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Delegate-rich Michigan is Tuesday's biggest prize

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 8, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

It's another big night and the race for the republican nomination on this primary day. Voting is underway right now in four states. On the GOP side, 150 delegates are up for grabs, 59 in Michigan, 40 in Mississippi, 32 in Idaho, and 19 in Hawaii. The first polls close in just under three hours from now in Mississippi. Donald Trump said he wants to take on Ted Cruz in a two-man race. But is that such a good idea? According to the latest national poll by the Washington Post and ABC News, the GOP front-runner falls short against Cruz and Marco Rubio in head to head match-ups. Here's what the republican rivals are saying on the campaign trail before tonight's elections results.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

SEN. MARCO RUBIO, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Here in Florida if you vote for John Kasich or Ted Cruz, you are voting for Donald Trump. I am the only one that can beat him in Florida. I am the only one that stops from here.

GOV. JOHN KASICH, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're focused here in Michigan today.
We want to do as well as we can do here, and then we go to Ohio. And we're now getting on home turf. Brian, you understand this better than anybody.
In March madness, you want to play home games, and we're getting closer and closer to home games. So we'll take it a day at a time.

SEN. TED CRUZ, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If you don't want to see Donald Trump as the nominee, and if you don't want to see Hillary Clinton as the president, which is the inevitable result of Donald Trump being the nominee, come join us. Let us stand together.

DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And I saw some polls yesterday in Michigan where I'm 19 and 20 points up. And I saw some very, very good polls. I'm still leading in Florida against a failed senator. You know, Rubio is a failed senator.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

GUILFOYLE: All right. Eric, tell us about the numbers for tonight and what needs to happen in terms of the math adding up, because we're hearing a lot of potential scenarios and --

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So again, I spent the day -- I'm spending every day, you should see my desk, it's like papers and numbers spread out everywhere and --

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: A bottle of rum?

BOLLING: A bottle of vodka in the back.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: Proportional delegates --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: The two big ones, obviously, being Michigan and Mississippi.
Michigan because of the delegate count, and Mississippi because, if Donald Trump does win Mississippi, it will kind of round out the whole south of the only thing left in the south being Florida. So he would want to win that just to make the map look good. We could use a billboard for that, but interesting though, the numbers -- by the numbers, the total vote count, kind of close. Donald Trump at 38 percent of all the votes, Ted Cruz with
31 percent of all the votes cast. Important, because between the two of them, that's 69, almost 70 percent of all votes cast on the GOP side for either Trump or Ted Cruz. Again, going, looking forward to, if it's not -- if they go to a brokered convention, it doesn't look like it is. In my opinion, if they do, that will be tough to not name one of those two, your nominee.

GUILFOYLE: I'll take your point.

BOLLING: Total contests, have been 20 total contests between states and territories. Trump has won 60 percent of them, 12 of them. And Cruz has won
30 percent. So between two of them they've not only won 70 percent of the vote, they've won 90 percent of the contest.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Wait, wait, wait, I love numbers.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: Are you making an argument for why there should not be a brokered convention?

BOLLING: Let me, let me just tell you why one would -- why the total contest really matters more than the total votes.

WILLIAMS: All right.

BOLLING: No one's talking about the total contest, but here's why. Going forward after tonight, proportional, but after tonight, going forward, Florida, North Carolina, Illinois, Ohio, that's 306 delegates. New York, Pennsylvania, and California, 338 delegates, that means going forward.
Those are winner take all states. So if you're just getting one more vote than the second place guy, you're getting all the votes. That's why total contests really matter. So again, Trump comes in with 60 percent of total, Cruz at 30 percent.

WILLIAMS: Wait, wait. Your point is there shouldn't be a brokered convention?

BOLLING: There shouldn't be.

WILLIAMS: Because -- but you realize --

BOLLING: Because there's a winning 70 percent of the popular vote and 90 percent of the contest.

WILLIAMS: But as we, were going over yesterday, the rules are.

BOLLING: Sure.

WILLIAMS: . if you don't reach the delegate count you made it.

BOLLING: Right.

WILLIAMS: But the rule says you can have a brokered convention.

BOLLING: You can, but it should go to one of those two.

WILLIAMS: That so.

GUILFOYLE: All right Dana, I want to get your thoughts on this process.
Because it is -- I mean, there's a tremendous amount, right there with the two percentages between the two, but take it to the next level.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, tonight our contests that are not winner take all, so it's proportional. So even if you win a certain state, you come out first, but if you -- whoever comes in second, if they close that gap, then you're a proportional delegates. So we are not at a winner take all position yet, that will be next Tuesday. So everybody will want it to and then.

BOLLING: Right, right.

PERINO: And Trump needs to win about 54 percent of all the remaining delegates. It's kind of an up-hill climb as if you look at what he's had so far, you don't get to 1237. Go ahead.

BOLLING: Yes. He does need on win the delegates. But going forward, because it becomes winner take all, you don't have to win 54 percent of the votes, you just have to win the 54 percent of the states going forward, and all you need is one more vote than the second place. There's why the total contest matters versus votes. I'm sorry.

