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Ted Cruz calls Wisconsin a 'turning point'; Donald Trump calls Cruz a 'Trojan horse'

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 6, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: That make any sense. Hello, I'm Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and a match box is her credenza -- Dana Perino, "The Five." You don't know what a credenza is?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I don't have one.

GUTFELD: The "lying king" got the lion's share:

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SEN. TED CRUZ, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Tonight is a turning point. It is a rallying cry. It is a call from the hard working men and women of Wisconsin to the people of America…. Of the 17 candidates who started this race, a terrific talented dynamic field, five have now endorsed this campaign…. We've got the full spectrum of the Republican Party coming together and uniting behind this campaign.

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GUTFELD: So how did Trump lose this bad? The same reason he's been doing so good. It took someone as bullheaded as Trump to smash the PC culture, make valid points and reach millions. But it is the same bullheadedness that is resisting a change in the course -- in course. Trump has earned the loyalty of many, but he's squandering it, making them think they might remove that tattoo before the ink dries. He keeps making supporters scramble, explain and backtrack. Again, has there ever been a candidate who needs so many volunteer spokesmen? And as brilliant a marketer he is, he really misread how to scale his product beyond a narrow target market. Ignoring the guardrails of criticism, he's surrounded by those who only nod. Too many yes-men ends in a sound no from everyone else. Let's go to his concession speech:

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GUTFELD: Oops, he didn't give one. Rather than say something humble, gracious and funny, he released a weird, angry statement. His message, nothing is ever his fault and he calls Cruz a Trojan horse. But a Trojan horse is someone who acts one way to get in and then acts another way after. Like telling people you'll deport millions, and then winking at the press. His reactions are impulsive and it foretold what would happen when the race narrowed, it gets old.

But Wisconsin isn't the end and it could be a new beginning for Trump. Right now, old Trump can't win the general, but maybe new Trump can. He'll need help and not from the usual suspects.

All right Dana, is this a turning point for Mr. Cruz?

PERINO: That's what he called it. And he said at the turning point, a rallying cry and he gave a speech last night in which he finally, I think started to say that he had a general election message and he ended by saying Hillary Clinton, here we come and (inaudible) applaud. He was able to take a deficit of, to Donald Trump in February and turn that around to a very significant win yesterday in Wisconsin. A couple of things I noticed last night in the exit polls, that for the first time in this contest, Cruz beat Trump among non-college degree holding and blue collar voters, those had usually all gone to Trump. The other thing that Cruz was able to pick up last night in Wisconsin that he not elsewhere was somewhat conservative. Very conservative have mostly been with him, but he also added somewhat conservative to that -- to his win. And so, I don't know if he can keep that going, but his -- the momentum certainly was feeling like it was on his side last night.

GUTFELD: Kimberly, what are your thoughts?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: You know, I'd say your monologue, your hedged your bets, (inaudible) style, because you're saying that he could come back from this, which, of course, that he is still the front- runner, right?

GUTFELD: Right.

GUILFOYLE: And he got a tremendous game advantage going forward with the states that are remaining on the play. So if he can do what he needs to do, run the table in New York at over 50 percent, that's going to be very strong positioning for him as well. Pennsylvania, California, there's still a lot of play left here. Yeah, perhaps maybe a concession speech done in the right way would have been helpful, but I think right now it is all about focusing on strategy, what you need to do going forward. Because in the meantime, like when someone leaves the state and there is still some carcass with some meat left on it, Cruz is going back in. He is picking it.

GUTFELD: Yup.

GUILFOYLE: He's picking it clean, and he's getting more delegates, and he is saying, OK, this is what I'm going to do. So that's his strategy going forward. And in the end, yeah, all the delegates are going to matter. It's going to be a numbers game down to the finish line in it. What I see here is that with New York especially, if Kasich and Cruz can work together in some meaningful way to be able to prevent Donald Trump for getting the 50 percent, that's going to be helpful ultimately to Cruz.

GUTFELD: Good point.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: Eric, what do you think? You think he needs to change any kind of strategy or --?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Who, Trump?

GUTFELD: Yes, Trump.

BOLLING: No. He's winning. So you're --in your monologue you said his supporter, he leaves his supporters needing to scramble and explain. Do you realize 21 million votes have been cast on the GOP side? And 8.3 million have been cast for Donald Trump? That means 8.3 million people, you just said, I guess say need to scramble and explain. I think they might beg to differ with you. Trump is getting 39 percent of the vote. Cruz is getting 30 percent of the vote. Trump is getting 45 percent of the delegates. Cruz is getting 32 percent of the delegates. The guy is still winning, and as Kimberly astutely points out, April 19th, he might end up with 95, all of them in New York. And April 26, a week later, 175 delegates, he's winning in every single. According to RealClearPolitics, every single one of those contest, so --

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BOLLING: Re-evaluate that after those two weeks.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: . perhaps. Now, if he comes out of those two weeks with substantially fewer delegates than what it looks like right now, then maybe, yeah. Then maybe you have to go very hard for that January -- I'm sorry, June 7th, California and couple of big states.

