Exclusive: Carly Fiorina speaks out on joining Cruz ticket

Texas senator's running mate explains the move and what it means for the GOP race on 'The Kelly File'


This is a rush transcript from "The Kelly File," April 27, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MEGYN KELLY, HOST, "THE KELLY FILE":  Breaking tonight.  Senator Ted Cruz of Texas may be facing his very own Alamo, as he and Donald Trump go all in over a prize that could finally decide who is the Republican nominee for president.  

Welcome to THE KELLY FILE, everyone.  I'm Megyn Kelly.  The Cruz campaign firing up supporters in Indiana today with a big announcement, confirming that Senator Cruz has picked Carly Fiorina as his choice for a running mate.   


CARLY FIORINA, R-FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  Today I am very proud and very humbled and honored to announce that I have accepted Senator Ted Cruz's offer to be his vice president for the Republican nomination.  



KELLY:  Miss Fiorina will be joining us later this hour for her very first prime-time interview since the announcement today.  And the stakes for her team could not be any higher.  Trump is holding a slight lead in the Real Clear politics average of all polls from the state of Indiana.  And if Cruz does not win the 57 delegates up for grabs in less than a week there, the political analysts are saying Donald Trump will effectively become the Republican nominee for president.  

We're speaking tonight with former Romney campaign strategist Stuart Stevens and Trump adviser Senator Jeff Sessions.  And we'll go live as well to Indiana and hear right from the voters when pollster Frank Luntz joins us with his focus group live.  There they are.  

But first, let's speak with the man behind the Alamo analogy who is Tom Bevan, co-founder and publisher of  

Tom, good to see you.  Why do you say that?  Explain the stakes for Cruz in Indiana.  

TOM BEVAN, REALCLEARPOLITICS.COM CO-FOUNDER AND PUBLISHER:  Well, he was mathematically eliminated last night, Megyn.  I mean, this is it.  

KELLY:  Meaning he can't get to 1237 just by voters prior to June 7th.   

BEVAN:  Correct.  And so really if you do the math and you look at the contest from here on out, the only realistic chance of stopping Donald Trump from getting to that 1237 number is Cruz winning in Indiana next Tuesday.  And he's within striking distance but even that might not be enough.  Depending on how the rest of the contest place out.  But it all starts next week.  If Cruz cannot beat Trump in Indiana, it's going to be over.  I think Trump will easily get to 1237.   

KELLY:  How does Indiana decided the votes?  I mean, is it winner take all? Is it?  How does it work?

BEVAN:  It's three per Congressional districts, nine districts so 27 that way.  And also then 30 for the winner whoever wins statewide.  So, it's really important that Ted Cruz wins statewide and he wins as many Congressional districts as he can and takes the lion's share of those votes if not sweeps them all.  I mean, that's obviously the best case scenario for him.   

KELLY:  He's doing everything he can.  He has this alliance with Kasich in which Kasich basically pulled out all of his resources out of Indiana and left it to Cruz and Trump.  How does he look there, Cruz, right now? Because last poll showed Trump up I think eight points in Indiana.  

BEVAN:  Yes.  I mean, Fox news poll that came out, we had three points that came out in the middle of last week, and they had Trump on average up six points, 39 to 33.  And we're dying for some new numbers to see because this pact was announced on Sunday.  So we don't know.  In that Fox News poll, interestingly, though, they did -- you guys did a matchup just Trump against Cruz without Kasich.  And that was two points, it was 46-44.  One of the other problems, Megyn, is that people have been able to early vote in Indiana since the beginning of the first week of the month.  And more than 140,000 votes have been cast, about 68 percent of those are Republican.  And a lot of those folks or at least some of the folks have already cast their vote for John Kasich.  And so if this race comes down to a few thousand votes that could end up being a deciding factor.   

KELLY:  You know, obviously Trump has the momentum, you know, with his five-state sweep last night and New York State the week before.  But a lot of people say that Indiana is more tailor made for Cruz than it is tailor made Trump.  What say you?

BEVAN:  I say it's pretty evenly divided.  I mean, certainly without question it is better suited for Ted Cruz than any of the states that he's had since Wisconsin.  But even then, though, you know, Trump is splitting evangelicals in the state.  Cruz is winning among the more conservative self-identified more conservative voters.  But it's neck in neck there I think.  And again, momentum and context matters and so we'll see if we get some new numbers hopefully in the next 24, 48 hours how that plays into, you know, where this thing is headed next Tuesday.  

KELLY:  Uh-hm.  You've got to check out  It is like numbers, numbers.  They put the numbers together and explain them.  Great to see you, Tom.   

BEVAN:  Thanks, Megyn.   

KELLY:  Joining me now with more, Stuart Stevens, former Mitt Romney campaign strategist and author of the upcoming book, "The Innocent Have Nothing To Fear."  Stuart, good to see you.  


