Three glaring new examples of media bias

'The Five' examine Trump vs. the Washington Post, censorship claims at Facebook and ObamaCare's laughable lie


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 13, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Tonight, a fair and balanced examination of the mainstream media's bias with three glaring new examples, first up, Donald Trump is firing back at the "Washington Post" after learning the paper has devoted an army of 20 staffers to dig up dirt on every nook and cranny of his life. The presumptive GOP nominee thinks the owner has it out for him.


DONALD TRUMP, 2016 PRESUMPTIVE GOP NOMINEE: This is owned as a toy by Jeff Bezos who controls Amazon. Amazon is getting away with murder tax-wise. He's using the Washington Post for power so that the politicians in Washington don't tax Amazon like they should be taxed. He's worried about me and he's -- I think he said that to somebody. It was in some article where he thinks I would go after him for antitrust, because he's got a huge antitrust problem, because he's controlling so much. And what they've done is he bought this paper for practically nothing and he's using that as a tool for political power against me and against other people.


GUILFOYLE: After the post our segment on this story yesterday, they reached out to us and said they have the same amount of staffing resources devoted to follow Hillary Clinton. Now you remember when this happened yesterday, Eric, we had done a story about it. We had been our producer --


GUILFOYLE: Sean O'Rourke for my segment was e-mailing them, contacting them trying to get an answer; they were evasive, they were talking about other things. Then we had the show, we had the discussion saying we still have yet to hear back from them as to whether or not they had the same amount of staffers devoted to cover Hillary Clinton. They responded back during the show and said, "Yes, we do."

BOLLING: Yeah, they finally came through and said, "Yes, we do." But then today what happens is they find a nineteen nine -- they just so happened to find a 1995 audiotape of what is allegedly Donald Trump saying what a great person Donald Trump is as a third person. I wonder if they're going to dig up that stuff for Hillary Clinton. I wonder if that's going -- we're going to suddenly find some conversations that Hillary and Bill may have had from 1995 or '94; '93 and through there. It's just -- those might be pretty interesting --

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Do you think that's comparable?

BOLLING: Uhmm --

WILLIAMS: The guy is pretending not to be himself .

BOLLING: Yes, I think it's comparable.

WILLIAMS: . so he can --

BOLLING: Yes, I would think --

WILLIAMS: So he can brag about his sexual conquests?

BOLLING: I would think that if there was a conversation that was earned (ph) of .

GUILFOYLE: You've done that, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Oh, that's right. I pretend --

BOLLING: . of Bill explaining --

WILLIAMS: I pretend to be Eric so I can say hey ladies, its Eric Bolling.


BOLLING: But don't you think it would be interesting to hear a conversation .


BOLLING: . that Bill was having with Hillary?

WILLIAMS: Well, but it doesn't --

BOLLING: About where he was last night?

WILLIAMS: Let me say -- you think most people pretend to be someone else and then call each other and said hey, this is Greg.

BOLLING: Nor do I think most people --

WILLIAMS: Hey Eric, this is Greg, but it's actually Juan.

BOLLING: Nor do I think most people have many, many interns and many, many mistresses in the White House.

WILLIAMS: But it's just weird. You agree, it's weird behavior, right?

BOLLING: You're just ignoring the other half.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, yeah.

WILLIAMS: Well, I don't know. But you guys can say anybody you want, but that's pretty weird case.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I think Donald was just being thrifty.


GUTFELD: He was doing his own PR. You know how did in sales they use testimonials.


GUTFELD: He did his own testimonials. I mean --

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Under a false name.

GUTFELD: Exactly. I mean, but you know what, we all love testimonials and they're always false, he just happen to cut out the middleman. I want -- I just want to talk --

GUILFOYLE: He's going to save us so much money --


GUILFOYLE: I cannot wait.

GUTFELD: He's going to save us so much money.

GUILFOYLE: My God. Yeah.

GUTFELD: He does -- he goes after the "Washington Post" in that thing as, he says, "Bezos is using the paper as a political tool." Kind of like the "National Enquirer." Let's face it, which was used as a political tool to trash Trump's competitors when you remember the Cruz mistress story, the Cruz/JFK story, the Jeff Bush cocaine story; they were doing a lot of PR work.

BOLLING: Does he own the Enquirer?

GUTFELD: Does he?



GUTFELD: Does he own David Pecker?

BOLLING: Own him --

GUTFELD: Friendship? I don't know.


GUTFELD: What it seems --


BOLLING: Juan, he has friends at the "Washington Post."


GUTFELD: That's true.


WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah.

GUTFELD: That's true. I blame Juan.

WILLIAMS: Just blame me. But I also, you know, now that you say that, remember Breitbart had all of these stories that were favorable -- I mean, people were getting suspicious.


GUILFOYLE: I know what you're going to do.

GUTFELD: I know he's going to pretend to be an --

GUILFOYLE: And you just edited yourself.


GUILFOYLE: Thank you so much.

GUTFELD: For once --


GUTFELD: For once I held back.

GUILFOYLE: Perfect. All right, so let's go to someone sensible --


GUILFOYLE: And mature.

GUTFELD: And you have to go outside the studio.



GUILFOYLE: That happens at 6:00 p.m., OK.




GUILFOYLE: What you got for us?

PERINO: OK. I'll just let it rip, OK.




PERINO: If you remember Sarah Palin when she was announced as the vice presidential choice of John McCain in August, late August of 2008. All of a sudden, Wasilla, Alaska quadrupled its population overnight, and it was all reporters. And they descended upon Wasilla .


