Hume: A focused Trump appeals to large slice of electorate; Will Democrats unify or head to contested convention?

Senior political analyst weighs in on 'The Kelly File'


This is a rush transcript from "The Kelly File," June 7, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MEGYN KELLY, HOST: Breaking tonight, the general election is set.  Barring any dramatic developments in the campaign unlike any we have ever seen before, businessman Donald Trump will square off against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton this fall in what can only be described as a ground breaking and historic contest.

Welcome to "The Kelly File," everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly, reporting live tonight, yes --  


From San Diego, California.


One of the six states holding elections today. At any moment, we expect Donald Trump to take the lectern at the Trump National Golf Club in Briarcliff Manor in New York to discuss his campaign. As soon as he begins speaking, we will bring it to you live.

But first, here's a look at how the candidates have fared thus far. At this hour, we have a few results for you. The polls closed first in New Jersey. And right now, Fox News can project as expected Donald Trump has won there.


On the Democratic side -- yes, you know, nobody else is running against him so, I mean, there wasn't a lot of drama. On the Democratic side, and hold on, Fox News can now project that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will win New Jersey's Democratic presidential primary. Yes, beating Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders based on the early vote return. So, that's big. Hillary Clinton has won New Jersey. And we are projecting, as we mentioned at the top of the show, she has now become the first woman in history to top the ticket of a major political party. And that's the story.


Secretary Clinton's victory is based in part on the support of super delegates or as I like to call them, super delegates.


So, it remains to be seen whether Bernie Sanders will continue to fight her until the convention. So far, all signs are yes. We'll continue to watch the remaining races tonight in New Mexico, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and California we will bring you those results as we get them.

In the meantime, we have a huge show for you tonight, complete with expert analysis. Brit Hume joins us. Chris Stirewalt is with me here in San Diego.

Plus, Frank Luntz and his focus group are here with me right now. And we've so many other surprises that in store for you.

But as we await Donald Trump, we begin our coverage with our chief political correspondent campaign Carl Cameron who is reporting from Briarcliff Manor, New York. Carl?

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Megyn. And we're expecting to see Mr. Trump come out in just a matter of moments. And now the question is, can Donald Trump really make the pivot to the general election and has he resolved his issues with the Republicans? He's the uncontested Republican nominee. It's a clear win. Hillary Clinton becomes the first ever female nominee for the Democratic Party. But for the last week and a half, Donald Trump has been in roiled in a controversy of his own making.

In his defense of himself given the Trump University case and criticism of the judge who has been overseeing that. Today, Donald Trump issued a statement essentially relitigating his side, suggesting that he's not been treated fairly by the judge but saying he's not going to talk about it anymore. We know that his speech tonight which does include a teleprompter is a couple of pages long which means it's likely to be short unless he ad- libs. This was billed as an opportunity for the press to take questions.  There have been a couple of these incidents on election nights where he's offered and give the press questions, and then never given us the chance when we actually got here.

And there are a number of questions to be asked tonight. Most of them come from his fellow Republicans. Mitch McConnell today, the Senate Majority Leader, said that it was time for Donald Trump to apologize to the judge in that Trump university case. Paul Ryan suggested that there are still a lot of questions about whether or not Donald Trump has the proper temperament.  And a number of senators today have begun to withdraw their support.

And specifically, Mark Kerr (ph), one of the most vulnerable Republican senators up for re-election this year, has essentially reversed his endorsement and says he simply can't endorse Donald Trump. That is the setting for the speech tonight when Donald Trump no longer contested and no more primaries has to make the pivot to Hillary Clinton. It's going to be a tremendous night. We were told just a moment ago we could hear the voice of God saying everybody please take your seats which means that Donald Trump is still a couple minutes away from here.

This, again, another one of his golf properties, the National Golf Club here in Westchester. And he's used these facilities quite a bit. So, we'll see how he uses them tonight. The last time we were able to ask questions, we the media, he really trashed the press, said we were unfair.  And the conference call yesterday, suggested that perhaps we were the ones who were acting as racists. Lots of questions. We'll see if we get answers -- Megyn.

