Gingrich: Trump's pivot speech a big step in right direction; Trump calls Trump U case a 'disgrace'

Former House speaker explains on 'Hannity'


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," June 7, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." This is a Fox News Alert. Polls in Montana have just closed. And in just a few moments, Donald Trump will join us right here, and Fox News is projecting he now has enough delegates to win the nomination.

But first tonight, Fox News is projecting that Hillary Clinton has, in fact, clinched the Democratic nomination. Now, she's getting ready to address supporters in Brooklyn, New York.

First, joining us, former speaker of the House, Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich here with reaction. I watched a very different Donald Trump tonight in that speech. I want to get your take on it.

NEWT GINGRICH, FMR. HOUSE SPEAKER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I thought that he was exactly what he should be. He was presidential. He was controlled. It was thoughtful. It was a set piece speech. It's what people want from a president. They want somebody they can rely on, who's thought it through and who they can count on to follow through. I thought it was a very big step in the right direction, and I frankly felt very, very good about it.

HANNITY: You have been saying that he's got to transition from primary mode -- and even David Axelrod, of all people -- I actually found myself in agreement with some of his comments, which is very rare -- suggested that you got to transition from a primary mode into a general election mode.

Do you feel he accomplished that tonight after a couple of tough days?

GINGRICH: Well, I think he certainly made a huge step in the right direction. If he can stay on this path and stay this disciplined, he's going to be very formidable and he's going to beat Hillary very badly this fall. She will not recover if she's caught up in a big issue election with a disciplined Donald Trump. They won't be in the same league.

HANNITY: You know, he talked a lot about very specific things, and the message was clear, putting America first on foreign policy, on energy, on the economy, fixing our schools, getting -- bringing back jobs, infrastructure, all of these things, America first and here's what America first means. So there seems to be now he's drawn that line in the sand.  All right, here's Hillary, she's corrupt. I'm giving a full speech on her on Monday. But this is what the differences are. So this is going to be a choice election.

GINGRICH: Well, look, I think Hillary's version, which is sort of setting the international order first, whatever that means, is a huge contrast to Donald Trump putting America first. And I think that you can go through item after item and see how dramatically different they are.

I also want to warn the Clinton people. They shouldn't assume that getting these delegates means the end of the game. Philadelphia's potentially a very, very contentious convention, and the Sanders people aren't going to go away. And I think, for example, there will be a big vote over -- an anti-Israeli vote on the floor of the Philadelphia convention. And Hillary still has a long way to go before she gets secure control of her party.

HANNITY: Yes, Trump actually appealed to Bernie supporters especially because he agrees with him on some of the bad trade deals America has made, and he actually talked about the Clintons winning in a rigged system. I would argue the superdelegate system is a rigged system. And you know, when you have one candidate, you know, the one with the coronation, getting nearly 600 superdelegates and the other guy getting 50, clearly, the establishment Democratic Party picked her from the get-go.

GINGRICH: Well, at Gingrichproductions.com, I wrote a newsletter last week talking about the idea of oligarchy versus democracy, and ironically, it's the Democrats who've decided to create this unique senior elite group that can -- that represents 40 percent of the votes you need to win the nomination. It's totally rigged. They're going to, I think, have to abolish it.

I notice that Elizabeth Warren came out the other day raising significant questions about it. A number of state parties are now opposing it. It's just a rigged game, and I think it further taints and corrupts the process by which Hillary is winning the nomination.

HANNITY: Do you think that Bernie has pushed her solidly enough to the left where she's far more uncomfortable than she otherwise would have wanted to -- would want to be at this point? Does that put her in a position that she grabs Bernie, does she grab Elizabeth Warren, to get on the ticket and run with her, to appeal to the Bernie supporters that obviously feel disenfranchised?

GINGRICH: Well, I think she's probably going to have either an African- American or a Latino vice presidential nominee. I think she's probably going to accept a platform much more radical than she would like, and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are going to write a large part of that platform.

But I think the bigger problem for Hillary Clinton is reality. Last Friday, we learned the U.S. last month created one job for every 8,000 Americans. Now, an economy growing so slowly, only creating one new job per every 8,000 people is an economy you can't defend, and yet she's trapped into defending it.