GUILFOYLE: And Dana?

PERINO: You -- whoever it is has to get to 1237. If they don't get the 1237, there is a process by which there is a -- there are delegates that awarded. The thing people aren't talking about yet is that state contests are about to happen to award those delegates. You actually, in many states
-- every state is different. But every state has people who decide to run in order to be a delegate. So those contests are going to happen, starting about 10 days from now, like first week of April. That's when the Michigan one happens. My only point is that 1237 is the magic number. When Mitt Romney got to 1244 in the contest, there wasn't anybody -- there wasn't any real competition left by that point, but they had a big celebration, because they knew he would be the nominee. Short of that, they could not have had that celebration, so that's a reason to keep paying attention.

GUILFOYLE: And Dana, one more question I can tag on to that to you is that I was watching (inaudible) earlier, and he said here tonight, it matters because we're going to see what happens with these, you know, four states, but he called next Tuesday, Titanic -- not Super Tuesday but Titanic Tuesday, or it's going to be like the Titanic and somebody has to go under after those results.

PERINO: But -- well, possibly, and you can -- you narrow it down from there, but the two may -- those two very important states, not only for Titanic Tuesday, (inaudible) we're calling it, or for the general election.
Ohio and Florida, two very key states for republicans, no matter what, they really need to win them if they plan to win in the -- they want to win in the general election. John Kasich is trying to make a case that he could win Ohio. Rubio or Cruz are saying that they could try to deny Trump that win in Florida, I think both of those things might be difficult, but we'll know a lot more tonight. Remember, in all those contests that we've had so far, the polling has been way higher than what the voting has actually come in at. So I'm not ready to call it yet. We don't even have election polls -
- result until 6:00 p.m.

GUILFOYLE: All right, there you go. We've got some smart analysis at this table. Greg, can you -- if you --

GUTFELD: And now you're coming to me?

GUILFOYLE: And this is why, you know -- stay with us folks --

GUTFELD: All right. I just want to apologize for that endless amount of boring statistics. Look, there are 19 delegates in Hawaii. This is important because three of them are McGarrett, Danno and Chin Ho, and they matter to me. But Mississippi has 40 delegates. This is important because without Mississippi, how can you count when you play hide and seek?

GUILFOYLE: My god.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: I'm glad I waited until seven minutes in for that.

GUTFELD: Yes. A vote for x is a vote for y. We need to ban that. I'm tired of hearing a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary. A vote for Rubio is a vote for Trump. A vote for Laverne is a vote for Shirley. A vote is a vote is a vote. The vote -- the person you vote for is the person you vote for, and that's what you should do. You shouldn't say, I'm not gonna vote for this person because it's kind of allow this person to win. You should vote for the person that you want to vote for. I'm kind of tired of hearing that.

GUILFOYLE: OK, are you going to ban people that --

GUTFELD: I'm banning you.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. OK. Well too bad, I'm in charge. OK, Juan, I like your color complementing with mine. So what do think about --

WILLIAMS: I got the memo.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, you got the memo -- about tonight, because they're all pointing fingers, dirty tricks, this and that. But tonight is a big night in terms of the results. We're going to have a much clearer picture, and as Eric were showing earlier, in terms of the percentages, you pretty tight right now between Trump and Cruz.

WILLIAMS: What interests me so much, Kimberly, is that I don't think Cruz is gonna do -- win anything tonight. I don't think he has much of a shot and I don't think he thinks he has much of a shot to win anything tonight.
So it looks to me like a big night for Trump. But then the question becomes by what margin does Trump win? Because what we've seen in these polls and the most recent polls is, they indicate that Trump's lead seems to be declining or shrinking at the moment. So what does that tell you? It tells you that all these adds being pushed by conservative establishment groups on the republican side, may be having some impact on Donald Trump. Now, if that's the case, boy, Eric, that shakes things up.

BOLLING: Not at all.

WILLIAMS: . because going forward --

BOLLING: Not at all.

WILLIAMS: Well, hey --

BOLLING: It's not at all.

WILLIAMS: Can I talk for a second?

BOLLING: Yeah, sure. Sure, go ahead, But --

WILLIAMS: I let you speak for so long.

BOLLING: Yeah. I'm listening. Go.

WILLIAMS: All right. So you have an opportunity here, I think to find out whether or not the conservative establishment has identified real weaknesses in Trump that resonate with the base, with the base. And that's the question. We have now going forward states where, as you were pointing out. Often time it's limited to republican voters. Not anybody just jumping in. How do republicans, real republicans react to these attacks on Trump coming from the republican establishment?

BOLLING: Can I just talk about what you -- so tonight is the last time proportional matters, as Dana point out.

WILLIAMS: Right.

BOLLING: Proportional delegates will go.

PERINO: Not necessarily.

BOLLING: Well, OK. But going forward, like I just I outline 700 delegates over the -- in seven states going forward, that will be winner take all, or all the leader has to do is win by one vote. So that's why a narrowing lead isn't that important.

WILLIAMS: Right.

BOLLING: Again, here's the most important stat of all of them. In 2016 versus 2008, the last time there was a primary, an open primary.