PERINO: . and they were paying people. Actually, they wanted to crowd source, remember this? They wanted the crowd source or e-mails and everything so that they could try to figure out a way to, I think it's actually even in the "Washington Post." This is before Bezos, OK, so it was about Palin. Then you had Mitt Romney, remember when they went into his background to find -- went all way back to high school to find out if he had ever bullied a student who was gay?


PERINO: Right. And then sudden that was -- and the media ran with that for several -- now think about this, if you're Cruz or any of the other candidates who thinks the "Washington Post" -- Trump's mad at them, OK, fine. But if you are the other republican candidates you think, why did you hold that until after he was already the nominee? Why did you hold the story based from 1995? Because, did you want Donald Trump to be the nominee so that, then you could throw this stuff out there? I mean, I think there's -- I'm not saying that they sat on the story, but I wouldn't be surprised. I also think that the story that, from 1995, which is, not when Donald Trump was in college, he was 44-years-old, father of three. Making these decisions to call back reporters as himself, he says it wasn't him. You listen to the tape and you decide. And he's already been there's conflicting information about that. That is the kind of thing that one, he knows is in his background, so his team should have been prepared for it. Or two, he needed to come out ahead of time and let people know it was coming.

BOLLING: Do you think it hurts him? I mean, even -- I just don't seem it hurts him --

PERINO: Not with, not with people like you to support him, or rather -- well, not with people -- people who love him and support him --


PERINO: No, it's not going to hurt him.


PERINO: So, I mean -- but I mean --


PERINO: I'm just trying to --

GUILFOYLE: She's saying people who love Trump -- this is not going to faze them, because --


PERINO: It doesn't matter. They don't --


PERINO: It doesn't matter them, but it does matter to people who might be on the fence about who they're going to vote for, because look, there's no great love for Hillary Clinton, either. So if you're on the fence deciding who to vote for, this probably -- I don't know. This will necessary be the story, but you can bet that there's a lot more to come. With Hillary, I don't know how much there is left unearth. I mean, she ran for president in 2008 there's a lot that had already come out. But if you think that there's more by, I don't know.

BOLLING: Juan, you're saying --


BOLLING: My face is that they --


BOLLING: They put 20 reporters to dig deep into Donald Trump, they all going back in 1995. So far, and this is only a couple of weeks. He's been the nominee for --

PERINO: But this to me it's effective, right?

BOLLING: Or the presumptive nominee for 10 days.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but that's why you have to do research on yourself. And what you do is you hire the best people in the business. You get them and you research and find out everything out by yourself and hopefully --

GUTFELD: I've been doing that on you for years.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: And you just wait.

GUILFOYLE: You must be so delighted.

GUTFELD: And you just wait.



PERINO: And also --


PERINO: Can I just say that --

GUILFOYLE: Any picture?

PERINO: It is -- I do think that there's a dangerous path when you threaten a private company, like Amazon, which is not connected to "Washington Post." Jeff Bezos is the CEO and founder of Amazon. He is also the owner of the "Washington Post." I know you want to move on, just give me one second. So on the antitrust thing, he's saying that there's an antitrust problem for Amazon, which I don't think is actually -- there's no merit, I think, to that case. He wants -- if there's an antitrust case to be made against Amazon, I would think the justice department would probably be already on top of that. I think it's dangerous to target for the government, to threaten, to target companies with legal action because of personal vendettas.

BOLLING: Didn't he say that Bezos says that he's -- he thinks Donald Trump is concerned about an antitrust issue? Or Bezos is concerned about his own antitrust? That's why they're on the stir.

PERINO: They have .4 percent of the retail market in the world. I don't think an antitrust case is going to go forward. Just having work on the Microsoft case.

BOLLING: No, no, I've got something to say --

GUTFELD: I bet you talk about the reporting.

BOLLING: Wait, wait, I want to make --

GUILFOYLE: Can you talk about Facebook?

BOLLING: I don't think --

GUILFOYLE: So I don't get scolded from the control room and they're talking to me and Dana.

BOLLING: I'm not saying Amazon has an antitrust issue. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying the way I understood Trump's comment was Bezos was accusing Trump of saying .


BOLLING: . there was an antitrust issue.

PERINO: That's not what I read, but I could be --

GUILFOYLE: All right, so we're gonna, we're going to figure that out, for sure.

PERINO: I'm sure we will.

GUILFOYLE: Indeed. But next up, former employees of Facebook came forward this week and alleged they were told by higher-ups to keep conservative news out of the site's trending topics list. Founder Mark Zuckerberg putting out this new damage control statement, quote, "We take this report very seriously and are conducting a full investigation to ensure our teams upheld the integrity of this product. We found no evidence that the report is true. If we find anything against our principles, you have my commitment that we will take additional steps to address it. In the coming weeks, I'll also be inviting leading conservatives and people from across the political spectrum to talk with me about this and share their points of view." Who got the invite?

GUTFELD: I didn't get one.


GUTFELD: You know what Zuckerberg is like? He's like a liberal parent who suddenly realized that his kid is turning out to be conservative and his kid is Facebook. And the fact, he is so paranoid that his creation is going to be less enlightened than him and his generation. But where there is freedom of expression, there will always be a conservative leaning over time, because as people get older, you become less liberal. And less face it, when you go on Facebook, the people putting up pictures of their grandkids, they are not socialists, they are happy little capitalists that are on, you know, sharing pictures of their food. These are not hardcore leftist. He's got to admit that the longer that he's here on this planet, the more conservative he's going to get.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Dana, and happy people putting up pictures of Jasper (inaudible).