GUTFELD: Juan, though, should he have done a speech after?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Yeah, I think, look, it's not that he needs the air time, but i think it would have looked good. And also, he had a real message. His real message afterwards came in that -- I guess it was an e-mail in which he said --

GUILFOYLE: He sent the letter out, yeah.

WILLIAMS: He thought that Trump -- he thought that Cruz was not just a puppet, but a Trojan horse for the GOP establishment. And if he wants to make that case, he can make it because there is a lot to be said about the kind of Super PAC's that came in to support Ted Cruz in Wisconsin. So, I think there is a legitimate argument here. He didn't want to make it. That is, it made it look as if he was, you know, his mouth had sour grapes in it and he was staying away from the cameras and just angry. But I think the key point here for me is, it's now going to be harder for him to get the 1327, the number needed to achieve outright victory before the convention. This makes it more likely, we're going to have an open convention. And then you'll going to be in for all kinds of shenanigans, as Eric regularly points out. So what happened last night is Cruz really doesn't have a chance to win outright. But he is now, he and the republican establishment succeed in blocking, stop Donald Trump at all costs and he stopped in Wisconsin. I don't think they can stop him to pick up on Kimberly's point. I don't think they can stop him in New York. I don't think they can stop him in what they call you sell a card here on the east coast. He's going to do pretty well. But what we did see today in polls that Ted Cruz is up 20 points on national polls? So maybe, maybe people, maybe the three quarter - - or was it two-thirds of republicans who don't vote for Donald Trump, you know, are coalescing. Will Cruz be that unity candidate? I don't know.

BOLLING: There are 70 percent aren't voting for Ted Cruz.

WILLIAMS: Well --

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BOLLING: I mean that who aren't voting for is such a misnomer. I mean, it's his -- whatever. Look, you're right on all of those points, but why say they stopped Donald Trump in Wisconsin with 42 delegates when you have 300 delegates coming up in a couple weeks that are heavily in favor of him? I mean --

WILLIAMS: Oh no, look --

BOLLING: Does that -- that's the argument he made after those (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: There's a good -- look, the demographics in Wisconsin should have been helpful to Donald Trump.

BOLLING: Why?

WILLIAMS: Oh.

BOLLING: Why is that?

WILLIAMS: The working class work --

PERINO: Where they were exactly the same demographics as Michigan. If you look down -- what?

BOLLING: Yeah.

PERINO: Do you want to disagree with me?

BOLLING: No, no.

PERINO: Because that is accurate.

BOLLING: No, no. I'm saying Wisconsin is a very liberal state.

PERINO: But --

BOLLING: Very, very liberal state --

WILLIAMS: Not among the republicans.

PERINO: No, but in Michigan, if you look at -- yeah. If you look -- in Michigan, if you look at the income level, the number of people voting in the primary that were $100,000 or less in annual salary.

BOLLING: Right.

PERINO: It's the same. Evangelicals, that the same, somewhat conservative, the same with -- the -- a month ago, a very good argument by the Trump campaign was that they would do well in the those rustbelt states. With Michigan and Wisconsin looking very similar, that could have actually been true in Wisconsin. But something did happen between February and last night. And Trump had been up in the polls against --over Cruz in Wisconsin by about 8 to 9, almost eleven points in February, and that flipped in April. So, I would say -- yes, I would suggest that might show that you might need a change. I think there's another point that should be made here, which is, when you're a lifelong republican, you've always voted republican. You want so much to win the White House next year. You're looking at electability. Cruz won that last night for the first time also. But -- and because Rubio had won before, so he's benefiting from other people not fit in the race.

GUILFOYLE: That's very true.

PERINO: There was a report yesterday in Politico that we're not just -- we're not just as valid by the Trump campaign about a lack of infrastructure and campaign stats in key states like Ohio, which is they must-win state. If you are -- you have a responsibility as a front-runner or even like the second or third in command, that you have to be able to run a good campaign in those key states and you can't turn that on just like that in August. You got to be there every single day, picking up as many as you can, because if the election comes down like it usually does, to Ohio, you have to be in. So there's -- I think there's definitely change at the trump campaign needs to make. And I think Trace Gallagher, actually -- tonight, has a report that there are rumors that there are staffs going to be added.

WILLIAMS: While even before you get to the general, don't forget the hunt for those uncommitted delegates among republicans. So Cruz is out there in that contest because he has the staffing infrastructure right now. He has people on the ground. Plus he has, they help him with republican establishment. They're going after those uncommitted delegates. Trump, Trump is losing even in states where he won the majority of the vote. He's losing delegates.

BOLLING: There's a good reason to back and support Ted Cruz, and there are other reasons to back and support ted Cruz. Our friends, Glenn Beck, Mark Levin are backing Ted Cruz because they like his constitutional conservatism. They like the guy. They like his message. That's the reason you back Ted Cruz, and I get that, and I would agree with them on that. But this whole idea of backing Ted Cruz, so you get a contested convention, you can play around with who knows.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: . on what happens at the convention is the wrong reason to back Ted Cruz. You're dividing the Republican Party that will only guarantee or -- a seriously assist of Hillary Clinton POTUS 45 by doing so. And that's just my opinion.

