NY GOP chair previews primary race; DNC talks Sanders-Clinton feud

On 'Sunday Morning Futures,' Ed Cox provides insight into what is shaping up to be a heated election day


This is a rush transcript from "Sunday Morning Futures," April 10, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MARIA BARTIROMO, HOST: Good morning, everyone. Welcome. I'm Maria Bartiromo. Welcome to "Sunday Morning Futures."

Brand-new polls out this morning in the GOP race for the White House from New York and Pennsylvania. Who's out front and who's gaining momentum as questions linger about what could be an interesting convention in Cleveland.

Plus, Bernie Sanders picks up another victory last night making it seven out of the eight last contests. So, what does this mean for Hillary Clinton? Should she be worried headed into the New York primary considered her home turf?

And, new details this morning following the Belgium terrorist attack. It turns out the group had another target on their radar but decided to attack Brussels instead. We'll have the details as we look ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures."


BARTIROMO: The battle for New York heats up this morning in a big way with the candidates going all out in the Empire State. This after a one-sided GOP primary in Colorado. Ted Cruz sweeping all the state's delegates, a total of 34. But now, the campaign is moving to territory that could be less favorable and more favorable to opponents, especially Donald Trump.  That includes New York.

According to brand-new Fox News polls this morning, Trump is leading the way in New York with 54 percent support among likely GOP primary voters.  John Kasich coming in second with 22 percent support and Ted Cruz is in third place with 15 percent support.

Joining me right now is someone who knows the state's Republican voters very well. Edward Cox is with us, chairman of the Republican Party of New York.

Ed, great to see you.


BARTIROMO: Thanks so much for joining us.

So, this is your turf.

COX: You bet.

BARTIROMO: The next two weeks is going to be so exciting. What are you expecting?

COX: Look, the Democratic primary is interesting, but the Republican one is going to be decisive. Those polls are about right. They've been confirmed by other polls. Donald Trump is over 50 percent. If he stays there, he may get the 80 of the 95 delegates he needs to have a chance to win on the first ballot. If he drops below 50 percent, the way our process works, then he's probably going to drop below that 80 delegates he needs and it would probably be an open convention.


COX: So, that's what's at stake here. And the first time in the history of Republican primaries in New York state, the Republican grassroots, when they vote, will make the difference.

BARTIROMO: This is really going to make a difference and put which ever candidate over the edge.

COX: And it's exciting. Hey, this is New York. How you eat your pizza makes a difference.

BARTIROMO: That infamous New York values comment from Ted Cruz, of course, that I asked him about in the Republican debate this year, it seems to have impacted him.

COX: You're right. He's certainly interpreted that that means values of Andrew Cuomo and Eric Schneiderman and Hillary Clinton.

BARTIROMO: And you may put Anthony Weiner on that one.

COX: Anthony Weiner is a must on that list. That's the way he's interpreting New York values. So, he's got some things to make up here.  Kasich, if he picks up delegates here, which he could, particularly in the upscale down state area, if he picks those up, he could get some momentum going in the convention if it were an open convention.

BARTIROMO: What a mistake for Ted Cruz to make to put this whole brush stroke on New York, that everybody has those -- that same sentiment as the list that you --

COX: Look, he's campaigning upstate of course. He was in Scotia and other places upstate. Up there, they call themselves apple knockers, knocking the Big Apple.


COX: So, maybe it plays. And, look, New York is a very diverse state demographically. That includes in the Republican Party. And so, they're all going to be campaigning in places where they think they're going to be able to pick up delegates and that's good for the party in New York State.  It makes it exciting for the first time in the history of primary -- Republican primaries in New York State.

BARTIROMO: You make a really good point because the counties are very different. So, go through New York and tell us where you think the real battlegrounds lie for Trump, Cruz, and Kasich.

COX: The most interesting battleground is New York City because in a metropolitan area, you have one-half of the delegates. You have one-half of the congressional districts, and only a small number of Republicans in each one of those congressional districts. Whoever has the better organization, figures out where they should campaign down state here, they could pick up a significant number of delegates and a significant number of delegates can make the difference whether Donald Trump gets 80 of the 95 or not.

BARTIROMO: So, what do you think is going to happen going into the July convention? Are you expecting an open convention, a contested convention?

COX: I -- Maria, I do not know. Anything can happen in this, particularly here in New York state and New York City, because this is the media capital of the country. What happens here is going to reverberate all across the country.

BARTIROMO: Comment for us on the Democratic side of the race, because this is also incredibly interesting. This is the most important situation for Hillary Clinton right now, senator from New York.

