Hannity: Why Trump became the presumptive GOP nominee; Trump Jr. talks father's 'historic' journey

Candidate's son weighs in on 'Hannity' about messages resonating with voters, potential Trump team members


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," May 4, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." And tonight, with Senator Ted Cruz and Governor John Kasich dropping out of the race, Donald Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee.

Now, let me smart by explaining how we got to this point. Now, I know many of you are disappointed that Senator Ted Cruz got out of the race, and some are predicting that this is the end of the Republican Party. Now, a few on the GOP side say, oh, they're never going to vote for Trump, they'll stay home in November or may even vote for Hillary.

Now, look, I want to start by saying I am extremely sympathetic in terms of how people's feelings are. I've been out on the road with these candidates. To run for president, that takes guts, courage, commitment.  It truly is the ultimate the blood sport.

Now, Ted Cruz ran a really hard campaign, one of the toughest candidates I've ever witnessed. He took risks. He played the ground game better than most of the other candidates. But in the end, he did fall short.

Now, if you really want to understand this election, to me, I think we need to go back to the beginning. So what set the stage for two very different outsider candidates to blow away every seasoned politician that was running? How is it that a record primary voting season like this unfolded?  How did a guy like Mr. Trump, a man who defied all conventional political gravity, actually win the nominee and take out 16 others?

Now, some of you out there, you're blaming, let's see, Fox News, or blaming talk radio. By the way, personally, I wish I had that much power and that much influence. I don't. Neither does anybody else. If I did, Obama never would have been president.

Now, those of you who have that analysis, I think it's extremely shallow, and by the way, also predicated on this notion that, well, people are stupid. People were bamboozled. Sorry, I don't buy that for one second.

Now, this is, and has been, a vote of rebellion unlike anything I've ever seen in my lifetime or maybe will ever see again. Now, do you really think -- for example, let's go to Indiana last night. Do you believe people voting for Trump in Indiana had no clue that he was not conventional? Do you really believe the voters there didn't see whatever flaws that he might have had? Do you really believe they didn't see the mistakes that were talked about ad nauseam all over TV and radio?

In spite of all of that, the voters in Indiana chose him. The question is why? Now, my answer is I think the voters of Indiana knew exactly what was at stake last night. They knew. It was do or die for Senator Ted Cruz.  Now, they knew they had a lot of influence in deciding whether or not it came down to a contested convention or giving Trump the nomination.

Now, let me tell you my theory. Now, Trump is a direct result -- all you politicians in Washington pay attention -- it is a direct result of the institutional failure of Republican and Democratic governance.

Now, all the things -- for example, I laid out on my Web site, Hannity.com, in late 2013, he is a direct result that the Republican Party has actually allowed President Obama's radical agenda to be passed. They didn't stand up to him!

Politicians cared more about their own money, their own power than they did about the fact that we, what, have 20 percent of American families that don't have one single member of the family working, 95 million Americans out of the labor force, close to 50 million Americans suffering in poverty, more than 40 million Americans on food stamps, all record numbers. So they were complicit.

Look at John Boehner. Nearly $5 trillion in debt on his watch. And of course, Republicans had control and the power of the purse constitutionally. And now our national debt is more than $19 trillion, a burden we're putting on our kids and grandkids.

Also, Republican trade deals, what have they done? They've hurt American workers. They've hurt manufacturing in the country. Illegal immigration has allowed, what, 11 million or 14 million illegals into the country?  What do they do? They compete for jobs. They drive down wages.

And when it comes to the border wall, you know the wall that Donald Trump talks about, well, the truth is, Republicans never wanted it built or it would have been built. They care too much about appeasing big business that thrive on cheap labor, and of course donate to their campaigns.

Democrats, well, they're smarter in a way. They're looking at this from the long term. They want a demographic shift that will keep them in power for generations.

So if you want to sum this up, you, the people, got fed up. You're angry.  You're frustrated. And rightly so, disgusted with D.C. Every exit poll showed 60 to 65 percent of Republican primary voters said, Enough's enough.  They feel betrayed.

Add to that, of course, that Americans -- how many wars have we fought? We send our sons and daughters to fight, bleed and die, our national treasure, then to have those wars politicized. We lost 5,000 brave Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan. They fight for gains (ph). And look at Ramadi. Look at Mosul and Tikrit and Fallujah that end up in the hands of ISIS. Look what happened in Vietnam. We can never allow this to happen again.

Look at American schools. They're failing. The country's health care system has been destroyed, as well as inner city America.

Now we have a government that allows over $100 billion to go to the number one state sponsor of terror? What did Republicans do it stop it?

