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Carl Cameron on the significance of Super Tuesday

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 1, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Super Tuesday has arrived and in a few hours, we may have a much clearer picture of how this presidential election will shake out. Candidates on both parties are vying for a delegate bonanza today; 865 on the democratic side, 595 for republican. We begin tonight with the GOP race, 11 states are in play. The first polls close in two hours from now in Georgia, Vermont and Virginia. We kick off our Super Tuesday coverage with the one and only campaign, Carl, in a very tough location assignment of Palm Beach, Florida. Carl, we were just saying that this day, Super Tuesday is like your birthday, and Christmas, and Thanksgiving all rolled into one. It's like your favorite, except for Election Day.

CARL CAMERON, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: It is the most consequential part of the primary process. The nominating race on Super Tuesday has been decided more often than not in the Republican Party on Super Tuesday. And if history holds and the polls are right, Donald Trump is looking at a pretty good evening, this evening. We're at his Mar-a Lago resort and casino, works with me, resort and golf club where he'll be having a press conference tonight, but not a normal rally. We're not gonna see the screaming crowds and the big jumbo on TV screens. This is going to be a much more quiet affair with Mr. Trump and the press, press conference around 9:00. That's it. He is here in Florida, specifically to make it clear. He wants to win here, beating Marco Rubio, the Florida senator. Just as he has said he wants to win in Ohio and do the same thing to John Kasich. Those two states are winner take all on the 15th, two weeks from tonight. And tonight, of course, it's almost half of the delegates to clinch the nomination, so you can't get really any bigger than this on the entire calendar hereafter.

PERINO: All right. We were going to take it around the table here, so be prepared. We're gonna save Gutfeld for last. So get ready for that. I'll start with Eric Bolling.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hey, Carl, Super Tuesday, super exciting.

CAMERON: Hi, Eric.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: So this press conference, it is important to note that it is a press conference, not just a campaign event.

CAMERON: Yeah.

BOLLING: He announced it yesterday. I know a lot of people are speculating what he is going to say. But let's hear from you. Have you heard anything? What do you think he's going to say? And will it depend on some of the results tonight?

CAMERON: Yeah. This is -- he will address the night's results. And the Trump campaign is expecting that the results are going to be very much tilted in Mr. Trump's favor. They concede that Ted Cruz could and in some of their views should win Texas, because it is his home state. But beyond that, Trump is looking to pull up W's in just about every other state. And here in Florida, the point he is trying to make is that he is coming up to the next two candidates. If Cruz wins Texas and gets a bunch of second places, that could keep him in the delegate hunt. But one of the two, out of Cruz and Rubio are likely to take a hit tonight.

PERINO: All right. Juan Williams.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Hey, Carl, quite a day for the Republican Party, the speaker of house Paul Ryan going at Donald Trump. And it is not just Paul Ryan. You see people across the board now seemingly in alarm at the idea that Donald Trump will be the republican standard bearer. What are you hearing from the Trump camp on this front?

CAMERON: They're concentrating on winning primaries. But realistically, when you have the senate majority leader and the speaker of the house both decrying some of the rhetoric, it's also a big illustration of the concern in Washington, the down ballot candidates. Whether it's for the senate or the house, or even governors for that matter, might have their brands tarnished by some of rhetoric, and some of the controversies of Trump's brands. Juan.

WILLIAMS: Well, it's interesting because I was shocked when I saw it. Just to pick up on your point that John Cornyn in the Senate was saying that, you know, senate candidate, senate republican candidates might run ads against Trump.

BOLLING: How about Ben Sasse, he wouldn't even vote for Trump if he were the nominee.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

BOLLING: Senator Ben Sasse.

(CROSSTALK) CAMERON: Right.

BOLLING: Literally, Carl, at some point you got together and.

CAMERON: It's worth --

BOLLING: Say it's about the ABC's, anyone but Clinton.

CAMERON: Well -- Eric, and Jeff Sessions, the senator from Alabama who endorsed Trump on Sunday in Huntsville, was quick to say that Donald should clear the air and speak clearly on this issue and get it behind him. Because when it come to white supremacy and racial politics, it is not good to straddle anything.

PERINO: All right, KG.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: OK, I think -- he thinks that he has answered that and disavowed, and he is trying to focus on getting primary states, but perhaps it is still necessary. What do you think about the other two camps now? Because even Cruz calling for a kind of like a consolidation against Trump. I mean, are they worried about the momentum, given the fact that they've not been getting very much press? What's been going on with the back and forth between Trump and Rubio?

CAMERON: Well, Rubio definitely sort of, took the spotlight from Cruz and Trump over the course of the weekend with some real haymakers in terms of the name calling battle. Cruz was actually calling for consolidations, as was Rubio after the Nevada caucuses, saying that we've got to do something now. Trump's got serious momentum in hopes of trying to stop him from, essentially running the table with the exemption of taxes tonight. The other thing is the proportion of -- the way which one can qualify to get proportionally allocated delegate in some of these states is kind of a high hurdle. So it's possible that it won't necessarily be a 1-2-3. It may just be a one and getting all the delegates, even though they will be otherwise proportionally allocated. If the winner's margin were not as big as it could be given the polls we've been seeing.