WILLIAMS: Right.

BOLLING: . the republicans have come out 65 percent higher turnout in the -
- on the republican side than 2008, 65 percent.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

BOLLING: . on the democrat side, down 30 percent. So --

WILLIAMS: Wait a second. It's a different conversation. I'm glad to have it because it really doesn't make any difference --

BOLLING: No question, but --

WILLIAMS: As it may have difference to give that is that --

BOLLING: The point is whatever is going on, on the republican side is bringing new people to the new republicans to the table.

WILLIAMS: Right.

BOLLING: New voters to the republican table.

WILLIAMS: I think that's undeniable. Boy, Donald Trump is entertaining. He drives up ratings. Everybody loves and care about him.

BOLLING: I said whatever is going on.

WILLIAMS: I think Trump is what's going on. I don't think there's any question about that. But I'm just telling you, if you look historically in previous cycles, when you see one side, you know, pouring out, especially when you have an incumbent president from the other side, it doesn't necessarily translate to what happens in the general.

GUILFOYLE: Greg?

GUTFELD: The interesting thing and it is true about the -- how many angry new voters there -- are in this process? It implies that they weren't voting republican in 2008 and 2012, when President Obama won. We could have used them. So when someone says they are angry and they're blaming, quote, "the establishment" but incorporating all these conservative that may have worked for the past eight years to fight against Obama, why aren't you there? We welcome you, but you shouldn't. You shouldn't enter this party and say, it's your fault, because we, perhaps, could have used it.
Conservatism is not a restaurant that you can trash on yelp. It is a group of people. It's a group of people that have worked against liberals for many, many years that have been ideologically fairly pure that have supported candidates that are less than perfect, but they were there. They were there. And that's important and you can't forget that.

GUILFOYLE: All right. On a positive note, thank God for National Pancake Day, because I'm going to need something sweet after that. We're going to do -- put our rally caps on, a lot of interesting stuff tonight, a programming note. Keep it locked on Fox News for complete primary coverage, beginning at 8:00 p.m. eastern with Megyn Kelly and Bret Baier. And later, don't miss our special live midnight edition -- yes, you can spread the virus at the table -- edition of the "The Five" tonight with our post election analysis on today's races coming up. Marco Rubio's team is blasting Ted Cruz. You've might heard this today, over so-called dirty tricks. Details on the latest GOP campaign trail accusations when we return. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: The Rubio campaign is striking back against a CNN report that some advisers want him to drop out of race, even before Florida next week.
Rubio's team confronted the network about this erroneous reporting last night.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALEX CONANT, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR RUBIO CAMPAIGN: Jamie's report was utter nonsense. She denied contact the campaign prior to coming on the show last night, we were reporting that. It is 100 percent absolutely false. I think CNN is doing a disservice to voters by airing that sort of, that sort of reporting, without even checking with the campaign.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN POLITICAL ANCHOR: Some of her sources close to the campaign, inside the campaign, not the senator himself, clearly not you, saying one of them saying he doesn't want to get killed in his home state.

CONANT: Well, I have a lot of respect for you, but I'm asking you to stop reading that sort of fiction on air, because it is not true at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Even the Washington Post is slamming the reporting saying, quote, "CNN didn't have the level of specificity in order to make it credible."
Shortly after that, Cruz' team allegedly sent out this e-mail to voters in Hawaii with the subject line, wasted vote, outlining why voting for Rubio would be a mistake. On America's Newsroom earlier, Rubio's team blasted Cruz over his campaign tactics.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CAITLIN CONANT, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR RUBIO CAMPAIGN: I can tell you that Ted Cruz today has been spreading it around, because they're scared that Marco Rubio is going to win Florida. And it is the same type of nonsense that he did against Ben Carson, when there were false reports that he was dropping out of the race. And it is really fortunate that this camp is going to say or do anything to get elected.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: In a preview from this town hall airing tomorrow on The Kelly File, Cruz clarifies, saying the e-mail was not authorized by his campaign.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CRUZ: Well, look, that the nature of politics is that when a campaign is flailing, they attack. And they attack other candidates and they attack their integrity. This particular e-mail apparently came from a volunteer in Hawaii, not affiliated with the campaign. Not working with the campaign.

(shouting)

CRUZ: Not only that, our legal counsel sent them a letter saying, take that, take that e-mail and bounce.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: All right, so here's the tip, Greg. If you are still on the race, the four of them, if -- unless you hear from the campaign manager themselves to the other campaign, and a call of a heads up, don't go with these rumors because everybody is saying they're not getting out.

GUTFELD: Yeah, you know, rumors are like the flu. If you give someone the flu you don't blame it on the person who gave it to you. It is your responsibility to keep other people from hearing a rumor, especially if it is not substantiated. You know, I hear bad stuff all the time about you, Dana. But I never --

PERINO: Probably at this table.