Now, Trump was really was the only candidate -- for example, he took on controversial issues. For example, Muslim immigration. He spoke honestly about the concerns that people were having about this country letting in Syrian refugees, knowing that our director of national intelligence, our FBI director and others were saying ISIS will infiltrate the Syrian refugee population.

He said he wants to build up our military. He wants to take care of our veterans. And now Republican voters with full knowledge of who Donald Trump is and was are saying, We'll take our chance. We'll go with Donald Trump, with a non-politician, with a successful businessman who's created jobs.

They know his imperfections, but people thought of the 17, he was the best option. After all, they're saying to themselves, what have we got to lose?

Now, some conservatives may have concerns about Donald Trump. They have a right to feel that way. If I was advising Mr. Trump, I'd put together a written contract like the "Contract with America."

For example, a few years ago, I offered the up a list of what I called conservative solutions, the conservative solution caucus, to help get America back on track and stop this rapid decline.

For example, let's live within our means, the penny plan, balance the budget, pass a balanced budget amendment. You know, limit the amount of taxes government can collect from people. Move America towards energy independence. Create those jobs. Also, we have the benefit of not having to lean on countries that hate us for the lifeblood of our economy.

Create health care savings accounts, get rid of ObamaCare, enact term limits, allow choice in schools, secure the borders.

I also think that if Trump wanted to take my advice, why not take a look at some of these great governors that took high deficits and created surpluses, high unemployment and brought in hundreds of thousands of jobs.  Some of their pictures are right there on the screen. My list includes many of his rivals, strong conservatives who can help him get this country back on the right track.

Here now with reaction, author of "The Greatest Comeback," Patrick J. Buchanan is with us. Sir, how are you?

PAT BUCHANAN, AUTHOR, "THE GREATEST COMEBACK": Doing just fine, Sean. How are you?

HANNITY: Is my analysis right or wrong?

BUCHANAN: It's comprehensive. I think there's an awful lot in there I agree with, my friend.

HANNITY: You know, but the reality, is here's something that -- the reason I wanted to put that together is for all the hand wringing that's going on out there, there's a reality that nobody wants to face, is that the conditions for an outsider to win like Donald Trump were created by weak, timid, feckless, visionless Republicans. And that's my argument. Am I wrong?

BUCHANAN: Yes. No, you're not. This is a -- the Trump success is a repudiation of the political class in the Beltway and especially the Republican Party inside the Beltway because it's failed. Take the three aces that Donald Trump has in the campaign. Immigration -- why didn't the Republican Party in power simply secure the border as some of us begged them to do instead of waiting for 12 million illegals to get into the country?

HANNITY: But you know the answer.

BUCHANAN: Why did...

HANNITY: Pat, what's the answer? Republicans wanted donations from big corporations that want cheap labor. Am I wrong or right?

BUCHANAN: You're not only right there, you're right on why we got these trade deals, why the Bushes and the others got together with Bill Clinton and enacted NAFTA. The trade deals benefit transnational corporations that like to move production abroad because it's cheaper there and then bring their products back to the United States free of charge.

All of these trade deals we've done for the benefit of these transnational corporations and to the disastrous effect on American workers who lost these jobs and have had no real increase in wages for years and years and years.

I mean, we lost six million manufacturing jobs in the first decade of the 20th century -- 21st century. But there's something else there, Sean, that Trump was right on. He said, Look, we got to stay out of these foreign wars where no vital interest of the United States of America is in peril.  We can't have our guys fighting and dying all over the world. There are thugs all over the place. But unlike what George W. Bush said, America's goal in the world is not to end tyranny on this earth because we can't do that utopian goal.

HANNITY: You know, Pat, I still believe it was the right thing to do, the war on terror, the battle against Iraq. But what I can't put up with is one more time like Vietnam, like Iraq, that all these guys win the wars we send them to fight and die for, and then all of a sudden, it gets politicized and they get weak in the knees and they pull out and everything goes back to those people -- you know, like it never happened. We can't do that to American sons and daughters!

BUCHANAN: We didn't think it through. Look at the disaster that exists today in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Syria and Libya and in Yemen in all of which we're involved. The people that launched the war -- David Petraeus said -- he had a good line on the road up to Baghdad, he said, Tell me how this thing ends. It is 13 years on May 1, Sean, since George W. Bush said mission accomplished on that aircraft carrier. Is the mission accomplished today in Mosul? When you see a mob in the Green Zone and Joe Biden goes over there and has to get out of there in 10 hours? That's 13 years after "mission accomplished."

HANNITY: Let me ask you this. Assess a race, Hillary versus Donald Trump.  What advice would you give him? I like the idea of a team of rivals. I think people are so cynical now, putting promises down on paper. It worked for Newt Gingrich, the "Contract With America." Tell people what you're going to do. Do it. Tell them you did it. Good idea/bad idea?