GUTFELD: Those are not left-wing.

PERINO: I felt to Jasper.

GUILFOYLE: That's my point.

PERINO: So they released the list of websites that news organizations that if they saw something from these sites, it should go up to the top. And there were a handful of report -- I shouldn't say republican, but conservative sites on the list, like Breitbart and Daily Caller, Drudge report. But I think one of the things that Mark Zuckerberg should think about when he meets with conservatives, I don't know how they gonna choose who they're going to meet with.

GUILFOYLE: That's right.

PERINO: And that's a little minefield, as well, is that Silicon Valley loves diversity when it's about race or gender. But they don't necessarily like diversity of thought. And I'm not saying Facebook, just itself, but overall, I think that the entire industry could probably benefit from having more conservative voices or socialist voices whatever it might be, to add diversity to Silicon Valley to that poll.

GUILFOYLE: Hello, Bernie. Sound bite him, I'm sure they'll him. So what do you think? How outraged are you about this Facebook story, and to the free market take care? You don't like what they're doing?

BOLLING: Not only do whatsoever --

GUILFOYLE: Don't use it.

BOLLING: They mislabeled the trending topic, OK? So in other words, you have this general understanding that the more popular pieces, it just go with kind of works its way to the top of the trending list. Unfortunately, it's cherry-picked. And now the people know it's been cherry-picked, I think that it will probably expose Mark Zuckerberg's people -- the people that he uses to cherry-pick the stories, and they'll make it more fair.


BOLLING: Like if you go to Twitter, I -- it's also, I believe it's an algorithm that doesn't have a bias, one way or the other. It's just what's getting the most often --


BOLLING: Work its way up the trending list.

GUILFOYLE: So it's just more like a computer robot, Greg, right?

BOLLING: Well, yeah, but that's I think that's fair -- more fair.

GUILFOYLE: Not a personal thing.

BOLLING: That's better I think.


BOLLING: Just by exposing what's been going on. I think Facebook will clean it up fairly quickly so that, you will know when you see a trending topic, it's because it's popular, not because someone that hack -- Zuckerberg hired has a bias towards --

WILLIAMS: But here's the --

GUILFOYLE: That has the bias filter, yeah.

WILLIAMS: Here's the counterpoint, though, that in fact, people game the system. That people know how to kind of go in and push a story in order to get attention for a product or attention for their issue or their point of view. This is particularly a key with things like religion where someone will put out there. And then you know there will be a whole host of people rushing, saying I feel this, I will support that. And you have organizations who want to send out a specific message. I think that the algorithm was doing was trying to defeat people who were playing the system, but it is a very serious charge. They would have some political overview that they were trying to enforce. I think that's why Zuckerberg feels that he's got to come out personally and saying, he's going to investigate it, because this would undercut their authority.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, and his legacy.

WILLIAMS: Credibility.

GUILFOYLE: Greg, (inaudible).

GUTFELD: You know what's interesting, though, is progressivism require as safe space, that's why it thrives on campus, because you have young, inexperienced minds paired with radicals. But conservatism in a way is like a predator fish, wherever it seems to go, it kills, it kills liberalism by preying upon open minds. So if you look at every area, whether it's talk radio, whether it's the web, whether it's cable news and now social networks, when there is freedom and restrictions are low, the free market thinking conservatism comes in and takes over and that's what scares liberals.

PERINO: I have a great point to make that I can't make.

WILLIAMS: What about young people?

GUTFELD: Young people are wonderful, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Well, I'm just saying, I don't think young people are the ones listening to conservative talk radio.

GUTFELD: They will. Trust me.

GUILFOYLE: It was better than Juan?

GUTFELD: They move on.

GUILFOYLE: Do have to say something, quick.

PERINO: I have a great point .


PERINO: . but they're telling me to move on.

GUILFOYLE: Well listen. They can, you know --

GUTFELD: Tell them to wait. Go.


PERINO: It said the EPA has recently been criticized for doing something very similar. They were weighing in on public comment periods in order to try to get President Obama's rule-making supported .


PERINO: . and that is actually even worse than anything suggested here.

WILLIAMS: That's it. That's the game playing I'm talking.

GUILFOYLE: All right, good point.

PERINO: Right, but that's the government.


GUILFOYLE: We got it in, see? And we do around here. And finally, it was one of the biggest lies in American history.


BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: If you like your health care plan you'll be able to keep your health care plan. Period.



GUILFOYLE: Millions of Americans did lose their health insurance after the president deceived them in order to get ObamaCare passed. A very serious matter that's apparently funny to CBS News Anchor Charlie Rose and the president's speechwriters, including the one who crafted the lie.


CHARLIE ROSE, TELEVISION TALK SHOW HOST: Did you have equal impact on serious speeches, because it's about style, use of language, et cetera?

JON LOVETT, FORMER OBAMA SPEECHWRITER: I really like -- I was very -- the joke speech is the most fun part of this, but the things I'm the most proud of where the more serious speeches, I think; health care, economic speeches. And I think --

JON FAVREAU, FORMER OBAMA SPEECHWRITER: Lovett wrote the line about, if you like your insurance, you can keep it.

LOVETT: How dare you.


FAVREAU: And you know what? It's all true.




GUILFOYLE: Liar, liar, pants on fire.

GUTFELD: Where would be get these people from a dorm? They're like -- their combined age is 14.


