Top threat to national security: climate change or terror?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 7, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone, I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld, it's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

It's Earth Day. And if you believe the hysteria from some celebrities and politicians, global warming is going to destroy the planet.


LEONARDO DICARPIO, ACTOR: Climate change is happening faster than even the most pessimistic of scientists warned us decades ago. And it's become a run-away freight train bringing with it an impending disaster for all living things.

BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When we look at climate change, we have got to realize that this is a global environmental crisis of unprecedented urgency.

HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We need to talk about this issue. And we should talk about it in terms of the extraordinary threats that climate change pose to our country and our world.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Climate change is a trend that affects all trends. Economic trends, security trends, everything will be impacted.

ALEC BALDWIN, ACTOR: So much of what's going on now is something what we have to treat as if it's a mental illness. I believe that climate change denial is a form of mental illness.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, we're so sick. Today, at least a hundred and seventy-five countries gathered at the United Nations to sign an agreement to address the threat of climate change. That's right, of ISIS, however, remains on the back burner as we're just learning about a plot by the terror network to sneak jihadists from Syria into the U.S. through Mexico to carry out attacks against this country. Let's weigh it in the balance, right Greg? Your favorite thing to talk about is climate change.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I get these bozos to care about ISIS. You would have to link beheadings to a carbon footprint. They have their priorities completely backwards.

GUILFOYLE: Good idea.

GUTFELD: These are the folks that would condemn Christian bakeries, but would not event think -- don't even think about the fact that gays are being thrown out of buildings in Iran. It's nuts or Iraq. And overwhelming majority of climate hysterics do not read the literature, because they were told they didn't have to. When the president said the science is settled, that got them a class exemption from science class. And if you understand science, you know the whole point of it, the engine of science is to be willing to be proven wrong. The only way you know you can be right is to be skeptical. A true scientist is skeptical. Now you have these guys are out trying to penalize skeptics, they're trying to tie them to corruption. But that is -- this is an affront to science with enlightenment got rid of this persecution, and they're bringing it back. It makes me think that they have a lot in common with ISIS, because they both want to go back to the seventh century.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, exactly.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Not only they -- do we have these guys who are doing --


BOLLING: That's right. And we have presidential candidates.


BOLLING: . who have now tied global warming to ISIS.


BOLLING: It's Islamic terror, which is even more insane. Earth Day -- and I do this every year and do it again this year.


BOLLING: I'm going to roll the windows down on my SUV. I'm gonna put the air conditioning on and drive home, open my windows at home and turn on the AC on there and fire up the 20,000 BTU barbeque for a nice, nice chicken dinner. Not steak dinner, but chicken dinner.

PERINO: yeah, I know. One of these days we gonna get you on TV.


BOLLING: And so in Bernie's world I'm causing more terror on --

GUTFELD: Yes. Yeah, you're worst.

GUILFOYLE: You're about to get terrorize on Twitter.

BOLLING: All right.

GUILFOYLE: I can feel the excitement, yeah.

PERINO: If you want to really drive them crazy, you should have steak. Because they think that their cattle industry.

BOLLING: That's true

PERINO: . is also adding --


BOLLING: I'll make a steak for myself.



GUILFOYLE: Exactly. Issue and I'll take the steak for the team, why not? All right Dana, when you see the juxtaposition, the real credible threat on national security on the world of ISIS, balanced with an obsession with cumulus clouds like; does it make any sense to you?

PERINO: Well, I do think the climate debate has got a little bit out of whack and -- for a couple reasons. One, millennials are now the largest generation of our country. Since they were little kids in school, they have been taught that global warming is going to be their demise, and they believe that this is their number one issue. If you look at the exit polls from any of the states that have had elections so far, it's all -- climate change is usually in the at least the top three of their biggest concern. I think there's a way that you can say, I'm for clean energy, I'd like for us to have more independence from foreign sources of energy. I think we should be looking for alternatives. I don't want to penalize the American economy while other economies don't actually have to participate, because this is a global problem. If we hurt ourselves and China doesn't do anything, and we haven't done anything to help the environment. There are very reasonable ways to talk about this. What is not reasonable is you now have several, I think it's 15, democratic attorneys general who are targeting climate skeptics for prosecution. And the perception from the democrats is that this is perfectly acceptable. And I actually think it's quite scary.

BOLLING: Oh, we're all in trouble.


GUTFELD: Exactly.

PERINO: So you'll get thrown in jail --

GUILFOYLE: They might try and like --

PERINO: Right.

GUILFOYLE: To prison Dinesh D'Souza again for --

BOLLING: Well Juan, might be to vouch for us.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Oh yeah, I'll be on the guys out.

GUILFOYLE: Juan, you'll be a character witness for us? Yes, you will be a character witness for all of us?

WILLIAMS: Easily, easily.

GUILFOYLE: Reduce our sentences?


GUILFOYLE: So they seem to be earnest, genuine in their concern that the rest of us aren't getting it. And what they're trying to focus on is actually a far more significant about climate change.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. Well I mean, I understand. I sit here and I think to myself, you know, I think politics is in play. I think, I think is if you look at the numbers, the republicans don't believe in climate change, democrats do. And you see this in terms of the presidential candidates. You see that on the campaign trail. So I think to myself, why is it that? Why is it that republicans are invested and say, there's no climate change? These are a bunch of bozo scientists. Gregory says, oh, science is good, you should be skeptical. I buy into that. But what happens Gregory, when you see that the overwhelming consensus is -- yes, there is climate change --


GUTFELD: I'm glad you used the phrase consensus, because consensus was based on a faulty questionnaire, two generic questions done by a grad student. Just as you can prove that man -- you cannot prove that man-made global warming is real. You cannot prove it. So that's where you start.