KELLY:  I mean, it is -- Indiana is a make or break state for Ted Cruz.  He cannot lose there, correct?

STEVENS:  I agree with that.  I think psychologically it's important numerically it's important.  And you put them together and, you know, it's the big enchilada for him.   

KELLY:  So, if this, if you understand that.  If the Never Trump movement understands that, and they are also motivated, what did they do to make Indiana like Wisconsin but it doesn't have the talk radio to sort of make those inroads.  They don't have a governor yet who is endorsing Cruz.  How do they make Indiana look like Wisconsin?

STEVENS:  You know, I think the question that I would try to pose is who can best represent the values of Indiana?  Who is someone you would vote for if they were running for governor of the state of Indiana?  And to me, that matchup is something that Ted Cruz wins.  I mean, he's just someone you could see more likely to win a Republican primary for governor in the state of Indiana than Donald Trump.  I would try to localize it to bring it back to who would make you most proud to represent our state?  

KELLY:  Uh-hm.

STEVENS:  That, to me, I think is something that when it exists in these races Donald Trump doesn't do as well in certain states.  When it doesn't, when it's missing, it seems to play to his favor.  It wasn't there in South Carolina.  It was there in Iowa.  You look at these states that just voted yesterday.  These are states that you could pretty well imagine Donald Trump getting elected governor in pretty easily.  I think that's less true for Indiana.  But conversely, if he pulls out a win, if Trump can win in Indiana, I think it will be significant.  

KELLY:  What do you make of the Trump we've been seeing over the past few days?  Because originally the reports where Trump was going to be more presidential.  And then, you know, it was kind of like, hmm, I don't want to.  I want to just be me.  It's worked for me so far.  And then last night he took a shot at Hillary Clinton suggesting if she were a man she'd have five percent in the polls which has caused some controversy.  

STEVENS:  Right.  Well, I think we should step out of politics and look at our experience in life.  If all of us had a friend who was marrying a 69- year-old man and there were a lot of things you didn't like about him but he said he was going to change, I think our advice to that person would be, you better like what you're getting because the odds that someone at 69 years old is going to change is not great.  Donald Trump is not going to change.  He is who he is.  You have to like what you're getting.  And just the idea that you can get different advisers that can help him tactically. I think Paul Manafort has helped that campaign tremendously.   

KELLY:  It appears to have been pushed off a little to the side.   

STEVENS:  Well, you know, campaign struggles.  You have one culture that's existed inside that campaign.   

KELLY:  But he was the one who was trying to sort of get Trump in line, like this, you can do this thing, and then Trump or, you know, the campaign just said, you know, that's not going to work for us.  We're going to do what we've been doing.  Those are the reports.   

STEVENS:  Here's the push and the pull.  They say, we've been successful because we're winning the Republican primary.  That's true.  You are winning a Republican primary.  But you're getting crushed in a general election with the highest negatives recorded since we've started tracking these things.  That's not success.  

KELLY:  You know, Brit Hume once told me that when you get older your give a blank meter just changes.  


KELLY:  He didn't say blank, but you can fill it in.  It just changes.  And you can get more honest and you just -- anyway, Stuart, great to see you.   

STEVENS:  Good to see you.   

KELLY:  Joining us with his thoughts on that, Republican Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama who is chair of the Trump National Security Advisory Team.  Great to see you, Senator.  

So, let's just start with Stuart's last point because I actually just looked into that.  It is true that Trump has the highest negatives for a GOP front-runner since the beginning of tracking, since they started tracking that kind of thing back in the '70s.  So does he need to do something a little different at this point?

SEN. JEFF SESSIONS, R-ALA., CHAIR, TRUMP NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISORY TEAM:  Well, you know, he's been himself.  He's been Frank.  And his vote totals continue to rise.  He's had tremendous victories carrying every county in five states.  I don't think I've seen something like that in many years in this kind of contested environment --    

KELLY:  But Stuart's point is -- the Republican he's killing it.  But you have to look at the general at this point.   

SESSIONS:  Well, he's been subjected to this incredible negative advertising for months and months and months and it's really not working. He is getting stronger.  And I think he'll continue to get stronger.  And as more people realize what he's doing, he's defending American working people, he's going to fix and fight back against unfair trade policies, he's going to make sure we have a foreign policy that serves the national interest, he's going to end illegal immigration.  He's going to fix this border.  

And he's going to protect American jobs.  That's what people have been asking for.  That's the kind of leadership they want.  That's what the Republican establishment had refused to give.  

KELLY:  Uh-hm.

SESSIONS:  And so this next election is going to be a big deal, and Indiana people are going to vote.  Not politicians.  Not the establishment.  They're going to decide who wins Indiana and who becomes the next president.  It's going to be the American people.  He's doing pretty well right now.   

