All eyes on crucial Republican primaries in Ohio and Florida

Make or break day as candidates battle for delegates


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 15, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

It's a make or break day in the race for the White House on the Super Tuesday part. Two, voting is underway in five states including the key states of Ohio and Florida that could reshape the race for both parties. Donald Trump and Ted Cruz are looking to pull away from the rest of the pack, but Marco Rubio and John Kasich, absolutely need to come out on top of their home state turf, home turf to stay in the race. With more than a quarter of the delegates needed to clinch the party nomination up for grabs, the stakes couldn't be higher. All four republican rivals are picking big wins tonight.


SEN. MARCO RUBIO, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think a lot of people are going to be embarrassed tonight and are going to want refunds from the money they spent on these polls, because we're going to win Florida and we feel very optimistic about that.

SEN. TED CRUZ, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If we stand together as one we will win this nomination and beat Donald Trump. We will win the general election and beat Hillary Clinton and we will turn this country around.


GOV. JOHN KASICH, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There's no way I would team up with Donald Trump. No way. Forget it. I'm going to be the nominee because we're going to win Ohio and we're going to move across this country with a positive attitude of bringing people together.

DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We are going to win, win, win. We're going to win so much. You are going to be so proud of your country again. I love you, Ohio. You can make the difference. You can make the difference. Tell your friends, vote for Trump.


BOLLING: All right KG, you want -- look, he is in Ohio. He spent -- Donald Trump.


BOLLING: He spent a lot of time in Ohio. They all did. But, you know, he may have it down that it comes down to Ohio.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Well, look. This is why tonight is so super exciting. And it seems interesting to see the level of confidence that the rest of the candidates are showing. They're pretty good salesmen, because Marco Rubio saying how confident he is about Florida. He's challenging about the polls saying that there is a tremendous disparity that's being shown in the polls that will not be evidence when the results come. And tonight, John Kasich obviously hitting it hard because it comes down to Ohio for him to make a compelling case that he should be the one that should be considered, you know, against Trump, the alternative to Trump versus Cruz, who really hasn't done as well in southern states or caucuses, things of that nature, and has may able to branch out to some of the other groups. So I think it's very fascinating how this is going to play out tonight.

BOLLING: What do you think? Do you think the -- if Marco Rubio does not win his home state of Florida, he should? It doesn't look like he's going to drop out, but he should or shouldn't?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I think, you know, it's interesting because at this point, everybody is talking about his future in Florida state politics and whether or not he would run for governor, because of the term limit governor. Rick Scott there right now. But he is suffering damage in the state of Florida. So, you know what? Hats off to Marco Rubio, he believes he's going to win, Marco Rubio, good luck tonight. But I got to tell you, the polls are pretty conclusive. Now the polls are also very wrong in Michigan for Clinton last week, was it? And so they could be wrong here, but sure to that. I mean, the damage being inflicted on him by Trump and by his own kind of, you know, his hiccups he's had during his campaign have not helped his political future.

BOLLING: Dana, in Ohio, John Kasich, even if he wins Ohio, the 66 delegates there, he would still have to win more than 100 percent of the remaining delegates going forward.


BOLLING: So he is not in this to be the 1237 nominee. He may be in it to be the -- trying to get some sort of plurality and a named president -- candidate at the convention.

PERINO: At the convention? So yeah, and again, remember I mentioned that and republican, the republicans have had, I think 10 contested conventions. So it has happen before, it hasn't happened in my lifetime. And well, except for maybe in 76 and I don't remember it. Juan can answer that for me. I don't know exactly -- and of course, you were there to cover it?

WILLIAMS: No. Not really.

PERINO: I'm just kidding.

WILLIAMS: No. Not really.

PERINO: I'm kidding. So yeah, that might be his strategy. And if you listen to them they've say that they have growing support and that money is coming in. They think they'll do better in Illinois than expected and that they're on to Utah which they think could do -- he could do well in, in Pennsylvania, the state where he grew up. So he thinks that things are looking up for him. I think that what interesting is when you said it always comes down to Ohio. That's true for republicans. It also could be true tonight for the democrats, which I know we're going to talk about in the D-block later on. But in Ohio, you could actually see Hillary Clinton lose in Ohio and that is, I think that's earth shattering for them.

BOLLING: Greg, Ted Cruz, he is literally, I think numerically about the only one who could catch Trump or get Trump around for his money. Is it time for the non-Trump GOP to get behind Ted Cruz?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I think it's possible. Maybe they might have to grin and bear it. Because if you're not a fan of Cruz, you may think that because you hate him less than you hate Trump, you should go behind him. But let's look at the numbers, OK?

BOLLING: Please.

GUTFELD: Look at the numbers. I've been doing the numbers, OK? In Ohio, you have 66 delegates. Flip them over, what is that, 99.


GUTFELD: Florida delegates. All right, 9 plus 9 equals 18. How many times do six go into 18?


GUTFELD: Three, six, six, six. So whoever wins Ohio and Florida is state in.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, god.

BOLLING: These are the delegates.



