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Sen. Fischer: GOP will get more comfortable with Trump; Did Clinton Foundation aid friend's company?

This is a rush transcript from "Sunday Morning Futures," May 15, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MARIA BARTIROMO, HOST: Good morning, everybody. Happy Sunday. I'm Maria Bartiromo. And this is "Sunday Morning Futures."

Common ground, can Donald Trump and House Paul Ryan find any? This after a group of senior GOP leaders met with the presumptive GOP leader on Capitol Hill last week. What will the impact be on the election? We will talk with one of those senators in attendance coming up on the program.

Plus, new questions this morning surrounding the Clinton Foundation, after reports suggests its funneled money to friends of the Clintons. Former Attorney General Michael Mukasey is with me, weighing in.

And a violent week in Baghdad to tell you about. This as ISIS is claiming responsibility for several attacks that claimed the lives of more than 100 people. What all of this means for the U.S. strategy in fighting ISIS.

We're looking ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures."

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BARTIROMO: All that ahead.

But, first, let's get to the search for common ground between Donald Trump and the Republican Party. We saw the presumptive GOP nominee going to Washington this week for a series of critical meetings with heavy hitters, including House Speaker Paul Ryan. And while he's holding back on endorsing Mr. Trump right now, Ryan says they are moving in that direction.

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REP. PAUL RYAN, R-WIS., SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: It is no secret Donald Trump and I have had some disagreements. It's no secret that we've from time to time clashed on an issue or two. That happens with people. That happens with Republicans.

The question is, can we put together a process that really actually helps get our party unified so that we're at full strength in the fall? And based upon the meetings we had on Thursday, I'm encouraged.

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BARTIROMO: Joining me now, someone who has endorsed Donald Trump, Nebraska Senator Deb Fischer. She also attended Mr. Trump's Capitol Hill meeting on Thursday.

Senator, good see you. Thanks so much for joining us.

SEN. DEB FISCHER, R-NEB., MEMBER, ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE: Thank you.  It's great to be here.

BARTIROMO: Can you take us behind the closed doors bas week into that meeting. What are the sticking points and the main issues that the two so far have not been able to come together on?

FISCHER: Well, we had a great conversation with Mr. Trump. He listened to us. We talked about a variety of issues. And he gave us his views on that.

We also encouraged him to be telling the public his views on those issues and the people that he listens to, the advice he's getting. And I think when he starts doing that a little more, you're going to see people a little more comfortable and willing to understand that Mr. Trump is out there. He's working hard. He obviously has touched a chord across this country and he'll be discussing the issues.

BARTIROMO: Let me ask you about a couple of those issues. The most important from an economic standpoint is trade. Trade has been one of the issues top of mind for Donald Trump, as has immigration, which, of course, is one of the fundamental issues for any economy. Where we're -- where was the conversation on trade in terms of Donald Trump's stance that the U.S. is always at a disadvantage in some of these trade deals and Paul Ryan, of course, would like to see more free trade.

FISCHER: Well, exactly. The people in the room with me, we are supporters of trade, but we also want to make sure that we have fair trade, that we have free trade. And Mr. Trump focuses on making that good deal. He has said that publicly.

And again, I know that he will be coming out and reinforcing that, that the United States needs to be the beneficiary in a large way of any trade agreement. That's what people demand. They understand the importance of exports.

I'm in agriculture. I'm a cattle rancher. I certainly understand the importance of exports to my business and my state. But I also want to make sure we have fair trade and that we're able to get good deals that help the producers, that help the workers of this country, too.

BARTIROMO: So, the question is, will the two be able to come to an agreement on that? Paul Ryan -- I understand where you're coming from.  But what about where Paul Ryan is coming from?

FISCHER: Well, you'd have to ask Paul Ryan. But I think the more we have these conversations with Mr. Trump, the better understanding we're going to have. You know, you have to remember, he has not gone through a campaign before. He's getting hit with a lot of new issues. Everyone has a different issue.

I can tell you, when I travel Nebraska, I hear different issues in every community. And I think Mr. Trump is experiencing that. But I do know that he listens well. He listened very well at this meeting that we had. And I know that he will take advice when people offer advice to him.

BARTIROMO: Yes, I think you make great points. One point I've been making pretty often is that this is not about one personality. This is not about Paul Ryan versus Donald Trump. This is about the principles of the Republican Party. So, let me ask you about another principle, and that is minimum wage. Donald Trump has talked about minimum wage going up and allowing the states to deal with it.

Was there common ground on minimum wage and on taxes in that room?