PERINO: All right. It's the moment we've all been waiting for.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: You build it all up and it means nothing.

PERINO: Are you gonna disappoint us?

GUTFELD: Yes. Carl, let's assume that Donald Trump has a great night. And maybe I have to start thinking about the hurdles that come with the general election. I'm speaking primarily of how -- how is he going to deal with the Hispanic vote and speak to that group, to their aspirations, not about fear. Do you think it is time for Trump to have a, come (inaudible) to moment?

(LAUGHTER)

CAMERON: That's a good one, Greg.

(LAUGHTER)

CAMERON: I'm too tired, man. You gonna get me punchy. We've been doing (inaudible) all nighters for the last four days for this Super Tuesday.

GUTFELD: Can I ask you now the question then?

CAMERON: He's -- no, but listen. The news conference is going to serve that purpose. He's going to be asked these questions. One of the things that Trump is known for is, OK, you got spit balls? Go ahead and throw them. And he'll smack them right back at you. So good -- he's gonna be asked about whether or not his belated -- sort of disavowed of David Duke was a mistake or whether it was a dog whistle. That's going to get post tonight as will other questions. Now if he just come out and gives a statement to the press about, hey, I just won the nomination for all intents and purposes, then the numbers will have indicated that he had an astronomically good night.

PERINO: Do you want another question --

GUTFELD: Well, there's a lot -- there seems to be the reoccurring theme as of everyone saying, a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary. Are you hearing that a lot out there from -- I mean, we are hearing it from Rubio, hearing from Cruz, you're hearing it from anybody who is anti-Trump?

CAMERON: Well, sure. I mean, what -- the republican who are not Donald Trump in this race, with the exception of Ben Carson who will do just about anything to try to bring Trump down. Ben Carson, by the way, has call for all the candidates to have a meeting -- private meeting to talk about how to get along better and not to insult one another and cut each other ribbons in front of the national press or the electorate, before the debate in Detroit tomorrow night. So most of the candidates haven't responded to it, some of it were even aware that the invitation had been made. But -- yeah, of course it matters.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: Can I -- that was going to be my question about Carson, but you're so efficient, you answered it already. Let me ask you about Texas because, have you heard anything coming out of there? Because the polls were mixed, I guess you could -- Cruz looked like he had some --

CAMERON: Sure.

PERINO: . home state advantage. And could he pull off an upset there against Trump?

CAMERON: But you know this, Dana, one of the set of rules of (inaudible) president to politics is, get the governor because the governors tends to have the best, and most active, and complete organization in any given state.

PERINO: Yeah.

CAMERON: Greg Abbott with Ted Cruz -- Greg Abbott and Ted Cruz are -- have just had elections. So they're very strong and very confident. In fact, Trump's campaign has sort of acknowledged that it's not so much whether or not Cruz will win, but whether or not he can win by a margin enough that can still put sort of some more blood back in his veins (ph). Because the Cruz -- the Trump campaign thinks that Cruz is toast tonight. Even with the win, they think they will gonna -- beat him by such a large margin of delegate numbers.

PERINO: All right, Eric Bolling -- around.

BOLLING: Yeah. Again, I've been doing these numbers. And just for a long time I've said, if someone were to want amount the real serious threat to Donald Trump, they would have had to done it prior to Super Tuesday. One of them or all of them will have to drop out with the exception of a, either Cruz or Rubio, neither one decided to do that, so they're going into it. If Ted Cruz wins Texas and he wins by a wide margin, he'll have one, two states -- he may even have more votes than Donald Trump, up until the rest states declare their -- who the winners tonight. So there's a case to be made for a Ted Cruz going up at Donald Trump. But if a Marco Rubio doesn't win a single state, it just doesn't seem there's a case. I mean, let's do it. Let's be honest Carl, whoever it is would have to -- they have some massive unheard of comeback in the most likely one that possibly can do it with the 5 or 10 percent chance will be Cruz.

GUILFOYLE: Interesting.

CAMERON: Sure. And where Donald Trump is expected to win or has an advantage tonight, Ted Cruz is likely to come in second. And across the board, Rubio is likely to come in third. He's made a big strong play for Virginia, particularly in Northern Virginia where there's a lot of the suburban, more wealthy, and sometimes more educated voters that he has been sort of targeting across the country on Super Tuesday. That's where he thinks his big bank of votes will be, so he thinks he's got a shot in Virginia. But that's really the only state that Rubio has been particularly optimistic about.

PERINO: All right. We got two more questions, first from Juan, then KG.