BUCHANAN: Well, no, what I would do as Trump -- first, he's got three aces here. His three aces are the immigration issue, the trade issue, and the foreign policy issue, America first. He's got those issues.

I would put together a vice presidential -- put a vice president on there who reinforces that, who could bring him some strength from a state or from a sizable constituency. And then I would go on the offensive after Hillary Rodham Clinton.

And I think the decisive states are going to be what you might call the blue collar states, the Rust Belt states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan.  I think in -- not Illinois. But those states up through there is where this is going to be decided. I think Trump with a top-notch candidate, if he unites the party, which he ought to do, I think he can...

HANNITY: Who would that candidate be?

BUCHANAN: ... hold the Republican base...

HANNITY: Who would that candidate be?

BUCHANAN: You know, I would not drop -- I would prefer not to drop out names as he prefers not to drop out names right now.


HANNITY: OK. And he can beat Hillary...

BUCHANAN: But I think that is the...

HANNITY: From Pat Buchanan's perspective, he'll win the general election.  He can win this.

BUCHANAN: I think he can win for this reason. Hillary was a better candidate, frankly, in 2008 than she is right now. And when Trump said, you know, she would only have 5 percent if she weren't a woman, he has this point. The woman -- being a woman is the strongest appeal Hillary Clinton has because she is not a good candidate. She is not what I used to call a political athlete. She's getting clobbered in state after state by Bernie Sanders...

HANNITY: Yes. I got to run.

BUCHANAN: ... who at least has got a message.

HANNITY: Well said. All right. Thank you, Patrick J. Buchanan.

When we come back, Donald Trump's son, Don, Jr., here to weigh in on his father's campaign. How can he unite the party? That's next.

Plus, is Hillary Clinton trying to steal the Democratic nomination from Bernie Sanders? "FOX & Friends" Heather Nauert is here to explain how the superdelegate system works and if they didn't exist, by the way, this race would be a lot tighter. That and more tonight on "Hannity."



HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity." So Donald Trump is now looking ahead to the general election after becoming the presumptive Republican nominee. Here with reaction, Donald Trump's son, Donald Trump, Jr.

I'd shake your hand. I've got a horrible cold. I don't want to get you sick.

DONALD TRUMP, JR., DONALD TRUMP'S SON: I appreciate it, by the way. Most people usually tell you after they've shaken your hand...


HANNITY: You just shook my hand. Gee, thanks. I appreciate it. All right, huge win for your dad. From the very beginning, he has defied all conventional political gravity.

TRUMP: 100 percent.

HANNITY: He has defeated some of the top names in the Republican Party.  Did you always think that would happen? Did you...

TRUMP: You know, it's interesting. I mean, obviously it was against all odds. If I took all the, quote, unquote, "experts" when we got into this...


TRUMP: ... you know, zero chance, and maybe less than 1 percent, and now he's done it.


HANNITY: ... people are saying it about the general.

TRUMP: Exactly. So what does their opinion actually mean? Not a lot.  But then I want to do the outtake reel of, And I called it all along, you know?


TRUMP: Everyone's a genius in hindsight, right? So honestly, it's just special, Sean, to be a fly on the wall, to see this process, so see something so historic, really. I mean, no one's ever done this, an outsider coming in to take on, you know, umpteen governors and umpteen senators, and all these people with all this experience and connection to the party and -- you know, his message of, you know, giving a voice to the people has just been huge and...

HANNITY: They get it.

TRUMP: ... they've turned out for him.

HANNITY: As I said in my opening monologue tonight, I think there's a reason for this. And I think all those people left behind -- 20 percent of families don't have a family member with a job.

TRUMP: Correct.

HANNITY: You know, 95 million Americans out of work, 50 million in poverty -- and I think they just said "Enough."

TRUMP: 100 percent.

HANNITY: Record debt, record deficits, regulation that doesn't allow us to frack or coal mining, like Hillary said. I think it's having a profound impact.

TRUMP: As a country, this government -- they don't even want to let us take advantage of the natural resources that we have. You know, they want to impede that. I mean, Hillary's comments about the coal miners...


TRUMP: I mean, I don't get it. Why would we be dependent on countries that can't stand us when we actually have this stuff in the ground? We can put people to work!

HANNITY: Did you hear the coal miner that actually confronted her?


HANNITY: He's coming up on the program.

TRUMP: Oh, really? That's great.

HANNITY: He's going to be here.

TRUMP: That's great.

HANNITY: But you think this is how they make their living! The government -- they want to put them out of business. They want to put frackers out of business.