FISCHER: Well, I'm not going to talk about specifics, but I know all of us agree that taxes are too high. We're looking for ways that we can help working Americans who are concerned about their families trying to have economic security for their families. They want to keep the money they earn.

When we look at minimum wage, once again, Nebraska's a great example of working at the state level to address that. Every state is different.  There's so much diversity across this country. I don't support a federal minimum wage. I think it has to be handled at the state level. We did that here in Nebraska with, I guess, a more proposal that is now law that fits our state. That's where it needs to take place.

BARTIROMO: Yes, and that's actually the way that Donald Trump spoke about his stance on it as well so that he doesn't think --

FISCHER: Well, there you go.

BARTIROMO: -- survive on $7.

FISCHER: That's the common sense.

BARTIROMO: Or $7.25 but that the state should deal with it.

OK. So, the speaker said that these aides and teams are meeting next week.  What do you expect to come out of these upcoming meetings where we will see Trump's aides meet with the speaker's teams as well to go through specifics on these policies?

FISCHER: Well, I think it really is just becoming more comfortable with each other. I hadn't met Donald Trump before. I was able to meet him last Thursday. I was able to have a long conversation with him and develop an understanding.

As I said, he listened. And I smile when I say that because I would tell you most people would say, oh, there's no way that he listens. No, folks, he listens. And he is reaching out.

And that's what's important here, that we continue the dialogue. People will become more comfortable and they will understand that he will be our party's nominee and if we are going to be beating that Clinton machine, we need to come together. We need to have unity, because we know what we're going to get with Hillary Clinton.

BARTIROMO: Yes.

FISCHER: It will be four more years of bad policies that have hurt families in this country. And we cannot survive another four years of that.

BARTIROMO: Yes, speaking about taxes, actually, Hillary Clinton has talked about raising $1.1 trillion in taxes.

Let's go back to the meeting for a moment. Can you talk to us about where the common ground was?

FISCHER: I think there's common ground in understanding that we can't have Hillary Clinton as president. We can't survive that. As you said, the policies she's espousing are policies that are going to continue to hurt American families.

We look now at the income inequality. We hear that a lot from Democrats on the other side, but I would propose to you that this income inequality has taken place and grown under the Obama administration because of the policies that are in effect.

Families are getting that. They understand that. They know they're hurting. They want to be able to provide for their families.

And under the ObamaCare -- the Obama administration with ObamaCare, with the continuation we're going to see under Hillary Clinton, that's going to continue. So, I'm excited to be able to have Mr. Trump come forward and talk more about the policies that he has that are going to help families in this country. And more importantly, he's going to keep our families safe in their communities and also keep this country safe.

BARTIROMO: Yes, it's interesting to look at the other side, when you've got -- well, you've got another primary this Tuesday for the Dems in Kentucky. And Bernie Sanders seems to have locked up a number of states and continues to push Hillary Clinton even further into the left.

FISCHER: You know, there's a lot of focus on the Republican side. When I talk to people, I always say, this is an interesting election. Yes, on the Republican side but look at the Democrats.

We have Bernie Sanders who has won I don't know how many of the last primary states. He is making a big push. He is so far left but he's also struck a chord in that party. Hillary Clinton is not going to move to the middle in the general election if she is their nominee.

Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton. She's not a moderate. She's not moving to the middle. She has moved really far left and she is reflective of the far left and progressive movement in her party.

And so, when I hear the focus on the Republican side, I always like to say, let's look at the Democrat side. Bernie Sanders is making a run. He has a tremendous following. His supporters are active and they are interested and they are vocal.

BARTIROMO: Yes.

FISCHER: And if he continues on to the Democrat convention, you're going to see a pretty spicy convention on the Democrat side.

BARTIROMO: Yes, which is what Paul Ryan is trying to communicate to show a real difference between the Democratic side and the Republican side, led obviously by Donald Trump as the presumptive candidate.

FISCHER: Yes.

BARTIROMO: Good to see you, Senator. Thanks for joining us this morning.  We'll keep watching.

FISCHER: Thank you.

BARTIROMO: Senator Deb Fischer there.

So, what is the Trump campaign's take on the GOP unity? Is there a chance?  We will talk to that campaign next.

Then, former Attorney General Mike Mukasey on the latest report about the Clinton Foundation accused of funneling money to friends. Follow us on Twitter @mariabartiroma, @sundayfutures. Let us know what you would like to hear coming up on the program. Stay with us.

We're also speaking with Steve Moore coming up about Trump's tax plan.

We're looking ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures" today.

