Secretary Kerry: GOP campaign rhetoric is 'embarrassment to our country'

The world quakes after the Obama administration buried the gun and badge


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 28, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: A Fox News alert. Hello, everyone, I'm Greg Gutfeld. Shots rang out on Capitol Hill this afternoon after a man showed up and pointed a gun at officers. The shooter was wounded and taken into custody. The White House was briefly put on lockdown. The latest now from Fox is James Rosen. Hi, James.

JAMES ROSEN, CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Greg, good afternoon. From a sunny and breezy Capitol Hill, where the tourists are visiting, the school children are touring the Capitol Visitor Center, and all that was disrupted by the this incident around 2:39 p.m. Eastern Time today at the Capitol Visitor Center. That is separate from the Capitol dome, but it's on the Capitol Hill complex. And it was at the north screening entrance where, apparently, a male visitor to the Capitol Visitor Center, someone who had been known to authorities due to a previous incident, showed up, tried to get through the magnetometers with the weapon. The weapon triggered off the magnetometers. This suspect then reached apparently for the weapon, we are told by law enforcement and were shot by one, perhaps more than one U.S. Capitol police officer. That suspect is now undergoing surgery in a nearby hospital, condition unknown. No officers were injured during the encounter. However, we're told that one bystander was injured, slightly, during this event. It's not clear yet whether there was an exchange of gunfire or it was just the Capitol police who fired off their weapons, injuring this assailant. And so far, we probably should consider ourselves lucky that there is no greater lost of life involved here, given how crowded and busy the Capitol Visitor Center was on this otherwise, gorgeous spring day Greg.

GUTFELD: Thanks, James. All right, if anything else happens, let us know.

All right, to the monologue: Like a rusted garage door needing a gallon of WD-40, John Kerry opened his mouth this weekend, defending 'Tango-bama's recent terror response. I bet he says the president's schedule isn't set by terrorists:


JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: The president of the United States' schedule is not set by terrorists. The president of the United States has major diplomatic responsibilities. He has to engage with other countries. That is an important part of trying to build a relationship and achieve some of our goals with respect to human rights, with respect to transformation in Syria, in Cuba and elsewhere.

Life doesn't stop because one terrible incident takes place in one place.


GUTFELD: Says the man so wooden, Orkin sprays him weekly.

But he's right, life doesn't stop unless you're in Brussels or Pakistan and it's shredded to pieces. But for Kerry, there's bigger fish than ISIS: Climate change, wage gaps, Argentinean dance instructors. Here's the talking tree on how the world views Trump:


KERRY: Every leader I meet, they ask about what is happening in America. They cannot believe it. I think it is fair to say that they are shocked. They don't know where it's taking the United States of America. It upsets people's sense of equilibrium about our steadiness, about our reliability. And to some degree, I must say to you, some of the questions the way they're posed to me, it's clear to me that what's happening is an embarrassment to our country.


GUTFELD: Yes. After so much terror, this is the world's concern: Trump. I think I can speak for all of us: I don't care what the world thinks. They don't have the best track record. Just eight years ago, a new leader received the Nobel Prize for just being him. His vague "hope and change" lauded for ending the America of old. Tired of the world's policemen, Obama and world buried its badge and gun. Now in 2016, the world's quakes: Where's that gun, that badge?

Sure, Trump's an impulsive hydrant. But can the fear he causes worldwide be worse than Obama's aloof uselessness? This is the pendulum swing coming after eight years of odd priorities, favoritism towards enemies, snubbing of allies, dismissal of our own safety, all in the service of world acclaim for Obama.

After slumming in a globe of ghouls, maybe it's time for us to be the scary guy on the block. That disheveled tattooed lump with a pit bull and bloodshot eyes. Because if we learned anything this weekend, all love gets you in this world is killed.

Jedediah, I saw you on "The View," did a good job today.


GUTFELD: As usual.

BILA: Thank you.

GUTFELD: Here's my issue with Kerry. Do you honestly believe him, that like if he was going around the world and that's all these were world leaders were talking about and Trump. And even he was -- if they weren't, he would have to say that.

BILA: Right.

GUTFELD: You know?

BILA: He doesn't realize there are bigger problems. Like the whole world, people suffering with poverty, with terrorism; they're all talking about Donald Trump. And somehow Obama doing the wave at a baseball game when Americans are injured and dead, that's not embarrassing. But Donald Trump and Ted Cruz fighting, that's a cause for world humiliation. He's ridiculous with the president has been an embarrassment on this, among other things. When you have our men and women out there that are dying and being injured, and you've got the president acting like this, it's a bunch of none sense, and he knows that. He's trying to cover up for him, but no one's buying what he's selling.

GUTFELD: All right. But Ebony, we know that we know the logic behind this. If you start -- if you, if you change your plans, then it looks like the terrorists have an edge. So you must continue with your tango lessons.



