Gingrich: The 'Trump experience' is totally unique

Former House speaker weighs in on 'Hannity'


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," June 1, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: All right, we're going to keep an eye on Donald Trump's rally in California.

Coming up, we'll check in with Newt Gingrich. He's here to weigh in on the 2016 race.

Plus tonight...


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: If -- if -- if we fall for, you know, a bunch of okey-doke, just because, you know, it -- you know, it sounds funny.


HANNITY: Okey-doke. All right. The president can't quite get the words out when going after Donald Trump. Newt Gingrich will weigh on that, also the corrupt media and Trump's attacks on Hillary tonight.

Later, also, Doug Schoen has a brand-new article out saying he thinks Hillary may not be the nominee for the Democrats. He'll join us, tell us why, and what happens if she loses the Golden State.

All that and more on this busy news night tonight on "Hannity."



DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Who likes Jerry Brown? Anybody like Jerry Brown?


TRUMP: Because he just endorsed Hillary. He said, I want crooked Hillary!  I want that crook to run my country.

A Trump administration is going to make America work again, going to get rid of the airport lines. We're going to rebuild our military! We're going to invest in missile defense! We're going to have new roads, bridges, infrastructure, all of that stuff.


HANNITY: Donald Trump just a few moments ago attacking Hillary Clinton at a rally in Sacramento, California.

Joining us now, the co-author of "Rediscovering God in America: Reflections on the Role of Faith in our Nation's History and Future," former speaker of the House, Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich.

He said -- he really -- you're smiling. He really went hard after Hillary.  She's not presidential, low energy, which was interesting, that she was asleep when the ambassador was killed and she lied about it, bad judgment, broke federal law, anybody else would be in jail, a disgrace to the laws of this country, and then went forward with his agenda about building the wall, creating jobs, et cetera.

This is seemingly now a pivot, a big change in terms of now he's going after Hillary, as he promised. How effective will that be?

NEWT GINGRICH, R-FMR. HOUSE SPEAKER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Oh, I think it'll be very effective. Look, I think if you really dislike Trump, none of this has any impact on you. But for people in general, there's a rhythm there.  There's a pattern. You got a guy who's very self-confident. He has an opponent who is really unable to really do the job of being a candidate for president.

So the gap between the two of them, I think, will get bigger and bigger.  He is funny. And it's totally unique. I mean, there is no model here.  It's not Ronald Reagan. It's not Richard Nixon. It's not Barack Obama.  It's not Bill Clinton. It is a Donald Trump unique, extraordinary experience. And you have to relax and take it for that kind of a unique experience.

HANNITY: Well, I'm going to get to the issue of what his agenda is and how effective he'll be and the promises he's making and running on, which I think is still very conservative. I know you always say nationalist populist, but I want to go over that with you in a minute. He's been taking on the media in a pretty profound way.

Back in 2007 and '08, I said journalism in America is dead. I remember you were in one debate and you said, That's a Mickey Mouse question, for example. And you know, it seems that people are getting it.

We've got Telemundo that is now -- has their camera guys choreographing news caught on tape. We've got the New York Times debunked story about Trump and women. But they don't interview Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones. Then you got Katie Couric inserting eight seconds of dead air and including dramatic music to create something that didn't happen.

So it seems like when he says the media is scum and liars, that's resonating because most people don't trust them.

GINGRICH: Yes, look, I know lots of reporters, as you do. Most of them as individuals are decent human beings. But almost all of them are on the left.

I think sometimes that Trump overreaches when he doesn't need to. All he's really got to say is, Look, these folks are our opponents. These reporters are on the other team. This is like having a bunch of referees in the ball game who are on the side of the other guys, you know, go in and actually block, tackle and carry the ball. I think he can do it without some of the nastiness because the truth is...

HANNITY: I don't think it's nasty, but if they're writing things about...


HANNITY: If The New York Times writes a story that you abused women, and all the women in the story come out and they defend you and say that The New York Times purposely manipulated your words, I don't think there's -- I think they deserve what they get.

GINGRICH: Well first of all, that's not most of the reporters in The New York Times, many of whom I know personally. That's Pinch Sulzberger, the guy who's the head of The Times.

Now what Trump ought to do is say, If anybody had any integrity at all, they'd fire him. First of all, he's a bad businessman. He's done a series of terrible deals. He is gradually destroying The New York Times, and he's a hard-line, left-wing nutcake. And they just go to go straight at him.

But I know many people -- you're the same way. Sean, look, we both know really honest, really decent people who are in a larger world. Now, do I think that the larger world's biased against Trump? Yes. Overwhelmingly.  Do I think it's a pretty clever tactic to take him head on? I proved that in 2011 and '12 when I did it.

