Gun rights advocates speak out after confronting Obama; Geraldo Rivera: No Mexican jail can hold 'El Chapo'

Town hall attendees go on 'Hannity' to give their reaction to the president's answers


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," January 8, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

BRYAN LLENAS, FOX CORRESPONDENT:  This is a "Fox News Alert."  I'm Bryan Llenas in Philadelphia, standing at the intersection where nearly 24 hours ago, Philadelphia police officer Jesse Hartnett was ambushed by a man who says he pledged allegiance to the Islamic State, ISIS, surveillance images capturing the chilling moment 30-year-old Edward Archer attacked Officer Hartnett, shooting at least 13 times as he sat in his police cruiser.

The four-year police veteran was shot three times in the left arm, but miraculously managed to get out of the vehicle, chase and then shoot and wound the suspect.  The officer is in stable condition.

Archer has confessed he attacked Hartnett, quote, "in the name of Islam."  Police are searching his home and investigating on-line activity to determine whether he had direct contact to radical terrorist groups, the FBI now telling Fox News they're looking at trips he made (INAUDIBLE) Egypt or Saudi Arabia.

I'm Bryan Llenas.  Back to "Hannity."

SEAN HANNITY, HOST:  And this is a "Fox News Alert."  Shocking details in the attempted execution of a Philadelphia police officer allegedly done in the name of Islam.  The 30-year-old suspect, dressed in what police say was Muslim garb, was seen here ambushing an officer in his squad car and firing 13 times late last night.  Now, the officer was shot three times in the arm but was able to return fire and wound the suspect as he fled.

Mow, police described the incident and its possible motive in a disturbing press conference earlier today.  Take a look at this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  The manner that he did it, and it seemed he certainly was targeting police.  He wasn't just targeting a motorist driving down the street.  He knew who he was shooting at.

And my God, I mean, the way he's got his arm inside that vehicle, I mean, he knew what he was doing.  He was trying to assassinate this police officer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  The weapon that this male used was a stolen police firearm.  It was stolen back in October of 2013.  It was reported.  And that is one of the things that you absolutely regret the most, when an officer's gun is stolen that is used against one of your own.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Right away, he didn't have anything to say, but then he stated that he pledges his allegiance to Islamic State, he follows Allah, and that is the reason he was called upon to do this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  According to him, he believe that the police defend laws that are contrary to the teachings of the Quran.


HANNITY:  Here with reaction, former CIA operations officer Joshua Katz.  Ahmadiyya Muslim Community spokesman Qasim Rashid is with us, Milwaukee County sheriff David Clarke, former NYPD detective Bo Dietl.

Let's first play for you the police scanner, the officer under fire.  Listen to this.



DISPATCHER:  All cars, stand by.  We have an officer shot (INAUDIBLE) repeating, in the 18th district (INAUDIBLE) we have an officer down.


HANNITY:  All right, here we go, Sheriff Clarke, once again.  It is an example.  Quote, "He had pledged allegiance to Islam," dressed in Muslim garb.  And I'm looking at this -- this guy had his arm inside 13 times!  It's a miracle this cop is alive!  It's a miracle that he was able to have the wherewithal to pull out his gun and fire back!

DAVID CLARKE, MILWAUKEE COUNTY SHERIFF:  Chilling, Sean.  You know, when you listen to this, it's just -- I need America to pray for the speedy recovery of one of Philadelphia's finest.

Look, President Obama's JV team has struck again.  This is not the first time that Islamic terror or Islamic-inspired terror has struck at home here in the United States.

This president is not only unwilling to face the fact that we're being targeted here on the homeland, he is incapable of protecting Americans!

HANNITY:  Yes, I agree.  Bo, you look at this -- he has his arm inside the car!  This is point-blank range, an assassination, an execution!  The wherewithal of this officer, under those circumstances, the fact that he survived any shot this guy, three times, is a miracle!

BO DIETL, FOX CONTRIBUTOR:  It's definitely a miracle.  And again, I want to reiterate my prayers go out.

That was the most chilling sounds because I've heard it a lot when I was on the police department, of 10-13 cop shot (ph), and my hair just stands up.

But I'm going to tell you something right (ph).  Radical Islam -- in the name of Allah -- let's not hide what it is.  This is not a country, it's not just ISIS, it's not al Qaeda, this is a way of thinking.

They're going and they're lashing out at police officers because they are the authority part of the Western world, and the police are the ones that are up front, and the police are taking this, and this is just so horrific right now, and every cop out there has to be careful, keep your eyes around at all times because this is beginning because these psycho lone wolves are sitting home!  We don't have to connect it to ISIS to be Islamic terrorism!  And I'll say it!

HANNITY:  Here's another -- but here's another issue.  If this cop hears the president with his big ton hall on guns last night, which we'll talk about -- if this cop didn't have a gun, he's dead!

DIETL:  What a hero.

HANNITY:  He's gone!

DIETL:  What a hero for him to take being shot three times, shot at 13 times, have the fortitude of getting out of that car and shooting is unbelievable!