WILLIAMS: You cannot prove it.

GUTFELD: You can't, you can't --

WILLIAMS: In other words, you don't see.

GUTFELD: It could be --

WILLIAMS: . increasing temperatures.

GUTFELD: You also --

WILLIAMS: Glaciers melting.


GUTFELD: You're also seeing more ice, and you're also seeing --

WILLIAMS: I don't think anybody says you're seeing more ice?

GUTFELD: Yes, you are.

WILLIAMS: More ice.

BOLLING: I think ice has grown by 50 percent --



BOLLING: But the way it could help -- come on.

WILLIAMS: I'm going to say, I just don't like --


WILLIAMS: This is so American. I am never hearing this from anybody but you guys.

BOLLING: Oh, stop it. You haven't heard that the reservoirs --


GUTFELD: Are you America shaming us?



BOLLING: That was a 17-year pause in --

GUTFELD: Yes. It's been -- and it's week --

BOLLING: That was 17-year.

GUTFELD: It's near two decades now.

PERINO: Juan, can I give you a little piece of advice?

WILLIAMS: Sure. You go right in.

PERINO: I think of anybody I've ever known that has read more about climate change, it is Greg Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: Which is why I --

PERINO: Be careful.


GUTFELD: Which is why, I'm losing my mind. And by the way --


GUTFELD: I never use the word hoax, because I --


GUTFELD: I don't think it's -- I don't think it's fair. And it is not -- I mean there could be something going on there. In the list of priorities, where is it? There are millions of people around the world that are burning impure fuels and are dying, and could use coal. So I would say maybe there is a slight uptick. And maybe it might be slightly beneficial for some time. But I -- the problem is people don't think what they already believe.

WILLIAMS: But wait a second -- why?

GUTFELD: Because it's easy not to read this stuff.



WILLIAMS: Oh, and otherwise, it is only democrats.


WILLIAMS: It's only democrats.


GUTFELD: There's a very big what?

WILLIAMS: Republicans have already --


BOLLING: A big answer to your what.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

BOLLING: Because there's a hundred billion dollars of.

GUTFELD: Good point.

BOLLING: . money floating around.

GUTFELD: Good point.

BOLLING: . to professors and climatologists.

WILLIAMS: Oh, come on.

BOLLING: Who will face them as form -- in the form of grants?

WILLIAMS: Let me just say, I see.

BOLLING: Hold on.

WILLIAMS: What about the coal industry?


WILLIAMS: They don't put --


GUTFELD: Who will take that money into life?

BOLLING: And they'll finance all their labs and studies.


BOLLING: . and their proof that you believe that you buy into, of global warming. Which many people who have --

WILLIAMS: No, no, no.

BOLLING: Who have not --

WILLIAMS: I am even --

BOLLING: I disagree with it.

WILLIAMS: I am even lower than Gregory Gutfeld. Gregory, according to Dana, has read a great deal about this.


WILLIAMS: And I have not read a great deal about this. But I, as a journalist will say, when I read --

GUILFOYLE: That's the point.


PERINO: That's the point.



WILLIAMS: No, no, no. It's not the point to me, because it's much like anything else.


WILLIAMS: It's like looking --


WILLIAMS: It's like looking at the literature.


WILLIAMS: You are seeing where the literature is based. And saying look, this is overwhelming.

GUTFELD: But then you don't read the literature --

WILLIAMS: But I know literature --

GUTFELD: You just said it.

WILLIAMS: The republicans don't do it. No, I read --

GUTFELD: All right.

WILLIAMS: I read the literature. I'm not a scientist on what I said. I read.

GUILFOYLE: This is what happens. Can we just agree on this?


GUILFOYLE: Rise of ice and rise of ISIS, thank you so much.


GUILFOYLE: I mean this is what's happening.

BOLLING: Well done.



WILLIAMS: But let me just finish my point.


WILLIAMS: The defense industry --


WILLIAMS: Who I don't think is politically invested says, this is a major threat to us, right?

BOLLING: What is?


BOLLING: What is?


BOLLING: Global warming?



BOLLING: See -- and you get a 17-year pause in global warming, it suddenly becomes climate change, it's not global warming any more. So the rhetoric, the debate has to center around what is really happening. Instead of what originally for a long time, global warming, right?

WILLIAMS: I assume.

BOLLING: They had some warming. Then it stopped, so you have to call it climate change.

GUTFELD: Also Juan, let me, if -- OK, if it indeed there are some warming, the problem has always been that their statistics have been off. They exaggerated, sometimes double, tripled the estimation, in order to probably to get money. So that creates a skeptical nation.


GUTFELD: . when we know that --


GUTFELD: When you have, when you have experts saying, 30 years ago that like New York would be under water.


GUTFELD: Or all the polar bears would be dead.

BOLLING: Actually --


BOLLING: Al Gore said it.

GUTFELD: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


BOLLING: Al Gore himself.