WILLIAMS: Hey Carl, I always think of the south as, you know, the home region for the Republican Party. And tonight, the idea that Donald Trump would dominate, and that the evangelical vote would not go to Cruz, would have long anticipated, getting that evangelical vote, but instead that vote would go to Trump. I'm in amazement. I'm really. I'm not that -- I'm wondering, what are you thinking? What are you hearing from insiders?

CAMERON: Well, I mean, there's two ways to put this. You can go all the way back to -- in 1998, when the republicans lost the House majority that they had for the first time in 60 years. And that they've been focused, pretty much ever since on the House getting -- getting and keeping the House majority which is to say in the last eight years, the Tea Party, evangelicals sort of reemerging since the 2012 election, and the anger that the party has embraced, as the system has now turned in with all the lawmakers who have sort of joined that. Mitch McConnell and John Boehner were not late when it came to recognizing the Tea Party wave in 2009 and 2010, and made friends. Orrin Hatch was another one of the senators who very, very quickly realized, it's time for all of us to get Tea Party. And that anger now has got a new team captain. And Donald Trump, Donald Trump's, you know, he is hitting homeruns.

PERINO: All right, the last question of mine, good friend Kimberly Guilfoyle.

GUILFOYLE: Well, thank you, Dana. So Carl -- oh. What do you think? Any surprises we can expect tonight? Because I'm trying to see if there is any way that there is a path for Rubio or Cruz, given just, you know the sheer math and force momentum of it that we're likely to see tonight?

CAMERON: Yeah, we sound like real doom and gloom for those guys.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

CAMERON: But the truth is all of the campaigns that aren't Trump, and he is actually aware of it and his people has been discussing it too, is that some of these candidates have said or their campaigns have said, come what may, we'll gonna go all the way to the convention. Sometimes it's been whispered, sometime it's been, you know, in print and quotable. But that's beginning to be what the republican establishment thinks is going to be the most likely way, if it is that all possible to stop it.

PERINO: All right. Thanks, Carl. We appreciate it so much. Stay tuned because there's much more to come this Super Tuesday. Next, Greg has an interesting twist on today's pending result. You won't want to miss that.

GUTFELD: Do I?

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: What was that?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: Today is a big day. What America and the world have been waiting for. That's right, Justin Bieber's birthday.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JUSTIN BIEBER, SINGER: I really never thought, you know, get to this level. I never expected any of this, so I definitely feel blessed. I just take it day by day. I try not to take myself too seriously. And I just have fun.

(APPLAUSE)

BIEBER: It's crazy that I have so many fans that will appreciate me that much. It really gives me -- I'm like, I wish that I really could love someone that much.

Just think that there's so much power in being young and stuff like that.

I'm on. Ola. Peace.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Peace indeed. Truly a treasure, he turns 22 today. Just think, in 13 years, he can run for president. I know, I know, he's from Canada. So that's not stopping Ted Cruz. Am I right, Donald? But it's Super Tuesday, with Trump way ahead. I'm thinking, let's just call this thing. Cancel the other primaries and general elections. Just anoint him now. There's a lot of time. And maybe saying that will keep him from suing me.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're going to open up the libel laws. So when they write falsely, we can sue the media and we can get this story corrected and get damages.

I would absolutely work to open up the libel laws. If you write something that's wrong, and at least, knowingly wrong but wrong, a person like me and other people can bring a lawsuits to have it corrected and to get damage.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS HOST: OK.

TRUMP: The press is amazingly dishonest, OK? The press is a real problem in this country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Go after the real enemy, the press. Doesn't Donald realize that's my stick? Last night, Trump told Hannity the two FNC are Steve Hayes and Karl Rove, they should go. Get lost. So did Trump's know they might be ushering in a second boss? One who thinks he can fire you like a mouthy apprentice or reward you with a pat on the head on Twitter? He's like a baseball team owner who also wants to coach, but who also attracts fans, like David Duke, and now anti-semi Louis Farrakhan who also gave Trump odd praise. Now maybe this is not Trump's fault, but he is truly a unifier getting white and black racist leaders to agree on one thing -- him. Not to mention the democrats. A CNN poll shows both Bernie and Hillary beating Trump in the general. Are republicans about to elect a loser? Who knows? But at least we can say it sells great. Then in 2032, we can nominate Justin Bieber and start all over again.

Juan, we were talking about this in the break. You were thinking about this. Trump is gonna be president, he's going to be calling you.

WILLIAMS: Calling --

GUTFELD: Calling you.

WILLIAMS: I think he's gonna call you, you're gone.

GUTFELD: Yeah, I'm done. I'm done.

WILLIAMS: You're out. You're out.

GUTFELD: I'm back to doing magazines.

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: But I'm very interested --

GUILFOYLE: Well, you like getting fired. You keep getting better job.

GUTFELD: I do. I fire up.

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah.

PERINO: Ready to go.

WILLIAMS: Oh, but Eric said to me, Eric said, you can't change the First Amendment. You can't -- you deal way with it.

BOLLING: You can, but you have to amend the constitution, that's not likely going to happen.

WILLIAMS: Right. But --

BOLLING: Anytime, ever.