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BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

Donald Trump extending an olive branch to the establishment Republicans with his visit to Capitol Hill. Trump meeting with House Speaker Paul Ryan and other GOP leaders in an attempt to unite his fractured party. So, can those fences be mended in time to help the presumptive Republican nominee mount a competitive run against Hillary Clinton, his likely opponent in November?

Joining me right now is Sarah Huckabee-Sanders, a senior adviser to the Trump campaign.

Good to see you. Thanks so much for joining us.

SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS, TRUMP CAMPAIGN: Thank you. Good morning, Maria.

BARTIROMO: So, Sarah, we just heard Senator Deb Fischer with her take on the meeting. What is the Trump campaign's take on the meeting?

SANDERS: You know, it was very positive. I agree with Senator Fischer we've had a lot of progress in opening up the lines of communication, rebuilding some of that relationship. I think for the most part, as she said, she just had a chance to sit down and meet with Donald Trump.

He hasn't been part of the political process for the last 30 years like some of the other candidates on the other side of the race, so he hasn't developed these long-standing relationships. He's having a chance to do that and it went extremely well. And we're moving in the absolutely in the right direction.

I think one of the big things to remember and one of the big things to look at, his polls show already that 90 percent of Republicans are supporting Donald Trump. He's locked up the nomination. He's cleared a field of 17 candidates, and Hillary Clinton who only started with four candidates is still battling it out. He's doing a much, much better job uniting Republicans than Hillary Clinton is uniting Democrats.

BARTIROMO: Having said that, what does he need to do to continue the olive branch? What does he need to do to come forward and meet in the middle on some of these issues? Where are the -- where are the sticking points that you think Donald will at this point try to zero in on and look at and perhaps make changes?

SANDERS: I think he needs to continue exactly what he has been doing, and that's sitting down with a lot of these leaders and focusing on what they do agree on because there are a lot of things that they're already on the same page on, building from there. I don't think there's nobody in the Republican leadership or the Trump campaign that doesn't want to defeat ISIS, cut taxes for the middle class, repeal Obamacare.

And so, I think we focus on some of those big, big issues that not only all of leadership, but also Republican voters all agree. Let's focus on that.  Let's build from there, and keep moving forward.

BARTIROMO: Yes, I think this is a really good point. And, of course, we know some of the issues that have been bandied back and forth like immigration. Trump has been very adamant about his wall on the border with Mexico. He's been adamant about trade. And that the U.S. is always at a disadvantage.

What would you like to see from the GOP in terms of their stance on trade?

SANDERS: I think the biggest thing, and, again, I think the focus is putting Americans first. I don't think there's anybody in the Republican leadership that doesn't want to see that happen. That's Donald Trump's ultimate goal, is that we have not just free trade but fair trade and that's putting American interest first. He's absolutely committed to that.  I think they have to find that common interest and find ways to make that happen.

BARTIROMO: Yes.

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SANDERS: You have a bigger guiding principle.

BARTIROMO: I'm sorry?

SANDERS: You focus on that big, guiding principle, putting American interests first and making not just free trade, but fair trade.

BARTIROMO: What was the commentary around the minimum wage? Because this is where people were questioning whether or not Donald Trump is going back and forth on what he actually believes in. He said -- he told me in an interview last week on the Fox Business Network "Mornings With Maria" that basically, you know, you can't survive on $7.25 and that he does think minimum wage should go up but it should be about the states, because each state has a different economic mentality, which makes a lot of sense.

SANDERS: Right. I don't think that it's a one size fits all. And I think he's right this needs to be up to the states.

I think the biggest thing we need to look at right now is that the middle class is absolutely being killed in America. It's now becoming the minority instead of the majority. Donald Trump is the only candidate talking about that, focused on empowering the middle class, creating jobs and growing our economy.

And I think that's one of the biggest contrasts against Hillary Clinton.  She's all about the rich getting richer. And we've seen that because she's been a part of this problem and a part of government for the last 30 years.

Nothing has changed, and that's one of the reasons Donald Trump is doing so well. It's the year of the outsider. People are looking for somebody to come in, shake things up, and break up that Washington to Wall Street access to power and nobody can do that other than Donald Trump.

BARTIROMO: Yes, he certainly has done that. And I guess he had some common ground there with Paul Ryan given the House speaker's plans on his poverty initiative. So, we'll be watching that.

Sarah, good to see you. Thanks so much for joining us this morning.

SANDERS: You bet. Thank you, Maria.

BARTIROMO: We'll see you soon.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders there.

New allegations, meanwhile, that the Clinton Foundation pledged money to friends of the Clinton. So, will these reports damage Hillary's campaign for president?

I'll talk with former Attorney General Michael Mukasey next as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures."

We're back in a moment.