WILLIAMS: You know --

BOLLING: It could be any true.

WILLIAMS: In preparation for walking this trail of fire with the four of you.


WILLIAMS: . I've read online and I looked at PolitiFact.


WILLIAMS: And said, oh, you know --

PERINO: PolitiFact?


PERINO: PolitiFact?

WILLIAMS: Yes. That's in all at PolitiFact.


WILLIAMS: Are they not to be trusted?


PERINO: I'm not saying that.


PERINO: Believe me.

WILLIAMS: Have I trusted them?

PERINO: Who come after me?



BOLLING: He backed it up with Wikipedia.



GUILFOYLE: Oh, my god.

WILLIAMS: Oh my god. No, no, no. Actually it has snuck in your dad to read the propaganda that you're feeding.



WILLIAMS: But I went and I looked up and it just went point by point about melting glaciers, rising tides, the fence industry, farmers --

GUTFELD: There are --


GUTFELD: Rebuttal to each one of them.

WILLIAMS: The issue being eroded.

GUTFELD: If you choose to read both sides, which I try to do.


GUTFELD: In sometimes I walk away and go, my god it's real. And then other crimes, (inaudible) the literature that says, wait a minute, you have to look at this, that maybe the -- the way they gauge temperatures are too close to certain areas that artificially raise temperatures.

WILLIAMS: One of the points PolitiFact says was, this is a big conservative theory, right? There's a conspiracy that they've changed the numbers, they've fudged the numbers to create this image, and so PolitiFact went back and checked. And this is what I mean.


WILLIAMS: . by reading the literature, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, right.

WILLIAMS: They said that's not true.

GUTFELD: But then there are also arguments that say that the thermostats or whoever these -- whether these --



GUTFELD: In areas that actually are artificially increased.

PERINO: And there was a huge scandal out of Britain.


BOLLING: Of course. Yeah, the climate --

WILLIAMS: Now, that's real.


WILLIAMS: I read that.


WILLIAMS: That's real.

BOLLING: If they look at --

WILLIAMS: That's real.

GUILFOYLE: But what I'm most concerned about is what Alec Baldwin.


GUILFOYLE: . thinks of all of this, especially, Greg.

GUTFELD: I know. I know.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. I believe the climate change denial is a form of mental illness. How are you feeling?

GUTFELD: Well, I -- I am crazy.


GUTFELD: But you know that this -- but it does show how -- you don't, you don't think when you believe. When somebody has an ideology, you can't change their mind. And it's almost pointless to keep going back and forth. There almost has to be a room that you go in. OK, everybody forget about what they know before, let's start and read the same things, because he has an ideology he can't let go of. And I'm -- probably the same way.

PERINO: We can't allow the criminalization of thought.


PERINO: That is a really bad trend.

GUILFOYLE: Oh no, we can't.

WILLIAMS: I would agree. That's right.


WILLIAMS: If I said to you, hey, you know what, Dana, that earth is flat and we've been lied to all along.

GUTFELD: You sounded like DiCarpio.

PERINO: I would go immediately to PolitiFact and see.


WILLIAMS: You're my kind of girl. Here we go.

PERINO: What was that?

GUTFELD: The criminalization of thought by Dana Perino.

PERINO: All right.

GUTFELD: To be out in 2018.

GUILFOYLE: Well, let's see if we can get -- we can get Gutfeld and Alec Baldwin in a room together.


GUILFOYLE: And we're like blank-slate and (inaudible). And then see if you guys can come out on the same side. Coming up, is Donald Trump about to make a dramatic shift in his campaign? What the Trump camp just hold republican leaders, it's all coming up, next -- and later more.


GUILFOYLE: Climate change under my head. And later, it's Facebook Friday, so post your questions, naughty or nice, for us now on we're going to answer some of them straight ahead.



PERINO: Donald Trump hasn't minced his words so far this presidential race, but he says Americans will see a different, softer side of him soon enough.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: My wife is constantly saying -- darling, be more presidential. I just don't know that I want to do it quite yet. We have to be tough for a little while. And I'll be, at some point, I'm going to be so presidential that you people will be so bored and I'll come back as a presidential person, and instead of 10,000 people, I'll have about 150 people. And they'll say, but boy, he really looks presidential.


PERINO: His top aide Paul Manafort, yesterday promised party leaders that the candidate would start running a more traditional campaign, including a shift in his persona to target more voters. He said Trump is just playing a part in the primary season and will evolve as the general election nears. And that comment elicited this sharp response from Ted Cruz.


TED CRUZ, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yesterday, they were down in Florida meeting with party leaders and they were saying these are their words -- that all of this is just a show. That he doesn't believe anything he is saying, he's just trying to fool gullible voters and he's not going to do any of it. He's not going to build a wall. He's not going to deport anyone. He's telling us he is lying to us.


PERINO: We might get to a point Greg, where we say Paul Manafort, where is Donald Trump and what have you done with him?