KELLY: Carl, good to see you.

Joining me now, Fox News senior political analyst Brit Hume. Brit, great to see you. And so, as we await Donald Trump and his remarks tonight, it appears we now have the general election contest set. Although Bernie Sanders is not going quietly. Your thoughts?

BRIT HUME, FOX NEWS SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, first thing, it is obviously an historic milestone for Senator Secretary Clinton. But it lacks the drama that it might have had, had it been a closer race, had she not comes, you know, been the front-runner eight years ago, and had she not had this terrible struggle which continues to this day with Bernie Sanders.  Nonetheless, I think if you look at the Electorate Map and the polling at the moment, she's well positioned to win this election.

Donald Trump has ground to make up. And I think it's pretty widely agreed among people you have been involved in national campaigns, do you have to run a disciplined and targeted campaign, with a disciplined candidate to win? That was the hall mark for example of Barack Obama's campaign in 2008. He was very disciplined. Lately, the escapades that Donald Trump has been involved in suggested that discipline has not yet come his way.  So, it will be interesting to see if he comes out and reads his carefully prepared statements tonight, if he's on message, as some fellow Republicans are urging him to be, we'll make it a sense on whether he's about to make a big pivot here. And it looks like he's coming by now.  

KELLY: And let me stand you by, Brit. We'll go back to you after the Trump statement. Let's take a listen to Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee.


KELLY: A fired-up Donald Trump. A little less fired up than normal perhaps. He's a little bit more controlled. Using the teleprompter, which is something we almost never see him do staying on message. Some of the reactions on Twitter, suggested this is the more reined in Donald Trump that people like Senator Mitch McConnell have wanted to see. Perhaps some people into or around his campaign did not want to see because their motto has been, let Trump be Trump. But perhaps this is Donald Trump too.

The more presidential version that he told us he is more than capable of being. You know, when he announced his candidacy a year ago, no one thought he had any chance. He was at single digits in the poll. And here he stands tonight, the presumptive Republican nominee, a very different- sounding man. At least tonight.

Back with us now, our Fox News senior political analyst Brit Hume. Brit, what do you make of the speech?

HUME: Well, it was strikingly different from the meandering things he's been saying in recent days. Look, you can argue all you want about whether his promises are plausible or whether he can sustain them and defend them in a general election campaign. But these were the themes that got him nominated. That's what we heard tonight. On issue after issue after issue. And there's a lot in this for a lot of people.

And it's a message that will appeal to not just the segment of the Republican electorate that nominated him, but to a larger slice of the electorate as he tries to build a constituency large enough to elect him in the general. And that's what his business is about. And that's what this speech seemed tailored to do. And he delivered it effectively. Not at great length. And shorn of all the stuff that's caused him a lot of gratuitous distractions, destructions in recent days.

KELLY: Just before we went to Donald Trump, you were suggesting the Electorate Map would suggests that Donald Trump is going to lose this general election. I don't mean to suggest you have a case of whiplash, but did you change your mind in those four minutes?

HUME: No, no. He has any Republican nominee, if you look at the Electorate Map, faces a formidable challenge and begins inevitably as an underdog. If you look at the states that Democrats have won in cycle after cycle, and those Republicans have won, Democrats have won many more of them. They have a built-in Electoral College advantage because of the way the population is distributed in our country in the way the Electoral College snaps up.

So it's tough for any Republican. But it's impossible for Republican to win if he doesn't have or she doesn't have as the case may be a message that appeals to a broad cross-section of the electorate. And that's what the challenge that Donald Trump has faced and the opportunity that he's faced since he clinched the nomination some weeks ago. Begin to build out his appeal. So that he has a chance of winning enough states to win the election.

But we're going to be looking, Megyn, when we come this fall, we're going to be looking at a lot of the same states, we always are, when it comes to the end, Florida, Ohio and the rest of them, the swing states, and you know, he has a challenge. He's got to find a way to win those states where, you know, Democrats may outnumber Republicans, and that's the challenge.

KELLY: And you heard him tonight trying to speak out to not only the people he didn't win over during the Republican primary process but to Bernie Sanders voters who he believes and has said all along he thinks he can win with.