TRUMP: Government doesn't understand that because the difference between government and my father is my father signs the front of paychecks. You know, he's -- he's actually employed people. He knows about employment. I mean, I think it's so laughable when I listen to so many of these (INAUDIBLE) all the jobs they've created. They haven't created jobs.


TRUMP: You know, they haven't done any of that in real life. And so you know, my father's message of talking about that to the people, not talking at them, not lecturing them like academics, but actually talking to them like people. You know, your voice matters. We want you on there. I mean, it's incredible. And just the following he's been able to achieve with that has been incredible.

HANNITY: At any moment, either last night or this morning, did this become real for you? In other words, what's about to happen?

TRUMP: Very much so. I mean, you can hear even -- I mean, I'm still -- it's so surreal. It's so special just to be a small part of it, just to help be a voice, you know, for those people in this. So it's really special. And I just -- it's just awesome to be here.

HANNITY: Let's talk about -- now you're moving to a general election.  Looks like it's going to be Hillary Clinton. I know Katrina Pierson in an interview earlier today said Hillary Clinton has not been vetted. I actually agree with that. I don't think most people know about her background, why your dad calls her "crooked Hillary." There's a reason for it. And I think there's going to be a long process of really vetting her.

TRUMP: I think so. I mean, listen, you know, I'm a man. I believe in mathematics and statistics, right? There's no way, no way that you have all these instances that are linked in this and this and that and -- where there's not an actual connection. I mean, where there's smoke, there's fire. And there's so much smoke.

Now, it's different when you have, you know, a Valerie Jarrett type. You know, when your team is taking care of you and protecting you from actual, you know, persecution and prosecution, it makes it a little bit harder.  But I think when the people really see, you know, what's out there, when they really see, you know, the links to all of this craziness, she's a very flawed candidate.

HANNITY: How do you like the idea -- because I thought there was some very strong candidates that your dad went up against, governors that did great jobs of taking record deficits, turning them into surpluses, high unemployment rates, bringing hundreds of thousands of jobs to their states.  It seems -- I think this is one of the strongest fields I've ever seen in my lifetime.

What about your dad and the relationship? He talked about people calling him -- I guess they want -- the last on the ship. And by the way, the first controversy, they'll be the first off.

TRUMP: Of course.

HANNITY: What about some of those guys like Rick Perry, who has a good -- great record, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich, and people out of government, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich?

TRUMP: Yes. Well, listen, I mean, you know, guys like Rudy have been so vocal. Guys like Newt have been very vocal about it. I mean, I think they'd be great. We'd love to have them on board.

I mean, right now, it's really about unity. It's bringing that party together for a common goal, which is to win in November, right? So I think there's some great examples. I think there's some people that can get on.  I mean, I think looking back now to June, though, just, you know, as I'm still sort of caught up in this incredible moment...

HANNITY: The trip down the escalator.

TRUMP: And right before that, I mean, I remember the one thing my father said -- it wasn't about, Wow, this is real or this is -- it's, Now we'll find out who our friends are.

HANNITY: Did that happen?

TRUMP: Well, of course, right?

HANNITY: You always do.

TRUMP: You always do. And so...

HANNITY: Did he really say that before?

TRUMP: It's been a great vetting process for, you know, who's a friend and who's not. And there's been many that have been and there's been many that...

HANNITY: And they all want to get on the train now.

TRUMP: Yes. I woke up to my e-mail and text messages this morning. I think I had 325 text messages...


HANNITY: ... happy for you.



TRUMP: Now they're back on board. So it's -- it's been a great process.  It's really (INAUDIBLE)

HANNITY: One idea -- there were two big conservative movements I think in the country where I think it profoundly changed America for the better.  Obviously, the Reagan years, and the second was Newt's "Contract with America."

When you look at the distrust that the voters now have with Republicans and Democrats in Washington, do you think -- do you like the idea of putting on paper -- I know your dad mentioned he will name all the people that he would consider for the Supreme Court. Do you like the idea of maybe making that -- putting -- it's just like a contract that he does for business.

TRUMP: I think so. I mean, I think there's certainly some merit to it.  But I think at the same time, my father's done so well because people realize he's a businessman. They realize he can create jobs. And they realize that there's dynamics in the markets that change. I mean, so putting something on paper today may not be as applicable in 18 months from now, depending on what's going on in the world, what's going on in the economy and...

HANNITY: But certain things will be, energy independence...

TRUMP: 100 percent, but...


