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Orlando terrorist's concerning past, red flags ignored?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," June 17, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld, it's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Was Sunday's massacre in Orlando, preventable? There were a massive number of warning signs about Omar Mateen. We're now learning, as a kid he celebrated the 9/11 attacks. He also threatened to kill his classmates a few years ago. He said he hoped police would kill his wife and child so he could be a martyr. And we've also reported that the FBI was -- he was on the FBI's radar for three years. And just a few weeks ago, a gun store he visited alerted the FBI that someone tried to buy body armor and a thousand rounds of ammunition.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROBERT ABELL CO-OWNER OF LOTUS GUNWORKS: We did contact authorities and let them know we just had a suspicious person that was in here and there was nothing that would come of it. Our intuition was correct and it's just, it's very sad that we had him that close. He was that close that we, law enforcement could have got their hands on him.

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BOLLING: The feds never followed up because they didn't have a name. This week, the FBI's director said there's nothing different they could have done.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: We're also going to look hard at our own work to see whether there is something we could have done differently. So far, the honest answer is, I don't think so. I don't see anything in reviewing our work that our agents should have done differently.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: That's scary. But the agency's former assistant director has a different thought on that, his political correctness at the bureau to blame?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMES KALLSTROM, FORMER FBI DIRECTOR IN CHARGE: There are some things that I would do. Get this wet blanket of political correctness off the backs of law enforcement, off the backs of the FBI. The bureau is being told about what they can do and what they can't do. They can't go sniffing around, anything to do with Muslims. They can't go around to mosques. They can't do things that they would normally do. I'm not talking things that are off the tracks. I'm talking about things that normally would be done, but the orders have come down from the White House.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Greg, is that possible?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: It is. I believe it is possible, because you -- before you blame the FBI, the orders come from the top. These are all good people that are trying to do their jobs. And if the FBI actually followed their guts, they might actually get fired because if they actually looked at something unusual, that's profiling. And I mean, this guy, if he was a needle in the haystack, he was the space needle. I mean, you could see this needle from mars, but it all comes down to EBI, "Everything but Islam." Whenever there's an act of terror, its guns, its Christians, it's republicans, but they can't say Islamism because it's too politically incorrect. And nobody wants to lose their job, it comes from the top. I think they lack the manpower to do their jobs. It's not about changing the FBI; it's about changing the way they do business. I would defend the FBI on this because -- they didn't want this, either.

BOLLING: Yeah. Juan, does that scare the be Jesus out of you that Kallstrom said at the FBI, if it has to do with Muslims, they have to be careful and maybe not investigate to the full extent.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, a constitution protects people in terms of their religious freedoms in the country, so you have to be respectful of it. Now the question is profiling.

GUTFELD: The IRS wasn't.

WILLIAMS: Stop. And that, so you have to be, you have to be respectful of, of course, concerns over impinging on religious freedoms. You don't want to do that to anybody. The question was intrigue me, was he said it came from the White House. I have not heard this before, which it sounds political to me, but I'm not sure if it's true. It's an outrage. But I'm just, I have not heard this. I don't hear this from James Comey, who I think is a man of integrity. I have not heard this from the assistants. I don't hear this from FBI agents themselves. I hear they complain about lack of resources at times. They like more people. As Comey said earlier in the week, you're looking for a needle in a haystack.

BOLLING: If true, it is extremely scary.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: If true, but I -- I have to say, having worked at the White House, I've -- and I've worked at the Justice Department, too. I can't imagine an order like this.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

PERINO: . coming from the White House to law enforcement.

WILLIAMS: No.

PERINO: Now, the Civil Rights Division or that might be a different ball of wax, because as Gorka was saying the other day, those are political appointees that there's a point of view there. But in terms of law enforcement, I think it would be a huge red flag. If something, if someone from the White House has told the FBI, back off at them. I -- that to me that seems a little farfetched. However, I'm not the former deputy director of the FBI.

BOLLING: Sure.

PERINO: And he is.

BOLLING: KG, so many (inaudible), so many needles.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: I think that type of thing does happen in department. I've worked in DA offices. I worked with AG offices, U.S. attorneys -- the DA office in San Francisco. Death penalty is on the book in California. We would not prosecute or consider any case for death penalty at the direction of our head DA. That's the way it was.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: No. But I'm saying, these types of things where they say, OK, you know, don't, don't harass Muslims or don't do this. I think it could be understood without it being put in writing as a direct order. When you see the DOJ not prosecute black panthers out of voting booths, right, at the voting polls, because they're not going to harass them, but yet they'll turn and prosecute something else or you have the IRS going at -- I mean, this has been over and over again happening during this administration.

BOLLING: Is he -- is Kallstrom saying that maybe that these, these clues weren't put together because the FBI was afraid of being .

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: . as Islamophobic?

GUTFELD: I --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: Definitely think so. I mean, imagine --

BOLLING: Wow.

GUTFELD: Imagine if today, they invented a religion that advocated the killing of gays. We would not tolerate that. However, this is a religion that advocates that. There was an imam in Orlando who said before this massacre, you know, to calling for the death of gays. So we, or the Homeland, let's say, Homeland Security was rejecting, is rejecting terms like Jihad. They don't want to use terms like Jihad or Sharia, because they feel that alienates the youth in terms of propagandizing. However, an imam can talk about the killing of gays. To fight a cult, which is, this is the cult, you have to use the terminology of the cult, because how else can you explain what the cult and its practices are?

WILLIAMS: wait, wait. What's a cult here?

GUTFELD: What do you think it is?

WILLIAMS: I don't know what you're saying. Are you saying the entire religion is a cult?

GUTFELD: Islamism is a cult.

WILLIAMS: Oh.