EBONY WILLIAMS, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: You know what? Look, I said it and I'll say it again. I agree Greg. I think the White House has got this miscalculated. I think the Obama administration has come out through their correspondents and said this is us being strong. This is us not letting terrorism dictate what we do as America. And on a basic level, I actually get that, but it's not translating that way. It looks like to Jedediah's point, they we're burying our head in the sand and acting like this is not a problem, when obviously it's very much so it. And I mean, it's also looks like a little bit, Greg. He's talking out of both sides of his mouth. I'm talking about the president, because you say that this is our priority. We have to be able to defeat ISIS, now he's got into that point. But then we don't disrupt anything when 30 plus people are murdered.

GUTFELD: What do you think Eric? Do you think this whole idea of staying calm is -- I mean --




BOLLING: I think definitely part of the problem. And I agree with Jedediah, that's embarrassing. When President Obama is doing the wave, he's got his shades back, he's kicking back with the ESPN doing the only the interview asking, why are you here? And he said look -- along the lines of what you say if we change our routine and they're winning. No, there were at least nine American were missing at the time of the wave. T least three of them has been confirmed dead since then. So it's OK. You know, I'm not suggesting he drops everything, comes back to D.C. and handle it from there, I'm saying, just don't do things that optically are so bad as Ebony points out. You know what else is embarrassing, when he went golfing six minutes after announcing that an American was beheaded by ISIS. That's embarrassing. It's also embarrassing when he calls ISIS the JV team as they're expanding. And lastly, Hillary Clinton is saying that, here's how we handle things like this. We handle it by being vigilant and using diplomacy. Something's -- really, because we've been vigilant, we've tried her diplomacy. It doesn't seem to be worried.


GUTFELD: Dana, we know that, we know how the media reacts when a republican president does something that optically isn't. Like whether it's President Bush reading a book --

PERINO: That they try to startle young children?

GUTFELD: Yeah, exactly and --

PERINO: Do you think Michael Moore is going to make a movie about this?

GUTFELD: I doubt it. No. His last movie (inaudible) by the way, so I don't think he will be making movies for quite some time. Maybe he should get on nutri-system. If Romney did the tango and if our President Romney or President McCain had done the tango in Argentina after this, the world would burst their eardrums.

PERINO: Well, I do think there are certain times that the look of something -- the optics of something, is out of whack with what you're actually doing behind the scenes, and sometimes you never recover from that.


PERINO: So Michael Moore decided to make a movie about watch this dry.


PERINO: Ss if that meant to President Bush didn't care anything about the war, he just wants to play golf. The flyover over hurricane Katrina, considered to be the same. If you're President Obama, have you other ones, for example, going to the fund-raiser the next day in Las Vegas after the Benghazi terror attack. He also called to congratulate the Belgium leader on Friday, when they -- last Friday, before last, when they arrested the terrorists. And then they put out an announcement, and the Belgium was patting themselves on the back. But I thought Mark Thiessen, the columnist in the FN -- I think his the Fox News contributor as well, made the point that, why was anybody telling -- telegraphing to the world that they have captured this terrorist, instead of interrogating him.


PERINO: . to try to get the information to prevent the terror attack that happened on Monday, which was accelerated because they knew had he had been captured.


PERINO: And we know that their interrogation didn't even try.


PERINO: . to do that. And yes, I very much believe that most of the leaders of the world are not asking about what should we do to prevent terrorist attacks? But instead are worried about Trump. I guarantee that it's what they're asking about.

GUTFELD: There could be world leaders that are going -- and like, you know, finally, get rid of this guy. But they -- But I don't think Kerry wanted to transmit that information to America. By the way, Trump and Cruz would have been very critical to the administration in terms of foreign policy, standing in the world. Let's listen to them from this weekend, shall we? OK, Greg.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't think America is a safe place for Americans. You want to know the truth. I don't think England or -- I don't think Europe is a safe place. No, I don't. I think there are a lot of problems in Europe that are very, very severe, weak. You know, lots of the free world has become weak.

TED CRUZ, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: For seven years, President Obama and Hillary Clinton and this administration have been so bound up by political correctness; they refuse to acknowledge what it is it we're fighting. They refuse to even to name that to have everyone to these attacks; the president does a national TV conference where he refuses to say the words radical Islamic terrorism. Instead, he lectures Americans on Islamophobia.


PERINO: Well, very short point on this. I think it's -- the statics are amazing. And this is a record that Obama, and Kerry, and Hillary Clinton are going to have to answer for it. And Cruz, and Trump, and whoever else; Kasich decides that they want to press on it. Deaths from jihadist have risen. This is amazing, about 2500 innocents a year, between the years of 2001 to 2006. Today, been 2014 to 2015, that is 28,000 a year. So I do think that if you're just looking at measurements of fighting the war on terror that can -- certainly they're not contained. And you could argue that ISIS has more ability to plot and plan terror attacks from safe havens than they did from before President Obama took office.

