This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 23, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along
with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's
5 O'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
In just under three hours from now, Nevada republicans will begin the
process of deciding who they want to be their party's nominee. The GOP
caucuses start at 8:00 p.m. eastern, 30 delegates are at stake. The polls
of Trump on the cause of third straight win. Last night, he sat down for an
hour with Sean Hannity, and addressed concerns among some of the right that
he is not conservative enough to be the republican nominee.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Ronald Reagan was a liberal -- pretty
liberal democrat and he evolved into a fairly -- can say, he was the most
conservative president, but he evolved into a republican who was fairly
conservative. I will say this. I think that I have very much evolved, but
if you look at my real conservative credentials, and I don't think the
words that are important. You know, they say, "he is not a true
conservative." I know Jeb and others were saying, "He is not a true
TRUMP: Because, you know, and that's when I came up in about two weeks ago,
I said I'm a common sense conservative.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Rubio and Cruz are determined to break Trump's winning streak
tonight. Here's Rubio.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. MARCO RUBIO, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If we nominate someone that half of the
Republican Party hates, we're going to be fighting against each other all
the way until November. We will never win that way. We can't -- I don't
care how much you may think they're funny or how interesting they may
sound, if we nominate someone that 40 to 50 percent of our party doesn't
can't stand, we are going to lose.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: So politics, especially presidential politics, this stage of the
game and the race are about two things; momentum and time. Trump has the
momentum, and time is running out for Cruz and Rubio, and here's why. The
magic number to clinch is 1237. Here's where the candidates stand. So far,
you can see it on the screen right now. But here's how the delegate count
breaks down going forward. Super Tuesday awards 621 delegates, the
following weekend of the 356 delegates. And then, the big date, March 15th,
winner take all states, mostly. And also Florida and Ohio, winner takes all
states, 367 more delegates that day for a grand total of 1344 delegates.
Bitter medicine, but if Cruz and/or Rubio want to make a serious run at
president, one has to drop out before Super Tuesday or the path is paved
for the frontrunner who leads most of the polls of the upcoming states. Now
that part is my opinion right there. KG, if they continue to be a three-man
race, the ones that aren't Donald Trump are going to be splitting a vote.
Now splitting it pretty evenly, will it makes sense for one of them to step
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: This not gonna happen, especially
with those three. And you've got, you know, five people still in it. I
mean, Carson and Kasich are still in it. They're not showing any signs of
dropping out. They want to be in it for the long haul, at least they are
saying that. Let's see what happens, you know, after today. But I think
everybody's got too much invested that still in the game, especially the
first, you know, the top three. Trump, for all intents and purposes, it
looks like he's going to run away with this, tonight. The question is to
become, who's gonna be in second?
BOLLING: Yeah, what do you think about the --
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Let me question your premise.
WILLIAMS: Let me question your premise. Because your question suggested, if
one of them dropped out, then they could consolidate the vote.
WILLIAMS: . the anti-trump vote.
BOLLING: Actually, the premise is that everyone drops out, whether it's
Cruz or Rubio, one of those to drop out. Kasich and Carson, drop out as
WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Right.
WILLIAMS: Right, so you consolidate the anti-Trump forces.
WILLIAMS: . in the party. And what we're seeing so far is much of that
already going to Rubio. We've seen a spate of endorsements recently, most
recently in Nevada today. Dean Heller, the senator going through Rubio. But
we've also seen people like Tim Pawlenty, the former governor of Minnesota.
Bob Dole, the former senator, former presidential candidate.
WILLIAMS: The establishment is all going to Rubio. But again, the premises;
if those to -- if they were to drop out order join forces, they could beat
Trump. But I'm just not convinced.
BOLLING: I think joined forces.
WILLIAMS: . that a lot of those people --
BOLLING: . the one has to step aside.
WILLIAMS: Yeah --
BOLLING: That's the other one being --
WILLIAMS: That means they're joining forces. But I still don't think that
everybody would automatically go against Trump. I think some of those
people would go to Trump.
BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on whether, either one would do it and/or
should do it?
PERINO: Well, I actually think that my opinion on that doesn't matter,
because they're not dropping out before next Tuesday. So, and the other
thing that's interesting in this race is that, remember, there's so much
(inaudible) about how much money was involved in politics, and especially
on the democratic side. So upset about the citizen's united decision by the
Supreme Court that allowed for Super PAC and for corporations to be able to
exercise their First Amendment rights, because then they were -- there
would be so much money in politics. And what we found is that, actually,
that's -- it doesn't matter if you're Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush, and
you've got all the money. This is a very disruptive campaign, but there are
new technologies. Donald Trump, a self-funning billionaire, doesn't have to
spend hardly any money at all, because he's figured out the social media
piece of it. So I don't think that any of them are gonna drop out, because
they don't need to, because they have enough money to keep going.
BOLLING: And one more thought, March 15th, with both Ohio and Florida,
winner take all states. Can you imagine -- I mean, look, if you really want
to make the run against Trump, if he beats the two with Ohio and the Ohio
governor and the senator from Florida in their own states, I mean --
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah.