WILLIAMS: But this idea is that if you write something wrong --

GUTFELD: But you can still sue. Like you -- they're suing Rolling Stone over the false --

PERINO: Yeah.

GUTFELD: Story. You can sue -- that happens. That already happens. You can still sue.

GUILFOYLE: The law is there. Well, I mean, look. Truth is a defense. So if somebody writes something and it's true, you're not gonna be able to prevail and get damages, hear it (ph). So the law --

WILLIAMS: No, but the --

GUILFOYLE: Exist if people write things that defame you or slander you.

WILLIAMS: But even if they're wrong, if it's --

GUILFOYLE: Right.

WILLIAMS: If you absent malice aforethought is, I think is the language, you're still not guilty.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: And if you're a public person -- yeah, if you're a public person, you really, it's hard to go forward with a libel suit.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: Well that's the stand is constitutional cases and laws in effect that protect the First Amendment.

WILLIAMS: But I think Donald wants to make that, lower the bar and start going after people.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: I think it might have been a little bit more rhetorical. Remember, like one of the best things that republicans can do is to go after the press. And don't forget, the press.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's who --

PERINO: . actually has a lower approval rating than even Congress.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: . at like 10 percent. So, I mean, I think -- hopefully, it's a little more rhetorical, but --

GUTFELD: I think --

GUILFOYLE: We talk about it on a weekly basis, mainstream media and what's with you.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: . and the bias coverage and not covering stories, and a few researches for --

PERINO: But you never think --

GUILFOYLE: . that will add up.

PERINO: . to them.

GUTFELD: Yeah. I know -- you know.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

GUTFELD: By the way --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: We have to point out. We often mock President Obama for whining about Fox News. So it's now what Trump is doing? Should we be mocking him for doing the same thing? I know. It is hypocritical if we don't.

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: You're not -- don't look at me.

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: I would say the same thing.

GUTFELD: Do you think -- do you think Eric, that the democrats are right to think that Trump's kind of incendiary remarks help him? It hasn't heard him at all.

BOLLING: But again, and he said this himself, Donald say, "I haven't even begun on Hillary yet."

GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah.

BOLLING: And don't forget there are others candidates who are pulling very well against Trump, early until they started going after Trump. But then he'd fire back and, you know, go do his thing.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: And then they would go down and he would go up. And again, he's focused on one side. She now has a luxury on focusing on Trump.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: This is going to give her a few weeks of just going right at him and maybe expose some of what she's going to be looking at in the general election. He still has, for now, has to focus on Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Personally, I -- again, I think it's down to, you know, he may after tonight start turning it on Hillary and -- another interesting anecdote is a lot of people thought, you know, Marco Rubio may have been a great vice presidential pick for Donald Trump, if he were the nominee. It ain't going to happen anymore.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: To what's going on lately with the hands and the --

PERINO: Chris Christie.

BOLLING: Yeah. But there was -- one thing derogatory personal attacks, the way the two of them --

GUTFELD: I know.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: No, I think it was worse than personal attacks. And then Chris Christie is the one who said, a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary Clinton. I think that's worse --

BOLLING: Yeah, that's not a personal attack on his physical being and things like that.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: They definitely went down into the (inaudible). Because imagine.

PERINO: But the thing is like --

BOLLING: . is to we're to pick someone like that or Ted Cruz calling him a con-artist, or even Rubio calling (inaudible). It would be a very easy political ad to play against the Trump. So you --

GUTFELD: But --

BOLLING: I think they have eliminated that.

GUTFELD: But see, Trump could also look at Marco Rubio and see Rubio making the personal attacks and say therefore, the grace of God go I; the Carly Fiorina face comment, the disabled guy, making fun of a POW suffering. He could look at Marco and go, oh, I like the cut of his jib. He should be VP. He is just as tacky as I am.

WILLIAMS: Wow.

PERINO: I -- no, I don't --

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: It's a good theory.

PERINO: There is a school of thought of late that Marco Rubio shouldn't have gone negative and gone to personal assaults --

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: Insults. But a personal insult was something that everyone -- that entertain everybody for months, leave it up to them. So maybe it doesn't wear well on Marco Rubio. I didn't bother me, because I guess I've been anesthetized to it.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: When it comes on politics, one of the reasons I never ever run, I could never say those kinds of things about someone else, and I would never want to be the target of something like that. I don't think it's necessary. But in this race, I mean, they didn't start it.

GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah.

PERINO: The fire.

GUTFELD: They didn't start the fire to quote Billy Joel?

BOLLING: Yup.

GUTFELD: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: And I quoted enough for this world.

GUILFOYLE: News CNN poll Trump's numbers up. Rubio is up. Cruz is down by 4 percent.

PERINO: So maybe Cruz should start more insults.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Let's see.