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BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

Well, the focus shifts for the general election now. Hillary Clinton's campaign could now be dealing with yet another piece of baggage, this one involving the Clinton Foundation.

The Wall Street Journal on Friday reporting in this article entitled, "Clinton Charity Aided Clinton Friends," "A $2 million commitment arranged by the nonprofit Clinton Global Initiative in 2010 went to a for-profit company part-owned by friends of the Clintons."

Joining me right now is Judge Michael Mukasey, a former U.S. attorney general.

And, Judge, it is always a pleasure to speak with you. Thanks so much for joining us.

MICHAEL MUKASEY, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: Good to be here.

BARTIROMO: This -- that article in "The Journal", right below the fold on Friday seemed to me more of this expectation or sentiment around the Clinton Foundation and whether or not there was wrongdoing going on.

MUKASEY: Well, it appears there was at a minimum crony capitalism writ large, which is not supposed to be the business they're in. I mean, they arrange grants from corporations and others and --

BARTIROMO: And state governments.

MUKASEY: Yes. To enterprises that promote the environment, so on and so forth, and fight disease from whatnot. They sort of -- they act sort of as brokers.

BARTIROMO: Right.

MUKASEY: Here it turns out they were, you say, funneling, they were literally holding the funnel while other people poured the money.

BARTIROMO: They sent $2 million, a $2 million commitment and that was on the agenda of the Clinton Global Initiative to this company, which is a for-profit company, Energy Pioneer Solutions, which was actually 23 percent owned by Clinton's friend who lives in Chappaqua.

MUKASEY: Right. And part-owned as well by the treasurer of the Democratic National Committee.

BARTIROMO: Right.

MUKASEY: Let's not forget that.

But, yes, just up the road is this woman who visits the Clinton household every so often when Mr. Clinton isn't there.

BARTIROMO: I mean, more than that, when you look at some of the dealings while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state -- for example, she had dealings with, for example, the country of Nigeria. And at that time, Bill Clinton, her husband, was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the country of Nigeria to give a speech and -- or to also -- Nigeria donated money to the Clinton Foundation.

So, that connection, you've got this movie, the Peter Schweizer movie debuting this weekend in the Cannes Film Festival called "Clinton Cash".  He's really connecting the dots here.

MUKASEY: Based on a book he wrote where he lays out this out. The fact is, if the money was paid to him as opposed to being paid to the foundation, that is a -- that's constitutional crime because if it's given to him, she shares in it. And it is a violation of the Constitution for a public official to take money from a foreign government.

BARTIROMO: So, what are you expecting the results of this investigation around the Clinton Foundation to yield? I mean, is this -- do you think this impacts her campaign?

MUKASEY: I would think if the results of the investigation become known, it could very strongly impact your campaign. The only way they're going to become known is if charges are brought in connection with the foundation.  That's wholly apart from the e-mails.

BARTIROMO: Yes, I thought it was really, I don't know, comical that "The Washington Post" said they're going to put 20 reporters on Trump. And I don't see 20 reporters on the Clinton Foundation. I just --

MUKASEY: No. And obviously --

BARTIROMO: Wow.

MUKASEY: -- it shows you what their priorities are.

BARTIROMO: Yes.

All right. Let's move on to the ObamaCare lawsuit. Obviously, Bernie Sanders pushing back. Federal judge has struck down the ObamaCare payments and Bernie Sanders wants this reversed.

MUKASEY: Well, it's going to go up to the Court of Appeals. It may go up to the Supreme Court. The question really -- one main question will be whether the House of Representatives, which brought the lawsuit, has standing to bring it.

The House is saying the government is spending money that they didn't authorize. And apparently, they did not authorize it. They authorized part of the -- part of the disbursement. They didn't authorize the rest.

And the Constitution says no money can be spent from the treasury unless Congress authorizes it. The administration says, no, no, we read the law as authorizing it and this is just a routine lawsuit over an interpretation of a statute.

Well, it's -- the only thing that involves the interpretation of a statute is the defense that the administration has put up, but the underlying issue is a constitutional issue.

BARTIROMO: Yes. I mean, the law provides for tax credits, but it doesn't authorize an appropriation for cutting deductibles and co-payments.

MUKASEY: Correct. It doesn't authorize an appropriation for money to the insurance companies to pay the difference between the cuts they're -- to pay out the cuts they're required to make in the premiums and in the deductibles. If they're not getting that money, obviously, they have to raise the premiums, raise the deductibles, which is going to mean that there's going to be more money spent on tax cuts.

BARTIROMO: How do you think this plays out and what's the timing on it?  Because Senator Sanders continues to say, oh, this is going to be reversed.