GUTFELD: That's where they have to get that aggressive. It's gonna be --
just can't. If somebody is not dropping out and somebody has to get
aggressive and start addressing specifics.
I just want to talk about what Trump said last night. I watched the Hannity
event -- what a blood bath. It was amazing. I don't know how Donald Trump
got out of that alive. I was watching it through my fingers. It was --
seriously, just scary. Actually, Sean would -- did a great job. He is nice
to every candidate and he offers an hour to each one. It just so happens
this is before the caucus, and Ronald Reagan. The point about Ronald
Reagan, he was governor in 1967, 13 years before he became president. So he
was a strong conservative for quite a while. We knew what that package was.
He was republican twice. And he had run for president best ran for
president in 1980. So this is a bit different.
The other thing too, is when you're talking about who is conservative and
who isn't, it may not be important because ideology isn't important at this
point. People are looking for strength or for principles. However, one does
have to point out that a conservative is not for bailouts, you know, bank
bailouts or card -- or auto-bailouts. It's not for eminent domain for
parking lots. It's not for terrorists. It's not for trade wars or
protectionism. It doesn't create straw man about mandates. If you're not
for a mandate, you want people to die in the streets.
Conservative might touch entitlements. Trump won't touch that. A
conservative is also, is a champion of temperament. You are a conservative.
You favor the known over the unknown. The good news about this whole thing
is that Trump is not an ideologue. He is not a conservative. He is not a
liberal. He is not anything. What he does like is he likes to be liked. And
if he does become president and he looks at the polls and he changes his
mind on certain things; that is going to make him more likable. He's not --
he may not build that wall. The things that everybody scared of may not
happen because the secret to Trump is he likes being liked.
BOLLING: OK. Let's do this. Ted Cruz's opponents have accused him of dirty
tricks this election, but he maintains he is not the one who is the bad
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SEN. TED CRUZ, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's a very strange dynamic where two of the
candidates in this race, Donald Trump and Marco Rubio. Whenever anyone
points to their actual record, they won't defend their record. They won't
even discuss their record they just scream liar, liar, liar. And both of
them have been engaging in very nasty, very personal attacks relentlessly
and daily. And it is all false.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: OK. What do you say Greg?
GUTFELD: I -- well, I -- it's hard to take Cruz seriously because he has
bear hugged Trump for months. He did not go after Trump at all. He was
Trump's close friend. So now when he's coming out and he's talking -- and
he's trying defend himself, it rings false. And it reminds, Juan, that Cruz
has been an opportunist.
GUTFELD: In many cases, in the Senate. He always looks for the most
attention seeking maneuver -- you know, I think he is in trouble.
BOLLING: But let me also point out, Dana, that he is a great constitutional
conservative, he argued in front of the Supreme Court, on behalf of the
state of Texas for five years; very successfully as well.
PERINO: Extremely. And so, I think again, as we go back to remember that
there were 17 candidates, just even, just a few months ago. And now we only
have five. But there was -- out of those 17, there were several very
qualified people and I put Ted Cruz in that camp. I think one of the things
for him is I heard (inaudible) in last night on Special Report that he was
being pinched from both sides, because both -- Trump and Rubio were hitting
him for the same issue. And so then he had to fire his communications
director and that became a new story and kind of got them off their game a
BOLLING: And he -- when he represented the United States, Texas and 31
states in the Heller decision.
BOLLING: The Second Amendment defense.
WILLIAMS: Right. But I don't know that that makes him such an attractive
candidate. The problem is, look, he is saying Trump is not a conservative.
We heard earlier, Trump say, "I am a common sense conservative." But you
hear from Cruz, "hey, you know what? Remember abortion. Trump has been back
and forth." They say, you know, you talk about eminent domain, Greg. Trump
-- is that a really a conservative position? So I think Cruz sees his whole
right now with the evangelicals, maybe in like, tonight, in the rural parts
of Nevada. But I don't see him coming through here. He has got to convince
some people who are now behind Trump, that really Trump is a fake. Trump is
nothing but a, you know, a blind trust that you're putting your trust into
Trump and his anger and his willingness to say anything. But is he a
republican? Is he a conservative?
BOLLING: Don't trust Trump, trust Jeb.
GUILFOYLE: Guess what, that's not gonna even work. Trusted, I mean, a good
sign, but that doesn't gonna even work. The people that are supporting
Trump, because they want somebody who is like a doer, whose gonna get in
there. Who is not afraid to get their hands dirty, and like, you know, kick
butt, right? That's what they want. It's like bad attitude and willingness
to get after stuff and do it. And then obviously, caring less about
specific conservative like line item, you know issues.
BOLLING: Can I bring up a line item issue right now? That's been the
dividing line between Cruz and Rubio; straight through. They've been going
at it on immigration throughout the election. Last night both burned up
their platforms on the O'Reilly Factor.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CRUZ: Yes, we should deport them. We should build a wall, we should triple
the border patrol, and federal law requires that anyone here illegally
that's apprehended should be deported. That's what I suggest for. We have
law enforcement that looks for people, who are violating the laws.
CRUZ: Both Donald Trump and Marco Rubio would allow those 12 million people
to become U.S. citizens.
