passed a law. I guess I can't do that. They don't care. They don't go, boy, they're thinking up another law to put on me. They could care less. It's like stopping a freight train with a piece of Kleenex. We need to get serious, confront ISIS, confront the drug gangs that are killing people in Chicago, and make this country safe. And President Obama is sure not going to do it and neither is Hillary Clinton. We need to change this country.
HANNITY: You know, first thing I would say to them if they're really concerned about gun violence, stop giving guns to drug cartels and kidnappers and gangsters. They can stop that. They can stop arming Mohamed Morsi, stop giving money to Iran. And, you know, I sit there and I say this is just insanity. And stop releasing Gitmo terrorists. That would help, too. Anyway, Wayne, thank you. Appreciate it.
LAPIERRE: Hey, thanks, Sean. Good to be with you.
HANNITY: Coming up, is political correctness literally putting your lives at risk? When we come back, you're going to meet two whistleblowers, one that actually helped create the Department of Homeland Security, the other from Department of Defense. Guess what, when Obama became president, they were both told to scrub the names of Muslims that apparently and might have had terror ties. Why did that order come down?
Also tonight, we'll see Jerry Falwell Jr. and Franklin Graham. They're in studio to preview their big meeting with Donald Trump tomorrow. Trump and the evangelical community, we'll debate that and more straight ahead.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So with the Obama administration refusing to use the term "radical Islam" and many other liberals seemingly more concerned about the so-called Islamophobia than with countering actual jihadists, well, could political correctness be putting you and your family and your lives at risk?
Joining us now are two former federal officials who are sounding the alarm on our government's inept policies, including the co-author of "See Something, Say Nothing, A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government's Submission to Jihad," former Department of Homeland Security official Philip Haney, as well as former Department of Defense official Rich Higgins. Phil, you founded the Department of Homeland Security in 2003, right?
PHILIP HANEY, FORMER DHS OFFICIAL: Yes, I was a founding member, March of 2003.
HANNITY: And when Obama became president, at some point in this first year in office you were given a dictate, a mandate to scrub the names of --
HANEY: It actually happened twice, and it was a year after the Holy Land Foundation trial in November of 2008. The records I modified the first time was about 850, all related to the Muslim Brotherhood network in United States which had already been proven in federal court to be tied to Hamas. The second time was on the network that San Bernardino and Orlando are related to. They didn't just modify them, they completely eliminated them.
HANNITY: You mean, these are people who had ties to terror organizations. Obama becomes president, you, one of the founding members of the Department of Homeland Security, and they told you to scrub the names of those people that you were building in a database to keep the country secure?
HANEY: That's right. And they knew because after the Holy Land trial, you can't say, well, we didn't know. It was proven in federal court by the Department of Justice that these front groups in United States like terror and ISNA and NAIT were tied to Hamas.
HANNITY: And you think that Orlando and maybe even San Bernardino could have been prevented if you had the information to connect the dots?
HANEY: Well, we're cops. That's our attitude. That's what we took our vow to protect the United States from, threats, is stop those things.
HANNITY: And is that your experience as well?
RICH HIGGINS, FORMER DOD OFFICIAL: It is my experience, Sean. I think Phil is an example of what we saw going on inside the national security apparatus writ large. So after we saw Democrats take control of Congress in 2006, the PC meter ticked up a little bit. And then over time with Obama coming in it was really consummated.
And I think the tipping point was actually in 2011 where we saw a series of articles in September of 2011 authored by Spencer Ackerman of journalist fame targeting specifically the FBI and later the DOD's training programs as it pertains to Islam. From those articles we saw action by Muslim advocates, a Muslim Brotherhood affiliate organization, writing a letter to the White House. At the time the national security adviser on combatting terrorism was Mr. John Brennan. Within about five days of that, we saw joint staff directives come out. They I saw Congressman Gohmert, last week on the air. That joint staff directive came out tasking the services to scrub their training material and specifically, and the key thing in this, Sean, is it was targeting intelligence.
HANNITY: So you're saying from the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, you were given a mass scrubbing of any intelligence we had gathered and spent probably billions of dollars accumulating that would have helped prevent, say it --
HANEY: It was top down. It started with the subject matter experts. We call them SMEs. And they went after the ones, there's two or three in each one of the major branches of the federal government involved with law enforcement. They went after people like us first. Once we were out of the way, then they had a very wide latitude to work.
HANNITY: So when they said "man-caused disasters," "overseas contingencies," and, you know, "workplace violence," that was all part of what you were dealing with privately behind the scenes. You know, the Homeland Security secretary now says we can't say "sharia," we can't say "jihad," it will offend people. You have a president and a presidential candidate that refuse to say "radical Islam."
HIGGINS: Sean, the scrubbed transcripts we saw put out today, for Phil and I looking at that, it looks like the past five or six years for us.
HANNITY: So that was exactly -- in other words, the scrub thing, don't tell the truth.
HANEY: Now it's broken out into the wide open where everybody can see it.
HANNITY: Let me ask you both. If Donald Trump becomes the president of the United States, thinking of all the work that you've done that Obama scrubbed out that made us less safe, right, fair statement?
HIGGINS: Sure.
HANNITY: Would you go back and be able to rebuild what was scrubbed?
HANEY: There's two components that are really important. The internal within the agencies, bring the guys back up to speed again of sworn officers. But there's another secondary repercussion that's really important. You'll be surprised how fast the word would get out around the world. And that's the secondary very, very important --
HANNITY: That would be beneficial to the safety and security of our country.
HANEY: That's right. They would know.
