Hillary Clinton's email controversy

But according to the media, Clinton's too big to fail


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 20, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld, with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and she free-bases Pixy Stix, its Dana Perino -- "The Five."

It was an announcement so big, every network led with it. Yes, Sarah Palin's secret e-mail server contained more high classified info than previously thought. Sorry, did I say Sarah Palin? I meant Hillary Clinton. But maybe if it were Sarah, everybody would have led with it.

FNC got a looked at a letter from the inspector general that says dozens of e-mails contained classified info, ranging from confidential to top secret from, quote, "special access programs" unquote, Dana. In sum, Hillary broke at least two federal laws: The illegal storage of classified info; the illegal transmission of classified info, which regarding national defense through unapproved channels happens to be a felony.

So where's this going? Let's ponder Hillary's campaign.

It's in collapse. But is anyone watching? So far, the media is doing two things. It's pushing the notion that it's rude to even consider that Hillary committed a crime because she's just too big to fail. Which means, if it were you, you would already be in jail fashioning clever shanks out of toothbrushes.

But let's also admit that whenever Hillary makes news, we get lost in the riot on the right. Hence, Palin's endorsement trumped Hillary's law-breaking.

Here's an idea: Indict her, arrest her, then pardon her, then excuse her. It's time. I mean, what's worse, Hillary's treatment of e-mails or Bill's treatment of females? Hillary dismissed both and allowed for abuse of both while lying and denying afterward. E-mails and females. One served Hill, the other served Bill. Shouldn't that be the news or is it a snooze? It's something to ponder before swearing in President Clinton.

Kimberly, you've been --

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: How very Cat in the Hat of you.

GUTFELD: I know. Sometimes I got to rhyme.

GUILFOYLE: You got little mini Seuss.

GUTFELD: Oh, you.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

GUTFELD: OK, enough. You're a lawyer, prosecute her.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I am. So I'm --


GUTFELD: This stuff was clearly marked classified. So they were in separate systems that, and that requires a deliberate, deliberate movement from one to the other.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. So they can't say they're there's negligent. What this shows is specific intend to do, so they disregard the law to go around it and to compromise our National Security and Intelligence. Because quite frankly, not only did she cost lives in Benghazi, this will cost lives if this information gets in the wrong hands. Which I believe that they were able; the Russians, the Chinese able to get access to this or hack her server and read some of these e-mails in real-time. Let see what happens. I mean, if this was anybody else, we would already be fast-forwarding.


GUILFOYLE: Like you said to the prosecution. And then, yeah, great, next president of the United States can pardon her. But I think that's also why it's so important for her to become president and to win this election, because her life is on the line with this. I think it's very serious. Look what happened with Petraeus.


GUILFOYLE: And you see the conscious disregard, conscious disregard to do, to go ahead, despite this national security threat, and then the consciousness of guilt in terms of removing and trying to remove the headers, because she knew what she was doing.

GUTFELD: We can only hope that President O'Malley will pardon her. Juan, you don't have to show harm or intent. The evidence is overwhelming that she broke the law. But no need to show harm or intent, she's going to be prosecuted.


GUTFELD: She's gonna be indicted. This must be crushing to you.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Oh, yeah, yeah. It's just devastating, devastating Greg. It's devastating to see you throw so much blank on the wall and hope something sticks, because that's all you got to doing.

GUTFELD: Spaghetti.

WILLIAMS: Spaghetti, that's exactly the S word.

GUILFOYLE: Spaghetti.

WILLIAMS: Spaghetti. So that's what I was talking about. Look, I mean, there's no need to defend Hillary Clinton. I think she acted like an entitled privileged lady here, who was first lady, and thinks you know what, I play by my own rules, and I really can't stand what she did with the foundation of foreign donations. And you know, get ahead of myself because later we're gonna talk about this, but I think what she did with the unions by selling out the school choice movement, I find it appalling.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So you love her?

WILLIAMS: Well, no. I mean --

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: But you'll vote for her anyway.


BOLLING: You're gonna vote for her like the rest of it (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: No, but I will say this that, you know, you look at these ads now being run by Karl Rove's group, American Crossroads, ads against Hillary supporting Bernie, basically in Iowa. Then you look at this and the kind of argument that comes from the Clinton campaign, which is that there's some coordination. The leak goes to The Hill, to republicans on The Hill, who then spill it. And what have they got? They have got zip.


WILLIAMS: Let me finish this point, though, Eric.


WILLIAMS: Basically, the real issue here is e-mails not classified. Classified or not classified, being sent and received. Hillary Clinton said she never received or sent anything that was marked.

GUTFELD: She lied.

WILLIAMS: That's it seals the case.

GUILFOYLE: Somebody is going to jail, maybe Huma, you know.

WILLIAMS: There's no new development.

GUTFELD: I think Juan should go to jail for lying.

BOLLING: Yeah, Hillary.


BOLLING: OK, so you --


BOLLING: Again, that was the rhetoric today. That came out of the Clinton campaign today that it was a coordinated effort by the GOP to lead --


BOLLING: To have these, the timing of these e-mails being leaked. The problem with that is it was -- it wasn't the GOP, it was The New York Times who leaked them. Michael Schmidt wrote the article that talked about the e- mails, Hillary Clinton's e-mails.