GUTFELD: No. No, Kimberly, stop.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: But you never report on things until you go and you have it that substantiated. And you should, you should always be skeptical because somebody always has something to gain when they're saying something bad.
Like Cruz or whoever has something to gain. So the CNN producer probably should have called Rubio --

PERINO: But that's one thing. It's that why not -- let's say that she had one source, either close to or inside the campaign, Kimberly. But then why not also then call an official spokesperson so that you include in the story, they've denied or they've hedged or whatever. That's been --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, yeah. You're absolutely right. Because just with a little bit of journalistic integrity and chasing the story down to make sure you have accurate sources, you can avoid that. But guess what? Then you might not have a story, right? So it kind of it goes to suggest what the motivation and sort of self-preservation, self-interest that's operating there. Because if you're really interested in the truth, you would do your homework and you would make sure before you say something incredibly damaging. It's also a little bit that easy because we've heard this sort of drip, drip from the faucet, right? So they just opened it up a little bit more about, oh Ted Cruz, dirty tricks, oh what Ted Cruz with Carson, when Carson said, listen, don't believe these rumors. I was just going home to get a change of clothes from Florida. You know, I wasn't dropping out of the race. So now when we hear it, there's a little bit of layering psychologically, so people tend to believe it, like what kind of sounds. So whether it is true or not, they've heard it and the perception becomes the reality.

PERINO: Also Eric, before next Tuesday, when Ohio and Florida takes place, I think it's unreasonable to think that either Kasich or Rubio are going to get out of the race before their home state vote.

BOLLING: Right. So the way I see it and --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: First of all, I run the numbers on this, and here's what I found today.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: Where's the whiteboard?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Why does it have to be white?

PERINO: I just noticed the height difference.

BOLLING: There are times where we'll get an e-mail saying, whatever, Ben Carson may be dropping out tonight, but don't go to air with it because we're trying to confirm with the campaign. That's what journalists do for Wolf to say some of his sources said it. But one of them inside, close to the campaign may have said it. It's the little -- I think they should have definitely tied up a lot stronger before they went to air with it. Let's take it one step further, though. I don't really think Ted Cruz is to blame for a campaign person.

PERINO: I agree.

BOLLING: . sending something to Hawaii or from Hawaii, whatever. I mean, there are so many people involved in these campaigns. If they hear something, and you don't know if they are a volunteer, they could be a student, who knows? So it's hard to hold Ted Cruz accountable for like that.

PERINO: I agree.

BOLLING: . didn't vote. One of those other spokespersons did, persons did?
I think that's a mistake. But look, and Kimberly is right, because of what happened in Iowa, maybe that's the reason why some of it. So let's everyone take a step back.

GUILFOYLE: Right and easy.

BOLLING: The pride didn't happen and let's move on from here. But CNN definitely -- they tied up those loose ends.

PERINO: Last word from -- you worked on a lot of campaigns.

WILLIAMS: I did. And I'll tell you something, I love grudges. Because guess what, somebody has a grudge, they're going to call me. They're going to call me and spread a rumor, Gregory.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: . and I like rumors. But then you got to go do the reporting. Now in this case, you know what? There is a lot of logic to the idea that Rubio does not want to get embarrassed in Florida. So as a reporter, I would think, hmm, there's something to this story. So if she, the reporter,
(inaudible) went and found such a person, I think she was obligated, as Kimberly was saying to get an official statement. Doesn't necessarily mean the story was not real. And the final point is when something fits a narrative pattern. I know narrative is a banned word, but if it fits a pattern. And remember, Donald Trump calling Cruz a liar. Ben Carson saying I'm having a private meeting and suddenly it's out in public. Where did it come from? Boy, I think a lots of people think, geez, Ted Cruz, you play hard, buddy. I don't know if you play fair.

PERINO: All right, bottom line is, I don't think anybody is dropping out before Titanic Tuesday or whatever we're calling it.

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: All right, coming up. Donald Trump's rise in the Republican Party is like the rise of Islamic extremism? That's the allegations, just the latest attack against the front-runner by members of the media. Greg is going to break it down, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: This just sit in: Donald Trump supporters are planning to carry out terrorist attacks on the West. I'm sorry. Did I say Trump's supporters? I mean, ISIS. Forgive my confusion. I was just watching CNN, where Fareed Zakaria actually compares Donald fans to radical Islamists. What a tool:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FAREED ZAKARIA, JOURNALIST: A mean cause of the rise of the extremism in the world of Islam has been the cowardice of Muslim moderates who for decades chose not to condemn bad ideas and ugly rhetoric… avoided confronting the cancer in plain sight…. It is now clear that a similar dynamic has been at play in the world of conservatism…. What is different about the conservative movement is that since the 1990s, some of its most distinguished mainstream members have embraced the rhetoric and tactics of the extremes…. The problem is not that Republican leaders should have begun to condemn Trump last year, it is that they should have condemned the ideas and tactics that led to his rise when they began to flourish in the last century.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: I wonder what book he lifted that from. Now comparing American voters peacefully, participating in democracy to beheaders -- sucks. But maybe in Fareed's head, he meant the comparison as the criticism of ISIS.
The blaming conservatism for Trump also makes no sense because Trump isn't an ideological conservative. If anything his past beliefs are closer to Fareed's. Trump succeeds by cross-dressing across belief.