PERINO: But I -- well, can I disagree with that on one thing.

BOLLING: Sure.

PERINO: . on this is electability point, because in all of the polls, in fact, Kirsten Powers was asked last night. Who do you think that Hillary Clinton would most want to run against now? Just four months ago, in January, February, the Hillary campaign was saying, "My gosh, we don't want to run against Trump." Now they've changed their tune because they see the polls consistently show that she would beat him by about 11 points. The only person that she -- the only person she lose to and compared to Cruz and even Kasich. So, I think that there is a point to be made on the general election thing. If you were Glenn Beck or Mark Levin, or any other sort of lifelong republican that is saying, "I want to preserve the chance to win." And that would be another reason to support someone that could beat her.

BOLLING: Yeah, but it's the establishment getting behind Cruz because they want to back Cruz.

GUILFOYLE: What's the motivation behind --

BOLLING: Back Cruz going forward.

PERINO: I feel like an establishment -- but our -- is Glenn Beck -- are Glenn Beck and Mark Levin now considered establishment?

BOLLING: I said no.

GUILFOYLE: No.

PERINO: Because the word has become meaningless.

BOLLING: I said no.

GUILFOYLE: No.

BOLLING: I clearly define the difference between the right people and the right reasons to back Cruz and back (inaudible).

GUILFOYLE: Well, they've been supporting from the beginning, because he the constitutional conservative.

BOLLING: . and the establishment. The Karl Rove, the Lindsey Graham, the other people who are lifelong republican establishment in D.C. will back him, not because they like. Lindsey Graham said he wouldn't, he wouldn't help him if Ted Cruz was choking on the Senate floor.

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BOLLING: I mean now he's backing him. We know what the reasons for.

GUILFOYLE: You're talking about people that are coalescing with their nose kind of like pinched saying I'll do it because I don't want the alternative.

GUTFELD: The lesser to evil.

PERINO: But why isn't that a good reason?

GUTFELD: Yeah, that's --

PERINO: It is a perfectly good reason.

GUILFOYLE: It's a strategy. It is a strategy to then get to a convention, to have it contested, to then put in someone that they perceive as to be more moderate and more electable in a general. So that maybe was happening. There are a lot of articles written about that, that this is like, you know, use job, that they'll use like Cruz and Kasich to get them in to the convention, and then put forward somebody else like a Paul Ryan or who knows.

GUTFELD: All right. We have to go. Another front-runner did unfair. Well, last night, Hillary Clinton lost again to Bernie Sanders. She took some new swipes at him today -- the secretary versus the socialist, ahead.

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PERINO: Nice dancing, Kimberly.

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PERINO: I was just settling, by the way.

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PERINO: All right. It was another rough night for Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders decisively won Wisconsin's democratic primary scoring his sixth straight victory. He is now more confident than ever that he can pull off an upset in Clinton's home state of New York in two weeks. Listen.

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BERNIE SANDERS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Momentum is starting this campaign 11 months ago, and the media determining that we were a fringe candidacy. Momentum is starting the campaign 60 to 70 points behind Secretary Clinton. Within the last couple of weeks, there have been national polls which have had us 1 point up or 1 point down. I believe we've got an excellent chance to win New York and a lot of delegates in that state.

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PERINO: Today, the front-runner cast doubt on Sanders' qualifications, to be president, arguing he hasn't done his homework on how to break up big banks. She's hoping voters would agree.

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HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think that what he has been saying about the core issue in his campaign doesn't seem to be rooted in an understanding of either the law or the practical ways you get something done. And I will leave it to voters to decide who of us can do the job that the country needs, who can do all aspects of the job, both on the economic, domestic issues, and on national security, and foreign policy.

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PERINO: All right, Juan. Can you fill us in? What are the democrats thinking?

WILLIAMS: Well, I mean that everybody is counting delegates, republicans and democrats. And last night, Sanders got 45 delegates. You hear all his talk. You think, couldn't got zip, but no. Clinton got 31 delegates. So in terms of the absolute numbers, not much of a catch-up by Bernie Sanders last night, but what Bernie Sanders is talking about momentum, that's very real. Bernie Sanders, not only momentum in terms of winning, in terms of money. Remember, he outspent Hillary Clinton, I think by more than $1 million in Wisconsin. He is coming into New York and he is gonna outspent Hillary Clinton. He's gonna have edge on the ear. He's going to appeal to those young people who are so passionate about him. The question is what happens with the minority voters? He lost minority voters in Wisconsin, but there are very few minority voters. It's a very white and liberal, heavy liberal state. Kimberly was telling me -- how with they -- what they, the voters in -- they said Bernie is about right when it comes to --

GUILFOYLE: About right, but then it was 8 percent, Dana said that are --

PERINO: We actually had it. I can pull it up here, Juan.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, pull it up.

PERINO: . because, we missed you last night on election night coverage. Let's see, I think we have the tape. So voters last night in Wisconsin, Democrats thought that he was just about right when it came to being liberal enough, 63 percent; 8 percent said he is not liberal enough, which I don't even know how you said.