WILLIAMS: Where is it coming from was the point.

BOLLING: From -- what do you mean where it was coming from?

WILLIAMS: From, The Hill.

BOLLING: They exposed it.

GUTFELD: And it starts from Benghazi here?

BOLLING: No, it didn't, and that's the whole point. Trey Gowdy said, "It wasn't my committee that leaked these e-mails; that leaked the story of the e-mails. It was New York Times investigation. I'm positive. New York Times didn't sit on it." Trey Gowdy said it.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. What I'm saying is the inspector general had to give it to somebody. He doesn't it to (inaudible).

PERINO: No, because Juan, actually -- I can actually clarify this.

WILLIAMS: Please, please.

PERINO: The chairman of the committee, the Homeland Security committee, made a congressional inquiry, wrote a letter to the inspector general.


PERINO: The inspector general did what he is supposed to do under the law. He replied to the member of Congress.

WILLIAMS: Correct.

PERINO: Then it gets to the New York Times.


PERINO: But she is saying --

WILLIAMS: That's what I'm saying.


PERINO: But she is saying that the inspector general --


PERINO: She actually was saying that her team was accusing the inspector general, who is a nonpartisan.


PERINO: Federal employee of whom she wants to be the boss of, of being political and conspiring with the republic.

BOLLING: With the GOP --


GUILFOYLE: Because it's a distraction.


GUILFOYLE: Yeah, because guess what, still guilty. You can do all the jazz hands you want, Juan. Leaked or not, it's there, it's the truth and she's responsible.

WILLIAMS: For what?

GUILFOYLE: Sorry for you.

WILLIAMS: For what?

GUILFOYLE: For leaking classified information.

WILLIAMS: She didn't leak it.

GUILFOYLE: Well -- excuse me, for having an unsecured server and having that information that was compromised.

WILLIAMS: That is inappropriate. But that is not a crime.

GUTFELD: She took -- she went out of her way.


GUTFELD: To deliberately shift this stuff from one pile to another. This included the names of a mole of black ops programs, peoples name were in there. She put them all in danger. I want to go to --

PERINO: And on her homebrew server.

GUTFELD: Yeah, exactly.

WILLIAMS: Wait a second. I think they said --

GUILFOYLE: It's like double-agent behavior, right?

WILLIAMS: There are suggestions coming.

GUILFOYLE: It's like unbelievable.

WILLIAMS: From Brian Fallon, who's the spokesman for the Clinton camp, saying, you know what, this may be just about a newspaper story with regard to a drone program, and then that newspaper story then get sent to Hillary Clinton. And then now, the inspector general says, well, that drone program was SAP.

GUTFELD: Uh-huh. All right, well you know what, I would rather hear from Krauthammer than you.

WILLIAMS: I know that.

GUTFELD: He opened for Dawkin, earlier this year. Let's go to Krauthammer.



CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: People have to understand is that there is nothing high, more secret than a SAP. And that, from some people I've talked to, this is worse than what Snowden did, because he didn't have access to SAP. And that, if this is compromised, this is so sensitive that the reason and the reason it is, is that, as a result, if it's compromised, people die.



GUILFOYLE: See, that's what I was saying.


GUILFOYLE: This is, I mean, come on. He knows. This is, to me, this is such a double standard, and such hypocrisy that she's getting a pass once again. There's like some like weird spell that the Clintons put people under and it just doesn't matter. They're like three-strike offenders, but it doesn't matter, give them the pass. I mean, there should be serious consequences. How is it, that now this person is going to be rewarded by potentially being president of the United States of America, the greatest country in the world, commander-in-chief of our armed forces. It's bad enough what happened to Benghazi. It's bad enough the influence-peddling with the Clinton foundation. And now this is it, this is enough with what happened with the e-mails. She deliberately did this, she and her team. There's of quite substantial evidence to point to this. Now it's the call of DOJ and FBI, what are you going to do about it?

GUTFELD: You know who agrees with you? Mayor Giuliani. How's that, huh?

GUILFOYLE: It's such a good company.


RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: This is about as clear as it gets. It's a crime to negligently handle top-secret material. She misrepresented about it. She lied about it. She said she had no top-secret material, which of course, absurd. How could the secretary of state not have top-secret material? And finally --


GIULIANI: And finally she destroyed 34,000 e-mails. You know what I argue with the prosecutor in court? That's evidence of the guilty knowledge, that -- and I am entitled to a charge by the judge to the jury.



GUILFOYLE: He's right.


BOLLING: That is the -- she cherry-picked the e-mails that she wanted to be released and the ones more specifically, the ones she didn't want. Can you imagine -- you know, all these, you know, the NSA -- all these groups that think they can go back and find these data, the metadata, whatever you call it. Can someone please find these e-mails? Could they be absolutely 100 percent destroyed? Or are they sitting somewhere, either from a recipient or somewhere else.


GUILFOYLE: They're in somewhere else.

BOLLING: Thousands that are sitting there.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. They should --

BOLLING: They have to be a smoking gun.

GUILFOYLE: Like from, yeah --


BOLLING: The ones who showed us are atrocious. Can you imagine what she won't show us?