HANNITY:  Sheriff, you agree that, this cop's dead without a gun?  He didn't have a weapon, he's finished.

CLARKE:  Oh, without a doubt.  I mean, and that's the thing about the president.  He'll find a way -- he's probably huddling with his aides right now, trying to figure out how he can punish the gun owner, punish the American people or try to blame the cops for what happened here!

This has gone beyond, you know, the things like we saw in San Bernardino, Chattanooga, Tennessee, Garland, Texas.  We are under attack here in the United States, and it is time for the president to put down the ideology and put down all the other nonsense and start protecting Americans here at home!

HANNITY:  You know, Qasim, we have a president that said this is the JV team, that they're contained.  President's wrong again.  President gives a big town hall last night.  Look what happened last night right after the town hall.



RASHID:  Well, Sean, thanks for having me on.  And you know, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community extends our condolences to this officer and commends him for his courage.  There's no doubt about that.  He is in our prayers, as well.

I think we also need to mention that this individual had mental challenges, mental difficulties.

But I think, more importantly, we need to stop talking about the mere rhetoric and talk about the solution.  And to that end, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has launched the True Islam Campaign.  This is an effort to unite Muslims and non-Muslims together on one front against extremist ideology.  I encourage your viewers to check out TrueIslam.com.


HANNITY:  I got it.  But it keeps happening.

RASHID:  Christian, Muslim...

HANNITY:  But it keeps happening.


HANNITY:  It keeps happening in the name of Islam.

RASHID:  It's happening -- Sean, it's -- I think we agree on this, it's happening because of inconsistent Muslim leadership.  And what the True Islam campaign does -- it's a non-sectarian campaign that asks Muslims of all backgrounds, that asks Christians, Jews, atheists...

HANNITY:  All right, let me go to...

RASHID:  ... to be united against extremist ideology.

HANNITY:  Joshua Katz, what are we missing when a president of the United States can't come to terms with radical Islamic terrorism, denies its existence for the most part, won't say its name, in spite all of the information he has available to him?  He talks about it being contained and the JV team, et cetera.  How can he be so wrong?

JOSHUA KATZ, FORMER CIA OPERATIONS OFFICER:  It's an absolute joke!  And Sean, here is the message the president needs to send to the world, not only ISIS but extremists all over the world.  As a former Army Ranger and CIA officer, listen, ISIS -- we're going to come for you.  We are going to roll over you in a way that you cannot...

HANNITY:  But not this president!

KATZ:  ... possibly imagine!  No, Sean, but we are coming for them.  And it's going to maybe take us a little while to get our stuff straight, but we are going to come in such a violent way that the extremists are not going to see it coming!  We are going to get our stuff together because we are America, and this police officer shows us what America and our fortitude really is, and they should be scared of us, not us of them!

HANNITY:  You know, but you got, Sheriff Clarke, a convergence of two issues here, that the president -- wrong on terrorism, unable to say "radical Islamic terrorism," and his ridiculous position on guns.  And so, you know, again, if we go back, the cop is a sitting duck without a weapon here.

CLARKE:  Absolutely.

HANNITY:  It saved his life here!


CLARKE:  These individuals should be charged with -- these individuals should be charged with treason.  If he's an American citizen, he forfeits his citizenship.  He should be charged as an enemy combatant, held at Gitmo and he should not have access to...

HANNITY:  All right...


HANNITY:  ... from Gitmo.

CLARKE:  He should be tried in a military court, and if convicted, he should be executed.


HANNITY:  Let me ask this -- so the president is all upset about guns, same guy that's going to give the Iranians nukes, the same guy that has let illegal immigrant criminals go out, some of whom have committed murder after we had them in custody, you know, the same president that is wrong on all of these issues. and he let out 650-some-odd Gitmo terrorists to return to the battlefield.

DIETL:  And then he has an executive order -- he has executive order against the possession of firearms.  We have 21 to 30 American GIs killing themselves every day, 30,000 this year!  I think there should be an executive order to help these military guys who are killing themselves!  That's what he should be doing in the White House, put an executive order...


HANNITY:  Rules of engagement.  Their hands are tied, Bo.


KATZ:  This is exactly the case in point for why we need to take this fight overseas.  The average American here is terrified, and they're terrified because they see a president who is unwilling to act overseas.

Let us take the fight over there.  Let's protect America.  Let's protect our families.  Let's protect our police officers and take this fight to the enemy!  We're not doing...


HANNITY:  We got to run here.

RASHID:  ... ideological win, and that's at TrueIslam.com.

All right, coming up -- brand-new Fox polls have been released.  By the way, our thoughts and prayers are with that cop and that officer and all the cops in Philly.

We'll bring you the latest poll numbers when we get back.

But first, tonight on "Hannity"...


KIMBERLY CORBAN, GUN ADVOCATE AND RAPE SURVIVOR:  Why can't your administration see that see the restrictions that you're putting to make it harder for me to own a gun or harder for me to take (ph) that where I need to be is actually just making my kids and I less safe?