I also don't recall Fareed worrying about strident movements born from the left. Like occupy Wall Street, the new black panthers, the intolerance mob currently on campus shutting down free speech. Would he ever say the same thing about Sanders' groupies who drool over a socialist? Fareed ignores harmful beliefs, instead to bash scary words.

And one could call Fareed's rhetoric, scarier. Comparing American voters to Islamists? Shut up. I have my criticisms of Trump. Criticism is my thing. The right who now embrace a centrist Trump, seek a safe space for assessment? That bugs me. But that's not Islamic extremist. It's a mirror of the intolerance movement of the modern left. It's a mirror that Fareed refuses to look at.

But you know the thing is, Dana, it's a reflex in all of us to compare something we don't like to something worse. It's like, we kind of all do that, but then we think twice and we go, that's not fair, correct?

PERINO: Well, ISIS is the new Nazi, OK?

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: And what he is doing there is watering down the argument about good versus evil.

GUTFELD: Aha.

PERINO: If you cannot see the difference, you might not like republican politics or conservative politics or whatever it is now that we are apparently headed toward. But believe me, what he just said is definitely going around the cocktail circuit. This is what is being repeated in campuses all across the country. This is what polite -- what you can say in polite company at dinner tables, whispered about those evil Republicans, that they're just like ISIS. It's absurd, and it doesn't help anybody, especially I really don't think it helps President Obama or Hillary Clinton, actually, which is presumably who he would want to support.

GUTFELD: Maybe he said it is because he's scared.

BOLLING: Well, I think that's exactly. Won't blame Donald Trump for Donald Trump. He wants to blame what he calls conservative leaders for the rise of Donald Trump and the rhetoric. Blame Trump if you don't have a problem with Trump. Right? Or what is he? Afraid he's going to, you know, call you out? Or do what you did to him?

I'm not really sure what the point was there. And let me see if I make this leap. So he's blaming conservative leaders; therefore, blaming conservatives for the rise of Donald Trump and the stepping up of rhetoric which is going to lead to Islamic extremism? Haven't we heard this before from time and time again? That the right causes Islam? Didn't Obama say that some far-right groups are the reason for the rise in Islamic extremism?

GUILFOYLE: The rise of it. He's not doing enough to stop it, so of course, it's growing exponentially, because we're in stand-down mode. So there you go. So put someone else in the White House, and we'll wrap this up.

GUTFELD: Juan, you have a look of perplexing confusion.

WILLIAMS: I'm listening. I'm listening very carefully, but I've heard this argument from people -- you know, Louis C.K., the comedian, has come out and said things, you know, about Trump being extreme.

GUTFELD: That's where I get my political ideas.

WILLIAMS: Well, I'm just saying, Dana said it's polite; it's conversation in polite leftist parlors.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: I think it goes way beyond that. You know, I think people think that, when you don't say something about the birther argument which came from Trump, when you don't say something about condemning the man in very negative tones as a Muslim. He's been lying to us. He's not a -- he's not a Christian.

And then you say, "Well, you know what? In the talk radio world, we'll just say this. It's just Obama, you know? We'll demonize him. That then when Trump springs up and becomes your leading Republican candidate, I think other Republicans do have some response.

GUTFELD: OK. But see, your point that you're making, you didn't have to use the metaphor of radical Islam. Your point is actually, yes, you can say that. The rhetoric from cable -- cable news and from the rhetoric from talk radio could have contributed to the creation of Trump. Yes, makes sense. Maybe. But comparing it to radical Islam, the rise of -- that's where you lose me.

WILLIAMS: Well, and this is where you lose people on the Hitler analogy, right? That Hitler killed thousands of people and the Islamists are killing thousands of people. I don't see Donald Trump doing that. Now, we have an immediate over.

GUILFOYLE: Whoa! Thank God. A reason of reason and sanity. Thank God.

WILLIAMS: We have a controversy on the table right now. I think there are lots in the Jewish community who did not like Trump raising his hand and having everybody else in the audience raise their hands. And they -- I'm just saying, I'm reading this in the forward and elsewhere. They compare it to a -- you know, a kind of Hitler salute.

GUTFELD: All right. All right. By the way, Erin Andrews is therefore also a Nazi, because she had to raise her right hand when she swore into her big lawsuit.

WILLIAMS: I'll laugh with you, Eric.

BOLLING: Is she a Nazi for doing that?

WILLIAMS: Eric, I'm laughing but there's a serious conversation.

GUILFOYLE: I know, but really? What are you saying? That Trump is like Hitler and doing Nazi signs?

GUTFELD: We have to move on. We have "The Fastest Seven."

GUILFOYLE: This is ridiculous.

GUTFELD: ... which means we need seven minutes.

GUILFOYLE: This is, like, so stupid.

GUTFELD: All right. Kimberly, enough.

GUILFOYLE: I can't.

GUTFELD: Go sit -- go sit upstairs!