HANNITY: She's trapped into defending it because she's defended it all along, as she has defended horrible foreign policy agenda which Donald Trump went into, and that includes Iraq, the creation of ISIS and Libya and straight on down the line.

But I think it's even worse than that because one in five American families don't have a single family member in the workforce. One in six young American males 18 to 34 are either incarcerated or out of work. We've doubled the national debt. Obama will accumulate more debt than any other president before him combined, 12.4 million more people on food stamps, 10 million more people in poverty.

I don't know how you run on those statistics. How do you run on those numbers? And don't those people that maybe bought into change -- don't they feel the suffering and maybe realize that they were sold a bill of goods?

GINGRICH: Well, that's where Donald Trump has a huge opportunity to run a very big issue campaign to go into those neighborhoods. I mean, go into neighborhoods where people are unemployed, go into neighborhoods -- for example, Chicago's had a 50 percent increase in shootings this year. Just to run in there and say, Wouldn't you like to have a president who cared enough to try to stop the killings?

Might be very attractive to African-Americans in South Side Chicago who have been totally neglected by Hillary Clinton, who's, by the way, a native of Chicago, and totally neglected by Barack Obama, who came from Chicago.

HANNITY: Yes. Let me ask, you have said many times on this program that Donald Trump's at his best when he thinks big, when he goes big. I want you to expand on that thought because especially in light of the controversy this week -- and you were critical on Sunday, and I noticed, you know, the Republicans that wouldn't fight Obama were quick to jump on Donald Trump, which bothers me somewhat because if they would have fought Obama as hard as they're fighting Trump, maybe they would have stopped some of Obama's agenda, but that's a different story.

But more specifically, what did you mean by going big versus small?

GINGRICH: Well, offering the kind of infrastructure program that a great builder like Donald Trump could imagine, whether it's ports, highways, railroads, rebuilding America so we're a first world country again, so we're the most competitive nation in the world, rethinking all of the regulatory process to make it easy for small businesses to get started.  Trump understands exactly the importance of small businesses, and he could become the small business candidate while Hillary is the bureaucratic red tape candidate.

Doing what he is doing. Let's get it up here to this level. He wants to put America first. She wants to put some vague confusing internationalism first. He wants real results. He thinks that Libya's a failure. What does she think? He thinks that Somalia is a failure. What does she think?

If he gets it up to that level and keeps it at that level, he's going to beat her badly because the results are so terrible at every level, including, by the way, in the Latino community, where you can really go in and talk about jobs and education and health care and have a very strong audience that wants their children to have a better future.

HANNITY: All right, let me ask you a deeper question, especially if we're going to put America first on foreign policy. I was a supporter of the Iraq war. But I always liked Trump's idea of having them pay for it and give us the oil, especially for military families that have sacrificed so much.

But if we don't learn from Vietnam, where we lost 58,000 people, and we pulled out early and we didn't win the war, if we win Mosul, Tikrit, Fallujah and Ramadi only to have another president politicize the war, pull out and allow ISIS to take its place, the very cities Americans fought, bled and died for, American treasure -- do we really have to now consider the idea that America doesn't have the stomach for any long, protracted type of conflict in light of those two recent examples?

GINGRICH: No. I think all we have to say is Americans are very much in favor of wars that are unavoidable, World War II when the Japanese attacked us...

HANNITY: Different story.

GINGRICH: ... and right after 9/11 -- right after 9/11. And Americans are very much for smart wars. Remember, Ronald Reagan built up the American military dramatically. He never engaged in a big conflict. He was very, very careful.

I don't think Trump wants to run from ISIS. Trump wants to take American firepower, American intelligence capabilities, work with the Saudis, the Turks and others and destroy ISIS. But one of the differences is Trump is prepared to recognize that Russia is a real player.


HANNITY: That's a more intelligence approach, isn't it?

GINGRICH: ... more important than being irritated with Putin.

HANNITY: You're the historian. Isn't that the more intelligent approach in light of how we've now learned wars can be politicized halfway through and that the American public appetite for long-term conflict doesn't exist?