HANNITY:  Tonight, you'll meet that brave woman and others who confronted President Obama at last night's town hall on guns.  They will join us next.

And later -- the notorious drug kingpin El Chapo has been caught.  Geraldo Rivera has the very latest, and much more.


HANNITY:  And welcome back to "Hannity."  So last night, the president participated in a town hall that was focused on guns.  Now, during the hour, the president was confronted by multiple gun rights advocates.  Tonight, we have three of the town hall members who spoke up about the president's restrictive new executive actions.

Joining us first, you meet Kimberly Corban, and she had this to say to the president.


KIMBERLY CORBAN, GUN ADVOCATE AND RAPE SURVIVOR:  As a survivor of rape and now mother to two small children, you know, it seems like being able to purchase a firearm of my choosing and being able to carry that wherever me and my family are -- it seems like my basic responsibility as a parent at this point.  I have been unspeakably victimized once already, and I refuse to let that happen again to myself or my kids.

So why can't your administration see that these restrictions that you're putting to make it harder for me to own a gun or harder for me to take that where I need to be is actually just making my kids and I less safe?


HANNITY:  Kimberly now joins us.  Kimberly, thank you for being with us.  And let me first say, on behalf of a lot of people, it's very strong of you to tell your story, and we're sorry anybody has to go through that.

Thank you for being here.  Were you happy with the president's answer?

CORBAN:  You know, I have to say, it was kind of a non-answer moreso than anything.  I feel like I wasn't necessarily listened to, but at the same time, he knew how he was going to respond.

I didn't go into that town hall thinking that I was going to change his mind, by any means, but it was more about starting a larger discussion across the country about sexual assault, victimization, and my right and everyone else's right to choose how we defend ourselves.

HANNITY:  One of the things I've always worried about -- and I wonder how you feel about this.  What about women that find themselves in a situation where either a boyfriend or a spouse threatens to kill them that day?  "I'm going to kill you later."

Do they have the right -- shouldn't they have a right to go to a gun store when the direct threat has been made to them and purchase a weapon and protect themselves, especially under a specific threat?

CORBAN:  Yes.  Absolutely.  And unfortunately, we can't do that at this point.  I know all too well that, you know, the officers -- just like the officer that we've been hearing all the audio on, they're there to protect us as much as possible.  But very, very seldom do you actually get there at a time that a crime is taking place or within a few seconds afterwards.

HANNITY:  Yes.  You know...

CORBAN:  The best line of defense, obviously, is going to be ourselves.

HANNITY:  I've always asked people that have a different view than I do -- and obviously, you and I agree -- what do you do if you're in that room in San Bernardino or a similar situation or who do you do if somebody breaks into your house?  And the answer is if you don't have the ability to protect yourself, there's nothing really you can do against an armed assailant.  Isn't that the real answer?

CORBAN:  Right.  Absolutely, it is.  And I think that what we were distracted by so much with President Obama last night was that we were going into this, What if, what if.  And he refused to stay on the topic of the fact that I was, indeed, assaulted, but he's going into talking about what am I going to do with my kids.  Well, that gun is in my house now.  What do you think about that?  And kind of just took the conversation in a different direction.

But the fact of the matter is, this did happen and my rapist did not need a gun to complete his sexual assault on me, but I needed a gun to defend myself because I was there completely helpless thinking, This is how I'm going to die.

HANNITY:  A lot of people admire your strength.  And thank you for sharing your story.  Thank you, Kimberly.

CORBAN:  Thank you so much.

HANNITY:  My next guest is a gun range owner, vice president of the American Firearms Retailers Association.  Last night, he challenged the president on the effectiveness of his executive actions.  Let's watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Everything I read says gun sales have been going up.  Every time he talks about guns, gun sales go up.

KRIS JACOB, AMERICAN FIREARMS RETAILERS ASSOC.:  It's been busy.  And certainly, I think that shows, as Taya said earlier, that there's a very serious concern in this country about personal security.

My question is around the executive order related to the investigators, the inspectors, the adding of 200 inspectors who are more on the auditing and record-keeping side.  Why not add 200 ATF agents on the law enforcement side to keep the criminals and the bad guys out of the stores in the first place?


HANNITY:  All right, Kris Jacob joins us now.  You know, Kris, since Obama's been president, both smith And Wesson, the guns -- the number one gun dealer in the country, manufacturer, and Ruger -- their stocks are up over 900 percent!  Is that a realistic fear do you think people have?

JACOB:  I do think the fear is real.  I think that individual Concerns about personal security are very real.  I see it every day in my store, the 53,000 federally licensed dealers in the U.S.   We talk to a great number of them through the American Firearms Retailers network.  It's out there.  And every time one of these events happens, that fear gets greater and greater.

The fear of the corporations is not really a concern here.  I don't think anybody...

