This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 29, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Boling along with Jedediah Bila, Eboni Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
So breaking news in the 2016 race today, Donald Trump's campaign manager Corey Lewandowski charged with misdemeanor battery over an incident with former Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields at a campaign event earlier this month, Fields fired charges alleging Lewandowski forcefully grab her arm while she attempted to ask Trump a question. Lewandowski's attorney says his client is absolutely innocent and he's completely confident he will be exonerated. Both sides say this video you're watching right now benefits their case individually. Trump is adamantly standing by his aide.
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DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Corey is a fine person. I looked at the tape, that the tapes were supplied by me. Tapes to me are very conclusive. A lot of people are looking and saying how can anybody be charged? He was actually -- if you look at her, in my book, and according to a lot of people, she's grabbing at me. And he's acting as an intermediary and trying to block her from doing that. The news conference was over. It was done. It was finished and she was running up and grabbing and asking questions. Very unfair to a good person, he's got a family. He's got four beautiful children. I think it is very, very unfair to a man who would take a wonderful family back in New Hampshire who gets, what, a criminal situation over that?
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BOLLING: More now from chief political correspondent Carl Cameron. Carl, this is quite disruptive to these campaigns. Is it not?
CARL CAMERON, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it doesn't come at a time to Donald Trump would like, but this sort of thing never could. But Donald Trump and Corey Lewandowski have argued from the very beginning that nothing ever happened, that there was no assault. There was no battery, and that it is completely overblown. And frankly, an attempt to smear Donald Trump by going through his staff; what Ted Cruz has called his henchmen in the last few days. The video does show Corey Lewandowski and the former Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields engaged next to Donald Trump. The laws of Florida say any unauthorized, any unwanted touching can be construed as a possible, simple battery or misdemeanor battery. And it has already become a major distraction in this very important state of Wisconsin where Donald Trump is making his very first campaign appearance. He'll be doing so in Janesville, Wisconsin. The home of the House Speaker Paul Ryan, as both John Kasich and Ted Cruz are campaigning across the badger state, and now making an issue of this saying that in short, it comes from the top and there is a culture of violence and hostility in the world of Trump. Listen.
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SEN. TED CRUZ, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's a very sad development. And this is the consequence of the culture of the Trump campaign. The abusive culture when you have a campaign that is built on personal insults, on attacks, and now physical violence.
GOV. JOHN KASICH, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I can only talk about what I would do. We probably would suspend somebody, you know. I think it depend what it is and what the evidence was. But we'll see things that we think are inappropriate, we take action.
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CAMERON: In fact, John Kasich senior political adviser said if it was somebody who doesn't know, and then he probably would have been fired by now already, Eric?
BOLLING: All right. Thank you, Carl. I appreciate the update. OK, we'll bring it around the table here a little bit. Eboni, Carl mentioned in Florida, any unauthorized touching could be simple misdemeanor battery.
EBONI WILLIAMS, GUEST CO-HOST: Yeah.
BOLLING: That's not a very high bar to clear.
WILLIAMS: No, it's not Eric. You know, it is about -- it can crime. It's a misdemeanor, so not a felony we're talking about. And here's what we know. Certainly --
BOLLING: Can I just add?
BOLLING: Is it an intent crime? Either there has to be some intent?
WILLIAMS: There has to be some intention behind it. And this is where it gets interesting, right? I'm going to circle back to this. Let me just legally geek out for one second here. OK, so Corey hasn't been convicted. He still have this (inaudible) that time that he's proven guilty. But I want to say this. We know for the fact that law enforcement is actually brought charges now, criminal charges that they had to have probable cause, because you can't bring charges without it. Probable cause, that's a different standard of proof than beyond reasonable doubt, it says more probable than not; 51 percent likely all say that indeed, he did the crime alleged. Law enforcement -- they will release a statement and they said they relied heavily on the video provided by Trump organization, OK? And it looked very similar to Michelle's account of what happened. They take those together with other eyewitness testimony and they find probable cause. So that's why we had at least charges at this point. Now, when it comes to the feds, what will they're gonna argue? Because the tape looks for many people like, OK, there's a clear touching there. You argue the intent, Eric. You say well, maybe I brushed up on side or maybe I even grabbed her, but this was the reason why it was not to harm or damaged her. Corey has got a little bit over problem from the defense stand point to me, if he was my client I would be frustrated with a tweet that he sent out immediately following the event that said, "I didn't touch her." Because now you're denying something that factually looks in conflict.