GUTFELD: They're somewhere, Dana.

GUILFOYLE: And Giuliani is talking about the jury instruction for consciousness of guilt. Which you can ask for a judge to show when someone deliberately then acted a way that shows that their guilt by destroying or not producing the evidence, because they know that they're guilty and it would, you know, convict them.

GUTFELD: Does this qualifier from -- I mean, we're in the age of cyberterror and cyber-warfare. Doesn't it's kind of disqualify her from, that her -- either her secretiveness or her ignorance?

PERINO: Well, and - I mean, the State Department actually tried to protect her from herself, but She wouldn't even listen then.


PERINO: Because in 2011, there was an e-mail sent to Huma Abedin, her aide, from the State Department, administrative office saying, "Your boss must get an official account." So with that -- first of all, the State Department is complicit and they did nothing. And it's pretty amazing.


PERINO: That they've been quite about all along. Secondly, I mean, they're trying -- when you have somebody who is willfully ignoring the State Department, imagine what she would do as the chief executive officer.


PERINO: Of the executive branch. She wants to be the commander-in-chief. Everybody that would work for her that would have clearance would actually be subjected to the same rules and laws that she basically said she didn't have to adhere to. And all of her supporters will say that, oh, you were just crazy, and the inspector general must be complicit with the republicans. And we all figure it out some way, to try to put this under the rug, but there's no one to blame for this except for Hillary Clinton. She made the decision, elections, especially presidential ones are about judgment and character, and I think hers looks terrible right now.

WILLIAMS: Where do I sign? Where do I sign?

PERINO: Great point.

WILLIAMS: I've never attended a meeting of the Sanders for president committee before I --


WILLIAMS: Before I came here this afternoon.

GUTFELD: Do you think --

PERINO: I think Biden is your best --

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

PERINO: Saving grace.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah, yeah, because you know.

GUILFOYLE: You're absolutely right. I kept thinking that when I was looking at Juan.

WILLIAMS: Right now, that Hillary Clinton is a democrat, and this is what American Crossroads, Karl Rove and the rest of the gang knows, you can't beat Hillary Clinton. And that's what this is all about.

PERINO: But the thing is that should she be subject to the same types of prosecutorial discretion.


PERINO: As somebody like a General David Petraeus.


PERINO: And if so, then this should be clear.

WILLIAMS: Gave information to someone else. Hillary Clinton did not, and there's no evidence that anybody got any information, even though she was operating on such server.

BOLLING: But she did.


BOLLING: To avoid protocol, go -- basically put herself above the law as secretary of state. What makes you think as a democrat voting out there, that should be any different and even more egregious as president, Hillary Clinton.

WILLIAMS: I agree. I think this is --


GUTFELD: And also because of --

WILLIAMS: But you can't have --

BOLLING: Twelve minutes and we have Dana.

WILLIAMS: An immediate job is not to indict. Let the FBI, let the DOJ do their job.


WILLIAMS: And stop with all of the spaghetti throwing.


PERINO: Can I just ask everybody --

GUILFOYLE: This isn't spaghetti throwing, this is analysis based on the fact and the information that the public has a right to know. Eat that spaghetti, Juan.


GUTFELD: Wow. Did you want to do something?

PERINO: Well, i just -- just for fun, everybody. Take one of the articles about this. Take Catherine Herridge's article on She's the one that broke this story, and search and replace Hillary Clinton's name with Dick Cheney's name. And then read the article as if it were Dick Cheney and his homebrew e-mail server that did this, and imagine what the left would be doing right now.

GUTFELD: They will be --

PERINO: Kind of a fun little exercise.

GUTFELD: They will be apoplectic.


GUTFELD: A little fun word there.

WILLIAMS: I like it.

GUTFELD: I rarely used it.

GUILFOYLE: Don't be --

GUTFELD: I only take it out for special occasions.

All right, the countdown to Iowa, just 12 days out for the first vote, the latest from the campaign trail, coming up.

And later, former Oscar host and winner by the way, Whoopi Goldberg has some harsh words for those boycotting the awards shows. We'll hear from her, ahead.


BOLLING: Well, we hit the story last night. Just minutes before it broke, Governor Sarah Palin decided to endorse Donald Trump, over long-time fellow Tea Party favorite Ted Cruz. And just moments after our show ended, Governor Palin made it official. Here are some of the biggest applause lines in a SOT montage -- SOT.


SARAH PALIN, FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: Mr. Trump, you're right, look back there in the press box.


PALIN: Heads are spinning. Media heads are spinning. This is going to be so much fun. Are you ready to make America great again?


PALIN: United States military deserves a commander-in-chief who loves our country passionately, and will never apologize for this country.


PALIN: No more pussy-footing around, our troops deserve the best, you deserve the best.


PALIN: He is from the private sector. Not a politician. Can I get a hallelujah? Are you ready for a commander-in-chief who will let our warrior do their job and go kick ISIS ass? Are you ready for a new, and are you ready for the leader who will let you make America great again?


PALIN: God bless you. God bless the United States of America, and our next president of the United States, Donald J. Trump.