HANNITY:  Well, the fear that -- you know, the president often uses the analogy of Australia.  But Australia was involved in gun confiscation.  And so the president complained last night, it's a conspiracy, then why does he keep using that analogy?

JACOB:  It's a tough one, especially if you talk to the farmers in the outback in Australia because they actually need these tools.  I grew up on a ranch in Missouri, and we used firearms all the time as tools.  It wasn't a self-defense thing necessarily, but it was part of how we protected ourselves when we were out in the middle of nowhere.

And that's not the only reason.  I think the wilderness can come to your doorstep at any time, and you know, Kimberly's a great example of that, and bad things happen to great people in good places.  And this is a challenge that almost everyone, 51 percent of whom are women, come through our doors to get trained, educated, first and foremost, and then use tools of self- defense to their advantage.

HANNITY:  All right.  Kris Jacobs, thank you so much for sharing your story and confronting the president last night.  We appreciate it.

Joining us now, Arizona sheriff who called President Obama out last night in a pretty tense exchange.  Watch this.


SHERIFF PAUL BABEU, PINAL COUNTY, AZ:  The talk and why we're here are all these mass shootings, and yet you've said in your executive action it wouldn't have solved even one of these...


BABEU:  Well...

OBAMA:  I didn't say it wouldn't solve one.

BABEU:  (INAUDIBLE) the information -- What would it have solved?  Now, no...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  None of the recent mass shootings, I should point out, none of the guns were purchased from an unlicensed dealer.

BABEU:  Correct.  What would you have done to prevent these mass shootings and the terrorist attacked (ph), and how do we get those with mental illness and criminals?  That's the real problem here.  How are we going to get them to follow the laws?


HANNITY:  Joining us now, Pinal County sheriff Paul Babeu is with -- Babeu is with us.  I was really glad you brought this up.  You know, supposedly, what jump-started the president's executive actions, which I believe are illegal and unconstitutional and bypassing the legislative branch -- separate issue...

BABEU:  Yes.

HANNITY:  But it was supposedly all these incidents, but not one of those incidents would have been prevented by what he's proposing!  What does that tell you?

BABEU:  Tells you he's really not interested, and that's -- was my hope in asking that.  I really wanted not to talk past the president but to have him answer that.

If this is the true concern, the underlying mental health concerns and the facts that criminals are the ones committing these crimes, they are not going to follow not just any law, any executive action that the president takes.  And so who does it affect?  It affects all of us as law-abiding citizens.

And we as cops can't be everywhere, as already pointed out, and citizens, law-abiding citizens, who want to have a firearm to protect themselves and their families.

HANNITY:  You know, he has all of the security he needs.  You know, look at this cop.

BABEU:  Yes.

HANNITY:  This cop in Philly didn't have a gun, he wouldn't be alive today.  You know, the president said something that really struck me, though, last night, and I want to get your overall impression of him, but also, when he said, I've never owned a gun -- well, I've been shooting guns since I'm 11.  I've owned a gun since I'm 12.  He -- I don't -- I don't think he understands guns at all!  And criminals certainly -- they're not going to obey the laws by the very definition.

BABEU:  Absolutely.  And here I was in uniform last night, and I had to be disarmed as a sheriff because the president had to be safe.  And yet every other American out there, he doesn't want to fully allow us to be able to protect ourselves and...

HANNITY:  What was your take on him, though?  What did you feel -- what was your impression of him?

BABEU:  I think he's very smooth.  He's very kind.  I tried to be, as all of us were, not just civil, respectful.  He was listening to us, but he wasn't responding.

HANNITY:  He made up his mind.

BABEU:  He was just saying whatever he wanted to say.  He made up his mind.  
And this is where the focus -- $500 million isn't going to cut it for mental health.


BABEU:  Half of my jail is full with criminals who have underlying mental health issues.  That's the real focus.

HANNITY:  Yes.  And he took a cheap shot at the NRA.  Why should the NRA show up where they get one pre-screened question?  That would have been a waste of their time.

BABEU:  Well, the NRA -- and that's the story here, Sean.  The NRA did show up.  I'm a life member of the NRA, and a lot of us are.  We are the NRA.

HANNITY:  That's a good point.  But I don't blame them under those circumstances.  It would have been a full debate, sure.  Pre-screened questions, no thank you.

Thank you so much for being with us, Sheriff.  Appreciate it.

BABEU:  Thank you.

HANNITY:  All right, when we come back, we have brand-new Fox poll numbers just released this evening.  We'll have those latest numbers out of Iowa, New Hampshire and much more.  We'll check in with Tucker Carlson, Charles Hurt, Jonah Goldberg.  They're here with reaction.

Plus, the infamous Mexican drug lord El Chapo -- well, guess what?  Finally recaptured in Mexico.  Geraldo is here to discuss.  And Judge Jeanine Pirro joins us to break down the Netflix super-hit "Making a Murderer."  She and I disagree on this.

That's all coming up.