GUTFELD: You know 2016 is really about hope and change. People are hoping that Trump will change. But the thing is like you, they keep using phrase "evolve" like he's stuck between Homo erectus and Homo sapiens, and we just want to stand upright. But the fact is he might actually be the next step. He might actually be part of the evolution of the Republican Party that we may not want to admit. For example, his comment on transgendered bathrooms and the fact that Caitlyn Jenner could use any bathroom she wanted. Some of the people watching the show might disagree with that, but they still support Donald. They will accept that belief and accept Donald. Are they hypocrites for that? Or is Donald somehow creating a fundamental change that is downplaying or reducing the moral, social, conservative ideology that is part of the Republican Party? It may be that case. It may be that he might be saying those issues aren't going to get you into the White House any more. They never have. Let it go. Now -- I mean he truly is kind of a liberal, fiscal Republican.

PERINO: I think one of his, the appeals of him has been that he wasn't so handled and manufactured by -- like you look at the difference between Hillary Clinton who focus groups, every word she's going to say and she thinks about it very carefully. Look at this Fox News on exit poll average, because I've been doing the election night coverage and would want and everyone is following it. For those people voting so far this year, if you're most important thing in a president is that he will tell it like it is. Trump has won that by 78 percent of the vote and not -- in New York, it was 91 percent of the vote. So he's been doing something right up to now for those voters.

GUILFOYLE: Well, yeah, that sounds almost like a trust issue to people believes that what he's saying that he's being authentic. And that can go a long way. Because a lot of times people see all politicians are so full of it. They're tired of it. They said they'll pander. They'll do and say anything to get your vote. But they're essentially saying, hey, this guy is telling us what he believes and what he thinks, and he's like removed the filter, you know. And it's just coming straight out at you.

GUTFELD: But what --

PERINO: But there might be.

GUTFELD: But how does it jibe with the fact that he may change everything he believes in, according to this pivot.

GUILFOYLE: To Manafort, about the general election? Yeah. I mean, well he's going to have to, as you say, like broaden the tent and open it up to be able to get more voters to peel off some the democrats, to get the independents and get some of -- yeah, the establishment republicans to come his way.

PERINO: I do think he needed to do something, especially after Wisconsin. So he's taken some steps. I guess the risk, Eric, is that you overcorrect.

BOLLING: Well, I'm glad you said exactly what you said, because that's what -- of many people, me included, have been thinking about him for a long time. Now people are starting to realize that yes, the republicans need someone who can win. It may not be straight along the party line, it may not be -- you have to check the box on abortion, you have to check the box on gay marriage, you have to check on all the topics, and then hope to win in a general election.


BOLLING: People are now starting to see, he may not -- you may not like where he is on a couple of social issues, but you like where he is on saying of what it like -- like it is on being tough on terror, and things like that. Work --

GUILFOYLE: Jobs, economy.

BOLLING: Yeah, jobs, et cetera. Yeah. And also we've been talking for five years here and probably 15 or 20 years since we've been doing this about how both sides need to go to the far extremes in the primaries, Hillary as well on the left.


BOLLING: She just carved off that far left trying to go at it with Bernie, and then she starting to bring it back to the middle. Trump tried -- did the same thing. Only he did it with much less skill and, I don't know, softness that Hilary is doing. He went far and hard. And now he's starting to move back. Manafort -- Greg, a long time ago you said, "I wish I could trust that he would hire the right people."


BOLLING: Manafort is the right guy. He's really bringing some gravitas and strength and credibility to the Trump camp.


WILLIAMS: I thought you don't like the establishment?

BOLLING: I like Manafort.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I thought you didn't like the republican establishment.

BOLLING: I don't.

WILLIAMS: I will say this.

BOLLING: No, I don't.

PERINO: You got to pick and choose your establishment.

WILLIAMS: Oh, you pick and choose?

BOLLING: That's right.

WILLIAMS: Is that the deal? Oh, I see.


BOLLING: I like the guys who's running for president --

WILLIAMS: Anti-establishment.

BOLLING: you got see --

WILLIAMS: Let me just tell you --


WILLIAMS: I remember, I remember Mitch Daniels is the former governor of Indiana, right?


WILLIAMS: Mitch said, "Hey, we can't run every time on social issues."And you know what got him? Out of here, you're gone, see you later, alligator. And I think now you're saying oh, it's OK for Donald Trump to do this. Hey, you evangelical republicans, we're so sorry. We're so sorry. I mean, you can't do that to people.

BOLLING: What do you mean?

WILLIAMS: That's why, that's why --

BOLLING: Hillary did the same thing, she went anti-Wall Street; she went anti-Iraq war to can be with Bernie.

WILLIAMS: Oh yeah.

BOLLING: And guess what's going to happen, she's going to have to bring it back to the middle.

GUILFOYLE: She cannot do that.

WILLIAMS: She's anti-Wall Street. I think even you would say that's not true.


BOLLING: Dana, could you try and help me. Did she not just trash Wall Street.


BOLLING: . the last two weeks?

WILLIAMS: Oh my, gosh. You -- I thought your complaint was she won't release the speeches because she probably was poking Wall Street.

BOLLING: That is my --

PERINO: I mean they've --


PERINO: They've been having a battle between Bernie and -- very nice, that Kimberly Guilfoyle just sneezed with no sound. I mean --


WILLIAMS: It's unbelievable.

PERINO: I've never seen anything like that.

WILLIAMS: She's a talent.

PERINO: Impressive.

GUTFELD: They teach you that.

PERINO: He has Bernie and.


PERINO: . Hillary has been fighting over who would be tougher on Wall Street.