GINGRICH: Look, 500 years before Christ, Sun Tzu wrote "The Art of War," which is the most...

HANNITY: I've read it many times.

GINGRICH: ... fascinating treatise on warfare.


GINGRICH: And he says in there, there are no good long wars.


GINGRICH: We've been at war now for 14 years, since 9/11. If this was World War II, this would be 1955. If we were still fighting imperial Japan in 1955, we'd be torn apart as a country. So I think Trump has an instinct here...

HANNITY: I agree with you.


GINGRICH: ... rebuild your military, build up your allies and insist that they take their share of the burden, and then do things decisively with minimum risk to Americans. I think that's close to what Eisenhower and Reagan believed in.

HANNITY: All right. Good point. We'll continue. Newt Gingrich stays with us right after the break.

And later, we're going to talk with the GOP nominee, Donald Trump. That and more on this busy news night. And of course, the polls in California closing in one hour from right now. Well, less than, that, about, well, 49 minutes. We'll continue.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." And this is a Fox News Alert.  Fox News can now project that Donald Trump won the Montana Republican primary.

Hillary Clinton is about to hold an address to supporters in Brooklyn, New York. When she steps onto the stage, we'll dip in and take a little of that.

But first, we continue with former speaker of the House, Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich. I'm going to play two videos. This is now becoming a very common occurrence at Trump events. The first video's in San Jose. A young woman is surrounded by, like, a mob. Many of them have Mexican flags, and they actually come right up to her face and throw an egg at this poor woman. I'm going to run that. And then you're going to see a young man literally being chased by a mob again in San Jose. That happened the other day, and I want to get your comment on it.

Let's roll this tape.






HANNITY: All right, now you can see a woman being punched here. You see another brawl breaking out here. Again, these are anti-Trump -- now, this kid in the red shirt, now watch. You got these guys with their faces covered. They chase him. He starts running because there are so many people following him. And then, of course, you got the media. They're following, as well. But you got a mob of people.

This guy in the yellow shirt got hit so hard, you can see there he's bleeding from outside of his ear when he got hit and cold-cocked by the guy. The kid in the red shirt continues to run and gets tackled by one of these guys.

This is happening at every event almost now. It's now a regular occurrence. What do you think's happening? How do you analyze this?

GINGRICH: Well, this is the Scott Walker effect in Madison, where you had over 100,000 left-wingers show up to protest the results of the Wisconsin election. You see this over and over again. There's a fascism of the left which believes that it has the moral right to impose by violence and by intimidation.

You'll notice it's not Trump people. You don't see this at a Sanders rally. You don't see this at a Hillary rally. And you get this on college campuses.

I talked to a parent tonight whose two sons go to two very different elite schools, each of which makes the sons feel like they should be very quiet.  They should recognize that they can't be publicly conservative. They should recognize that they're supposed to feel guilty about being white.

And the level of left-wing coercion and intimidation, literally fascism on the left that we are now experiencing in America, is startling. And the first standard ought to be that the police should enforce the law. These people ought to go to jail.

HANNITY: Well, the San Jose mayor...


HANNITY: ... actually blamed Donald Trump for what these people did.

GINGRICH: You try to reform this corrupt system, and you're going to have the people who are winning from the corruption get really angry, and they're going to be in the streets.

HANNITY: All right, a former Secret Service agent, a guy that was outside of the White House door -- I'm sure you probably met him because you were speaker...

GINGRICH: I know him.

HANNITY: Chris Byrne (sic). All right. So he's written this book, "Crisis of Character." It's coming out a month before the Democratic convention. He says Hillary Clinton lacks the integrity and the temperament to serve in office. He further went on to say and talk about in the book that she has an appalling leadership style, an explosive temper, impulsive, enabled by sycophants and think the rules don't apply to her and has no business being president of the United States.

How seriously should they, the American people, take those comments?

GINGRICH: Well, I think people are already troubled by the corruption of the Clinton Foundation. They're already troubled by the e-mails that are breaking national security. I think those folks are going to find this book very compelling. I think the fanatic Hillary supporters are just going to shrug it off, like they shrugged everything else off.