RUBIO: The ones that are dangerous criminals. The ones that are violent,
the one who oppose a threat would have mean, immediately deported. And many
others would have to be deported because they don't qualify. They've been
here long enough. What we do with the rest of them is not something we'll
have a debate about until we first secure or border.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: So Dana, do you want to take this one?
BOLLING: This is a rough one to --
PERINO: I feel like immigration is -- everybody is a little bit all over
the map. They want a little of everything, and they trying to be all things
to all people. But remember in that South Carolina vote, just on Saturday -
- three days ago? In the exit polls, 54 percent of people polled in South
Carolina. Republicans said that they were for a path to citizenship for
people who are here illegally. To me is that, it means that this whole
debate, that the cable news and the newspapers focus and these two fight
amongst each other all the time on this that they're kind of missing the
boat, that a comprehensive approach is a good one.
I also saw Ace of Base today make a very good point. If you say you are
going to deport, it doesn't necessarily mean physically picking somebody up
by the scruff of their neck and throwing them on the bus and getting them
out of here, even though that is some imagery that people would might like
The threat of deportation, the worry that you might be deported or a
decline in welfare benefits for people who are here illegally, will
discourage people from coming in the first place. So there is a school of
thought that I think Ted Cruz didn't quite hit the mark last night, but
that is, I think the direction he was headed.
WILLIAMS: But I think, Dana, the key here to understand is that Ted Cruz is
trying to appeal to that hard core conservative base that he feels is
somewhat distracted by Donald Trump. It's not only that he lost the
evangelical vote to Trump, but that he is splitting people who say, I am
self-identified as a true conservative. So he is trying to make the case,
but I think he does it in practical terms. I don't think, to people like
you, the rest us, I suspect people think we're really going to round up 12
million people and throw them out? Is that practical? Can we really do
that? He said, "Oh, yeah. We can do it. We have law enforcement that will
do it." I just think that most folks, when they look at that don't believe
PERINO: Well, that's what I said there was a majority of 54 percent of
people in South Carolina --
PERINO: . republican voters said they were not for that.
GUTFELD: The way Sanders is pulling Hillary to the left on progressive
politics and the politics of inequality Trump has pulled the field to the
anti-immigration point. But the irony of it is Trump might end up being,
when he calls himself a sensitive conservative, less fiery about this than
you actually think.
BOLLING: Can I give last, final thoughts. The conservative moment is
concerned with Rubio at one point being part of the gang of eight which
provided the path way to citizenship. And now, he is saying he doesn't want
it. But look, I'm in the camp that says where are you now? What do you
promise to do when you're a president, rather than what you talked about
four, five years ago?
GUILFOYLE: Well, meaning go on the record. Tell us exactly what you stand
for, so we can sit there and have columns and click down and say, OK, this
is their position is on immigration or on taxes or on the IRS or any of
these host of issues; National security, the military. It's important
because now this is getting really fine tuned. So yes, I'm interested in
what you have to say today and what commitment you're willing to make.
BOLLING: All right. We're going to leave it right there. Stay tuned because
there's much more to come on this republican caucus day in Nevada; Kasich
and Carson are still vowing to stay in the race despite the odds against
them. We'll gonna hear from those two candidates, when "The Five" returns.
GUILFOYLE: Back now on this Election Day, once again, in Nevada. John
Kasich, at this point is an extreme long shot for the nomination. He cannot
afford setbacks. But yesterday, he suffered one and quickly tried to
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GOV. JOHN KASICH, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: How did I get elected? Nobody was. I didn't
have anybody for me. We just got an army of people who -- and many women
who left their kitchens to go out and go door to door and to put yard signs
up for me, all the way back when, you know, things were different.
There is no question, a large part of my career was fueled by women who
decided to join the effort and help me to get elected. And, but you know,
let's be real about this. You know, my campaign manager is a woman. She
used to be my chief of staff. And if I'm president, who knows? She'll have
one of the highest positions in the country.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: OK. So John Kasich obviously campaigned very hard. And people
like him. He's got a tremendous amount of experience, but you know, former
governor of Ohio, the whole deal. So, that being the case, what do you
think about his candidacy and his chances?
GUTFELD: He is sensible. He's a Honda civic. But unfortunately, everybody
right now wants a Humvee. And, you know, that's the way it is. As for the
kitchen remark, everybody, obviously that was just as ridiculous -- it
wasn't his problem -- it wasn't anything wrong with it.
GUILFOYLE: You don't think this will affect his --
GUTFELD: Not at all that -- I mean, he is a good guy. He was a great -- I
mean, he got stuff done in Ohio, but I'm sorry, he's just like he is too
sensible for this day and age.
GUILFOYLE: OK -- Bolling.
BOLLING: It's ridiculous. Hillary Clinton tweeted about that comment.
BOLLING: He did nothing wrong. He said back when I was elected.
BOLLING: . however many years ago that was, 30 years ago.
PERINO: It was in 1978.
BOLLING: Yeah, so 30 something years ago. This is what happened. But he
clarifies it with, things have changed dramatically. Everyone is working
now. You do a phone call to someone's house, no one is --
PERINO: Right, because he was -- he explained in 1978.