GUTFELD: It is state in the antichrist. But the real contest --

GUILFOYLE: Thank God "Special Report" is next.

GUTFELD: The real contests happen last night with the bachelor. Ben Higgins, thought -- we thought he was gonna choose Jojo, but he chose Lauren, who I thought was pretty brand -- bland. That so, it tells you that there are two Ben's. Like Ben who led people to believe he was in love with Jojo, but then privately was in love with Lauren.

GUILFOYLE: That's called the producers.

GUTFELD: So there was a TV Ben and there was a private Ben. What does that sound like?

BOLLING: Yeah. That's, you know --

GUTFELD: Donald Trump.

BOLLING: Exactly, we're going to get --


BOLLING: We're actually going to get to a sound bite from the TV and private Ben in the campaign and --

GUILFOYLE: Can you have both?

BOLLING: But first this.


BOLLING: Front-runner Donald Trump is urging the GOP to unite behind him. But will his republican rivals actually support him if he clinches the party's nomination? Check it out.


CRUZ: At the outset of this campaign, I committed, I will support the republican nominee and I honor my --


CRUZ: In honoring your word means you actually honor your word. You do what you said you would do.

MARCO RUBIO: I still, at this moment, continue to intend to support the republican nominee, but it's getting harder every day.

CHUCK TODD, "MEET THE PRESS" HOST: How can you still sit there and say you'll support him if he's the nominee, if he is creating a toxic environment like this? I got to think, you're -- you seem to be struggling with this.

KASICH: Well, it's tough, I mean, but he's not going to be the nominee. I just listened to the last minute of this interview. It's everything is negative. Everything as America is losing ad we're terrible and we're -- I mean, come on.


BOLLING: So Dana, if he is the nominee and the qualifier, there is, he might not be the nominee because he has the majority. In other words, they may try and take it away at the convention.

PERINO: Well, as I mentioned that in those 10 contested republican conventions, 7 of the 10 times the person who came in with the most delegates did not end up being the nominee. And, so that has happened in the past. I'm not saying it is going to happen now, it just historically the way it is. And what those three words just describing was actually, probably where most the representative of a lot of people are in the Republican Party that haven't jumped on the Trump train yet. Were they like, OK, yes, I will always to support the republican nominee or, I don't know. I want to, but I don't know if I can or I hope it doesn't come to down to that. I think that's probably representative of where the rest of the republicans are.

WILLIAMS: I think what you're seeing though is, right now, the republican establishment is very clear. There's no dithering (ph) about this. They just put $35 million into ads against Trump right now, trying to stop him today. And a lot of it is interesting, they have things like women, you know, his comments about women, negative comments and alike. And I think those ads are aimed at one place, that's late deciders. Because what we we're seeing recently is a lot of people frontload on Trump, get very excited, they vote for Trump. But then when it comes to the last-minute voting, they tend to split. And if they can go heavily against Trump, that's what Rubio is counting on in Florida, they have a chance to beat him.

BOLLING: Can I game this with you a little bit?

GUTFELD: Sure. Game it.

BOLLING: All right. So here you have a guy who looks like he's going to be -- he's going to have the most votes, the most states, the most delegates. He may not have the 1237. If the GOP somehow takes it and gives to it somebody else besides Donald Trump or even Ted Cruz, because they're getting around 80 percent of the vote between them. If they give it to someone else, you alienate the people who voted for those two, right? They may not show up to the vote. Yet, if you don't -- if they don't do it and give to it one of those two, are the GOP establishment types going to vote for one of those two?

GUTFELD: I think the -- I think that you might find the GOP, quote, "establishment" types, being less unforgiving than you think. There are those who do strongly believe that this is the end of the world. There are those who think Trump is the second coming of Reagan. Neither of them is correct. My feeling is, it's somewhere in the middle that when you have a candidate that is basically telling everybody that he's willing to make deals, this administration may be less inflammatory and probably more benign than you be willing to admit. The fact is we have no idea what Trump would be like because he's a rhetorical chameleon. He's a verbal cross- dresser. He changes the things he says. So we have no idea.

BOLLING: But will they get behind him? Well, in the end, if it becomes a Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton, will the establishment type say, you know what? We really don't want a democrat. We need to get behind him --

GUTFELD: But I mean that you can say that it is the same question you could ask the Trump supporters. Would they get --

BOLLING: Yeah, right. I know I don't.


BOLLING: And base on what I --


BOLLING: I don't think they would either.



GUTFELD: I think that republicans, conservatives will get behind their campaign.

BOLLING: I -- I will tell you this right now. I would get, I would get behind whoever the GOP nominee has said things.

GUILFOYLE: I think that legitimately --

BOLLING: You know matter how they --

GUILFOYLE: If legitimately he doesn't end up being the GOP nominee, I think that the people are that passionate and arguing, the most of this is also about being anti-Barack Obama and his administration, and the corruption that they have felt, and the lack of respect, you know, for military and wanting to focus jobs and on immigration. So if somebody comes forward, I don't see those people, you know, jumping in line for Hillary Clinton.