HANNITY: Yes, they probably will. Do you think this FBI primary -- do you think James Comey looking into the e-mail server scandal -- and we have a former U.S. attorney says it's a red flag that one lawyer is representing four of the people in that case earlier today.

Do you think that if the FBI and James Comey puts forth a criminal referral and they decide not to indict at the Justice Department -- do you think that's a likely possibility?

GINGRICH: No. I think if they recommend a prosecution, that the Justice Department is going to go along with him because I don't think Attorney General Lynch wants to go down in history as somebody who stopped the FBI from pursuing justice.


GINGRICH: But I have to tell you, Sean, when you read today, the State Department saying it would take them 75 years to undo the e-mails of Clinton's associates -- 75 years -- you can't get a better argument for, frankly, abolishing the State Department in its current form and rehiring and creating a whole new system.

I mean, this government is so out of -- you had the same thing with the IRS yesterday. This government is so out of touch with reality. The bureaucrats are so arrogant. The rules are so written against the American people that we're going to have to have a very, very deep house-cleaning to get the American government to be manageable again.

GINGRICH: By the way, on the other side of the screen, looks like -- we're showing Clinton headquarters. Looks like they turned the lights down.  Apparently, there's going to be a big video that they're going to be showing.

They're making a big deal of the fact that she would be the first woman nominated by a major party to run for president. Obviously, she's tried to play the gender card before. How big of a part will that play in the campaign?

GINGRICH: Well, look, it is a big deal. I mean, I think at some level, virtually every woman in the country has some level of pride that we've now broken the ultimate glass ceiling in American politics.

On the other hand, I find, particularly with younger women, there's not a great deal of excitement about somebody like Hillary Clinton who has been fighting this stuff since 1972, been around forever, has all these scandals surrounding her. There's not some sense that she's owed it.

I think younger women actually are beginning to believe we'll get a woman president in the near future, just as we have women governors and women U.S. senators and congresswomen, and these things are all coming down the road.

It is a big moment. I think people should at least recognize that it's a remarkable thing about America, just as electing an African-American was a remarkable thing about America. But I don't think that means she's going to win the election on the women's vote because I think her record on security and her record on jobs is so terrible and the cost of her health system is so expensive that most women are going to decide they can't afford Hillary Clinton.

HANNITY: How do you -- if you had to rate her -- you know, she kind of seems to have supported Obama's economic policy. We know where she stands on Libya. We know that she messed up in Benghazi. We know that ISIS took over in Iraq. We know that Iran now is getting nuclear weapons and all this money that we otherwise wouldn't have given them.

I got to imagine that the record matters, and I got to imagine that the millions more in poverty, on food stamps, out of work and out of the labor force maybe after eight years of Obama figured out that liberalism is not - - it may be full of great hope and promise, but reality is, it has failed once again.

GINGRICH: Yes. I think there's a great opportunity for Trump to run a results versus words campaign and just point out that she has all the words down, she's got great speech writers, she sounds really good, she went to really fancy schools, but here are the results. And as I said earlier, when you learn that the U.S. last month created one job for every 8,000 Americans, you know the results are terrible.


HANNITY: But I'm watching the support of Hillary and I watched eight years of Obama. I always thought America was a center-right country. Is America no longer a center-right country? Will this election tell us whether it is or not?

GINGRICH: No. I think -- I think Obama was a unique moment in American history. And remember, he ran as a centrist. He promised us...

HANNITY: Well, he hid his radicalism, and the media helped him.

GINGRICH: You were the only person in that first campaign who correctly pointed out day after day the radical roots of Obama.


HANNITY: You actually called me, told me I was going too hard on him one time. I don't know if you remember that phone call. You actually said, You need to chill out a little bit, Hannity. I think that phone call came from you.

GINGRICH: I was wrong.

HANNITY: I didn't mean it that way.


HANNITY: No, I did not mean it that way. Have you gotten...


HANNITY: We're about to have to take this speech. Did you get a call from the Trump people about either your comments on Sunday or about being VP?