PERINO: . he would go to people's kitchen --
PERINO: Kitchen table and sit down and talk about kitchen table issues
about the working class, so --
PERINO: Unfair but --
BOLLING: . on her part -- especially.
PERINO: Oh, and you know that the democrats are gonna glob on to anything
WILLIAMS: Well, let me just tell you --
PERINO: All republican is to beware.
WILLIAMS: I happen -- this is an odd one. I happen to agree with you guys.
But let me say, I don't think it's unfair.
PERINO: At this table?
WILLIAMS: At, whatever --
WILLIAMS: However you want to describe it. But I must say, at the event, a
woman, so I assume a republican woman, stood up and said she didn't like
the fact that he said this.
WILLIAMS: So I don't think that everybody --
PERINO: It is likely Romney said I had binders full of women, and everybody
freak out. What he meant was that he had lots of women's --
GUTFELD: You know binder.
PERINO: . resumes, so that he could figure out if there was any of them
would -- that he would want to hire for positions at the big companies.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, but I just think, you know what, it's a slip of the tongue.
And I don't think he meant anything by it. I think he's --
PERINO: Of course not.
WILLIAMS: . an authentic genuine guy. And so I just -- I mean, I just think
it's not fair to pick on. But let me say, in the business of politics where
Hillary Clinton wants to point out that she's a woman and that republicans
are tough on women's issues, of course she is going to use it.
GUILFOYLE: Look, but he obviously has a tremendous resume, unbelievable
qualifications, Dana. And you know, eye on the prize. Nobody becomes
president unless you take Ohio. So he still kind of, you know, strong
standing. Perhaps, maybe not going to get the nomination, but certainly
qualified to do so, but VP.
PERINO: Look, I think that he -- I don't think anybody running right now
today, that is, that tonight is hoping to get a good showing out of Nevada
is running for vice president. These are all running for president. And
they all say that they have a pass. Even Ben Carson says that he has a pass
to the presidency so I don't necessary think that I will say --
GUILFOYLE: I don't think he is running for that. I think he wants to be
president, but I think he's got to be attractive to a lot of people right
PERINO: Ohio is such an important state for both democrats and republicans.
But republicans, it's a must win. And so, having him at the top of the
ticket or somewhere around and supportive is really important.
BOLLING: Can I just throw this? Ohio, 66 delegates, I mean, we're talking
about 1237 we need to win. I just -- and the problem is that the thing is,
it is winner take all in Ohio.
BOLLING: So if he drops out before Ohio, someone would get 66 delegates.
BOLLING: . they probably would need.
WILLIAMS: You know, it's funny to me was I saw a poll that said Trump is
beating Kasich in Ohio.
PERINO: They're up --
GUILFOYLE: Well, Juan, you've done your research. OK, we're going to skip
what I was going to say. And at a long shot, Ben Carson, I had that
memorized. But thank you, but nevertheless still in the race and doing
GUTFELD: Yes. He is like the guy who graduated from high school who is
hanging out in the parking lot. It's time to go. And I say that because I
like Ben Carson, but you know, you graduated, it move on, write the other
book, you know, go on vacation --
GUILFOYLE: Save more lives.
GUTFELD: Oh yes, exactly. You're a great person.
GUILFOYLE: He's amazing.
GUTFELD: But you just stop taking money from people, right, because you're
not really running.
WILLIAMS: Well, he's not getting all a lot of money right now --
GUILFOYLE: Well, he's not -- he is not stealing it. People are giving it --
GUTFELD: I know.
GUILFOYLE: That's their right, OK.
WILLIAMS: The question is without the money, why are you there, you know?
WILLIAMS: What is the purpose? And he says, don't forget, I think he said
this last night on the air -- tortoise and the harem, he's coming along.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Call your buddy --
GUTFELD: You can't be a tortoise right now. You have to be a hairy hare.
GUILFOYLE: OK. Are there any others? Next --
GUILFOYLE: President Obama -- wanted to shut Gitmo since he took office --
remember that? Well today he unveiled his plans and makes it happen. Should
the Congress let him? That's ahead. Stay with us.
GUTFELD: Today, President Obama announced he's closing Gitmo -- again:
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: When it becomes clear that something is not working as intended, when it does not advance our security, we have to change course.
The detention facility at Guantanamo Bay does not advance our national security. It undermines it. It is counterproductive to our fight against terrorists, because they use it as propaganda in their efforts to recruit.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: You know when you've become so obsessed with one thing that you ignore everything else? It is the mark of a "cat lady": Consumed by felines, she shuns family, hygiene, concerned neighbors.
Gitmo is Obama's pile of cats. He is so obsessed by it, his house stinks. And at the expense of our safety, he'd release high-risk heathens, knowing many head right back out to kill. And it's all based on a myth that bad things done to us are caused by mean things we did first, like Gitmo. As a recruitment tool, it
breeds terror. So I guess Gitmo caused terrorists to invent a time machine to go back to September 11 and attack us? That's crazy. This must make those Americans working at Gitmo feel great. Your president thinks you cause terror. He also says Gitmo undermines our standing in the world. Sorry, Gitmo didn't do that. For that answer, find a West Wing mirror. He also said Gitmo is pricey -- the first time in history that a leftist cares about your money.