KELLY:  Trump had a big night here in the northeast last night, a five- state sweep with big margins.  And today Ted Cruz who is not a dumb man. Everyone can agree Ted Cruz is smart, announced a running mate.  Now, he doesn't have the nomination yet but he announced the running mate Carly Fiorina who is going to be here with us exclusively here in a moment.  What do you make of that move and the selection of Carly Fiorina?

SESSIONS:  Well, I think it's a very unusual and surprising, but I guess when you're behind and you're facing a critical election like Indiana and you've got to maneuver with Kasich to try to beat Trump and block the people's choice so far, then this is -- he's going to make a try.  Maybe it's a desperate move.  Maybe it will work.  It will be decided by the people of Indiana.   

KELLY:  What do you think of her though?  I mean, you know, it neutralizes-- I'm guessing the thinking is she helps neutralize the gender history that would be made on the other side.   

SESSIONS:  You know, Megyn, I don't know how to figure all of that.  People have their own perspectives.  I would just say that right now it does appear Trump is doing well in Indiana.  It will be a big election coming up next week.  And we'll see how it comes out.  

KELLY:  Uh-hm.  Senator, great to see you.  Thanks for being here.   

SESSIONS:  Thank you.   

KELLY:  So the folks that could decide it all, as you may have gathered, are the voters in Indiana.  

And up next, we will go live to Indianapolis where Frank Luntz will poll those voters.  There they are!  On what they're going to do next Tuesday.  

Plus, new reports suggest that Senator Marco Rubio may play a surprise role before this is all done.  And Dana Perino and Chris Stirewalt are here on that.   

And then Carly Fiorina was the big story today.  There she is live, and we'll have her in moments for a prime-time exclusive.  Stay tuned.  


SEN. TED CRUZ, R-TEXAS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  She is someone you can be confident in if the occasion should arise to be commander-in-chief and keep this country safe.  



KELLY:  Breaking tonight.  In just the last 24 hours, we have seen reports that the Cruz and Trump campaigns along with various political action groups have committed to spending more than $4 million on political advertising just this week in Indiana.  The vote's on Tuesday.  And you can bet that number is going to grow.  Tonight we're going live to a special Frank Luntz focus group to hear what the voters in Indiana think about these candidates and the critical role that now falls to them.  Frank, take it away.  

FRANK LUNTZ, POLLSTER:  Megyn, they're excited to be here and they're excited to be the decision makers.  First question for you all, you're aware obviously of the Kasich/Cruz compact, correct?  By a show of hands, how many of you are bothered by it?  That's an awful lot of people.  What's the problem?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  It's backroom deals.  They don't really care about what's going on with us, the voters.  

LUNTZ:  But isn't it just like what politicians do to help themselves get elected?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  And that's why we don't want them.   

LUNTZ:  You have a problem with it, Jessica?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  They really, if they were going to do this, they should have done it a long time ago.  If they were really going to stop him, it's way past time to do that.   

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  It looks desperate.   

LUNTZ:  It looks desperate.  How does it look desperate?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Again, if they were going to do this, they should have done it a long time ago.  Now it looks like they're just grasping at straws.   

LUNTZ:  In the back?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  We're supposed to be the Republican Party and these two people on the guy's team are coding against him to knock him out?  What's with that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Including against the will of the voters, in my opinion.   

LUNTZ:  That's pretty strong.  Do you think they don't care about you?  Do you think these candidates care about you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  No.  They care about themselves.  

LUNTZ:  But they've been campaigning and they've been spending money and they've been engaged and they all were here today.  And you don't think they care about you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  You have to take out of consideration what these men have done in the past from their time fighting for the constitution, fighting against ObamaCare, fighting against amnesty.  You have to negate all of that to say they don't care about us.  They took on the entire Washington establishment for us.  For the last several years.  

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  But if everyone is fighting and fighting and fighting, then we find that nothing gets done.  So, you know, that's one of my fears, that if we get someone in there that cannot get along with anyone, then we're going to end up with the dysfunction that we have right now.   

LUNTZ:  And who do you fear the most that can't get along?



LUNTZ:  Go ahead.   

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Yes.  Donald Trump knows how to make a deal, and he's talked about compromise.  And that's just the way you have to do it.  We've watched Cruz do nothing.  We've watched Kasich side with the establishment. We want someone to represent us.  And Trump will do it.  

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Kasich was in the Bill Clinton White House.  I mean, he -- gosh.  He --  

LUNTZ:  As a member of Congress --  

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  As a member of Congress, he balanced a budget under Bill Clinton.  They were in a $5 billion surplus.  That's something that Cruz has not done.  He has not worked with Obama.  In Ohio as governor, he has dropped unemployment.   

LUNTZ:  Okay.  We're not doing a campaign commercial here.  Parker, how old are you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I'm 19 years old.   