GUTFELD: It's applying -- yes, it is. It's applying --

WILLIAMS: Are you saying .

GUTFELD: Islamism --

WILLIAMS: . Islam is an extremist?

GUTFELD: You know, I don't even know any more, and I really don't care.

WILLIAMS: All right, all right.

GUTFELD: Because I don't believe a religion affords any protection if they are connected to any kind of terror.

WILLIAMS: You mean --

GUTFELD: Islamism is applying the -- applying this -- a religion, politically. Sharia law is a part of Islamism.

WILLIAMS: OK. You mean, so you -- the theory, the kind of Islamism is the extreme --

GUTFELD: It's applying this religious, the religious doctrine into your life and saying you that you, Juan Williams have to live this certain way. That's Islamism. That is a cult.

WILLIAMS: But you understand that Christianity, Judaism and all these. I mean, you could interpret it just as you did. Because I mean, clearly, Christianity --

GUTFELD: At times I have.

WILLIAMS: Oh, OK.

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: But I will say --

BOLLING: So, I'm trying to figure out --

WILLIAMS: Let me pick up one good point.

BOLLING: In Christianity where it says, if you're not a Christian, you will be killed. I'm not sure where that is.

WILLIAMS: What?

BOLLING: Well, I mean, that in Sharia law, if you're not, if you're not practicing member of the Muslim .

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. He -- I think -- as I understood was Greg was saying --

BOLLING: . and Sharia, and you don't come around, you're the infidel.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: And the infidel will be killed.

WILLIAMS: Well, I think we have a long history of people walking around with the scarlet letter and the like. Once you violate the tenets of Christianity that you are cast out, you're a sinner, you're the devil --

GUTFELD: But the old test -- the old testament .

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

GUTFELD: . is old for a reason.

WILLIAMS: Well, I'm saying -- OK. But what I -- I would say that i think there's a reason not to harass Muslims in the United States of America. I think there's a reason not to harass Christians. I don't like any of it. But --

GUTFELD: And harassment, it's not harassment if you --

GUILFOYLE: It's following the lead from evidence, building a case.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: Believe me our legal enforce, law enforcement officials follow leads with regard to mosques and Islamic extremists every day --

GUILFOYLE: There's been a real reluctance .

BOLLING: According to Kallstrom -- no.

GUILFOYLE: . to do so.

BOLLING: According to Kallstrom .

WILLIAMS: That's not what he said.

BOLLING: . if it's --

WILLIAMS: In fact .

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: . it's an order from .

BOLLING: If it's a Muslim --

WILLIAMS: . the White House. Some -- I don't know.

BOLLING: Well, yeah, but that's massive, is it not?

WILLIAMS: Right. And it would be if it's true.

GUILFOYLE: But it's part of the overall viewpoint of the administration. I'll -- it's horrendous, but I don't find it so shocking, because they won't even say radical Islamist terrorism. I mean -- really? I mean, this is what we've been dealing with; very selective prosecutions, punishing conservative groups, punishing in with the IRS, with the DOJ, et cetera, et cetera. I mean come on, very politicized.

BOLLING: It's even if Kallstrom is not right, and for whatever reason. I'm not saying he is. But even if that's not the case, we misunderstood it. There were still so many clues, how in the world .

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

BOLLING: . if we have this many clues and this guy can still perpetrate a massive terrorist attack, the ones that don't show themselves the way he did?

PERINO: But I --

BOLLING: We're vulnerable.

PERINO: So hindsight is 20/20. So in an investigation, you look back and you think oh, my gosh, there's all those dots, we should have been able to connect them. That's true in almost any situation including San Bernardino, and even 9/11. It could go back further from that. I was surprised on Monday when the FBI director said, "Based on our investigation, which was pretty much four hours old, there's nothing we would have done differently." And I thought they're going to have to eat those words.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

PERINO: Because at this point, especially with the wife, because it's right, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

PERINO: Now the wife has skipped town?

GUILFOYLE: Yes --

PERINO: And we find out that the house was deeded over to the family?

GUILFOYLE: Ten dollars, what a deal.

PERINO: And yet, in advance of this. So, and the father is kind of a Loony too. So, there's -- maybe there were more multiple clues. The thing is that if you're in the middle of the haystack, you can't necessary put it all together.

BOLLING: All I'm saying is if someone comes in and wants to buy a thousand rounds of ammunitions, ammunitions, some body armor --

PERINO: But they did the right thing.

BOLLING: And you call the FBI.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: The FBI says --

PERINO: But they say they didn't have a name, but I wonder why did they have a picture?

GUILFOYLE: Well, how about ask for the video surveillance in the gun shop. Every gun shop has a video camera that they don't get rob.

BOLLING: They said they did and -- they said they did, but those -- maybe there's some video surveillance in the parking lot or the place next door. Let's find --

GUILFOYLE: To pick up a plate on the car, et cetera.

GUTFELD: You know what's scary?

BOLLING: Yeah.

GUTFELD: You know what's scary in the long-term? You watch the TV show, "The Americans" where the KGB infiltrates as a family. The FBI stopped inquiring in this guy, because he got married, he had a kid and got a job, which is actually .

PERINO: Because something to live for.

GUTFELD: . which is actually -- yeah, this all he had something to live for, don't follow him. But the terrorist goal is to infiltrate and blend by creating a family. San Bernardino, the guy got married.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: So the next -- this is the next level.

PERINO: Yup.

GUTFELD: They're not lone -- there's no such thing as a lone wolf anymore.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, it's family jihad.

WILLIAMS: I wonder what this is about --

GUTFELD: Yeah, married with terrorist.

WILLIAMS: But this guy, it seems mentally unstable from taking steroids, beating up a kid in seventh grade .