GINGRICH: I'm talking with a lot of Trump people. I hope to talk to Donald tomorrow. I think that everything's now moving in the right direction, and I'm very, very positive about how it's developing.

HANNITY: All right, here's Hillary Clinton. She is in Brooklyn, New York.  The lights were out. Maybe they showed a movie. I heard there was going to be a video that was going to be part of this presentation tonight. She addressed her supporters. She's has now clinched the Democratic nomination.

Look at that big smile! What a moment for Hillary. As she takes to the podium in Brooklyn, New York, we'll dip in and see what she has to say.


HANNITY: All right, there's Hillary Clinton accepting the Democratic nomination in Brooklyn, New York. A very enthusiastic group of Brooklyn supporters.

And joining us now, Fox News senior correspondent Geraldo Rivera, Fox News contributor Tucker Carlson. And did you dress for the occasion or -- what is that?


HANNITY: You know, here's my take. Seriously, I'm listening very closely.  I'm thinking, oh, Wall Street, Main Street. You know, she goes through all these things. I'm like, what are you talking about? This woman made more money, $225,000 a pop, giving more Wall Street banker speeches than anybody in the history of mankind. Her and her husband in two years made $50 million sucking up to these people.

RIVERA: Well --

HANNITY: Come on.

RIVERA: Preaching the gospel. I think it is important and it might wear down some of the glow from this admittedly historic evening.

HANNITY: I thought the Trump speech was far more interesting.

RIVERA: But our friend must stop self-inflicting injuries on himself, which he has done. He must grow the Republican Party, not shrink it. And I think with her tone and the tenor reaching out to the Sanders voters --

HANNITY: She can claim that Donald Trump's temporarily unfit to be president, but there's a Secret Service guy that watched her for eight years and her husband in the White House and he says she's temperamentally unfit for her explosive temper.

RIVERA: I agree. But you know what she's doing to do, Sean, she's going to spend $1 billion highlighting all of his intemperate remarks. The more she portrays him as a crazy person, as an unfit, temperamentally unfit person, and she does it in that modulated tone -- you notice she's stopping the shrieking now. Now she's sounding more, dare I say it, presidential.

HANNITY: It will be back.

RIVERA: It may, but so far, I think from her point of view, so good. I think that Trump has -- he dug himself a hole. I noticed, I thought Speaker Gingrich earlier today was chastened by his --

HANNITY: No. You know what, he got what he wanted. He was sending a message. And the message was, hey, be smart. This is not a primary. This is now a general election.

I'll throw that -- you know, I watched the speech. This is my take, Tucker. Every poll-tested word and phrase, cliche, I heard in the Hillary speech. Thoughts?

TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS HOST: Yes. It was banal. But here's what I was so struck by. It was missing the main lesson of her race against Bernie.  How did a 74-year-old charmless Menshevik run this race until June?  Because he's actually running on something. He has an actual program.  It's insane but it speaks to the real concerns and anxieties of the middle class. What was her speech just about? Same old identity politics.

HANNITY: I have got to take a quick break.

When we come back, my interview with Donald Trump is straight ahead. Don't go anywhere. He'll counter what she just said.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So Fox News is now projecting Donald Trump has enough bound delegates now to clinch the Republican nomination.  Earlier tonight I spoke with the presumptive GOP nominee. Let's take a look.


HANNITY: Mr. Trump, I know you released a lengthy statement today as it relates to the whole Trump University case. Included in that is a website where people can look at the comments, the approval of all those students that liked your course. Two questions regarding this. One, do you think you should have stuck to the politics of the case where the judge has a political agenda? And do you regret that at all?

DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMIEE: No. I like to say what it is.  And so many people are now seeing that this whole thing is a disgrace. We have thousands of people, I don't know, exactly, like 10,000 or something thereabout, where they're really happy with it. They gave great marks, excellents and very, very good, and all of these great remarks, they wrote beautiful statements. We have thousands of these evaluations where they evaluate after the course is finished they evaluate. And I'm going through a trial. It's a disgrace.