HANNITY:  And welcome back to "Hannity."  The presidential campaign is heating up, as a brand-new Fox News national poll shows Donald Trump in first place with 35 percent, followed by Texas senator Ted Cruz, who has 20 percent, followed by Marco Rubio, Dr. Ben Carson, former governor Jeb Bush.  
They round out the top five.

Meanwhile, very close in Iowa, Senator Cruz takes the top spot with 27 percent, Donald Trump in second place with 23 percent.  Marco Rubio comes in third.  And finally, in the all-important state of New Hampshire, Trump leads there with 33 percent of the vote, with senator Marco Rubio now coming in second and Senator Cruz in third.

So with 24 days until the Iowa caucuses, what do these polls mean for the GOP field?  Joining us now with reaction from The Washington Times, Charles Hurt, and from National Review, Jonah Goldberg, and Fox news contributor, and of course, the host of "Fox & Friends Weekend," our friend, Tucker Carlson.

Let me first show one other thing, and I'll put this up on the screen.  In New Hampshire, Bernie Sanders is crushing Hillary Clinton 50 to 37!  That was a pretty interesting number in the polls.

All right, Tucker, what do you out of all this?

TUCKER CARLSON, HOST, "FOX AND FRIENDS WEEKEND":  The interesting thing about Trump's numbers, when you break them down, is he's basically achieving what Republicans have wanted to achieve for about three presidential cycles.  He's bringing people into the Republican fold who weren't there previously.

Some of them are conservatives, but Cruz is actually winning conservatives in most states.  He's bringing a lot of people who might vote Democrat, but aren't.  And they've made hard...


HANNITY:  Evangelicals in this poll went more for Trump than Cruz...

CARLSON:  By a small margin.

HANNITY:  ... but it was very close.

CARLSON:  But in New Hampshire, for example, you've got 79 percent of people supporting Trump saying, That's it, I'm not moving my vote, whereas the other candidates have much more fickle support.  He is -- who knows if it'll last, but right now, he's doing what they said they wanted to do, expanding the pool of voters.

HANNITY:  Jonah, you've not been the biggest Trump fan.  Looking at these numbers, you've got to be coming to the reality here that there's a strong chance he becomes the nominee.  Now, if Byron York is right -- he wrote a piece last night -- that Trump's numbers are probably stronger than what they're showing in Iowa -- if he wins Iowa and New Hampshire, can he be stopped?

JONAH GOLDBERG, NATIONAL REVIEW:  It's hard to see it.  I mean, it does mean that eventually, you're going to have a King Kong versus Godzilla a fight between Cruz and Trump, if that happens, in South Carolina or elsewhere.

You know, the thing is, what's remarkable to me about Cruz is for all this talk about an outsider and unconventional and an insurgent candidate, he has run the most disciplined, traditional ground game campaign in Iowa that we've seen in a really long time.

HANNITY:  And Rich Lowry had a good piece saying that exact same thing today.  I tend to agree with you.  I was...

GOLDBERG:  He's been very disciplined.

HANNITY:  Yes.  And Charles, you've been more Trump-supportive.  He doesn't have to win Iowa.  I would say that on paper, probably, Cruz is the favorite, and the polls bear that out.

CHARLES HURT, WASHINGTON TIMES:  I mean, honestly, Sean, the fact that Donald Trump is able to collect 19 percent of the white evangelical vote in Iowa is pretty amazing, when you think of it.  You know, he's a loud, brash, swash-buckling, Yankee, you know, rude New Yorker, billionaire real estate mogul.  And you know, Iowans don't normally go for that kind of thing, but he hasn't changed, you know, the product at all.  He just goes out there, he says what he says.  And he's even insulted them and -- which is also a terrible thing, usually, to do to Iowa voters, but they seem to sort of -- you know, he...

HANNITY:  I think we get Trump now, and I think people are warming up to it.  All right, here's the question.  Who does better in the general election, if it's Trump or Cruz?  They're the two top leaders.  Which one do you think does better?  For example, unanswered questions.  Does Trump bring in a state, a blue state like New York...


HANNITY:  ... where he's really well liked?

CARLSON:  Which is entirely -- I just have to echo what Charlie said.  He actually called the voters of Iowa stupid!


CARLSON:  He said, You must be stupid.

HANNITY:  Not voting for me.

CARLSON:  And he's still within 3 points of Ted Cruz!  I mean, look, this is a separate question from who would be a better president, but it's pretty clear, looking at the exchange between Hillary...

HANNITY:  I want to know who can win.

CARLSON:  Who can win?  Look at the exchange in the last two weeks.  Hillary Clinton calls Donald Trump sexist.  Alone among the field, Donald Trump makes the obvious point that everyone knows but everyone's afraid to say out loud.  Are you kidding?  You're married to Bill Clinton!  You attacked a bunch of women he abused!  Are you joking?  You're an advocate for women?

Nobody -- the remarkable thing is not just that Trump said that -- it's obvious -- But that nobody else did.  So what does that tell you?

