Who's to blame for chaos at Donald Trump rallies?

Candidates, pundits point fingers


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 14, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Brian Kilmeade. It is 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."




GUILFOYLE: A wild weekend on the campaign trail as Donald Trump's rallies turn into chaos. Fire's breaking out a several venues including in Chicago, where he was force to cancel an event due to security concerns. The GOP front-runner is dismissing critics who say he is to blame for the clashes.


DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have, by far, the biggest crowds, 25, 30,000 people. Last week we had in Alabama, 35,000 people. And out of that, we have some we'll have disrupters, sometimes put there by other people. And nobody's been hurt at all. And it's as big as these rallies are, nobody's ever been hurt. And I will tell you, some of the protesters are very rough and they're bad dudes, and they swing and they punch, and nobody ever talks about that in the media. We have a big portion of this country that's fed up. We have a president that doesn't have a clue. He doesn't know what's going on. And the people of this country are angry. They're not angry people, but they're angry now.


GUILFOYLE: Well, Trump's republican rival (inaudible), his explanations for the violent protesters. His fellow contenders accused him of fanning the flames.


SEN. MARCO RUBIO, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump, on a regular basis insights his crowds. There are people out there that listen to the stuff. We don't know how they're going to react, and he keeps putting this stuff out here. We're going to have an ugly scene here. We already have seen these ugly scenes.

SEN. TED CRUZ, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's not beneficial when you have a presidential candidate like Donald Trump, telling his supporters "punch that guy in the face." I think everyone candidate ought to aspire toward civility, towards decency, towards bringing us together. I don't think we should be using angry and hateful rhetoric.

GOV. JOHN KASICH, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He's done a lot of name calling, and he created a very toxic atmosphere where he's -- you know, look, I mean just we want to start with immigration, do you want to start with these things that he has said -- you know, about Muslims. I mean, where it ends?


GUILFOYLE: OK. So obviously a lot of discussion about this as news broke out, you know, Friday night with respect to the Chicago rally, and that being shut down, and the protesters, and some call them disrupters that were there to shut down that free speech, Eric. So what are your thoughts as this is developed over the weekend?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Well, I mean, protesters protected speech, but they're not allowed to do what they did on Friday night. They shouldn't go into or they can't go into an arena that was paid for, rented by a group and then shut down free speech. That's impinging on his, Donald Trump and their -- and the pro-Trump people's rights to free speech. So they've gone from protests to -- I don't know, of non -violence protests, they changed the rules. They went inside. And that would be -- I would say they would be inciting the violence by going inside and doing what they did, shutting down the free speech. It's disrupting the peace, and I think that's a crime. If I'm not mistaken, that's a crime. But blaming Donald Trump for violence that occurs at or outside of one of his speeches is like blaming, you know, the old blame the girl if she's wearing too short of a dress for the rape. But how is it her fault if she's doing something that take that does something to someone else. How is it Donald Trump's fault if there's a protest and two people get into it outside a protest? I think it's the same thing.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: How is it a protester's fault that they get clocked in the face by a sucker punch --

BOLLING: I think that is completely wrong, Juan.

WILLIAMS: OK, well it's not. That doesn't the protest; that was a Donald Trump guy. And then Donald Trump says I want to pay --

BOLLING: Hold up, Juan.

WILLIAMS: I want to pay for this guy's legal bills.

BOLLING: Juan, Kimberly mentioned Chicago, Friday night. Do you want to stay in Chicago, Friday night?

WILLIAMS: No, no. We're talking that early.

BOLLING: Do you think that was right?

WILLIAMS: No. Listen, I think that what -- there's nothing on the ticket that says you cannot have a different point of view than Donald Trump if you come into this venue.

BOLLING: No, but there was -- did raised money on it. And they also, allegedly, handed out, you know, a list of what to look for, how to act inside the protest, to disrupt. I mean, protesters, one thing but --

GUILFOYLE: And there's more of that in your block, Eric -- coming up.

BOLLING: Disrupting is -- it's a -- I think it's a crime.

GUILFOYLE: Well, if it's, you know, disturbing the peace or if there's assault of conduct or a battery or other things like that that happens. Of course it becomes -- it jumps into the legal venue, in terms of whether or not someone should be prosecuted, et cetera. Dana, let's get your take on this.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, so I was at a restaurant on Friday night, waiting for a table and I was watching the scene unfold and -- on the television that was there. And these young -- three younger people were sitting at the -- not with me, but they're next to me, and I could overt hear their conversation. And it was interesting to get their take because they agreed that the protesters should not have gone in like that, but they also said that they expect to see a lot more of it. I hope that's not true. I think this is unnecessary, it's unfortunate, it's unworthy of our democracy, and it's extremely unattractive, because on both sides, it does not draw me in at all. James Taranto, the Wall Street Journal had a good point today where he said, "maybe, so Trump didn't start the fire at this particular Chicago protest, but fanning the flames is a problem." On Sunday, when he said, "we've never had anybody hurt." This is coming off of -- right after what Juan was talking about, where the young African- American man who's there as a protester in North Carolina, I believe? Flips the bird to the crowd as he's leaving, and then he gets sucker punched. And then on Sunday, Donald Trump says that he's considering, looking into, paying for that man's legal bills. That to me is fanning the flames; absolutely inappropriate.

BRIAN KILMEADE, GUEST CO-HOST: Especially when he said, "afterwards, I'm gonna kill them next time."

WILLIAMS: That's true.

KILMEADE: So I will say is this, my weekend, Friday night. You know, I love to go clubbing on Friday night. I just want to forget about.


KILMEADE: . politics for a second. What could happen on a Friday night? Next thing you know you.

GUILFOYLE: You get callback into work.

KILMEADE: . there's huge, huge, no commercial -- (inaudible).