And frankly I thought, and a lot of people thought we should have won that trial in summary judgment. We should have to go through, but we're going to win it. Look, when all of these people come up and give you these great evaluations like report cards, and also the people that took the course, the people that became plaintiffs, they have evaluations that are so incredible. These are the people suing to get their money back. They want to get their money back. The evaluations are incredible.

And the woman who originally brought the case was a total disaster, an absolute disaster for the plaintiff. And what happened, I mean, they saw how bad she was. They took her deposition. She was a complete and utter mess as far as her case is concerned. So they go to the judge and they asked a judge, we want to get her out of the case. He lets her out of the case and that means great, that means we win the case because the plaintiff has just dropped out of the cased. They left her out of the case but he wants the case to continue.

So it's really unfair. We have thousands and thousands of people, but I'm not going to talk about it anymore. I want to talk about jobs. I want to talk about our depleted military. I want to talk about our borders and drugs pouring through into our country. I want to talk about things like that. I don't want to even talk about it anymore.

HANNITY: In my investigation I found out Bill Clinton got paid $16.5 million as being the chancellor of Laureate University which is a worldwide, mostly online university, with many complaints in Rio, many complaints in Chile, many complaints in Latin American. He got paid this money. Hillary invited and included this group at a State Department dinner. And $16.5 million is a lot, and as many if not more complaints than what you have gotten. But I don't think people have heard about Laureate University. So I've got to believe that's frustrating to you.

TRUMP: Not only that, an Obama appointee judge, which, say what you want.  It was an Obama appointee. And the law firm appointed or okayed by the judge, gave hundreds of thousands, I think it was $900,000 or $700,000 in speaking fees to the Clintons. It must have been a great speech. But they paid that in speaking fees to the Clintons, plus they contributed tremendous amounts of money to the campaign, plus they paid a lot of money to Eric Schneiderman, the attorney general of New York. They gave him campaign contributions.

And the whole thing is disgusting. We're going to win. Look, when you have thousands and thousands of accolades for this deal, that's why I never settle. How can you settle something --

HANNITY: One last comment.

TRUMP: I just want to -- I look forward to the trial.

HANNITY: When you hear Republicans --


HANNITY: In the last 24 hours, I'm thinking I haven't heard some of these Republicans attack Barack Obama who was able to pass an agenda because they won't fight him as hard as they're fighting you. Is that a feeling that you have?

TRUMP: Well, it's sad. I don't care where the judge comes from or where judges come from. I just want to get a fair shake. And we've had some very unfair opinions coming down. And you wonder what is going on. And I will tell you some of the Republicans, and in all fairness there's some of the people that I went through war with, and I won. And there is a lot of anxiety there. There is a lot of anger, I guess, anger. They just can't some back. They can't get over it. So they have to get over it ideally.  As to whether or not they endorse me, it's OK if they don't. But they have to get over it. They shouldn't be so angry for so long.

HANNITY: As you move forward in this campaign cycle, I would assume with Hillary Clinton that everything has to be fair game. Do you see a scenario where it's possible, because there's this whole FBI primary, if you will, and James Comey, if he makes a criminal referral, now she's won the nomination. Does that change the game? Do you suspect the Democrats would want to take that nomination away from her, and would that concern you?

TRUMP: Well, even Bernie Sanders yesterday was referring to a criminal problem she has with the FBI. And I will tell you that a lot of people who have done far less wrong than what she's done are right now destroyed, and destroyed, their whole life is destroyed, whether it's General Petraeus or others, and they did a fraction of what she did. So it's going to be interesting to see. She's being protected, otherwise they wouldn't have let it go on this long. But she has really done things that were wrong and illegal.


HANNITY: All right, coming up, polls are about to close in the big state of California. We'll have more HANNITY right after the break. Thanks for being with us.  


HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity." This is a Fox News alert. Polls are about to close any second in the state of California. Stay with Fox News Channel for continuing coverage. We'll be live all night. Let not your heart be troubled. Bret, Megyn, Bill, and Martha are standing by, and they'll take you through the rest of the night. California closes in nine, eight, seven, six, five, four -- anyway, have a great night. We'll see you back here tomorrow night.

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