GUTFELD: But then again, Jedediah, people would say, well, that's obviously America's fault.

BILA: Yeah --

GUTFELD: For meddling.

BILA: Well, isn't everything?


BILA: And everything our fault? All of these Islamic extremists are somehow our fault. I think Trump is pointing out the issue of homegrown terrorists and that you do have these enclaves of Islamic extremism throughout the country. And that has to be address. And for me, it's a big issue here is that, I don't see how Hillary is viewed as -- from the strong point when it comes to national security. She's been out there and had to defend this administration, repeatedly. And this administration had failed on this. They lied about what level threat we've had, they said that they're taking it seriously, going after ISIS -- they're not. And she's now the front- runner and has to stand there and defend this. And from my perspective, republicans can only win on national security. Trump, in particular, looks very tough on this issue. Cruz does as well. And I think the American public, once they start to realize that this is a homegrown problem, this could be potentially be right in our backyard, right here, not far away, not something that is untouchable, but something that could be right here, tomorrow or today. I think people are gonna look and say Hillary Clinton is not someone that inspires confidence or security for me.

WILLIAMS: I also think that to Dana's statistics, I'm someone who was willing to give the president the benefit of the doubt, originally when he talked about his plan for ISIS. OK, like, let's hear it. I want to hear what you have to say. When you talk about it being a JV squad, when you talked about not taking it so seriously, not wanting to give them a platform to promote what they're doing and promote their agenda. But we see the number and the death toll go up, that's when even I have to ask legitimate questions about, if the strategy is not working, Mr. President, we gave you an opportunity here. Now, when is the adjustment going to take place?

BOLLING: Can I just throw one thing in here, we didn't hear President Obama speak on this very much, but we did hear him suggest that in the aftermath of Brussels, we have to as Americans, we have to be sure, we don't change the way we look at the refugee program. In other words, let's take more refugees. I'm hearing, could be right that we are actually taking more than what we -- they're even letting us know. So they're coming in, they're -- I guess they're going through the vetting process.

WILLIAMS: That's the lack of adjustment that I'm talking about Eric.

BOLLING: Right. But --


BOLLING: But with come out -- is this really the time to be talking about taking more refugees, knowing how controversial that topic is right now?

BILA: He's tone deaf.

WILLIAMS: Dangerous, dangerous.

BILA: He doesn't -- and he's also has a legacy at this point. I mean, he was one foot out the door. And right now, I think it's all about legacy for him. And he's, look, he's the guy that, he's not strong on this issue. Everyone knows he's not strong on terrorism.

GUTFELD: But you --

BILA: And so --

GUTFELD: You got dumped. You got dumped. Castro, remember, he put out that -- went out and put out his hand to Castro and Castro wrote an op-ed basically saying, leave us alone. We don't want you.



GUTFELD: Fidel Castro did, that's got to hurt, you know.


GUTFELD: That was -- he was reaching out to an adversary, and the adversary said no. Why don't we do that? I don't understand.


GUTFELD: Yes. All right, coming up, a live report from Brussels where authorities freed a man today who's arrested as a suspect in last Tuesday's bombings, details ahead.


BOLLING: To the developments now in Brussels, the dead toll in last Tuesday's bombings has risen to 35 and investigators have surprisingly released the man who they initially identify as suspected accomplice to the attackers. But judge rule there was no evidence to justify holding him. Meanwhile, the man in white, seen on camera, with the bomber was still at large. Mike Tobin is live in Brussels with more. Mike, the very latest, bring us some speed please.

MIKE TOBIN, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, that was a big setting back for investigators. They thought they had their biggest catch yet, in this investigation, a man that locals had identified as the mysterious third bomber. But as far I see as he was identify by prosecutors was facing the most stiff charges of anyone who's been picked up yet including a terrorist murder. But they had to let him go because protocol mandates that they send this before an investigating judge, and the investigating judge determined there was not enough evidence to hold him. So whoever the mysterious third bomber is sometimes is called the man on hat or the man in light coat. He is still at large. If I shall see walks away from this a free man. The investigation continues at a fast and furious pace on 13 raids yesterday, two raids today in the western part of the country. There have been raids in Rotterdam, in the Netherlands that was connected to a raid in Paris. There was a raid Italy that picked up a potential document order. Investigators are coming away with documents, weapons, explosives, phones and sim cards. And what is emerging is a picture of a very shadowy complex network that spread all over Europe. People communicating with cell phones, text messages, prepaid sim cards, encrypted Smartphone apps. Evidence of this problem right now, and one of the troubled neighborhoods a neighborhoods called (inaudible) that a text message circulating at this moment, encouraging young men to jihad. Investigators can't track it down, because it's coming from a prepaid card, Eric?