HIGGINS: Sean, I'll walk that up a little bit. We have no strategy in the war. We've heard this said over and over again by our senior general officers. The reason we have no strategy is because we don't understand the enemy. When we bring in the folks who understand the threat doctrine, the entire --
HANNITY: In other words, Islam, understand radical Islam.
HANEY: Sharia law.
HIGGINS: To understand it at the graduate school level. We're not talking about hey, I understand this.
HANNITY: Listen, I'm teaching people about sharia every night and what life is like, and Hillary takes money from countries that abuse women, gays, lesbians, Christians and Jews. I have got to run. You guys are both national heroes. I would love to see you back in your positions. Thank you.
All right, coming, Donald Trump set to meet with hundreds of Christian evangelical leaders tomorrow. Jerry Falwell Jr., Franklin Graham will be part of that group. They'll join me next straight ahead.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Now tomorrow, Christian leaders, evangelical leaders from all around the country, they are going to meet with 2016 presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump. What's going to be discussed? Joining us in studio, two men who will in attendance, Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. as well as the president of Samaritan's Purse, Reverend Franklin Graham. Good to see you guys. I've never seen you together.
REV. FRANKLIN GRAHAM, PRESIDENT, SAMARITAN'S PURSE: This guy is a great guy. He has got a great university.
HANNITY: I know. Believe me. It's growing by leaps and bound. It's done extraordinarily well. Let me start with you. You really took a big step and said I'm not voting for a preacher or a pastor. I'm looking for a president that can get the job done.
JERRY FALWELL JR., LIBERTY UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT: Right. That was after decades of conservative Republicans and career politicians have made promises to conservative and Christians that they just didn't fulfill. I just felt like it was time for somebody who was a citizen legislator like our founding fathers intended our country to be led by. And I just saw somebody who had succeeded in business who was bold and fearless in the face --
HANNITY: And he took some heat for it.
FALWELL: A lot of heat, yes.
HANNITY: And by the way, I don't think -- I think Franklin gets more heat than you for everything he does. You actually said something. By the way, are you supporting Donald Trump? I don't know if you are or not. You speak for yourself, not for Samaritan's Purse.
GRAHAM: Sean, what I've done this year is I'm not involved in any of the campaigns for any of the politicians. I'm going to all 50 state capitals and holding prayer rallies on the capital steps.
HANNITY: And you started this already?
GRAHAM: We've started this. We have already gone to 29 capitals. And Sean, we've seen thousands of people coming. Sean, they come in the middle of the day on a workday, and they come there to pray. They're not coming there to be entertained or hear a message from me. They're coming there to pray. We have thousands of people that come, because Sean, I have no hope, no hope in the Republican Party, and I have no hope in the Democratic Party. The only hope of this country is God. And in getting the people of God to begin to pray, now God uses people. He will use a person. And I hope --
HANNITY: You don't think he's using Hillary, do you?
GRAHAM: Sean, I don't know if I'll comment on that.
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GRAHAM: But the thing is we need, people need to pray. And I'm encouraging Christians to vote.
HANNITY: You even said the other day, we have this terrible terrorist attack. And you say how many more people have to die? You actually said it. I'm thinking, finally, they can't say "radical Islam."
GRAHAM: They can't, no.
HANNITY: Why?
GRAHAM: This is just my opinion. His father was Muslim. His stepfather was a Muslim. He went to Muslim schools. His whole frame of reference as a kid --
HANNITY: Then he went to Reverend Wright's church.
GRAHAM: But what I'm saying is that was as a young boy growing up, his model was Islam. And I think he's just been giving Islam a pass, one pass after another. And it's embarrassing, I think, to even people in the Democratic Party because they know the truth and Obama won't even say it.
HANNITY: But you endorsed and a lot of other pastors, and you're not a pastor. You're a president of a university. Your dad was a pastor. I was friends with your dad. You're taking heat for it. Why do you say we don't need a pastor, we need a leader?
FALWELL: Well, Jimmy Carter was a Sunday school teacher. My father supported Ronald Reagan over Jimmy Carter, and yesterday was father's day so I will tell my story about that. But he got a lot of heat for it. Reagan was a Hollywood actor. He was divorced, remarried. And then he got a little heat later for supporting George Bush senior over his friend Reverend Pat Robertson. And he just believed that when Jesus said render unto Caesar, he meant to be a good citizen. And that meant vote, and that meant serve your country.
HANNITY: You know how I take that, render unto Caesar that which is Caesar and God that which is God, and I'm not an expert here. You're a pro, reverend. I take it that Caesar didn't make anything. God made everything. So he gets nothing and God gets -- that is my take.
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HANNITY: Why are you laughing at me? That is not fair.
GRAHAM: You're good.
HANNITY: That's a good interpretation for a layman, right?
GRAHAM: Right.
HANNITY: Is there anything Donald Trump could say tomorrow that could persuade you to vote for him?
GRAHAM: It's not a question of persuading me.
HANNITY: Will you vote for him?
GRAHAM: Sean, I'm trying to stay out of this.
HANNITY: And I'm trying to drag you in it.
GRAHAM: I know. But I'm going to all 50 state capitals, and I want to pray for the country. But I appreciate a lot of things Donald Trump says and his vision for America. I think there is no question there is some legitimacy there.
HANNITY: Thank you all for being with us.
GRAHAM: Thank you.
HANNITY: A very important "Question of the Day" straight ahead.
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HANNITY: Time for our "Question of the Day." So, should we start profiling in order to help uncover the next terror plot? It's maybe something we better consider. Go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.
But that is all the time we have left this evening. Thank you for being with us. We'll see you back here tomorrow night.
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