But Gitmo shaming give leftists a fake concern without having to judge our enemies -- like say, Cuba. Seriously, of all the bad things in Cuba, what bugs Obama is Gitmo? Forget the four decades of socialist hell, run by murderist leftists, turning every person into a pauper. Yeah, Gitmo is worse. You know Cuba has no freedom of the press. I guess freeing terrorists takes priority. To him, that's closing a chapter on our history. Makes you wonder what book he's been reading.
GUTFELD: I don't even know what I'm implying there.
GUTFELD: So Eric, you know what his whole thing as president, it's not
working so we need to change course. He has used that for every single
BOLLING: Even more egregious is Gitmo undermines our national security.
Terrorists use it as a propaganda tool to recruit. Is there any proof at
GUTFELD: Yeah --
BOLLING: Name one thing. He says, all of -- everyone says --
BOLLING: These things -- just give us some proof.
BOLLING: Next thing -- number, by the numbers. We point out there's what,
95 Gitmo detainees still there, 28.6 percent recidivism, right? That means
only about 25 or more rebuild back into the battlefield.
BOLLING: . and try to kill us again -- great. And the last one, because I
love the money. Here's the basis, he said. He said, "If we close Gitmo,
we'll save $85 million a year." Think about this on two levels. Eighty-
five million dollars a year. How much will we spend not to have those
people go back into the battle. But that means we're spending $120 million
a year on 56 detainees. Because that's what will be left. He's going to
release 35. There will be 56 left. A hundred and twenty million dollars
per year for 56 -- we're spending $2 million per detainee?
BOLLING: And this is what he's worried about? A few bucks? Come on. This
is insane. This is all legacy.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, but it's just ridiculous. That he's putting his own
legacy and ego ahead of national security. Again. And the future of the
American people dealing with this. This is ridiculous.
Everybody knows the guys that are still left in there, they're amongst the
worst, you know, most violent terrorists. And just last week, February 17,
you had one of the former bin Laden aides basically crowned as, you know,
one of the top terrorists in the world. So good job. Keep on repatriating
terrorists in the world and recycling them like dirty laundry.
They're coming back out to reoffend again. It's so disrespectful to all
the men and women that have served and worked so hard, lost their lives or
lost limbs to protect this country and put these guys away, just for our
own president to release them.
WILLIAMS: And now a moment for another point of view.
GUTFELD: Well, wait...
WILLIAMS: Let me just say, I was -- go right ahead. Go ahead.
GUTFELD: I was just going to -- I was going to come to you. But first,
for another point of view, I want to go to President Obama.
WILLIAMS: Go right ahead.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Some of the fears of the
public that have been fanned oftentimes by misinformation. There continues
to be a fair amount of opposition to closing Guantanamo.
Even in an election year, we should be able to have an open, honest, good-
faith dialogue about how to best ensure our national security. And the
fact I'm no longer running, Joe is no longer running, we're not on the
ballot, it gives us the capacity to not have to worry about the politics.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: All right. So Juan, one, a good-faith dialogue means agree with
Obama. And that he's not on the ballot is translated, "I'm going to do
whatever I want."
WILLIAMS: No. In fact, he has the option to do what he wants to do
through executive action. He has not done so. And not only has he not
done so, but I think people in the military and in his old administration
said, you know, "This is not the way to go on this issue."
But I want to respond to Eric, because I think you were wrong on every
WILLIAMS: I think that if you look at what goes on in Guantanamo, and you
say what -- Who else agrees with this? What evidence is there of this? I
can't tell you how many times military people have said to me, this is a
BOLLING: There it is. Or Obama comes on the other side...
WILLIAMS: Let me just say -- no, no.
GUTFELD: I'm not going to tell you.
WILLIAMS: And let me just tell you the No. 1, I think, example of this
would be a man who was held as a military prisoner, and that's John McCain.
A Republican, who said...
BOLLING: Can I just ask you...?
WILLIAMS: No. Let me -- let me finish my point.
BOLLING: All right.
WILLIAMS: OK. The second thing to say is, gosh, you know, we have
released, I think, the majority of people who were once held at Guantanamo
Bay. And you know, the recidivism rate you talk about, how many do you
BOLLING: Twenty-eight point two.
WILLIAMS: ... they're out there recruiting people? There is no shortage
BOLLING: Can I just ask you one question, Juan? One question.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
WILLIAMS: I never interrupted you. But go right ahead.
BOLING: Do you think the terrorists are now going to say, if we bring
these terror -- these detainees to America in Colorado, terrorism is going
to say, "OK, we're good now. We're all good now. Because Gitmo, we had a
problem. We're OK."
GUTFELD: That was the problem. That was the problem.
GUILFOYLE: "Now we like you."
WILLIAMS: No, I think there's something to be said about the idea that we
don't hold people indefinitely without charging them.
GUTFELD: I think we -- it's a new...