BOLLING: All right Mike, thank you very much. Jihadist moved their holy war to Pakistan this weekend, blowing themselves up in a park where Christians were gathering to celebrate Easter. At least 70 killed, about 300 others injured. A branch of the Taliban claimed responsibility and said they were targeting Christians, but the Obama administration, of course, left that important detail out in its initial response to the attack. The State Department didn't want to get ahead of itself, and then the White House pointed out Christians weren't the only ones killed.


JOHN KIRBY, STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESPERSON: I didn't mention in my statement that, you know, this was specifically targeted against Christians on Easter Sunday, was as much a fact just -- much an indication of the fact that it just happened and we didn't know that much about the attack at the outset.

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Even though this terror attack was targeted at Christians, a religious minority in Pakistan. Again, that is in and out of itself grotesque, but the fact of the matter is that based on the names that we're seeing now, that majority of the victims were actually Muslims.


BOLLING: The president himself has said nothing about the latest slaughtered of Christians, but he did called Americans to the open to welcoming more Muslims to the United States this weekend.


BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: We have to wield another weapon alongside our air strikes, our military and our counterterrorism work and our diplomacy, and that's the power of our example. Our openness to refugees fleeing ISIL's violence is determination to win the battle against ISIL's hateful and violent propaganda, a distorted view of Islam that aims to radicalize young Muslims to their cause.


BOLLING: You know, Ebony -- Josh Earnest saying, yeah, this group of the Taliban, the offshoot Taliban did say they were targeting Christians on Easter Sunday. But you know there are other people killed too. What are they afraid of? They're even admitting to it.

WILLIAMS: I'm going to say this, and I'm really glad you came to me first, Eric, on this. Because, as I said, I supported the president, I voted for him. This is -- makes me -- I'm almost shaking. I'm so upset and here's why. Because I believe this White House in an effort to respect -- he said something else, Josh Earnest, religious minority. I think that's the issue we're not talking about. I think this White House is so concerned with protecting the religious minority in our country which we know to be Muslims. I think they're less than 2 percent or right around -- no. I'm sorry, less than 1 percent of (inaudible) million. And in doing so, they're overcompensating. They are not calling a thing a thing. I think in an effort to protect a religious minority, while I can appreciate the sentiment there. I am absolutely angered and saddened at the price that we are all paying internationally for that overcompensation.

BOLLING: And do they sit around saying, OK, this Taliban group took credit for -- they blame, they attack as they're targeting Christians and they said -- how do they not mention it? And then Josh Earnest finding out later, how does he not comes circle back and say, look, it's an outrage that Christians are being targeted around the world, and it needs to stop.


PERINO: Well, I could imagine.

BOLLING: Give us a thought process in those meetings.

PERINO: I would imagine that the direction is coming from the top. I mean, you don't make that kind of a statement without checking first with either the secretary of state or the president. So I think that they have been trying -- they've been doing this for years. They have to walk on egg shells about their topics. I actually think there will be much better off like -- they could just quote the Taliban.


PERINO: But they don't actually have to say that they believe the Taliban is targeting Christians in Pakistan on Easter Sunday, because the Taliban said they are targeting Christians on Easter Sunday. There was a BBC report. They were so neutral, it said, police are still investigating. But why are you investigating, when the Taliban said that this is what they did. I think it is time that we take them at their word.


PERINO: And that will -- And then Josh Earnest or the State Department -- they don't have to come up with their own language that says that President Obama said that. You just quote the Taliban.

BOLLING: Greg, Muslims were killed.


BOLLING: Isn't it time for Muslims to say, hey, enough. You're targeting Christians but Muslims are getting killed too. Where is the outrage in the Muslim Community?

GUTFELD: They're -- it says something that they're as terrified of radical Muslim -- of that radical Islam. That Muslims are terrified of radical Islam. They're so scared. And that's why you don't hear about it, and maybe through back channel, they're trying to help. But the biggest cause of stupidity as you can see is stubbornness. President Obama is stubborn. He cannot admit that he was wrong from the start and believes, therefore believes that backlash, the idea, the concept of backlash is actually worse than the act of terror itself. When you're watching the west, when you're watching Europe, or you're watching our politicians trying to make sense of terror, it's like a dog looking at a flat screen. They see all the images, but they don't know where it comes from, and they're eternally surprised by it. It's like, oh, my God, whoa! Where did that come from? They -- and they were -- they said it's from radical Islam? I didn't hear that before. They have the short term memory of a guppy, because they can't admit to themselves that they were wrong from the start.

BOLLING: Jedediah, Greg's right. The Obama administration is so worried about backlash. They don't want to offend anyone. But look at Brussels, Brussels did not fight terror. They're not ISIS' enemy. The west is including two countries surrounding Brussels. Again, Brussels is like the biggest gun free zone in the world. Now you saw it, Brussels is a soft target. Who cares about backlash?