GUTFELD: They've done nothing bad to you, Juan.

WILLIAMS: . and stalking a woman.

PERINO: And nothing good, either.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. It was roid rage. No.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Jihad rage.

WILLIAMS: No. I'm saying --

GUTFELD: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: My God.

WILLIAMS: I think this guy was mentally unstable for a long time.

BOLLING: Or he was a terrorist.

GUILFOYLE: He's evil and he's ISIS, how about that?

BOLLING: Coming up next. Stunning challenge to President Obama's foreign policy by members of his own administration, dozens of diplomats are urging the president to change course in Syria.

Also ahead, it's Facebook Friday, so post your questions for us right now on facebook.com/thefivefnc. And our show has a big announcement to make -- a little later. Very exciting, Juan, you won't want to miss. Stay tuned.

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GUILFOYLE: As a civil war and Syria widens and ISIS gains strength, President Obama is facing a diplomatic revolt, right here at home. More than 50 State Department officials have signed an internal memo protesting his Syrian policy. They want the president to order more U.S. military action including air strikes against the Assad regime. Secretary of State John Kerry called the memo, quote, "an important statement." He would discuss further when he returns from Copenhagen. All right, what should we do, be doing about this, Dana?

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: Well, it is unusual.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: We should, we should definitely wait until he comes home from Copenhagen --

GUILFOYLE: Until Kerry comes home, right.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: He's coming by bike.

GUILFOYLE: Can you kite surf there?

PERINO: It's a long .

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

PERINO: . long trip.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: It's very -- it is unusual, State Department employees are usually very respectful of the chain of command and the respect the political decisions. This is unusual also, because you don't want to screw up your bonus structure. I remember the report last week that said 99 percent of federal employees get an A-plus in all their bonuses and they're all doing well. I do think that this is -- spilling over from the foreign policy elite, if we can call them that. In like the foreign policy think tank all around Washington and New York, and even out to California. This is the kind of thing that you've been hearing, this immense frustration that, the way to really get a hold of this is not -- they don't want just a military solution, but they are also horrified. We have hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed since we decided not to do the air strikes. And this is the foreign policy establishment, really, asking the president to reconsider and to do something that's more drastic.

GUILFOYLE: And to do something about it. What do you make of it? That's quite a big of 50.

BOLLING: Fifty.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: Fifty.

GUILFOYLE: It's huge.

BOLLING: It's not one or two whistleblowers or someone who has got an axe to grind; it is 50 people within the State Department. A day after John Brennan completely takes the legs out of President Obama's policy or war on terror, whatever he says he's, he's winning ISIS, with ISIS. Brennan says no, you're not. They may be infiltrating, the western fighters ready to go and then, James Comey once again said, we've got a lot to, a lot of work to do. So President Obama is telling us one thing is going on. It's working in Syria, it's working in the Middle East, it's working to combat terror here and everyone around him is saying, "It ain't working". So, one of these things doesn't fit. But what's the end game now? Does he, does he really still want to be that only, the sole voice that says it's working, when people are dying? At some point you got to go, hey, we have to rethink this whole strategy. Maybe this 50 State Department people are right.

GUILFOYLE: And one of the problem is you got to run, you run out the clock. He's in office. We, you know, we cannot afford to --

BOLLING: That's good point.

GUILFOYLE: Right?

BOLLING: Fair point.

GUILFOYLE: And then --

BOLLING: Yup.

GUILFOYLE: And depending, depending, you know if Hillary Clinton were to get in. You know, more of the same. So then it will --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: And in her book she writes that she was -- she wanted to do the air strikes .

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: . and she got rebuffed by Obama.

GUILFOYLE: As a respect -- with respect to, yes, to Syria, but in terms of her overall foreign policy, you know, approach. She was the secretary of state, so we can expect, I think, another areas, more of the same.

GUTFELD: Well, as a professional chicken hawk, I spent a fair portion of time talking to people who are in active duty and veterans, they don't take it personally if you ask them to go somewhere and kill bad people. They did not join the military for the health insurance. They've got to go to Raqqah. We got to have ground troops. We kept saying it's not our fight. It's now our fight because they're coming here. The reality, the reality is, we're going to have American troops in there and we've got to prove ISIS is wrong. Remember the whole point of the Islamic state is to establish it in Raqqah, and I can't remember the name of the other place; it's in the Koran. But if you prove them wrong, it's really going to be humiliating. And that's all -- the whole point of this is to prove them wrong, so that they go away.

GUILFOYLE: We have to destroy them .

GUTFELD: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: . so that they're not attracting .

GUTFELD: But right now --

GUILFOYLE: . you know, jihadists from all over the world and other groups declaring allegiance for guys like Mateen.

GUTFELD: The police are being -- have been correct right now, because we haven't destroyed it.

GUILFOYLE: Well, yes, to destroy and humiliate them .

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: . that they're no longer cool jihad, and they won't be so attractive to these other Islamist, jihadists around the world. That's how you take a serious fight out of it, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Well, I think 400,000 people are dead and it's just, it's a tragedy. Now, Eric says, you know people are dying, but people are dying in lots of theaters around the world. Do you want the United States going in all of them? I don't think so, so you got to make a choice. But the key thing here in terms of this is it's so impressive to me that 50 diplomats would say, this is wrong, something is going on here.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

WILLIAMS: And Robert Ford, remember he was the ambassador, so he resigned in '14 over just this issue, and said to the president, "do something." John Kerry, John Kerry, for all the talk is one who said we need to apply military pressure in order to get Assad to the negotiating table. The counterargument coming from the White House is, but don't forget, Russia is backing Assad. So if you go in and you start attacking Assad directly, are you inviting then a larger-scale conflict in the Middle East? And finally, don't forget, there's not much political will for what Gregory is talking about, putting American boots on the ground and say, oh yeah we're going to take control of Syria. In this case, if you break it, you own it buddy.