MUKASEY: Well, he can continue to say that that until a majority panel on the D.C. Circuit says it doesn't get reversed, and then it may very well go up to the Supreme Court. Interestingly, it depends on what the D.C. Circuit does. If it goes up to the Supreme Court before that vacancy gets filled, then conceivably if there's a 4-4 split, the D.C. Circuit decision could wind up being the final decision because if there's a split in a Supreme Court 4-4, that automatically affirms the decision below, although it affirms it only in that case. It's got no value as precedence.

BARTIROMO: What are you expecting in terms of next week with the Supreme Court looking at a number of issues, whether it's the Puerto Rico bailout or abortion and, of course, as well as ObamaCare?

MUKASEY: Well, I think that obviously it depends on how the court splits, if it splits. There's nothing to stop a decision being made 5-3 or 6-2.  The only problem arises if the split is even 4-4. That means that whatever decision was in place beforehand stays, but it doesn't have any impact on other cases. It has an impact only on that case.

BARTIROMO: Right. OK. We will leave it there. Judge, good to see you.

MUKASEY: Good to see you.

BARTIROMO: Thank you so much.

BARTIROMO: That's Michael Mukasey joining us there.

Up next, ISIS strikes again in a deadly attack near Baghdad. What will it take to rein this terrorist group? We will talk with General Jack Keane next as we look ahead this morning on "SUNDAY MORNING FUTURES." Back in a moment.

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BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

More bloodshed to report in Iraq as ISIS terrorists have launched a deadly attack on a natural gas plant near Baghdad, killing 12 people. Today's violence just the latest in a series of attacks in and around the Iraqi capital over the last few days. This has left more than 100 people dead.  So, where are we in the campaign to defeat ISIS?

General Jack Keane back with us, retired four-star general, chairman of the Institute for the Study of War, the former vice chief of staff of the Army and a Fox News military analyst.

Sir, good to see you. Thank you so much for joining us.

GEN. JACK KEANE, CHAIRMAN, INSTITUTE FOR THE STUDY OF WAR: Great to be here, Maria.

BARTIROMO: How would you add to that question? Give us a status check.  Where are we in the campaign to fight ISIS and take them down?

KEANE: Well, first of all, there's been a significant setback for ISIS in a number of areas. They lost territory somewhere between 30 percent and 40 percent. Their finances have been hit let hard, cash warehouses and also oil. Estimates, and we can only speculate, probably 40 percent to 50 percent reduction. Recruiting pipeline is down from 1,000 to 2,000 a month, to something around 200 per month. And I think their brand for the first time has started to be tarnished.

However, the reality is this, Maria, ISIS is still defending its safe havens successfully in Syria. It is still defending Mosul successfully.  Witness the counteroffensive they conducted last week, which tragically resulted in the death of our Navy SEAL. They don't want the Iraqi army and Kurds to surround Mosul and conduct siege so they're attacking out from there.

What is taking place in Baghdad is very significant. It's not just about ISIS trying to distract the world from the setbacks they've had. This is a strategic thought and they are very strategic thinkers.

What is happening, political crisis in Baghdad. Prime Minister Abadi's government has -- witness the protests that took place three weeks ago.

What the terrorist attacks are about and why the increase in frequency is to undermine this government and possibly bring it to the point of collapse, which ISIS has its roots in al Qaeda, which nearly achieved that back in 2006.

So, that's the strategy. If you can weaken the government where it's so frail it has to focus in on itself, it's very difficult for an army to perform for that government in the field. And that's what the issue is.

BARTIROMO: Yes. And we should point out that ISIS is now trying to recruit children. They've got a new app designed to attract young people to try to get them to join their fight.

KEANE: Yes. This is because the recruiting pipeline has finally taken a toll on ISIS. So, those areas where ISIS is occupying, they are forcing people of military age, sadly, also children, to get in the fight. They're no longer trying to motivate them. They are just coercing them to do it.

This backfires on ISIS eventually because they did much of the same thing when they were al Qaeda in Iraq in Anbar province. They so intimidate and terrorize the population, they alienate themselves so much for it, it's anything but the religious and ideological utopia that they're trying to achieve.

BARTIROMO: What would you like to see that we have not seen done yet in terms of the U.S.'s policy and response to ISIS?

KEANE: Well, let me just say first, this administration will not do that.  They've had ample opportunity to do it.

And the reality is, they may make more gradual, incremental changes. They made 10 troop changes since summer of 2014. They may make one or two more of those.

But what needs to be done is the safe haven in Syria has to be taken away.  It is the center of gravity of ISIS. That has to be taken away. You'll have to use a ground force to do it.