GUILFOYLE: That was --

KILMEADE: Next thing you know, there's this huge thing happening. It turned out it was the riot that never happened. Excuse me, the rally that never happened. I will say this, I don't care if you vote for Donald Trump or not. If they have a problem within his friendship with other fans fighting each other because of what they said to Donald Trump. You know what, you have to change your rhetoric, change the teleprompter, as if you had one. But these are guys coming into an area to disrupt. And on my analogy, and I hope it works, is this. If I walk in -- if I'm a New York Yankee fan and I walk into a Boston Red Sox bar with the Yankee. And I'm screaming for the Yankees, I'm pointing in this guy's face. I'm going to get my head kicked in. Is it right, no? But in reality, I'm there where I don't belong, getting in the guy's face who just wants to watch a game.

GUILFOYLE: You're agitated.

KILMEADE: . on their own team. I am agitating. So what do you expect? Why do they go, Juan? They went there to cause havoc. They've been -- and they reached their goal.

WILLIAMS: No. I think that's quite express, Brian, that they said they went there to protest Donald Trump. They feel that what Donald Trump is saying, what he's doing, appealed --

KILMEADE: And how do they think they're going to received, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Brian, let me finish my point --

BOLLING: Well, how is doing to achieve, though?


KILMEADE: If you came out yelling at an event for --


KILMEADE: For Eric Bolling, and you are supporting Eric Bolling.

WILLIAMS: Brian, well, I sit next to Eric every day. Eric and I often have this -- I do not expect Eric to physically attack me or tell me to shut up. I know we, and I -- he and I have disagreements, but we're friends. We talk all the time. OK, it's not that -- that does not mean there has to -- that I should be saying to people, oh, you know, every time I'm mad at Eric, expect me to physically express it, that's wrong.


WILLIAMS: And that's what --


KILMEADE: But then you wouldn't do that.

WILLIAMS: But that's what --


WILLIAMS: That's what Trump -- Trump is saying in the old days, we would get that guy out of here. These days we're so pc that we take care not to hurt these guys. And in the old days, we just punched this guy out. That's what he said. I'm not making this up.

KILMEADE: No, no, you're right. And then, then you could judge whether you want to vote for Donald Trump, because how he handle the situations. Good for him, but don't vote for him. But when you come in there just to agitate, you saw these guys between 21 and 25-years-old. Are they there to meet people and to learn what the other side has to say? Or they are there just to create havoc. I think they're --

BOLLING: You don't have to protest, we have to peacefully protest.


BOLLING: They don't have peaceful protest.

WILLIAMS: They were.

BOLLING: These are just disrupted. They are paid. In some cases they were paid to protest.

WILLIAMS: You know I think there are --

BOLLING: That's not peaceful protest.

WILLIAMS: No. I think you're putting a gloss on this. The guy that was being led out, he was the peaceful protester in North Carolina.

BOLLING: Yeah, Juan. Can you talk about the Chicago that's been --

WILLIAMS: OK, let's got to Chicago.

BOLLING: Can we talk about.


BOLLING: What happened all weekend --

WILLIAMS: Eric, it's fine. Eric, I'm just saying, here's the entire universe don't nominate --

BOLLING: Who, the guy who jumped over the barricade.

WILLIAMS: It's fine.

BOLLING: . and it's probably attack the stage.

WILLIAMS: The guy --

BOLLING: . in Ohio?

WILLIAMS: He said he wonder -- run up on the stage. He is totally wrong. But you're -- if you're asking me, does that then justify people becoming violent? No.

BOLLING: No one said that. Did anyone say I didn't (inaudible), neither?



BOLLING: No one said --

GUILFOYLE: But the point is you know, -- right. The point is, you can't gloss over it to say -- there are issues on both sides of it. But nevertheless, you want to have some civility. You want the people to be able to listen to their candidate whether it's at Bernie Sanders or you're Hillary Clinton, et cetera. And if the role was reversed, then you know what, there would be an outcry about it. And the point is there's a way to do things in a peaceful civil way that respects other people's viewpoint, and allows them to go to listen, to make informed decisions.

WILLIAMS: And so these people --

BOLLING: And what --

WILLIAMS: These people -- these young people in Chicago. Eric, keep saying -- let's talk about Chicago. This is a Facebook thing where young people say we oppose --

GUILFOYLE: Right, with what we get into.

WILLIAMS: We oppose the message being delivered by Donald Trump.


WILLIAMS: We find it divisive. We find out ugly. We find it anti-immigrant, anti --

BOLLING: Juan, Westboro --

WILLIAMS: Anti-black.

BOLLING: Westboro Baptist Church protests military funerals, right?

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah.

BOLLING: They protest. They're despicable, they're disgusting, but they do it, and they're protected free speech. There's an area where they have to stay.


BOLLING: They don't jump into the middle of the funeral home, do they?


BOLLING: Well, there's the difference, Juan. That's the unseen.

WILLIAMS: That's legal.

BOLLING: Yes, there's -- and so was -- they would go in Chicago.

WILLIAMS: No, no, it's something illegal by going into --


WILLIAMS: To buying a ticket and going into the arena?

BOLLING: No, no, no. Disrupting, going in and buy the ticket.


BOLLING: . to go into disrupt for the purpose of disrupting.


BOLLING: Yes it is.

WILLIAMS: So buying the ticket to protests, Eric, to stand up and say or shout? I think that what you're saying Mr. Trump is wrong and divide our country.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but you don't have to shut down an event or you know, create a security --

WILLIAMS: He cancelled it --

GUILFOYLE: I know. But you know what, I just I think it's very naive of you and not very honest to sit there and just blame him and not to see what the people are doing too, that are also being violent and not being good at these events. It's not OK. I think there's room to analyze on both sides of this that it could be improve. And let me tell you something, whether or not he's the nominee or not, wait and see that there still are going to be protesters, regardless who the GOP nominee has.

WILLIAMS: I think it's very honest to say.