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PERINO: . to the left.

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GUILFOYLE: So scary.

WILLIAMS: So, right.

GUILFOYLE: So scary.

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WILLIAMS: So that's pretty wonderful for dairy land, but it's going to happen in New York, not with Wall Street right here. They -- people think he is pretty liberal, if not a socialist. In fact, he is. So I think it is a different equation, but the ads are coming in, the passion is coming in. You'll gonna have all the Hollywood celebrity times who are gonna who, you know, romance, and they're going to be on stage. It's going to be interesting. Do I think he can win here? Today is April 6th, it's my grandson's birthday, happy birthday, Eli.

GUILFOYLE: Happy Birthday.

WILLIAMS: But I don't think he can win here.

PERINO: Let me ask you Kimberly, does she have enough leftover affection and appeal in New York from her time as Senator here? Like for -- regardless of the other things that she's done since as secretary of state. Do the New Yorkers and the democrats like her?

GUILFOYLE: Well, I don't know. I mean she certainly has enough people that, you know, she's had influence with, and that she's developed relationships with. They'll all come out to support her. But I tell you what; she'd better not lose New York, her home state. I mean, that's a huge problem. How do you lose when you're a senator here? You saw what happened with Marco Rubio with Florida. She's got to do well here, that's why she packed up, left the cheese state. Same here he was doing with a women's form in Brooklyn before all the votes were even cast in Wisconsin. So she was leading the leaves there. She's got to start attacking him. She's got to go art of war and like (inaudible) on. I mean, just like chop this guy up, because he was supposed to be out of it, already by now. It was kind of a joke. Was it like a Saturday Night Live thing? Not so funny anymore because he's out-pacing here. He's got more momentum. He appears to have more stamina. And you know this -- definitely in terms of the key demographic, he has motivated followers that are out there that want to be behind him. And he's got more cash.

PERINO: But should he change the way he attacks her, Eric?

BOLLING: Here's what I think is happening.

GUILFOYLE: They want to win.

BOLLING: After last night, and Juan points that although Bernie Sanders had a big win on the number of votes and percentages and all that, he had very, very miniscule moving up in the -- and I think it was 10. I could be wrong. But I think it was only 10 additional delegates from last night. I'm not positive with numbers.

PERINO: It's all right.

BOLLING: What I do know, though, is she only needs after last night, 32 percent of the vote going forward; 32 percent of the delegates going forward.

WILLIAMS: Yup.

BOLLING: It is basically in the bag for her. Especially when you turn to the northeast where the black vote is much more substantial than it was in a state like Wisconsin.

WILLIAMS: Or go out to California.

BOLLING: Or California there as well. I think what Bernie does, though, he keeps playing this game. He keeps raising the money, playing the game, playing the guy, the likable guy. And in the event, as unlikely it is a maybe, in the event she gets indicted, he steps right in there and he's their hero, he's the democrat that no one can take down.

PERINO: Interesting. Let me ask you a question about national security, because Kimberly a while ago brought that up. Earlier today, he was asked by somebody -- a reporter. What he would do if they captured a terrorist. What -- sort of like, what would they do next? Will there be interrogation or what. And he said, "You know I haven't really given that a lot of thought."

GUTFELD: Of course not, of course that this is not a priority. The problems in the world when it comes to progressive are within our own borders. Everything else -- we are the cause of all the earth's problems, 73 percent of his voters -- of his supporters are under 45-years- old. That means, they know about as much on economic matters as do I about dunking a basketball. And people we know -- we, people, we talk about, you know people being worried about Trump. You should worry about Sanders, because his rise reflects the misconceptions about our economic system, that somehow this system is flawed. It's -- and maybe, but it's the best system we have. I mean, these are people who think a free market, you know is a thrift shop that sells vegetables. They have absolutely no knowledge on how the world works. And it's -- Sanders is a nice guy. He is fun to listen to, but he symbolizes an ignorance, an ignorance about how the world works.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: Who would have thought that you're backing Clinton?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but --

GUTFELD: I know, hard to believe.

GUILFOYLE: You know why, because he doesn't want another like virtual reality president. She like cartoon today with President Obama, like the virtual reality, it's that funny? Like oh, the economy is great. No threat from ISIS and I'm great. Everything in the world -- you need someone who is like a realist who actually has thought about what we need to do as it relates to national security and foreign policy. We can afford this.

PERINO: And we still -- we would like to have Bernie Sanders here. Right, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Big time.

GUTFELD: I --

WILLIAMS: Big --

GUTFELD: I would love to talk to him. Even though I hate his policies, he seems like a barrel of laughs.

WILLIAMS: Right here, right here.

GUILFOYLE: Come see us some time, Bernie.

WILLIAMS: Come, visit.

PERINO: All right, we'd love to have you, Bernie. Still to come, the "Fastest 7," but first, so President Obama used his White House microphone to mock Donald Trump, again. What's he hitting the republican front-runner now? That -- we'll have that when "The Five" returns.

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GUILFOYLE: President Obama took some new swipes at the GOP candidate, yesterday, specifically, a Trump's plan to get Mexico to pay for a wall.