BOLLING: Oh, (inaudible) the endorsement. I personally think it's excellent time you put the Trump campaign as he overtakes Ted Cruz in Iowa, hold the strong lead in New Hampshire and the shock poll of the me at the campaign so far, Trump has opened up a 30-point lead in the state of Florida. KG --


BOLLING: On the endorsement, she got some really big applause lines on the military, specifically someone who will kick ISIS's ass.

GUILFOYLE: Well, because there's tremendous focus in the country at this time and deservedly, so in the area of foreign policy and national security and as it relates to ISIS. Because that's been really one of the huge failings of this administration and continues to be one that we're going to have to pay for in the years to come because of the inaction, the lack of decisiveness and focus on this, instead it's on cumulus clouds. So when you hear things like this, that hey, this is somebody that's going to let our military do the job they need to do. I'm thinking about rules of engagement that have been hampering our Special Forces and special ops, people out in the field, in the theater. Let the people, the generals, the people that on the ground that know what to do be making decisions going forward. So that's something I think important to focus and highlight on. And I've noticed in all this, speaking engagement since then, he's been really focusing on the big lead, the numbers in Florida.

BOLLING: Yeah, that's a big one. Greg, no more pussy-footing around that got a lot of applause.

GUTFELD: Oh, I did. There are a lot of great lines there. Boy, Trump look comfortable during that whole thing. It looked like he had eaten a chipotle. And you're right. There were a lot of moving parts there. But you know what else has a lot of moving parts, a cuckoo clock. And she has a very unusual style of speaking. It's like stream of consciousness poetry. She's like Eminem meets Mike Huckabee, and built within that are some really kind of lyrical lines that are impressive, but they lost in a landslide of language. It's almost like gum in your, getting chewing gum in your hair. It's like, you can't untangle it. It's amazing. But I don't think, you know, I don't believe he won any votes with this. I think he won, like you said yesterday. He won the news cycle. And that's a battle, not the war. But I don't think that got him any votes. And one could argue; they might have lost some votes in the long run. But we will see. She's always, always entertaining.

BOLLING: And then, and also that was from last night, Juan. This afternoon she also gave a very, very powerful speech. She got a lot of applause, again.

WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, I think she's, you know, look. She is the leader of the Tea Party to my mind, still, even as the Tea Party sinks in the polls in the eyes of republicans. And she's charismatic, and she's very attractive, and boy, she's energetic and she's just great story, but I will say this. OK, so like the conservative talk show host going after Trump because of his attacks on Cruz, I think she stopped that bleeding, because now they're all talking about her, and that's a big step, right. And I think that you have the sense that she's anti-establishment. That she really says, you know, oh, these establishment people say we're not conservative? How can they say that, right? And she really took after the establishment, by the way, in that speech.

GUILFOYLE: Well, Cruz is trying to say that Trump is the establishment choice now, that's --

WILLIAMS: Yeah, and then she said -- she blanked that.

GUILFOYLE: I know what.

WILLIAMS: But you know what I thought, when you were talking KG was, she says, she likes Rand Paul in this rambling speech. She said she likes Rand Paul and she does -- she thinks, let Allah sort them out. Let the - let those Muslims fight each other, not the United States. And why do we always get -- and I thought, but wait a second, a minute ago she wants to go kick ass.

BOLLING: Right. Dana, good choice or bad choice for Donald Trump to have Sarah Palin endorse him?

PERINO: Oh, as like, as I said yesterday, I think it's a net plus. His supporters are locked in. They're not ones that are vacillating, they have chosen him. They are going to be there for him.

GUILFOYLE: They're baked in.

PERINO: There's not a question. I'm sorry?


GUILFOYLE: Like they're baked in. Like they're not going to change?

PERINO: Right. I think that they are solid. And I think that this notion that they won't show up to vote is wrong. So I think that that is all real. I'm not sure how much the celebrity endorsements matter, though. Like if you look at Hillary Clinton has had, Katy Perry and Lena Dunham in Iowa, a ton, and it's really not help her, if you look at her polls. And Ted Cruz announces today that Glenn Beck will campaign with him all--day on Saturday. That actually will probably help him. So that will be a net plus for him as well.

BOLLING: Let's point (ph) on that one up a little bit. All right, as for those of you wondering whether the Donald has bigger plans for Sarah Palin say like maybe VP, here's how he answered that question.


TRUMP: She's somebody I really like and I respect. And certainly, she could play a position, if she wanted to.

SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, NBC TODAY SHOW CO-HOST: You wouldn't rule her out as VP?

TRUMP: Well I don't think she would want to do it. I mean, I don't think she would want to do it. And, you know, I really don't get into it right now because I am -- that question is always asked of me. Who do you have in mind? And I don't even think about VP right now. And I just want to win.


BOLLING: That's what he says, Greg.

GUTFELD: This is a great strategy on Trump. How many people are catering, hoping for a career morsel? It's just like "The Apprentice" they're hoping for an appointment. I'm aiming for the BNG, which is the Board of Geographic Names, that's where I get the name all the mountains. But there's a lot of press secretaries out there, waiting in line all over the cable network.



BOLLING: Yeah, BGN, all right.