HANNITY:  It shows -- that's why he's liked.  I mean, Jonah, you've got to give him credit.  The guy breaks every politically correct ceiling that exists out there.  But in a general election -- and I know you're not as big a supporter -- who does better, you think, Trump or Cruz, if they go up against Hillary?

GOLDBERG:  Well, look, it's very difficult to -- to predict how Trump will do in these kinds of things because he breaks all -- as you say, he breaks all of these rules. It's like monkey running around NORAD.  You don't know what he's going to do.  

HANNITY:  You're not going to like that analogy there, Jonah.


HANNITY:  I'm expecting a tweet coming your way in about 30 seconds.  

GOLDBERG:  By the way, you're right.  He violates political correctness, but he uses political correctness against people he doesn't like.  He uses it against me more than once.  That said, I don't know.  The problem that we have with Trump is that he is not all that appealing across outside basically the white demographic.  

HANNITY:  Does he have more supporters than maybe have shown up in the polls?  That's a possibility.

GOLDBERG:  Maybe.  

HANNITY:  Let me ask you this --

GOLDBERG:  If he breaks all the rules, maybe he'll keep doing it.

HANNITY:   Where does the establishment go?  If Trump or Cruz wins, where does the establishment go?  Are they going to pick up their toys like little babies and go home and say we didn't get our candidate through?  

GOLDBERG:  I doubt it.  It depends on what you mean by "establishment," which I actually think is one of the most ludicrous, misused terms out there.  

HANNITY:  No, I don't think so.  We all know what we are talking about.  

GOLDBERG:  How do you define establishment, Sean?  

HANNITY:  The establishment is the Republicans in D.C. that 60 percent of Republicans feel betrayed by, that won't use the power of the purse and let the president get away with executive amnesty, that never have used the power of the purse on Obamacare, that really won't use the power of the purse on executive action on guns.  Those are the establishment guys that are hated.  

TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS HOST:  Here's the question.  If Trump is the nominee, will he get a higher portion of black and Hispanic votes than Mitt Romney did in 2012?  

HANNITY:  Good question.  You know that he will.  It's also the establishment would be the Lindsey Grahams and the John McCains, you know, what was the term that he used, John McCain, "wacko-bird."  Anyway, Charles, we'll give you the last word.  

CHARLES HURT, WASHINGTON TIMES:  Well, and there's no doubt in my mind that Donald Trump would, you know, all the prediction so far have been exactly wrong about this.  I think Donald Trump would appeal and represent to a whole new group of voters, would appeal to a lot of Democrats.  People all across the spectrum are fed up with this place, and I think -- hey, we've done the same thing over and over and over again, and it's not working.  Let's try something different.  

HANNITY:   Yes.  I think a lot of American people feel that way.  All right, we're going to watch.  A lot of unanswered questions.  Thanks, guys.  Have a great weekend.  

Coming up, the notorious Mexican drug lord "El Chapo" was recaptured earlier today.  Geraldo is on the case.  He has the latest details.  

Plus, the hit Netflix series "Making a Murderer" has taken the country by storm.  Now it also inspired a White House petition.  Judge Jeanine and I disagree about the guilt of Steve Avery.  We'll talk about it straight ahead.  


PATRICIA STARK, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT:  This is a Fox News alert.  I'm Patricia Stark in New York.  The NYPD is tonight warning officers to be extra vigilant following an attack on a Philadelphia policeman.  The ambush was caught on a surveillance camera.  It happened shortly before midnight last night.  The gunman opened fire on the officer 13 times as he sat in his patrol car.  But the officer survived.  The FBI is now investigating reports that the suspect traveled twice to the Middle East.  He said he acted in the name of Islam.  

Mexican drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman is behind bars again following a deadly shootout between his men and Mexican marines.  Five of Guzman's accomplices were killed in an early morning raid in his home state of Sinaloa.  An arsenal recovered included a rocket propelled grenade launcher.  Guzman tunneled out of the maximum security prison six months ago.  

I'm Patricia Stark.  And now back to HANNITY.

HANNITY:  Welcome back to HANNITY.  Earlier today Mexican authorities announced the recapture of the notorious drug lord "El Chapo" Guzman.  He was apprehended in a shootout in his home state in Mexico.  Five people were killed, one Mexican marine was wounded in this raid.  El Chapo's capture comes after six months after his brazen prison escape, remember, this past July through that mile-long tunnel.  Joining us now, he was down there himself, Fox News senior correspondent, our friend, Geraldo.  That was an amazing -- I've never seen an escape like that.  We've got the video of it, and you were there?  

GERALDO RIVERA, FOX NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT:  Well, you assigned many me to cover it for the program.  I went down, proud to.  It was amazing, Sean.  It was one of the most spectacular prison escapes ever.  The tunnel that this man built, the mile-long, three stories underground with ventilation and lighting, and a motorcycle, it was just amazing how much -- where did all of this dirt go that nobody in Mexico recognized the fact that tons and tons of earth was being moved.  