All right. Up next, Clinton supporters have a surprising theory on why they think their candidate's trustworthiness numbers are down. The Hillary blame game is next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WILLIAMS: Trust. It's been a huge issue for Hillary Clinton during her presidential campaign, but don't blame Hillary: it's not her fault. It's our fault here at FOX News. Take a listen to what former Michigan governor and campaign supporter Jennifer Granholm said when asked about Clinton's poor poll numbers on the honesty issue.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JENNIFER GRANHOLM (D), FORMER GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN: This notion of her being untrustworthy, et cetera. They will continue to put millions of dollars -- and I just hope Democrats are not influenced by that.

And I think that when -- you know, FOX -- FOX is the biggest purveyor of that myth. And I think that we've got to be careful on our side not to buy into what the Republicans want us to buy into.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Well, I mean, but just...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAMS: Wow! Wow! Where do I start? Gregory, I mean, the numbers, the poll numbers would indicate it's an issue.

GUTFELD: Four in ten Democrats say Hillary is dishonest. I think that's rather low. That means 60 percent think she's honest. I want to get a mailing list of those people for my multi-level marketing scheme, because they truly are gullible. Blaming FNC for Hillary's trust issue is like blaming CNN for Trump Steaks. It's a complete non-sequitur. It's idiotic.
They're just whining.

WILLIAMS: All right. So I'm going to put Dana on the spot. Dana, if I am a Hillary Clinton supporter and I say, "But FOX does play up the issue.
The issue may be real, but FOX hammers Hillary on this honesty issue."

PERINO: FOX knows what news is and therefore does the news story that nobody else is doing. I think that's good.

But it's not just Republican that think that or people that are watching FOX. In the exit polls that we have been analyzing over these last few weeks, Juan, the Bernie Sanders voters, it's almost about 78 percent of Bernie Sanders voters say that she is not honest. So it's not just a Republican thing.

WILLIAMS: Eric, how do you feel?

BOLLING: FBI. FOX has nothing to do with the FBI, right? They're the once investigating Hillary Clinton.

WILLIAMS: Well, no, they're investigating the use of her server.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

BOLLING: Because we suggested it, though, right?

WILLIAMS: No.

BOLLING: OK. So Jennifer Granholm, to her credit, is one of the most liberal people on the planet. Kimberly, remember when she spoke at the
2012 convention, when you listened to her, it was like, "Where is she coming from with this?" But to blame FOX for Hillary Clinton's trust issues is a joke.

WILLIAMS: What do you think, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: I mean, obviously, it's ludicrous. Right? We get that. I mean, obviously, it has nothing to do with that she's the one that has these problems. There's a real criminal investigation that's about her, Juan. So quit trying to sanitize it. You're like the new Mr. Clean.

WILLIAMS: I'm all for -- I'm all for the fact there's an investigation.

GUILFOYLE: A criminal investigation.

WILLIAMS: It's not at her. That's all I'm saying.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know, Juan.

GUTFELD: ... criminal, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Tell me.

GUTFELD: Everybody keeps talking about the gender gap, about how, like, the Democrats have all these women. She has no men. And why is that? Why is it that there's no men? That the Democrats are now losing men to the Republican Party?

It's because it's the only group that they don't -- it's the only identity group that she leaves out, are men. She doesn't care about men's concerns.
And it's a sin of omission. And I think that's actually hurting her more than anything.

WILLIAMS: I'll tell you -- I'm going to tell you my perception, which was influenced last night by what happened on "Special Report," where you had Sanders for half an hour and then Hillary Clinton. I thought, in fact, for the first time as a Democrat, you heard them pressed on some key issues that Democrats wanted answers like the abortion. Like the abortion question, right? I don't think that's necessary -- you can say they asked them that question to embarrass them. I think you know what? People want to know the answers, so you answer the question. You know, I mean, Bret Baier asks the question. He doesn't answer the question. But I think it was very...

GUILFOYLE: He did an outstanding job. That was fantastic, and they should be encouraged by that, to see how well they were treated fairly with intelligent questions. And don't shy away from it. Come on here. We have all the viewers.

GUTFELD: It was OK.

GUILFOYLE: Well, you know.

WILLIAMS: By the way -- by the way, he also pressed her on the email stuff, on the FBI stuff. She had her own explanation. But again, I don't think that's the fact that you have political antagonist questions. I just think that's Hillary's issue.

Stay tuned, because "The Fastest Seven" is coming right at you.

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BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...

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GRAPHIC: Fastest 7

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BOLLING: ... a legitimate "Fastest Seven Minutes on Television." Three enticing stories, seven ephemeral minutes, one enigmatic host.

First up, Caitlyn Jenner debuted a new season of her show, "I Am Cait," and got right into presidential politics. Jenner, a longtime Republican, had this to say about one Hillary Rodham Clinton.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are those things, you're open to?

CAITLYN JENNER, REALITY TV STAR: I know. I know. We need both sides.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. We need both sides.

JENNER: And we're unfortunate enough to get Hillary as our next president, we need her on our side.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.

JENNER: She won't be. She could care less about women. She cares about herself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Which Republican candidate do you think will be most supportive of transgender people?

JENNER: All of them.

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BOLLING: Jenner also defended Republicans, saying they don't hate trans people or gays and that their focus is on the economy, Greg.