PERINO: It's a great (inaudible). I -- this question on whether she would be the vice president, I think, remember one of the reasons President Obama won with hardly any substance or any policy details is that he talked about hope and change, and he was about the future. Do not think that a Donald Trump candidacy, if you were to be get, to get the nomination. I do not think it would be smart to reach back into the past and pull up Sarah Palin for the vice presidential slot.

BOLLING: And she might, start a lot of people thought, well, maybe this is just about Iowa, win Iowa, and we don't see Sarah again. But she's very popular in the south, too.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, I think she's popular among Tea Party types and some republicans all over the country. She's a star as Dana was saying. You know, I just -- she said yesterday, the GOP --

PERINO: I didn't say that.


WILLIAMS: The GOP establishment is so busted. I mean you know, I mean, she's got the energy. I just want -- I mean, I agree with Greg. I just couldn't believe his face. He was standing there. I didn't know what was going on.

BOLLING: Warp it up --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, what Dana said that she believed it was a net plus.

WILLIAMS: All right.

GUILFOYLE: So, yeah. No, I think that there are a lot of different options. You're going to have to see how people do in Iowa, in Florida, New Hampshire, South Carolina, before you even start thinking about you know, VP. I mean, you got to win it, you got to win it.

BOLLING: All right. We're gonna leave it there. Before we go, America lost an important contributor to this election process last night. A volunteer for Ben Carson's campaign was killed in a car crash in Iowa. His name was Braden Joplin. He was only 25-years-old. Carson described Braden as someone who wanted America to be a kinder and gentler place. Our hearts and prayers here on The Five, go out to Braden's family and friends.

But coming up, democrats are all in on the crisis in Flint, Michigan. But they say not -- but they're not saying much about the crisis in Chicago, where more than 100 people have been killed already this year. We will return in just a moment.


PERINO: Michigan Governor, Rick Snyder, has apologized once again to residents of Flint for its toxic water crisis. And while the state bears responsibility for the issue, there seems to be a double standard for democrats when it comes to holding leaders accountable. For example, Hillary Clinton tore in the republican governor, Rick Snyder.


HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We've had a city in the United States of America, where the population, which is poor in many ways, and majority African-American, has been drinking and bathing in lead- contaminated water. And the governor of that state acted as though, he didn't really care.


PERINO: But when asked about democratic mayor, Rahm Emanuel's possible cover-up of a police shooting of a black teen, Clinton held her fire.


CLINTON: This is not a problem that's unique to Chicago, unfortunately, and we've got to do a lot more to deal with the systemic racism and the problems that policing has demonstrated.

Mayor Emanuel has said that he is committed to complete and total reform, and I think he should be held to that standard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE; But do you think he still could -- he still has credibility to do this?

CLINTON: Well, that's going to be up to him and up to the people of Chicago to prove.

PERINO: Jason Riley of the "Wall Street Journal" notes Hillary's hypocrisy, saying, quote, "Calling out a Republican governor is more useful to Mrs. Clinton than is calling out the Democratic mayor of the president's home town. Her concern is not the plight of poor blacks in general but the plight of those blacks best situated to help her win the White House."

Gutfeld, you were nodding your head along with Jason Riley.

GUTFELD: What's amazing about Hillary is she cares about the lead poisoning in drinking water, but not about the lead poisoning in Chicago. And one them is deadlier than the other.

The story ticks a box. The only box that matters to the left is that it's a Republican governor. But they ignore horrific state -- many, the horrific states of cities run by liberal mayors, because it's a liberal mayor.

PERINO: Juan, it does seem that the left wants to blame gun violence on the NRA, not on local leadership. But when it came to something like this, do you think Jason Riley has a good point?

WILLIAMS: I think Jason has a great point, and I read it with great interest. I will say, I think there's a difference, someone else wrote, what you have here is a medical catastrophe. And I think you're wrong, Greg. I think that when you have children having high levels of lead in their blood. I think that's going to have...

GUTFELD: What about a lead bullet in their brain?

WILLIAMS: That's deadly, too. I'm just saying, they're both deadly and I think the long-term consequences to lead...

GUTFELD: Because there's short-term consequences to a bullet in the brain. You die.

WILLIAMS: That's permanent. But I'm saying in terms of a national crisis, and again, it's where does the leadership come in. I do think that this lead in the drinking water is bad stuff.

PERINO: But one of the differences, Eric, I noted -- I noted today is that Governor Snyder, who was the executive in charge. And he has said and takes full responsibility, he is sorry and will fix it. Rahm Chicago, on the other hand, was involved in what looks like to be a cover-up, has a 10 percent approval rating in Chicago. And yet, there's nothing from the White House or Clinton.

BOLLING: Will you hate me if I don't equate the two? Can I just separate? Can I just talk about how awful, what happened in Flint, Michigan really is? Timeline goes like this. April of 2014, they switched.

Flint, Michigan, decided to start pulling water from the Flint River. October, General Motors of 2015, General Motors stops using that water, because it was rusting the paint on their cars.

It wasn't until February that Mayor Dwayne Walling says that he's going to look into it. So in February of that year, he finds out, he figures it out that this is bad.

September of that year, months later, Rick Snyder gets involved. And then January of this year, President Obama gets involved. So why not go to the mayor of that town, No. 1, and if you want to say the buck stops at the governor, fine. Go to the governor. He should have got involved sooner. He had plenty of time to also get involved. But so did President Obama.