BOLLING: Dana, what is the optics of it right now? What should they be? What should the Trump campaign be doing?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, they should have done the right thing from the beginning which is, he should have apologized and then maybe it would not have escalated. But it is never wrong to do the right thing. And apologizing for something like that in the middle of a scrum, I think that would have been possibly acceptable to her. But when the first reaction is to lie about it and say it never happened, and then to try to smear her reputation. I mean, Donald Trump just said in his interview on the plane that it is unfair to Corey Lewandowski. But why is it fair to Michelle Fields to smear her reputation? She lost her job. She resigned, but it was basically because Breitbart didn't back her up. There are other things that she lost out on. The other thing from the optic standpoint is if you're the Trump campaign and you know you that you have vulnerability with women, and your numbers with women are going down. One, your instincts were to smear a young woman, two is to lie about it, and three now is to suggest that she's still in the wrong. I would say at this point, you should cut your losses because your track record of the last month with women is not going on get any better if this kind of things continues.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah. I mean, if this were the "The Apprentice," Donald Trump would have fired Corey before he fired Kevin Jonas. That's how bad Corey is. I mean, he's -- so it tells you that Trump, somehow has standards that are higher for a TV show than he has for his own presidency. Back in Iowa, I expressed outrage over Corey Lewandowski's intentional intimidation of people at Fox News. The threats he was making. You'd better do this or watch out. I saw this as a problem. And it was problem for me because Donald Trump speaks about his goals, of only hiring the best people around him. And who is around him, this thug? Who is around him, Omarosa? I mean, let's be honest. He does not know what good people are. And you're right, he should do something. He should do something now. Remember, Donald didn't yank her. It is not Donald who did it.
GUTFELD: It is the person who works for him. He should distance himself from him. But -- and one last thing, I think it all could have been avoided through actual conversation between two people. The problem is people now go on Twitter. So Michelle went on Twitter and her boyfriend went on Twitter. But they went on Twitter because who revolutionized going on Twitter for grievances -- Donald Trump. That's where he fights his battle are on Twitter. So that's where she went. They -- it was flurry of demeaning behavior from the Trump camp. They should have just said, hey, it was a mistake; that mistakes happen, and that all could have avoided. But instead, they forced her hand. Because as she said on Megyn Kelly, she did not want to press charges, but when somebody calls you delusional. When says he make up stuffs, calls you a liar, which Donald Trump did. They knew have no choice but to press charges to prove that you are sincere. And the conclusive proof is in that video. It's in that video.
BOLLING: So I -- you're pointing the finger at Corey Lewandowski.
BOLLING: . or Donald Trump?
GUTFELD: I think Trump, Trump -- if Trump doesn't act then it's on him. And he's got to show that --
PERINO: But he already has.
GUTFELD: Yeah, I know. That's the sad thing. But he has to -- you should -- if you wants to be president, you have to have the temperament. You can't have thugs around you. You can't.
BOLLING: Jed, respond to that if you want.
BOLLING: But do you remember about six months ago, it was a Rubio campaign adviser who punched a Rand Paul campaign person in the face, on tape. They had it. And it was in the state Michigan. And Michigan dropped it because it wasn't enough -- enough there.
WILLIAMS: They define probable cause.
GUTFELD: You think they deny it, though?
BOLLING: That was on tape.
JEDEDIAH BILA, GUEST CO-HOST: Yeah, but the problem here is you have a guy running for president who is a front-runner who is backing up a guy who lied, and Corey said, he didn't touch her. At one point I think he said he never met her, he never touched her. So once he's put that out there and that is determined to be a lie, I don't understand how Donald Trump isn't apologizing. Because he obviously believes someone who told a lie, that's not what we are seeing on tape, those footage of it. And at this point from a political perspective, this guy is a huge liability. He just does not help Donald Trump. I don't care about those people who are retweeting him and saying, yeah, Donald. Anyone with eyes who's sees the video knows that this guy lied and you're backing him up. So, you want to be a big man, be a big man and say you know what? This is not the story I heard. This is not how went down and have the guts to fire this guy, because obviously he doesn't have the guts to resign himself.
BOLLING: So would anyone disagree with Corey Lewandowski now saying, you know what? It was busy. It was a media scrum. I was trying on get the candidate out.
BILA: Where is the apology then?
BOLLING: There are people -- so if he said, in the aftermath, I saw the video. You know what? It happened. I apologize. Would that --
WILLIAMS: Ah, the lawyer would be freaking out, Eric. At this point, it is too late for that. At this point nothing --
WILLIAMS: He can't make a statement like that. That would be in his legal disinterests. At this point he needs to have his day in court and argue a lack of intent around the contact at that point -- yeah.
BOLLING: Wouldn't that be arguing a lack of intent? Look, I didn't realize. I didn't mean to hurt her, I just found --
WILLIAMS: Yeah, but he's got to do that now in the court room.
BOLLING: He's got to do in courtroom.
PERINO: But he already said, in his own words, that he never met her. That she is delusional. That she's a lair --
PERINO: I mean basically --
WILLIAMS: And the prosecutors are going to ripped him for that if he goes on trial.
PERINO: Yeah. So how can you now apologize? I mean, you've already had --
BILA: He had --
PERINO: You've been charged with a misdemeanor crime.
BILA: He had a chance to apologize. And what -- I mean, once she tweeted out, she had -- she only said she had bruises. I mean, this was -- there was a space of time I think where this guy could have come out and said, you know what, I didn't realize that I injured you. That was not my intent. I apologize. You don't come out and try to slander somebody's reputation and say you never met them, when in fact, yeah, you did. You grabbed her arm and she was damaged as a result of it. This doesn't look good for him, and I'm sorry it doesn't look good for Donald.