I'm convinced the next administration would be able to get the Arabs in the neighborhood who offered this once before early on in 2014 to put together a ground force. Yes, with U.S. participation, modest participation, likely with U.S. leadership to take that safe haven away from the 20,000-odd fighters at that location.

And once and for all, give the Iraqi army all the support that it needs.  Not the gradual, incremental support. Give them all of the artillery, the Apache aircraft, the other aircraft that can support them, the advisers, which would probably go well beyond 10,000 to make that force very effective to increase the training, et cetera. These are things we talked about two years ago. And they really haven't happened.

I do believe that General Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, has done as well as could be expected, given the constraints that have imposed on him, to get as of much out of this administration as possible. But that is why this war is going on. That's why it will continue well into next year, Maria, because of that policy.

BARTIROMO: Wow. General, good to talk with you. Thanks so much for your insights this morning. We so appreciate it.

KEANE: Good talking to you, Maria.

BARTIROMO: General Jack Keane, as always, we appreciate your time, sir.

And now, let's get a look at what's coming up at the top of the hour, "MediaBuzz" Howie Kurtz on deck -- Howie.

HOWARD KURTZ, HOST, "MEDIABUZZ": Good morning, Maria.

We'll look at the wave of anti-Trump pieces in the press lately, like this New York Times investigation today about many of the past women in his life, which he's called the lame hippies.

But my special guest is Megyn Kelly. We'll talk about her Trump truce, for upcoming Fox interview with the billionaire. And also the impact on her life and career of the attacks that Trump has sent her way. And also the price of fame as she's gotten better known.

In-depth conversation with Megyn -- coming up.

BARTIROMO: That is going to be a must see, Howie. Real quick, Howie, do you think "The Washington Post" has 20 reporters on the Clinton Foundation right now?

KURTZ: No. But I did talk to Bob Woodward who says "The Washington Post" is going to be devoting equal scrutiny to Hillary Clinton, although not doing a book on Hillary Clinton like the paper is doing on the Donald.

BARTIROMO: All right. We will be watching. Howie, we'll see you in about 20 minutes.

Up next, still a chance for a third party in our election. We've got our panel weighing in there. And Steve Moore on Donald Trump's taxes.

Plus, Ron Howard on new technology affecting Hollywood as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures." Back in a moment.

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BARTIROMO: Our panel is coming up. In a few weeks, the summer movie season gets under way. One well-known director has a lot to look forward to. Ron Howard, I caught up with him this week -- the former actor and director from "The Andy Griffith Show" and "Happy Days." I spoke with him on "Mornings with Maria" on the Fox Business Network.

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BARTIROMO: You've been so incredibly ambitious. I feel like we have grown up with you, Opie and Andy Griffith, and, obviously, Richie Cunningham in "Happy Days" and now this, but not to mention all the incredible films.

How has technology changed this business? Talk to us about streaming and all of these new entrants -- Netflix and Amazon doing original content.  What does it mean for you?

RON HOWARD, DIRECTOR: First, what it means is more unique and specific kinds of TV shows and movies speak directly to viewers who truly love that tone, that style, that look, that feel, whatever that show is. And it enables artists to be far more specific and personal in a lot of ways themselves with speaking to that audience.

And the system is finding a way to monetize that. The system is finding a way to make that commercially viable, which means you no longer have to try to speak to the whole world all at once. When you can with a certain kind of movie or television show, that's fantastic. Of course, we have "Empire" and we're bringing "24" back, and we have "Da Vinci Code" and Dan Brown movies in which we're doing "Inferno," which is the next -- those speak to a lot of people.

But it's also fun to do an "Arrested Development" which is effective because it targets a specific audience. It worked on TV OK, it was well- loved. You can catch on Netflix, knew that it spoke to their audience in a particular way, brought it back. It was fantastic creative thing for us, you know? And we hope to do more.

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BARTIROMO: Big slate of movies coming out in the fall. My thanks to Ron Howard there.

Let's get right to our panel.

A group of Republicans -- a group of Republicans reportedly hoping to stop Donald Trump with a third-party candidate. Could this really happen, really?

Let's bring in our panel, Ed Rollins is former principal White House advisor to President Reagan and he is a Fox News political analyst. Judith Miller is a Pulitzer Prize winning author and journalist, an adjunct fellow at Manhattan Institute for Policy Research and Fox News contributor.  Steven Moore is a distinguished visiting fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a Fox News contributor.

Ed Rollins, really?