GUTFELD: I've said before she should run as the first transpres. Or as the V.P. on the Republican ticket. Imagine if she were on with Trump and you combined it, the reality show audiences together. Make America Cait again. How does that work? How could you not vote for that ticket? It would be amazing.

BOLLING: Several boxes would be checked.

GUTFELD: That's true.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on Jenner being a Republican.

PERINO: I think she is speaking her mind, but I think she should be aware that the women's magazines are going to have to make a choice. And when it comes down to Hillary Clinton or Caitlyn Jenner, believe me, the cover stories for Caitlyn Jenner will dry up like that.

BOLLING: Why is Caitlyn Jenner not a Democrat? Why is she so solidly on the conservative side, the Republican side, Juan?

WILLIAMS: She's rich.

BOLLING: Oh! Cares about -- cares about taxes, the economy.

WILLIAMS: Yes, apparently. That's all she cares -- but I don't...

PERINO: People -- moderates (ph) can't be conservative?

WILLIAMS: I'm just listening here. I'm thinking what about social conservatives? I don't think social conservatives are all that hot about Caitlyn Jenner. Why are we listening to her?

BOLLING: Because she said Republicans aren't anti-transgender.

GUILFOYLE: And that's true; 100 percent correct, Caitlyn. So fine. Speak your mind. Say what you want. It doesn't have to be about the dollars.
This is maybe what she actually believes. She may have changed her gender.
She didn't reassign her politics.

BOLLING: There you go. Stay right there, K.G.

Last night, during her show, a Tennessee jury awarded Erin Andrews, a FOX Sports commentator, $55 million in a stalker case. Andrews was looking for
75 large, but I'm sure she's going to be happy with 55 million smackeroos -
- K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Mine aren't -- mine aren't any good.

BOLLING: Twenty-eight from the stalker. He probably doesn't have $28 million.

GUILFOYLE: Obviously not, but I guess it's symbolic. What I like is the message that says that, like, stalking doesn't pay. All of you out there know who you are. OK? Mine aren't any good.

WILLIAMS: I got -- I got in trouble today, because I just -- I don't understand this decision. I mean, obviously, she was embarrassed, humiliated. But that much money? But then everybody said to me at the table, mostly women, that I was insensitive.

And then I read in The New York Daily News that says here this guy got choked to death. He got 5 million bucks. Another guy gets killed. He gets 5 million bucks. She got $55. She's alive.

GUILFOYLE: Well, if he's killed, he's not, like, enjoying it.

WILLIAMS: But his family.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on Erin.

PERINO: I would say this is the justice system at work. This was a jury that made this decision. It wasn't an arbitrary decision. And I'm not -- I don't want to make fun of her for asking for that kind of money.
Obviously, she's distraught. You see here she's had a really tough time and the jury decided.

So I guess one of the things that you keep in mind is that, you know, Nashville juries are going to side with plaintiffs if the evidence presents itself and the reward big.

BOLLING: Greg, where are you on this?

GUTFELD: Obviously, I have to -- I -- obviously, this was a horrible thing that happened to her. But you can hear the "but" coming. In context, airlines in America give maybe $70,000 to each victim's families of a crash. Seventy thousand dollars when you lose a parent or a child in a plane crash.

PERINO: Terrible.

GUTFELD: That's the context that I think about when I hear this.

BOLLING: OK. This one. Finally, my pal Geraldo Rivera -- yes, the same one who foolishly wanted to go outside with me and fight a couple times -- made a big announcement on "GMA." Here's my caliente colleague.

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GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC: He's won an Emmy. He's won a Peabody. But he did get his start here on "GMA."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's right. It is Geraldo Rivera and his partner, Edyta Sliwinska!

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GUILFOYLE: Terrible.

BOLLING: This all means, does this represent a prediction about the outcome. But Geraldo showed me some of his moves last week in "The O'Reilly Factor" green room. He's not too bad, actually, in all sincerity.
Good luck to my friend, Geraldo here.

GUILFOYLE: I think he's going to be fantastic. I'm super excited to watch him. If you know Geraldo like we all do, he puts his heart one hundred percent into everything. I predict he will be in, like, the last two final standing. Watch and wait for it.

BOLLING: Greg.

GUTFELD: I just have one question. Why? If you're Geraldo, why are you doing a reality show? Haven't you had enough? I mean, four decades.

I make this pledge. I will never do a reality show ever, unless it's "Naked Taxes." That's where they come and do your taxes naked. It's an idea that I'm trying to present that to Hollywood.

BOLLING: Juan.

GUILFOYLE: I don't want to see my accountant do my taxes naked.

WILLIAMS: This is bad news for black people: I can't dance. I'm a terrible dancer. In fact, my daughter got married. You know, you're supposed to have the first dance. And so do you know who Bill Kristol is?
Kristol comes back to me and says, "I thought you were black. Aren't you supposed to be able to dance?"

BOLLING: I'm going to go on record guessing that Kristol can't dance either.

WILLIAMS: I didn't see him actually...

GUILFOYLE: Tucker Carlson was on this. Carlson, he represented.