GUILFOYLE: I don't see that at all.

WILLIAMS: Well, but here's the thing --

PERINO: They may not vote at all.

GUILFOYLE: For Bernie Sanders.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, that would be the problem, Dana. That they would -- that they would feel like, you know what, I just really don't want to --

PERINO: Because?

WILLIAMS: I don't feel -- I don't want to support Donald Trump. And the problem for the establishment is not just being anti-Trump and all the stuff that gets in the news recently, the violence in this a lot. It is really, as you come down to policy. If you say, do you support trade? Trump says no. You say, do you support, for example, the idea that President Bush went to war because he thought there were weapons of mass destruction, the U.S. No, no. Bush is a liar. What about social security and benefits spending? Trump says yes. We're going to protect that at all costs. We do not care about the deficit.

BOLLING: But you know what that is doing? That brought -- that brings out the people, breaking all records. We did a brain room study on this 66 percent higher turnout up until this date. Up until right now. We find out -- we've review the numbers after tonight.

WILLIAMS: Wait, wait.

BOLLING: But against it.

WILLIAMS: What is this bringing out?

BOLLING: This 6 percent --

WILLIAMS: What do you think is bringing out?

BOLLING: Well, I think you're -- I think Trump is bringing some democrats over to vote for him.

WILLIAMS: But why?

BOLLING: . there are also people who never voted before.

WILLIAMS: Is it because of a celebrity?

BOLLING: The people who have never voted before because they said, you know what, I have never voted because my vote doesn't matter anymore.

GUTFELD: But here's what I don't get from that. If he's bringing all these new people, shouldn't that also help him in the general polling of the election? Should not also shown being buoyed up by that? And also, there are way more new people going for Sanders, which mean this whole idea of new people coming may not be helpful.

BOLLING: No, no, no, the democrats are down 24 percent.

GUTFELD: No, but Sanders is getting as many new people as Trump.

BOLLING: Right, but the democrats have lost 24 percent and the republicans are getting 66 percent. And the 4 million more people have voted on the republican side. As of right now, apples to apples comparison in states than they did. In the last, there was uncontested election. I mean it's insane. It's --


GUILFOYLE: Yeah, that's an also.

BOLLING: But they're coming of something.

GUILFOYLE: . candidate excitement. Look at it, I mean, so many people say, oh, I would vote for -- I mean for Bernie Sanders or Trump. I mean there's definitely something different going on the (inaudible).

BOLLING: Let me KG as -- I don't mean to break -- breaking here, but Ben Carson who endorsed GOP front-runner, last week, had an interesting argument about what would happen if a potential Trump presidency happens to be a bust.


DR. BEN CARSON, NEUROSURGEON: The way I look it, even if Donald Trump turns out to be not such a great president, which I don't think that's the case. I think he's going to surround himself with really good people. But even if he didn't, we're only looking at four years as opposed to multiple generations and perhaps the loss of the American dream forever.


BOLLING: There's your one of the Ben's Greg.



GUTFELD: I actually think --

GUILFOYLE: Is that private Ben?

GUTFELD: I actually think this is kind of a healthy perspective about the limits of executive power. It's kind of like saying, you know, if this, if the president isn't very good, we'll vote him out. However, he has also said the next four years are the most important four years in the history of America. So he is a little -- he contradicts himself there. But then he's also, you know, he got -- he has been offered, it sounds to me like a role in this administration. So he'll be grudgingly decided to become part of it, this idea of finding the best people. I don't know if Trump is looking for a cabinet, as much as it's like a celebrity apprentice style cabinet where he fills up the board room with familiar faces. They will make everybody feel comfortable like -- there will be Christie and there will be Carson who, you know, maybe Omarosa. Who knows?

WILLIAMS: See, I think faces from TV.


WILLIAMS: That's why whenever he says, who are these generals? You've say, who are your generals -- he starts naming, like who is your favorite general? The guy --

GUILFOYLE: I love Jack Keen.

WILLIAMS: Jack Keen. He mentioned Jack Keen and he starts to mention all the people you see on TV. You think, what about those guys fighting the war? What about those guys?


GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Look. I mean, I think that Ben Carson believes in this because he wants to be a part of it and very likely will be. So he knows -- he said it is better by now that I'm gonna do a good job that I'm all in. He said we know it's better to do this than lose the chance of the American dream disappearing, you know, forever. So I mean, that's how he is like reconciles it for himself.

BOLLING: And good to have Ben Carson in the game, still?

PERINO: I think so. Yes. I think that he made a practical, political decision, and I would say he's probably not the strongest surrogate. And I don't know if I would put him on television all the time, suggesting, you know, I mean he is not that good. I mean fair. It's not of a deal. I mean, that kind be might be true, right?


PERINO: I just feel like it will do no harm. It would be --


PERINO: Maybe a benefit.


PERINO: . if Washington did nothing for four years that might be good. But I actually think that -- yes, having Ben Carson, in public life, in some way, in his retirement and a post career after all the amazing work that he did as a neurosurgeon? Yes, that's a benefit.