ED ROLLINS, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: No. It's very difficult to put a third party together. Certainly we're out of time. I think the two parties have their candidates. Donald Trump is getting stronger by the day. You see that in polls, you see that in the money people started to come forward.

You obviously had a pretty good dialogue with Paul Ryan this week. I think the vast majority of members outside of the first congressional district of Wisconsin are going to be supportive of him. Paul Ryan obviously has his agenda. This is a little bit different than -- but I would that Trump's agenda is more popular than cutting Medicare, cutting Social Security, basically having a full scale immigration policy.

BARTIROMO: But, Ed, I mean, is it -- there are stories about a third party. How damaging is this to the Republican Party, or do people not pay attention?

ROLLINS: I don't think anybody -- I remind people there are 330 million people in America and 250 million of them live outside of New York and California. And they don't read The New York Times, they don't read The L.A. Times, they basically don't think the world revolves around them. And there's lot of people out in this country, Donald Trump 16 of the best candidates I've seen in a long, long time.

If there was a third-party candidate, one of those would certainly try to do it, and they don't see it. There's no money or resources to do it.  It's very difficult process.

STEPHEN MOORE, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: A lot of this was driven by the perception that Trump couldn't beat Hillary. I think these polls Ed was talking about now have given real -- that this could be a very competitive race. And if anything, Trump looks like he might be a slight favorite now against Hillary. I think that would quell a lot of this third-party --

JUDITH MILLER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, one poll, the Quinnipiac poll, does not an election make. You, Ed, more than anyone, know how these polls were changed.

I mean, I think you haven't changed the demography of the United States.  The majority of this country are still women. A majority of women do not like Donald Trump. He's still got a Hispanic problem.

He can -- he's switching positions so fast it's hard even to keep up with him. I think the Democrats are going to have a field day with --

ROLLINS: We'll see. We'll see. First of all, the three states you quote in the Quinnipiac poll, I've also said, national poll doesn't matter --

MOORE: State by state.

ROLLINS: State by state. We win those three states, plus what Romney, who's not a particularly strong candidate one last night, we have 276, Pennsylvania, Ohio --

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MOORE: The big changing demographic here, Judy, is white, middle class, blue collar Democrats. It looks like huge -- millions of them are going to cross over and vote for Trump.

Now, you're right. I mean, Trump does have a big, big problem with women, no question. But Hillary has a problem keeping her base together.

BARTIROMO: She has a problem with women, too, I think, Hillary.

MILLER: She does. But, you know, if the choice is someone who calls us pigs, dogs, people with ugly faces, and a woman who --

BARTIROMO: When did he say that last? When did he use that kind of language last?

MILLER: Oh, you know, before the real campaigning started. Before he beat the 16 other people.

BARTIROMO: OK.

MILLER: But it doesn't matter. It's on tape. It's going to be played again and again and again. I think it's very effective.

BARTIROMO: I got to get to the tax because, Steve Moore, you have been advising Donald Trump, you and Larry Kudlow, about his tax plan. Has it become clearer to you? What are the most important facets of this plan?

MOORE: Yes. I mean, Trump has a good tax plan. I mean, Ed will love this. This is the biggest tax cut since Ronald Reagan ran in 1980. It cuts the taxes for everyone. If you pay taxes, you're going to pay less under the Trump plan. It cuts the highest income tax rate, especially paid by small businesses, 25 percent.

But one of the things I like the most, and I think you'll like this, Maria, it cuts corporate tax from 35 percent down to 15 percent.

BARTIROMO: That's huge.

MOORE: Yes. Because we now see American companies day after day leaving the United States, whether it's Burger King, or Medtronic or Johnson Control, and what Mr. Trump is saying, you cut that rate, you bring those companies and jobs back.

You know what? I think he's exactly right about that. We could become a magnet for jobs with that 15 percent corporate rate.

BARTIROMO: There are trillions and trillions of dollars overseas. Would a plan like this, Ed, you know, encourage people to bring that money back?

ROLLINS: Absolutely. The biggest complaint companies say to me and others, the deal with them is that the tax rate is so high here. It's the highest in the world -- small business, particularly, that we can't create the new economy. If you get that down to 15 percent, you can create a new economy.

You can basically plan your process here that five years, ten years from now, you know what the rate is you basically build that into your planning.  But the fact that it's 35 percent, the highest in the world today, is ridiculous.

BARTIROMO: One reason we keep bumping along the bottom in the economy and not going anywhere. How do you pay for it? Real quick. How do you pay for it?

This is the question I know you were thinking about.

MILLER: Exactly. That's what I was going to ask.