GUTFELD: Well, it's already broken.

WILLIAMS: Right. So do you want to own it?

GUTFELD: No. I think we send James Taylor there.

WILLIAMS: Oh, OK.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: Well, you know, but replacing Assad .

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BOLLING: . isn't going to --

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

BOLLING: Replacing Assad isn't necessary going to fix anything that's going on here. I mean the ISIS will --

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah. What?

BOLLING: I mean, ISIS will still continue to try and kill, infiltrate American, kill Americans whether it's -- whether ISIS is controlling, whether Russia is controlling Assad, a new Syrian regime. Syria isn't going to stop -- fixing Syria isn't going to fix our American terrorism problem.

WILLIAMS: I think it would help a lot, because it would take away the ground for ISIS to operate, and what Greg was talking about.

BOLLING: They don't need ground.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

WILLIAMS: OK.

BOLLING: Do they?

WILLIAMS: I think they need --

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GUTFELD: If you go to those two cities, which is what a part of their whole dream and their desire, I'm sorry. If you do that, we win.

GUILFOYLE: Next. Juan, of course thinks the GOP is wrong when it comes to gun control. He's going to make another case for why republicans should get on board. And still ahead, Facebook Friday, plus our big announcement, a hint -- we'll soon be embarking on a journey like we've never been on before. Stay tuned.

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WILLIAMS: Well, all week, as you know, my friends around this table have argued that there is no reason to consider new gun control laws in the aftermath of the Orlando terror attack, but polls show Americans do support such a move including background checks and a ban on assault-style weapons. Democrats in Congress also make the case for more control.

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ADAM SCHIFF, CALIFORNIA CONGRESSMAN: The one thing we really have not done at all is address the ready access to these kinds of weapons that make it easy to kill a lot of people in a nightclub.

JAMES CLYBURN, SOUTH CAROLINA CONGRESSMAN: This is not about ISIS. This is not about any kind of foreign terror. This is about guns in America.

ELIZABETH WARREN, MASSACHUSETTS SENATOR: The next time someone uses a gun to kill one of us, a gun that we could have kept out of the hands of a terrorist; the members of this Congress will have blood on our hands.

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WILLIAMS: Wow, it's not just lawmakers, though. General Stanley McChrystal agrees in an op-ed in "The New York Times" today he says, quote, "Those of us who served in the military were trained in the effective and safe use of firearms. Today, some of our politicians and the people who back them seem to promote a culture of gun ownership that does not confirm with what I learned in the military. Our leaders can start by doing more to keep guns out of the hands of those who cannot be trusted to handle them responsibly." So Greg, I know all week you've been on me, you've just about cursed me out .

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: . over this issue.

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: But I must -- so I want to --

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: You know how Bill O'Reilly says, "Tell me where I'm going wrong." I'm saying that that to you.

GUTFELD: Thank you for saying that, because for every minute of liberal blather about gun control, it takes one hour of factual rebuttal and we don't have an hour left in the show to go over everything wrong. But let me do this (inaudible) and I'm -- I believe Obama is a genius. We know this was not a lone wolf operation. So he's pretending with the help of others, and he should be naive. President Obama is playing stupid in talking about guns, so he gives a false sense of confidence to the terrorists. Oh, he doesn't know anything about terror, he thinks its guns. Here are three things wrong with what you're talking about, the timing. If your house is on fire, you don't remodel the kitchen. Right now our country is on fire with ISIS and we're talking about gun control. It's about focus on Islamism, the cult. Two, your facts are wrong. As we have more guns, homicides are going down. Where there is crime it's usually proximity. That's why you can't compare the outback of Australia to Detroit, because if there were more urban centers that tends to be proximity, more people, crime, and the worst thing is it's elitists. While your gun control takes the protection away from the common man and women, because you're on your perch in Fox News surrounded by security talking about it and they don't have that luxury --

WILLIAMS: Well let me say, I mean, clearly it's not elitist when you see the polls that show overwhelming support for closing gun show loopholes and --

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: . online buying.

GUTFELD: Who is not for common sense stuff?

WILLIAMS: Oh, you are for -- oh, I didn't know that.

GUTFELD: That's a strong man argument.

GUILFOYLE: We never said we weren't.

GUTFELD: I've never said that.

WILLIAMS: Oh, OK. Well, I think that's what you just said.

GUTFELD: I just got homophobic to the think that .

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah.

GUTFELD: . a gay club that serves alcohol can't have people in there with guns. Why?

WILLIAMS: Well, if they did have, they had a guard in there with a gun.

GUTFELD: But yeah, but --

WILLIAMS: It didn't make a difference.

GUTFELD: That wasn't enough.

WILLIAMS: Oh --

GUTFELD: They need that from experience.

WILLIAMS: So you want everybody to have a gun. Dana --

GUTFELD: Why not?

WILLIAMS: Dana, one of the things cited by McChrystal in his piece was he said, "you know, it's incredible from '01 to '10, a hundred nineteen thousand people killed, 18 times all the combat deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's going on right here in the United States because of lax gun control.

PERINO: Here's the thing, proposed solutions must meet a logical question, and at this point, I don't see that. And I think what Senator Elizabeth Warren said was quite offensive because if you are focused so much on a gun, banning a gun, that didn't have anything to do with the Orlando terror attack and you're not focused on how you deal with the ideological threat and the recruitment that ISIS using, and it's not a lone wolf thing -- how lonely can he be when he's checking Facebook to see if he's had an impact with his shooting? However, I could be persuaded if there were logical facts presented to me and a cost-benefit analysis that OK, we think we need to do x and that will get us to y. That's actually how you should have debates in America. But I also think it is not immoral to be willing to defend yourself.