GUILFOYLE: You had a good ---

And there were more people who would do it.

GUILFOYLE: You had a good position, choice for him --


PERINO: Domestic policy council? I don't know. No, not --


PERINO: We're so brave to talk.

BOLLING: All right.


BOLLING: All right. Directly ahead, Donald Trump is taking a giant step toward securing the republican nomination if he wins Florida and Ohio tonight. Campaign Carl Cameron joins us from the trail with the latest on the GOP front-runner, when "The Five" returns.


PERINO: We are continuing our Super Tuesday coverage. Florida, one of the biggest prizes of the night, and that's where Carl Cameron joins us live. Carl, you get the plum assignments. You're already, always in Florida.

CARL CAMERON, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, there's a benefit of being the old guy.


PERINO: And you're not wearing that special coat that you had on earlier in the season. What if you catch us up on today of how accurate do you think the polls are compared for tonight, compared to what we've seen in the last several weeks?

CAMERON: Well, there were some real problems with some of the early polls, but the polling has been very intense in Florid and Ohio, because they are the first to winner take all states. And they're big states, they're complicated media markets, they're demographically representative of the whole country in a sense that there's all the various different ethnic and minority groups. Big turnout on both republican and democratic side and so highly contested. So I think you'll going to see the polls, probably here, it's really accurate. Very close race with John Kasich with some sort of an advantages like one in Ohio. And here in Florida, the potential, at least, for a rough night for Marco Rubio, and so far as Trump has been leading, virtually every poll for the last month.

PERINO: All right, we're going to kick it around the table -- Eric is first.

BOLLING: Sure. Hey, Carl, there could be -- I think the early voting was up to 1.1 million. Any word on what that was showing -- number one. And number two; there are some rumors circulating this afternoon about some inconsistencies with some of the ballots in Florida, any word on that?

CAMERON: Well, in terms of the early voting, historically, in Florida, about 60 percent of the votes are actually cast earlier absentee.


CAMERON: And a couple days ago, it was up to 1.8 million. So it is particularly high. Donald Trump did tweet today that some of his supporters had been complaining that on a ballot or two, and some parts of Florida, he said their name -- his name had not appeared. State officials were contacted. And they say look, we haven't heard anything official from the campaign, and as far as they know, there isn't a problem. It would not be unusual for there to be voting irregularities in Florida. We are after all here in West Palm Beach, the home of the dangling chads of the 2,000 recounts. So don't hold your breath if your ticket is gonna go perfectly smoothly.

PERINO: Love the chads. Juan, you're next.

WILLIAMS: So Carl, get us inside what happens if Trump wins Florida. That would be the big ticket as we've been saying. You know, it is winner take all.


WILLIAMS: And let's say he wins Florida, but loses Ohio or whatever. In any case, he's gonna come close to having about 50 percent of the delegates so far. Does that mean Carl, this is over?

CAMERON: That's right. No, it doesn't. Even if he does win Florida and let's say for the purpose of discussion he doesn't win Ohio, it would still be necessary in order for Donald Trump to actually win the nomination or clinch it, as we say, prior to the convention itself, for him to win about 60 percent of the winner take all states from now on, and about 45 percent of the proportional states. That is a very, very high bar to clear. Now, having said that, if Donald Trump wins Florida, he gets all 99 delegates, that is a massive, that's.


CAMERON: . that's rocket fuel in his engine. And if John Kasich gets Ohio, even with the 66 winner take all votes that he would have in winning his home state. He'd still be fourth in the delegate count. So it is a difficult scenario. And for Marco Rubio, losing Florida, he has said over and over and over again isn't going to stop his candidacy. That he's going to stay in the race and wait for another couple of candidates to drop out. Who knows who that might be in order to stay and own the assumption that this goes all the way to the convention, and it is contested, and it will be decided on the floor by the delegates to the Republican National Convention as opposed to the voters in the country.

PERINO: OK, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Hi, Carl, nice to see you in a sunny place. It's so --

CAMERON: Hi, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. I just want to talk a little bit about Kasich and his campaign. They seem very optimistic about Ohio. He had, of course, Arnold Schwarzenegger out there, campaigning for him, and then Mitt Romney as well, and a few robo calls (ph) here and there. What's the inside of what you are you hearing in his campaign?

CAMERON: I'm waiting for Kasich to show up at an event with a t-shirt that says love the beatings. Because every time he talks about Schwarzenegger in every single rally, he quotes of having said years ago.


CAMERON: For John Kasich, it is a huge, huge challenge. He can win in Ohio and still find himself having a very difficult time going forward. He has also already said that he plans to go to Pennsylvania tomorrow. Of course, he makes a point in all of his rally to say he was born in McKees Rocks, just outside of Pittsburgh, a hard scrabble, rough, blue collar town. And so he is planning on going there, we assume as a winner. Because he has been saying and acknowledging that you've got to win your home state. So if you were to get blanked tonight, there may be some folks in Pennsylvania waiting for a rally that won't open. His campaign has worked very hard, very aggressively. And in just the last couple of days, really, almost entirely, yesterday and this morning, his staff brought to him a whole list of statements from Donald Trump. Kasich read them over and he has telegraphed his intention to start talking about it tomorrow, which means that John Kasich has called himself the prince of light, he might be throwing some spit balls and get a little bit dark at the rhetoric from Donald Trump tomorrow.