GUTFELD: That's the problem. We have a White House run by A-Y-S-O rejects.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, very mean.


BOLLING: Unbelievably egregious .


BOLLING: . that they can sit there and laugh about something that was so important that while President Obama said over and over --


BOLLING: Promised over and over again, when they're trying to sell the public on ObamaCare and they laugh like .


BOLLING: . they knew it was all a lie. And now the joke's on us, right? And ObamaCare prices .

GUILFOYLE: And he also that our premiums were going to go down. Remember that?


BOLLING: Prices are going up based on a lie. But Charlie Rose, I mean, I like him a lot.


BOLLING: I like his long-format interviews. But he couldn't, he was out of his -- out of his mind to laugh at that and not push back. Knowing how important that line was .


BOLLING: . you can keep your doctor.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Well, I think he probably regrets it at this point now --

GUTFELD: He might be taking a nap.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know, (inaudible). All right, Juan --

WILLIAMS: Sure, I'm being mean.



GUILFOYLE: We don't have time for this.

WILLIAMS: I would say --


WILLIAMS: If you think about this on one end, boy, this fits in with the Ben Rhoades story, doesn't it?


WILLIAMS: It really does. And also with young people, it's almost like you know, the smartest kids in town over at the White House and they do want they want to do, and they don't necessarily connect it to the consequence, the repercussions of their action. In this case, I think they're all into the art of speechwriting .


WILLIAMS: . as separate from, hey, the president of the United States is speaking to the American people about his key legislative accomplishment, health care and it's going to impact some people. I'm going to saying, we'll slide right over that, you can keep your health care if you want. Well, it turned out a point of embarrassment now.

GUILFOYLE: Like that didn't stays, Juan, like your (inaudible). Anyway, it seems to like it. All right, Dana --


PERINO: It didn't seem to like it.


PERINO: If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. It's not necessarily, that's like from Dr. Seuss, you can figure it out. But on the policy level, perhaps it was just a suggestion.


GUILFOYLE: You think so?

PERINO: Maybe.

GUILFOYLE: All right, all right.


GUILFOYLE: This is a very feisty control room today, indeed.


GUILFOYLE: I mean, wow. OK. Let's play poke the anchor some more. All right, coming up --



GUILFOYLE: Terrible. Roll the prompter, please. This Bill and Hill help their friends get rich off of money donated to their charity, a bombshell new report, that's next.


PERINO: Bill and Hillary Clinton charitable foundation has come under close scrutiny this political season. First, there were revelations that foreign donors of the Clinton Global Initiative may have gotten favors from the state department when Hillary was at the home. Now a new cast controversy, "The Wall Street Journal" reports that Clinton arranged for a $2 million grant to go to a private energy company owned by their friends. That may violate IRS rules for her being non-profit from giving to private interests. President Clinton, however, is confident that no laws were broken.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, regarding the Wall Street Journal report, did the CGI break the law? Regarding that report, do you have any response?

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I -- no. I haven't had a chance to read it carefully, but I think my foundation -- wherever, is answering it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you deny that CGI broke the law in any way?

CLINTON: Oh God, yes.


PERINO: And this foundation released a statement saying that many Clinton friends share the interest of CGI as opposed to a conflict of interest. So what they're calling it Eric is mission-driven investing, that they had like-minded ideas for, I guess this was to deal with global warming, I don't know how it fights poverty but, and that they -- all that the Clinton Global Initiative was doing is being a match-maker of, to align interests.

BOLLING: Kind of. And if that were all it was, it would be fine. In other words, Clinton Foundation made a donation to this company, which allegedly helped low-income people reduce their energy costs there .

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: . by reducing global emissions .

PERINO: Global warming.

BOLLING: . and global warming, whatever. That's fine. That in and of itself, I don't think is illegal. But the problem comes in when this Andrew Tobias, OK. Andrew Tobias was one of three owners of the company that got the $2 million Clinton grant. But don't forget, there's also a federal grant associated with it, too. So there was money that came with the feds, your tax dollars went with this group. Tobias is the a third of the, you know, who out 29 percent or so. Julie, this girl who happen as to be a neighbor of Bill Clinton in Chappaqua was another owner of this wealth.

GUILFOYLE: That's a nice swift (ph) --

BOLLING: Listen, it's not my headlines. It is blonde bombshell who lives near Bill Clinton --

GUILFOYLE: Love thy neighbor, Bolling.

BOLLING: And millions of Clinton also somewhere around another million, $800,000 million dollar federal grant. What that just drips of crony capitalism and possibly, possibly corruption. And I think the federal part of it is the one that's going to get them hooked on this one and I think that's just again, I've been saying this time and time again, this is just the tip of the iceberg with the Clinton Foundation and the Clintons. I think there's a lot of these pay-to-plays and a lot of favors being grant.

GUILFOYLE: Public corruption.

BOLLING: Or money. Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: It should be investigated.

BOLLING: I think it's gonna go further --

PERINO: And I wanted to ask you that, Kimberly, that do you think that there's a legal issue here? Or is it just, maybe it just it looks a little bad?

GUILFOYLE: No. I don't, I think it looks bad because it is bad. And if they are in fact expanding the investigation, which I think they should to cover this public corruption and influence peddling, this might have be more significant than the e-mail server scandal. And you've even said this, Juan, that you really have an issue with what they do with the Clinton Foundation and some of the influence peddling with respect to the deals with other countries, et cetera.