COX: You know, I got together with former Governor David Paterson who is chairman of the party at the time. And we fixed April 19th as the date so New York would be the only primary on April 19th, with this long lead up time with no other primaries. It's gotten as exciting on his side as on our side. It's working out the way we wanted to so the voters here in New York state will really have a chance, whether Democrat or Republican, to really weigh in on who their nominee should be.

BARTIROMO: Yes. I mean, we're going to talk with Luis Miranda from the Democratic National Committee next and get his take on New York.

But talk to us about the New York voter today. What is most important to the voter in New York? Is it the economy, national security? What are you hearing from constituents?

COX: Jobs, jobs, jobs. That's what really counts, particularly among Donald Trump supporters. They're concerned about their livelihoods.  They're concerned about they're not having the same income in real terms that they used to have. Their concerns about what foreign countries are doing the jobs here in the United States.

But that goes across the boards, not just for Donald Trump supporters, particularly here in New York state where we have a really failing climate for businesses. The issue of jobs is the big overarching issue. Now, there are a lot of other sub-issues depending upon where you are. But that's the main issue.

BARTIROMO: Failing climate for business. Explain that for us. What do you mean by that?

COX: We're the least business-friendly state in the United States.

BARTIROMO: Because of taxes?

COX: Well, taxes, regulations, putting the minimum wage up at $15 when across the board in Pennsylvania, it's half that. Businesses with unskilled labor will move across the border. It's a issue of jobs.

New York Democrats who are in control of this state and New York City are very progressive. They want to prove they're progressive, but in the process they're killing jobs. That makes it a big issue.

BARTIROMO: So, you make a really good point. The $15 an hour, now you saw California do it as well. But to compare to a state like Pennsylvania, that is a real comparison because it's much lower.

COX: It's huge. Absolutely.

BARTIROMO: So, is that -- so, are people looking or businesses looking there to say, OK, this is going to be --

COX: Of course. Any business with unskilled labor that's planning ahead is going to say, look, I'm going to need a $15 minimum wage for my unskilled worker. I'm going to go across the border to Pennsylvania, where by the way, my workers also get EITC and SNAP and other supplements.  They'll be doing all right. But the $15 minimum wage is really a big tax on my business here in New York state.

BARTIROMO: Donald Trump has said that he doesn't think it should go to $15. We asked him that as well. And he's been talking about.

What's your sense of John Kasich right now? Twenty-two percent of the vote in New York in the second spot.

COX: Yes, New York is a place where he could do very well. Upscale down state, he always does well with more upscale voters, east side or west side of Manhattan or in certain parts of Brooklyn or the suburbs, I think he could do very well with a very aggressive campaign. Pick up delegates that would give him some momentum small momentum -- but some momentum going into the convention.

BARTIROMO: Were you surprised at the poll numbers that we received today?

COX: Not at all. That's where the polls are now.

BARTIROMO: I guess no surprise that Trump would be leading in New York in the GOP, the New York guy.

COX: Sure. This is his home state, but he's never gotten over 50 percent in any state. Now, this is a state where he could do it. But 54 percent is not overwhelming and he's normally closed somewhat down in actual votes from the final poll. So this makes it a very exciting race here in New York State.

BARTIROMO: Sure is. Really excited.

Ed, great --

COX: Great moment for the Republican Party here.

BARTIROMO: Great to see you. Thank you so much for joining us.

COX: Good to see you, Maria.

BARTIROMO: Ed Cox is chairman of the Republican Party of New York.

Bernie Sanders meanwhile racked up wins across the west. Can he translate that momentum to a victory on Hillary Clinton's home turf?

You can follow me on Twitter @Bartiromo, @SundayFutures. Let us know what you'd like to hear from Luis Miranda next.

Stay with us. We're looking ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures."


BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

Bernie Sanders winning yesterday's Democratic caucuses in Wyoming. The victory extending his winning streak now to seven out of the last eight contests, putting the wind at his back for sure with less than ten days to go until the delegate-rich New York primary. The Brooklyn native looking to gain ground there against frontrunner Hillary Clinton. All this as the former New York senator tries to regain momentum and avoid a possible game- changing upset in her adopted home state.

Joining me right now is Luis Miranda. He is the communications director for the Democratic National Committee.

Luis, good to see you. Thanks so much for joining us.


BARTIROMO: So, how do you characterize the battle for New York on the Democratic side right now?

MIRANDA: It's an important one. It's interesting having one of the two candidates having been born there, the other as her adopted home state.  It's going to be an exciting primary. And for us through the party lens, it's been great to watch these two candidates go out and compete in so many states, because it's energizing Democrats.

We have a situation right now where one of our candidates has actually earned more votes than Donald Trump. The other one's raised more money than any of the others from individual contributions. In fact, Hillary Clinton has more than Donald Trump. Bernie Sanders has more votes earned than John Kasich and Ted Cruz.