PERINO: Hmm, very nice analogy there. Let's go to the analogy king.

GUTFELD: Carl --

PERINO: Greg Gutfeld?

GUTFELD: We haven't brought up once what happened in the northern Mariana Island this morning. Trump sweep the delegates there, nine delegates. Nobody seems to care, populated almost entirely of turtles. Can you give us some background on how big this victory is?

CAMERON: Don't be (inaudible) in the turtles. This is after all the Florida where they are very eager to protect them in terms of the nesting.

GUTFELD: That's true.

CAMERON: By winning those nine delegates, technically, Donald Trump has now matched the 2012 convention rule that says you have to get eight states and more than half the delegates. There's an awful lot of buzz around this from insiders on the campaign trail. Well, they fail to point out is that the 12 -- the 2012 rules don't matter anymore because there will be meetings of the Republican National Convention. They will change their own rules. And ultimately, whatever rules apply to have a name put in for actual nomination will be decided by the rules committee at the convention, so they can blow up whatever they were doing back in 2012 and rewrite them when we get the Cleveland later this summer.

GUILFOYLE: Interesting.

PERINO: Well, that sounds like fun. How to you get on that?


GUTFELD: That's a good question.

PERINO: You don't want to be on that committee. Yes, surprisingly so.

GUTFELD: I know.

PERINO: Congratulations.

GUTFELD: I know.

PERINO: Carl, thank you so much. Up next, Hillary Clinton's stunning new remarks about the coal industry and Benghazi are raising eyebrows. Greg breaks down the latest Clinton controversy when we return.

GUTFELD: Eyebrow raises.


GUTFELD: For liberals in the media, this is how they see Hillary:


COMEDIAN ILANA GLAZER: Sorry. We are just so excited!



GUTFELD: But in reality, this is how voters see her:


UNIDENTIFIED CLINTON CAMPAIGN STAFFER: I believe that we will win! I believe that we will win! (EXPLETIVE DELETED) I believe that we will win! I believe that we will win! I say, "Hillary." You say, "Fire!"


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

GUTFELD: Trying to energize Hillary supporters is like trying to hold a pep rally at a slaughterhouse.

But I don't blame them. Just listen to her. First on Libya:


CLINTON: Libya was a different kind of calculation. And we didn't lose a single person. We didn't have a, you know, problem in supporting our -- our European and Arab allies in working with NATO.


GUTFELD: So no one died under her watch? This must be news to the families of the Benghazi victims. Did it happen? Did it not?


CLINTON: What difference at this point does it make?


GUTFELD: She described the coming death of coal by her cold hands:


CLINTON: I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key in the coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business. Right, Tim?


GUILFOYLE: What is wrong with her?

GUTFELD: Name's Greg. In her mind, this is good. She's preparing people for a new future. The problem is it depends on a green lie: As the left fights against fossil fuels, fracking and oil exploration, you've got to wonder if they even care about how people live or die.

Here's a question to greenies: Would you want your parents' respirator powered by a windmill? A spasmodic energy source, to put it politely?

Fossil fuels have saved more lives than all progressive programs combined. From 1970 onward, world coal usage has doubled. According to green mouthpieces, this should have led to global horror. Instead, life expectancy and income rose dramatically, especially among the poor. A billion people's lives improved. No thanks to Al Gore or his dancing monkey, Leo.

But maybe we should applaud Hillary's honesty about coal and about Benghazi. It's refreshing to hear what a progressive really thinks, if you could call it that.

Kimberly, she had a bunch of slip-ups today. Which one's worse?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. The Benghazi one really bothers me. She just -- you know, it's just so obvious and so flagrant, the lies and the deception. The fact that they pushed the video when they knew that this wasn't the truth and sacrificed somebody else to make themselves look politically clean. That's horrible. It just depends on what your interpretation is of when she was saying this, the context.

And then also what she said about coal, but I think congratulations, Hillary. You spoke the truth.

GUTFELD: That's true.

GUILFOYLE: That's what she wants to do.

GUTFELD: Dana, I mean, at least she said it.

GUILFOYLE: Cost American jobs.

GUTFELD: They want to...

PERINO: I suppose on Libya what she was meaning was in the initial attacks in order to get out -- get Gadhafi out. I'm assuming that's what she's meaning by...

GUILFOYLE: Then how do you forget?

PERINO: Come on. This has been...


PERINO: You know, it's been almost...

GUTFELD: We've reminded her a lot.

PERINO: You should know by now.


PERINO: OK. The coal country thing, I think is absolutely fascinating. We've talked about it here on this show. And in fact, FOX Business has been putting a lot of focus on this, Adam Shapiro in particular, looking at coal country and just the absolute devastation up and down.