BILA: Yeah.


BILA: No, it's true but it's not only that they're complacent and concerned about backlash. But the policy, when it comes to the refugees, it's going to make things -- I mean, I don't even know who he is talking to out there. Anyone with common sense is going to look at that and say, the screening process is flawed. We don't know who these people are. Everyone is keep saying, well, let in the women and children. And then you see photos of these people, and its men of fighting age. So don't try to tell me I'm anti- women and children because I'm concerned that young men who could potentially be link to Islamic extremism, will be coming to this country, and then getting into those enclaves around the country, and then you have more homegrown terrorism. So I think he's going to lose a lot of points on this. Because when you have things like this going on around the world, and when you know what's going on. I mean, anyone who reads the news knows that this is a tough time when it comes to terrorism. And that this policy makes absolutely no comment about.


PERINO: And the bombers weren't -- I agree, like the future refugee is a problem, is a question, and it's actually, is it really only solved at its source, make the refugees want to go home.

BILA: Yeah.


PERINO: That's where we should spend our money, but the people that perpetrated these acts. And Brussels were born in Brussels.


PERINO: So that -- throes the refugee thing out the window.

BOLLING: All right. We got to leave right there. They're wrapping us.

Ahead, the Clinton e-mail investigation enters a new phase as the FBI reportedly arranges interviews with her top aides and the secretary herself, that's next.


BASH: Hillary Clinton is well on her way to locking up the nomination, the most daunting threat to her candidacy still looms. The FBI's investigation of her private e-mail server. The Washington Post says the agency is accelerating the investigation, putting -- get this -- 147 agents on the case. The L.A. Times says the FBI started setting up interviews with some of her closest aides and will also be speaking with the secretary herself.

Judge Napolitano expects there will be an announcement on the case soon.


JUDGE ANDREW NAPOLITANO, FOX NEWS JUDICIAL ANALYST: The Democrats need to know whether or not they're about to nominate somebody for president who might be a criminal defendant in a felony prosecution by November.


NAPOLITANO: They should know that now. Prediction: something will happen by May.


BASH: What do you think?

GUTFELD: I'll do my imitation of Judge. "It's not in the Constitution."

It's got to be weird to work or know the Clintons. Because at a certain point three things will happen. One, you will be questioned by the authorities. Two, you will end up in court. Three, you will sleep with Bill. It might be in that order. But I think her way out of this is to blame it on her husband, because seriously, who else would have needed a basement server than him, with his browsing history?

BASH: It did start with him. I mean, that Washington Post...

GUTFELD: I'm telling you, I mean, whatever he searches for on that computer, that browsing history is probably dirtier than a construction port-a-potty. Stay away from it.

BASH: I was surprised, Eboni, that they said 147 FBI agents. So if you are defend -- if your client, you find out, has 147 agents -- would it take that many agents?

WILLIAMS; You know what, Dana? It tells me that it, indeed, accelerated. I worked on federal cases, and this thing is only about 10 months in. So to say that -- by the time they're interviewing Hillary Clinton herself and her close aides, that's what we call final phase.

That means that the FBI has gotten the meat of what they need. And now is their opportunity to kind of get her to say...


WILLIAMS: Yes, well, and also try to kind of incriminate her, get her to say some things that, if this does go to trial, she will then be kind of in contradiction to herself.

So 147 people on an FBI case, that's humongous, the fact that they're wrapping this thing up, kind of looks like within the year, it's very much accelerated. And I agree with the judge: it's only fair that the Democrats know for fact if the candidate that they are voting for and tell people out there polling all this stuff and standing in long lines, is even eligible for the presidency.

BASH: And another thing we found out in the article from -- in "The Washington Post" by Robert O'Hara Jr. was that Bryan Pagliano, the one who got immunity, he was the first ever political appointee to work for the State Department's I.T. department. Meaning that you don't need a political appointee in the I.T. department, because you're going to just, like, set up the computer. But he was the first political appointee to ever walk in that office.

BOLLING: The way I understand this now, there were some e-mails that were exposed to Hillary Clinton, where there was concern about this private server. And apparently, she had e-mailed someone back saying, "I got it or I'm on it." Or basically saying, "I understand."

And then there was a period of time where nothing happened, and then she started using the server again, which would tell me she was aware of the problem. She decided to skirt, go around and continue.

Now, if you're -- you would know this. If you have classified information in a folder that you' just got finished talking to the president about, and you go and have dinner with Jedediah and leave the folder...

BASH: Drop it.

BOLLING: ... or leave it.

BASH: And then go to the bathroom?

BOLLING: You're going to be in a lot of trouble. So she's doing far worse than that. It wasn't like a mistake. Like I said, any mere mortal who's running for president, with all that's going on, would be walked out the door.