WILLIAMS: We don't do this in such a way that just says, "Oh, you know, we
put people in a hellhole and leave them there." And then say, "You know
what? So what? That's the way we behave."
No. We should not become monsters in this regard. And don't forget, you
asked about another person who said Gitmo was a bad idea. How about George
GUTFELD: All right.
PERINO: Because he didn't want to have to have it, but it was necessary.
And it's not a hellhole. Did you see?
GUTFELD: It's better than Cuba. Gitmo is better than Cuba!
GUILFOYLE: And Venezuela.
PERINO: Can I make one serious point, though?
PERINO: Or did you have a question?
GUILFOYLE: There's toilet paper and milk there.
GUTFELD: My question is didn't he stop at Gitmo and shake the hands of all
the people who work there?
PERINO: Don't you think he probably will, and then he'll say, "By the way,
you all get to go home."
PERINO: Here's the thing.
GUTFELD: Big beach.
PERINO: He said, "Because I'm not on the ballot, I don't have to worry
about the politics."
PERINO: I'm going to get to that. And he's ignoring the law. Ninety-
eight to two, I think it was, something like that, or 97-3 in the United
PERINO: ... said that they, bipartisan agreement, no terrorists will be
allowed to be transferred onto U.S. soil.
PERINO: That's the law. Speaker Ryan again reiterated that today. So
WILLIAMS: This is sheer politics. What about the shoe bomber, the Times
Square bomber, the airplane bomber? They're all on U.S. soil, in American
prisons, properly convicted. At Guantanamo Bay, no one convicted.
BOLLING: They were caught on U.S. soil, Juan.
PERINO: Why, why, why? Juan, why did -- why did President Obama stop the
military tribunals, then?
WILLIAMS: He didn't stop them.
PERINO: He did.
WILLIAMS: Because they are going nowhere, Dana. They're a waste.
PERINO: Grinding to a halt. Let me tell you the other thing on the
politics of this. Is that he said he doesn't to have worry about the
politics. I think that Hillary Clinton and all the rest of Democrats
running in swing states will disagree.
In fact, Hillary Clinton already has. In Colorado about four months ago,
in doing an interview with local media, she had previously had a position
that it would be fine to bring terrorists to the Supermax prison in
Colorado. Four months ago, she's like, "Oh, no, no, no. No, I've changed
my position on that. I don't want that."
So he might not think that he has to worry about the politics, but all the
other Democrats do. And remember, about 85 percent of Republicans in South
Carolina said that they supported the idea, Donald Trump's idea, of the
temporary ban on Muslim's coming into the country. I bet that number is
probably the case across the country. So if you're at the -- if you're
Debbie Wasserman Schultz, you don't like this idea this morning.
WILLIAMS: Fifteen years after 9/11, not a single guilty verdict against
anyone at Guantanamo Bay.
GUTFELD: All right. They're telling me we've got to go. By the way,
legacy, it's all about legacy, which would be a great name of a FOX News
show. The history of hot legs. Legacy.
PERINO: Greg, get out of here.
GUILFOYLE: I'm ready!
GUTFELD: There you go. Kimberly hosts.
New developments in the Democratic race for president. Bernie Sanders
picking up some more celebrity endorsements while Hillary Clinton fights to
keep her lead in South Carolina ahead of Saturday's vote. Stay tuned.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you always told the truth?
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I always try to. I
understand that voters have questions: "Is she in it for us, or is she in
it for herself?" I'm going to demonstrate that I've always been the same
person fighting for the same values.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PERINO: Hillary Clinton is working on her image to prove to voters that
she can be trusted. Well, she's got her work cut out for her. According
to a new Gallup poll, the first words that come to mind when Americans hear
her name: Dishonest, liar, don't trust her, and poor character. The top
response for Bernie Sanders, no surprise, socialist.
Last night, Republican front-runner Donald Trump said he'd be happy to run
against either of them.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I would love to run against her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why?
TRUMP: She's so badly flawed. First of all, she shouldn't be allowed --
she is. She shouldn't be allowed -- I'd also love to run against a
socialist/communist. OK. I don't think -- I don't think our country is
ready for communism.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PERINO: Greg, that Gallup poll, not good for Hillary Clinton. Like how do
you overcome that?
GUTFELD: Well, here you've got -- you've got a crony who's full of
baloney. You've got a senior citizen socialist. So if you're going to --
you have to choose between the two. I will take the liar over the
socialist. Because the liar will look out for himself, but the socialist
will come after you.
All politicians lie, but socialists loot. The problem here is that the
socialist is more likable than the liar. Bernie is, you know, a fuzzy
adorable socialist Snuggles bear. And that's what's scary. That's why the
young people love him.
PERINO: Well, the young -- the young people do love him. They haven't,
Kimberly, come out for her yet. And I wonder if this reaction by people
about when they first think of her, if those are the first words that they
-- come to mind. Dishonest, liar, poor character. I mean, that's...
GUILFOYLE: That's what happening to Bernie. That, you know, she is, you
know, cheating him out of a potential nomination as the candidate, because
the machine is well-oiled and pushing forward, despite his popular appeal.