MIRANDA: And we're seeing a lot of enthusiasm. So, for us, the extended primary helps us to be able to test out and prepare the state parties to work towards the general election. So, we're seeing a lot of enthusiasm from this.

BARTIROMO: A lot of enthusiasm for sure. But nobody, very few people expected that Bernie Sanders would be riding this victory as strongly as he is. Do you worry more about Bernie Sanders taking the thunder from Hillary Clinton or about actual voter turnout? You say enthusiasm, but the numbers are actually down in terms of voters coming out.

MIRANDA: Wisconsin was actually a good indicator. You know, we had seven out of ten voters on the Democratic side in Wisconsin saying that they would be excited or optimistic with either of our candidates. And that's what we're seeing generally, is that we have a lot of enthusiasm on each side. But at the end of the day, I think we're going to come together very strongly at the convention.

Look, we did this in 2008. In 2008, it was easily the most contested primary we've had on the Democratic side. It was Senator Clinton at the time who nominated Senator Obama and called for voting him in by acclamation.

So, you have a dynamic where I think that at the end, we're heading towards a general election where we're going to come out very united. I'd rather have the week we had than the week where Republicans had, where you basically had a bunch of endorsements coming out for Ted Cruz that were holding their nose and basically you know, you had Ben Carson even on television saying of course there's people who are better qualified and this Idaho senator that simply didn't know what to say about having to endorse Ted Cruz.

So, I feel like we're going in, we'll be able to get united. Our candidates are going to have to show those differences between them and at the end of the day, we're going to come together at the convention in Philadelphia.

BARTIROMO: Do you think we will see a contested convention on the Democratic side?

MIRANDA: I don't believe so.


MIRANDA: There's still plenty of time, plenty of convention for both of our candidates to sort of figure out their strategies. Obviously, they have to determine how to run those and do that best. But I feel like we'll have this settled before the convention.

BARTIROMO: Yes. OK. I mean, there's so many things to talk about. But I want to really get your take on what the conversation is around the delegates, because there is this feeling out there that the game is rigged when it comes to Hillary Clinton because even though Bernie Sanders is winning in many contests, the popular vote, she keeps racking up all the delegates as if they have been programmed before the contest even began, the delegates and the super delegates.

MIRANDA: Well, you look at a situation with super delegates, they're only 15 percent of the overall delegates. And so, ultimately, the most important thing to determine who the nominee is going to be is the pledge delegates that are determined by the caucuses and primaries.

Super delegates don't actually vote until the convention. So, I think one of the things that happens a lot, the news organizations report super delegates as if those were vote totals when it's basically just an informal poll of these organizations calling up these super delegates and saying, hey, who do you support? The reality is they don't vote until the convention.

So, the only thing we should be looking at on any primary or caucus day is the total number of delegates. You have a situation yesterday where it's a small state and they have a relatively small number of delegates. So, the split at 55/45 gives them roughly the same number of delegates because you can't split a person in half. So, that's why you see that kind of dynamic at play.

But, look, we have proportional delegate distribution because it's a very Democratic process. And so, we feel very confident in the fact that we'll head into the convention with a clear difference in who the nominee is going to be and that we'll come together.

BARTIROMO: And what do you think is most important to New York voters going into the primary?

MIRANDA: The economy. I agree with Ed Cox that I think the economy continues to be important.


MIRANDA: I just think that we have to show the contrast and why Democratic leadership has been better.

You know, when President Obama came into office, you had the stock market had lost 50 percent of its pre-crisis peak value. And so, you look at where we are today with the strength of 73 months of job sector growth, I think anybody would take their chances in today's economy versus what we had when President Bush left office with 800,000 jobs being lost every month.

So, we have to draw that picture. We have to remind people what it was like when everyone was losing their homes and savings and there was this looming crisis and exploding crisis that really left our country in shambles and just how far we come and say, do you really want to go back with Republicans or do you want to move forward? And ultimately, we're having a spirited debate, but it's about how do we keep moving forward.  So, I think Democrats are going stronger.

BARTIROMO: Well, to be clear, the economy is sort of bumping along the bottom with about one percent and one 1/2 percent growth.

But the talking point and the messaging that you're talking right now, how do you get that out and let it resonate with the people so they actually come out and vote in this primary?

MIRANDA: We have to do a good job of organizing and getting out there and talking to voters. So, I do think that our candidates, they've got to compete with each other. They've got to draw those differences out between one another, but I do hope that they're out there also talking about the bigger picture of just how far we've come and sort of make these points about the economic progress we've made. They've got to be looking forwards the general election, even during the primary as we get further.

BARTIROMO: Yes, Luis, what -- Luis, what about the FBI investigation around Hillary Clinton? I mean, if this does go down a road that you obviously would not want to see like the FBI recommending an indictment or something like that. Is there a plan B for the Democrats?