WILLIAMS: No.

PERINO: And that is, that is --

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GUILFOYLE: That's your constitutional right.

WILLIAMS: Do you think that this is about taking guns away?

GUILFOYLE: I think it is. It's about taking guns away from people that have a Second Amendment right to be able to possess a firearm and be able to defend themselves. If there were other weapons and people had guns in that place, more people would have lived, and perhaps he would have been killed right away.

WILLIAMS: Let me get this straight. Let me get this straight, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: When you have a high -- high-impact situation like that.

WILLIAMS: You're saying in a bar where people are drinking, picking each other up and partying, you want to introduce guns?

GUILFOYLE: I didn't say that, Juan, but you make these, like, ridiculous, overbroad...

WILLIAMS: No, that's what I said, if more people had guns...

GUTFELD: I would say that.

WILLIAMS: You would say that? All right.

GUTFELD: Absolutely, because it's a soft target. You have to harden all soft targets.

WILLIAMS: OK, see, I can't believe it.

GUILFOYLE: I think there should be weapons in school so that children are protected. They don't have to worry about it. They have a security guard in front, and they try and lock the doors, because they were afraid.

Why do bad people want to go, and terrorists, to go to schools, or go to movie theaters, to go to clubs like the -- music venues like the Bataclan and like the Pulse? Because it's easy. It's confusing; it's high- capacity. To be able to have a lot of people there. It's a target-rich environment.

GUTFELD: You know where there's guns in bars?

WILLIAMS: Where?

GUTFELD: Airports.

BOLLING: In Texas.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

Let me ask you something. I know you have this thing about assault weapons. But you can see the polls are pretty clear. Americans say, "We don't understand why you would be giving guns, assault weapons to terrorists. Or to mass killers."

BOLLING: Do we do that?

WILLIAMS: Yes.

BOLLING: Do we do that?

WILLIAMS: And look at -- look at what the mass killers use...

BOLLING: I'm curious...

WILLIAMS: Time and again, they use these assault-style weapons.

BOLLING: So I've sat here patiently.

WILLIAMS: Thank you.

BOLLING: Listening to all this.

WILLIAMS: Is that evidence of...

GUILFOYLE: The Valerie Jarrett talking points.

BOLLING: I respect you tremendously.

WILLIAMS: Well, go at me.

BOLLING: But you're wrong on so many points.

WILLIAMS: Go ahead. Go ahead.

BOLLING: No. 1 there's not a single proposed change in gun laws that would have prevented Orlando. Not one: not background checks, not terror watchlists, not one. Assault weapons, none of that stuff would have changed Orlando. It still would have happened.

Why are background checks -- increasing background checks elitist? Because poor people, that will increase the cost of a gun. Poor people can barely afford the cost of guns as it is. Bad guys will always be able to afford illegal guns. But a legal gun, you probably add somewhere between $50 and $100 to a legal gun, and that excludes poor people from having guns.

WILLIAMS: You think poor people are short on guns, even though you can see what kind of carnage in American (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

BOLLING: If you increase the cost of something, poor people will be hurt the most.

GUTFELD: The gang violence.

WILLIAMS: That's what I'm saying.

GUTFELD: The gangs.

WILLIAMS: So you see the carnage, and you say, "Oh, no, this is about poor people"?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Let the poor people protect themselves against gangs.

BOLLING: ... contrary to what you and many other people who are talking about this gun, the AR-15 is not an assault weapon. It's a rifle. It's a deer-hunting rifle.

WILLIAMS: It has -- it has a magazine that has 30 rounds in it.

BOLLING: Hold on. Hold on.

WILLIAMS: And if you're pulling the trigger, 30 rounds.

GUILFOYLE: It depends on the state. It depends on the state. Florida, yes; California no. It's 15 capacity with a bullet button in California. Not in Florida. Know your laws first, Juan.

BOLLING: You know those -- you know those cars, they look like they're speedsters on the road. Volkswagen engines, and then someone...

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: That's what the AR is. It's a deer rifle, 22-caliber. It's not a bad-ass gun.

WILLIAMS: The capacity of the magazine is such that...

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: How do you feel about shotguns?

BOLLING: And last one. Last one. You guys worry -- you like to worry about the 10,000 people who died of gun homicide. A lot of them are gangs, gang members, but you worry about the 10,000. You don't worry about the 400,000 people who die from heart disease, the 300,000 people who die from cancer.

WILLIAMS: What are you -- what, as an excuse for gun violence?

GUILFOYLE: What?

BOLLING: No, but do you see the emphasis you're making on something that is such a...

WILLIAMS: Emphasis -- forget guns? It's a public health issue like hearts, I think America would be in -- we would do everything to stop it. We would cure that disease. This is not very popular.

GUTFELD: As gun ownership has increased homicide rates have gone down.

WILLIAMS: That's nuts. Come on.

GUTFELD: It's true.

WILLIAMS: You know what? By the way, I don't understand how you say let terrorists have guns in America.

GUILFOYLE: We never said that. Nobody said that.

BOLLING: We want them to...

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: You're making that up. Lying Juan Williams, lying Juan Williams.

WILLIAMS: A terrorist watch list, you said it doesn't make a difference.

BOLLING: I said that...

GUILFOYLE: Stay right there. "Facebook Friday" is up next.

WILLIAMS: All right. Stay there, guys. Yes, we're out of here.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: Is this really happening?

GUTFELD: Yes. Facebook time. Yes, it is happening, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Why is this happening?