LUNTZ:  You're 19.  This is your first vote.   


LUNTZ:  Who are you going to cast it for?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I'm for Ted Cruz.   

LUNTZ:  Why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Because I feel like he's the most consistently conservative candidate out of the whole group.   

LUNTZ:  So yours is just ideology.   


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  He is the only constitutional conservative running.   

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  You shouldn't go with anyone else.   

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  He is the only constitutional conservative running.   

LUNTZ:  So, I have to ask, a whole group of you, all of you, who have changed your minds in the last two weeks?  Because that tells us where things are going.  What did you go from?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I switched from Kasich being my number one to probably leaning Trump because Kasich decided not do come to any campaign as if we're not important.  Him and Cruz have combined together for each other's benefit, and not for ours.   

LUNTZ:  But he did that for you to support Cruz here.  

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I was not going to support Cruz as my first choice to start with.   

LUNTZ:  Who else switched?  Why would you switch?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I switched from Kasich to Trump because Kasich/Cruz have proven they can't win a national election.   

LUNTZ:  Who else switched?  Why did you switch?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I switched because Cruz doesn't tell it like it is.  I think he's lying to me when he's talking to me.  That's how I feel as a person and a voter.   

LUNTZ:  So when Donald Trump uses the phrase "lying Ted" --  

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I believe it.  

LUNTZ:  You believe it.  

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I believe it.  

LUNTZ:  That doesn't bother you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  What has Ted Cruz lied about again?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Well, let's start with Iowa when he told everybody all of the Ben supporters that he's going home to Florida and then he ends up winning Iowa, he has never apologized for that.  I mean, come on.  No, he hasn't! No, he hasn't!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Was there proof that he --  

LUNTZ:  Okay.  Hold on, hold on, hold on!  

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Was there proof --  

LUNTZ:  This is Indiana.  Indiana is respectful, right?  

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  That's right. Use your values.  There was never proof that he had any fault in that.  

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  It came from his campaign.  And if he's a leader, he has got to take responsibility.  The buck stops with the leader.  

LUNTZ:  Do you guys agree with that?  Go ahead.   

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Here's the thing.  He did apologize.  If you watched the debates -- if you watched the debates --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  No, he didn't.   

LUNTZ:  In the back, I don't want to have this battle over Iowa because we're here in Indiana.  But I want to make this point, Megyn, which is that even though we are moving towards the final decision of who is going to be the nominee that they are more divided than in most focus groups I have done.  That there is more animosity and I'm wondering whether these people are going to come together.  Are you going to support the nominee?


LUNTZ:  You are.  


LUNTZ:  There's no issue there?


LUNTZ:  Who's the most electable of the three?  Which one is more likely to defeat Hillary Clinton?

FOCUS GROUP:  Donald Trump.   

LUNTZ:  How many of you say Trump?  Now, you know that Trump is not doing as well in the polls as either Cruz or Kasich.  So why do you think Trump is most likely to win?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  I think that the media has sabotaged Trump.  I think that they've ran lots of negative ads on him and they've made him into something that he really isn't.  He's not establishment.  That's what I like about him.  

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Partly going along with what she said, I went to a rally with Trump in Ohio.  And they talked about all of the, you know, the protesters there, it was very respectful.  I sat with all professional people.  I also went to the Greta show tonight.  All professional people.  And I went to the rally last Wednesday.  And again, it was all professional and it was young, old, Black, White.  But the media is portraying a certain type of, you know, blue collar, you know, uneducated voter that goes to the Trump rallies.  And that's not the case.   

LUNTZ:  Okay.  So, how many of you think the media is against Trump?  So, on that we all agree.  

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  No.  No.  I disagree.  I firmly disagree.  

LUNTZ:  You disagree.  Okay.  Go ahead.  

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Well, certainly Fox News, I think gives him more time than any other candidate.   


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  That is ratings.   

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Well, yes, he's good TV.   

LUNTZ:  That is what it is.  It's all about ratings.  

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  The reason Trump can do it, Trump is the toughest guy. That's why he can beat Hillary.  He's the toughest of the candidates.  Ted Cruz is a nice guy, but we don't need any more nice guys in the White House.  We need a tough guy in the White House, somebody that is not afraid to say what they think.   

LUNTZ:  Go ahead, Angela.   

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Trump is winning and I think the main thing is, how can we expect Kasich and Cruz to win when they can't even beat Trump? They have to beat the primaries.  How can they beat Hillary?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  There are numerous polls and numerous conservative pundits out there that have said that Hillary will beat Trump.  And there's--  

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  One of the things that we believe here in Indiana is in Hoosier values and Hoosier hospitality.  At the end of the day we're all going to walk out of this room and we've got to decide what we're going to do with ourselves, whether we'll going to walk out as friends or enemies.  
We're fighting against the same people.  That's why I love Cruz.  He recognizes that.  