And it's not just -- when she says she's going to put coal miners out of business, that's not just the mine that goes away that. That means that the pizza parlor leaves, and the bowling alley, and the local market, and your favorite -- your family restaurant. All of those things are devastated. Her answer to that was a $30 billion-over-ten-year aid package in terms of handouts to those communities, which they would much rather have a job.

GUTFELD: Yes. That's the thing, Eric. The progressive left never has a replacement for the things they wish to destroy.

BOLLING: Yes, it's amazing. And Dana's right. This aid package, it's a one-time aid package. And these people are lower middle class, hard- working people.

GUILFOYLE: They've got to work.

BOLLING: They need to feed their families. They're going to take it. They hear President Obama saying, "We will necessarily bankrupt your coal company if you want to -- if you want to start an electricity plant fired by coal."

And then she takes the ball and runs with it, saying, "We're going to put everyone out of business." So of course they're going to take whatever handout they get.


BOLLING: They'll take it; they'll blow through it. And then they'll be out of work. Unbelievably horrific idea that she has here.

Remember the "Shallow Hal"? Did you ever see "Shallow Hal"?

GUTFELD: Of course.


BOLLING: "Shallow Hal." He was real shallow. He saw people for just the way they looked, so all the girls were -- the pretty girls were pretty and the ones that weren't, weren't. And then he hits his head and all the people with substance were beautiful?

The Democrats have the "Shallow Hal" inverse. In other words, they see -- they see Hillary and they're hearing what she's saying. If they hit their heads and find out what she's really like, it's (AUDIO GAP) coal people, and she wants -- and she forgets about four dead Americans. That -- no one should vote for her for those two reasons.



WILLIAMS: I'm like -- you know those girls in the start of this segment...


WILLIAMS: ... with the stars in their eyes?


WILLIAMS: That's me.

I'll tell you what, tell you what. When I hear about this...

GUILFOYLE: What's wrong with you?

WILLIAMS: ... Libya situation, I say to myself, "Clearly, she's talking about the military operation that Dana referenced to get Gadhafi out. She's not talking about..."

GUTFELD: Juan, but the point is, if you broaden out that whole thing, four people did die as a result.

WILLIAMS: But she's talking about a military operation. And even President Obama, in what Dana has described to me as an ill-fated interview in the Atlantic Monthly, has said, listen, he was disappointed in the European allies, because Libya is now a failed state.


WILLIAMS: And so the question was, are you, Mrs. Clinton, disappointed in what has come of this effort? And that was her response.

And in terms of the coal thing, anybody who has to breathe air in London, in Beijing, in New York knows, hey, coal is not the best thing. OK?

PERINO: Whoa, whoa, whoa.

WILLIAMS: And what she said...

GUTFELD: It saves live (ph).

WILLIAMS: ... and what she said was very clearly, we are not going to forget the people who have labored in these mines for generations. So it's fair...

GUTFELD: Don't forget about the billions of people that have come out of poverty.

WILLIAMS: Well, OK, but if I was in your seat, Gregory...


WILLIAMS: ... I would mock her, too.

BOLLING: Do you know who the single largest producer of coal is on the planet?

WILLIAMS: I don't know.



BOLLING: So work on China. If you want to turn...

WILLIAMS: So that means we don't have any responsibility?

PERINO: We already have taken responsibility.

BOLLING: Let China start cutting back on their coal use.

PERINO: Besides that, you know, all the great electric...


WILLIAMS: ... a backer of the environmental, the climate change deal that Obama sent.

PERINO: You know all those great electric cars that you love?

BOLLING: Electric cars?

PERINO: Electric cars, how do you think they're powered? When they plug into the grid. They're powered by coal.

BOLLING: Sixty percent.

PERINO: All these great, wonderful things and the cheap energy that we have to use all our phones any time we want? It comes from the people who work their butts off for coal.

WILLIAMS: And you don't think there's an opportunity...

PERINO: I think that we already have. I think that...

WILLIAMS: ... here for renewable energy?

PERINO: Absolutely. But the unicorn dream of renewable energy...

GUTFELD: It's been up -- going on for decades, five decades.

PERINO: ... fueling our -- is not going to happen.

GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: Terrible cold solar showers. The worst. Horrible. The worst.

GUTFELD: Always about controlled water.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, yes.

GUTFELD: So Kimberly, it's controlled water.


GUTFELD: All right. When we return, shake-up in the Democratic race? Could be. New details on why Bernie Sanders might be considering an independent run.


GUILFOYLE: Bernie Sanders is hoping to upset Hillary Clinton in key primaries again tonight. But before the latest Super Tuesday showdown, new reports raised questions about Sanders considering a run as an independent.

Last night Sanders reveal the real reason he's campaigning on the Democratic ticket.


SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am the longest serving independent in the history of the United States Congress. We did have to make that decision. Do you run as an independent? Do you run within the Democratic Party? We concluded -- and I think it was absolutely the right decision -- that "A," in terms of media coverage, you have to run within the Democratic Party.

No. 2, to run as an independent, you need -- you could be a billionaire. If you're a billionaire, you can do that. I'm not a billionaire.