PERINO: . between the two of them.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but --

PERINO: I would just say my last word on this is that the evolution may be welcome to some. It will give a lot of conservatives even more heartburn than they already have, so --


PERINO: More to come. There are five more big contests on Tuesday on the east coast and we're going to preview them in a special tomorrow night, live on a Saturday edition of "The Five." So please tune in at 5:00 p.m. eastern. And still to come, Facebook Friday. But next, what killed Prince? An autopsy performed today on the music legend, the latest on the investigation of his death, straight ahead.




PRINCE, SINGER: Little Red Corvette. Baby, you're much too fast (yes you are), Little Red Corvette.


BOLLING: Prince's sudden death yesterday left the world stunned and greatly saddened. We still don't know what took his life, but an autopsy performed today will determine that very soon. Here were the investigators, earlier.


JIM OLSON, CARVER COUNTY SHERIFF: There were no obvious signs of trauma on the body at all. We have no reason to believe that at this point that this was a suicide.

MARTHA WEAVER, MIDWEST MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE: It was a very meticulous exam. It was a complete exam. And so several of the pieces of information that are gathered in that process will be sent to labs for further testing, so that answer is pending. And it will take days and weeks to complete those particular investigations.


BOLLING: Here's Dr. Michael Baden's take on the investigation.


DR. MICHAEL BADEN, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: The autopsy should be finished and they know if he had natural -- any natural disease. They know if he had pneumonia. They know if he had heart disease, if he had brain hemorrhage. All of these innocent things that cause death would be able to be determined just from the regular autopsy. If so that, they wouldn't -- they could release that and say died a natural death. But if they don't have any natural disease, then they have to wait for the toxicology, which will take a few days. Not two weeks.


BOLLING: So there wasn't a lot there, KG.


BOLLING: . in the press conference by the police. But they did say at one point, a reporter asked if there was a suicide note, he said I can't tell you if there was one. However, it didn't appear to be a suicide. What do we -- let me ask you this, why did they have this press conference today?

GUILFOYLE: Well, because they kind of had to, right, because the autopsy was conducted. It was concluded and now what they're waiting for its toxicology. So that tells, you if there's a situation, they came upon a crime scene, a foul play or something like that, you would you see visible signs of injury to the body, to the torso, to the head. So it appears that no foul play, right, like they said.

And so now they have to look further. And the blood results, the toxicology are going to give them what they need to determine if this was a substance abuse, you know, situation. Was there an overdose? If he was sick, was that exacerbated by the use of drugs, as well? So there's a number of factors in play.

They probably have a pretty good idea. They're just not going to say until they get the final results. That's going to take a couple of weeks. But it just does rule out quite a bit, you know, in terms of what could have caused this.

BOLLING: So Greg, I read today that there was a save shot administered. So he was coming down from a concert in Atlanta. They landed 48 minutes early, took him, rushed him to a hospital and a save shot. Which means there was some sort of opiate involved there, at that point.

GUTFELD: In the plane. Yes. It's -- it is amazing, how powerful these drugs are. And they're powerful, because they are so good; and they're so addictive. And maybe that's what did it. I don't know. I can't guess.

The one thing that I -- I am a broken record, because every time we do stories like these, I go off on the releasing of the 911 calls, which drives me crazy. I don't understand, the most personal moment in somebody's life, whether they're being injured and filled with fear and panic or dead, are being released. This is the most private part of someone's life.

And I always feel like -- and I've said it before -- it keeps people from calling 911. If you're with somebody who might have overdosed, and you think that you make that phone call and it's going to be public, you may not make that phone call, because you don't want to be on TV. I mean, I just don't understand what's the point of us having to hear what goes on? I don't know.

BOLLING: Dana, Prince had been known to have some hip problems. At some point someone said he may have needed double hip replacement. So there's a chance -- it's pure conjecture. I guess we shouldn't even be doing this. But he maybe had used some sort of pain killers for that.

PERINO: Possibly. I mean, he would be like many other Americans, that he needed sort of pain medication, if that's the case.

I think that the important thing for the police is that there was no foul play. So we could do -- continue to do what we've been doing, which is to celebrate the life and to let him rest in peace. Because does it matter at this point? If there's no foul play, I don't know if it matters to any of us how he actually died.

BOLLING: Juan, you weren't here yesterday. We did quite a bit of analysis on Prince, on his life, his career. You want to weigh in on some of that?

WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, I love Prince. I remember, I went down to the Essence Music Festival in New Orleans. And it was unbelievable. It was in the Superdome. It was -- you couldn't move. You could not move. And it was a fabulous performance. Chaka Khan was there, right, and then the Time. It was great; it was a party.

And the thing was, he had never -- he had always refused to do that music festival. And so this was like, you know, black American women and, baby, let me tell you, they love Prince. There's just no question.

Because there's lots -- the people say, Prince is like male/female. At one point he said he was black, he was white. But in fact he's from black parents. But there was a sense of questioning identity about Prince. I think that's why he was reluctant to go down to the Essence Music Festival. Afterwards, no question.

The same summer, I then saw him in Washington at the Verizon Center. He did a completely different concert for a different audience, and it was similarly spectacular and sold out.

I will say this about -- all day, I've been traveling to get back to you guys today.

PERINO: We appreciate it.

WILLIAMS: All day, I appreciate you guys so much.


WILLIAMS: Let me just say that...

GUILFOYLE: Crazy as we are.