TRUMP: I mean, he's been talking about fracking and he's been talking about all of these things for such a long period of time. I mean, we're the Saudi Arabia of natural gas. We're the Saudi Arabia of coal. And the other side says, We'd rather, you know, buy this stuff from our enemies, create a monopoly for them where they can then also jack up the pricing because that's all they're doing now. They're lowering the pricing to put our natural gas producers, to put them out of business because it's a little bit, you know, more expensive to extract that kind of gas than it is oil in Saudi Arabia that sits two feet below the surface.

HANNITY: Ridiculous. Right.

TRUMP: They'll do that, and then they'll come back in, prices will go back up and we'll have...


TRUMP: We have this stuff in our back yard. We can employ people with it.  We can use those surpluses to then actually have a -- educate our children.  How about take care of our vets? You know, all of these things and all of these great people in America who've been totally neglected -- you know...


HANNITY: ... easy things we can do.

TRUMP: So much!

HANNITY: That's a thing.

TRUMP: It's crazy! And it's just been neglected and so...

HANNITY: It's low-hanging fruit. I agree.

TRUMP: Very much so.

HANNITY: All right, Ted Cruz supporters are angry. They're upset.  There's still a segment of the Republican Party that says never Trump.  What does your dad do to bring them into the camp?

TRUMP: Listen, I think he has to be himself. He'll always be himself.  And I have to say, listen, he has a great conservative message, one that's attracting new people to the party. That's what I've never understood, was just, you know, why shun away...

HANNITY: That's a great point.

TRUMP: You know, it's not like you're winning. You know, in pure demographics, right, you know, the conservatives are probably outnumbered in a certain way. You know, but if you can bring hundreds of thousands of those into the state of Pennsylvania and all these other states, especially a state like Pennsylvania, where you have a purple state that can...


TRUMP: ... either way -- I mean, all of these states, Ohio, where jobs have been shipped abroad, where all of this -- I mean, his entire message from day one has been about that. It's been about taking care of those people, not taking care of, you know, our enemies and making sure that they're not possibly offended. It's been about creating jobs for Americans in America.

HANNITY: Has he talked to Ted? Will he reach out to Ted Cruz?

TRUMP: I imagine he will. Listen, you know, again, he said it last night.  I thought he was really eloquent in his speech last night (INAUDIBLE) Hey, there's -- I've done a lot of fighting in my life. I've had a lot of...


TRUMP: ... adversaries, and he was as tough as it comes. I mean, my father doesn't say that lightly. He says that with a lot of respect.

You know, again, right now, it's about unity, you know, bringing all of these people together. We'd love to work with everyone there to, you know, achieve this mission. And this mission is, again, to put Americans back to work, to bring jobs back to this country, to create surpluses so we can take care of our children, we can take care of our vets, we can take care of the people that make this country so great...

HANNITY: You're beginning to sound a little like you've got the political bug yourself.

TRUMP: It's hard not to. And you know, it's hard not to because, you know, I can walk down the street when these people come up to me -- and in many cases, in -- you know, the middle part of the country where they're coming up, I mean, in tears.


TRUMP: You know, you say, Wait a minute, you know, if I can be just -- again, I'm just a small cog in the wheel, right? But be a small part of giving that person, you know, letting them achieve this Horatio Alger American dream story again, you know, that dream that's been wiped away...


HANNITY: I've had the same experience. It impacts...


TRUMP: That's why I get it with some of the politicians, right, when -- why it's so hard for them to leave these races, right, because you speak to...


TRUMP: ... you know, 10,000 people a day, and they're your biggest fans and supporters. You know, it's -- you can't even look at...


TRUMP: ... maybe I got to do something a little bit differently. You know, it's very -- it's moving. I mean, it's been -- you know, I'm not always necessarily an emotional guy, but it's pretty special. It's as special as anything I've seen.

HANNITY: Don, Jr., great to see you. I'd shake your hand, but I can't.

All right, we'll take a quick break. We have a lot more coming up.

Hillary Clinton lost badly in Indiana last night, but we'll explain how superdelegates are helping her steal the nomination from Bernie Sanders.  Heather Nauert is here with a full report.

And then later...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you make comments like we're going to put a lot of coal miners out of jobs, these are the kind of people that you're affecting. This is my family.


HANNITY: Hillary Clinton caught in a massive lie about destroying America's coal industry. Now, that coal worker who called her out right to her face will join us coming up later.

That and more tonight on "Hannity."


HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity." So Senator Bernie Sanders scored another major win against Hillary Clinton, beating her last night in Indiana, but thanks to the support of those unelected superdelegates in the Democratic Party -- well, Clinton is way ahead of Sanders.

Now, at the "Hannity" big board tonight with a full report is "Fox & Friends" Heather Nauert -- Heather.