So the structure of American politics today is such that I thought the right effort was to run within the Democratic Party.


GUILFOYLE: OK, Bernie. Let's see if we can test you, especially given your amazing job credentials in the past. You know what I'm talking about. Right, Greg?

GUTFELD: Do you want me to remind people that he used to write pornography for a living?


GUTFELD: He used to wrote pornography for a living.

GUILFOYLE: And bad things about women.

GUTFELD: I would not suggest any of our viewers to look it up, because it is disturbing.

But you bring up a good point about rhetoric. You know, people are casing on Trump for things that he says, but at least what he says is not camouflage. He says what he feel.

Far more dangerous from Sanders, I believe, is the rhetoric he uses about economic inequality, in which he masks his efforts as compassionate, as a solution, when it is really punitive. Gaps in wealth are caused by individual efforts. It's not caused by a system. So if you attack the system, you will not solve the problem. But he, in fact, is creating another attack -- the industrious; attack the successful. But he wraps it up into this kind of, like, economic inequality balloon that makes no sense.

GUILFOYLE: All right, good. You did pretty well.

GUTFELD: Thank you.


GUTFELD: Can I go home?


PERINO: Talked to a couple Democrats today that are familiar with the Clinton campaign. They said that they thought this was a breathtaking admission. Because if you go back to the DNC making its decision about who's running and who's not, maybe they had no choice, they felt they had no choice but to include Bernie Sanders.

But remember, this answer from him comes not from a question from a reporter but from a kid at a town hall.

It could be that she will win Florida and North Carolina; she could lose Ohio, and a coin flip for the rest. And she's -- now she's got a race on our hands.

GUILFOYLE: We shall see. E.B.

BOLLING: So can I just clarify, I did not get bleeped in the last segment. It was an audio issue.

GUILFOYLE: It was Dana.

GUTFELD: It was a stomach issue.



BOLLING: So now Sanders admits that he's running as Democrat, because he didn't have the money to run as an independent, which would have to -- then he would be clearly the socialist running. So now instead, he says, "I'm a democrat socialist," so you hide under the radar, or behind the flag of the Democrats.

I mean, when are people going to realize the is just a socialist, and it's a nice way of saying he's a communist who got elected?

WILLIAMS: You know, I wasn't going to say this, but I was listening...

GUILFOYLE: He gets upset when he gets called a communist.

WILLIAMS: ... to you, and I thought to myself, "Wait a minute. Donald Trump. Most Republicans don't think he's a Republican, but he's running under the Republican banner, because it's convenient to him, I think at the moment." And I think the same is true of Sanders, by the way. Sanders is doing this.

And so far, I think it's like 40 percent of his support has come from independents. If you just look in Democratic primaries and caucuses right now, Hillary Clinton would have won, I think, every one of them. I think when he won in Oklahoma and some of these other states, it's all -- the difference was independent voters.

And look at his fundraising, tremendous. It's not coming from people who are self-identifying as Democrats. It's coming from independents.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, listen, I think everybody's being a little opportunistic, including Mr. Sanders. But we'll see what happens to him, comeuppance (ph) of sorts.

Up next, our final thoughts and predictions -- that went by fast, didn't it?


GUILFOYLE: ... for Super Tuesday. Don't go away.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, a slow jam again.

WILLIAMS: A special programming note. Keep it locked on FOX News Channel all night long for the latest Super Tuesday results. And later -- this is something -- join us for a special live midnight edition of "The Five," our post-election analysis.

PERINO: It's something, all right.


GUILFOYLE: It's something. Something at this table.

WILLIAMS: And yes, Greg Gutfeld is a treat.


WILLIAMS: Now our final thoughts and predictions for tonight's races. I begin with the one and only Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Well, Greg will be napping, right?

GUTFELD: At the foot of your bed.

GUILFOYLE: No. He didn't win the lottery. Let me tell you.


GUILFOYLE: Yes, OK. No delegates for you.

I'll be watching all this coverage. I'm actually quite anxious to see the billboard. We should have had it here today, right, Mr. Hemmer? To see what some of the results are coming in. Wall-to-wall coverage. Then we go on to display it at midnight.

I think it's going to be a very big night with a lot of analysis going through the night late and also tomorrow morning because of Florida and Ohio.

WILLIAMS: Well, if it's my turn, I would say that I look for, possibly, on the Democratic side, Sanders could have a real good night in places like Illinois and Missouri. But I don't see him coming through in Florida. No way close. And that's the big ticket.

GUILFOYLE: No upset?

WILLIAMS: No. Maybe, but I don't see it.

BOLLING: So Trump is at 469, or 470 delegates; 355 or so up for -- up for grabs tonight. I'll do the numbers. I'm going to do a white board later on. But I think he probably walks away with 250 of them, which puts him at 700 and change. He needs 500 left out of, I think, 1,056.

WILLIAMS: Do you think that he'll sweep, though?