BASH: That's what I think, Jedediah, is that the State Department-- if the Justice Department feels any sort of pressure that she's a high-profile person and that she's a presidential candidate, that they're worried about prosecuting her. I think they should put some blinders on and say, "OK, if this were Jane Doe, what would we do?"

BILA: Yes, they have to. I mean, they have to, because everyone's watching. And once again, it's like people with common sense, they forget there are regular people out there watching this, saying was the information classified? How much of it was classified? Were the classified markings removed? There's so many questions. She's got this server. I mean, it's so ridiculous. She could be indicted.

And you've got Democrats screaming, "Oh, Donald Trump. Oh, Ted Cruz." This woman might be indicted. You're not embarrassed? I mean, Joe Biden is sitting somewhere saying, "Am I going to have to do this? I really didn't plan on this." But that's how bad this is.

I mean, she's -- she's a disgrace and she's in really deep with all of this to see -- and then you have the transparency issues. I mean, I don't even know what this woman can run on. People keep telling me she's so efficient. Where is it?

WILLIAMS: No, it's certainly that bad, Jedediah. And to the point, you know, she's absolutely gotten herself into such a mess. And I think that many Americans will think the opposite. They will think that the knee jerk of the FBI is to protect her, and so everything I've heard about Jim Comey, the FBI director, is that he is apolitical. He is above that, and he certainly wouldn't want to be seen as playing into that type of politics. And maybe that works against Hillary.

BASH: Watch out if you're one of her aides.


BASH: All of them have to hire lawyers. There's a fourth thing that happens.


BASH: Is you definitely go into legal debt, because you can't afford the lawyers.

GUTFELD: Before we go, can I just say what a great job the FOX I.T. Department does for all of us. They really are -- they really do a bang- up. They are fantastic. I mean...

BASH: I love them.

GUTFELD: They're the unsung heroes of everything we do.

BASH: I agree. I think they're great.

All right. I think there's a hidden message in there.

BOLLING: You are going to so take that back.

BASH: All right. Yes, be careful, Greg.

GUTFELD: That's what I'm doing. It's a preemptive strike. It's a preemptive strike. I don't want them to go into my stuff.

BOLLING: I love the I.T. Department, for the record.

GUTFELD: They're the best.

PERINO: They always answer my calls.

GUTFELD: They are the best.

PERINO: All right. After three more landslide victories, Bernie Sanders is calling on Hillary Clinton's pledge super delegates to defect. Will they consider that?

Plus, John Kasich thinks it's time for Trump and Cruz to get out, not him. When "The Five" returns.


BILA: The battle for delegates moves to Wisconsin next Tuesday, and though the math is not in their favor, John Kasich and Bernie Sanders have no plans to exit the race. Kasich argues his rivals should be the ones to get out.


GOV. JOHN KASICH (R-OH), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If I'd have gotten out, Trump would be the nominee. He would have won Ohio. And frankly, we'll win some districts in Wisconsin. We'll move to Pennsylvania, where I'm basically in a statistical tie with Trump, and when we go to New York and everywhere else, we're going to pick up delegates. So it's absurd. It's absurd. You know, if you really want, let them consolidate behind me, because frankly, I'm the one that can win in the fall, and I'm the one that can get the cross-over vote.


BILA: Sanders says he has the momentum to win his party's nomination, after picking up three more states over the weekend. His strategy now is to get Hillary Clinton's super delegates to reconsider.


SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We've won the last five out of six contests, all of them in landslide victories. I think the momentum is with us. A lot of these super delegates may rethink their position with Secretary Clinton. A lot of them have not yet declared.

Then you've got super delegates who are in states that we win by 40 or 50 points. I think their own constituents are going to say to them, "Hey, why don't you support the people of our state? Vote for Sanders."


BILA: Dana, as he was speaking, I saw you nodding. Does he have a point?

BASH: Yes, I think if you're -- if you're Sanders or Kasich, and you're looking at your numbers and your polls and the long game, yes, they both have points.

And another reason I was nodding is I feel like Bernie Sanders improves as a candidate. Other people kind of are just, like, steady the same person all along. But Bernie Sanders has improved, the one thing that he still seems very reluctant to do is to attack her where she's most vulnerable. The thing about the e-mails, he could bring it back up. The fact that she's got a 64 percent untrustworthy mark. And I also think that he's got a good point. When you are winning in the mid-80s, 84 percent, 82 percent in key states for Democrats. Yes, I think he's got a good point.

BILA: Kasich also is the only one, when you look at national polling, he comes off as the guy who beats Hillary Clinton. So do you think that's part of the reason why he's staying, and that he figures if no one gets the proper amount of delegates, he has a chance to be the guy?

GUTFELD: That's the only way, because it's like saying I can win the World Series, even though I can't make the playoffs.