GUTFELD: Why so cynical?

GUILFOYLE: OK.

GUTFELD: "Facebook Friday." I'm going to start with you, then.

GUILFOYLE: I knew it.

GUTFELD: From Sylvia R. Great question; this is an amazing question: "If you could have personally witnessed anything, like an historical thing on a sporting event or something magical, what would you have -- want to have been present at?"

GUILFOYLE: Well, the first thing that comes to mind is when we landed on the moon.

GUTFELD: So you'd like to be there on the moon? Or would you like to be watching it from TV?

GUILFOYLE: I'd kind of maybe want to be watching, because I might be a little worried about getting back.

GUTFELD: Oh, OK.

GUILFOYLE: But I think that was very interesting and historical and important.

GUTFELD: The astronauts would have loved you, though.

Oh, yes, Juan. Juan.

GUILFOYLE: OK, thanks.

WILLIAMS: Gosh, I don't know. I mean, there are lots of things that are fun and thrilling. But I know -- for some reason I think, boy, you know, I've seen the Hindenburg blow up.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Boy, that would be something, right? Or you can imagine great speeches. I love great speeches.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: So you imagine if you heard John F. Kennedy, you know? "What can you do for your country, not what your country can do for you." Or Martin Luther King Jr., if you were down there...

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: ... by the Lincoln Memorial, that would be great.

GUTFELD: Yes. Historical.

BOLLING: I want to see the resurrection.

GUTFELD: There you go.

BOLLING: I want to see Jesus...

WILLIAMS: Nobody saw that.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

BOLLING: ... get up off the table, move the rock and walk out. And I can say to all the disbelievers.

Hey -- hey!

GUILFOYLE: Wow. I'd be very worried if I were you. I'd be very worried if I were you.

GUTFELD: I just made four enemies. I just made four enemies, maybe more. I better be going now.

WILLIAMS: Gee, it was just the Muslims before.

GUILFOYLE: Now we've got another evil little creature at the table.

GUTFELD: I'm sorry.

BOLLING: No, that's quite all right.

I believe. Whatever.

PERINO: Because I was going to say the multiplying of the loaves and fishes. Or Jonah and the whale. So I had this children's Bible when I was a kid, and there was this picture of Jonah inside a whale making a little campfire while he waited...

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: I remember that.

PERINO: ... to be saved. And I used to -- I remember I used to ask my parents, like, did that really happen?

GUTFELD: Happen, yes.

PERINO: And then not too long ago a person actually got spit out by a whale, so maybe it actually did happen. Maybe not in that way with like a little campfire inside the whale, though.

GUTFELD: Yes. I would -- I would probably say a campfire in the whale didn't happen. But hey. I want to be -- you know where I would like to be present? The big bang, when it all started. Would be amazing. Don't you wonder, in that first infinitesimal moment, what happened and what was there before?

PERINO: It must have been really loud.

GUILFOYLE: I think he would have been too anxious, to be honest.

GUTFELD: I would have been loaded up on meds.

GUILFOYLE: You're freaked out by robots.

GUTFELD: But it would have been great.

All right. Let's go this way.

Big bang, come on.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, fine. I like the idea.

BOLLING: Yes, yes, yes.

GUTFELD: Doesn't...

BOLLING: I'll go with the alternate explanation of how it all started.

GUTFELD: OK. Around this way, from Marilyn, "What books would you recommend for somebody wanting to learn more about our country?" "Wake up, America."

PERINO: Going to come up. Not even -- you could preorder that one.

Mitch Daniels, the former governor of Indiana, now the president of Purdue University, wrote a book and the name is escaping me, but if you go to Amazon, it's Mitch Daniels. I think he writes some of the best conservative defense points I've ever seen in my life. Very well laid out. That's a good recommendation.

GUILFOYLE: That's a good recommendation.

BOLLING: Obviously, "Legends and Lies."

GUTFELD: There you go.

BOLLING: Obviously. That's...

PERINO: You know where your bread is buttered.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: It really has been fun to watch this whole series, too. Bill O'Reilly, like, narrates over Paul Revere. It's pretty good. Actually, I like it.

GUTFELD: It's a guilty pleasure.

BOLLING: Stop it.

GUTFELD: It's a guilty pleasure.

GUILFOYLE: (KISSING SOUNDS)

GUTFELD: Kimberly!

BOLLING: What are you doing?

GUTFELD: Juan.

WILLIAMS: You know, I always think it's fiction.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: And so I like -- I mean, actually, we had a "Facebook Friday" question about your favorite book as a kid. And my answer was "The Chosen," which is about two immigrant kids, Jewish kids in Brooklyn, where I grew up.

But I also think, like John Grisham, like "A Time to Kill," stuff like that, where you see American individualism and American virtue, I think, play out in such a way and justice delivered. And of course, "To Kill a Mockingbird." Same kind of theory.

GUTFELD: Why would you do that?

WILLIAMS: Why?

BOLLING: Kill a mockingbird. With a gun.

GUTFELD: We're talking about books.

WILLIAMS: All right.

GUTFELD: Not killing little innocent animals.

WILLIAMS: I know, I know.

GUTFELD: Jesus, sometimes Juan just...

GUILFOYLE: Wanders. Yes. Juan-ders. That's what he does.

OK, I love early American history. So yes, I do like "Legends and Lies," but how about Brian Kilmeade's book on George Washington?

PERINO: That's a good one.

GUILFOYLE: That's a good one. And by saying that, where does it get me, Bolling?

BOLLING: I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: He's right next to you on the floor, the 17th floor, right?

GUILFOYLE: He is my neighbor.

GUTFELD: You know what? It's an old book, but it matters: "Closing of the American Mind."