GUILFOYLE: Wait and see.

WILLIAMS: . that when you hear someone delivering a divisive message, that's endangering our country that you stay up and say, you know, as an American, I do not think what you're saying is good and right. And if you do in a peaceful manner, you have every right.

GUILFOYLE: And they --

WILLIAMS: To handle it.

GUILFOYLE: And they didn't do that.

BOLLING: And that's the problem.

WILLIAMS: They did.


WILLIAMS: They were --

GUILFOYLE: All right. And you're --

WILLIAMS: They did it.

GUILFOYLE: We're watching from the video.

BOLLING: That was peaceful?

GUILFOYLE: OK, let's talk about Ben Carson.

WILLIAMS: That they wasn't peaceful because of the response from the other side.

KILMEADE: And never. It never came off.


KILMEADE: The event never went off on Friday. And Saturday, the guy --

WILLIAMS: That was because --

KILMEADE: . rushed the podium.


KILMEADE: So it was.

GUILFOYLE: And somebody else grabbed him from behind -- whatever. The point is, it's not mine -- it's not good. They shouldn't do it to Hillary Clinton. They shouldn't do it to Bernie Sanders. They shouldn't do it to anybody running.

WILLIAMS: You noticed they're not. They're doing it to --


KILMEADE: You know they did it to Bernie Sanders. They did elect two months ago.

GUILFOYLE: Well, let this about Ben Carson, OK? That would put you in good mood. You want it, Juan? Could the violence actually get worse, right? So Ben Carson who endorsed Donald Trump last week, believes that it could.


BEN CARSON, NEUROSURGEON: I think, certainly, if the protesters continue with their (inaudible) tactics, there is a real possibility of escalation, because those who are the victims of them have two choices. They can submit to them and meekly just do whatever those protesters want them to do, or they can fight back. And if they decide to fight back, there could be an escalation.


GUILFOYLE: All right Dana, what about the possibility of escalation here?

PERINO: Well, I certainly hope not, and I would hope that the leaders who are being asked about this agree and would advice and ask their people not to retaliate in kind. The other thing is, we haven't mentioned, and I'm not blaming the security forces, but that there was a problem in Chicago, in particular, of the protesters that meant for disruption, getting around the gate. That -- so, now if we know that they're going to be up to this, then you have to figure out a way.


PERINO: It might be a lot more expensive, but there's got to be more security for people on both sides.

GUILFOYLE: Very good point -- Brian.

KILMEADE: He dominated the media afterwards. He was on for our show for a half hour. Went to another network for a half hour, went back to Sean Hannity at 10 o'clock. So he dominated Saturday. And guess what every candidate talked about Donald Trump. And guess what happened Sunday? On all the network shows, it was all about Donald Trump.


KILMEADE: The reaction, where do we go from here. I'm very curious how it affects Tuesday.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. And Friday he was on with Greta, with Hannity, you know was it -- but I mean, come on and talk about it. And then hopefully, there's something to learn.

KILMEADE: He wasn't that.

GUILFOYLE: . and move forward.

BOLLING: Can I just point out something? Something is wrong.


BOLLING: Juan, can you attest to this. He went to the University of Illinois, Chicago, probably one of the most liberal bastions in this country, if not being the most liberal. Bill Ayers is in the area. I mean, he went into an area of --

GUILFOYLE: He's an American professor.


GUILFOYLE: that's right.

BOLLING: Who is? Oh, Bill Ayers.


BOLLING: Yeah. No, no, my point is, he went into -- he went into the.


BOLLING: .unfriendliness of confines, he's the only one doing that. He's the only one going in areas where he -- something -- he's going to be the complete outsider. He's going to be verbally attacked.

WILLIAMS: He was, he was simply renting the arena, and it was there.

BOLLING: He could it there. Here's why. Here's why --

WILLIAMS: No, Let me just say.

BOLLING: The next day he was in Bloomington, Illinois, about 50 miles south of Chicago.


BOLLING: Not that could --

WILLIAMS: Well, I -- I don't -- I'm just saying, these young people at that school organized, it's not to be blame on Bernie Sanders or These young people who felt, you know what is this? It's a divisive ugly message and we want to speak against it. And the final point I'd make is this. I'm sort of surprised at all of you, because when I listen to the other republicans who are running for president, when I listen to Rubio, when I listen to Cruz, when I listen to Kasich, they are saying something's wrong here. The atmosphere is poisonous, and in fact, they say it's cancerous. At some point, it's a circus.

GUILFOYLE: I know. But you know what? What else do you expect them to say? They want to be the nominee and they're --

WILLIAMS: Oh, you think they're not speaking the truth?

GUILFOYLE: I think they're -- I think they're going to make comments that are going to be derisive against Donald Trump, for sure. That's how politics.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I think we are.

GUILFOYLE: They're just going to -- they're not going to say.

WILLIAMS: I think --

GUILFOYLE: So great, we're going to support and he has no --

WILLIAMS: I think we are high minded people who are concerned about our country.

GUILFOYLE: I'm just telling you. Let's get real.

PERINO: And they're not just speaking for themselves.

GUILFOYLE: Coming up, the last attack Trump, blaming him for violence at his rallies. The new details reveal democratic groups may actually be behind the protesters. More, when we return.


BOLLING: Donald Trump under fire from democratic rivals, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, claiming he's the instigator of the violence at his rallies. Hillary and Bernie slammed the GOP front-runner at a town hall last night.


HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He actually incites violence in the way that he urges his audience on, you know, talking about punching people, offering to pay legal bills. Donald Trump is responsible for what happens at his events.

BERNIE SANDERS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump is a pathological liar. We have never -- our campaign does not believe and never will encourage anybody to disrupt anything. I would hope that Mr. Trump tones it down big time.


BOLLING: And other democrats, including Carl Bernstein, Donna Brazile and Rachel Maddow blast Trump for allegedly stirring the unrest.