What Sanders did, he got 73 percent in Washington, 82 percent in Alaska, 71 percent in Hawaii. All -- what do these three states have in common? Very outdoorsy. Very -- you've got a lot of climbers and hikers and people who make jewelry out of driftwood.

BOLLING: There's one more.


BOLLING: It's very white.

GUTFELD: Oh, really?

BOLLING: Oh, yes.


BOLLING: So the reason why Sanders is going to have a hard time going forward, yes, he's done great. And actually, he's within -- if every super delegate left Hillary -- and they can -- and went to Sanders, he'd have a statistical tie, but they wouldn't.

But here's his issue going-forward. Northeast has a very higher percentage. African-American population in the states coming here, he gets destroyed in those states.

PERINO: Loyal voters.

WILLIAMS: Yes, I don't blame John Kasich at all for staying in this thing, because Greg's right, numbers-wise, it doesn't make sense for him. But I don't think John Kasich loses anything by staying in there. And I think, you know, he does, to your point, have the most compelling argument about being the best general-election candidate. He is appealing to many moderates and independents. I think he'd be strong there.

But it doesn't matter if you can't get the nomination. And certainly, you know -- but I didn't think he has any real incentive to get out at this point. Just go to the convention.

BILA: What about a Trump or Cruz pair with Kasich? Yes or no? You think that could work? One of them pairs...

BOLLING: They don't need to.

BILA: They don't need to?

BOLLING: No. I mean...


BILA: ... Hillary, they might be.

BOLLING: Oh, you mean Kasich...

BILA: Yes, yes.

BOLLING: Forget it, he would never.

BILA: They say that. They all lie.

BOLLING: He's not interested (ph) in Cruz. He's certainly not going to be...

BILA: You can't believe politicians.

All right. Well, the Final Four are set, and it's not the teams "The Five" were expected. We'll make some new predictions on the championship game. And see how that goes, next.


WILLIAMS: There were 68 teams, and now there are only 4. Yes, the Final Four are set after a college basketball season full of all kinds of surprises and upsets.

North Carolina, Syracuse, Oklahoma and Villanova will be battling it out for the NCAA championship. And one of the most dramatic and unexpected comebacks came from Syracuse just last night. They gave the No. 1 seed UVA after trailing by 15 points with less than 10 minutes left in the game. That game was crazy. Syracuse is the first No. 10 seed to advance all the way to the Final Four in tournament history.

OK. Erick you're the only one at the table that had the original bracket when this thing first went down. So tell us, who did you pick for the Final Four?

BOLLING: Originally, I had -- I had Kansas beating North Carolina. That's the original.

WILLIAMS: Right, OK. Understand.

BOLLING: Right, right. Now what we did is we redid our brackets.


BOLLING: And the Final Four. And now I have UNC taking the whole thing over Oklahoma. Oklahoma's had an amazing run. What a great basketball team.

WILLIAMS: Yes, they've got a strong program. I'm picking my -- my school, UNC, to win it all. The thing that I think is going to put us on top. You know, Oklahoma has a great, great player. A lot of these programs are classic. Villanova, I mean, that's a strong program. But I think we've got the most weapons, and I think overall, we'll do the best.

BOLLING: I think you will, too.

WILLIAMS: OK, Dana. Let's talk about mascots.

PERINO: Well, I said I would wait until there was four, and then I would do Dana's mascot theory to see. And -- but I'm already changing my mind, because Jeannie Momo (ph) just e-mailed me, and she's a Tar Heel, so now I'd be like, can a ram beat a horse? Because I am going to go Oklahoma winning the whole thing. OK, because...


PERINO: ... I think horses are strong, and I think that a horse can either outrun or kick in the head a ram. But then if a ram came up from behind, Jeannie still might have a chance. And I think that -- I do think that a wildcat can beat an orange. That's just, like, common sense.

WILLIAMS: That is common sense.

BOLLING: An orange.

PERINO: You can do all sorts of things to an orange.

GUTFELD: Tell me about it.

BOLLING: OK. A wildcat and a Sooner. A Sooner is a horse.

PERINO: I still think that the horse can outrun or kick in the face a wildcat.

BOLLING: I didn't know a Sooner was a horse.

PERINO: Oh, well...

WILLIAMS: Learn something every day.

BILA: Well, I'm lost, so I called my dad, who's the basketball expert. Hi, Tony. Is the basketball expert. Used to be (ph) a cheerleader, should understand this stuff. He picked North Carolina. I have the pom-poms, that's all I have. He picked North Carolina, and to quote him, he said his heart is with Villanova, but North Carolina will take it.

WILLIAMS: You know what? My heart and everything is with -- now Villanova, they have a legacy program. You know, you can't count them out at all. So we'll see what happens. But you know. Greg.

GUTFELD: My four picks, I picked little people versus the elderly, the unathletic versus the chickens. The elderly and the chickens will advance, and the chickens will be the final champion.