Brit, it's great to see you.

HUME: Thanks, Megyn.

KELLY: So, while Donald Trump was speaking, the Fox News decision desk projected that Donald Trump will win two more primaries tonight, one in New Mexico, one in South Dakota. In both states he was the only major candidate -- be happy about it, there you go.



So it's a bit -- I mean, it's secure. The nomination is all but secure.  Doesn't become official until July.

Joining me now with reaction, David Wohl, he's a Trump supporter and attorney. And Stuart Stevens who is a former campaign strategist to Mitt Romney 2012. And founding partner of Strategic Partners & Media.

All right. Our guests join us. All right, good to see you both. Let me start with you Stu, as a Trump critic, that was a different sounding Trump.  Could you get behind that Trump?

STUART STEVENS, FORMER ROMNEY CAMPAIGN STRATEGIST: Well, I think it should be a rule that all politicians read from teleprompters because it gives them a chance to formulate thoughts. Look, I thought it was a good speech.  It starts to lay the groundwork of addition. And that ultimately is what particularly a Republican is forced with. He's got to get people who aren't normally with you to convince them to come out and vote for you.  Democrats normally start with 240 electoral votes. Republicans start with more like 116. The question here --

KELLY: Crazy when you think about that. To say that again, the Democrats normally start with 242 Electoral Votes in the bag. Like states you know they're going to win. That they always win. And the Republicans normally start with how many?

STEVENS: Hundred and thirteen.


STEVENS: Two forty three is better. That's easier.

KELLY: Yes. Yes.

STEVENS: And I think -- I was interested to hear him speak about. Because people don't appreciate the difficulty of putting together a winning coalition in a presidential year which is a very different coalition --

KELLY: So, you know, the response to that David, which is those people and history has never seen anything like the Trump --

DAVID WOHL, TRUMP SUPPORTER: No, they haven't. And you want presidential, Megyn? I give you presidential. Donald Trump has this amazing way of taking negative energy and negative press and turning it into rocket fuel for his campaign and that's exactly what he did. I mean, there was an amazing speech. And on top of everything else, he teased Monday where he's going to have this huge disclosure about Hillary Clinton and I suspect -- I've got some ideas what it may be. But I'm going to leave it up to him that it will be huge.

And it's got to be something but the Clinton Foundation and the donations and possibly the e-mail scandal. But this man has a way of taking scandal, a min-scandal and flipping it into such positive press. I mean, in two weeks, three weeks, no one will know who Judge Curiel is. Everybody will have forgotten about the Trump University situation and will leave it to what it is, which is a relatively minor civil suit.  

KELLY: Yes. If you look back at the primary process, Stuart, he's exactly right, that's exactly what did happen, but it was typically because Trump would generate a new controversy that would then dwarf the old controversy and everybody would just move on because it's like, okay, it's the flavor of the day.  

STEVENS: The thing about -- presidency, it's different than any other office. You really are investing in what you think is the soul of the nation and what you think is the leadership of the nation. This is something what Ronald Reagan really could bring together. And I think that more than any candidate that we've seen in a long time, Donald Trump is the message. So the challenge for Donald Trump is going to be able to sustain a positive, not angry, inviting open message if he goes out to the country.  It's very hard to do.

You know, this isn't even the pregame warm-up for a campaign. I mean, this thing will be decided post-conventions. But he's got to sustain this. And really mean it from his heart and not just reading from a teleprompter.  That's true of any candidate but I think it's a particular challenge for him because two days ago, he was talking about how if you're born in Indiana, you're not really American.  

KELLY: Yes, how this judge's Hispanic heritage made them unfit --

WOHL: Megyn, he circled back on that one. And I think that, you know, it was the judge's affiliate much more than the judge's --

KELLY: That's not what he said.  

WOHL: Well, he didn't say it earlier, Megyn, I can tell you something, Donald Trump has --

KELLY: I can tell you, we have it on tape, five times, saying the fact that the guy had Hispanic parents.   WOHL: Donald Trump has a way of saying things and having a slightly different meaning than he intended. Now, I can tell you right now, I've spoken to him and if Ronald Reagan was called the great communicator, I can tell you right now that you just witnessed it. Donald Trump is also a great communicator in a different way.