CARL BERNSTEIN, VETERAN JOURNALIST: The word "neo" meaning "new", has a lot to do with it, a new kind of fascist in our culture, dealing with an authoritarian demagogic point of view, nativist, anti-immigrant, racism, bigotry that he appeals to.

DONNA BRAZILE, VICE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE: I denounced Donald Trump for not denouncing the kind of vitriol, the kind of violence that he has perpetrated with his angry rhetoric. And he knows exactly what he's doing. This is not the Donald Trump who denounced David Duke in 1991. This is a guy who's now soaking up this hate and his spilling it back out.

RACHEL MADDOW, "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" HOST: But trying to gin up political violence for its electoral utility is -- I think inarguably what we're seeing here. And I know that the Trump campaign will not say that is what they're doing.


BOLLING: The left is quick to blame Trump, but who are the protesters disrupting the events? Domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers was among the demonstrators in line outside the University of Illinois, Chicago pavilion on Friday. George Soros of fundraise off to destruction, post Chicago. So I'll bring it to you, Juan. If the bad guys are the ones behind the protest, why are we giving them so much air time and credibility?

WILLIAMS: First thing, you just said they raised money, post Chicago. You didn't say they organized Chicago.

BOLLING: You know what?

WILLIAMS: Nobody said they organized.

BOLLING: No, no. I did say that in the A-block.

WILLIAMS: OK, they did not organize.

BOLLING: They just didn't organize.

WILLIAMS: They did not organize.


WILLIAMS: Did not organize. They -- this were people -- everybody's reported this who have -- who got together online and thru connection.

BOLLING: So, after the event says hey, look. We shot Trump.


BOLLING: . being down, and send us three bucks.

WILLIAMS: I think so. People still call it --


GUILFOYLE: Call guys (ph).

WILLIAMS: This is getting all kinds of fund-raise.

GUILFOYLE: This is getting silly. It's getting ridiculous.

WILLIAMS: That's the reality is --

GUILFOYLE: It's not even an issue in dispute.

WILLIAMS: Hang on a second.

GUILFOYLE: I don't understand.

WILLIAMS: I mean the reality is here, you have something larger that I think the democrats are right to pick up on.

BOLLING: Wasn't promoting this prior to the protest?


BOLLING: Are you sure?

WILLIAMS: That's what I'm saying, positive, that what you are seeing is --


WILLIAMS: You're saying they capitalize going afterwards.

GUILFOYLE: They were. And Facebook post.

KILMEADE: From, yes.

BOLLING: And the Facebook photos. Yeah.


BOLLING: Go ahead, KG.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean, I will deny. I must say the same thing over and over again, because it seems, maybe it will seep in eventually. I mean this is just, you know, like just be honest about it, to say exactly what went on here. Obviously, there are political operatives that are playing a role. It doesn't mean it shouldn't be denounced. All candidates should say, we want to have -- be able to have nonviolent, peaceful speaking events. Do not hurt people, do not hit, like just that's that. Do not break the law, no one is encouraging violence. That's what should be stated very clearly. Denounce any violence that occurs. But at the same time, be honest to say exactly also, what is behind this. They are trying to elicit and produce a specific response to try to discredit and to paint him in a particular light. That is -- that's what's happening.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, that's (inaudible) message. I mean, the pope says, you know, for the way he talks, not Christian. Mitt Romney, other republicans, bullying.


WILLIAMS: They agitated.

BOLLING: This something to be the first time in history that Mitt Romney, other republicans are on the same side as bill --


KILMEADE: And the pope. By the way, who's a wonderful --

GUILFOYLE: Well the pope will condone --

KILMEADE: Let's be honest.

GUILFOYLE: Condone violence. Let's put it that way.

KILMEADE: Here's the thing. I worry that the worst is yet to come. So when I watch all weekend, when I see the guy come running up in Dayton and try to tackle, and see how he treats himself as a hero and listen to him talk like he's bigger than everybody and smarter than everybody. I worry the worst is yet to come. And I also think that your judgment should be on how Donald Trump handles it after, whether you love it or not. But you cannot say he's responsible for the unruliness or what happened in the audience, because what he's seeing -- for example, he said, do you know that these -- he goes, I get word from the security, that guys are in there with tomatoes. Those tomatoes, you might think it's not a big deal, but it's like getting hit with a baseball. So guy close up, so you got there, in front -- on the podium, you know at any moment -- so you're going to get hit with something, because these guys got through security. So he's trying because they got --

GUILFOYLE: And they couldn't find them.

KILMEADE: Yeah, they couldn't find them. So when they do catch up to people, you don't see them throwing thing, you know, throwing punches at security. Now maybe Governor Kasich says, "don't hit back. Guys, calm down." Well Donald Trump is different. Donald Trump is like, oh, I want to hit you back. So you might -- so common with what Donald Trump says, but you cannot have him blamed for what happens in the audience.

WILLIAMS: That's what Rubio said, words have consequences.

BOLLING: We're not, we're not --

WILLIAMS: And not only that, you stop and think about what he said about Mexicans, what he said about women, what he said about blacks. I could go on and on. You know, the -- when you say these things publicly, and then it create an atmosphere that's basically, you're a sports guy. WWE, I'm coming here, I'm going to rip your head off, blah, blah. Guess what? There are a lot of people who then feel, you know what?

GUILFOYLE: But don't they have a person's responsibility?

WILLIAMS: Donald Trump has authorized me to go after.


WILLIAMS: . these critics.

GUILFOYLE: . people have to have personal responsibility to behave and control their behavior on both sides.

BOLLING: Can -- with this if you go on, which have this debate a longer. Dana, very interestingly, as Brian points out. The day after this event where the guy jumped the barricade, got stopped by secret service. He was interviewed on CNN.

KILMEADE: Like a hero.