As soon as these guys find out about it and they do something, they start the wheels in motion, why not let the buck stop where it really stops? If president -- if the EPA, the bigger, the federal EPA knew this was going on, they should have stopped it.

And there is some indication that the state EPA notified the federal EPA, and the federal EPA may or may not. I don't understand it exactly what happened. May have put a kibosh on them notifying the people of the state until there's further investigation.

PERINO: And right before the segment, K.G., they said that the governor's office has -- or the state of Michigan -- I guess it's the governor's office -- has released about 300 emails that hopefully will help us get to the bottom of that.

And I think that maybe the goal here, first of all, is solve the problem in Flint, Michigan. Because that is actually -- in many ways it seems like that's a more solvable problem than the one in Chicago.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I mean solve them both. Address them both. They're both important.

But again I mean, just -- I think you both have covered that very well. You know, to go back to what Greg was saying, just the hypocrisy just strikes me. That if it suits their purposes and their ideology and their political lineup, they'll address it and they'll get out there and get on the stump about it. But if it's not, you know, if it's a Republican, oh, fair game. Rahm Emanuel gets a pass.

PERINO: Yes. All right. As the outrage over the Oscars continues to grow, Whoopi Goldberg slams those calling for a boycott of the awards show, what she and Spike Lee are saying they want instead of that. Next.


WILLIAMS: Some celebrities, like Jada Pinkett Smith, are boycotting next month's Oscars, because no black people are nominated again. Others are calling on Chris Rock to protest by canceling his hosting gig.

Whoopi Goldberg, however, has some harsh words for those people. She's saying the solution is not to boycott.


WHOOPI GOLDBERG, CO-HOST, ABC'S "THE VIEW": You get the people who have the production companies to hire. You make us think all year, not just once a year, but all year.

Boycotting doesn't work, and it's also a slap in the face of, of -- Chris Rock. And I find that I find that -- I find that also wrong. So I'm not going to boycott. But I'm going to continue to (EXPLETIVE DELETED), as I have all year-round. Because I'm tired of seeing movies where no one is represented except a bit of the population. Not all of it.


WILLIAMS: Earlier today, director Spike Lee said he never called for a boycott. He said he just won't be attending the show. But he is calling on Hollywood studios to implement a quota system, something like the NFL. I don't get that.


SPIKE LEE, FILM DIRECTOR: Move us up or see executive position, you cannot hire anyone to interview minority candidates. And that has increased the number of minority coaches and executives in the NFL, and that's been used...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You've got to widen the pool out.

LEE: Have to. Because we can't go to the old, tired rub, "Well, we can't find any qualified candidates." That's B.S.


WILLIAMS: So you get this situation, K.G., where Chris Rock is hosting, and he's under pressure from other black people to say, "Hey, maybe you should pull out." What do you think?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I don't think that's the way to go about it. Just, you know, try out for roles. Get great roles, do an amazing performance. I mean, when you -- I think there's been so many incredible, you know, movies, TV shows. Everything that highlights minority actors and actresses.

Shonda Rimes, just with ABC, "Scandal" and -- what's the other one, the murder show -- great shows, great programming. "Grey's Anatomy." I mean, I think there's been very good representation and a lot coming forward.

So I'm more in the mood of, like, let's celebrate all these achievements, like Tyler Perry and, yes, Spike Lee. There's a lot of great filmmakers, people out there in the business doing incredible jobs.

WILLIAMS: So Eric...

GUILFOYLE: The phenomenal African-American actors that we all enjoy.

WILLIAMS: So Eric, the argument is the Academy is 94 percent white, and that's why they vote as they do. They ignore people like Will Smith and all the rest.

BOLLING: So they're racists. The Academy. The argument is that they're racist. If it's 94 percent white or 50 percent white. They're voting, based on their race, not on the ability and the talent, the merit of the actor. And...

WILLIAMS: I don't -- I think racist is too strong a word. I think it's more like they're saying they're clique-ish.

BOLLING: It doesn't matter what the breakdown is, then?

WILLIAMS: What do you mean?

BOLLING: Because you're basically saying a white Academy member will not vote for a black person.

WILLIAMS: No, no. It's like what Whoopi Goldberg is saying, that she sees this 94 percent group. And they recognize people in terms of what their marketing strategy on the like and how they approached...

BOLLING: And Greg pointed that out yesterday, that some filmmakers do hire and cast white males, because they believe they'll bring more tickets. Put more butts in the seat. That could be. Can I just address one thing? Spike Lee, what the hell is he talking about? There's no quota system for hiring coaches in the NFL?

WILLIAMS: I agree. That's what I...

BOLLING: You hire a coach who you think will be successful. If you think a black coach will be more successful with your team, which is predominantly black, then you hire a black coach.

WILLIAMS: No, no. What they do is, in terms of looking at coaches, they are required under the Rooney Rule to look at some black coaches, because previously with all-white owners, black coaches were being ignored. They always were looking at the white coaches.

BOLLING: So the quota comes in with the actual...

WILLIAMS: It's no quota.

BOLLING: Not the demand...

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes, yes.