LUNTZ:  Okay.  So Carly Fiorina is coming up.  


LUNTZ:  I want a one-word phrase to describe her.   

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Inexperienced.   



UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Irrelevant.   

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Accomplished.   



UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Outsourcer.   


LUNTZ:  Who's got a favorable impression of her?  So, most of you.  Would you like her to be the VP?





LUNTZ:  How many of you would like her to be the VP?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Absolutely.   

LUNTZ:  Tell me why very quickly.   

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  I think she's a consistent conservative and I think she's a fighter and I think she will be able to take down a lot of Hillary Clinton's attacks as well as Donald Trump's attacks.   

LUNTZ:  And Rebecca?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  I like her because it seemed like she really had her finger on what was going on in the Middle East whenever they brought up any kind of -- any talking points she knew what was going on.   

LUNTZ:  Final question, how many of you believe that the Republican nominee is going to be defeat Hillary Clinton in the fall?  Raise your hands.  And who believes Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president.  So, clearly most of you aren't reading the polls today.  


Megyn, it's a tough group.  It's a tough time here.  They know that it matters and emotions are pretty high.  But I like what Seth said right there, which is I do believe that when this is done they're going to walk out friends, they're going to walk out allies and they're going to back whoever the nominee is.   

KELLY:  Good for them.  

LUNTZ:  Back to you.

KELLY:  Responsible citizens.  They've got a lot to weigh.  Thank you all so much.  And Frank, thank you, too.  

Well, breaking tonight, she is the first vice presidential pick of 2016. You can hear the voters in Indiana love Carly Fiorina.  And she will be here right after this break, live on "The Kelly File."    

Plus, new fallout tonight after Donald Trump goes after Hillary Clinton. We'll show you what has happened after this.  


DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  Frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think she'd get five percent of the vote.  


ANNOUNCER:  From the World Headquarters of Fox News, it's "The Kelly File" with Megyn Kelly.   

KELLY:  And breaking tonight, the first vice presidential pick for 2016 has been called.  Today Senator Ted Cruz announced that he will now share his ticket with the former GOP candidate Carly Fiorina.  Cruz made the big reveal this afternoon to cheers and applause from his Indianapolis supporters.  But it was Carly Fiorina who stole the show, rounding out the event with a widely praised acceptance speech.  Her message?  Watch.  


CARLY FIORINA, R-FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  This, this is the fight of our time.  And I believe Ted Cruz is the man to lead that fight.  And I am prepared to stand by his side and give this everything I have to restore the soul of our party, to defeat Donald Trump, to defeat Hillary Clinton, and to take our country back.    



KELLY:  Joining me now, Republican vice presidential candidate and the first vice presidential pick of 2016, Carly Fiorina.  Carly, great to see you again.  

FIORINA:  Thanks for being with me.  

KELLY:  You know this is odd because Cruz doesn't yet have the nomination. And as you pointed out earlier, this whole election has been odd.  But what do you say to those like Trump who say it was a desperation play by Senator Cruz?  

FIORINA:  Well, of course Donald Trump would say that.  Donald Trump has been trying to say that Ted Cruz should get out of the race for a very long time.  The only thing is Donald Trump hasn't won this nomination yet, despite so many people in the media just wishing it would all be over and he would be our nominee.  But as I said in my speech, I do think this is about the soul of our party and the future of our nation.  Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are virtually indistinguishable in their positions.  They are virtually indistinguishable in the fact that they have always been insiders to this corrupt system of crony capitalism and selling access and influence.  And he cannot be our nominee.  And if he were to be our nominee, Hillary Clinton would be our president.  And that is a future that I'm not prepared to lay by and allow to have happen.  

KELLY:  You know that the polls show, including last night, that some 70 percent of voters in these states say the one who goes into that convention with the most votes and the most delegates should be the nominee even if he doesn't have a majority.  What are they missing?  

FIORINA:  Well, first of all, I would say that a majority of Republican voters don't want Donald Trump to be their nominee.  And 1,237 delegates represent the majority of the delegates in that convention.  So if you can't win 1,237 delegates, then you don't have the majority of your party and you can't win.  Of course, as for John Kasich, you can't lose 49 out of 50 times and win.  But Ted Cruz has beaten Donald Trump many times.  Donald Trump had a good night last night, absolutely.  He had a good night the week before, absolutely.  But this isn't over until someone reaches 1,237. And Donald Trump hasn't and, no, close doesn't count.  And I believe Ted Cruz will be our nominee.  

KELLY:  How can he be the nominee when the party isn't coalescing behind him either?  You look at the numbers here in the northeast primaries last night.  He failed to break 25 percent in these states.  So his critics say even if they don't love Trump, Cruz isn't getting the party either.  