BOLLING: Is that a mistake on CNN's part to interview someone who did the - - who broke? First, he broke the law or may have broken the law?

PERINO: Well, as Brian just pointed out, and I think Kimberly did that Donald Trump then was on air for the rest of the weekend from top to bottom. I mean, I don't think, as a media person of CNN, if you get that interview, you take it? Absolutely. A lot of the questioning here has been. Where did this start, right? That's like the chicken and the egg, yeah. Where does it end? And I think the first thing that they have to do, at certainly Trump's rallies and now, maybe others, security have to be tightened up.

GUILFOYLE: He's totally right about that.

PERINO: The other thing is that the young people that are there, the way to beat Donald Trump if you want to, is at the ballot box. There was a YouGov dot -- YouGov poll today that said that young people -- and remember, there's 83 million of them now that are -- of the millennials, go against Trump, 52 to 19. So there's a lot of ground to make up, and if you actually want to beat him, you have the numbers to do it.

BOLLING: All right, let me just make one point about that. I think of this in a sports world analogy, when you're watching your favorite football and baseball team and someone runs out on the field. You know what the cameras do? They don't follow the guy around. They don't -- here's what they do, they take the shot of the bench.


BOLLING: They're told not to take the protester or the guy running the field. And maybe it's time that we do the same thing, we ignore these protesters.

KILMEADE: Well, you know what, the first --

WILLIAMS: No, no, wait a second.

KILMEADE: The first angle we didn't see, the second angle was the iPhone. I think somebody was shooting low to see the guy jump on the stage. The first angle was Donald Trump just turning his head. The second angle was from people in the audience.


BOLLING: I'm really kind of getting it why do we even bother of you and (inaudible), but --

GUILFOYLE: Well maybe Bernie Sanders can call out his supporters to, and Hillary Clinton, if any of them are there with their -- what you saw people assigned to not be disruptive, to, you know, honor people's right to First Amendment and freedom of speech, and to be able to assemble peacefully, I'm listen to it.

BOLLING: Minute going -- can I go?

GUILFOYLE: Yes (inaudible).

BOLLING: Got to go. Directly ahead, we have more winner take all states coming into play tomorrow, that could make or break entire campaigns. How the GOP contenders are fairing in key battleground states, coming up.


PERINO: On this Super Tuesday eve, all eyes are on the crucial winner- take-all states of Ohio and Florida. A new Quinnipiac polls shows Donald Trump and John Kasich tied in Kasich's home state of Ohio, each with 38 percent. Meanwhile in Florida, Trump holds a big lead over Marco Rubio on his home turf, 46 to 22 percent.

Despite the polls, both Rubio and Kasich believe they can take down the GOP front-runner.


SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: These polls do reflect how voters vote, because they see them and they wake up and say, "Well, he has no chance." But I just can tell you, they've been really wrong. And I think in Florida especially, which is a closed primary.

I think -- but that being said, we're going to win in Florida.

GOV. JOHN KASICH (R-OH), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't think he's going to be the nominee. I'm going to win in Ohio. We're rising all across the country. And I believe there's a good chance that I could go into the convention with the largest number of delegates, because the campaign has shifted to places where I think we're going to do better.


PERINO: All right. Tomorrow will give us some blessed clarity -- Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: I can't wait. I think I'm going to stay up all night long. How about you guys?

PERINO: I'll meet you here at midnight.

GUILFOYLE: Let's do it. Midnight tomorrow.

KILMEADE: The third straight (ph).

GUILFOYLE: Let's do it. Why not? Because by the way, this is it. This is, I think, the biggest deal so far that we've had in terms of this election season. Two huge, you know, things at stake here, and depending on what happens, who's going to be in, who's going to be out. A lot of pressure on the candidates at this point with such a delegate-rich number available.

PERINO: Kasich, he said there on the clip that he plans to win his home state of Ohio, and then I've heard that they think they'll do better in Illinois, which is not winner-take-all. But they think that they have some support growing, some money coming in, so Eric, he thinks he might have a shot.

BOLLING: Love him, good friend. I've known him a really good time. He has no chance to get the delegates. He's -- I love -- even if he wins Ohio, it's so -- it's a slim, slim possibility.

Illinois is your winner take most, which could also turn into winner-take- all if the winner does very well.

Florida looks -- you know, Quinnipiac, very reliable poll, has Trump up by 20 there. Missouri, there's -- Missouri is the big question. There's literally been no polling, so that could go -- there's 52 delegates; could go a lot of places, winner take most. North Carolina, big number, 72 delegates, proportional.

GUILFOYLE: Pretty unlikely, though.

BOLLING: In Ohio, look, you had Rasmussen on this morning. He told you Trump could lose Ohio, win other states and only need 42 percent of the remaining votes. And if that were the case, we would be down to a three- man race, because I think if Kasich wins Ohio, he'll stay in.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: Rubio would probably likely drop out. So it's 40 percent. He's almost at 40 percent now with four people in.

KILMEADE: Right. Just don't confuse Rasmussen with the Rasmussen poll. He left. He left his name, but he kept...

PERINO: Don't forget the Northern Marianas tomorrow, as well.

KILMEADE: You know, you're right. Not enough attention, because we couldn't put it in the prompter, because no one could actually spell it.

In Illinois, Kasich has got 16 percent of the vote, according to CBS. Somebody else says -- the NBC says he's got 21 percent. So he could walk away with something there, maybe walk away with something in North Carolina.

The most intriguing thing, I thing that I find, I think, that's going to be the most inaccurate is Florida. I do not believe -- and this is famous last words; good thing no one tapes this show. Nobody has VCRs any more, correct?


KILMEADE: My thing is, I do not think Rubio's down by double-digits. I sense that...

PERINO: His campaign says they're not either. Their internals show more...

KILMEADE: Yes, yes. I sense it's a lot closer.

BOLLING: I'll give you that.