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BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: I am getting questions constantly from foreign leaders about some of the wackier suggestions that are being made. It's not just Mr. Trump's proposals. I mean, you are also hearing concerns about Mr. Cruz's proposals. The implications with respect to handing remittances, they are impractical. The notion that we're going to track every Western Union, you know, a bit of money that is being sent to Mexico. You know -- good luck with that.

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GUILFOYLE: OK. The president frequently takes the opportunity to voice his criticism of the GOP front-runner.

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OBAMA: They tell us that the person who made the statements doesn't know much about foreign policy, or nuclear policy, or the Korean peninsula, or the world generally.

We have heard vulgar and divisive rhetoric aimed at women and minorities. At Americans who don't look like us, or pray like us, or vote like we do. As a citizen who will still be leading this office, I will not support somebody who practices that kind of politics.

MATT LAUER, NBC'S "THE TODAY SHOW" HOST: Can you imagine Donald Trump standing up one day and delivering a State of the Union address?

OBAMA: Well, I can imagine that in a Saturday night skit.

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GUILFOYLE: Well, but does it actually helps Trump, rather than hurt him? What do you think, Eric?

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BOLLING: I don't think it helps Trump by any means. I mean, Trump is getting it from all angles. He's getting it from democrats. He's getting it from the competitors in the GOP race. He's getting it from the establishment. And now you have the president of the United States, basically trashing him, taking time. And I just could -- may point this out. Taking time out of a press conference he gave about tax inversion, about how white companies are leaving the United States to go to foreign countries where the tax rates are lower.

And what was lost in that whole thing, Obama probably loved the question, because it got -- it didn't allow anyone to ask the real question. Why would you punish companies that want to do this when the smarter way to do -- do what you're trying to do, accomplish companies staying in America, will be dropping our own tax rates so we're competitive rather than fining them or trying to find a way to punish them for doing so.

It's ridiculous. And if Trump were smart and, frankly, all the GOP candidates were smart, they'd say Obama has it exactly backwards. And he proved it at that press conference.

GUILFOYLE: Dana.

PERINO: Absolutely correct on the tax code. And actually, the corporate tax rate, President Obama did, a couple of budgets ago, propose a 27 percent rate. It's now at 39 percent, which makes companies want to leave America and go somewhere else. So that's not good for anybody in America.

So Obama proposed 27 percent. The Republicans proposed 25 percent. And then, as I understand, I guess they couldn't come to a deal, and I would assign blame, I guess, to both sides, because they couldn't find a vehicle to get it through the Congress. But that problem could be solved, and they wouldn't have had to have that press conference yesterday.

But I would say, overall, if I were President Obama, my advice would be to do what we did in 2008, which is you draw a red line that you actually don't allow to be crossed. And you say, "I'm not going to talk about the candidates. I'm not talking about the campaign. I am not going to do it."

And you have to be very disciplined. But if you do that, you can then hold the line. And then in August or September, after there's clear nominees, if you want to go out and campaign for the Democrat, great. But until then, I wouldn't do it.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I don't think he can get away with this, saying, "I'm not going to comment on the primary process, and let's wait till there's a nominee." What do you think? Is it beneath the president to discuss it and to make these criticisms?

WILLIAMS: No. This is what the news is. The news is all about the campaign. More news about the campaign than about what's going on in Washington.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe he doesn't like that.

WILLIAMS: and his numbers are actually up. I think he's like 49 percent. That's a big...

BOLLING: Fifty-two.

WILLIAMS: Fifty-two.

PERINO: His numbers are very good.

WILLIAMS: Yes. His numbers are good. So I think people are appreciative. And let's just go over the record. You know, he was asked the question about it. He didn't bring it up. The second...

PERINO: Yes. But you don't to have answer it.

WILLIAMS: Right, but he answered it. He -- somebody asked.

And secondly, what does Trump propose? That we pull out of NATO, that we allow Japan and South Korea to get their own nuclear weapons, that -- he said that Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction. He has the praise, and he praises Vladimir Putin. To me, I'm like, what? Are you kidding me? If you're a foreign leader, no wonder foreign leaders are going up to Obama and saying, "What is going on?"

PERINO: That's true.

BOLLING: Can I just throw this out there: Do you know how many segments we've seen on his tax inversion plan that's horrible for business? None. Zero.

WILLIAMS; Are you changing the topic?

BOLLING: No. My point is, Dana's point is that he was happy to be able to get that Trump question, because we've done four -- all I've seen all the last two days are segments on why Trump is the topic of conversation with the president. Not why not President Obama's own tax inversion policy is going to drive companies even further away from America.

WILLIAMS: Well, I would say the current policies are driving them away. We've got to fix it.

GUILFOYLE: Third time. Greg.

GUTFELD: If President Obama condemned Brussels sprouts, I would start eating Brussels sprouts immediately. And I hate Brussels sprouts.

GUILFOYLE: Have you had them with bacon? They're amazing.

GUTFELD: No. I will try that. Everything with bacon is great.