WILLIAMS: Politically, really quick, I think there's no upside to keeping Corey. That what --
BILA: Right, exactly.
WILLIAMS: The only down side. If I'm Donald Trump, to Greg's point, you disconnect, you distance yourself. As we're saying earlier, I'd rather cut off a toe than I have to cut a leg later.
BOLLING: OK, let's talk -- let's do the politics on this.
BOLLING: Wisconsin is huge. Both of them went out -- if Donald Trump nails down Wisconsin, his path is clear. He if doesn't, Ted Cruz can make a case that it's less clear. Is will this affect Wisconsin?
PERINO: Well, I don't think it helps. I don't know how much people will necessary be paying attention to it. And Donald Trump is there talking today, trying to talk today about jobs and the economy. One of the things that you want in a campaign is you want like a clear runway, so that you can focus on your message and should focus relentlessly on jobs and trade if you're going to be in Wisconsin. But if you're spending half the time on your interview on your fancy plane, talking about how your campaign manager, this poor guy, with his beautiful family, he's been attacked unfairly. But while this other is part of the story is that a young woman was attacked unfairly by the campaign, then that's probably not good. And I also think that republican women, the numbers, I don't know exactly what they are in Wisconsin, but that I believe that they track with the national numbers. The republican women, 37 percent were saying, OK, he could be our guy in the future. That was down to 24 percent in March. So -- at early March, and now so it is March 29, 30th. I don't think it is headed in the right direction.
GUTFELD: But the other thing too is you think about people who, the team's sport -- ideology of sports, you know -- of politics. Once you are all in on something, it's almost impossible to change your mind. Because then, emotionally, you have to admit that you're wrong. So the genesis of this story was that, you know, it didn't happen. It did happen but it might have been the wrong guy who grabbed her. How could it happen if there's no tape? Whoa, there's tape, but it was nothing. Wait, in your tape shows that it is more than nothing. Well then, maybe she deserved it because of the scrum of the reporters. No matter what happens, there will always be a strong, vocal supportive group of Trump supporters who will say, eh!
BILA: Yeah. But you know what? A lot of those people who (inaudible) me is a lot of people supporting Trump. If this were President Obama, one of the key issues, though.
GUTFELD: Or they go down lower.
BILA: . was that President Obama doesn't know how to say, I was wrong. And guess what, they're right about that. When he makes a mistake or he makes a misjudgment or he speaks too soon or something, whether involves police or what not, and you find that out. You want to say, why can't you say I had it wrong? Have some humility.
BILA: So that's, you know what, demand the same thing from the guy who has values that you admire, who has economic policies that you admire. You can't have one set of rules for the guy whose politics differ from yours and other set for the guy whose politics are the same. Demand the same standard across the board.
BOLLING: Final thought?
WILLIAMS: Yeah. I mean, I think it's an opportunity, right? For Donald Trump to kind of demonstrate the leadership, you used "The Apprentice" example. He's the guy that can make the hard decisions. This is a hard, difficult decision. I understand there is a temptation, maybe on the Trump camp to show loyalty to his person. But you know, do the right thing. Do the thing that makes legal sense. They're really, the politically savvy thing. It was just about doing the right thing.
BOLLING: All right, we have to go. Make sure to catch our powerful primetime lineup. Tonight, I'm filling in for Bill O'Reilly and we'll have more on the charges today against Trump's campaign manager at 8:00 p.m. eastern. At 10:00 p.m., Trump gives his reaction on "Hannity," a big night ahead. Coming up why Hillary Clinton's camp is threatening not to do any more debates with Bernie Sanders, ahead on "The Five."
PERINO: Bernie Sanders is fighting hard to narrow the delegate gap with Hillary Clinton, and he is calling for more debates this time in Clinton's home turf of New York before the States primary on April 19th. Clinton's camp calls the latest debate request a stunt and says they'll only consider Sanders to request for another debate if he changes his tone.
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JOEL BENENSON, CLINTON CAMPAIGN CHIEF STRATEGIST: Senator Sanders doesn't get to decide when we debate, particularly when he's running a very negative campaign against us. Let's see if he goes back to the kind of tone he said he was going to set early on. If he does that, then we'll talk about debates. But we're not going to talk about it.
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN "AT THIS HOUR" HOST: So no chance of a New York debate?
BENENSON: I didn't say that. I said we're not going to talk about it. We're going to see what kind of tone he sets. If his campaign wants to run the kind of negative campaign and run the negative ads like they did in North Carolina, in Illinois, all over the country on March 15th, that's going to be disappointing to a lot of democrats who feel we have to start focusing on republicans whether it's Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, and about our differences, so we win in November. That's what democrats ought to be doing. That's what she's doing.
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PERINO: Sanders hit back by posting this video on his Twitter page of Clinton during her 2008 campaign.
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HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Honestly, I mean, I just believe that this is the most important job in the world. It's the toughest job in the world. You should be willing to campaign for every vote. You should be willing to debate anytime, anywhere.
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PERINO: So Greg, I have a theory of why she doesn't want to debate in New York.