WILLIAMS: ... what I hear and especially from black folks is drugs. We're not tucking about Percocets and opioids. And so the suspicion is -- and it's the reason you ask why talk -- why do you have the press conference? This is -- he's a public figure. Whitney Houston? Gone. Whitney Houston's daughter, gone. You think about the...

GUILFOYLE: Michael Jackson.

WILLIAMS: Yes. You think about the stars that go and about their lifestyle, it's a problem. But these -- you know, do they ever learn? Do they ever figure it out? I don't know.

GUTFELD: Highly intelligent people are prone to high-risk behaviors. It's their ticket to oblivion. They don't have to think as much.

BOLLING: All right. We've got to go.

GUILFOYLE: Greg, be responsible. We don't want to lose you.

BOLLING: Stay right there. "Facebook Friday" is next.



GUILFOYLE: Do you love that show, "Bosom Buddies"? "Facebook Friday," answer your questions.


GUILFOYLE: Kimberly, get your mind out of the gutter?

GUILFOYLE: Well, it reminds me of somebody.

GUTFELD: Tom Hanks.

Yes. All right. From Don K. We're going to go around this side. Dana, "What do you miss the most about your high school days?"

PERINO: Studying, for sure.


PERINO: I loved the speech team.

GUTFELD: Of course you did.

PERINO: I had a really good group of friends on the speech team and what are you laughing about?

GUTFELD: You are Lisa Simpson.

GUILFOYLE: And you were worried about me giving a nerdy answer?

PERINO: But it was so fun. We would practice, and then we would go on to our meets on Saturday, 5:30 in the morning. It was freezing. But it was great.

GUTFELD: Excellent.

PERINO: The speech team is...


PERINO: ... should get more support.

GUTFELD: I agree with you. I agree.

PERINO: Like from people like you.


BOLLING: Not much. Not much at all. I went to a Jesuit high school, all boys. They had the paddle, corporal punishment after school. Did sports, you know, all the seasons and then had to literally -- and this is when you could do this -- literally had to hitchhike home.


BOLLING: So I was about 15 miles from school. And we -- the whole team would stand there, and people would pick you up and drop you off.

PERINO: Ever had the same people twice?

BOLLING: Over the years, yes. People, they get used to. You can't do that anymore. Don't do that.

PERINO: Don't do that, kids.


Juan, high school?

WILLIAMS: Free time.


WILLIAMS: You know, hanging out, and you know, for me it was a real blossoming time. Because I grew up in Brooklyn, right. But then I -- I got this scholarship, and I went off to a prep school. And it was like, I'd never seen anything like it, manicured and green.

Anyway, but for me I was growing up, and I just had free time. I could do things, I could, like now my life is so structured.

BOLLING: No responsibilities, yes.

All right, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I did speech, too. But I would say what I loved about high school -- and I went to all-girls private Catholic school, Mercy High School. Go Skippers. I loved the sports, you know, besides -- obviously, I had straight A's, A.P. classes, perfect attendance.

GUTFELD: I know.

GUILFOYLE: But I loved it because I was captain of the varsity fast pitch, the women's softball team, and we won the championship every single year.

GUTFELD: You know what I miss? That you could eat crap.


GUTFELD: Lunchtime, two hot dogs at Serra High School and chocolate milk. Who eats hot dogs with chocolate milk? I did.


GUTFELD: That's what you ate at lunch. But I don't miss anything else. I'm like you. This is high school. This is like home room. We just sit around here and insult each other.

GUILFOYLE: This is like "The Breakfast Club."

GUTFELD: It really is.

PERINO: It's like the lunch table.

GUTFELD: All right. Here's from Mary H. I'll go this way, Kimberly. "What do you imagine your retirement looking like?" What will you be like in retirement?

GUILFOYLE: Exactly like this.


GUILFOYLE: Don't you think? I'll be like this. It will just be like just a little steel magnolia. Just running around, looking for love in all the wrong places.

GUTFELD: There you go. Juan, you're perplexed.

WILLIAMS: I don't know. I mean, just like this. It's not going to be just like this. We change, right?

GUILFOYLE: No, I'm going to...

PERINO: Don't bust her bubble.


OK. Well, I always -- this is curious, because I always think, you know...


WILLIAMS: ... I'd love to be in a warm place, right? Part of me says the Caribbean or someplace like that, right?

GUILFOYLE: I would like that.

WILLIAMS: Yes, OK. So I would think that's cool.

But on the other hand, I live with a woman who says she ain't moving. She likes -- she likes where she lives.

GUTFELD: I've got that problem, too. Mine will never move.

BOLLING: I'm never retiring.


BOLLING: I love -- I love working.

GUILFOYLE: We got that sense about you.

BOLLING: I don't know. The Villages?


BOLLING: Right? How much fun...

GUTFELD: A lot of action there.

BOLLING: I hear there's a nightclub. There's restaurants.


BOLLING: I kind of think that would be fun.

GUILFOYLE: Bar scene. Golf cart.

GUTFELD: Yes. You would -- you would you clean up over there, my friend.


PERINO: I might have more than one dog. I would get another couple dogs.

GUTFELD: Yes. Of course you would. But I agree, I think it's important to keep doing something.

GUTFELD: Yes, till you die.

PERINO: Teach, maybe.