GUTFELD: All right.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Next, on the eve of today's vote, America's attorney general spoke to Fox News about Hillary Clinton's e-mail investigation. What she revealed, ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: She can't lock up to nomination tonight, but Hillary Clinton is on target to pull far away from her rival Bernie Sanders, whose campaign could be on life support after today. Even if she wins the nomination, there's still a giant obstacle to her candidacy. The FBI's criminal investigation into her use of a private server while secretary of state. The final batch of her e-mails was released on the eve of the vote yesterday. And our attorney general spoke to Fox News, for the first time, about the probe.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRET BAIER, "SPECIAL REPORT" HOST: Has a grand jury been convened regarding Hillary Clinton's handling of e-mail?

LORETTA LYNCH, UNITED STATES ATTORNEY GENERAL: Well, we don't comment on specifics. This is a matter that is being handled like any other review that we do.

BAIER: Or hasn't Secretary Clinton been interviewed yet?

LYNCH: We don't comment on the particulars of anything.

BAIER: Shouldn't American voters know Hillary Clinton's legal status as they get prepared ahead to the polls?

LYNCH: Well, what they should know, and I hope that they do know is that any case that the Department of Justice looks at is gonna be handled, efficiently, fairly, thoroughly without any kind of artificial deadline on it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK. So they sat down in advance. It's like, because obviously there would be a lot of questioning about it, about whether or not this is going to be handled appropriately, not with political consideration, ideology in mind or legacy in the White House. Dana, how do you see this play?

PERINO: A couple of things. When I saw the interview last night, I thought, what a difference she is -- what a different person and different type of personality she is from Eric Holder, the former attorney general, because he was so caustic and wanted to fight all the time. And I think she is a public servant who is trying to do the right thing.

One of the things I thought was interesting, that the White House is not being consulted. And I think that's important. I hope that is true. I think that's in the best interests for President Obama. It's best interests for Americans, but it's in the best interests, I think, for him.

Because if there is a decision on behalf of the FBI or the Justice Department that the White House not have any sort of fingerprint or thumb on the scale, or any look ahead or heads up that this is coming, where they could -- where they could interfere in any way.

GUILFOYLE: All right. We have that on tape. Let's take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Are officials briefing Josh Earnest?

LORETTA LYNCH, ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES: I can tell you unequivocally that no one outside of DOJ has been briefed on this or any other case. That's not our policy, and it has not happened in this matter.

BAIER: Where do you think he got that information?

LYNCH: I can't speak for Josh. I can't tell you.

BAIER: Anyone else in the White House being briefed?

LYNCH: No one in the White House or anyone outside the department will be briefed on this or any other case. That's not how we do our business.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK. So now on the record, making those statements. Loretta Lynch is. So let's see if that, in fact, jives with what happens, you know, going forward.

BOLLING: Just don't believe it. I mean, I think she's wonderful. I like her. I just don't believe that the White House is not being at least brought up to speed on what's going on with Hillary Clinton, the investigation into whether Hillary Clinton broke the law by having the private e-mail server.

Now, it may not be on the record. It may not be in an e-mail. But Josh Earnest found out about it somehow. And I'm guessing if Josh Earnest found out about it, at some point one of the other senior advisers probably found it. And the president is probably kept in the loop on it. I'm guessing. But maybe not on the record.

WILLIAMS: Well, let me just suggest to you they just picked up The New York Times. The New York Times reporting, I think, in August that she is not the target of any criminal investigation. And then what Josh Earnest repeated, I think, is essentially that -- that same report. But it's comments around...

BOLLING: He's not being briefed whatsoever.

WILLIAMS: He's not being briefed, no, no, by the Justice Department.

BOLLING: And you believe that?

PERINO: I do.

WILLIAMS: I do.

PERINO: And I remember when that report happened. I remember thinking that Josh Earnest is repeating what he's seen reported in The New York Times.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Greg. Do you buy it?

GUTFELD: Do I buy it? You know, who is worse? Hill or Bill? Her actions exposed the country. His actions exposed -- never mind. But unlike Bill, she doesn't want a probe. And the great thing is, if she wins the presidency, she could do a first interview on MSNBC on lockup. It would be great. And orange is her color, I might add.

GUILFOYLE: Why do you do this during my segment?

GUTFELD: What are you talking about?

GUILFOYLE: Then I end up on, like, tape with you. This gets picked up, and it looks like...

GUTFELD: She has a knock on the nomination. She will have a lock on her cell door.

GUILFOYLE: Never a dull moment, right? Keep the faith.

You know what's coming up next, right? "Special Report," right? OK.

Will the GOP...

GUTFELD: Twenty-eight minutes from now.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I know. Thank you; you can do math. Will the GOP unite around Donald Trump if he becomes the nominee? We're going to debate that next.

A quick programming note: At 9 p.m. Eastern, head over to FOXNews.com for the best election analysis anywhere on the web, of all time. A Super Tuesday digital special. You won't want to miss tonight.

We're going to be back in a moment. Miss us.