GUTFELD: How come?
PERINO: Because she doesn't want Bernie to be able to say, your ties to Wall Street, the guy is right down here that paid you $600,000 for speeches, that's who you're in the pocket of. So she doesn't want to avoid a debate in New York.
GUTFELD: That's an excellent theory.
PERINO: Thank you.
GUTFELD: Which I don't have an answer for it.
PERINO: OK. What do you want talk about?
GUTFELD: I want to say that she is the last person on earth to lecture anyone on tone. She sounds like the product of two car alarms mating. Do you know what she's guilty of? A lot of people don't bring up, misandry, which is bigotry against men. She is saying she is criticizing Bernie's tone, but what if that's how men sound? Remember, when people were criticizing Hillary, there was people were saying, well, oh, they're criticizing her because that's how a woman sounds when she's loud. Well, she's just doing the same thing. Maybe that's how a man sounds when he is being serious and he wants to express a point. But she's -- and the other part is, she's kind of saying that she's a delicate flower, which would be offensive to women.
PERINO: But what -- so Jedediah, how can he change his tone? I mean, there -- what Ben has been saying is that he is so negative towards her. But he doesn't even bring up any of her vulnerable points.
BILA: He's been so --
PERINO: What so did they want to change?
BILA: He's been so -- maybe she wants him to be less likable so he can be more like her. I mean, I don't know. She -- it's ridiculous. He's been bating (ph) her. I'm sitting at home watching those debates saying, come on, Bernie, talk about the e-mail.
PERINO: He can do it.
BILA: . talk about transparency. You can do it. And he's not going there. So I don't know what expects to me that doesn't play well for her. She looks like a big baby and she looks like she's afraid of him. And I think she should be. This is the guy who came out in nowhere, basically. He is much more likable than she is. He's got a lot of Hollywood on his side. He has a lot of young voters. He is doing a lot of what President Obama did very well, which is to get people excited. You've got, you know, the likes of Susan Sarandon out there saying that she's not going to vote for Hillary, she want to vote for Bernie Sanders. So I think she's intimidated by what, and I think you're right. I think Wall Street is a super soft, a sore point for her. And I think being here, he'll have the opportunity to highlight that, and she can't take the heat.
PERINO: Eric, I have another theory that if she wins in Wisconsin on next Tuesday, April 5th, that there will be no debate in New York City. That she won't agree to it. But that if she loses in Wisconsin, she'll be worried and she'll ask for that debate.
BOLLING: I'm going to disagree -- agree with your first one and disagree with the second. I think this is brilliant strategy. She is putting it out right now. Basically, and the tone, the way I read this is, well, it is like the panthers playing the stealers. The panthers like to play the stealers where they only agree to pay the defense, when they're not going to put an offense. When Ben Roethlisberger is on the bench, they like playing him. But if Ben gets back in the game, panthers don't want to play the Stealers.
GUTFELD: Hillary was there.
BOLLING: No, Hillary Clinton --
BOLLING: Hillary Clinton doesn't want to go up against Bernie Sanders when he's going to go negative on her. She wants, and just -- she wants to go against him when he's just pro- Bernie. But going negative on her will work. So she says, "I got to lead. I'm about to lock this thing down. Why would i risk it?" And you know, Dana, once she gets past Wisconsin, we get north east where there is the high level of African-American voters. She is going to lock it down. There's no reason to blow it now.
PERINO: What's the consternation, the level of concern on the democrat side, Ebony, about the super delegate process, which is one of the most undemocratic things. The republican primary process is a mess. You could consider it that in terms of she's organized. But it's highly democratic compared to what the super delegate process is that Bernie is complaining about.
WILLIAMS: No. I think it is a hot mess, Dana. And I think that this is where Bernie supporters get really, you know, excited about an uproar. Revolution -- we hear this revolution concept, it around. This have to super delegate stuff. And you know, Bernie saying like, you know, I don't stand a chance with those rules that play. And that's why he is saying, I won, you know, four -- five contests over the weekend or something. Let these super delegates reconsider. And listen to the constituency. I want to say this about the tone issue, though. I think it's highly -- it's the height of hypocrisy for Hillary Clinton and her camp to talk about Bernie Sanders' tone being inappropriate, when this guy, her chief strategist rather, Benenson says that Sanders is going to campaign like a Brooklynite.
WILLIAMS: Because the senator --
PERINO: That's true.
WILLIAMS: That's, that is what --
GUTFELD: That is (inaudible) of course of something.
WILLIAMS: And she will be in campaign like a senator. You like Brooklyn shaming this man. I mean --
GUTFELD: Is there something else?
WILLIAMS: I mean what in the world?
WILLIAMS: Is there something else behind that when you say Brooklynite? Isn't that alluding to being a Jew?
WILLIAMS: Oh stop it.
GUTFELD: Yeah, perhaps?
WILLIAMS: No, but that --
PERINO: That seems to me.
WILLIAMS: All right Greg, I see your point there. But no, just -- I don't like that. I mean.
WILLIAMS: This is the guy (inaudible), that's' where he's from. I don't think, you know, I have a bit of a southern thing going on.