BOLLING: No, no. I think he could possibly -- North Carolina is proportional, and I think he may lose Ohio. But look, the Northern -- the Southern part of Michigan is falling heavily for Trump, which is a lot of Ohio; it's the Toledo area. So Trump could actually take Ohio, too.

WILLIAMS: All right. Dana.

BOLLING: Fifty-five, minimum.

PERINO: Well, my dream come true, career-wise, after being White House press secretary, was getting to do special election coverage. I love it. It's fun the entire night. I don't care how long I have to sit there and we're not on. I...

GUILFOYLE: It's exciting.

PERINO: ... like it so much. One of the things I love the most is when Martha MacCallum does the exit polls. And I've learned how to read them a little bit faster this year. And I think the most interesting pieces are for late deciders, and that includes in the Democratic race, because you could see some surprises, I think, for Bernie after his Michigan win.

I also want to see if it holds true that Hillary's trustworthiness is down in the tank with Democrats, with only about 20 percent thinking she's trustworthy. On that -- on that score, they vote for Bernie.

And then Republicans. Immigration has been the fourth most important issue to Republicans in all the states so far. But the thing that flipped last week when we did this, was when asked the question, "If your most important issue is electability, who is most likely to win in November?" Trump, for the first time, won that last week. If that holds true this time around, I think you might see a little bit of a shift.

WILLIAMS: Gregory, any surprises you expect tonight? Republican or Democrat?

GUTFELD: I don't know. I think that people should not just consider the candidates. They should consider the stakes. Because right now, whoever goes into that Oval Office is going to be faced with a pile of problems. You have basically four countries dealing with ISIS. You have a massive refugee crisis. You've got Russia is back in a Cold War. You have North Korea threatening our annihilation. So I guess what I'm -- the level of discourse has not matched the level of consequence.

WILLIAMS: All right. "One More Thing" up next.


GUTFELD: Thanks, Juan.

WILLIAMS: They told me to get out.


BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing." Dana's first.

PERINO: OK. We have this today.


PERINO: Dana's Corny Joke of the Day.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: This is what America needs right now. All right. Are you ready? What is the best thing about elevator jokes?

GUTFELD: They push all your buttons?

PERINO: They work on so many levels.


PERINO: OK. Why do biblical...

WILLIAMS: By the way, that was a good answer.

PERINO: Yes, it was pretty good. OK. Why do biblical history teachers become annoying?

GUTFELD: Because they keep throwing The Book at you.

PERINO: They tend to Babylon.


PERINO: Right. And the last one. I'm expecting Eric to get this right. Why does everyone want to invite ghosts to a party?

BOLLING: You can see right through them.

PERINO: Because they bring all the boos.



GUILFOYLE: ... in the face (ph).



WILLIAMS: So my son, my loving son, Raphael, played a version of musical chairs on the basketball court at the Washington Wizards last night. Eight envelopes on the floor. Prizes for next season, including a suite. And my son happened to stop on the best envelope. He won an away game trip for two. Here's what he had to say.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Raffi, congratulations, are you excited about this away game next year?

RAPHAEL WILLIAMS, SON OF JUAN WILLIAMS: I can't wait for it. Excited.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where are your seats?

WILLIAMS: Right there, 111.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nice, nice. Thank you for playing with us.


PERINO: His moment when he's discovered.

WILLIAMS: Yes, I think he's been discovered.

GUTFELD: What time are you picking me up?

WILLIAMS: I don't know. Maybe from the bottom of Kimberly's bed.


GUTFELD: Let's move on. All right. Time for...


GUTFELD: Greg's Movie News.


GUTFELD: Well, this is exciting news for -- they're remaking the classic film, "The Red Balloon." We all saw "The Red Balloon" growing up. The little kid chasing the balloon through Parisian streets?

Now they're remaking it with all of the Baldwin brothers. Let's role the tape. Check it out.




GUTFELD: There's -- you've Alec Baldwin. There's Stephen Baldwin and Daniel Baldwin.

BOLLING: Billy. Don't forget Billy.

GUTFELD: Don't forget Billy.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God, Billy. "Backdraft."

GUTFELD: There they are. They're chasing the red balloon. It's apparently a very low-budget film.

GUILFOYLE: About firemen.

GUTFELD: But I think it's up for a Cannes nomination. And...


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. I just love firemen so much, and I loved that movie "Backdraft."

OK. It is time for...


GRAPHIC: Kimberly's Dating Tips


GUILFOYLE: Billy Baldwin.

GUTFELD: Oh, no.

GUILFOYLE: Billy Baldwin was in "Backdraft."

GUTFELD: You've got 30 seconds.

GUILFOYLE: OK, fine. Really? OK, no, no, no. This is -- this is really important. You'll like it; it has numbers in it. The real cost of true love. Do you know what it is?

Well, the average person spends five years and a whopping $20,200 dating before deciding to settle down and get married.

BOLLING: That's not the right number. Do you know what the right number is in.


BOLLING: Priceless.

GUILFOYLE: Priceless! He makes the good choices.

WILLIAMS: The lover, the lover.

BOLLING: We've got to go. We're back at midnight. "Special Report" right now.

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