GUTFELD: Digital.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back to "The Five" on this Super Tuesday. A lot of folks believe tonight is the last dance for Republican candidates who aren't Donald Trump. But Newt Gingrich thinks the end is coming in two weeks from now.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: I have a sense that Trump's opponents are all gathering at the Alamo and hoping for a last stand. Cruz is going to have a good day tomorrow. Rubio could or could not. For example, Rubio might pull off a real surprise in Minnesota in the caucuses.

But Trump will dominate tomorrow. And then the big test will be on the 15th. And if neither Kasich nor Rubio can carry their home state, then it really is pretty much over.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Now Dana, people have been asking Ted Cruz if he'll step down if he doesn't win Texas, and they're also asking Marco Rubio to step aside if he doesn't win Florida.

What do you think of these?

PERINO: I think that it's a hard thing to ask a candidate that the night before Super Tuesday. They've come a long way, and a lot -- especially for Ted Cruz. A lot of people wrote him off at the beginning, saying he could never actually make a play for it. And he ended up with one of the best ground games in the campaign, and he's come this far.

So I think it's just hard to ask somebody than the night before. It's sort of like asking Peyton Manning the night before the Super Bowl, "Are you going to retire tomorrow night if you lose?" It's like let me just play the game, and then I'll make that decision. So I think it's too early.

BOLLING: Too early, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, I think, you know, today was supposed to be Ted Cruz's day. I mean, he had advertised that his power in the south and that the evangelical vote and with Texas, this was going to be Ted Cruz Tuesday. And it's just not -- it doesn't look that way at the moment.

Let me just say, if you're looking at the polls, it looks like Donald Trump's day instead. So the question is tomorrow morning, in deference to exactly the kind of psychological dynamic that Dana was describing, does he say, "Enough's enough"? Or does he say, "No, no, I still think there's a chance"? Or does he see that he can make demands of Donald Trump and the party?

BOLLING: If -- K.G., if -- let's play -- let's game this out a little bit.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

BOLLING: If Marco Rubio doesn't do well in Texas, doesn't hit the 20 percent threshold, he doesn't get any of the delegates. It goes down to Cruz and Trump. And if Cruz does well there, beats Trump by 10 percent -- there's almost 2 million votes, I think, in Texas, Cruz can literally win another state, have more votes than Donald Trump. And then does he make the case that he's the one that's going to take on Donald Trump?

GUILFOYLE: Of course. Yes. He would need to. He would say, "This is the time now. Let's consolidate. Let's get behind the candidate that can -- that is the alternative. Right?

But he's going to have to use his best efforts to try to connect with Rubio to persuade him, to persuade Kasich, to persuade Carson that, indeed, they should all just rally behind them and say, "Hey, let's be realistic about this math. Look at the numbers. Look at the results. I'm the best one to go forward as the alternative candidate.:

BOLLING: Greg, today, Senator Ben Sasse said he would not be able to vote for Donald Trump if he were the nominee. You know, we all -- we talked about this a lot. I would vote for whomever the Republican nominee is against Clinton.

GUILFOYLE: ABC.

BOLLING: ABC, anyone but Clinton. What about the Republican establishment saying, "I can't vote for Donald Trump"?

GUTFELD: It's -- if it -- if you feel that, as a conservative, it is violating your principles, then you have to follow your principles.

I think the problem is it's not about then, in the future. It's about now. It's like the whole process of the primaries was to allow you to figure out who you like and who you don't like. What worries me is when people demand or expect you to get behind somebody when you don't have to yet. And I think we were seeing talking about Trump being No. 1 before there were primaries. Just get on board.

That's -- I think the cult of personality is the thing that people find a real problem with. It's hard to unify behind something that is unknown. I know more about black holes than I do about Donald Trump's ever-changing news. So I don't blame -- like, I don't blame conservatives going, like "Hey, this is something that I believe in. And I don't know what he believes." But that could change. That could change in four months.

BOLLING: We know what Hillary believes. And we know...

GUTFELD: The devil you know.

BOLLING: "The Five" -- 80 percent of this table would say, I think just about anything besides the devil we know.

GUTFELD: Yes. Except, though, I'm not sure. Is Hillary going to be for tariffs, for protectionism? I don't know. The devil you know versus the devil you don't. But again, we're still in primaries. You know what I mean?

BOLLING: Let's do this. If Marco Rubio doesn't do well today, Trump says he needs to get out. Steve Doocy asked earlier if the establishment would want Rubio to go. Here was the answer.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (via phone): Maybe the establishment has to get out too, Steve. I don't know. When you look at what's going on, they've lost two big elections in a row. Big ones. And the last one with Mitt Romney should have been won easily. You know, you're going against a failed president. Obama has done a horrible job; he's been a horrible president. And he was just as bad four years ago, and Mitt Romney should have won that election; and he didn't.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Juan, your thoughts?

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, to me, what's going on here is a little bit like, you know, the Whig Party that disappeared, you know? And the Republican Party is in a civil war right now. And there's any getting away from it. So here I am sitting and watching, and actually you say, you know, "You're a Democrat. So are you enjoying this?"