This is coming from an individual who, before he was president, was a community organizer. Who palled around with Bill Ayres and Reverend Wright. So him talking about lack of experience on Donald Trump is a little rich. And he has no right to be critical. There's a lot of arrogance about his criticism, because it's so dismissive. It's very dismissive.

This is the guy who really did Syria a solid, speaking of red lines. Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dead people, and he thinks that that -- that somehow the Syria policy has been successful. So he has no reason to basically give any advice. And there you go.

GUILFOYLE: Done. There would be two President Clintons in the White House if Hillary Clinton makes it there. But Bill would get another title. First something. Hear Hillary list some options in "The Fastest Seven," next.

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BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...

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GRAPHIC: Fastest 7

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BOLLING: ... "The Fastest Seven Minutes on Television." Three luring stories, seven lively minutes, one legit host.

First up, the first gentleman, the first dude? Hillary is struggling to find just the right nickname for her husband if she's elected president.

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JOY BEHAR, CO-HOST, ABC'S "THE VIEW": So when you win, when you win...

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: OK.

BEHAR: ... what's Bill going to be called? The first husband? You know, what -- first grandpa? First Pop-Pop? What's he going to be called?

CLINTON: Well, I mean, we really should run kind of a contest, because some people have said, obviously, first gentleman. That kind of fits.

BEHAR: Yes.

CLINTON: Others have said, first mate. Which I thought was kind of...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I like that.

CLINTON: Others have said first dude.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First dude.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's what I would call him.

CLINTON: Yes.

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BOLLING: I don't know. I was thinking something like the first ladies' man. Or how about, "Here comes Bill. Hide your kids, hide your wife."

Greg, you had some interesting ones.

GUTFELD: Yes, I had a lot, but you know what's the irony is. People who get nicknames are usually in jail. So I think Hillary should be thinking about her nickname. And it's always funny. In jail they call Tiny when you're really, really big.

But you know what? The best nickname for Bill is Bill, because he's always in your drawers.

BOLLING: I love that. Dana.

PERINO: I like the symmetry of first lady and first gentleman. To me, that makes sense. But I think that officially, if we're going to do this, America, that that should be what it is.

But notice also in this, this is "The View." They like her; they're helping her. She gets a chance to be charming. Like all the entertainment world is going to help her try to get to the finish line in November. All of them.

BOLLING: Yes. That's the question, Juan. What is the first guy's name? Now what about these e-mail scandals?

WILLIAMS: You know, he's always going to be Bill Clinton. He's always going to be "Mr. President." And I think that people will refer to him as "Mr. President."

PERINO: I don't -- if I were her, I wouldn't like that.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but it's a fact, because he was president. In fact, he's president's wife (ph). But I'm -- Greg.

GUTFELD: yes.

WILLIAMS: Come on, man. Give me something better than that.

GUTFELD: Bill, because he's always in your drawers? That's a pretty good one.

WILLIAMS: No, a better one.

GUILFOYLE: Can't say that.

PERINO: I censored him.

GUTFELD: Yes, there was another one I couldn't use.

BOLLING: What you got, K.G.?

GUILFOYLE: Please don't provoke him anymore. His id is already fragile.

OK. What would I call him? I like first gentleman.

BOLLING: Yes?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I think that's a good idea. I mean, it's appropriate.

GUTFELD: Is he a gentleman?

BOLLING: Would you stay right there?

GUILFOYLE: Or not now. Later.

BOLLING: Will you stay right there for this one?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: Entitlement mania sweeping the country, thanks in part to the socialist running for the Democrat nomination. Case in point: this young woman is demanding Florida Governor Rick Scott dish out more free stuff; that as she sips the $7 latte in front of her $1,000 laptop.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don't care about working people. I'm not talking to you. You don't care about working people. You should be ashamed to show your face around here.

GOV. RICK SCOTT, FLORIDA: A million jobs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A million jobs? Wait. Who here has a great job? You strip women of access to public health care. Shame on you, Rick Scott. Shame on you, Rick Scott. You're an embarrassment to our state.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: A brat.

GUILFOYLE: What a loser. What a loser. I mean, you go to Starbucks for, like, lattes and she's like a screaming hyena. I can't take it. I have no time for her.

BOLLING: I think she was interviewed later, and she said this is the way you protest.

WILLIAMS: You know, I'm just not a fan of that kind of thing.

GUILFOYLE: I don't like it.

WILLIAMS: Maybe because I don't like people screaming at me. She got -- I guess it went viral, right, so it got a lot of attention.

GUTFELD: She is viral.

PERINO: Well, this is -- you made a point earlier in the show about the toxicity of this notion that our capitalistic system is not a good one. And that most of the people that are supporting Bernie Sanders -- what, it's like 85 percent of young people -- love his message. But who wouldn't love free college?

But I understand there's also frustration. You know, they feel like people should -- they should be getting more. She probably works hard in the job that she has. And they feel like they are entitled to more.

GUILFOYLE: Get another job.

BOLLING: She actually said -- I don't know if you heard her. But she said, "How dare you, Rick Scott, cut back on my Medicaid? I want to buy Obamacare."

GUTFELD: She's a jackass grande. I think that's what you call it in Starbucks.