PERINO: I think it was a bet, but --
GUTFELD: I thought just anti-Semitic.
PERINO: But he was editor longer than she has.
GUTFELD: She's an anti- Semi.
BILA: I love his tone.
BILA: If I were the government girl, I will be filling that --
BILA: I would.
BILA: I like his tone.
WILLIAMS: Right. It's only good when she is there. Not when Bernie, yeah.
WILLIAMS: I don't think that was really nasty. And I assume he like that.
GUTFELD: He actually pledges to listen too.
GUTFELD: Everything she said is wrong.
GUTFELD: Everything she said is wrong --
BOLLING: Let's just hope he's the nominee.
BOLLING: Who wouldn't want to go up against a socialist?
PERINO: All right next.
PERINO: . free speech, Donald Trump, and some chalk are distressing a bunch of college students down in Georgia. Greg's (inaudible) them when we return.
GUTFELD: Imagine a place that poisons your teens' emotional well-being, targeting their vulnerabilities, laying waste to their spine, inculcating weakness, replacing reason with hysteria. Once designed for enrichment, it's now an ego asylum, where character is reduced to a bubbling stew of anguish. That is college.
At Emory University, pro-Trump messages in chalk have scarred co-eds so badly student government is offering counseling -- poor things. Yes, the phrase Trump 2016 found on cement is so harrowing to these sucklings, the school president sent a sympathy email.
Now the scribbles could have been solve easily by erasing them. It is chalk after all. But that something an adult would do. These are emotional toddlers. Babble buckets. Forget about a wall on the Southern border. Build it around Emory. Observe the offensive words, I know, I'm getting vapors just looking at them. Can the National Guard please air drop fainting couches, warm blankies and smelling salts to these wuss kittens?
This is the new lie of the campus left: that one must balance free speech with feeling safe. College must be a safe haven, safe from words. But college is supposed to challenge, not coddle. Doing the reverse, just leads to fake incidents of hate that provide spotlights to these attention gobblers.
So while this happened, the U.S. military is evacuating families of Defense personnel from southern Turkey due to security fears. Maybe the Emory students can trade places and find out what a real unsafe space is all about.
So apparently now, "Trump '16" is a bigoted statement. How could...
BILA: I know.
GUTFELD: That is amazing.
BILA: Everything is offensive. You can't say anything anymore. It's so scary to me. I worry so much about the future. Because can you imagine sending these kids off to war? I mean, no really, if you...
GUTFELD: How about their first jobs?
BILA: Forget it, everything. And there's this extended adolescence that's happening now. And I've dated guys in their 20s. It's scary.
GUTFELD: That's on you.
BILA: They want a safe space from me. Apparently, I'm dangerous.
GUTFELD: Date people in their 50s.
BILA: Yes, I'm getting there. But, you know, I just -- I will. That's next.
But it's crazy. It's like when you go to college, and when I was younger, that was supposed to toughen you up.
BILA: It was supposed to challenge you. You were supposed to go into classrooms and hear different opinions and get uncomfortable. Part of growing is discomfort.
GUTFELD: Tell me about it.
BILA: These kids don't know -- especially for you. These kids don't know what that means because they're coddled. The good thing is some of these students fought back. The Young Americans for Liberty at Emory fought back, and they had a "make Emory great again" slogan that they put - good for them. Because these deans and administrators, what a bunch of babies.
BILA: Catering to parents. And get a back bone.
GUTFELD: It is creating a healthy pushback. Eboni, one of the activists claim that the phrase "Trump 2016" put them in pain, and one said, quote, "We have nothing to lose by our -- but our chains."
I don't even know what that -- that's a bit insulting.
BOLLING: Is that what you want, to get rid of the chains?
GUTFELD: I don't get it.
WILLIAMS: I don't know what that means. I mean, this is like -- it's so silly, and it is laughable, in a way. But the serious part of this is this. Racial intimidation on college campuses, that's a real thing. That actually happens. You know, ask the students at Duke University last year, where there were nooses on campus. Students at the University of Delaware, nooses. So that -- by all means, if Trump 2016 is your threshold for racial intimidation, seriously, God bless you.
PERINO: Better not drive down the highway and see the bumper stickers.
WILLIAMS: Yes, it's crazy.
PERINO: Like have a panic attack and run into another car.
GUTFELD: Eric, I have a theory. Your son is about to go to college.
GUTFELD: I think there should be two college systems: the classic one that challenges you and the adult daycare. It's separated.
BOLLING: There are. And there's going to be a handful, like Hillsdale College, like five or six university that are in the classic, where they don't treat kids like they're babies and they're wussies and whatnot. But the rest -- the vast majority of the rest of liberal -- of higher learning in America are like that and moving fast and faster towards that. You said build a wall around Emory. Build a wall around 80, 90 percent of the universities in the country. It's sad. It's scary as a parent.
GUTFELD: Have the students pay for it.
BOLLING: That's totally...
GUTFELD: Pay for it.
PERINO: Parents will pay for it.
BOLLING: The parents pay for it.
PERINO: The parents ask them to pay for it.