Sometimes it can seem a little rough around the edges but the power of his words. And you just saw him reading off a prompter and it's so natural, by the way, that he could be a news anchor nut he's amazingly talented at communicating the ideas with such force and power that you believe. When he says he's going to do things, I mean you sit there and say, wow, I think he can really do it and that's just how...

KELLY: Last question to you Stu. He said...

STEVENS: I think David should run.

KELLY: He's got my vote. Stu, some say I'm too much of a fighter. My preference is peace. My goal is to bring people together. Can he sell that, given the history of his comments?

STEVENS: I think it's very difficult to do. If Trump -- Trump is someone whose instinct is to divide people, not bring people together. That's why he's got to sustain this


KELLY: Sorry we're having hecklers in the audience. It's the instant feedback. They love you. They mock because they love.

STEVENS: He has to sustain this and that's going to be the challenge for him.

KELLY: Great to see you both. Thank you guys.

WOHL: Thank you.

KELLY: So, you heard Brit Hume talking about the general election and we have put together a fierce focus group of bipartisan voters who will help decide this very election. When we come back, you will hear them take on the fight between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in a must see preview of the battle ahead, next.



KELLY: Welcome back everybody. We are live in beautiful San Diego, California where they are voting today, and now we have the focus group of voters with us here. Democrats and Republicans who are prepared to vote in this general election contest, which we're looking at next. You can feel and hear the enthusiasm. Chris Stirewalt is on his way over, I will talk to him too but I want to get to the focus group.

All right first of all, so for the Republicans in the group, raise your hand if you are on the fence about Trump prior to tonight. And did his speech do anything to assuage your concerns?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not especially, no. I am kind of a Never Trump Republican. I voted for Ted Cruz today. I'm proud of it. Yeah, Donald Trump, you know, I just am not so persuaded by him, you know. He's been a democrat most of his life. You know, a lot of his positions, he's swaying now and going back toward the liberal side of things and his speech...

KELLY: But what about you -- the people who feel as Dylan does, the Republicans, would you vote for Hillary Clinton? I mean, that's what the Republicans say. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gary Johnson. I'm libertarian. I've never -- I voted Republican my entire life and this year, I'm giving the other guy a chance.

KELLY: All right, anybody -- any other disaffected Republicans in here who don't love Trump but are going to vote for him anyway because they don't want to vote for Hillary Clinton? You, go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely. He's going to bring I think jobs back to America. Literally the United States government has sent manufacturing, customer service and tech support abroad while they've started giving American jobs to foreign workers. Absolutely not. They've created a labor crisis for the United States.

KELLY: The Democrats who are out here, is there -- because he was trying to appeal to Bernie Sanders supporters. Are there any Bernie Sanders supporters here? How about you? Would you consider Trump now that Bernie seems to be on the swan song?


KELLY: Never Trump, okay. So you go for Hillary?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Actually, I'm not even sure I would vote for Hillary but I know I would not vote for Trump.

KELLY: You know but Donald Trump is not stopping at the Republicans. He's trying to rein in some of the Democrats too. He thinks this is how he's going to build the winning coalition. He doesn't need the sort of never Trump Republicans. He can get enough Democrats over to him that he can win this election. Go ahead, you sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that Brit said it earlier. I think you'd really have to address the disaffected, you know, voters -- the 100 million people that don't vote and I think the candidate on either side that takes control of that particular sector because this is a nuclear election. It's going to be nuclear. This thing is going to get big. It's going to be bigger than anything that we've ever seen. But I think the motivation behind that is going to be the candidate that can actually talk to the people and make them come out and vote. That's the winner.

KELLY: Go ahead, Corey.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a horribly dispirited election. None of the above voters are probably going to decide this election. The swing state, it's going to come down to people who don't want Trump or don't want Hillary but can't make a decision between the two of them and have to pick one for their side or they try but whatever and it's hard to stay tuned in on.