MIRANDA: Look, I think that she's not the subject of an investigation.  And even the president --

BARTIROMO: Well, it's her server, right? Her server.

MIRANDA: Even the president himself said. I think one of the things that gets lost here is that government --

BARTIROMO: No, you said she wasn't the subject of the investigation.

MIRANDA: Yes, correct.

BARTIROMO: Of course, she's the -- it's her server. We know that.

MIRANDA: I think there's something that gets lost in all of this, which is that technology has moved very fast over the last 20 years. You look at the '90s, when the original Clinton administration was out, there wasn't much of an email. There wasn't even an Internet in the way that we have it today.

So, the government is still adapting to this. I think that's largely what we're seeing. But I feel that ultimately come the general election, people are going to be voting on the economy, on how far we've come, on what kind of direction we're going to take on foreign policy. You have a stark difference between our candidates and their ability to mobilize the world --


BARTIROMO: So, it sounds like there is no plan B, Luis?

MIRANDA: Well, I just don't think there's an issue there at all.

BARTIROMO: All right. We will leave it there.

Luis, good to have you on the program this morning. Thanks so much.

MIRANDA: Good to be on. Thanks, Maria.

BARTIROMO: Luis Miranda joining us from the DNC.

Startling revelations meanwhile about the terrorists who carry out the bombs in Brussels. The target they originally planned to hit and why they changed their plans.

We're looking ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures." Stay with us.


BARTIROMO: Welcome back. Belgian authorities saying that the terrorists behind the deadly bombings in Brussels originally planned to launch a second attack on Paris. They say a speedy investigation possibly pushed the terrorists to change their target. This comes as Mohamed Abrini who is linked to the Paris attacks confessed to being the man in the hat caught on surveillance video at the Brussels airport just before the bombing.

With me now is Sebastian Gorka, author of "Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War".

Dr. Gorka, good to see you. Thanks so much for joining us.


BARTIROMO: What is your takeaway to this arrest and now the knowledge that they continue to get about their initial targets and then changing their minds to go to Brussels?

GORKA: Well, a couple of things, Maria. The first is that this is evidence that we have a continent-wide conspiracy. So we have multiple cells across multiple countries that are connected to each other. So that's really bad news.

Secondly, there is a demonstration if this proves to be true that they have an inordinate level of flexibility. So they were going back to Paris to do another attack, they felt the pressure from law enforcement, and as a result, they completely changed their target set and went for Brussels as well. So, these aren't people that are having to obey some kind of instructions from the outside. They have the flexibility to pick targets.

And then lastly, the most disturbing thing are the statements from the interior minister that there are still probably elements of these cells at large in Europe. That's really the scariest part of it, Maria.

BARTIROMO: Yes, and in fact, officials found a whole cache of weaponry as well indicating that perhaps the planning continues. What should we know about these secret cells, whether it be throughout Europe and importantly in the U.S. as well?

GORKA: Well, what we need to do, just the facts of the case. So, at our company, we have the report on how many ISIS arrests in the U.S. more than 98 people arrested.

We know that 6,000 Westerners have been recruited by ISIS. So that includes Americans, Frenchmen, Germans, and the security services of Europe say at least 500 of them have come back into Europe. They went to Syria and Iraq to fight, but at least 500 are back on the continent. The big question is, how many of those 6,000 are Americans and are going to come back to U.S. soil to do a Paris or Brussels type attack?

BARTIROMO: You would think that as these arrests are happening, officials are finding out more and more about the background plans that these terrorists have in place.

GORKA: Well, yes, I mean, from the interrogations themselves. But there's a huge amount of information out there already. Is has an incredibly profession magazine called Dabiq. And it's their manual of jihad, and it has in it recipes on how to attack the infidels on U.S. soil, in Europe, who you should target first. So, there's an inordinate amount of information out there.

The question is, are we reading it, are we taking the necessary conclusions and the taking the precautionary actions that have to be taken. It seems as if some of these things are slipping through the net.

BARTIROMO: Yes, it's true. I mean, do you recommend policy changes at this point?

GORKA: Absolutely, yes. We are focusing on the wrong things. In the U.S., we have this countering violent extremism wrong. You don't want to stop individuals becoming jihadists, you want to take down the message of jihad and you want to monitor those hives of radicalization like this part of Brussels.

BARTIROMO: Makes a lot of sense. Dr. Gorka, always a pleasure. Thanks so much for joining us.

GORKA: Thank you.

BARTIROMO: We will see you soon, sir.

President Obama getting ready to unleash a flood of new regulations. We'll look at the potential impact on the economy as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures," next.


BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

The International Monetary Fund will publish its world economic outlook this upcoming Tuesday, ahead of its crucial spring meetings next weekend.  I sat down with managing director Christine Lagarde to talk about trends over the last six months, and concerns over Great Britain leaving the European Union.

Here's what she said about the economy today.


BARTIROMO: Have things worsened just in the last six months?

CHRISTINE LAGARDE, IMF MANAGING DIRECTOR: Yes. We think it does. Our baseline is a little bit lower. But what we see is the downside risks are certainly higher. And we advocate very strongly with a three-pronged approach and more cooperation between all the key players.

So, what we mean by that is structural reforms that people have been talking about which is about time to actually get done. Fiscal policy that has to be growth-friendly across the board and I'm not advocating, you know, fiscal stimulus, this is not where we are for the moment.

And third, monetary policy that supports all of that.

BARTIROMO: What has been the impact, economic impact from what we're seeing in Europe?

LAGARDE: Difficult to say because it's a bit early onto measure the economic impacts of the million plus refugees coming into Europe, predominantly in Germany. But our study shows if there is good integration, meaning language training, skills retraining eventually, housing support, facility to enter the job market, the benefit can be quite significant. We figure that it would be a plus 0.2 percent for the whole of the euro area and 0.5 percent. So, plus 0.5 percent for Germany alone.

But, of course, this is subject to proper integration, proper skill training for those people who are coming.

BARTIROMO: What is your take on Britain right now? We've got a referendum coming up June 23rd where they're deciding whether or not to exit the European Union. A year ago, people would have said no way. Now, people are saying wait a minute, they may actually leave. What are the implications if Britain leaves the E.U.?

LAGARDE: It's hard to say for me now because we are currently completing the study of that particular project. By it's very likely to be a net negative and a big concern because it's uncertainty. It opens the door to, you know, what will be the next regime in place for trade between the U.K. and the rest of the European Union? What will happen to the financial center of London if it works in isolation relative to the continent? Those are unanswered questions which open big uncertainties.


BARTIROMO: And joining us right now is Art Laffer, the founder and chairman of Laffer Associates and former economic advisor to President Reagan.

Art, good to see you.

ART LAFFER, FOUNDER AND CHAIRMAN OF LAFFER ASSOCIATES: Good to see you, Maria. How are you this morning?

BARTIROMO: Thank you so much for joining us. Great.

That was Christine Lagarde on "Mornings with Maria", the Fox Business Network's morning program, on Friday. And basically, she said the economy has worsened in the last six months. How would you characterize the economy right now?

LAFFER: Well, I think it has worsened in the last six months. And I think, to a large extent, she and the rest of the instruments in Europe are the problem. I mean, they're trying to more regulate, they're trying to more tax, more coordinate.

You know, free markets really are about the only way to solve these problems, Maria, and she clearly is not a free market supporter. She didn't mention tax rate reduction. She didn't mention anything that would be pro-growth. It's just ever and ever larger European government.

I sort of hope right now that Britain does exit the European Union. I mean, Brexit might really give Britain a chance to do a lot better.

BARTIROMO: Yes. Well, actually, she also mentioned that she's encouraging U.S. officials to raise the minimum wage.

LAFFER: There you go. I mean, yes. There you go.

BARTIROMO: Let's talk about that as well as regulation right now as it relates to the election, Art. Who of these candidates do you think has the right secret sauce, if you will, to roll back the regulations enough to actually create an environment that gets business to hire?

LAFFER: I think Donald Trump and Ted Cruz both have excellent chance of doing exactly that. In fact, this primary is a wonderful, wonderful exercise in democracy. And I think both of these candidates would do a great job. Hillary, on the other hand, is going exactly the opposite direction and we all know what direction Bernie's going. I mean, that's not going to solve anything. It's just going to create a bigger and bigger problem.

But I think this election is critical. I think the Republicans are going to win and I think you're going to get a huge change in the U.S. economy all for the better. But it will take some time.

BARTIROMO: Well, Maya MacGuineas from the Committee for a Responsible Budget, basically says Trump's plan is a bust because it's going to blowout the debt and Bernie Sanders' plan is a bust because it's going to blowout the debt.

So, the issue of how do you pay for the tax cuts and how do you pay for rolling back regulation, you say what?

LAFFER: Well, let me if I can -- I'm sure they would also say Ted Cruz's plan is a blowout for as well. You know, you got to get economic growth and even little changes in economic growth change the dynamics of revenues dramatically. We need growth far more than we need to address the deficit at present. What you really need to build that base of growth so that we can have surpluses in the future.

If you look at Bill Clinton, I mean, the wonderful administration Bill Clinton had, I mean, from '93 on, all predicated on the base built by Ronald Reagan. Those two presidents together really create add long period of prosperity, which ultimately brought us surpluses in the budget.