The reason why I picked these four groups is because none of them can participate in organized sports at this level, because basketball, college basketball reeks of athletic privilege. We have social justice warriors now demanding quotas and face spaces and inclusion in all areas of our life. But not in sports. You know, there are no -- if you're not athletic, you can't play sports. College basketball in all sports reeks of athletic privilege. All of them should be allowed to play.

BILA: I feel unsafe.

WILLIAMS: Well, never, ever see so many...

GUTFELD: There are no chickens in college basketball.

BOLLING: That's a fact.


WILLIAMS: Let's bring it home. "One More Thing" is up next.


GUTFELD: A FOX News alert, the Justice Department now says that it successfully unlocked the phone of one of the San Bernardino terrorists with the help of a third party, not Apple. The DOJ has now officially withdrawn its request for Apple's assistance. Yes.

All right. Time for "One More Thing." Let's go to you, Dana.

PERINO: OK. I did something fun last week with Bill Hemmer on a podcast that he has. It's called 22 questions. Interestingly, I find out why it's called 22 questions. Anybody here know?

GUTFELD: That looks like a mugshot. Like you guys ran off on a bank robbery to...

PERINO: Here's a little -- it's only a 15-minute pocket, so it's not a huge commitment of your time. Here is a clip of it.


BILL HEMMER, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Favorite spot in New York?

PERINO: Central Park.

HEMMER: That was an easy one.

PERINO: But 6 to 9 a.m. when it's leash free.

HEMMER: OK, all right. Good clarification. I see it on Twitter all the time. What is your guilty pleasure?

PERINO: Chips and salsa.

HEMMER: Your favorite thing to do on the weekend?

PERINO: Walk my dog.


PERINO: It's actually true, but it's a fun thing.

BOLLING: I bet you I know 22. Baseball or football number?

PERINO: Football.

GUTFELD: The weird thing about the weekends, Hemmer is not leash-free. Anyway.

BOLLING: How do you know that?

PERINO: You listened to our podcast.

BOLLING: OK. Let's move right on. Tonight, take a look at this; you have to check this out, a big, big "O'Reilly Factor" tonight. Donald Trump is going to be on, and I'm going to ask him about the refugee program that President Obama was talking about. I'm also going to go deep into his foreign policy. We're going to talk a lot about that.

And then later on, Karl Rove is going to come on and talk about stuff.

But for my "One More Thing," Easter Monday, check this out. I love dogs. I'm a God-fearing man. How about a God-fearing dog that prays before he eats? Look at Kahlua with his owner, Chris. Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sit, buddy. Sit, stay. Stay.

Lord, we ask that you bless this food and use it to nourish our bodies. We're very grateful and appreciative for everything we have. Thank you for everything. In Jesus name we pray, amen.

Good boy.


BOLLING: Good boy, for sure.

PERINO: Pretty cute.

GUTFELD: You know, that dog's thinking, "There's no God."

All right. Who's next? Me. Oh. Time for...


GUTFELD: Greg's Robot News.


GUTFELD: This is exciting stuff. Dominos in Brisbane, Australia, now is trying to deliver pizzas, deliver pizzas via robots. So the pizza gets stuffed in there, and then it drives about 12 to 15 miles an hour, virtue of a GPS, to somebody's house. And then this is the phony part where they actually take the pizza without tipping over the robot, because that's what I would do. I would tip over the robot and kick it, and take its money, because I'm a jerk living in Brisbane, Australia.

All right. I'm moving to Eboni.

WILLIAMS: All right. So this is exciting. When Sean "P. Diddy" Combs has a new project -- no, not a new album. He is opening a charter school in my old backyard in Harlem. Yes, he's opening -- he's partnering Capitol Preparatory Schools. They have a successful program already going on in Connecticut. Dr. Steve Perry is going to head that up with him. And I thought this was really cool and exciting. Everyone that knows me knows that education is near and dear to my heart. He comes out with a little statement, opening up opportunities. At least every kid should get an opportunity. New school in Harlem, backed by Diddy. There you go.

GUTFELD: All right, Jedediah.

BILA: Well, one of Greg's friends in Australia got a little rowdy, had to get a police escort, apparently. Take a look. See the koala? I mean, I don't know what Greg does.

GUTFELD: Sergeant Fluffy.

BILA: Queensland couple Mike and Leanne (ph) filmed the moment in Brisbane Valley, shared it on social media. He's adorable, but clearly, Greg is going to need to stop hanging out with these.

GUTFELD: Adorable but incredible flatulence.

BILA: Oh, really?

GUTFELD: Yes. Can't let him in the house. It's horrible. Yes. That's why he lives in a treehouse.

BILA: You've got to be a better example for the koalas.

GUTFELD: Nicely done.

All right. Set your DVRs, so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is up next.

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