GUTFELD: You retire, you die. I'm going to have my -- I'm going to lose my whole physical body, have my brain uploaded into a computer. So it will be in this big vat of gel, and it will have all these things plugged in. And I'll just sit there for the rest of existence and do nothing. And they'll have, like, certain kind of euphoric drugs packed into my brain, and I will never do anything.

GUILFOYLE: I'm sorry. Who is paying for this?

PERINO: Medicare?

GUTFELD: America.

WILLIAMS: The U.S. government.


WILLIAMS: Climate change. His brain will climate change.

GUTFELD: I will start with you, Eric from Sylvia. If you could be any age for a week, what age would you be? For one week?

BOLLING: One week.


PERINO: And then you go back to the current age?


BOLLING: I would -- I think I would like to be 18 for one week again.

GUTFELD: There you go.

BOLLING: For one week. Just the first year of college. You know, freshman in college.

GUTFELD: You'd sleep all week. Do nothing.

BOLLING: Did I understand the question properly?

GUTFELD: Yes, yes.

BOLLING: Could be earlier or later?



WILLIAMS: I was thinking about this, because you know, I had lots of anxieties and questions -- always trying to prove something when I was 18. I was trying to decide, you know, what kind of person I am and all that. So I was much more comfortable in my 30s. I think I knew who I was. I was successful. I had some money.


WILLIAMS: Money beats being poor every time.

GUTFELD: That is true. It can buy happiness. Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: It can. OK, so I'd like to go back to being 21. Because for my 21st birthday, I was the designated driver and drank, like, root beer floats; and maybe I should do that one over.

GUTFELD: Good point. Dana.

PERINO: I'm going to go -- I'm going to fast-forward. I'd like to be 100 for one week. My great-grandmother lived to be 104 or something.


PERINO: And I want -- I want to know what it's like at 100, so that I can -- when I come back to being this age, which is also kind of old, but I would know some things I shouldn't do. Like, I should take better care of my health before I'm at 100.

GUTFELD: I was going to say 80, so that, when the week's over, I'm happy to be 50. Like, oh, "This is great." Or, I'd like to be 400 and know what it's like in 20...

GUTFELD: If you go back to your 18 or 21 year, you know it's going it turn out OK, and you have a lot more fun.

GUTFELD: That's true. You don't have to worry about it.

GUILFOYLE: That's why I said go back to my 21st birthday.

GUTFELD: You know what? I'd pick a week where I did something really stupid that has affected me for a long time and not do that.

WILLIAMS: But you know what -- you know...

GUTFELD: No comment. Undo it.

WILLIAMS: When you read advice that comes from people who are really old. You know what they say, Dana, if you were 100? They say take more risks, have more fun, and nobody...

PERINO: Eat more ice cream.

WILLIAMS: Yes. And nobody dies saying, "I should have worked more."

BOLLING: Drink more cocktails.

WILLIAMS: Absolutely. Have a good time, man. Enjoy it.

GUTFELD: I think we learned absolutely nothing. And everything.

GUILFOYLE: At the same time.

GUTFELD: Well, she's calling herself the world's meanest mom after tossing her kid's ice cream in the trash. But will you agree after you hear why? That's next on "The Five." Yay.


WILLIAMS: Is this the world's meanest mom? Jamie Primak Sullivan once appeared on a Bravo show called "Jersey Belle." Just shared a tough-love lesson for her kids, though, on Facebook.

She explained how she disciplined her three young children, after they didn't thank the server at Dairy Queen. She wrote, quote, "So I am the meanest mom ever. Like ever. The young lady, maybe 17, handed each child their ice cream. Not one looked her in the eye. Not one said, 'Thank you.' I calmly collected their ice creams, and my kids watched in horror as I deposited them into the nearby garbage can."

Sullivan explained her action on "FOX & Friends" earlier.


JAMIE PRIMAK SULLIVAN, FORMER REALITY TV STAR: For me, throwing away three ice creams was worth it to me to teach them to see the value in other people.

I was raised to treat the janitor with the same amount of respect as the president. And that is what I intend to teach my children, whether they like it or not. And if I have to be the meanest mom in the world, then so be it.


WILLIAMS: Kimberly, the meanest mom?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I don't know. I don't like her.


GUILFOYLE: And I think she's got suspect motives. And I don't -- I think she wants to be famous, and I think she's completely horrible. And I'd tell her to her face.

WILLIAMS: Holy smokes. What brought out the shark?

GUILFOYLE: Because I think she's mean. I think there's a way to could do that that's instructive, that isn't punitive and emotionally damaging to kids to be like that.

All you see now, she's going on talking about it; she's bragging about it. She's so proud of herself and so full of it. Like, she's making the story all about her. I don't think that that's a very educational or, you know, learning teachable moment for her kids. They're probably traumatized.

WILLIAMS: You know, I missed you, because you surprise me every time.

Eric, isn't -- isn't there a lesson for kids, to say, "Hey, you know what? Be respectful of people who serve you."

BOLLING: I happen to like what she did.


BOLLING: Look, I'm an advocate of tough love. And she epitomizes tough love. Maybe she went a little bit too far. Maybe she could have taught them a little bit while she was doing it.

But the other extreme is where you don't -- you buy your kid ice cream, and they, you know, basically ignore the people around them, the servers, and that's an extreme on the other side. So maybe somewhere in the middle.