FIORINA:  Well, you know, actually, the party is unifying behind Cruz if you look at the endorsements that he has received.  I think there will be more endorsements coming.  I mean, if you have the endorsements of everyone from Mike Lee and Scott Walker to Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham, that's a pretty broad spectrum of the Republican Party.  What is also true is the majority of Republican voters don't want Donald Trump as their nominee.  

And the thing is, Donald Trump tends to win in open primaries, but he tends to lose in closed primaries.  And I thought it was Republicans' job to elect our nominee.  I think the point of today's announcement is to make crystal clear what the choice is.  On the one hand you have Cruz and Fiorina, two proven conservatives, two proven fighters who actually know what this fight is about, our jobs, our prosperity, the possibilities and potential of our nation, our liberties and our security.  On the other hand, you have Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, who are two sides of the same coin, who are the ultimate insiders, who have played this game all their lives.  And I think what Hoosier values means is that people understand that someone's character is revealed in the pattern of their life, not in what they tend to say behind a podium when they're looking for a job.  Hillary Clinton says whatever she has to say to get elected, so does Donald Trump.  The pattern of his life reveals who he actually is.  

KELLY:  What do you make of he's being in hot water in some circles for suggesting that Hillary Clinton would be at 5 percent in the polls, if she were a man.  You were famously on the receiving end of a comment Donald Trump made.  

FIORINA:  As were you.  As for you.

KELLY:  Both of which got him in some trouble, you could make the argument, in the polls and with some voters.  So what do you make of that comment today -- last night that he made about Hillary.  

FIORINA:  Well, you know, I think that Donald Trump honestly has trouble with strong people who stand up to him, whether they are men or women.  And I mentioned that the character -- someone's character is revealed in the pattern of their life.  So, I, for example, think that when we had a terrorist attack in Brussels and Donald Trump immediately pivoted to attacking Heidi Cruz, that reveals his character.  And he cannot be our nominee.  

KELLY:  Now, the drudge report tonight is raising questions about you that I want to ask about.  They point out that in June of last year, a Ted Cruz affiliated Super PAC gave your Super PAC $500,000 at a time when you were at 2 percent in the polls.  Do you know why that happened?  They're suggesting something strange was going on there.  

FIORINA:  Well, you know, the last time I looked what Super PACs do, they're not coordinating with candidates by law, and most Super PACs give to a variety of like-minded candidates.  I think there's been no doubt to anyone who's been watching this race for a long time that Ted Cruz and I are like-minded.  We agree on virtually every position.  We are both conservatives.  We are both fighters who have challenged the system.  So I don't find it particularly unusual, but I don't know the particulars of it.  

KELLY:  I'll ask you the last thing.  Of course you, ripped on Ted Cruz in the primary season, as -- I hate to make a big deal about it always happens, that the candidates rip each other to the shreds and then say, welcome to the ticket.  Do you want to take any of that back, that he's too divisive to be president, maybe there was a legitimate question about his Canadian citizenship?  I'll give you the last word on it.  

FIORINA:  Well, first of all, I think it's an exaggeration to say I will rip him to shreds.  Secondly, you're right.


FIORINA:  In the heat of a basketball game, you make some fouls.  But here's what I would say.  I've been with Ted Cruz for the past seven weeks. I've come to know him well.  What I've come to know is a man who is who he says he is.  He actually believes what he says.  He has practiced what he says.  He has convictions and principles and values that have been consistent throughout his life.  That is not true of Donald Trump.  And it is not true of Hillary Clinton.  And what I see based on the people who get on that bus with us is a guy who unifies people.  He also happens to be a fair amount of fun.  So what I am proud to say tonight is that I'm proud to stand with him in a fight which I think is all about actually the nation and not about Cruz, or Fiorina, or Trump, or Hillary Clinton for that matter.  It's about what works.  And what we know doesn't work is crony capitalism, a corrupt system, and the wealthy, the powerful, and the well- connected who use that system to get ahead.  And that defines Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.  

KELLY:  Carly Fiorina, great to see you again.  

FIORINA:  Thanks, Megyn.  

KELLY:  All the best.  

Coming up, Senator Marco Rubio says Donald Trump has his backing if the GOP front-runner secures the nomination.  And where else might that alliance go?  A bespectacled Chris Stirewalt and Dana Perino join us next on that.  


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Mr. Trump, yes or no?  

MARCO RUBIO, R-FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  I'm with Donald if he's the nominee, let me tell you why.  Because the Democrats have two people left in the race.  One is a socialist.  America doesn't want to be a socialist country.  And the other one is under FBI investigation.  



KELLY:  Moments ago you heard from Carly Fiorina on her decision to join Ted Cruz's campaign for president.  Now, questions are being raised about another former presidential candidate, Senator Marco Rubio and where his support now stands.  The Senator sparking intrigue, intrigue I tell you, after these remarks about Donald Trump.  