HEATHER NAUERT, "FOX & FRIENDS": Hi, Sean. It's all about the superdelegates for Hillary Clinton as she tries to secure the Democratic nomination. She has all but locked up her spot in the general election thanks in part to all those superdelegates.

So let's take a look at those numbers. Clinton has a huge edge over Sanders, with 522 superdelegates pledging their support to her compared to just 39 who are standing behind Bernie Sanders. And this is where it gets really interesting. If you look at just the pledged delegates, Clinton still leads by more than 300, but the race is a lot closer.

Sean, this issue over superdelegates is something that Sanders and his supporters are very much aware of. Last night, the senator promised to do something about it. Take a listen.


SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, I-VT., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We understand, and I do not deny it for one second, that we have an uphill battle in front of us. But I think we have a path toward victory, although it is a narrow path.

Our goal is twofold. Number one, to win a majority of pledged delegates.  Number two, it is to make sure that in those states where we have won landslide victories -- you know, 65 percent, 70 percent of the votes -- that the superdelegates in those states listen to their constituents and vote the way their constituents voted...


NAUERT: Well, there you go. Sanders also said his campaign will try to flip the superdelegates who've already pledged their support to Hillary Clinton. So Sean, we'll continue to follow this as this develops. A lot going on. Back to you.

HANNITY: All right, Heather, thank you.

And here with reaction, FOX News contributors Doug Schoen, Leslie Marshall, a rare in studio appearance for you. Doug knows it's a rigged system.

DOUG SCHOEN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: It's a rigged system, but Hillary is 3 million votes ahead, 300 elected delegates ahead. The super delegates are the insurance by the Democratic elite.

HANNITY: The insurance.


HANNITY: But, you know what, maybe if people knew it was closer without the super delegates, maybe the race -- if the Bernie Sanders supporters thought they had a chance, they might come out in more force.


HANNITY: More force.

MARSHALL: Look at the numbers that are coming out in support --

HANNITY: Democratic voting is depressed compared to the last two election cycles.

MARSHALL: But he is bringing out people not that are Democrats but that are independents. He's also bringing out youth. He's bringing out --

HANNITY: He's bringing out communists, socialists, redistribution statists. He's bringing them all out.

MARSHALL: No. Look, I agree with you if you want to use the word, "rigged," Republican and Democrat. But everybody in this game knows the rules of this game, Sean.

HANNITY: But wait --

MARSHALL: If they want to get in and change the rules after, fine.

HANNITY: But the Republican Party, and I have criticized their system, it's not rigged like this where the establishment says, here's 600 free delegates.

MARSHALL: But remember the primary is about the party picking the candidate, picking the nominee. And then in the general the people --

HANNITY: Why do people vote if the Democratic Party decides to give all those super delegates to her?

MARSHALL: Because the people have voted. She's, like you said, over 3 million votes ahead.

HANNITY: When they were only literally 150 delegates apart, the Democratic Party add the 450 super delegates she had accumulated, it was not a race anymore. They made sure she'd win.

SCHOEN: Sean, it's an insurance policy. She's going to be the nominee.  And what you're going to see her do is pivot to do what you know the Democrats do best -- vicious attacks on the Republicans. The Republicans have to get together.

HANNITY: Same old strategy.

SCHOEN: It works.

HANNITY: Unconventional year.

SCHOEN: You know it works.

HANNITY: It works historically. I'm not going to disagree. But I don't know -- I think all bets are off this year.

SCHOEN: Well, you could be right, but you're going to see between $1 billion and $2 billion brought on anti-woman, want to gut the budget, all of that.

MARSHALL: Trump is a master of insulting. And this is a woman he is insulting. I can't wait for this. Think about when the woman card came out, she raises more money. She gets more women in her corner.

HANNITY: I tell you what, she's the enabler and her husband is the abuser.

MARSHALL: And her husband's not running, by the way. I know you're shocked.

HANNITY: And she's the enabler, and she helped --

SCHOEN: I tell you what the big question to me is. Can the Republicans all now coalesce and can they let Paul Manafort, a political genius, a man of great sophistication, run a professional campaign? Because you're going to do it amateur hour. Trump is a genius as a communicator, but he is not able to, one, be a one-man band.

HANNITY: If you really watch it, the number of mistakes he's made, he's not on Twitter as much, hasn't made that many mistakes lately.

SCHOEN: I understand. But it's going to take $1 billion to $1.5 billion of coordinated money to give the Democrats --

HANNITY: Trump has enough. He can match it.

SCHOEN: I don't think he will. Think it will be the party.

MARSHALL: It's not just about money with Trump. OK? Trump needs to change his tune because the primary is not a general election. This is a very different position --

HANNITY: He really needs to take your advice, Leslie. I'll make sure he hears about it.


