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Clinton benefiting from unfair super delegate advantage?

Is the race for the Democratic 2016 nomination a lock for Hillary Clinton with her super delegate advantage? Plus, will Bernie Sanders surprise her in the SC primary? Former presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich goes 'On the Record.'


This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," February 22, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: As the Democrats and Republicans are swapping spots as the GOP hits Nevada. Secretary Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders hit South Carolina for the Democratic Primary there.


BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Secretary Clinton, month after month after month, seems to be adopting more and more of the positions that we have advocated.

HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We both see the need for bold, progressive solutions.

SANDERS: I saw her TV ad. I thought it was me. But it turned out it was Secretary Clinton's picture in the ad.

CLINTON: I absolutely respect my opponent's passion and commitment.

SANDERS: I think the African-American community understands our economic agenda. Raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour.


CLINTON: It's wrong to make those promises because it's not just about math. It's about people's lives.


VAN SUSTEREN: But despite two close wins in Iowa and Nevada and big loss to senator Bernie Sanders in New Hampshire, Secretary Clinton is dominating the delegate race. So has the Democratic race already been decided? Former Democratic Presidential Candidate Congressman Dennis Kucinich is here to go "On The Record." Good to see you, sir.


VAN SUSTEREN: She has an enormous amount of super delegates, right?


VAN SUSTEREN: That helps her. OK. And the ones, they are almost neck and neck for the pledge delegates. Is there any path for Senator Bernie Sanders to get the nomination?

KUCINICH: It's a tough climb. He will absolutely stay in this race right through the edged. I think what you have to look at is this. If she wins South Carolina, let's say by 30 points, that will give her incredible momentum going into the south. And while Senator Sanders still is in pretty good places in places like Minnesota and Colorado, and of course Vermont, she is going to be piling up tremendous score among delegates. Does that mean it's over? No, it means that the climb guess steeper for Senator Sanders.

VAN SUSTEREN: With the exemption of Minnesota -- I mean Vermont, that can't be worth a whole lot of delegates, right, to win Vermont for him?

KUCINICH: Twenty six.

VAN SUSTEREN: That was what I'm trying to say. But in terms of -- does he have many super delegates?

KUCINICH: Well, I think he has about 19 super delegates. But -- and it's true. The super delegates give her an advantage. But super delegates are still free to vote for whoever they want. And if the momentum will suddenly shift to Senator Sanders, they would have to take a second look.

VAN SUSTEREN: Right. Now, the Republicans have the super delegates system.


VAN SUSTEREN: And in some ways, there is a lot of criticism of the super delegates, because it sort of takes it away from the people -- the voters and gives it to the professional politicians. Why did they do that? Why did the Democratic Party do that?

KUCINICH: I think it's it about protecting the institutional party.


VAN SUSTEREN: Do you like that?



VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, I think it stinks. I mean, if you want the people to vote, let them vote.

KUCINICH: I think that's absolutely right. Because what happens is if it's all political insiders then you don't really get a connection with the grass roots. Now, having said that, there is a good chance that Hillary Clinton could still win outright, the majority of the delegates without the super delegates. That is really going to be the task for her.

VAN SUSTEREN: And of course, we are watching -- there is Senator Bernie Sanders speaking in Massachusetts right now.

KUCINICH: Massachusetts could be in play. I mean, this really is going to be one of the tests if Bernie Sanders is very competitive in Massachusetts right now.

VAN SUSTEREN: What about raising money?

KUCINICH: Well, he is raising money on the Internet $3 at a shot. He has over a million contributors. He has not really plumbed that well as deep as it goes. 

VAN SUSTEREN: What if Secretary Clinton wins not by 30 points in South Carolina but wins by 10 points?

KUCINICH: That would be a sign that Bernie Sanders has been able to cut into her support among the African-American vote. But I think that what Secretary Clinton has demonstrated is that blacks tend to have an affinity for her candidacy now. And if she wins that black vote by a 3-to-1 margin, which some polls suggest that she could, all bets are off coming into the south. South vote, she could pile up tremendous advantage. But we have to see. South Carolina is going to be important as a momentum.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who has ran a smarter campaign so far?

KUCINICH: I think Bernie Sanders has run a brilliant campaign right under the box. He stayed on economic issues. However, you know, there needs to be broadening of appeal, and he still has a chance to do it. But time is getting short.

VAN SUSTEREN: Nice to see you, sir.

KUCINICH: Good to see you.