WILLIAMS: Yes, that's pretty good.

GUTFELD: Allan Bloom.

WILLIAMS: Bloom.

GUTFELD: Allan Bloom. Great book. It basically forecasted political correctness. It was about the campuses in the '80s. I read that, and it stuck with me. A lot of it I didn't understand, because I was stupid and high.

PERINO: The name of the Mitch Daniels book is "Keeping the Republic."

GUTFELD: All right. Let's start with you, Eric. From Brian S., favorite restaurant in New York City. I know this one.

GUILFOYLE: Del Frisco's.

BOLLING: Del Frisco's right across the street.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Best cocktails on the planet.

WILLIAMS: But you know what? What did Yogi Berra used to say?

GUTFELD: What?

WILLIAMS: Nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded. I think that's...

But I would Oceana, which is right next door.

GUTFELD: The seafood place.

WILLIAMS: And that's just terrific and guess what? You can still get in there.

GUILFOYLE: I would have to say Del Frisco's and I'm not going to say any other places, because people may come there and try and find me.

GUTFELD: Stalkers.

PERINO: I'm not worried about that, I guess. The Smith.

GUTFELD: The Smith.

GUILFOYLE: That is very good.

GUTFELD: That sounds very British.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, I went there because you told me to.

PERINO: The Smith.

GUTFELD: It needs an "and something." The Smith and Wesson?

PERINO: A pub. There's a few around town.

GUILFOYLE: It's very good. I went there on your recommendation.

PERINO: A lot of toast.

GUTFELD: I found a place called -- called Cannon Cook on Kenmare. It's a great place, and they watch FOX, which I like. But it's good drinks.

PERINO: The West Side Steak House.

GUTFELD: West Side Steak House, I always plug them. I found a new -- Kenneth Cook. I'm going there tonight.

GUILFOYLE: Wrap it up.

GUTFELD: All right. I'm teasing, why are you yelling at me? We've got a big announcement.

GUILFOYLE: Because you're not listening...

GUTFELD: I'm in big trouble.

GUILFOYLE: ... to the control room.

GUTFELD: Revealed next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: It's time now for that big announcement we've been telling you about. "The Five" is about to embark on our first-ever road trip together. We're hitting the road to the White House of sorts. We're going to be hopping on a bus just like this one, beginning on July 15 and riding to Cleveland and Philadelphia for the Republican and Democratic national conventions.

GUTFELD: You can fit in that.

PERINO: A two-week adventure...

GUILFOYLE: So can you.

PERINO: ... we are very excited about. We are very excited about, as you're going to hear from the crew.

Now, I am great on a road trip. OK? So everybody knows you're in very good hands.

GUTFELD: You don't take up any small.

PERINO: I'm small. I bring great snacks. Custom-made for everybody. I do great music selection. I know when to shut up, and I do very educational games along the way.

GUTFELD: I'm the opposite. I bring lots of healthy food. The healthiest food, obviously, is beans. You can have never have enough beans on a bus. And I bring home movies. I have a 12-hour movie of children playing Marco Polo.

WILLIAMS: Oh, no.

PERINO: K.G., are you already packed?

GUILFOYLE: Torture, torture.

I'm actually a good packer. Right?

PERINO: You are a good packer.

GUILFOYLE: The White House for the Press Correspondents' Dinner. I just bring the one purse, roll up the dress. That's it. So I'm not too worried about the packing situation.

I'm worried about his extreme levels of gastrointestinal distress. But besides that...

GUTFELD: You don't even have to say my name.

GUILFOYLE: ... don't know if I want to play any educational games. But if you bring good snacks, I can be persuaded.

PERINO: I can definitely do snacks.

GUILFOYLE: Correct, yes. And if there's some liquid beverages of sorts.

BOLLING: Are we allowed?

PERINO: Can you be in charge of liquid beverages?

BOLLING: I can be, if we're allowed to.

PERINO: OK.

BOLLING: I certainly will bring it.

PERINO: Let's make our own rules.

GUILFOYLE: It's really good to travel with Bolling. Right? Because Bolling picks up the tab. He's like Sean Hannity.

PERINO: OK, fine.

GUILFOYLE: Then you don't have to submit any expense reports. Fine.

WILLIAMS: I think the best part is meeting FOX fans. Because I imagine this is going to be, like, a magnet, and people are going to want to get on the bus with us.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: They're going to want to see inside of the bus.

So look, it's a convention. We're going to the convention.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

WILLIAMS: So at the conventions, I think this may be the top destination. People say, "Hey, you know what? I really want to get on 'The Five' bus.

PERINO: Well and we're going to make some...

GUTFELD: Juan, you're going to be in the front.

WILLIAMS: No.

BOLLING: Who's driving?

PERINO: Well, not one of us.

GUILFOYLE: I would love to drive the bus. But I have to get a special license.

PERINO: So we're going to stop along the way, between here and Cleveland and then Philly.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: Yes, so if anybody has recommendations for great road trip stops. I actually -- I don't know about that. I'm excited about this, because look, it's going to happen. So you have to have a good attitude.

GUTFELD: If you know any places that you can stop off the highway, you know, where people sell certain kind of homegrown things that are like, you know...

BOLLING: Vegetables.

GUTFELD: Vegetables, good for your eyesight.

GUILFOYLE: What?

WILLIAMS: Farmers' markets.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

PERINO: And I'll bring more snacks.

GUTFELD: Yes, because we're going to need them. Oh yes. We're going to need a lot of them.

GUILFOYLE: We're not -- I'm not sleeping on the bus next to you. No way, no how.

GUTFELD: Oh, yes.

PERINO: It's going to be fun. And we hope you'll join us.

GUILFOYLE: ... Greg.