And, you know, I think that's the way to go. You don't want to balance the budget in one hour, one week, one month, one year. You want to create the prosperity that allows you to balance it over the long term. And, frankly, taxes take a while to operate and really change the structure of economic growth. And both Cruz and Trump have very good tax plans to guarantee that we do get that growth back and create jobs and not create welfare.

BARTIROMO: Yes, one is a flat tax and one is lowering the corporate rate.  I mean, I've seen both plans --

LAFFER: And lowering the personal income rate, too.


LAFFER: I mean, Trump does that too. I mean, both of them are just great tax plans and that's what we need. And that will give us the prosperity and the balanced budgets four, five, six, seven, eight years out.

BARTIROMO: Yes. Isn't it interesting that Bernie Sanders is doing as well as he has and he wants to raise $1.7 trillion in new taxes, Art.


BARTIROMO: We got -- yes, real quick.

LAFFER: It really amazes me about Bernie Sanders. What he's doing is he's attracting a lot of youth who are very disenchanted with the economy and the prospects. They just don't know the right answers and they've never had a paycheck. They don't know who FICA is, but why he's taking all of my money.


BARTIROMO: Who is that man FICA?

LAFFER: Who is that guy FICA?

BARTIROMO: Good to see you, Art. Thanks so much.

LAFFER: Good to see you, Maria. Thank you.

BARTIROMO: Art Laffer with the latest there.

Let's get a look at what's coming up, "MediaBuzz", top of the hour.

Howie Kurtz standing by.

Howard, good morning to you.

HOWARD KURTZ, "MEDIABUZZ" HOST: Good morning, Maria. We'll look at the coverage of the New York values campaign between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz and increasingly acrimonious and personal war of words between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

As well, "The Boston Globe" running this mock front page of all the terrible things that are going to happen in a Trump presidency.

And we got an interview with Jill Kelly. She was dubbed "the other other woman" in the David Petraeus sex scandal. She had done nothing wrong, but she was friendly with two top U.S. generals. She's speaking out now about the way she was treated by the press and the FBI.

BARTIROMO: Yes, that's a must watch. We will see you in about 20 minutes, Howie. Thank you so much.

Meanwhile, up next, no rest for Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and John Kasich in the city that never sleeps. They are battling for New York ahead of the state's primary. Our panel is here too talk about it as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures." Back in a minute with the all-star panel.



SEN. TED CRUZ, R-TEXAS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald's path to 1,237 is almost impossible. It's going to be a battle in Cleveland to see who can earn the majority of the delegates that were elected by the people. And let me tell you, in that scenario, I think we will go in with an overwhelming advantage.


BARTIROMO: Ted Cruz striking a confident tale there after snapping up 13 more delegates yesterday in Colorado. The three remaining Republicans are grinding for every last delegate right now as they face the growing facility of a contested convention come July.

Analysts say Donald Trump is the only candidate with a real chance of hitting that magic number of 1,237 delegates needed to clench the nomination. But his rivals are vowing to stay in the race insisting that once they get to Cleveland all bets are off.


GOV. JOHN KASICH, R-OHIO, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: These delegates are going to be -- because nobody's going to get there with enough votes, so there's going to be this convention and you're going to be spending a lot of time learning about how we pick a president. We've had ten contested Republican conventions, and only three times did the frontrunner get picked.



Let's bring in our panel on that. Ed Rollins is a former principal White House advisor to President Reagan and a FOX News political analyst. Hank Sheinkopf with us, a Democratic consultant on the Clinton/Gore campaign.  And Tony Sayegh is a Republican political strategist, executive vice president of Jamestown Associate and a FOX News contributor.

Gentlemen, good to see you. Thanks so much for joining us.

You just heard Ted Cruz, John Kasich, what's your takeaway?

ED ROLLINS, FORMER PRINCIPAL WHITE HOUSE ADVISER TO PRESIDENT REAGAN: John goes far back in history to get to those three. In modern times, it's pretty much a frontrunner or a chaser. In this case, my sense is really two people. John can make a deal maybe for vice president and have an impact, but certainly it's going to be Cruz or Trump. If Trump doesn't get it on the first ballot, Cruz is going to win.

Cruz is kicking his tail in a day to day element of the campaigns and Trump can't compete at this point in time. He has the big momentum, he has most delegates and may still be the nominee. But right today, he's losing every one of these singular battles for the delegates because Cruz's team is better.

BARTIROMO: Can Cruz win the general election?

ROLLINS: I don't know -- depends what kind of campaign they run. I would say that both of them begin as underdogs, but obviously, they're against a fairly weak candidate on the other side, too. So --

BARTIROMO: Yes. Hank, it's pretty extraordinary when you consider the fact it's not just the Republican side that actually could go contested convention, but the Dems as well.