And the fact that he is resonating with a substantial amount of the
electorate certainly has momentum, and the enthusiasm of the young voters
and young women, as well, that are motivated by his candidacy.
She has failed to grasp that sizable portion of the electorate that she was
counting on and banking on, you know, for her candidacy. I think it's
entirely problematic. Where do those people go if she is the nominee?
Will they then just go ahead and pivot back to her out of no choice? I
think it's going to depend on who the Republican nominee is.
PERINO: Does it make me totally weak that I feel kind of sorry for her?
GUILFOYLE: Where did that come from?
PERINO: Oh, my gosh.
BOLLING: She's been -- she's had that untrustworthy moniker the whole way
through, and they're still voting for her. This is nothing new. Bernie
Sanders is running on a 93 percent trustworthy rate. She's been under 30,
I guess. Do you trust her? It doesn't matter. She crushed it in Nevada.
She's down by 25 points in South Carolina.
PERINO: But I think, if you're the nominee, that it really matters in the
general, don't you think, Juan?
WILLIAMS: I think Bill Clinton had a very low trustworthy rating and won
the presidency twice. And I might point out that, while we're focused here
on Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, if we get to Donald Trump, Cruz,
Rubio, oh, my God, I think...
PERINO: They're telling me to tease.
WILLIAMS: Yes. I bet they are.
GUILFOYLE: Dana. Benghazi.
WILLIAMS: Because Donald Trump has a higher negative favorability rating
than Hillary Clinton.
PERINO: Historically true.
GUILFOYLE: Benghazi. You won't feel sorry for her any more. Benghazi.
WILLIAMS: I think her strength is when people say, as compared to what?
As compared to Donald Trump? As compared to Ted Cruz? Who do I want
representing me? Who do I think looks out for me? Empathy, competency,
ideology? They pick Hillary Clinton.
GUILFOYLE: He's the one they accused of influence peddling and the dirty
tricks, the Clinton Foundation. Now you think she's so special and so
WILLIAMS: No, no. I'm just telling you the facts. If you want...
GUILFOYLE: Juan's for sale!
WILLIAMS: If you want to say who is favorable and who's not favorable,
who's negative, boy, Trump is the...
WILLIAMS: ... away and afar the winner.
PERINO: Remember my favorite saying -- line written in this election cycle
by Matthew Continetti at The Washington Free Beacon. "If it's a race to
the bottom, we can win it." Excellent.
All right. Next, we'll look ahead to the biggest day yet of this election
cycle, Super Tuesday. Coming up in one week from now. "The Five" returns
in just a moment. It does?
WILLIAMS: The Nevada GOP caucuses are tonight, but the big kahuna of
election contests is coming up a week from now on Super Tuesday. According
to the latest polls, Donald Trump is expected to fare very well on March 1.
A new survey shows he's also ahead in Ohio, which votes on March 15. So
will Governor Kasich get out-Trumped in his home state? He says he won't.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GOV. JOHN KASICH (R-OH), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I will beat Donald Trump.
I mean, it's all within the margin of error. We'll be fine in Ohio. And
what we need to do is be able to have a respectful finish and be able to
accumulate delegates as we move forward.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAMS; So Greg, when you -- when you look at Super Tuesday...
GUTFELD: Yes, I do.
WILLIAMS: ... is there any way that you would, if you were a political
strategist, make a suggestion to Marco Rubio or to Ted Cruz and say, this
is the way to beat Donald Trump.
GUTFELD: I think you have to get beyond platitudes and promises and get to
the specifics. And challenge -- challenge Donald on foreign policy. Even
on -- even on his business acumen. You know, he's supposed to be a great
businessman. Go after him on that.
WILLIAMS: Well, Dana, you're -- you're a strategist. Let me hear it.
PERINO: This election is so different than anything I've been involved in.
And, you know, when the laws of gravity no longer apply, I think that we're
in unchartered waters. We don't know.
I do think that when Donald Trump says "commonsensical conservative," that
does speak to a lot of people. For example, remember last year, when the
Pew poll came out and said that neither party had a majority of American
support anymore. That they were now a majority independent. Then some
people look at that.
Now, conservatives, who he needs to turn out, not just here, but if he wins
the nomination in the general election, they hear that and they say, "Well,
we think we are commonsensical." We -- remember, the compassionate
conservative, that was George W. Bush's line. It spoke to me. I really
liked it. But I can understand why conservatives said, "Do you mean the
conservatives policies aren't compassionate?"
PERINO: And there was argument there. So I mean, I don't know how I would
advise anybody else. But I think that's a point.
WILLIAMS: Let me come to Eric on another point. Which is that tonight in
Nevada, the question is, it's a caucus state. Can Donald Trump organize in
a caucus state? And then going into Super Tuesday, where you have multiple
states and you have to control multiple get-out-the-vote operations, does
Donald Trump have the ground game to deliver?
BOLLING: It's a caucus. I think it was a big -- we talked about this
nonstop. It's just insane what's going to go...
WILLIAMS: All right. Enough with your hatred of caucuses.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, but it's bad for them, too.