KILMEADE: I mean -- no, because he's getting big crowds. I think it made a lot of sense -- made a lot of sense at the early voting. And I thought he had a very good debate. All of a sudden, after the debate, he craters, after that debate? I find that astounding.

PERINO: Juan, are you excited to spend another Tuesday evening with me tomorrow night?

WILLIAMS: Absolutely, absolutely. Let me just say: I think that Kasich's strategy is not to win outright; it's to get to the convention. And increasingly, I think that is also, if Rubio's still in, that's Rubio's strategy and Cruz's strategy.

KILMEADE: If he loses to Florida, he can't stay in.

WILLIAMS: Well, I'm just telling you, they see that there is such opposition to Trump, I mean, Romney's out there today campaigning with Kasich, right?


WILLIAMS: So you have people who say, "You know what? This is not good for the party," and who at the convention will try to force it away from Trump if he doesn't reach the 1,237. Is that the number?

GUILFOYLE: Well, then it becomes even uglier. Because then -- then it's about, you know, disenfranchising people who participated in record numbers to have their voice heard, which is also problematic.

WILLIAMS: No, I think you're wrong. I think if you don't meet the numbers...

GUILFOYLE: Peel the votes away from...

WILLIAMS: ... if you don't get to 1,237, then it's an open convention.

PERINO: Well, and here's a fun fact that should make people feel a little better, I think. So in ten Republican elections, they've gone to the convention having no one -- with no one having the 1,237 or the majority, or whatever it was, and everything turned out OK. Five of the ten of those went on to become the nominee and become the president. Seven of ten of those did not become the nominee, the person who had the most delegates going in, but they didn't have a majority. So there's a process.

BOLLING: Reagan was bruised. He wasn't happy in '76.

PERINO: Not ideal.

WILLIAMS: No, Reagan did well coming out of there, though. He became the guy. I mean, he changed the party.

KILMEADE: Right. For the next four years, he became the guy.

WILLIAMS: But I will say this. The thing to watch, I think, we're all paying so much attention to Ohio and to Florida, but as Eric was pointing out earlier, if you do well with Illinois and Missouri...

BOLLING: North Carolina.

GUILFOYLE: And North Carolina.

WILLIAMS: ... you might be on the way. So I think that's another alternative for Trump.


WILLIAMS: Trump was the guy. Look, Trump has all the momentum here.

BOLLING: If Rubio does well, if he loses four...

WILLIAMS: I don't see -- I don't see Rubio right now. I see Rubio's last stand.

BOLLING: Florida.

WILLIAMS: Florida.

PERINO: And don't forget the Northern Marianas.

All right. That's -- that's the GOP side of the election. What's happening with the Democrats? We hear that Hillary is a bit nervous about Bernie Sanders. We're going to tell you more about that.

Next, and a programming note, be sure to tune in tomorrow at 5 p.m. and again at midnight Eastern for our special live post-election analysis. We'll be right back.


WILLIAMS: There's no denying Bernie Sanders' appeal with young voters, and his rival, Hillary Clinton, wants to get in on the action, as you can see in this campaign ad spoof on "Saturday Night Live."


KATE MCKINNON, CAST MEMBER, NBC'S "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": I know you millennials, you're fired up, you're angry. And I'm angry too. Because the top 10 percent of the top 1 percent controls 90 percent of the wealth in this country.

And I've always said that. Ever since I was a young boy growing up in Brooklyn.

So thank you millennials for lending your support to the biggest outsider Jew in the race, Hillary Rodham Clinton. There's a lot of work to be done, and that is why I am sick and tired of hearing about my own damn e-mails.


WILLIAMS: Pretty funny.

GUILFOYLE: Pretty funny.

WILLIAMS: With polls tightening nationwide, Clinton's campaign appears to be anxious heading into tomorrow's primaries, hoping to avoid a repeat of Super Tuesday, according to NBC's Chuck Todd.


CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS: I can tell you the Clinton campaign is very nervous about Ohio. They're very nervous about Missouri, which looks an awful lot like Oklahoma to them.


TODD: Rahm Emanuel's unpopularity may cost them votes in Chicago they normally would have. And they're even thinking North Carolina's going to be close.


WILLIAMS: Dana, when you look at this race right now, you say, gosh, what an upset happened in Michigan. I think people say it was the biggest upset since, like, the '80s. Right? She was up plus 20, and she loses.

Now tomorrow going in, we see that Sanders is up just one point in Missouri, and it's close, very close in Ohio and Illinois. What do you think?

PERINO: Well, I also think that this recent brouhaha about what she said about outsourcing being inevitable, which is actually true and a free- market argument. Although she could have said, "But in order to bring back jobs to America, I would do X, Y, Z." I think that in North Carolina and Ohio, in particular, that could hurt her.

Missouri is such -- is so odd because, as Eric was pointing out, there's such little polling there that you don't know. And I think the Bernie Sanders campaign has been a lot more organized than Hillary Clinton expected.

But I would also add this: This primary for her has exposed her for being a very weak candidate. And I think that Bernie Sanders will stay in until June 7 at least.

WILLIAMS: Kimberly, when you look to the two big states that we've been talking about, Ohio and Florida, Mrs. Clinton is up, I think, plus five in Ohio. She's up big time in Florida. What does that say to you?

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, obviously, there's some disparity across the board there. She should feel pretty good about Florida. I mean, other than that, I mean, she should have some concern.

What's going to be to her advantage is, they sort of got a wakeup call with, you know, that shocking upset. So now maybe they had enough time to kind of put the Clinton forces into effect, whatever those might be, and make sure that they get the results that they need, because she really actually can't afford another big upset like that. I mean, you can't have like, you know...

WILLIAMS: Eric, let's look at Illinois.

GUILFOYLE: ... dents in the armor.

WILLIAMS: This is really interesting politics in Illinois right now. Latinos look like they're going towards Sanders. And you've got the whole issue of Rahm Emanuel, the mayor.