And not only that, not only was it a mile long, but it comes up under the prison, not just under the prison, not just in El Chapo's cell, but in the one corner of his cell where the surveillance camera could not see was a toilet area.  He goes there, disappears, he's gone for six months.  Humiliation to the Mexican people and the Mexico president.  This was a blow.  This was the second time he had escaped.  The United States had tried hard to extradite him to this country for the charges.  He is the person single most responsible person for the flood of heroin and other hard drugs on the streets of places like Chicago.  He's indicted in seven U.S. district courts including the southern district of New York and Chicago.  We need him.  We want him in our prison.

HANNITY:  Will Mexico send him over, or no?  

RIVERA:  Well, that's the big question.  That's the $64 question.  The last time they said, no, it's Mexican sovereignty.  It's our national pride.  We can hold him, we can keep him.  We'll put him in our version of a super max.  Guess what, he escaped again.  Why does he escape?  He escapes because he's a billionaire.  So he's a billionaire with all kinds of muscle.  Think of what the old mafia in this country and then do it by a 1,000 on steroids.  

HANNITY:  Yes.  

RIVERA:  He goes to a prison guard and says you make $200 a week.  I'll tell you what.  I'll give you $200,000 if you turn the other way or if you get this wrench in to me and this shovel into me.  And by the way, if you don't take the $200,000, I'm going to kill your wife and rape your daughter.  That's your option.  And they play along.  That's why he must be extradited, get him out of that system in our jail.  

HANNITY:  So no matter what jail they put him in in Mexico, you're convinced he probably will get out again?  

RIVERA:  No matter what facility they keep him in, there is no doubt in my mind but that it is vulnerable to him either by violent intimidation or outright bribery or mostly a combination of both.  

HANNITY:  Here is what is really evil and insidious.  Watching one show where literally these Mexican drug cartels are looking to target neighborhoods all over America where they know that these kids are getting hooked on pain pills, Vicodin, Percocet, Oxycontin.  Then all of a sudden they can't pay $80 a pill but they can pay $10 for a bag for heroin, and heroin is now becoming again like in the '70s in New York and elsewhere a massive epidemic, and they are targeting these areas.  

RIVERA:  You are absolutely right.  In New Hampshire, this is the biggest -

HANNITY:  In New Hampshire?  

RIVERA:  But just stick on the nation's first primary state, the granite state of New Hampshire.  You think of it as suburban largely and rural.  They have one overdose death a day.  They've had 50 already in Manchester over the last year.  This is a plague on the state.  It is the biggest political issue.  Chris Christie is surging because of the perception that he's most able to deal with this particular problem.  There is no doubt -- you and I fight about immigration, but there is no doubt that the southern border right now is supplying the dope that is poisoning America.  

HANNITY:  So you agree with me, build the wall?  Build the wall, Geraldo.

RIVERA:  How you deal with the problem, we have to deal with the problem, but we have to salute jointly, Sean, this triumph of Mexico law enforcement.  

HANNITY:  I agree.

RIVERA:  They went in there, this violent shootout, they took down five of his bodyguards.  But, and this is a big but, the lieutenant, Cruz is his last name, escaped.  

HANNITY:  Geraldo, great reporting for us down there.  Thank you very much.  

All right, when we come back, everyone is talking about the hit Netflix series "Making a Murderer." Viewers are now asking the White House to get involved.  Judge Jeanine Pirro and I, we disagree on the guilt or innocence in this case.  We'll explain when we come back.  


HANNITY:  Welcome back to "Hannity."  A brand-new Netflix documentary called "Making a Murderer" is causing quite a stir across the United States now that many of its viewers believe that that the documentary's two subject, convicted murderer Steve Avery and Brendan Dassey are actually innocent.  In fact more than 100,000 people have now petitioned the White House to pardon the two convicted killers.  But the White House has denied the petition, writing in part, quote, "The president cannot pardon a state criminal offense."

Joining us now with reaction, the host of "Justice with Judge Jeanine," who is doing a special on this, Judge Jeanine Pirro.  I'm up to episode eight.  There's what, ten, so I have a couple more to go.  But I have a lot of problems with this.  This guy Avery spent 18 years in jails, was exonerated for a rape he didn't commit.  Fact.


HANNITY:  OK.  Now, we've got this case of the murder.  It looks horrible.  He has a junkyard.  The body is incinerated in the junkyard.  Tell me the evidence in the case as you watched it that ties him to that murder.  

PIRRO:  It's called motive, means, and opportunity.  Number one, he was obsessed with her.  She was afraid of him.  

HANNITY:  Where did you get the obsession from?  

PIRRO:  Because she had been there six times and --

HANNITY:  He own as junkyard because he sells a lot of cars.  

PIRRO:  Wait.  He calls her at 8:20 and he tells them he wants the girl that is always there to come back and take a photograph.  Then he calls her directly on his cell twice and hits star 67 so she doesn't pick up the phone, or she doesn't know it's him, because he knows she's afraid of him.  She's gone back to work and she says she's creeped out by him because he answered the door in a towel and she just doesn't like it.  