GUTFELD: Do we have time...
BOLLING: Can we make the professors pay for it?
GUTFELD: Yes. They're on tenure any way. It's not like they have to afford anything.
Do we talk to just talk about what's going on in Wisconsin right now?
PERINO: I can't shame the Georgian...
GUTFELD: Shame them. Shame. Shame them right now.
PERINO: I just did.
GUTFELD: OK. Trump -- Trump is getting ready to speak. This is a rally in Janesville. Again, this speaks to a lot of the irrational, this irrational behavior that Trump seems to cause.
PERINO: That's not irrational. They're just...
GUTFELD: Protesting, that's true.
PERINO: ... protesting in the normal fashion.
GUTFELD: I think it's irrational.
PERINO: Because you don't go to a protest. But like, if you -- if you have strong feelings for or against somebody, and you want to go hold up a placard and walk around...
PERINO: ... and not punch people, that's OK.
WILLIAMS: That's America.
PERINO: Just don't get out the chalk.
GUTFELD: I'm saying the hate is -- the hate is so strong.
PERINO: I don't think so.
PERINO: Well, not when they're just like placards, and you're walking around saying this is what you believe in. And that guy just waved to us. I mean, hello.
GUTFELD: Yes, he's friendly. But apparently, there's been one or two incidents, I think, involving pepper spray.
BILA: Do you feel unsafe, Greg?
GUTFELD: I feel unsafe. I need to be hugged.
BILA: You think so?
GUTFELD: Yes, I'm going to hug Ingraham (ph), later. All right.
BILA: We'll get around to that in the commercial break.
GUTFELD: I'm done with you, and everybody else.
Ahead, President Obama lectures the media for letting the 2016 candidates off easy, like it did for him eight years ago. That's next.
BILA: President Obama is once again lecturing journalists on their coverage of this year's presidential election. He's calling on the media to hold candidates and themselves to a higher standard, not just deliver profits for shareholders.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Also has an obligation to invest a good chunk of that profit back into news and back into public affairs and to maintain certain standards. And to not dumb down the news. The electorate would be better served if we spent less time focused on the "he said, she said" back and forth of our politics. Because while fairness is the hallmark of good journalism, false equivalency all too often these days can be a fatal flaw.
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BILA: The president argues today's candidates aren't being held accountable or getting the same kind of scrutiny when he ran for the White House.
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OBAMA: If you go back and see what I said in 2007, and you see what I did, they match up.
In 2008 in the campaign, people asked me really tough questions about whether they matched up. And we had a spend a lot of time worrying about whether what I said I could deliver on.
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BILA: So we looked back in our archives to see whether that comment matched up. Here's what we found.
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CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC ANCHOR: The feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama speak, my -- I felt this thrill go up my leg. I don't have that too often.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's almost hard to remain objective, because the -- it's infectious.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Coffee or tea?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Beatles or Rolling Stones.
OBAMA: Rolling Stones.
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BILA: Tough stuff, Greg.
BILA: As I remember, the hardest question he got around 2008 was from Joe the Plumber...
BILA: ... who met him on the street and asked him about wealth redistribution and forced him to have a conversation about what he actually wanted to do. So what's he talking about? Come on.
GUTFELD: What I love is he's lecturing our media, something that he couldn't do in Cuba at all. That would have been too brave and too Reagan- esque to say, "Tear down your media wall." So instead he comes here, Tang- obama, was busy sight-seeing.
I said this too many times, but I'm going to repeat myself. He's the quarterback who slept with every cheerleader but still mad that one won't. And that one was FOX News. We weren't that easy, so we didn't jump into bed with him.
And it just reflects that -- the human nature that we seek comfort in our shared assumptions. We love the media until it's divorced from us. Everybody is like this.
BILA: What about what he's saying, Dana, about, like, gossip sometimes. We focus on gossip. Sometimes I feel like with the gossipy angle, sometimes it's news. The stuff with Ted Cruz and Donald Trump going at each other over their wives and whatnot, that's still a story. It's part of the presidential battle.
PERINO: And it will show the character of somebody, for sure. But yesterday, one of the things we talked about was the "Washington Post" article by Robert O'Hara Jr. about Hillary Clinton's e-mail scandal and the root of it. And it's long and exhaustive.
So exhaustive journalism exists if you look for it and if you take time to read it. It is true that the back and forth is really important. I was kind of laughing a little bit. One of the things President Obama has done very well is to use things like "Between Two Ferns," or going on Fallon and all the late-night shows, going on "Ellen" and going on -- using popular culture to drive the news in order to achieve his campaign goals. They're not asking you a lot of, like, really in-depth questions on those shows. But he was very successful in using them in order to help advance his political goals.
BILA: Every time it seems that he gets tough questions, Eric, when someone like a Bill O'Reilly or whoever asks him a huge question, he's defensive. He's almost like, "The audacity you had to ask me something that's actually challenging." And everyone sees that. So how does he come off saying this?