KELLY: Let's hear from the Trump supporters because I know there are Trump supporters out here thinking these folks don't get it...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, what's going to cause Trump to win this election as those Bernie supporters are going to come over to him, because you know what, Hillary Clinton is the absolute worst decision for this country, okay. She has proved herself to be absolutely wrong. She's big government. She's not what this country needs. We need to go back to the constitution and it's all about economics. Economics is what's going to run this election cycle and country.

KELLY: Go ahead ma'am. Okay, let her respond. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would say yes she has proven herself and Donald Trump hasn't proven anything, okay. It's like a horse race. My dad was a racer...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has proven she cannot lead...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What would you rather vote on, the horse that hasn't ridden? The horse that can't even get into the gate because he doesn't respect a single soul, he can't get a rider on his back to even win the race. At least Hillary has already won two races as far as being a senator and being our Secretary of State and it's a triple crown.

KELLY: They want to get in on that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here's the difference -- here's the difference though...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The first woman...

KELLY: You ma'am, in the front.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, our first woman president, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hillary has the experience and she can take us where we need to go. Donald has done absolutely nothing but alienate everybody. Women, minorities. He just -- No, absolutely not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She's failed every time -- everything she's tried. She failed Namibia (ph). She sold them down the river (ph). She failed in Egypt. They're a mess (inaudible). The whole administration is -- Saudi Arabia, we need them as partners and then they know we got this guy, Donald Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trump doesn't make it better.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, he doesn't, he doesn't, he's already offending them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... by saying that we are a nation of immigrants.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He never once addressed the immigrant situation in this country.

KELLY: Illegal immigration?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I'm sorry, in the words of Eva Longoria, and I am Eva, she said the border crossed us. We did not cross the border. This country is made of people from every country in the world and when you choose to purposely alienate hundreds of thousands of millions of people from all ethnicities, all religious backgrounds...

KELLY: Go ahead Amanda.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They broke the law coming over. I grew up in San Diego. This is what we got to deal about our whole entire life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm sorry, and who is the person who cuts your lawn and takes care of your children and washes your dishes and scrubs your toilets.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah, I'm worried about the ones who wants to go away with financial aid from students like me though.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, that is the focus. I'm sorry Dillon (ph). They do not take away your financial aids. --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're not flying American flags. They're flying Mexico flags...


KELLY: Let me just ask you, you're a Trump supporter?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Irish flag in St. Patrick's day.

KELLY: What did you think about the comments about the judge which he didn't mention today but have been on the news?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm learning about it. I actually went to the Trump rally where he was produced (ph) speaking about it and I don't know much about it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... proud of their heritage...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I believe that there may be some bias with the judge with regards in...



KELLY: Go ahead, Corey.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What Donald Trump said is unacceptable and un-American to say that somebody's ethnicity can affect their own judgment is completely un-American. We are a nation of immigrants. We're in San Diego, California.


KELLY: Go ahead, ma'am.


KELLY: Let her go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: my family and to my daughter. When I look at Trump's website, the number one issue is his school, check it out. That's his number one issue. His number one policy is pay for the wall. I want someone who cares about education, economy, healthcare. I want someone who has true policies and true sense, if you check out the difference, if you want substance. I don't want somebody who goes to bed thinking about himself and who bothered him that day. I want someone going to bed and thinking about our future, our children.

KELLY: Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I respect what she's saying, but the reality is all the things you just mentioned, healthcare and all the things that continue to be a problem in this country, we don't really address. The media has their own way of saying things and I think the American people are fed up. I think they...

KELLY: So who do you like? Who do you like?


KELLY: You like Trump?


KELLY: Who are you voting for?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm a Trump supporter.

KELLY: Okay.



KELLY: You're convincing me or yourself? All right this is great, you guys, stand by.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you feel about how he treated you when you first had the first interview?

KELLY: It's not about me, it's not about me. My feelings are irrelevant. The only questions -- the only feelings that are relevant are yours.


KELLY: All right, I got to go. Standby.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ...unemployment rate in Chicago, that's the problem.