RUBIO:  Look, let's not divide the party, have someone here who has all these votes, very close to 1237, let's not ignore the will of the people or they're going to be angry.  

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  If indeed it is Donald Trump, will you support him in.  

RUBIO:  Yeah, I've always said I'm going to support the Republican nominee. That's especially true now that it is apparent that Hillary Clinton is going to be the Democratic candidate.  


KELLY:  Joining me now, Chris Stirewalt, Fox News digital politics editor, and Dana Perino, former White House press secretary under President George W. Bush and co-host of The Five.  Well, that was a ringing endorsement. That's the thing, the Rubio sound bite we just listened to, he sounds more enthusiastic than he has, Chris, more enthusiastic than he has.  Last time it was like, it gets harder every day.  

CHRIS STIREWALT, FOX NEWS DIGITAL POLITICS EDITOR:  You're saying he was more enthusiastic than when he was making fun of Trump's anatomy.  

KELLY:  Even thereafter.  

STIREWALT:  I know, but that's setting a low threshold.  I think Rubio is probably representative of what you'll see in a Republican Party, for about a third, I think you'll have a third totally to the tune of Trump, dela Trump, dela Trump Trump Trump, and then you have a third that's anti-Trump or a third who will make -- they will withhold their endorsements on the never Trump votes.  Then I think you'll have another third roughly speaking in the middle that will take a position like that, which says I comply, I welcome our insect overlords, and let's talk about how bad Hillary Clinton is.  

KELLY:  Marc Thiessen said, will you vote for Donald Trump?  Because he hasn't been a big fan.  He said, like I like to say, I'll walk off that bridge when I come to it.  Dana, do you think there's any truth, any possibility that Marco Rubio is gunning for the VP slot?  

DANA PERINO, FORMER WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY UNDER PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH:  I think there are a lot of people who think so, but based on a couple of conversations I had today with people who know him well, they don't think that that is the case.  In fact, it was just a few weeks ago that Marco Rubio was on Mark Lavin's radio show and he said that he thinks that a conservative should be the nominee and that the remaining conservative in the race at that point was Ted Cruz.  Now, he didn't come out and endorse Ted Cruz either, and I don't think that Marco Rubio is gunning to be anybody's vice president at this point.  I think that maybe he's looking beyond, like maybe to the future of whether or not he wants to run again if at all.  

KELLY:  Stirewalt, if Rubio wanted to be Trump's VP, let's look down hypothetically for a moment, what could he do with his delegates that would be helpful to Donald Trump?  

STIREWALT:  Well, he could start by having more than John Kasich, and he does do that.  But what could he do for Donald Trump or more likely Ted Cruz, I think if Marco Rubio decides to help somebody, I think Dana is 100 percent right, it would much likely be Cruz who is a conservative like Rubio.  I think that's much more likely.  What he can do is he can peel back some round by round, state by state, rules control, whether a candidate can unbind his delegates in that state, Rubio could unbind some first round.  

KELLY:  He can't direct them to vote for any candidate.  


KELLY:  He can free them up to do it.

STIREWALT:  Like born free, he can release them into the wilderness.  

KELLY:  As free as the wind blows.  OK, Dana, what about Carly Fiorina?  

PERINO:  I think there's a couple of things.  I think that if you wanted to change the media narrative for the day, you were able to do that.  Ted Cruz was able to do that.  I think he will benefit from having her on the ticket especially in Indiana.  I shouldn't say the ticket, there is no ticket.  


KELLY:  He's 400 delegates behind.  

PERINO:  Right, right.  Some have said too little too late.  I said it might be too little too early because it's not quite at that point.  


KELLY:  He understands the importance of Indiana.  

PERINO:  I think you pick a vice presidential candidate for a couple of reasons, one because you trust them and by all accounts they get along very well.  They're of like mind when it comes to constitutional conservatism. And she can bring a crowd.  I also think that he thinks she can govern. That's a really important pick.  Like if you -- he was right.  Ted Cruz said it's the most solemn decision that you make as a president, that's true.  I think he put a lot of thought into it.  Does it help him in Indiana?  Maybe in terms of getting enthusiasm out there, but I think that 98 percent of the people when they go to vote, they vote for who is at the top of the ticket.  

KELLY:  Might happen help in California, too.  

PERINO:  A little bit, yeah.  

KELLY:  Stirewalt, your thought on Fiorina, and the decision to put her on the ticket.


STIREWALT:  It's not a ticket.  It's a slate, it's a slate.  

KELLY:  I don't what it is.


STIREWALT:  Look, I think from a Trumpian media point of view, good because it broke the narrative for today.  Otherwise, the narrative for today is everybody in the establishment press would have said, Trump, it's happening.  And everybody shut up.  So he broke the spell.  And so that did something.  And the other thing is, they like her.  The Republicans like her.  