You know what's like -- you know like those talking dolls. You pull the string. She's like one of those, except with, like, Noam Chomsky software inside so everything that come out is an angry bumper sticker platitude. Charming as a box of mud.

BOLLING: She'll be front and central in the next Sanders rally.

Finally, Charlize Theron is a beautiful Hollywood superstar. Remember this role?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHARLIZE THERON, ACTRESS: Mirror, mirror, on the wall. Who's the fairest of them all?

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BOLLING: But now the fairest of them all -- and she is, in my opinion -- is whining about how hard it is to be a pretty face in Hollywood. And she says, quote, "Jobs with real gravitas go to people that are physically right for them, and that's the end of the story. How many roles are out there for gorgeous F'ing gown-wearing eight-foot model? When meaty roles come through, I've been in the room and pretty people get turned away first."

Well, who wants this?

PERINO: I would say...

WILLIAMS: This is crazy. Didn't she just star in the "Mad Max" movie?

BOLLING: Yes. She starred in a ton of movies.

PERINO: She's talking about she wants to do more serious roles. And if you think about it, she's not the first woman in Hollywood to say this. If you remember Jennifer Anniston, which he finally got that great role, "The Good Girl," I think it was called. And she was almost unrecognizable because of the way that they physically made her look so that she could play this role.

So I'm not sympathizing with her. I mean, I'd give anything to look like that.

GUTFELD: Oh, stop it. You're much better looking, Dana.

PERINO: She's not the first to say that. And I'm not trying to give her a pass, but I think she has a point.

GUTFELD: There's something interesting going on. It's bogus. Do you know how you get an Oscar? Do you know what Oscar bait is? It's when a beautiful women -- beautiful woman goes plain. Like movies like "Monster," for example.

Average looking actresses can't do that. They can't go and play somebody hot to win an Oscar. They have to actually be hot, and then they have to go not. And then they get an Oscar for that.

By the way, this doesn't just happen to women. I've lost a lot of jobs. A lot of jobs. My good looks have also been a distraction everywhere I go.

BOLLING: I was so going that way.

K.G., what about that? Is it a drawback?

GUILFOYLE: So, you know, I understand. Perhaps she got caught in an emotional moment in terms of the statement that she made. But she's a very nice person, hard-working; she's a very good mother. I'm sure she's frustrated because she wants to be able to have those roles.

She's not lying. I mean, she's unbelievably -- yes, she's super genetic perfection, no doubt. But I think she's a very, very good actress. I really do. I've enjoyed the movies she was in. She was unbelievable playing Aileen Wuornos, the serial killer in "Monster." I mean, that was just...

GUTFELD: And was not attractive.

BOLLING: And so -- and that was a serious film. Had a ton of depth and range for an actor.

WILLIAMS: I thought -- I thought she was great in "Mad Max." She was no beauty in that movie.

GUILFOYLE: She's good in everything.

BOLLING: They're wrapping me.

All right, ahead, do you see anything wrong this ad for Gap Kids? Some have called it racist. We debate that next.

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WILLIAMS: A new ad campaign for Ellen DeGeneres' clothing line for Gap Kids getting some major backlash.

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ELLEN DEGENERES, TALK SHOW HOST: I'm looking at you, and you're inspiring me. So when you see other little girls looking at you, it feels good to empower them, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We don't just empower girls. We empower everyone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: So cute.

WILLIAMS: That ad aims to empire, but some critics have argued it does just the opposite. They've taken issue specifically with this photo. It shows four girls from a preteen dance group. One of the white children uses the head of the lone African-American girl as an armrest. That positioning has drawn accusation of racism on social media.

Now Gap quickly responded. They've pulled the ad, and they've issued an apology to anyone that was offended. I've got people laughing at this table.

GUTFELD: Not me.

WILLIAMS: Yes, indeed. So why you?

GUTFELD: It's good to give props. It's bad to make -- be one. Look, they should arrest this girl for a microaggression. But it's not about racism. It's heightism. The girl was short, so she used her as a shelf. It has nothing to do with her race.

GUILFOYLE: She's older than her.

GUTFELD: How dare she, Kimberly? Arrest her!

WILLIAMS: In support of your position, take a look at this ad that ran last year. It's another Gap ad. Hey! This time it's the black kid who has...

GUTFELD: It's still shortist. It's shortist!

WILLIAMS: It's shortist.

PERINO: Consistency.

WILLIAMS: Yes. So in my mind, Dana, initially when I heard about this, I thought, she was, you know -- there are so many real issues out there in terms of race in America. Why this one?

But then I read something that said, you know, the images of black women, and especially black girls, you never see black women held up as examples of beauty. They're always seen as inferior.

PERINO: Are you kidding me? Have you walked by a news stand lately?

GUILFOYLE: What's wrong with you, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Not at all.

GUILFOYLE: What are you talking about?

WILLIAMS: Go ahead. Tell me. Tell me. Tell me what you're thinking.

GUILFOYLE: Beyonce? Oprah Winfrey? You name it.

PERINO: Rihanna.

GUILFOYLE: Kerry Washington?