KELLY: Standby, standby, standby, because there's much, much more. I'm delighted to tell you. So, you want more of this, right? And I think these guys want to get in on it, right? I think they're having focus group envy. Don't go away because we have much more coming up including Frank Luntz who wants a shot at these folks.


KELLY: Breaking tonight, Hillary Clinton officially clinches the number of delegates to make her the presumptive Democratic nominee, but her challenger Bernie Sanders is not backing down quietly. His campaign says you should not expect to see the Senator drop out any time soon. Joining me now, Bernie Sanders supporter Nomiki Konst and Hillary Clinton supporter Congresswoman Linda Sanchez, great to see you both. Congresswoman let me start with you. It is history. This is history. First time a woman has secured the nomination of a major party.

LINDA SANCHEZ, CALIFORNIA CONGRESSWOMAN: Yes, absolutely historic and long overdue.

KELLY: What factor does that play in her securing the actual win in November?

SANCHEZ: I don't really think that it has much to do with that. I think that she stands on her own merits. If you look at her track record of accomplishments, of working on the issues that working families care most about. She's the most qualified candidate.

KELLY: What's she going to do to dispatch Bernie Sanders who seems to be holding on?

SANCHEZ: Well, look, I give Bernie Sanders a lot of credit. He has excited first-time participants into the system, younger voters. That's healthy for democracy and I think that's, you know, much to his credit. He's talking about issues that resonate with a whole generation.

KELLY: But he's talking on and on and on and on, she wants to get rid of him?

SANCHEZ: No, I understand that.

KELLY: He's talking too much she thinks.

SANCHEZ: Yes. I would just say this, look, there is a finite amount of time between now and the November election and the quicker that democrats can coalesce and unify behind our nominee, I think the better for us in terms of the outcome of the national election (ph).

KELLY: But you know, Bernie and his supporters and his campaign team has said forget that, we are still in this thing and, you know, we're going to go all the way to a contested convention.

NOMIKI KONST, BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTER: Absolutely, and that's because the rules, as you will notice, the DNC has not come out and declared that Hillary Clinton is the presumptive nominee because the rules are that the candidate needs to reach 2,383 pledge delegates.

KELLY: Right, and she's got super delegates mixed in.

KONST: Exactly, and a lot of them had been chosen yet, they're not found (ph). They're not so super in my opinion because some are lobbyists, some are answering (ph) to voters. Their voters have said that they want to vote -- they want Bernie Sanders...

KELLY: He says he's going to coonvert some over to his side, the Super Delegates, and so far he hasn't gotten any, in fact...

KONST: We got one today (ph).


KELLY: ...and that person went towards her.

KONST: Well, today there was one in California...

KELLY: he's got one.

KONST: Well, regardless of that, a contested convention, but that's not what democracy is about. Democracy should not be about a super delegate and equal 10,000 votes...

KELLY: It's your party.

KONST: this election. Exactly, so we're going to go to the convention, have a contested convention, try to push for change of rules, bring democracy back -- 43 percent of the country right now is independent and Bernie Sanders has brought in independents for progressive leaning into the party. The Democrats...

KELLY: But what about -- what about Congresswoman Sanchez's argument which is the party needs to unite because otherwise you're just going to see Hillary, the presumptive nominee, at least, struggle in her contest against Trump.

KONST: So, the issue here is the DNC has one job right now and that's to elect the most electable candidate. Bernie Sanders is the only one beating Trump. He beats Trump...

KELLY: His polls are still better than her versus Trump.

SANCHEZ: Sure, but look at the fact that if you just look at the pledged delegates, too, Hillary Clinton is leading so...

KONST: Maybe not after California.

SANCHEZ: ...this attempt to sort of sway super delegates would undermine the outcome of popular voting which clearly favors Hillary Clinton and I'm just going to say this, there's too much at stake in the November election because I think Bernie Sanders at the end of the end of the day has more in common with the values of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party than they do with Donald Trump and I don't take anything for granted. Donald Trump is a dangerous man. He's a divisive man and I think in order to have our best to beat him, we need to unite and we need to be rowing in the same direction.