HANK SHEINKOPF, FORMER CONSULTANT FOR THE CILNTON-GORE CAMPAIGN: On this program, we've talked about it. You know, truthfully, both parties are in very serious trouble. Their core is breaking up. The economic issues are overwhelming. Populism is the answer for people who can't figure out how to define these problems in a way that makes sense. That's what's going on both sides of the aisle.

BARTIROMO: And New York, as Ed Cox just told us, Tony, really critical right now for the overall election.

TONY SAYEGH, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Certainly for the two frontrunners for sure, Maria. If you think about Hillary Clinton, she's lost eight out of the nine last contests. That's a very devastating trajectory for someone who was supposed to have essentially a coronation to the nomination.

And to Hank's point, I don't know how much you can deny to the Bernie Sanders voter after this type of run that he has a legitimate chance of making it to the convention, sure, of course, the super delegate, in fact.

On the Republican side, Donald Trump has really kind of lost the edge he once had the more protracted battle this becomes to Ed's point about gaining delegates.

Cruz understands the mechanics here. He went to North Dakota. He went to Colorado. He's getting delegates in states he lost, like Arizona and Louisiana. It matters. He gets it much more than Trump which is why short of New York, Cruz right now is netting 130 more delegates out of the last four contests than Donald Trump. That's a big gain.

BARTIROMO: What about the New York values thing?

SAYEGH: It's certainly going to hurt him. I've heard it all over.  Certainly the state -- which is why Cruz right now is actually in third place in New York. But does New York matter to Cruz? I think is more important question. Even if Trump wins for the sake of the argument, every delegate in New York, all 92 plus delegates in New York, Cruz still with the last five contests with a plus 30 delegate advantage.

I think with Cruz, it's more a lot about Pennsylvania, Maryland, the western states, Nebraska, where he could do a lot better than people realize.

ROLLINS: And California. California has 53 congressional seats. It's all about congressional seats. It's 39 are Democrat, 14 are Republican. He has the former party types there, he has the conservatives there. It's not a state with any moderate Republicans anymore.

There's still nothing for Trump. Trump hired a good guy, Paul Manafort, a smart guy, but out of the game a long time. But that creates disarray in his campaign. And they've got two -- they have a Washington office, a New York office, and they've got a campaign manager that's turned out to be an apprentice and not a very good one.

And I think at the end of the day, you're going to see nothing but disarray for the remaining period here.

SHEINKOPF: Paul Manafort, a very smart guy, but the problem is somewhat different. The populist effect is much more significant among Republicans right now than Democrats. Bernie Sanders being leveled off. Hillary has a solid voting bloc, women over 40, African-Americans, the Republicans have to figure out how to make sure, the elites do, that Trump -- if he's going to lose that, loses by a significant number, because if it's close, that convention will be a real mess and the potential for violence is not insignificant.


ROLLINS: Hillary still has a very significant problem.

SHEINKOPF: No question about it.

ROLLINS: She can't get white men. Couldn't eight years ago, and still have great problem.

SAYEGH: And young voters.

BARTIROMO: Let's zero in on that next block, because Bernie Sanders now with more wind in his sail after picking up another victory this weekend.  How much does it mean heading into the New York primary? The panel back to discuss that after this short break.

We're looking ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures."


BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

Bernie Sanders racking up a win in Wyoming yesterday, extending his momentum in the race for the Democratic nomination. In the delegate count, Clinton is still far ahead, though, leading Sanders by almost 700. Still "Saturday Night Live" poked fun at the recent string of losses.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's true, I have not been winning as of late. In fact, I have not won a state in almost three weeks because that was the plan. I didn't want to win those, so I didn't. It humanizes me. I'm the underdog now. I'm this election's Rudy and like that. After all, I don't want to be a big old bee and win every single state. That's not fun.

But enough about the past. It's time to look forward to the future and right now, my focus is here in New York!


BARTIROMO: Oh, "SNL" always seems to get it right on.

ROLLINS: Great humor. But the idea that Hillary Clinton would loss Wyoming to me to Bernie Sanders is mindboggling. I would have sat on this show a year ago and said Bernie Sanders would chase her down the track and you never would have invited me back again.

BARTIROMO: Unbelievable. It is quite extraordinary, Hank. I mean, from the Democratic side of things, how do you look at this?

SHEINKOPF: She's losing in states where there are not large African- American voters, dominate something states voting patterns where there are lots of young people or people disaffected. She's kind of the anti- Democrat and he's kind of the pro-Democrat of all times. She's in the middle. Bernie Sanders is on the left.

In primaries, who tends to turn out? People with greater ideological fervor. That's one of the reasons that this is happening.

BARTIROMO: And he's pushing her even further to the left, Tony.