BOLLING: So he wants us, I guess, to stop covering his golfing, you know, the headings on the golfing or the baseball games and the wave, or the tango and instead ask tough questions: "Well, OK, President Obama. But income inequality, you ran on income inequality. It's worse under you. How about wages? Wages are down under you. How about household net worth and household incomes are both down under you?"
He answered those. Yes, ISIS is the JV team. What are you talking about? They're still killing people under you.
Be sure you know what you're asking for. And if that's really what you want to get, that's fine. But if there is a Republican president next, will the rules still apply to them? Or is -- everyone has to just be serious right now?
BILA: Right. Like, does he want the tough questions for everybody else, but for him just what he had for dinner last night and who he's rooting for in whatever this March Madness stuff is Eric keeps talking about is?
WILLIAMS: I once heard the president say that. I actually thought he was harkening back to his primary season. And I do think during that, at least from what I recall, I do think he was asked very tough questions. And I think there was a reason behind it. I'm talking about him and Hillary in their primary portion.
Because people were unfamiliar for Barack Obama. He was brand-new to the United States, and people didn't know who he was or what he was about. So sure, he was asked very tough questions about foreign policy and would you be ready to answer the phone call at 3 a.m.
I also think that's why we saw from Marco Rubio, when he was still in it, that he would knee-jerk to those kind of long-winded policy questions. They're trying to show, in their youth and relative political inexperience, that they are capable. I think -- that's what I took of his context.
BILA: See, I remember Hillary taking a beating from reporters. I remember seeing Hillary would say, "Hold on. I thought I was going to get a free ride here. And now all of a sudden, this guy is getting all the easy questions."
WILLIAMS: I remember brutal debates. I thought that 2008 primary on the Dems side was absolutely brutal. And I thought they both were questioned heavily.
GUTFELD: There's one thing that he brought up quickly about the -- how he said that the false equivalency is a problem, meaning there really isn't two sides to every story. He's alluding to something like climate change where you have to be strongly -- you must strongly endorse his view of climate change. But the idea of being skeptical of any part of it is false. There cannot be two sides, because there might only be one right answer.
PERINO: The other thing was on the profits.
PERINO: He said that -- he was talking about media companies. And, you know, there is -- there is a group of people who think that something like a publicly-funded media would be better. We have a few of those, actually.
WILLIAMS: Yes, I know.
PERINO: But media companies exist, and there's jobs for it. And there are profits.
BILA: Well, that's true.
Well, our very own Geraldo Rivera promised a surprise for week two of "Dancing with the Stars," and viewers got one. But it wasn't enough to keep him in contention for that Mirrorball trophy. Hear Geraldo's explanation for what happened on FOX News this morning. That's coming up next.
WILLIAMS: It was Latin night on "Dancing with the Stars." But even Geraldo's genetic advantage couldn't save him from becoming the first contestant to get the boot. But he did put up a solid effort to make his dancing great again.
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GERALDO RIVERA, FOX NEWS: Vladimir, hi, it's Donald. That was huge. It was huge.
Hey, Vlad, can you hold on for a second? Melania.
TOM BERGERON, HOST, ABC'S "DANCING WITH THE STARS": The first couple to be eliminated this season is Geraldo and Edyta.
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WILLIAMS: You've got to hand it to him, that was a pretty hilarious Trump impersonation. He and his partner, Edyta, gave a postmortem on "FOX & Friends" this morning.
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STEVE DOOCY, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS": Geraldo, what happened?
RIVERA: Well, we had a wonderful professional, elegant, talented, charismatic dancer teamed with a 72-year-old one-legged man.
DOOCY: You can't feel one of your feet, correct?
RIVERA: It doesn't make me a bad person.
DOOCY: Edyta, how do you feel?
EDYTA SLIWINSKA, PROFESSIONAL DANCER, ABC'S "DANCING WITH THE STARS": I feel like he did so great. I'm a little bit sad, because I think Geraldo brings so much more to this show. But, you know, being eliminated is not such a bad thing. Now we get to hang out. Not in a dance studio.
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WILLIAMS: OK. That's hilarious. Was she just not giving anyone else here Melania light but me? Like she really legitimately kind of reminded me of her.
OK, so we got Tucker Carlson out after the first week, Geraldo Rivera out after the first week. Greg Gutfeld, how long do you go in this thing?
GUTFELD: I would go to the very end, because I'm a hell of a dancer.
This would have been better if the Oval -- if they had done the Oval Office skit but it was Bill Clinton instead of Donald Trump, because the dancing would have been more interesting.
I have an idea for a reality show called "Dancing Drunk," judged by -- you get judged how you dance with every ensuing shot. Because that's how people dance, getting progressively drunker at weddings. That would be a tremendous reality show.
BILA: That's true.
WILLIAMS: Liquid Rhythm. I like it, I like it.
OK, Dana, what would be your preferred dance? Are you a tango gal? Are you a salsa? What are you?
PERINO: I would love to learn all of it in the privacy of, like, with no cameras, nothing. I -- I find public speaking not to be a problem at all. I could never have done what Geraldo did.
PERINO: I think I would be so nervous. I couldn't have done it. I almost threw up when I was on "Celebrity Jeopardy." I definitely could not have danced in front of the cameras.