HANNITY: All right, we got to break. Good to see you both.

SCHOEN: Good to see you.

HANNITY: And coming up, Hillary Clinton caught in a bold-face lie about her plan to kill the coal industry. Remember that coal worker who confronted Hillary about that? He will join us next.

Then later, now that Donald Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee, what does he need to do to unite the party around his campaign? The legendary former head coach of Notre Dame football Lou Holtz will be here to weigh in. That and more tonight on "Hannity."


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So the West Virginia primaries are less than a week away, and Hillary Clinton is in hot water after being confronted about her anti-coal sentiments by a mountain state resident who lost a job in the struggling West Virginia coal industry. Watch this.


BO COPLEY, LAID-OFF COAL WORKER: When you make comments like we're going to put a lot of coal miners out of jobs, these are the kind of people that you're affecting. This is my family. It's my hope, my future. I just want to know how you can say you're going to put a lot of coal miners out of jobs then come in here and tell us how you're going to be our friend?  Because those people out there don't see you as a friend.

HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I know that, Bo. And, you know, I don't know how to explain it other than what I said was totally out of context from what I meant, because I have been talking about helping coal country for a very long time.


HANNITY: All right. So were those words of hers taken out of context?  Well, here's what she said back in March. Take a look.


CLINTON: I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean, renewable energy as the key into coal country, because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business. Those people labored in those mines for generations losing their health, often losing their lives, to turn on our lights and power our factories. Now we got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels.


HANNITY: Oh, put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of work, out of business.

Joining us now is the laid-off coal worker who confronted Hillary Clinton, Bo Copley is with us. Sir, thank you for being with us, appreciate it.  She lied to you, right to your face, when she said that, didn't she?

COPLEY: It would seem so, or at least the way I took it, it was. But, you know, she did say that she's trying to bring clean energy into the coalfields. But the tone that she had when she said we're going to put a lot of coal miners and --

HANNITY: Companies out of business.

COPLEY: And co-operations out of work, really, yes, it just seemed like it was a lot of joy in her voice when she said it.

HANNITY: I think she's serious about it, but I think it goes deeper when it comes to energy. I mean, we have more natural gas, we have more coal, we have more energy, oil, reserves that we don't use and we're importing it. It's the lifeblood of our economy and we're importing all of this from countries oftentimes that just hate our guts. But this is your life's work. This is your business. And you said, how can you come here and act like you're our friend? Go into more detail how this would impact you.

COPLEY: Well, it's -- no one likes to have someone say they're going to take away your livelihood and then come in and turn around and say that's not what I meant. We don't have many other opportunities in our area. If that's your intention, you know, eventually coal may play out on down the line. We have plenty of reserves left, but, again, it's not a renewable energy. But we should be able to use what we have right now until something better comes along. And under current EPA guidelines, we just can't do it, and we have nothing else to turn to.

HANNITY: How long have you been working in the coal industry?

COPLEY: I worked in the coal mining industry for 11 years.

HANNITY: OK. And by the way, tough work? Black lung has been a huge problem over the years. Have they done anything to help the miners out?

COPLEY: A lot of companies focus on safety now more than they used to. I know that Arch Coal, who I worked for, one of their biggest -- matter of fact, their number one goal every day was work safe.

HANNITY: Let me play Donald Trump's comments responding to this and get your take on it.


TRUMP: We're not going to be Hillary Clinton, and I watched her three or four weeks ago when she was talking about the miners as if they were just numbers, and she was talking about she wants the mines closed and she will never let them work again. Let me tell you, the miners in West Virginia and Pennsylvania, which was so great to me last week, Ohio and all over, they're going to start to work again.  Believe me. You're going to be proud again to be miners.



HANNITY: When you compare the two statements, does this impact you politically?

COPLEY: Well, no doubt what he said resonates with me. It resonates with the people where I'm from. But, again, I always let God guide me into the right direction on these decisions, and that's what I have to do is I pray and ask God to lead me in the right direction, because although it is a top priority for our region, it's not the only priority for me. So there are other policies that we have to look at. But honestly, I've never had anyone be so -- so many people so concerned over my political views before.  So this is -- this is all kind of new to me.

HANNITY: Well, I totally understand that. And you should have a right to continue in your industry, and somebody just so cavalierly talking about shutting it down, oh, that's your mortgage, that's your car payment, that's food on your table. I don't think -- that doesn't sound like she's caring a lot about people. But Bo, I wish you and your family and your fellow miners all the best. Thanks for being with us.

COPLEY: Thanks for having me, Sean.

HANNITY: Pretty gutsy thing to do.