I mean, the country will side with the candidate against the media almost every time because they offer you such a huge, gigantic, stupid target.  This latest thing about Trump's donations to veterans, which turns out to be almost $6 million versus the Clintons, which is about $75,000, is so pathetic and grotesque.

The news media just can't stop and say, You know, he's a pretty good guy who did a pretty good thing for people who we really admire. No, they again (INAUDIBLE) this baloney. And then they treat Hillary as though she's a real person and a serious person. She's saying, Oh, the news media pressured him into doing it. She hasn't had a press conference in, I think, 180 days!

HANNITY: Isn't it amazing? I mean, it's almost a phenomenon between Telemundo, Katie Couric and the other examples that I'm bringing -- The New York Times debunked story, and then their choice of stories. They don't look into the Clinton enabling question of women and the smearing and slandering and besmirching.

But now everything seems to backfire. He gave $6 million. Hillary gave $70,000, or the Clinton Foundation. You have the judge presiding over the Trump University case is a member of La Raza, a group of lawyers, the race, as you know. And then we find out the judge -- the law firm, Robbins Geller (ph), appointed by Judge -- the judge in that case to represent the plaintiff in the Trump University case has another connection beyond donating $2,700 to Hillary Clinton.

It seems that Robert Geller (ph) paid the Clintons nearly a half a million dollars for two speeches! Everything seems to boomerang back! I've never seen it like this before. It's hilarious.

GINGRICH: Well, but, no, there's a reason. Donald Trump is the first genuine outsider in my lifetime to take on the entire national establishment in both the Republican and Democratic parties. And what's beginning to be obvious is it is a huge establishment. By the way, it's a corrupt establishment, and it's an establishment which pays off each other and it's an establishment with all sorts of inside deals. And so what's beginning to come out is these guys are really sick!

HANNITY: It's true.

GINGRICH: And Trump is really different.

HANNITY: And Trump is exposing them.

GINGRICH: Well, and part of it's not just Trump, but part of it is that when you get into these kind of fights, any reasonable, honest person says, Well, give me the details, and you suddenly look and you go, What?

I mean, and over and over again, you find that Hillary's at the center of a cesspool of corruption which runs from the Clinton Foundation to the State Department to the campaign machine in a way that, frankly, in the tradition of the founding fathers, is sickening. It is everything we had an American revolution to get rid of!

HANNITY: You know, there was a Rasmussen poll out today that 71 percent of Democrats, even if she's indicted, still think she should continue running.  And Trump on the honesty question beats her 2 to 1, and consistently, 65- plus percent of Americans think she is a liar, dishonest and untrustworthy.

How could such a person win like that with those numbers?

GINGRICH: Look, this is a remarkable test of where we are as a country right now. Charles Murray at the American Enterprise Institute wrote an extraordinary book a year ago called "Coming Apart," and it's really about what's happened to American culture in the last 30 or 40 years.

This is a great test of who we are as a people. Are we now so used to corruption, so used to dishonesty, so used to all the different things that go on, that none of it matters anymore?

This is -- this is Baltimore. You know, the last Republican city councilman in Baltimore was 1942. And yet, you know, local politicians will blame Republicans, even though they've been in charge for 74 years!

HANNITY: You're right.

GINGRICH: Look at the south side of Chicago.

HANNITY: If we go four more years of Obama, which Hillary represents, we'll get the government we deserve. And it's not going to be good.

We got to take a break. But go ahead, final thought.

GINGRICH: Hillary is Obama plus corruption.

HANNITY: Wow. That's a good line. I wish I'd thought of it. Can I steal that?


HANNITY: We'll have more with Newt Gingrich right after the break. Stay with us.

Also, coming up next tonight...


OBAMA: If -- if -- if -- if we fall for, you know, a bunch of okey-doke just because, you know, it's -- you know, it sounds funny...


HANNITY: Obama stammering, stuttering, trying to go after Donald Trump earlier today. He also went after talk radio today, couldn't get the words out. Newt Gingrich will weigh in on those remarks.

Also, polls are tight in California between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Doug Schoen says a loss in California could cost Hillary the nomination.

And later tonight...



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that the media staging a shot? Is that the media staging a shot? Is Telemundo staging a shot?



HANNITY: Telemundo, a cameraman caught staging a shot, choreographing it, basically, outside of a Donald Trump rally. The filmmakers -- they got it all on tape. They'll join us. And they also have tapes of Trump supporters having eggs thrown at them and more, straight ahead.


HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity." So President Obama -- he jumped into the 2016 race earlier today. He attacked talk radio. He also attacked Donald Trump, or tried to. Watch this.