KELLY:  Yeah.  

STIREWALT:  And if you're Ted Cruz, why the heck not?  

KELLY:  I have to ask you before I let you go, did you suffer some Hillary Clinton-esque concussion like with the glasses?  You know, when we saw her give the testimony in Benghazi first time around?  

STIREWALT:  Whatever concussions I have suffered are not related to the spectacles.  These are a result of pollen and I can't wear contacts.  So it's glasses for you.

KELLY:  Mystery solved.  Very debonair.  Great to see you both.  

PERINO:  Thank you.  

STIREWALT:  You bet.

KELLY:  Good to see you both.  See I have Dana Perino here, so I have to tell you a joke really quick because she gave this to me for my children. Why did the chicken fall into the well?  

PERINO:  Why?  

STIREWALT:  Because he couldn't see that well.  


PERINO:  Corny jokes, Stirewalt.  There should be a segment on The Kelly File. Great one.  

KELLY:  Moving on, is it Friday?  No.  After putting himself one step closer to the GOP nomination with a sweep of last night's contests, Donald Trump takes dead aim at the presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, questioning how she would be faring if she were a man.  Robert Zimmerman and David Wool are men, so we're going to ask them about that next.  



TRUMP:  Frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think she'd get 5 percent of the vote.  The only thing she's got going is the woman's card and the beautiful thing is women don't like her.  OK?


KELLY:  Donald Trump getting in some trouble for that remark, fairly or unfairly?  Robert Zimmerman is a Democratic super delegate.  David Wool is a Trump supporter and attorney.  Good to see you both.  Robert, your thoughts?  

ROBERT ZIMMERMAN, CLINTON SUPPORTER:  The issue isn't whether Hillary Clinton is playing the woman's card, it is that Donald Trump is not playing with a full deck.  He has got negatives amongst women voters at 60 percent according to USA Today, 66 percent, Gallup put it at 70 percent.  He's losing national polls against Hillary Clinton between 8 and 11 percent, losing states like Arizona.  And now, Hillary Clinton is tied in Utah and Mississippi.  This candidacy has no message, no principles, and ultimately, the hate-mongers have one card to play, that is called the Trump card.  

KELLY:  David?  

DAVID WOOL, TRUMP SUPPORTER:  Let's talk about what he said, Robert. Hillary Clinton's unfavorables have skyrocketed over the last year.  They are nearly 50 percent now among women.  You have this e-mail server scandal hovering over her head, dozens of FBI agents investigating that, a potential criminal indictment coming down the pipe.  We don't know for sure.  But that's going on.  Classic Clinton scandal.  And despite that, she just mopped the floor with Bernie Sanders.  She's doing very well. Now, it's safe to say anecdotally speaking, that she's benefiting from the novelty of being the first female presidential candidate.  


ZIMMERMAN:  How about being the most qualified candidate ever to run for president?  

WOOL:  Let me argue with that.  

ZIMMERMAN:  How about being the most qualified person ever to seek the presidency?  


KELLY:  Go ahead, Robert.

ZIMMERMAN:  And, David, let me just point to you, if you want to look at her standings with women versus Donald Trump in every poll, from the Wall Street Journal to every other polling source, she is beating Donald Trump amongst women by 30 points or 27 points.  


KELLY:  Go ahead, David.  

WOOL:  When is the election?  The election is six months from now.  What are the issues?  When it comes down to the issues of national security, the border, jobs, Second Amendment, women in the end are going to agree with Trump's core issues.  It's not going to be a matter of gender, this gender versus that gender.  He's got six months to drive that in.  And you're not going to be able to separate people and drive a wedge between men and women.  The reality is Trump has better ideas, Clinton does have the fact that she's a novelty.


ZIMMERMAN:  That presidential stature is really working well for your campaign.  


KELLY:  Are you suggesting Hillary Clinton's only credential to be president is she's a woman?  

WOOL:  No, I'm suggesting that helps her, Megyn.  There are clearly women who will vote for her because she's a woman.  And that's understandable.  I think Trump understands that.  He's saying that gives her a big benefit.  


KELLY:  I'll give you the last word.  Ten seconds.  

ZIMMERMAN:  Let's be very clear about this.  I Hillary Clinton winning in every poll against Donald Trump, winning by record numbers and states, she's never been competitive in because of her issues.  But, Megyn, as long as you're queen of hearts, we're fine.  

KELLY:  Great to see you both.  

WOOL: Thank you, Megyn.

KELLY:  We'll be right back.  


KELLY:  Tomorrow, we'll have Charles Krauthammer and Anderson Cooper.  Oh, yes, from CNN.  They're coming over here to 'The Kelly File.'  Set your DVR right now.  We'll explain tomorrow.  


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