And coming up, now that Donald Trump is the presumptive GOP nominee, it's time for Republicans to unite behind him. How will he do it? Legendary college football coach Lou Holtz will be here next with reaction along with A.J. Delgado as we continue.  


GOV. JOHN KASICH, R-OHIO: And as I suspend my campaign today. I have renewed faith, deeper faith, that the Lord will show me the way forward and fulfill the purpose of my life.  


HANNITY: And then there was one. That was Ohio Governor John Kasich earlier today announcing that he is dropping out of the GOP race for president.

So, how can Donald Trump now unify the party? Here with reaction, our former legendary Notre Dame coach, of course fried, Lou Holtz and conservative columnist, A.J. Delgado. Coach, you stepped out in Indiana.  You and Bobby Knight, probably the two biggest coaching names ever, supported Donald Trump. Some people are still angry over the primary. How -- you bring people together. You did bring teammates together. How would Trump bring a team together and bring this team together?

LOU HOLTZ, FORMER NOTRE DAME FOOTBALL COACH: What brings team together is a common cause. Look at the economy, for example. You look at the fact we have more people on welfare, more people in poverty, more people on food stamps, less people working in the last 40 years. And yet we have a tremendous debt, and these variety of things. This cannot keep happening.  In order for that to change we have to come together. We have no alternative in it.

HANNITY: We really don't. Hillary Clinton is not a good alternative.  That is a third Obama term. A.J., if you talked to Donald Trump, what would you say to him?

A.J. DELGADO, CONSERVATIVE COLUMNIST: Just keep spreading your positive message. When you look at it, and GOP will all see this, we have the most remarkable candidate we've had since Reagan. Whether it's on jobs, on trade, or on immigration, it's really amazing how much he's standing up for the American people. And the voters across the GOP will see this.

The alternative is Hillary Clinton, someone who had disastrous foreign policy, someone who is already talking about restricting our Second Amendment rights, and someone who will fill up the Supreme Court with her fellow leftist radicals. So the choice is clear and that choice will be Donald Trump.

HANNITY: Are the things, coach, that maybe could help Donald Trump reassure people, because he doesn't have the political experience of some of these guys, a contract with America, something like that, bringing in some rivals as part of the team, especially successful governors, maybe Senator Rubio, Senator Cruz, and say, hey, listen, bygones be bygones, let's all unite, defeat Hillary, and save the country which is now in a rapid decline.

HOLTZ: This is what I would say to the political establishment. I'd say, how did this happen? It came about because we're in trouble. We finally got control of the House. And that didn't change. Then, we got control of the House and Senate. That still doesn't change. The reason is that we have 17 of the best candidates possible. They weren't elected. Why?  Because the people are just tired. They're tired of political correctness.  They're tired of the economy. They're tired of immigration. We can go on and on. So understand, this happened because of what you've done. We've got to come together to change it or none of us are going to have a job.

HANNITY: That is exactly my opening memo that I had on the program tonight. My opening thoughts that Republicans caused this, they created the insurgency, and now they don't know how to handle it.

A.J., do you think the establishment, as I have thought all along, they hate the way the voters have voted here? And I think there is going to be some that try and sabotage Donald Trump, and they would have sabotaged Ted Cruz if he was the nominee?

DELGADO: There will be some, of course, but I have faith that most of the establishment, they are patriots at the end of the day who do want the best for the country. So I know they will come around and join --

HANNITY: These people have been weak, timid, feckless, visionless. You know, the very reasons, as Coach Holtz points out, that they were elected, they didn't have the backbone to fight for those things, stop Obama's agenda, adding record trillions to the debt. Republicans helped do that.

DELGADO: Right, well, that is the disease and Donald Trump is the cure.  And let's hope they're willing to see the flaws in themselves and join this new movement that we have going just as Mr. Holtz pointed out. It's time to come together and fix these issues.

HANNITY: Coach, you should have taken my advice. You could have been in Washington. I told you to run. You didn't listen to me, coach.

HOLTZ: Yes. I thought you were my friend. Whenever we are, good or bad, it's because of the choices we make. Let's just hope that the people in this country make a good choice this fall.

HANNITY: Let's hope so. Hillary Clinton is a third Obama term, make no mistake about it. Guys, good to see you, appreciate it.

And coming up, we need your help. A very, very important question of the day that maybe Donald Trump will pay attention to straight ahead.


HANNITY: All right, time for our "Question of the Day." So who do you think Donald Trump should pick to be his running mate? Just go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter. Hannity.com, I have a poll up on my website. Let us know what you think. Unfortunately, that is all the time we have left this evening. As always, thank you for being with us. We'll see you back here tomorrow night.

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