MOORE: That's a good question. What Larry Kudlow and I have been advising the Trump campaign is, look, you can do this plan, you can get those rates down, you can pay -- you can cut the costs from right now estimated $10 trillion over 10 years to less than half of that by just tweaking the system and, by the way, one of the things --

BARTIROMO: Tweaking? What does mean tweaking?

MOORE: Pardon me?

BARTIROMO: What does that mean, tweaking?

MOORE: OK. Well, I'll give you an example. So, right now, most of the decisions and loopholes in the tax code, those are benefitting the top 2 or 3 percent in income. So, why not do what Ronald Reagan did back in 1986?  I wonder if you like this idea, you know, get rid of those loopholes and all those deductions for high-income people. Not middle class people. And bring the rate down. I mean, I think that would be pro-growth.

BARTIROMO: That will expand growth.

MOORE: Yes. And it will pay for the cuts.

ROLLINS: Cuts we want.

Basically to create more growth in this economy which, as you know, is flat as can be, create more jobs, obviously make more people paying into it, we need more revenue. The way we will get more revenue is getting people back to work.

BARTIROMO: Actually. I think that President Obama has not overseen one year of three percent growth in the last eight years.

MILLER: This is true. But look at where he started from. He started from the worst financial crisis that we have had since the Great Depression.

BARTIROMO: But the question becomes, after ten years, what have you done about it?

MOORE: Yes, I give you an amazing statistic. If we can increase the growth rate by just 1 percentage point, that raises $3 trillion of additional revenue over a decade. So, the way to bring this deficit down is growth.

BARTIROMO: All right. Up next, the Democrats, can Bernie Sanders make a big move with wins in Kentucky and Oregon? We will take a look ahead of primaries on Tuesday as we look ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures."

Back in a moment.

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SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, I-VT., DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Very few people would have believed that this coming Tuesday, we're going to win a great victory right here.

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And by the way, I think we're going to win in Oregon as well.

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BARTIROMO: Bernie Sanders there hoping for a big win in Kentucky and Oregon on Tuesday night. That would give him momentum in the campaign against front runner Hillary Clinton.

We're back with our panel.

Judy, what do you think about that? He can't win the nomination, right?

MILLER: He can't, but he can certainly demand and insist that his platform be the platform that she has to carry into a general election. He can continue pushing her further to the left, which is so damaging to her, and he can continue having her spend money in races that she doesn't need to spend money.

BARTIROMO: Right.

MILLER: It's just bad news.

BARTIROMO: Which is why I think the party in general has moved so much to the left. It's actually a different party than what it was under Bill Clinton. Don't you think, Ed?

ROLLINS: Sure, but if he basically has any role in drafting their constitution --

BARTIROMO: Bernie Sanders.

ROLLINS: Bernie Sanders. We will beat them like a drum. He is so far to the left. I mean, he is a socialist. He's not a Democrat, he is a socialist.

And the further she gets to the left, the more difficulty she has bringing his supporters into the game the easier, it's going to be for us. I would argue that his positions are so out of sync with the way this country and to get the economy moving, it's a perfect contrast for someone like Trump who understands business, knows how to get the economy moving again.

BARTIROMO: That's right. One of the issues, Steve Moore, is the fact that he's talking about 92 percent tax rates for the highest earners, Bernie Sanders is.

MOORE: Yes.

BARTIROMO: And the party is when you consider Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, I mean, it's really moved, Barack Obama, in a different place than it was sort of center-left when Bill Clinton was the president.

MOORE: Even the Sandinistas don't want a 90 percent tax rate.

But, you know, look, I think the Sanders phenomenon tells you a lot more, Maria, about Hillary than it does about Bernie Sanders. I think this is an anti-Hillary vote in the Democratic Party. When you only -- when the presumptive nominee is barely getting 50 percent in these battleground states, the way I put it is Republicans figure it out that the voters don't want another Bush, the Democrats are finally figuring out to their horror, voters don't want more Clinton, either.

MILLER: Look, I know she has very high negatives but the irony of where Donald Trump has moved is that she is to the right of Donald Trump --

BARTIROMO: What?

MOORE: On what?

BARTIROMO: What is she to the right? Give me one policy that she is on the right.

MOORE: On projection of force, she is much more assertive in terms of using American force. Donald Trump is a virtual isolationist. He does not want to get involved. His policy is rather like Barack Obama's.

ROLLINS: When you look at the two persons that are running for president and you want to make a projection of who is the strong leader, Donald Trump wins that going away. She's Obama all over again.

BARTIROMO: Thanks for joining us, everybody, that will do it for "Sunday Morning Futures." I'll see you on "Mornings with Maria", Fox Business Network tomorrow morning.

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