WILLIAMS: I worry that, I mean, I worry when she was secretary of state, that people who wanted to influence her would give money to the Clinton Global Initiative. But they, you know, they say there's no evidence, there's no proof of that, OK, but I just think that's very suspicious. I think it's bad ethics for .


WILLIAMS: . a public official .

GUILFOYLE: It's a tip jar.

WILLIAMS: . to be engaged in that. Now, he's the former president, I understand and he has some influence and he should use it for good. But when for-profit companies suddenly are benefitting from a non-profit's behavior and these are friends of the principles, alarms are going to go off.

PERINO: Woo, woo, woo.


PERINO: That's my alarm sound. I'm not very good at it.


PERINO: You're commenting on the former president during that sound bite?

GUTFELD: I worried about him. I honestly generally think that he doesn't, he doesn't look well and he seems a bit tired, but --

PERINO: Maybe just thin.

GUTFELD: But yeah, it could be. It could be. But this is why I don't give anything to charities.


GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.

GUTFELD: I just completely steer clear. I do, I volunteer my time, instead of money. I work at the youth hostels and various high schools in the community that allow me. And that way you know what they're getting, they know what you're giving and there's none of this red tape that could be a problem later in life. Try it, Kimberly, this weekend.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, God.

PERINO: Don't give her any ideas.

GUILFOYLE: No, please.

PERINO: She's busy this weekend. All right, ahead, a directive from the Obama administration of public schools nationwide uniting -- you are busy right? There's a lot of debate about this .


PERINO: . to accommodate transgender students or lose federal funding. Should this be a federal issue or a states issue? We are going to discuss.

GUTFELD: Are we?


BOLLING: Another overreach by President Obama, his administration issuing a sweeping directive today to all America's public schools. Get this, allow transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms consistent with their chosen gender identity or -- this is important, or risk losing federal funding and face lawsuits. Josh Earnest decides -- denies the federal government will punish schools that don't follow the guidance.


JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: There is no additional requirement that under the applicable law that's being imposed on schools. There's just not, despite the claims of political opponents of the administration. They're a strong desire on the part of some politicians to try and scourge the key political points by .


JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: ... political points. By presenting a solution to a problem that they can't prove exists.


ERIC BOLLING, THE FIVE SHOW CO-HOST: I'm pretty sure he just said that in the directive. Anyway, Donald Trump weighed in on the administration's transgender directive earlier.


DONALD TRUMP, (R) U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think it should be a state's issue. It's become a huge story. And yet it affects, everybody has to be protected. If it's one person. But it's a tiny, tiny portion of the population. And it's become a massive story. I think there should be a state's issue and as many other things should be by the way. And the states should decide.


BOLLING: So, whether or not the states should decide or not. Here's what...



BOLLING: The timeframe was that the White House comes out with a directive and then a couple of hours later, Josh Earnest says no, no, that directive, that's not right.

GREG GUTFELD, THE GREG GUTFELD SHOW CO-HOST: You know, when you watch Josh Earnest talk and you saw how careful he is. That's how sensitive this topic is. It's a cactus. Everybody -- or a porcupine. Everybody doesn't know how to handle it because it's a new phenomenon. This is something that is an issue that is based on marginal information according to the general public.

They don't have all the information about the story. So, while you can be sympathetic obviously of gender confusion, at least maybe have a little bit of sympathy for people who are confused about gender confusion.

The people who are new to this idea to this idea, who don't understand who have kids in school, be sympathetic to that. And the approach that somehow these are heroic outsiders versus the mean, intolerant masses, it's not true. It's not true, there are people that are understandably confused by this.

BOLLING: Dana, what's really going on here? Why does President Obama decide to put this directive out? Is this really a big issue?

DANA PERINO, THE FIVE SHOW CO-HOST: Well, I guess, I think if I'm putting myself in their shoes, that they're trying to figure out a way to try to solve this once and for all with a decree from on high that says, this is how it's going to be. Because I think that they think that they're trying to help the people deal with this in terms of dignity and obviously there is confusion.

I actually don't care if somebody that's transgender wants to use the woman's room. It doesn't bother me, but I understand it could bother some parents. That's why I think that Donald Trump is absolutely right. It's state's issue, let's leave it at that. But you've seen this controversy grown out of North Carolina, it continues on. And the thing that's strange about the White House is that when you do a directive, the reason you do that is because there is the stick.

The carrot and the stick. The carrot is do this and we'll give you something. If you don't you could -- we could withhold federal funding. That's how you get people to do seatbelts laws and speed limits and drinking ages. That's why the federal government tries to have some dominion over the states. And I think in this case it would be better for - - to let the states handle it. Using -- I agree with Trump's statement.


BOLLING: A couple of numbers. I believe, and I looked this up through Gallup, I looked this up through 538 web sites and what not. About one half of 1 percent identify themselves as transgender.

So, for a high school, I think the average in America is somewhere around 500 students. That means maybe two students in that high school maybe identify themselves as transgender. Do we have to have the White House have directives over two students?

PERINO: They say yes.




PERINO: I find -- I think that the White House would say yes.

WILLIAMS: I think -- I think so. I mean, you don't want to discriminate against anybody. And I think and even every individual, and I think the conservatives would be particularly emphatic about this, that you protect individual rights in America. That's the basis of our form of government.

GUILFOYLE: But there's also privacy in children.

WILLIAMS: That individuals -- I will say that there are two ways to look at this. One way to look at it is, North Carolina passed a law, I don't even know that there was a problem, but they passed a law.