SAYEGH: Sure. And her problem is she's losing among growth demographics in the Democratic Party, not just young voters in terms of millennials, she's losing voters under the age of 40. In some of these states, she's losing single women who would be in the kind of mind of the conventional wisdom person a natural constituency for her.

The Democrats problem is not unity. I think when Hillary or if Hillary does get this nomination, they will unify as a party around her. Their problem is enthusiasm. And the Sanders supporters consistently see that their candidate, regardless of these over-performing victories by large margins in so many states still has no legitimate chance at this nomination. I think that takes away an enthusiastic element that she's going to need to carry in a general election.

ROLLINS: To that point, they talk about us and the establishment coming in and stealing it away from Trump.


ROLLINS: The establishment is what's going to get her over the top. The super delegates which are the congressmen, governors, what have you. Her margin today is about the establishment.

SHEINKOPF: It's a fix. The super delegates are absolutely a fix. And parties, you know, the research is pretty clear. Party elites tend to try to ensure that their candidate becomes the nominee. That is always the case.

But larger point, she's not doing well with white men, white men can decide this election. It's the Nixon map of 1968, Southern Protestants, Northern Catholics. Who are those Northern Catholics? They are white blue collar working class people living in the Midwest who are very angry, who are with Trump in many ways and who may, in fact, turn the tide in this election.

BARTIROMO: Yes, that's great point.

SAYEGH: And you bring up an earlier question. Sanders still having an effect on this election on Hillary certainly bringing her more to the left on trade, on the Keystone pipeline. She came out this week against fracking. Even President Obama supports fracking.

Bernie Sanders, many believe, single-handedly got the Treasury Department to implement this past week the new rules that stop the Pfizer/Allergan kind of inversion merger by writing the letter to Jack Lew. This guy is truly impacting the public policy debate today, much more than Hillary Clinton.

BARTIROMO: I think that's really smart. You're absolutely right, yes.

ROLLINS: Both parties have become not pro-business, always Republican, but anti-trade, anti-international. I mean, it's really an amazing thing to me. And it's -- I hope my party gets back on track again. Right now, it's --

BARTIROMO: Hillary is against TPP.

SHEINKOPF: This is a non-ideological world. It's picking. It's kind of like a menu in the restaurant. You pick what the poll tells you to do and do you that and you hope the voters respond.

ROLLINS: The difference is nobody wants either one of these people on the menu.

SHEINKOPF: That's true. That's part of it.

ROLLINS: The most unpopular candidates ever.

BARTIROMO: What do you think about the way Luis Miranda answered me when I said, look, do you have a plan B in terms of, you know, we don't know where this FBI investigation is going. So, you know, what about plan B? Bernie Sanders people have to be upset that he keeps winning the popular vote and she comes up with all the delegates and super delegates?

SAYEGH: Well, I'm not an attorney. But I will say that Hillary's statements almost outlandishly saying there is no way this investigation is going to result in anything. How does she know? I mean, is she getting information that majority of the public -- I mean she is under two criminal investigations by the FBI into her conducts into both her server and the Clinton Foundation donations. And yet, she talks about it as if it's some sort of nonevent.


SAYEGH: It really does raise the question, is the fix really in on that?

BARTIROMO: It's clear that party has come together with this understanding that the talking point is she's not under investigation, it's her server.


ROLLINS: It's a right-wing conspiracy.


BARTIROMO: Somebody better get that server quick.

SAYEGH: The objects are not the subject of the FBI investigation.

SHEINKOPF: The world of pundits and the world of media are not interested in that anymore. What they're interested right now is the horse race.  Though matters don't matter and real analysis of what they're saying doesn't matter either. It's the horse race. It's the delegate count.  It's kind of what happens on a daily basis.

BARTIROMO: Are you surprised that Trump is getting a women vote in New York? That's what our poll say this morning.

ROLLINS: He's still down ten points for men. New York is a different place. This is his turf.

BARTIROMO: Yes, it sure is. We take a short break. Still to come, one thing to watch in the week ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures" from our panel, next.


BARTIROMO: Back with the panel.

And everybody on the panel is watching New York. That's going to be the upcoming contest to watch. Where do they go now, Tony Sayegh?

SAYEGH: Pennsylvania is going to be critical. That's a jump ball for all three Republicans. They're awe kind of close together. So, that's where I'm looking at.

BARTIROMO: All right. We will leave it there. Tony, great to see you.  Hank, good to see you. Ed Rollins, always a pleasure. Thank you, gentlemen.

That will do it for us on "Sunday Morning Futures" this morning. I'm Maria Bartiromo. I'll see you tomorrow on the Fox Business Network's "Mornings with Maria", 6:00 to 9:00 a.m. Eastern.

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