OBAMA: If we turn against each other based on divisions of race or religion, if -- if -- if -- if we fall for, you know, a bunch of okey-doke just because, you know, it's -- you know, it sounds funny or the tweets are provocative, then we're not going to build on the progress that we've started.


HANNITY: And we continue with former speaker of the House -- and we continue with former speaker of the House, Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich.

He's, like, the most divisive guy. Remember the social Darwinist comment?  And their plan is for dirty air and dirty water, and I can go on and on.

All right, here's my big question, though. The last couple times I've had Donald Trump on, I have been asking very specifically how serious he is about his agenda. He gave his list of judges. He promises to rebuild the military, promises to balance the budget. He promises to fix the VA. He promises to go after radical Islamists. He promises to repeal "Obama care," be energy independent, all of the above, negotiate better trade deals and all these things.

How realistic, as you listen to that -- you and I have discussed nationalist, populist-slash conservative. I think every item I've mentioned is conservative to me. Do you think that agenda is doable after Obama? And do you think you can get those things done, and fix the economy?

GINGRICH: Sure. Why not?

HANNITY: All right.


GINGRICH: Look, this is what America's all about. Let me give you -- let me give you a side story. 1957, or 1958, the Green Bay Packers have the worst team in history of the franchise, worst team ever. Vince Lombardi comes in the next day -- February the next year. The very same worst team creates 15 all-pro and seven Hall of Fame players. Not personnel changes - - leadership.

Now, if Trump is prepared to recruit turnaround artists for every single cabinet office, if he's prepared to insert energetic, tough-minded people in all of the 3,000-plus presidential appointments in the federal government, if he's prepared to work so closely with the House and Senate that they end up doing what he wants despite themselves, you could by next -- look, that's what it's going to take.

Of course, look, this is going to take schmoozing and talking and deal making and everything he's famous for. But you could -- I say this having done it -- you could by the end of 2017 be in a dynamic, exciting, job creating, militarily powerful country that everybody on the planet recognizes is the leading nation in the world. That's what this is about.

And when you watch that pathetic performance, I can't believe you got that tape. I mean, that pathetic performance by Barack Obama tells you how much seven years of presidency cost him, because the guy who used to be Mr. articulate looks in that case like he is just totally out of touch with reality.

HANNITY: Has -- do you have any news on the vice president front? Your name keeps popping up.

GINGRICH: Well, I personally think that Governor Fallin of Oklahoma would be a tremendous choice.

HANNITY: Oh, come on.

GINGRICH: I also think that Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee would be great.


GINGRICH: I'm glad to talk about many vice presidential opportunity -- are you nuts? No, I'm not going to talk to you about this.


HANNITY: Why don't you say, Hannity, I'm not answering your stupid questions. Tell me.

GINGRICH: NO, your audience knows both of us well enough by now to know that you're going to toss up the softball, I'm going to hit it out of the park, and they're going to go home happy.


HANNITY: I'm just trying to get a little answer.

GINGRICH: You got a little answer.

HANNITY: Was it --

GINGRICH: Very, very little.

HANNITY: -- like a few million people, you know, years ago.

GINGRICH: Sean, it was a very, very little answer.

HANNITY: All right, Mr. Speaker, good to see you. Thank you.

GINGRICH: Good to be with you.

HANNITY: Coming up, brand new poll shows a debt heat in California between Hillary and Bernie Sanders. Doug Schoen says if Hillary loses in the Golden State, it could cost her the nomination. He joins us next.

Also later tonight --



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that the media staging a shot? Is that the media staging a shot? Is Telemundo staging a shot?



HANNITY: Wow, Telemundo, a cameraman caught red handed stages a shot outside of a Donald Trump rally. The filmmakers, they got all of it on tape. We'll show that to you. Plus we'll tell you how Telemundo is responding. That and more tonight straight ahead on HANNITY.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So the California primary is only six days away and Hillary Clinton's lead in the state is shrinking dramatically. Former Clinton pollster Doug Schoen wrote an article in the Wall Street Journal titled "Clinton might not be the nominee. A Sanders win in California would turbo charge the mounting Democratic unease about her viability." And a brand new poll NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll released today shows Clinton is leading Sanders by only two points in the Golden State. That is well within the margin of error.

Here with analysis, Fox News legal analyst Peter Johnson Jr., Fox News contributor Doug Schoen, "Washington Examiner" contributor Lisa Boothe.  That is a pretty profound prediction. I don't disagree with you.

DOUG SCHOEN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Yes. Look, here's the thing. Her lead is based in large measure on super delegates. I think she's got 543 to some 55 for Sanders.