So then they got into a fight and then you have the Justice Department saying, no, we disagree with you North Carolina. That's a discriminatory law until there's going to be action by Justice Department, again, for the State of North Carolina.

The second way to look at it is I think is people say you know, I'm not comfortable with this. This is what Greg was saying, you know, I just don't know, I'm -- you have to let me get used to this.

An so when you ask them in polls about that issue, you see people saying -- yes, I'm not exactly comfortable with this, I'm not sure what it means and then they bring in the children and all the rest. Even though the police say this is a non-issue. It's not something where, oh, there's a spate of crime across the country.

GUILFOYLE: Right. This is very big problem and legal issue because you also have children. What about the interests, you know, privacy and of children? It gets very complicated. You have some schools that are saying that you cannot plan a competitive sport unless you are -- you know, the gender that you're biologically are assigned. Then you can't go play, say, a guy on, you know, on the girl's team, et cetera, et cetera. But yet you can use the rest room there and go shower.

BOLLING: It's a huge issue.


BOLLING: If a male -- biological male decides he wants to be identified as a female, can he now go play a woman's sport?




WILLIAMS: This is total there is social issue.

GUILFOYLE: It is true.

WILLIAMS: It is not true under title nine.

GUILFOYLE: Did you watch O'Reilly on Tuesday?

WILLIAMS: What did you say?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. O'Reilly on Tuesday night.

BOLLING: Title nine is a discrimination.

WILLIAMS: No, no. What?

BOLLING: Title nine is a discrimination.

WILLIAMS: Title nine says you don't discriminate. And the idea was to give young women the opportunity to play sports, that you wouldn't have all the sports teams and all the resources given to the boys.


WILLIAMS: So now you have that use. But that is not to say oh, I choose to go play, I'm going to go wrestle with Kimberly, no, that's not happening.


GUTFELD: But there -- it maybe a different issue but it really is an intriguing problem in the sense that there's an MMA fighter who had a sex change and is now a woman. Beating all of the women and there are women who don't want to fight her because she has the musculature of a man. How do you settle that?

WILLIAMS: I would say that's wrong.

PERINO: That's unfair.

WILLIAMS: That just makes pure sense. That's unreasonable.

BOLLING: Let me give you one more from a taxpayer standpoint.

GUILFOYLE: That's a Caitlyn Jenner in Olympics.

BOLLING: There are money set aside for women-owned businesses in America, right?


BOLLING: So if I'm male who is having a hard time, can't get funding, can I identify as a woman, start a business and get federal grants...


GUILFOYLE: And get a small business plan.

BOLLING: ... as a small business female money director?

WILLIAMS: This is so...

BOLLING: Am I right?

GUILFOYLE: Yes you could. Yes, you could.

WILLIAMS: You are so far away from the hard reality.

BOLLING: I guess we are.

WILLIAMS: The hard reality is that people...

BOLLING: If I identify as a woman can I get female funding for women's businesses.

WILLIAMS: I don't think, I would dismiss, I would say get out of here. Look, the real issue here is so many young people get bullied, get abused, they have trouble at home, they're going through a sexual turmoil confusing their own minds, the public doesn't like it in many cases. And all the administration is trying to do is say we should protect these kids. That's all.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Well, how many times have you been followed into the bathroom? You don't know what it's like.

BOLLING: OK. On that note.

GUTFELD: I apologize already.

BOLLING: Lots of opinions from George Clooney, Johnny Depp and Susan Sarandon on the presidential race, you'll hear from them next.


WILLIAMS: Some of Hollywood's heavy hitters have a lot to say this year about the presidential race. First up, George Clooney and Johnny Depp on the GOP's presumptive nominee.


GEORGE CLOONEY, ACTOR: There's not going to be a president Donald Trump. That's not going to happen.


It's not going to happen because we're not going to be, fear is not going to be something that we're going to, that's going to be what drives our country.

JOHNNY DEPP, ACTOR: If it's Donald Trump elected president of the United States, in the kind of historical way it's exciting because we will see the actual last president of the United States. It just won't work after that.



WILLIAMS: Susan Sarandon is not a Trump fan, either. But she's also not willing to get behind Hillary Clinton.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You wish it's Trump.

SUSAN SARANDON, ACTRESS: I'm not saying I endorse Hillary. I'm not. I'm going to say I'm going to wait and see what happens. There's a lot of things can happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What could happen?

SARANDON: So many things. She could have health issues, she could not get the nomination. He's doing really well.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think Bernie could get it?




WILLIAMS: What do you think? Hollywood clearly does not like Trump.

GUTFELD: Big story is what is happening to Johnny Depp. He's like a cross between inspector Cousteau and an Ambien. I mean, he's just -- I mean, what happened to "21 Jump Street"? He's gone. He's like a walking mausoleum. Look, if they want to elect Trump, keep talking.

Every time one of these fellows opens their mouth, there's another 1,000 people voting for Trump.


GUTFELD: When somebody tells me, a neighbor tells me to turn down my music, I turn it up.



GUILFOYLE: That's because you're immature.

GUTFELD: I am an immature jerk.


WILLIAMS: Dana, Clooney's argument is the press doesn't ask tough questions of Trump. They just love him because of the ratings and they have promoted Donald Trump and foisted him on to the American people.

PERINO: Well, there is that viewpoint. But what I thought what was interesting was when he sat there with his head in his hands, you know, like so depressed but also like, and as if he wants people to know he's so nonchalant about it when actually he's probably pretty worried.

Remember he had that big fundraiser for Hillary Clinton...

GUILFOYLE: Huge, yes.