WILLIAMS: So we won't see you...
GUTFELD: "Celebrity Bombing."
WILLIAMS: ... in a leotard and a spray tan. OK, good to know, Dana.
OK, Eric, you strike me -- this is just me, because you know you're my all- American guy. Ballroom, top hat. I see it. I see it. Is this something you would do?
BOLLING: I would do it, but I can't dance ballroom. I mean, no, no, no.
Gracious, Geraldo, gracious in defeat. I mean, he literally said, "If I wasn't voted off, I would have demanded a recount." Right. He saw it coming.
But great shirt. Great job, Geraldo. Way to go for it. Look, he tried. I'm all for trying stuff.
PERINO: I can't do step, I should say.
WILLIAMS: I can do a little.
PERINO: That's not that hard. It's like country dancing is, like, easy.
BILA: I would do it. I had good rhythm, but I don't remember steps. But I'd have to bring my mother in. She's an amazing dancer. She can come in, and she can teach me. I would salsa, though. I'd keep it sexy. Why not?
WILLIAMS: You're a polka?
GUTFELD: Polka is amazing. Don't...
PERINO: You would do the Hokey-Pokey.
GUTFELD: No, the polka is an amazing dance.
WILLIAMS: OK, well, you wouldn't catch me dancing live.
"One More Thing" is up next.
You want to polka?
BOLLING: "One More Thing" and Greg starts.
GUTFELD: All right. Back by popular demand. People say that without any proof at all. Greg and Dana's Town Hall. April 24. It's a Sunday at the Hershey Theater in Hershey, Pennsylvania. Special guest, of course, opening will be Larry Gatlin. We'll have a meet and greet. We'll talk about politics, the campaign, the election. We'll talk about dogs and booze and books. Go to GGutfeld.com or HersheyEntertainment.com to pick up tickets. It will be great.
BOLLING: And that is a fantastic venue. That's a great venue.
PERINO: I've never been.
BOLLING: Oh, it's amazing. Hershey is awesome.
PERINO: I heard it's beautiful.
All right, Dana, you're up.
PERINO: All right. Do you know anybody who likes to complain about anything, especially the weather? There's a new thing in Australia done by an artist called Angela Garrick. She created Weather Vent, where you can call and you can vent on a voicemail about the weather, which I thought was pretty funny. But nothing could match this one. This is a little sound bite of one of the voicemails left behind.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's so hot today. Kills me. I wish it was cold. I got tar all over me because it was so hot the bike handles melted on this bike. Now I feel fried. Cause I've been cooking all day.
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PERINO: Everyone's playing it over and over again, this one.
GUTFELD: Lou Dobbs.
PERINO: Anyway, Weather Vent.
BOLLING: Is -- is marijuana legal in Australia?
All right. So tonight, make sure you check out "O'Reilly Factor." Stick around, 8 a.m. tonight. Actually, all night. Just check out the primetime lineup. Don't change the channel tonight. We're going to go deep this whole controversy with Corey Lewandowski.
Last Wednesday we had these puppies on this show right here to be adopted. This was through the Humane Society of New York. And OK, you see them all there, right there. So three of those dogs have been adopted.
PERINO: That was cute.
BILA: So cute.
BOLLING: And these two right here -- hold on, hold on. These two still waiting to get adopted. That's Viola and Antoine. Make sure you go to HumaneSociety.com.
PERINO: Antoine was the one that Jesse was holding. He was scared of it.
GUTFELD: The way I hold a child.
BOLLING: Guess he didn't like that one. Anyway, adopt those dogs, or others. HumaneSociety.com.
Who's up next? Jedediah.
BILA: Me, yes. So today we have another one of Greg's friends causing destruction. Meet Harley, the cockatoo. As you can see, there's plenty of space in this room. Yet Harley feels the need to knock these blocks over repeatedly, Greg, setting a bad example once again.
Actually, this cockatoo hates blocks. It's been known. There's a YouTube channel that the owners have devoted, YouTube, packed by Hollywood cockatoo. And apparently, lots of blocks are knocks over. So you definitely want to check it out. He's adorable, unlike someone at this table. (AUDIO GAP)
BOLLING: Eboni, you're up.
WILLIAMS: Thank you so much.
OK. So everybody could use a hug, right? Even NBA players. Check out this super cute video. This is last night at the New York Knicks game in New Orleans. The Knicks were down in the fourth quarter. Look at this cute little kid, runs out there and gives Carmelo Anthony a hug. Chin up, Carmelo. You got this one. That's so cute. And I don't know if you guys saw it, but Melo gave him a little pat on the head, because he, like, welcomed it.
BOLLING: I think he was posted (ph) Carmelo.
PERINO: That could be dangerous, actually.
WILLIAMS: He went straight to him. He made a beeline.
BOLLING: I think that was an offensive foul. That's a charge.
WILLIAMS: I like it. You know what? Flop.
Why ask for permission? Ask for...
PERINO: We need another angle on the video.
GUTFELD: Should be arrested!
BOLLING: All right. Set your DVRs. Don't miss another episode. "Special Report" next.
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