PERINO: Michelle Obama is on the cover of almost every magazine.

GUTFELD: Louise Jefferson.

WILLIAMS: I think she's the first lady.

PERINO: And she's beautiful. So there you go.

WILLIAMS: All right. I just think we -- I just think there has been an absence. You don't agree. What do you think, Eric?

BOLLING: I think Gap should not have pulled the ad. I think that perpetrates or...

GUTFELD: Perpetuates.

BOLLING: ... perpetuates racism. I mean, if they're saying that, leave the ad. They had it the opposite before.

These poor -- these kids are being used as pawns over a race debate? Give me a break. None of these kids are. They actually think someone, an artistic director, lined them up so the young black girl was underneath the white girl?

WILLIAMS: I don't believe that.

BOLLING: Is that what they're suggesting?

WILLIAMS: That's exactly what they're suggesting. But the larger context is about beauty and the rest. Wouldn't you agree?

GUTFELD: There is no larger contest.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but I don't understand. I'm just surprised that you said that.

WILLIAMS: Why?

GUILFOYLE: Because you're taking things back so far. And there's just -- there isn't evidence to support that. I mean, some of the most powerful and amazing beautiful women in the world are women that are minorities, women of color. I mean, where have you been, Juan? I know I see you looking.

WILLIAMS: I've been right here.

But I think there are very few, especially dark-skinned women who are held up as examples.

GUILFOYLE: What are you talking about? Look at even J. Lo. Look at all the Pueritos (ph) out there.

WILLIAMS: If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

GUILFOYLE: Word.

WILLIAMS: But that's what I think.

GUILFOYLE: Wrong.

WILLIAMS: "One More Thing" up next.

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GUTFELD: "One More Thing." Dana, you're up first. Take it away!

PERINO: OK.

GUTFELD: Perino. Go.

PERINO: Thank you.

GUTFELD: Now.

PERINO: All right. Living Hope is an organization in South Africa, and that is the one that Peter and I volunteered for after I left the White House in February of 2009. And it's a faith-based organization that helps people, mostly with HIV/AIDS, but the entire community. It's a new documentary. It's called Living Hope. It's available on DVD, and here's a clip from it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've heard it said never pity missionaries. If anything, envy them. Because they are given ringside seats to see some of God's greatest activity in the world.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All I needed to do was help Jesus save souls. And then I discovered as I read the word of God I was wrong. Jesus wanted me to help save people.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: OK, so it's called "Living Hope." It's a DVD. And I actually -- I got to be interviewed for that, but we didn't show me. I must not have made a very good impression.

GUTFELD: That's OK.

K.G.

GUILFOYLE: All right. I have something very special today, sent in by my friend Javier. On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, the leaders of the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate are going to present the Congressional Gold Medal to the U.S. Army's 65th Infantry Regiment, known as the Borinqueneers.

Now the 65th Regiment was a segregated U.S. Army unit like the Tuskegee Airmen, the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Japanese Soldiers, Navajo Code Talkers, et cetera. And they were really admirable, courageous in World War I, World War II, Korean War, despite the discrimination they faced.

And listen to this. These are all the awards that they got. The soldiers in the regiment are one Medal of Honor, nine Distinguished Service Crosses, 250 Silver Stars, 600 Bronze Stars and more than 2,700 Purple Hearts.

So I think this is very special honor, and they were largely made up of Puerto Ricans, so I'm very proud of my guys (ph).

BOLLING: Very nice.

GUTFELD: Well done. Eric.

BOLLING: Juan, can you help me with this? We do some updated delegate math. Very quickly, Trump 743 now, Cruz 517. To get to 1,237, Trump's got to get to 56 percent of the remaining. Cruz needs 82 percent of the remaining; needs some help.

Nate Silver at 538.com, the reason I put this up. In 2008 he nailed 49 out of 50 states in that race. And he got all 50 of the 50 states in 2012. Keep an eye on his website. It's fantastic. But he's got Trump at 93 percent on target to get to 1,237. And he's got Cruz at 54 percent. So you can see how it breaks down now. But check out NateSilver.com.

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PERINO: ... like that?

BOLLING: I did read that. I did. Yes -- he's been spot on it. And he does it, too. He has, like, these interesting models that he puts together.

GUILFOYLE: The matrix.

WILLIAMS: All right.

GUTFELD: He puts together models.

WILLIAMS: The inaugural (ph) reporter...

GUILFOYLE: Juan.

WILLIAMS: ... covered a murder outside of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. She's the daughter of a former reporter, and she got the scoop for her website.

But a lot of people then criticized her. Here's Hildy Kate Lysiak, a third grader, talking about the scoop and the reaction.

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HILDY KATE LYSIAK, 9-YEAR-OLD REPORTER: I worked very hard. Because of my work I was able to inform the people that there's a terrible murder hours before my competition even got to the scene. In fact, some of these adult read newspapers were reporting the wrong news. Or no news at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAMS: Go, Hildy!

GUTFELD: That was interesting.

Do I have time to ban a phrase? "I hear you." When someone says "I hear you," they means "I can't help you."

All right. That's it. "Special Report."

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