WILLIAMS: Yes, big money.

PERINO: ... and then he had to apologize because of the hypocrisy of the big money. And that's Susan Sarandon, I understand that they like Bernie Sanders. But I think they are delusional to think he could win the presidency. Pretty much...


GUILFOYLE: He might ought to win the nomination as some would be. But there's like an ultraliberal faction of Hollywood and Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins are all part of it. I know because George Clooney said that.

BOLLING: When, on the yacht?

GUILFOYLE: No. In the upper east side one night at dinner, that they heard his side, like the dems and the libs.


GUILFOYLE: Because they become off too extreme, it freaks people out and actually ends up helping the other candidates.

WILLIAMS: Eric, there's an interesting point in Bill Maher said it and now we hear it from Johnny Depp. If Trump is elected, he'll be the last president, the entire system of government will dissolve.

BOLLING: Yes. Along with all of these liberal Hollywood elites that say they're going to leave the country. Like Lena Dunham.


BOLLING: Didn't Depp leave?

PERINO: He did. I think he left for Paris.


BOLLING: Left and then he came back, right, because the taxes were too high there? I think that's...

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. You mean our taxes are lower?


BOLLING: No, no. Remember, France had their highest rate at 75 percent. He's like OK, better move back to America.

WILLIAMS: All right.

BOLLING: You guys can go.

WILLIAMS: All right.

PERINO: Bye-bye.

WILLIAMS: Don't go anywhere. Don't listen to him because Facebook Friday is up next.


GUTFELD: Yes. It's Facebook Friday. In case you're wondering what that is. Who gave this to us, Dana, it's got cookies.

PERINO: Maggie McGee (ph) who -- McGrath.


PERINO: She wrote 52 weeks of cookies and she sent 52 weeks of cookie jar. Signed who is in the armed forces. It's very nice.

GUTFELD: Yes. There you go. Beautiful.

All right. First question, because it's Friday the 13th from Theresa T., "Do you have any superstitions about Friday the 13th?" I have to go to Eric first.

BOLLING: I'm loaded with superstitions.

PERINO: Baseball player.

BOLLING: You grow up a baseball player, I mean, you don't step on the lines when you go out into the field. You use the same bat. If you win you get a couple of hitch, you wear the same socks.

Now I walk through -- so they put out these runners in the hallways so you don't slip when the weather is rainy. And it has 1211 Sixth Avenue and I have to walk through the 1's, at 12th Avenue, no matter where we are I have to walk right through the ones, can't touch them. My socks never match.



PERINO: It makes your laundry a lot easier actually.

BOLLING: And I pick up a dime, I pick it up. If I see a penny, nickel or a quarter, I just walk past it. It's amazing. I have no idea why.

GUILFOYLE: He's a 1 percenter. You won't pick a penny.

GUTFELD: What about you, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Do I have any Friday the 13th superstitions?

GUTFELD: Any superstitions? Play!

GUILFOYLE: No, I really don't. But I don't like the movie "Friday the 13th."

GUTFELD: Oh, there you go.

GUILFOYLE: So, it's a negative connotation but I don't like horror movies or bad things with the devil in it.

GUTFELD: The devil, there's no such thing. Juan?

WILLIAMS: I don't go to horror movies.


WILLIAMS: I avoid them. I have no need. My life has enough scary stuff in it.

GURFELD: Superstitions?

WILLIAMS: The only superstitious thing, when I pick up pennies, I pick up anything I see.

BOLLING: Heads up only?

WILLIAMS: No, no. I pick them up.

GUTFELD: What about money?

WILLIAMS: I just think hey, free, why not. You know what's odd is in places where rich people hang out like the Starbucks?

GUTFELD: You never...

WILLIAMS: You see pennies all over the floor also going through the airport.


WILLIAMS: TSA, man, you could become a rich person there's so many quarters out there.




GUTFELD: None whatsoever.

PERINO: No superstitions.

GUTFELD: Wow. Well, here's my question, it's like, if something you do is painful and then something great happens after that, then you have to do the painful thing.


GUTFELD: Like let's say, you fall down and hit your head, and then you win the lottery. Then every day you have to pound your head.


WILLIAMS: That's called S&M.

GUTFELD: Yes. Where I come from live it's called Saturday.

PERINO: To Monday.


GUTFELD: OK. Kalem (ph). Thank you, Kalem (ph). What's so -- oh, this is a great question, what's something that is so overrated to you, you'll never understand the appeal? Is that a great question?

WILLIAMS: And The Five doesn't count.

GUTFELD: And The Five does not count. All right. Who wants this first?

GUILFOYLE: Don't look at me. Not me.

GUTFELD: Dana? Come on.

PERINO: I have something in mind but I'll say Hollywood. I never understood, I appreciate, I love to watch movies and things but I am not star-struck.


PERINO: I don't ever feel like I need to meet a celebrity.

GUTFELD: OK. Because you are a celebrity.

PERINO: No, I don't think that, either.

GUTFELD: You like the regular people.

PERINO: I'm just one of the folks.

GUTFELD: You're just one of the folks.

PERINO: You're just like us.

GUTFELD: Yes. Yes. Eric?

BOLLING: I don't know. Maybe fast food? I mean, so I don't eat any fast food any more.

GUILFOYLE: You like fries.


GUILFOYLE: Yes, you do. You like the fries in (Inaudible).

BOLLING: Fries aren't bad, those things are amazing.

GUILFOYLE: They come pretty quick.