BOLLING: That's -- I love -- I'm from Chicago. I love the fact that Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have both disavowed Rahm Emanuel, who spoke...

KILMEADE: The next nominee.

BOLLING: Right. "We don't want anything to do with him. We don't want your endorsement." That's pushing back. That's hilarious; that's great.

OK, I'll -- let me -- let's do it this way. I'll pretend like the numbers, they don't matter, like you know, just -- they don't matter.

GUILFOYLE: You can't do that.

BOLLING: I can pretend that Hillary Clinton's [SIC] still in this. Because maybe if Bernie Sanders does well throughout the Midwest, then some of these super delegates that are really, really in Hillary Clinton's camp, I think, if I'm not mistaken, they can switch at a later date. They're not pledged until the convention. So maybe he could still win.

Honestly, the numbers show that he -- that he really can't. It's her nomination.


WILLIAMS: I was listening. I was interested where you were going with this. I just didn't know.

GUILFOYLE: He was just having a little -- fun with you.

KILMEADE: We were so quiet during the break, I made a little list. Because no one was talking.

So I -- all the things that Hillary Clinton has changed. OK, she used to be strong at the border. Now everyone could stay. She used to have a crime bill; "sorry about that." She used to be for welfare reform. That was a big mistake. "Libya wasn't my job; it's Barack Obama's." The TPP was the -- was the gold standard for trade deals. "I hate the TPP."

So she changed on everything. What is she voting for, who are you voting for? What are we doing here? She's going to win it just on recognition. She's going to just run out the clock, and it's going to be exhausting. The Republicans have got to be kicking themselves, saying this should be a layup.

GUILFOYLE: She's running on personality, because she's not a natural politician.

PERINO: To say it be a layup for Republicans against Hillary. But I don't understand that, because if we're supposed to believe all the polls today, that Trump's in the lead in all those places, but are we not supposed to believe the polls that show in a head to head?

BOLLING: Maybe the polls do show that. As we well know, with four people on the right...

KILMEADE: Trump would lose, but the others would win.

BOLLING: ... he had...

PERINO: Well, that's what I'm just saying. Like, are we not to believe those polls and only believe the polls where Trump is winning?

BOLLING: Well, you know it's nine, eight months out. It's way too early to be looking at polls.

PERINO: I think they haven't even begun.

WILLIAMS: All right. All right. Let's...


PERINO: I know.

WILLIAMS: We've got to -- we've got to get out of here. But I will...

GUILFOYLE: Except for e-mail. E-mail service scandal.

WILLIAMS: ... say this on Mrs. Clinton's behalf, that in fact in races where it's just Democrats voting, she is swamping him, and there are more and more states coming up where it's going to be closed primaries just among Democrats.

BOLLING: In the North.

WILLIAMS: Look for Clinton, especially in the north, right. So look for Clinton to continue on her March.

GUILFOYLE: Nice save by Juan.

WILLIAMS: Next another march, this time a march to March Madness. We'll reveal our final four brackets picks for the big college basketball tournament. Look for Kilmeade after the break.

KILMEADE: Up for Gutfeld.



KILMEADE: I like my music better than Juan's, Juan's was "You Can Call Me Al." Right?

WILLIAMS: I love that song.

KILMEADE: Hey, it's one of my favorite times of the year. You know why? Because it's in the prompter. March Madness is here, so grab your brackets. Yes, the No. 1 seeds to the 2016 NCAA tournament are here. After just a two-hour bracket show, Kansas, North Carolina, Virginia and Oregon State are No. 1. It all starts tomorrow with a pair of opening round games, the play-in (ph) games that has Dana tingling.

So before that, we have to pick -- make our picks to go around the table. I'm making my picks in the name of Greg Gutfeld, because I will not be here to ride them out.

So I think it's time to do the order that's been pre-scripted. I'm going to go with Kimberly Guilfoyle.


KILMEADE: Kimberly, can you give me your final four, please?

GUILFOYLE: All right. You mean my winners, babe? All right. So I've got Kansas against Oklahoma, with Kansas dominating there. Then I've got Xavier versus Michigan State, OK? Michigan taking it. And then ultimately the big winner, the big kahuna, is going to be Kansas.


GUILFOYLE: I feel very confident about that, since Kyle's father helped me pick them.

KILMEADE: Oh, really?

BOLLING: Who played ball professional.

GUILFOYLE: Who played ball professional. So I was like, "You know what? I'm going to call in an expert here and just get real."

BOLLING: Phone a friend.

KILMEADE: I'm going to call in Juan. Juan.

WILLIAMS: Well, I just think this is all about Kansas. I just think they've been head and shoulders above everybody.

So -- but remember, I don't live in the Midwest; I live in the East.


WILLIAMS: In the Mid-Atlantic.


WILLIAMS: And I just love Virginia. I've been enjoying watching them. And actually, I think Maryland's been a lot of fun to watch. But ultimately, it comes down, I think, to Kansas, Texas, North Carolina, Virginia, and I think Kansas prevails.

KILMEADE: Well, I think that it's a very solid analysis. I think 1-800- ESPN for Juan Williams, surely.

Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: I have North Carolina in the East. I have, in the Midwest, Michigan State, great ball team. But my -- my director says no way UVA is going to beat Michigan State. Kansas in the South and in the West, Texas A&M. And I have, also like my co-hosts, I have Kansas winning the whole thing.

KILMEADE: Dana, you're going to do the mascot thing, right?

PERINO: I'm going to wait until the final four, and then I'll go by mascots.

KILMEADE: That's excellent.

PERINO: I try not to talk about things I know nothing about, and sports is one of them.

KILMEADE: OK, great.

PERINO: So I'll pass.

GUILFOYLE: You do quite well, though.

PERINO: Mascot theory is unbeatable. But this is too many.