But I don't have a problem with this. I'm the worst -- worst at this. I don't administrator tough love the way I think parents should.

WILLIAMS: Dana, what do you think about what Kimberly said? Do you think this mom is out for publicity or really about trying to instill good values in her children?

PERINO: Maybe a little bit of both. But definitely -- I think there's pressure enough on parents, and the peer pressure for parents when it comes to social media is really a problem. I hear that -- I see it on "FOX & Friends" or I hear it from friends about how they'll go to chat rooms or be on blogs. And it's just so much pressure to be a certain kind of parent.

I think what she did was fine. I just think you can do that without having to tell the world about it.

WILLIAMS: Wow. So you kind of agree with Kimberly?

PERINO: Uh-huh.

WILLIAMS: I wanted to take your ice cream away the other day, but I didn't, because I thought I don't want to be a mean guy, you know.

GUTFELD: Clearly, she's lactose intolerant.

You know what would have been great -- what would have been great, if she reenacted the scene from "Witness," you know, when that guy goes over to Harrison Ford with the ice cream. She should have gone up to the kids and just hit them with the ice cream in the face and go, "That's just what you get."

I don't think she went far enough, Kimberly. But I agree with you, and you. I think you have to have tough love. But I question the fact that she had to publicize it. And get this: she's a reality TV star. Who would have thought?


WILLIAMS: That is kind of suspicious.

GUILFOYLE: Need I say more?

WILLIAMS: All right. "One More Thing" is up next.


GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." Juan, what do you have for us?

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, it's been a whirlwind week for me, because I've been on the road talking to people about my new book, "We, the People."

So I stopped first at the Nixon Library, following in Greg's footsteps. You wouldn't believe what he told them about "We, the People."

Anyway, then I went on -- and by the way, you should go to the Nixon Library, because they have a new display coming in the fall. It's very interesting. I didn't realize. You could ask the president questions, just fascinating, love the people. Great questions.

From there it was on to -- guess what? -- Kimberly's home town of San Francisco. And I spoke there at the Commonwealth Club, had a wonderful time. There I am in Seattle. I went to Seattle to speak at Seattle town hall. Again a great time.

You know what's great being on the road talking about a book? Even though you wrote the book, you're learning things, because people ask you questions and interact in ways that you're like, "Wow, that was a great question."

PERINO: It's a great book.

GUILFOYLE: And you were very well-received. Right?

WILLIAMS: Let me just tell you, people love "The Five." There's no doubt about it.

PERINO: That's good.

GUILFOYLE: Even in San Francisco. All right.


GUTFELD: Tomorrow night, "Greg Gutfeld Show," I've got Ambassador John Bolton, Larry Gatlin, the return of Lauren Sivan. And we send Gavin McInnes to an Earth Day event.


GAVIN MCINNES, COMEDIAN: What should we do? What should I do?


MCINNES: For what?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know. Planting a tree?

MCINNES: I should plant a tree? For Earth Day? What's going on with your ears there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're stretched out, you know. Got some gauges in them.

MCINNES: I don't understand when you're, like, 40 and a dad and you want to remove those, what do you do to your ears now?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not going to be any different. I mean, I've -- I have plenty of nephews and nieces that hang from them.



GUTFELD: I'm leaving with you that image. Tomorrow at 10 p.m.

GUILFOYLE: That sounds really bizarre and painful.

OK, Dana.

PERINO: All right. Get the tissues, OK? This is a sweet story out of South Carolina.

A woman named April Kromer was in South Carolina, and she went to the Greenville County Animal Care Center. So she had had a dog that ran away two years ago. They couldn't find it. They looked for it for a year. So they were thinking about maybe getting another dog. She's not really sure. She's waiting around. And she decides to go through the animal shelter.

And she's going through the animal shelter, and she sees a familiar face. And it was her dog, Buddy.


PERINO: And she says, "Buddy?" He turns around, and he gets so excited. So now the family is reunited with Buddy after two years of him being missing. Can you imagine?

GUILFOYLE: How long did they say they had him?

PERINO: They're not exactly sure. He had not been in the shelter for very long. That's what they...

GUILFOYLE: A miracle.

GUTFELD: Maybe he was trying to get away from them.

GUILFOYLE: Eric, we've got to go, hurry.

BOLLING: All right. I'll go very quickly. Want to wish a happy Passover to all our Jewish friends who celebrate Passover. Jews celebrate Passover as commemoration of their liberation by God from slavery in Egypt and their freedom from -- emancipation (ph) under the leadership of Moses. So happy Passover everyone.

And to my beautiful wife's half-Jewish side on Passover.

GUILFOYLE: Very sweet. Very sweet.



GUILFOYLE: Kimberly's Royal News.


GUILFOYLE: Again, just to please Greg. Three in a row.

President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama met the U.K.'s Prince George for the first time. Look at how cute he is in his little robe before he goes to bed. He got a 15-minute extension on his bed time so that he could meet the couple, which is wonderful. And he thanked them for the little rocking horse that they gave him.

PERINO: Is that Greg's shorty robe?

GUILFOYLE: Exactly. He -- Greg wants it back.

And I would like to you come back with me for Greta. I'm going to be in for her, for my good friend, from 7 to 8 tonight.

All right. We'll see you back here tomorrow, same time, same place for a special live Saturday edition. "Special Report," next.

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