BOLLING: I guess.

WILLIAMS: So I guess this, I like this tweet here, Dana.

GUILFOYLE: Plenty of NBA, you know, head coaches that are African- American, too.

WILLIAMS: There are. I mean, anyway -- but Dana, I was going to say Chris Rock tweeted that you got to watch the Oscars, because it's the white BET Awards. What do you think?

PERINO: I think that he is well-positioned to bring humor to make a point and just to put on a great show. And I think Whoopi Goldberg gave him good advice.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, Whoopi was good. Good job, Whoopi.

WILLIAMS: So I know that on race issues, you're so sensitive.

GUTFELD: How do you know?

WILLIAMS: Because I know -- that's why -- you know I don't like to deal with you Black Lives Matter people.

GUTFELD: I know.

WILLIAMS: But I have to go here.

GUTFELD: As a black man, Juan, you know how I feel.

WILLIAMS: yes, I know.

GUTFELD: The problem with quotas is it introduces suspicion among your peers that you really didn't earn the job. Nobody wants to get a job based on a quota. That is a fact. I don't care who you are. You want to say, "I got the job because I deserved the job," not because "I got the place. I fulfilled the color" or whatever.

GUILFOYLE: Right. The short funny guy.

GUTFELD: Hey, stop it.

Blacks make up 50.2 of the population, but the percentage of blacks as directors are far smaller. So it's not about quality of movies. It's about quantity of directors. So you've got to get -- you've got to encourage blacks to get into the art of motion picture-making. And then they'll make more films, and then there will be better, more quality films to choose from. Does that make sense?

WILLIAMS: Yes. It does. I think there are more people now trying to get into it.

The question is, can they get the money, and will they get the opportunity? But I think I was listening to Justice Thomas the way you were speaking. That's his argument.

GUTFELD: Really? Well, you know, we play a lot of golf together.

WILLIAMS: Is that what it is? I can see you in the robes, sitting on the high court.

BOLLING: Not the Supreme Court.

GUILFOYLE: Not the robes again.

BOLLING: ... the Lower East Side.

GUTFELD: It's miniature golf.



WILLIAMS: Are you guys guilty of this?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe he did call, and I didn't get the message.

Or maybe he lost my number ? Or is out of town or got hit by a cab or his grandma died?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Or maybe he just didn't call because he has no interest in seeing you again.


BOLLING: No more excuses, no more dating distress. Help on the way. Kimberly "Love Guru" Guilfoyle with tips on when to love 'em, when to leave 'em, straight ahead.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It would be nice if you helped me. I don't want to do them later. Let's just do them now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just honestly want to relax for a little bit, if I could just sit here, let my food digest and just try to enjoy the quiet for a little bit.

Get some, get some. Get some!

That's what happens. And we will clean the dishes tomorrow.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, I don't like waking up to a dirty kitchen.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I care. All right? I care.


GUILFOYLE: All right. OK. So everybody has got their relationship issues, right?

Well, fear no more, because it's time now for...


GUILFOYLE: Kimberly's Dating Tips.


GUILFOYLE: That's right. According to a new study, here are some of the top deal-breakers for lovers.

Laziness. Like we just saw in that clip, with this, with the video games. Neediness, if you're too needy. Sixty-nine percent of women and 57 percent of men say they will walk away.

No sense of humor. Oh no no, that's a no-no. Major, major turn-off. Also, tech obsession. Watching too much TV or playing too many video games like we saw.

Another one, being too frank, i.e. honest, with your partner.

All right. So let's take it around the table. Do's and don't's -- Greg.

GUTFELD: Well, first, let's point out that that movie was showing a guy who had already roped her in. They were already in a relationship. So he had done all the right things. Now he's doing all the wrong things, because he doesn't care anymore.

But in dating, it's all about biology. You unconsciously seek out things that has nothing to do with equality or, you know, it doesn't follow any social rules. Your genes are selfish. They want to spread. So it looks for things, messy appearances. Laziness. That's a marker of a poor investment of a mate. You see that and you run from it. It's science, nothing more.

GUILFOYLE: Is that what you would do?

GUTFELD: Nobody -- I have never met a sloppy girl, though. Never met a messy girl. They're always very neat.

GUILFOYLE: They exist. They exist. They're in hiding in a witness protection program.

I'm looking at the list. OK from this article. And it's no wonder people are confused. Because so one of the things is don't be too buff. And don't be not athletic. And don't be too chatty. And don't be too quiet. And don't want kids too much. But don't want kids too less. I mean, it's -- basically, I think the best advice is just be yourself.

GUTFELD: Not if you're a horrible person.

GUILFOYLE: No, you've got to pretend -- You've got to pretend to be someone else. How do you think Greg got Elena.

GUTFELD: That's true. I had to lie and lie and lie.

GUILFOYLE: Lie and lie. Exactly, and do the dishes, put it in the Bosch dishwasher.

All right -- Bolling.

BOLLING: So leave it to our producers, who are all single, to do a segment with us, who are all married, except for Kimberly. But...


BOLLING: Dating advice. Since I've been married for 18 years, there is dating advice to dating your spouse. I mean, you have to continue to do it. You have to keep it interesting.