KILMEADE: I'm playing -- I'm playing for broke, because I'm playing for somebody else. I'm playing for Gutfeld.

So my final four will be Kansas and Duke. They'll face off. Duke will emerge, despite what Juan Williams says. Kentucky will play Michigan State, because Kentucky is surging, and Michigan State seems to have the stellar program with the great coaching staff. But somehow, I'm getting the feeling, even though Duke didn't have a stellar year, I'm getting the sense that with low expectations, this might be the time.

WILLIAMS: What about Kentucky?

BOLLING: He has them.

KILMEADE: I have them losing to Michigan State.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but I'm saying Kentucky is a team that I think has been underperforming, great coach, just like Duke. But you didn't pick that.

KILMEADE: Hey, Kimberly, you know what I think is interesting?

GUILFOYLE: Why do you pick an underperformer, if they constantly underperform? What makes you think they're all of a sudden, you know...

WILLIAMS: Oh, because I think -- I think that they can come through, especially this time of year, with a great coach.

KILMEADE: So we were all very positive for each or other's picks...

GUILFOYLE: That's the thing.

KILMEADE: We were so positive for each other's picks, until Juan just calls me out on mine. Can you embrace my picks? Because everyone's got a chance right now.

WILLIAMS: No, no. You know what happened is, you came in here as a disrupter. You didn't come in...

KILMEADE: You're right, you're right.

GUILFOYLE: Get him out! Get him out!

KILMEADE: All right. I'll get you out of there. "One More Thing" is next. How do I know? It says on the prompter.


GUILFOYLE: Howdy. It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Dana.

PERINO: This is a special thing. So "The Guinness Book of World Records" has announced the world's oldest man. He's 112 years old. He's Israeli, and he lived through both world wars and survived the Nazi concentration camp of Auschwitz. His name is Israel Kristal. He moved to Israel in 1950 with his second wife and their son. His first wife and two sons were killed in the Holocaust.

He says -- well, he had a confectionary business, which was very successful. And when asked the secret to a long life, he said, "I don't know. I believe that everything is determined from above, and we shall never know the reasons why."

So congratulations...


PERINO: ... to Israel. You're a real inspiration to everyone.

GUILFOYLE: Very nice story. I appreciate that.

Also before I forget, I'll be on with Lou Dobbs later at 7 p.m. on FBN.

But I thought this picture was so super cute. This is Malia Obama caught on camera, teasing her sister with a little sarcastic thumbs up sign as Sasha's sort of swooning over meeting Ryan Reynolds at their -- at their first state dinner. So this is very adorable. He is one of four Canadian actors and actresses that were amongst the guests there.

But see, even girls in the White House just want to, like, have a crush and be like, tease their sisters. It's very cute. And Ryan Reynolds is very nice. Handsome, handsome.

KILMEADE: Is that the star of "Deadpool," the movie I have to see?

BOLLING: Yes, yes.

GUILFOYLE: You're behind on that?

KILMEADE: Yes, I'm a little behind.

WILLIAMS: Let me just tell you about this. I hope that's their dad in the back. And I hope their dad is aware of what's going on.

KILMEADE: He is in back. Absolutely.

GUILFOYLE: This was, you know, the -- kept one eye on them.

WILLIAMS: All right. All right. Anyway, back to the White House, because Broadway came to the White House today as the cast of the hit Broadway show "Hamilton" put on a special visit. The creator of the show -- it's a hip- hop history show -- Lin-Manuel Miranda, agreed to have a student workshop and answer questions from young people at the White House today.

In case you don't know, it's the hip-hop rap version of Alexander Hamilton's life. Hamilton, of course, the nation's first treasury secretary.

BOLLING: Presale of tickets, somewhere around $75 million worth of presales.

KILMEADE: You can't get a ticket.

BOLLING: You can't get a seat.

KILMEADE: Can't get a seat.

BOLLING: Have you seen it yet?

WILLIAMS: Yes. I loved it.

BOLLING: Have you seen it?

PERINO: No, Juan didn't take me.

WILLIAMS: I offered to take her.

GUILFOYLE: Juan said he was going to, and then he didn't do it. That's a liberal for you. All promise, no deliver.

KILMEADE: But bring Dana out to the lottery. There's a lottery every time for seats.

WILLIAMS: I should bring Dana out.

KILMEADE: It wouldn't be the classiest thing, but it might be effective.

WILLIAMS: I think I'll get Dana tickets.

KILMEADE: OK, buddy (ph).

GUILFOYLE: Or a ticket scalper. Well, you know, like a nice one, a broker.

KILMEADE: They're usually nice people.

GUILFOYLE: Eric, go.

BOLLING: Are you guys done?

GUILFOYLE: Look, you're in the prompter.

BOLLING: This is very important. Take a look at the full screen right here. Tomorrow night at midnight, there's a -- first of all, we'll be on at 5, then coming back at midnight. And it's important, because Florida, Illinois and Missouri are going to close at 8. North Carolina and Ohio, 7:30. But these are -- these times are all eastern. So within a couple hours of that, we should have some pretty clear ideas on how many delegates each candidate has and make some real, real solid...

GUILFOYLE: Titanic Tuesday.

BOLLING: Stick around with us.



KILMEADE: Thank you, I should have been called on. Congratulations to Ainsley Earhardt, our mutual friend.


KILMEADE: Since she joined the show, the ratings are up 30 percent.


KILMEADE: And 37 percent in the demo, which is the younger audience.

GUILFOYLE: We know how to pick them.

KILMEADE: Right, absolutely. Wonderful person, and it's been great working with her.

BOLLING: Yes, that's great.

PERINO: You guys did some crazy scientific experiment this morning. Things were exploding.

KILMEADE: A phone (ph) took over New York City. You have to watch it online.


GUILFOYLE: ... to watch with the three of you on there.

Set your DVRs so you don't miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

KILMEADE: Quicker next time.

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