BOLLING: And so I understand the appeal. So, the last part of that doesn't really apply, but not eating it for a while. It kind of grosses me out to think about it.

GUTFELD: It makes you -- it makes you feel weird.

WILLIAMS: You know a kind of different things, as I was thinking as I was sitting here, I remember in college, everybody drank a lot of beer. I mean, people would drink beer and I would be like man if I have a beer, I go to sleep basically. It's not for me, right?


WILLIAMS: But now, I can have a beer and I understand a little bit more of its appeal. But beer has got to be the most popular alcohol in the country. Everybody drinks beer. But for most people, or for me, anyway, it really is like a saprotrophic. I just go, whoa.

GUTFELD: I like the term saprotrophic, I never hear that one. All right, K.G., what's overrated in your world? But don't say men.

GUILFOYLE: Definitely not men. In my world, I don't know, there's only one thing I don't particularly love to do. It's -- yes, it's roller coasters.

GUTFELD: That's really good.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I think it's overrated.


GUILFOYLE: It's just like there's so many other things I find far more exciting.

GUTFELD: Exactly. There's more fun ways to scream in my view. You know what I hate it, but you know what? I can't stand going to the movies. I don't understand why I have to share that experience with perfect strangers. I don't understand paying a lot of money to sit with people...

PERINO: Well, you don't have to any more.

GUTFELD: I know. It's so great. I also don't like hand sanitizer.

PERINO: Do you think it's overrated?

GUTFELD: Yes. It tastes terrible.


PERINO: What if a girl with you?



WILLIAMS: It's terrible. Yes.

GUTFELD: I know you love sushi.

GUILFOYLE: I like sushi.

GUTFELD: It's raw fish, chopped up, overrated.

BOLLING: Amazing, though.

GUTFELD: Yes, I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: What do you mean overrated?

PERINO: Truffles.

GUTFELD: Truffles. Overrated. Truffles. This is a book. Truffles are overrated. They ruin everything, when they put truffle oil on French fries, it kills the French fries.

GUILFOYLE: I would agree with that. I don't think you -- I like the pure taste.

GUTFELD: Kaye McGraw (ph).



BOLLING: Overrated.


GUTFELD: Not rated. One more thing up next.


GUILFOYLE: It's our number one more thing. Juan, give us your best shot.

WILLIAMS: How Speaker Paul Ryan said today, there will be no bailout for Puerto Rico. Now at first you might think, why is that so interesting? Well, let me tell you. Puerto Rico has to pay $2 billion, I repeat, billion dollars to bond holders on July 1st. If they don't they're in big trouble.

And in fact, the relief bill to help bail them out is due in Congress this Wednesday. But, again, Ryan says no bailout under pressure from his freedom caucus. Dozens of U.S. cities, so you should know, are in the same boat.

I'm talking about Philadelphia, St. Louis, Jacksonville. Even in New York. Why? Deferred payments on pensions and bonds that are coming due. So, whatever happens with Puerto Rico, is going to happen across America. Watch this ticking time bomb.

GUILFOYLE: It is an important story. We were talking about it. We were going to do that down at special report, Dana?

PERINO: OK. Yesterday I went to Oklahoma City, they made me an honorary Oklahoma thunder fan. Thunder up.


PERINO: Because they won last night so that was cool. And I got this little gift. Little felted Jasper made by Brenda.

GUTFELD: Say that again?

PERINO: In the (Inaudible). Anyway, very cute and everything is going to be taking pictures. I just made one modification, I made his ear a little shorter.

GUTFELD: It's adorable.

BOLLING: That's very cute.

GUTFELD: Very cute.

GUILFOYLE: And I have a little picture with him. I fostered him, right?

WILLIAMS: They're making fun of poor Dana.

PERINO: I've had a rough show.


GUTFELD: Show tomorrow night, 10 o'clock. I got that Greg proofs, great comedian, a legend. Tyra's the MMA -- MF -- professional wrestler. Sorry. Paul Higby, Navy SEALS, a good guy. And this...

Friday the 13th, so obviously a cat shows up at angel stadium. Runs around. Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a cat on the field.


GUTFELD: I can't believe it.

GUILFOYLE: A cat on the field.

GUTFELD: Yes, let's talk over it, shall we? Look, there's a cat on the field. This is produce...

PERINO: Did he tag the base?

GUTFELD: Producers love this stuff. Because it takes two things and puts it together like -- chocolate and peanut butter.

All right I'm done.

BOLLING: OK. I'll go very quick.

PERINO: That cat.

BOLLING: Yes, very quickly. Jimmy Kimmel had a great idea for a vice president nominee. Listen.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Instead of a vice president, why aren't you running for president?

JIMMY KIMMEL, COMEDIAN: Well, that's a great question. Thank you Mexican- American person.


Thank you. That is because I am not an ego maniac. I am humble like Mother Theresa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know anything about politics?

KIMMEL: That's a very good question and I'll answer it with another question. Does anyone know anything about politics? Really? Together we are going to put the "I can" back in "Amer-i-can." Thank you.


Thank you. God bless you and God bless the United States of America.


GUILFOYLE: OK. A special story I want to get to. Jake (Inaudible), an army veteran, former sheriff's deputy. Fell into a 48-day coma after battling a number of medical ailments resulting in heart attack. He came out of it. The first thing he asked for, I want Taco Bell. So, we're going to some of this in his honor.


GUILFOYLE: That's it for us, have a great weekend. "Special Report" is next.

GUTFELD: "Hannity."

GUILFOYLE: And "Hannity."

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