KONST: And we should unite by the kind of candidate that can win, and that's Bernie Sanders. We're going to a contested convention.

SANCHEZ: I disagree.

KELLY: Great to see you both. Thanks for being here.

KONST: Thank you for having us.

KELLY: Well, a fired up focus group and Chris Stirewalt are next. Don't go away.   


KELLY: Welcome back everybody. Here we are in San Diego, California with a fired up group of focus people and Chris Stirewalt, our Fox News digital politics editor. Chris, first of all, what did you make of the Trump speech tonight, the pivot speech as they're now talking about it?

STIREWALT, FOX NEWS DIGITAL POLITICS EDITOR: Too much Republican, not enough Trump. Trump needs to be more Trump.

KELLY: What do you mean?

STIREWALT: So, the Republican Party --

KELLY: He can't win.

STIREWALT: No, no, he can't win. He did win. He won faster than Mitt Romney, he did it in 13 weeks.

KELLY: But when he does the sort of Trump, Judge Curiel stuff, he gets pummeled. Be more presidential, that is more presidential and you say be more Trump.

STIREWALT: I am 100 percent in favor of the idea that what Donald Trump needs to be is true to the person who God made him to be. And that person is loud, that person is controversial, that person angers Republicans. He needs to stay in that space and keep doing it because as soon as he acts like Reince Priebus wants him to act, boom.

KELLY: You guys agree with that?


KELLY: Oh, wow. Look at that.

STIREWALT: Look at how good looking and smart these people are. Obviously they agree with me. Obviously.

KELLY: So raise your hand if you believe in the let Trump be Trump? I know you're a democrat. He doesn't mean it in the same way the rest of you mean it.



KELLY: Yes, go ahead. You in the front.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Part of the establishment of the Republican Party does not want to change what they are because they're really RINOs. They're not really conservatives.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Republican Party needs to be shaken up and Trump is the person to do it. They have failed miserably in power. As somebody who started out voting as a Republican, I have been so utterly disappointed in this party recently. Trump brings some needed change and if he's arrogant and he's obnoxious, great. Far better than a criminal.

KELLY: Other than -- better than a criminal. They like the wrecking ball effect. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everything you said is true, but there's also a theory out there that says well, he's going to be so in over his head and he's already going to the party to get help. That it's going to be an establishment Republican Party, anyway, or an establishment...

KELLY: You really think Trump will wind up bowing to the establishment?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think -- I think...

STIREWALT: Wait a minute, wait a minute. You can't do the dance. It's either the Trump, the whole Trump and nothing but the Trump. There's no other Trump. There's not like in other setting when you say I'm only Trump until about 1:00.

KELLY: It's like this one goes to the...

STIREWALT: I'm only Trump until about 1:00.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If Trump changes who he is, he's not going to win this and this country is going to continue to go down in flames. We need somebody to come in and stir the pot. It's unfortunate, but it's true. Somebody needs to fix this. He will get the people in the middle, absolutely.


KELLY: Wait, wait. Led Sidney make her point then you, sir. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm a conservative through and through and I can't stand any of these politicians. I don't care if they're Republicans or Democrats in Washington or in California.

KELLY: You like -- you like...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm for Trump. It's the only time I'm not going to plug my nose when I vote for president.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you like him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's a conservative, he's a free enterpriser.



KELLY: You in the back, sir, I promised you next. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trump is going to defend (ph)... Yeah, I'm an independent and there's no way in the world if Donald Trump keeps up with the egotistical buffoonery, he's going to pull me towards him. He alienates me which millions of Americans...

STIREWALT: Dale (ph) are we counting out egotistical buffoonery in politics now?


STIREWALT: Is egotistical buffoonery out in politics now?

KELLY: So judgmental.


KELLY: For everybody here, clap if you think Donald Trump is going to win the election.


KELLY: Okay. And now -- and now clap if you think it's going to be Hillary.


KELLY: OK, I don't know how exactly weighted the groups are, just to be full disclosure there. Thank you all so much for watching. Thank you, San Diego. Bret and I will be back at 11:00 for special coverage. Good night.

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