GUTFELD: I don't sleep.

PERINO: We're going tell you more about the bus trip in the next few weeks. "One More Thing" up next.

GUILFOYLE: Get the camera on there.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing."

GUTFELD: I like that. Show tomorrow night, 10 p.m., we've got Rob Long, comedian; and we've got Rob O'Neill, killed bin Laden. And we've got Nick DiPaolo, another comedian. Watch it. It's going to be fun.

Time for this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Greg's Legal Immigration News

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Well, America just got one more citizen today. My wife. This morning she was sworn in. There she is. She better have an American flag. There you go. There's the American flag.

It's -- she's incredibly happy. I think she's happy.

PERINO: She looks happy.

GUTFELD: I hope we made the right choice. We had a lot of countries to choose from. Anyway, we had a great time there. Elena is thrilled. There she is. I don't know, in dresses and stuff.

GUILFOYLE: You've really done well for yourself.

GUTFELD: She's a fashion designer. What can I say?

Anyway, it's incredible how psyched people are when they go through this. People are crying.

GUILFOYLE: Look at your face there.

GUTFELD: That's when we got married.

GUILFOYLE: What is wrong with you?

GUTFELD: I left. I had to go some stuff.

GUILFOYLE: That was your wedding photo?

GUTFELD: Yes. It was city hall.

BOLLING: Congratulations to Elena and you.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

BOLLING: Both of you guys.

GUILFOYLE: My gosh.

BOLLING: All right, Juanito, you're up.

WILLIAMS: Well, Father's Day this weekend, and Eli, my 6-year-old grandson, boy did he have a big week. There he is, graduating from kindergarten with his teachers, at the Latin American multicultural bilingual charter school in D.C.

GUILFOYLE: Of course.

WILLIAMS: And there's the whole class jumping up and down, celebrating, the whole kindergarten class on stage. And here's Eli getting ready for summer vacation in his T-shirt. If you can't read it, it says "Straight Outta Kindergarten."

GUILFOYLE: Cute.

WILLIAMS: And finally, guess what? Eli lost his first tooth this week.

PERINO: Everything happens.

WILLIAMS: I'm telling you, he is a big boy. Way to go, Eli.

GUILFOYLE: My God. What a big week!

GUTFELD: Congratulations, Juan.

BOLLING: All right. K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So this was a very sweet story, I think, because, you know, you're never forgotten when you serve in this country.

NYPD members gathered yesterday in Queens to give a final salute to a retired detective and World War II veteran who passed away. And this was members of the 113th Precinct. Organized a funeral for 95-year-old William Brown upon discovering that he had no surviving next of kin. And they became aware of him during his final months after responding to a 311 call from a concerned neighbor. So then they knew and said, "Hey, we're going to take this guy on as one of our own."

And so they learned that, not only was he a retired detective, but this World War II veteran, which is very special. And he fought in the 369th Infantry Regiment known as what, Juan?

WILLIAMS: I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Harlem Hell Fighters.

PERINO: Wow.

GUILFOYLE: Very cool.

PERINO: What a great story.

BOLLING: Good stuff.

PERINO: Kimberly had a lot of good "One More Things" this week.

GUILFOYLE: Because I have Sean in my life. He's very sweet. Thank you very much, Sean.

PERINO: I have one.

GUTFELD: Wait. Specify which Sean.

GUILFOYLE: What?

GUTFELD: Sean...

GUILFOYLE: Sean O'Rourke, my producer.

GUTFELD: There. I saved you a lot of trouble.

PERINO: OK. So I have a little announcement. And we did it in the form of a movie trailer. Here's a shortened version. It will be up on my Facebook page in just a minute, but this is kind of fun. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRAPHIC: Jasper Perino has an announcement.

He's really excited.

Prepare to be shocked.

Get ready to laugh.

"Let Me Tell You About Jasper." October 25, 2016.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Is it a book or a movie?

PERINO: It's not a movie; it's actually a book. It's going to come out October 25. It's about Jasper and all the other dogs in my life. And not only is it written by me, but it includes a lot of the great Photoshops from 5FanPhotoshop, who has become a friend over the years. So I'm pretty excited about it.

GUTFELD: You know what's great? He'll have no idea there's a book out about him.

PERINO: I know. So he won't be checking his Amazon ratings.

GUTFELD: He won't be like me: "Damn, I've fallen!"

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: "Where's Bolling? Bolling is ahead of me!"

BOLLING: Maybe.

GUILFOYLE: Like, "If only I was taller. Damn."

BOLLING: All right. Later on tonight make sure you stay here to watch O'Reilly. It's a deep dive into the terror threat. I know we've had this debate before. Important guests; Dana Perino is going to be on the show.

PERINO: Excellent guests.

BOLLING: Donald Trump will come on.

GUILFOYLE: Great booking. Great booking.

BOLLING: And Ryan, Paul Ryan, as well, talking about the terror threat.

OK. Ready for this? Cleveland fans, game six last night. Check out how they sang the national anthem, watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): O, say can you see...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): ... by the dawn's early light, what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): ... by the dawn's early light, what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): ... by the dawn's early light, what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Fantastic rendition, and they went on -- Cleveland went on to win, forcing a game seven Sunday night.

PERINO: That's going to be big.

BOLLING: But guess what? Sunday is Father's Day.

WILLIAMS: Yes, it is.

GUILFOYLE: Happy Father's Day.

BOLLING: I would like to wish every father out there a happy Father's Day.

GUTFELD: Every day is Father's Day.

GUILFOYLE: Happy Father's Day, Juan and Bolling.

BOLLING: That's true. That's true. Great weekend, everybody. "Special Report," I think it's Chris Wallace.

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