BOLLING: Do you know you can take a selfie with your ballot and send it to
the Nevada GOP for your vote, to allegedly -- in Nevada, 33 to 50,000
people will decide 30 delegates. It's just -- it just doesn't -- the
numbers are that Trump's going to do very well there.
BOLLING: You asked Greg a question. What should Cruz or Rubio do? One of
them has -- by the numbers, one has to get out of the race.
WILLIAMS: It ain't happening. Nobody's getting out.
BOLLING: Super Tuesday, 600 delegates. If Trump -- if Trump gets -- if
Trump gets a third of those only, he's up 300 and some delegates. Then it
goes to winner-take-all. He's winning in almost every single one of the
WILLIAMS: You haven't answered my question about the ground game.
PERINO: I think he's already proven that.
WILLIAMS: All right. So Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Thank you for the question, sir. Move on.
WILLIAMS: More than a third of Republican voters said, "You know, I really
haven't made up my mind yet." Could that change the equation?
GUILFOYLE: Good opportunity. And if what you want is to take back the
White House and someone that can win and shore up support, then you should
think about who you think that candidate could be. Somebody that -- also,
you want somebody that can beat Hillary Clinton, who's going to be the
nominee and win in the general election and peel away some moderates and
independents to be able to come to the Republican side and vote and support
that candidate. That's what you should be looking at.
WILLIAMS: All right. Don't miss "The Five" Super Tuesday pre-game show
this single at 5 p.m. Eastern.
"One More Thing" up next.
BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." Dana's up first.
PERINO: All right. The rise of walking and texting. You've done it
before. You've probably run into something. But have you ever run into a
beautiful piece of art? Sophie Ryder sculpted this kissing -- let's see.
What was it called? I want to say -- it was called "The Kiss." These are
two hands. It's at Salisbury Cathedral in England.
They had to have a crane move it, because people were not even paying
attention to the art and the beautiful cathedral around them. Because of
their walking and texting. They kept bumping their heads on it. So it
became, like, a public health hazard.
Sophie, it's a beautiful sculpture, and I'm glad you sent us the video.
BOLLING: Aren't you going to say something about...
PERINO: Pay attention when you're walking.
GUTFELD: Get a grip (ph).
BOLLING: I'm sorry. Go.
PERINO: Greg's Corny Joke of the Day.
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GUTFELD: Greg's Identity News.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: You know, we've watched a lot of people deciding who they want to
be. Rachel Dolezal, a white woman who decided she wanted to be black. You
had Shawn King, white guy decides he wants to be black. What if you
decided you wanted to be a cheeseburger?
Well, a man, Sam Smith, has legally changed his name to Bacon Double
GUILFOYLE: That's so delicious.
GUTFELD: He did this after a night of drinking. I know, a big surprise.
His mother and his fiance are unhappy about this. But his dad thinks it's
hysterical. But I think this is fantastic. I think I'm going to...
GUILFOYLE: Yes, because you can make fun of him, but you're not walking
around like, "Hey, you can call me Bacon. You can call me Double
Cheeseburger." But they are delicious, so I understand his inspiration.
I'm going to change my name is Kimberly Salami.
BOLLING: Juan, you're up.
WILLIAMS: So last night, President Frank Underwood, a.k.a. Kevin Spacey in
"House of Cards," unveiled his presidential portrait at the National
Portrait Gallery in Washington, D.C.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KEVIN SPACEY, ACTOR: And I wonder if the 30 million people who visit this
institution every year will pass by this portrait and see the image of a
calm, determined president ready for any challenge. Or if this painting is
hung at just the right height, viewers will wonder instead if I'm about to
kick them in the face.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAMS: This is real. This is not...
GUTFELD: No, it's not!
WILLIAMS: Yes! He really did it, and it's going to be on public view...
WILLIAMS: ... starting Wednesday through October.
GUTFELD: That's wrong.
GUILFOYLE: This show is becoming, like, urban legend.
BOLLING: So -- so life is about happy moments and sad moments. Last night
I had both.
First, let's start with the sad one. Wayne Rogers, a beloved colleague,
passed away recently. Juan and I attended a memorial service for Wayne.
There's a picture of Wayne's widow right there in the middle and the other
members of the "Cashin' In" crew right there. A very, very nice service.
Alan Alda was there, Loretta Swit and what not. It was a sad moment but a
happy moment, nonetheless.
Then I had the good fortune to meet up with my good friends Steve and
Andrea Wynn. They're there right there. By the way, Steve will appear on
American Election Headquarters tonight, talking about the Nevada caucuses.
And then here's me being really nerdy, taking a selfie of myself in front
of a Picasso.
K.G., you're up.
GUILFOYLE: I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. He was fantastic.
BOLLING: Great guy. Good man.
GUILFOYLE: I loved being on there with him, as well.
Let's talk about attraction, shall we, and who we might be attracted to and
whether or not it means you have a lasting relationship, right? People say
opposites attract, like me and Greg. Yes, that's not going to work out,
actually. Because there was a study done, and "The Daily Mail" had it,
that apparently a better chance of staying together if you're similar.
More like birds of a feather flock together.
GUTFELD: So gay marriage.
GUILFOYLE: Perfect. I guess. If you mean same sex.
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