HANNITY: Does Bernie now have 55? He's gone up quite a bit.

SCHOEN: He's gone up. But here's the basic point. If she loses California, which now is increasingly likely, she's behind Donald Trump in a number of polls. We've got the Justice Department likely to render a judgment that finds some culpability somewhere. Don't you think, Sean, that the Democratic Party will say, why do we need this, why do we need to risk a defeat with Secretary Clinton? That's what I was saying.

HANNITY: There are -- John Podesta put out this big lie propaganda piece about Hillary's e-mails. And it's the lies basically she's been telling.  For example, the inspector general report, the officials were not asked to approve a private e-mail server, something she's claiming. We know, for example, Clinton's staff shut down her server temporarily because of hacking attempts, another lie that she said. We know Colin Powell used personal e-mail, but not a home server. That was another lie. She is trying to say she's doing what everyone else was doing. And the secretary, the production was not complete and she didn't give an interview where everyone else did.

PETER JOHNSON JR., FOX NEWS LEGAL ANALYST: It was staggering. It was a blockbuster, and it was the most incredible set of events I've seen. You know, Hillary Clinton said we're going to cooperate. I want all my people to cooperate. Six of her aides didn't cooperate. They stonewalled.  Hillary Clinton didn't cooperation. She wasn't interviewed in the process.  The inspector general said even if she had asked for approval, which she said she had, that she received, she wouldn't have received it. It said that she violated and her staff violated the Federal Records Act. So the question becomes, can an indictment be far behind?

HANNITY: You got to imagine that at least a criminal referral is coming.  If that happens, before I get to Lisa, who's the person that replaces her?  Is going to be Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders?

SCHOEN: I think there will be chaos if that happens. It's a big if, Sean, because the president and Valerie Jarrett will want Joe Biden. But the Bernie Sanders supporters, many of whom are activist Democrats, they won't stand by and --

HANNITY: I can see Philly being a total, complete, utter, unmitigated disaster. Lisa, thoughts?

LISA BOOTHE, WASHINGTON EXAMINER: Well, if I'm Donald Trump, I'd much rather face Hillary Clinton than any of the other alternatives because after this, what is the case for Hillary Clinton's candidacy? Outside the fact she was supposed to be inevitable, this is a woman that has no campaign message, she has no reason why she is running. She's completely overrated. She was supposed to defeat -- she was supposed to be inevitable and defeat then-senator Barack Obama. She did not. Bernie Sanders was never supposed to present a challenge. This is someone who's been an independent for decades who is a 74-year-old self-avowed socialist. She cannot defeat him. She has yet to do that so far.

And then you have the State Department's I.G. report, which delivers a blow to any credibility that she has left with the e-mail server --

HANNITY: You say that. Look at Obama tonight, Lisa. You take away the teleprompter, he's not the great orator that people thought he was. But at least he had some ability to communicate. Her husband had some warmth.  She seems to have none of the political skills of either her husband or Obama as dishonest as he is. So now most Americans think she's dishonest.  Although 71 percent of Democrats said they would still want her to run even if she is, in fact, indicted. I can't understand that, Lisa.

BOOTH: And Sean, I think that's always been Hillary Clinton's big problem.  It's the likability factor. Remember in 2008, it was the ABC debate and she was asked if she's likable enough. I mean, this is something that's always presented a challenge to her. If you look at focus groups, that's a problem. People don't feel like they connect to Hillary Clinton. They don't feel like she cares about people like me, doesn't care about everyday Americans. And that's a big problem for Hillary Clinton. When you add all this other stuff on top of it, she's just a horrible candidate.

BAIER: Peter, let me go to the legal action. If there's a criminal referral and no indictment, isn't that just as bad for her?

JOHNSON: It's tantamount. It's not as bad, but it's pretty, pretty close.

HANNITY: And maybe even a resignation by Comey, the FBI director?

JOHNSON: If he walks away and says I don't like the way it went down. But it goes to Doug's point that there are political events that shape this election in a big time and perhaps rob her of the nomination that she thinks is sewn up.

HANNITY: Who do you think she --

JOHNSON: I think probably Biden would probably be the best candidate. But would he be acceptable to the hard left Democratic Party?

HANNITY: What Bernie supporter would support Biden? They would be furious.

JOHNSON: The problem you have now generally is Hillary Clinton is a hobbled, wounded, limping, ailing, tainted candidate.

HANNITY: Do you agree with those adjectives? I do.

SCHOEN: I wouldn't use those adjectives.

HANNITY: Which ones would you use that are kinder and gentler?

SCHOEN: On the ropes. I would say she faces --


HANNITY: Standing eight?