No. I think, when you see this kind of dysfunction among the Democrats of the Republicans, it impacts the whole country: the way we feel about each other, our ability to speak as one. And in this case, I think there are lots of Republicans who are worried about, does Donald Trump really represent conservatism?

If you think about conservative ideas, conservative principles, the fact that he goes back at George W. over weapons of mass destruction or gets into fights with the pope, and there's no outreach in terms of growth of the party. I think lots of people fear for the future of the party.

BOLLING: Yes. But then again, that CNN poll you just cited has Donald Trump approaching 50 percent of the GOP vote.

GUILFOYLE: All right. So he's continued to need to gain followers and momentum, which is something that people need to realistically look at, especially now. Here we are, Super Tuesday. I mean, think about it. Time has flown by. These are the numbers. These are results. So they have to do some searching in terms of the other campaigns to decide what they're going to do.

Then you also have to bring into play the RNC, which is very important and pivotal in terms of going forward with a general election to marshal resources and their strategies and their databases to get out the vote. You're going to need to have a partnership and a meeting of the minds.

Like Carson saying, perhaps some of these candidates should try to come together to think about the general well-being and health of the party going forward, especially with all this vitriol. Are you, in fact, weakening one another, whoever the eventual nominee will be, by having these kinds of personal attacks, which really only benefits the Democratic Party.

GUTFELD: But the vitriol attacks started with Donald.

GUILFOYLE: I'm not singling out anyone in particular. My point is...

GUTFELD: Fair enough.

GUILFOYLE: ... all of the candidates should think about that, everybody involved.

GUTFELD: Just wanted to point it out. Should have thought about it a while ago, I guess.

BOLLING: Can I ask Dana a process question? So again, Ben Sasse, I think that was an earth-shattering interview he did this morning. I can't believe he was saying some of the things. But he said he was looking for someone else to mount a conservative third -- third person in the race to try and compete if it is Donald Trump. In fact, Donald Trump. What is the -- here's my question. The GOP, has it -- is it bifurcated? Is it broken forever or can it be fixed?

PERINO: I don't know. I mean, at some point, actually, I know that we only have, like, ten seconds. So if I can -- producers, indulge me for half a second.

You can't urge disruption of a party and then not expect some disruption. OK? So you're asking, what some have been asking for is the wholesale destruction of the Republican Party, because they hate it so much. And now they want the people that they hate so much to just swallow the medicine and cast the vote.

And I think it's unreasonable to expect that without saying sort of, like, "Hold on a second. Let me think for a minute. Is this big tent big enough for all of us? Let me think for a second."

It's not that it hasn't been coming for a while, but I do think that Ben Sasse speaks for a lot of people. Don't forget: before there would be a #NeverTrump hashtag, there would have been a #NeverJeb hashtag. And a lot of people would have been on that, and they would have said they would have stuck with it.

So if I were Donald Trump, and I was that much in the lead -- he is so much in the lead he doesn't need to keep hating on the people who are the establishment who he hates so much. Why not try to bring them along and say, "Look, I believe this party is big enough for all of us. I want to hear from you. I want to make a deal" or whatever it might be.

I think that the disruption begets disruption. And we have to be prepared for that and not just expect that everyone's just going to fall in line.

BOLLING: Very good. All right. Well put.

All right. Some final thoughts and predictions on this pivotal election day, Super Tuesday, that's next.

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WILLIAMS: A few hours from now this crazy and unpredictable election season is going to become much clearer as the results from Super Tuesday come in on the FOX News Channel. Some final thoughts now ahead of this big evening.

Eric, you were talking about Ben Sasse. But today, there was even a conference call among Republican governors...

BOLLING: Right, right.

WILLIAMS: ... trying to figure out the effect of Donald Trump. What do you think?

BOLLING: I think the -- the establishment class is finally realizing -- it took until now to realize that this Donald Trump thing went from the summer of Trump to the fall of Trump to Trump, it looks like he's the inevitable nominee now.

GUILFOYLE: Trump Spring?

BOLLING: And it's too little too late. I think tonight, the prediction being, I think you're on the precipice of Donald Trump basically his path being paved. And this is numbers. This isn't opinion. This isn't because I -- this is pure numbers. I put it at 85 percent he's the nominee today. Right now, at 5:51 and at 8:51, I put it at plus 90 percent that he's the nominee.

WILLIAMS: All right. Dana...

BOLLING: Straight by the numbers.

GUILFOYLE: Take it to Vegas.

WILLIAMS: Dana, you know, you're -- you were just speaking with some emotion. Some of our colleagues didn't grant you such respect, but I will. And but for you, if today is the day for Trump, what do you feel?

PERINO: Well, I think that -- I'm actually one of those people that have said, I can do math. Basic math. And that's pretty much what this is. And so if they're -- what I'm looking for tonight when we do special election coverage, is are there any surprises? Surprises that will be interesting, that will be news.