BOLLING: Dana.

PERINO: As I understand it, this show is a lot of work.

GUILFOYLE: A lot of work.

PERINO: And a lot of exercise, and you work hours a day. And if we know anything about Geraldo, is that he's a workhorse. So I imagine that he's going to at least have a few good showings.

BOLLING: And his shirt will be off.

GUTFELD: You know it's coming off in the first episode.

GUILFOYLE: I think it's going to be very fun.

BOLLING: All right, guys.

GUILFOYLE: I'm happy for him.

BOLLING: "One More Thing."

GUTFELD: I'm not happy.

GUILFOYLE: We know.

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GUILFOYLE: OK. Time now for "One More Thing" -- Eric.

BOLLING: So you know how we -- I talk about a lot about law enforcement officers? What they have to go through, and they have more risk in a day than we'll go through, most of us, in a lifetime?

Officer Brad Gentry from Battle Creek, Michigan, police department, pulled a car over for a routine traffic stop. Watch what happens.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's up, man?

(GUNFIRE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's on fire.

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BOLLING: They went on. He went on to catch that criminal who ditched his car, ran into a house. I think it was his mother's house. They caught him, put him under arrest.

But every single day, these people run the risk of being shot. That officer may not have come home to his wife and kids tonight...

GUILFOYLE: Unbelievable.

BOLLING: Sorry, that was Saturday night -- had he not ducked out of the way of that. So hats off to law enforcement.

GUILFOYLE: I wonder if that suspect has warrants. Try and remember what happens.

OK, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, it's a sad day here at the "The Five." It's time to say goodbye to two of our brightest stars, Brooke Halsey and Stephanie Wheeler. They're moving on to do great things in their young careers.

So last night I took them to dinner at Oceana, my favorite restaurant in Manhattan. And guess what? There's Chef Ben Pollinger. But flashes of flames ensued because Chef Pollinger made us my favorite dessert. Bananas Foster. And Stephanie, Brooke and I got to stand in the kitchen and learn how he works his magic.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. I love Bananas Foster.

PERINO: Juan, that was so nice of you.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it was so much fun, because you know, I've got to tell you. I once had Bananas Foster in Atlanta. They don't...

PERINO: Where are the pictures with the girls?

GUILFOYLE: Yes! There are only pictures of Juan in there.

BOLLING: What, are you Geraldo?

PERINO: There's no pictures of Brooke...

GUILFOYLE: No pictures of Stephanie and Brooke.

WILLIAMS: I asked them if they wanted their pictures, and they said no.
They did not want their pictures on TV. But I've got to tell you: They like Bananas Foster.

GUILFOYLE: I like Bananas Foster. And I like bananas on my pancakes.
Bananas -- I'm doing my "One More Thing."

GUTFELD: Bananas Foster was a hobo in my neighborhood.

GUILFOYLE: Hey! Silencio, por favor.

Yes, yes, yes. Give me the "Food Court."

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GRAPHIC: Kimberly's Food Court

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GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. I love it. OK. So this reminds me of the mall.
Good times, good times with Orange Julius.

Today is National Pancake Day. I've been forward to this since the beginning of this show. So I've already prepared part of this. I had a little bit of, like, powdered sugar with some butter. And then what you do, Juan -- this is how I do my little pancake, slam bang. A little bit of, like, Smuckers breakfast syrups, quite tasty. It lasts for about five years when you put it in the frig. And then you just feast on it. And no matter what problems or biorhythms (ph) at the table, it can't get you down.

WILLIAMS: Oh, man. It should be Sunday morning.

GUILFOYLE: Mmm, mmm, mmm.

WILLIAMS: Delicious!

BOLLING: What are you doing tonight at 11?

GUILFOYLE: "Hannity."

BOLLING: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: That's why I've got to feast on this. Although I was going to start no carbs today. It didn't work out. Right?

Greg.

GUTFELD: All right. It's time for...

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GUTFELD: Greg's Celebrity Corner.

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GUTFELD: There are a lot of people that have been wondering, since his MSNBC gig ended, what happened to Alec Baldwin? Had a brief TV program there. But there have been some sightings of him. And we can take a look here. This is in Cancun. He's relaxing.

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(SQUID ON THE FOOD)

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GUTFELD: He's been trying to take in some sun, reading some books with his one giant eye. And we just hope he comes back. We'd love to have him on "The Five" if he ever can kind of get back.

And by the way, that is not an octopod. That was found in Necker (ph) Island in Necker (ph) Ridge.

GUILFOYLE: I think it has another eyeball. I think I saw it.

GUTFELD: We don't know that for sure.

GUILFOYLE: Amazing. Dana.

PERINO: I wanted to it bring it to every one's attention. An internal debate at the White House in the administration about whether ISIS's attacks against Christians is a genocide? There's a haggling over at the State Department about what a hate crime is. Congress asked for the administration to make a determination by March 17. That's coming up next week. I think it's time that we did what the pope and NAE (ph) have done.
It's a genocide.

GUILFOYLE: At midnight eastern, "The Five" live. You need to check it out.

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