SCHOEN: Close to a standing eight count, yes.

HANNITY: Any fighting analogy I like now that I'm doing my martial arts.  Good to see you all.

BOOTHE: Thank you.

HANNITY: And coming up next tonight right here on "Hannity" --



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that the media staging a shot? Is that the media staging a shot? Is Telemundo staging a shot?



HANNITY: Telemundo, a cameraman caught on tape staging, choreographing a shot of the Donald Trump rally. The filmmaker who shot that will join us next. Plus, find out what Telemundo has to say about that and much more straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So last night we showed you video shot by RebelPundit.com filmmakers. They caught a cameraman wearing a Telemundo shirt staging a shot at a Trump protest. Watch this.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that the media staging a shot? Is that the media staging a shot? Is Telemundo staging a shot?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're staging a shot at a protest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you want me to do, man?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're staging the --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not part of this protest. I'm not part of this protest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then why are you directing them?



HANNITY: "Hannity" producers, we reached out to Telemundo for a statement on this shocking video you just saw. They told us in part, quote, "The cameraman in question is a temporary worker hired to help cover the San Diego-Tijuana area. They also told us Telemundo news did not nor would it ask any full time or temporary worker to stage events. The network also told that video in question never aired.

Here with reaction, filmmakers from Rebelpundit.com, Andrew Marcus and Jeremy Segal. Now, Andrew, you were there. And it's pretty clear. Does it matter if somebody is part time, full time? They were staging and choreographing a phony shot, right?

ANDREW MARCUS, REBELPUNDIT.COM FILMMAKER: Oh, they absolutely were. It's even worse than that. It isn't just that they were just staging news.  They were staging a lie. The reason we were filming there is because were being chased down the street having just left the Trump event. So what you have here is Telemundo not showing that this crowd was behaving like a menacing mob and stopping them to take a beauty shot. It was the opposite of the truth of what was happening there.

HANNITY: In other words, Jeremy, they're leaving and they say stop. Stop right there, sit down, actually telling them where to stand, where to sit, how to hold the flag. You know, between everything, with the Katie Couric incident, eight dead air seconds which you don't want dead air on TV or radio, that ad, and the New York Times being debunked, all of these issues involving Donald Trump when they don't cover similar issues with Hillary Clinton, you know, I declared journalism dead in 08. It's dead, buried, and gone and a monument is erected. It's over. Tell us what else you saw.

JEREMY SEGAL, REBELPUNDIT.COM FILMMAKER: Sean, this is something that's being going on for years with these protests. This is nothing new. The protest organizers come out. They actually play the role of news producers for a lot of these cameramen that are out there. Even the street reporters, they are not doing their jobs, asking the right questions. Who is organizing these mobs of violence?

HANNITY: Do you know who they were?

SEGAL: That is what we're out there looking for, all of this. And the role the media plays as well, they're providing shade and cover for Marxist revolutionaries that are in the street staging a protest. These are the foot soldiers who are taking marching orders from radicals. And the media is not doing their job getting down to who is doing this.

HANNITY: Andrew, it's like we figured out who the people were protesting, supposedly veterans were sent by the Hillary Clinton campaign in front of Trump Tower, another example.

What did you see there? These protestors were throwing eggs. Tell us what else you saw.

MARCUS: They were spitting on people. It's the same thing at every one of these rallies, Sean. What's happened is when a conservative comes out at an event, be it a Trump rally or something similar, they're met with an angry mob. And this mob harasses them. They chase them. They attack them. And the mob feels empowered to do it because of things like what Telemundo did. They received cover from the media. The media don't reveal the truth --

HANNITY: This is a children and women coming out of the event, right?

MARCUS: That is right. They throw the eggs. And I'm alone as a reporter, I guess. I walked right up to them and say, why are you throwing eggs?  And then you receive threats. They are shocked that anybody is confronting them at all because they're just not used to anybody doing follow up.

SEGAL: Exactly. They turn it right on us. They grab our cameras.

HANNITY: It becomes dangerous for you to report the truth. But good work, both of you. Thank you both.

MARCUS: Thanks, Sean.

SEGAL: Thanks, Sean.

HANNITY: And coming up, we have more "Hannity" right after this break. Stay with us.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Unfortunately that is all the time we have left this evening. I know it's sad. It's heartbreaking. It's hard to accept. But let not your heart be troubled. We'll be back tomorrow night. Don't forget, we hope you'll set your DVR so you never miss an episode. We always take attendance. It really, deeply hurts our feelings if you don't watch. I mean, I tear up at night.

Anyway, thank you for joining us as always. We'll see you back here tomorrow night.

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