I also am looking at something that David Plouffe, who ran Obama's campaign, said about Hillary Clinton. He said 98 percent likely she wins the general election. He said that her strategy is not going to be -- it will be not so much hope and change as hate and castrate. So buckle up.

GUTFELD: Wow.

WILLIAMS: Kimberly, what do you think of that?

GUILFOYLE: That was uncomfortable. OK. I'm looking forward to the coverage tonight. I want to see what happens. I'm optimistic about the future and about the party and the great minds of people with great values and ideas can come together.

WILLIAMS: Gregory, can you stay up?

GUTFELD: Yes, I will stay up and watch. Definitely.

But for me, it's not -- it's not about being proven right. It's about being right.

GUILFOYLE: My God.

GUTFELD: Like polls don't interest me. If Donald Trump gets the nomination and loses the election, we will have four years to examine how many people on the right abandoned their principles for personality and why did they do that?

WILLIAMS: Tough question.

"One More Thing," up next.

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PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Juan.

WILLIAMS: Leave the light on. Scott Kelly is coming home from outer space. After spending nearly a year on the International Space Station, the NASA astronaut returns to earth tonight.

This morning he posted a picture of his final sunrise, telling his 925,000 followers, "Rise and shine. My last #sunrisefromspace. Then I've got to go."

The 52-year-old is scheduled to touchdown in Kazakhstan at around 11:45 p.m. Eastern. He completed 5,440 laps around the planet. By the time he comes home, he'll have spent 340 days, and this is part of an experiment to see how the human body reacts to extended stays in space.

PERINO: This is a PBS special by Juan. "Juan More Thing."

GUILFOYLE: The whole thing.

BOLLING: They're going to compare the changes in his physiology to his identical twin, Mark Kelly.

GUILFOYLE: Right. That was the whole purpose.

WILLIAMS: I thought -- I didn't want to...

GUILFOYLE: You buried the lead.

PERINO: All right. Gutfeld, you're next.

GUTFELD: Let's just be honest here. How do we know that's actually happening?

BOLLING: Correct.

PERINO: The moon is this big.

GUTFELD: I was talking to Alex Jones. This whole things is a false flag. He's doing this on the stage in the valley.

All right. Four years ago -- four years -- I know. Four years ago, Andrew Breitbart died. I still can't believe it...

WILLIAMS: Wow.

GUTFELD: ... it was that long ago. We all miss you, Andrew. Probably more now than ever.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, true.

BOLLING: I opened up the direct message I had to Andrew Breitbart the day he died. I said, "Dude, where are you? I've heard some bad rumors."

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Literally, yesterday, I did that.

PERINO: I remember that show like it was yesterday. You were here.

All right. Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Who likes puppies? Everybody.

GUTFELD: Not me.

GUILFOYLE: I almost did this. Who likes puppies with braces? My goodness. Look at how cute. This is a puppy from Michigan named Wesley. And it's become a viral sensation, because Harbor Fund Animal Hospital posted the photos of him on their Facebook page. Look at that cute little (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE).

He needed tooth alignment, because he couldn't close his mouth completely. So it's not just, like, cosmetic so he has a gleaming smile and will attract lots of mates. So anyway, you never know. You got to improve your game. But anyway, very cute, and it's had, like, 280,000 views.

PERINO: So cute.

GUILFOYLE: Get the numbers up there.

PERINO: I almost went with that one today. That was a good one.

Eric.

BOLLING: OK. I'll go very quickly, because Dana has a really cool "One More Thing." On Easter weekend, the Friday of Easter weekend, the Rolling Stones announced they will do a free concert in Havana at the Ciudad Deportiva, so the sports stadium there. A free concert. But that's march 25.

March 22, President Obama is going to be in Havana, and guess what happens that day? The Tampa Bay Rays will play the Cuban national team in Havana. And I would love to go to one of those.

PERINO: There's nothing...

BOLLING: Or both.

PERINO: Nothing like sports diplomacy. That is really smart on the Obama administration's part.

OK. My "One More Thing." You like apps, you like to learn something? You have to check this out. It's called History Prep. t was created by a young man named Luke Tierney, John Tierney's son. It's a quiz, and you can go on. I had Karl Rove take one earlier, and he got 9 out of 10, I will say, under Reconstruction.

Do we have time here? OK, pick a category: national history or U.S. government?

BOLLING: Go. Government, government.

PERINO: Government? OK. Clinton -- the Clinton era. What was one result of the Violent Crime, Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994? Crime rate dropped? Police death rates skyrocketed? Crime rates skyrocketed?

GUTFELD: Crime rate dropped, radically.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

PERINO: Correct! Crime rate dropped.

GUTFELD: That's why it's great.

PERINO: It is a great app if you're studying for history. Check it out. It's a lot of fun. You can do that instead of, like, wasting your time with, like, Candy Crush.

Stay with the channel throughout the night for the best election coverage there is. Bret and Megyn are up right away.

GUTFELD: Bret and Megyn.

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