GUILFOYLE: And you hear about it a lot with friends and family.

BOLLING: We go out probably four or five nights, guaranteed two nights a week, and it's date night a couple of times a week. And that keeps it lively. And Greg's right. You just can't go back to the video game guy with his feet up.

PERINO: I hate the video game guy.

GUILFOYLE: That would have worked with you. But humor is a big thing. Peter it's very, very funny. It's great company. Very interesting. So I know that's something that you like a lot.

PERINO: All right. Juan, what have you got for us?

WILLIAMS: Well, I was reading the list. And the thing that jumped out at me is number six, bad in the sack.

GUILFOYLE: Of course.

WILLIAMS: No. 9...


WILLIAMS: ... low libido. Oh, my God. So in other words...

GUILFOYLE: They're screaming, ""ease, tease."

GUTFELD: Juan, I want to you keep talking.

Keep talking, ignore the tease.

WILLIAMS: Ignore the tease. I think I better shut up.

BOLLING: What's so good about that one?

GUILFOYLE: Juan has circled these in red. He's like, wait a minute, this is really bad.


WILLIAMS: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: Wheels came off the bus. But as long as you're good in the mm, you're all right. "One More Thing" is up next.


GUTFELD: Time for "One More Thing" -- Eric.

BOLLING: OK, so I threw the producers under the bus in that last segment. They're all saying take the control room shot, please. There they are. That's Porter, Megan, Susan, Shawn, Amanda, Brooke, Ali and my beloved Mina there. So if anyone is single out there and want to hook up with one of our producers, call.

GUILFOYLE: Megan is married.

BOLLING: Oh, Megan is married! Except for Megan. You can't have Megan.

GUTFELD: But she likes to have fun, I hear.


WILLIAMS: Whoa! Who knew?

BOLLING: Megan can find some, yes.

GUTFELD: Sorry, Megan. Sorry to hassle (ph) you like that.

GUILFOYLE: You can give good...

GUTFELD: You're on a lot of websites, we all know. We all know -- Dana.

GUILFOYLE: Code name Amanda.

PERINO: Kimberly next.

GUTFELD: Oh, is it Kimberly? Kimberly, you're next.

GUILFOYLE: I already started eating mine.

OK. So here's the deal. This is very good news. You can actually eat chocolate cake on a diet. Oh yes. I don't have a lot of support for this theory. But there was one article. So who cares?

Bottom line is it's good to have a cheat day. Plan on cheating, and what you do is you eat your favorite treat. Now I would not suggest...

WILLIAMS: Food, right?

GUILFOYLE: Whatever.

WILLIAMS: No, dating advice.

GUILFOYLE: You have this. Because otherwise, you're like starving yourself and not eating some of the things you like, you're more likely to fail, Greg. You should know that...

GUTFELD: Is this true with diabetics, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, God. Now you're ruining it. It's OK.

GUTFELD: They're not supposed to eat that.

GUILFOYLE: Chocolate cake is delicious, and chocolate is good for you. And French women eat a lot of chocolate.

GUTFELD: Well, case closed, then.

GUILFOYLE: On their skin-sies (ph).

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: And cheese and wine.

Want to get excited about something you can do tonight for fun?

GUTFELD: Oh, really? That again?

PERINO: Well, you can find out what you would look like as a dog. There is a new Twitter account. It's called "you are dog now." And if you follow "you are dog now" and send them a photograph, they will send you back -- very quickly, I found -- a picture of what you would look like as a dog.

So I did the experiment and this is what came back -- OK. There's that dog. It's like a husky. When I was kind of surprised, because I was thinking more along the lines that I should look like, you know, you recognize the one on the right, the brown one, the Jasper one. But it's kind of a fun little thing to do. You are dog now. You can look it up.

GUILFOYLE: You look like a gorgeous dog.

PERINO: All dogs are gorgeous.

GUTFELD: You look like a gorgeous dog.

That's a great compliment.

GUILFOYLE: I think I would look like a poodle or something.

PERINO: You should do it. Everybody should do it and find out.

GUILFOYLE: What would I do?

GUTFELD: You would be one of those dogs that...

GUILFOYLE: A Pekinese?

PERINO: No, she'd probably be a King Charles Cavalier.

GUTFELD: There you go.

All right. I haven't -- you know what I haven't done in a while? This. I haven't banned a phrase. Today, I'm banning closed-door meetings. No one has open-door meetings anyway. They're all dull, and doors are closed. At least when I'm around.

GUILFOYLE: If you say, "I'm having a meeting," you save two words. And that's what it's all about.

PERINO: A closed-door meeting is meant to basically say that you're a lesser form of being and you -- you didn't make it into that meeting.

GUTFELD: All right. Juan.

WILLIAMS: All right. So I'm getting political. I'm being a booster, because National School Choice Week is coming up January 24 to January 30. Of course, to raise awareness of all the options parents have and children have for a better education in this country. It started in 2011. With 150 events, now it's 16,000 events, get that. Catching on like a fire across the nation. So get involved. You can go to my Twitter account, because I care deeply about this issue. Go to my Twitter account for more information.

GUTFELD: Thank you. Well done, Juan. All right. Never miss an episode. That's it for us. "Special Report" is up next.

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