HANNITY:  In the documentary they didn't identified that as this being the person she was creeped out by.  They did talk --  

PIRRO:  I'm glad you brought it up.  I don't think it's a documentary.  A documentary suggests that there are facts and that it's balanced.  There is-- this is all about the angst of the defense, and it's horrible for anyone in the justice system to go through this.  What about her family?  

HANNITY:  Back in 85 when they took a blood sample from Avery, OK, so the evidence was sealed.  But the box was broken into.  It was still liquid, and it looked like a syringe had been put in the top and blood was drawn and might have been planted in the car.  That should concern you.  

PIRRO:  I'll tell you why it doesn't.  

HANNITY:  Why?  

PIRRO:  Because anyone who has dealt with crime labs as I have knows that whenever you have a vial of blood in a felony case there is a preservative called EDTA that's put in there.  There was no preservative.  

HANNITY:  You have testimony from the FBI confirms your argument, but you had counter testimony that contradicted it and said you cannot not necessarily find that.  

PIRRO:  In order for you to believe that this guy didn't do it, you would have to believe that the police in two counties, the judges, the D.A. --  

HANNITY:  No.  One county.  


HANNITY:  Can I ask you a question?  

PIRRO:  Sure.  

HANNITY:  How come it took the police seven trips to this guy's trailer to find the key to the woman's car that was sitting there in plain sight?  

PIRRO:  Let me ask you a question.  

HANNITY:  No.  Don't answer my question with a question.  

PIRRO:  Have you seen that bedroom?  

HANNITY:  Excuse me.

PIRRO:  Have you seen that bedroom.

HANNITY:  The key was sitting in plain sight.  How could you miss it on six separate occasions.

PIRRO:  He said they shook the cabinet and it came off.  

HANNITY:  You don't buy that, do you?  

PIRRO:  No, I don't.  

HANNITY:  They planted a key, then why wouldn't they plant the blood?  

PIRRO:  Because who do you think wiped her DNA off that key?  

HANNITY:  Maybe the cops who wanted to set him up.  

PIRRO:  No.  Only him.  You don't wipe the victims, they --

HANNITY:  With this 16-year-old kid in this documentary, OK, do you, they use the term his I.Q. was low.  Let me put it that way.  He's a nice kid.  He's sitting there like this.  

PIRRO:  How do you know he's a nice kid?  

HANNITY:  OK.  He's sitting there like this.  And the cops are bullying him without a lawyer, putting words in his mouth, that making him confess, then, he goes and he signs -- I apologize.  He said five times, did you do it?  No.  No.  The guy coerces him to draw this picture, draw that picture, draw this picture.  

PIRRO:  I'm going to save you sometime.  I agree with you.  

HANNITY:  So he should have been found not guilty.  

PIRRO:  I don't think he should have been found not guilty, but I think that his lawyer.

HANNITY:  That guy was an idiot.

PIRRO:  And for Avery to claim ineffective assistance of counsel when he had the best lawyers I've ever seen --  

HANNITY:  Those lawyers were great.

PIRRO:  It's Brendan Dassey who needed -- he was slow.  There is no question, Sean, I have problems with that.

HANNITY:  What they did to him was cruel and unusual and over the line and-- sorry.  That is not right.  

PIRRO:  What they did to the victim in this case is cruel and unusual.  Shot was shot and raped and tortured and stabbed and burned.  

HANNITY:  But you haven't given me the evidence that any one of these two did it.

PIRRO:  I'm going to give it to you.  

HANNITY:  I'm waiting.  

PIRRO:  Number one, why is Avery's blood in the car?  

HANNITY:  Why does the vial of blood have a hole in the top of it?

PIRRO:  His blood is in the car because he cut his finger.  Her body is in the car because until they figured out what they're going to do with it, they put her body in the car.  

Number two, how is the sweat DNA under the hood of her car?  You cannot transfer sweat DNA.  How is it that her blood is a bullet fragment in the garage?  

HANNITY:  The blood fragment that was found on the fifth trip to the garage?

PIRRO:  Put up a picture, I couldn't find a house there.  

HANNITY:  You can find out more.  If you haven't been watching it, it's really worth watching.  It's very fascinating.

PIRRO:  Right.  

HANNITY:  It's Sunday night, 8:00 p.m.  Judge Jeanine Pirro is hosting a special on this very topic and it's called "Steve Avery, Guilty or Framed?"  That's tomorrow and Sunday night, 8:00 p.m.  

Coming up, we need your help.  Our "Question of the Day" is straight ahead.


HANNITY:  Time for our "Question of the Day." So is the Obama administration taking the Islamic threat in the U.S. seriously?  It's sad what happened to that Philly officer.  Our thoughts and prayers are with him.  We want your thoughts.  Go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.  

You've been sending in your questions to me all day.  Time for our "Ask Sean" segment.  


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Hey, Sean.  Just wondering who are you pulling for in the NCAA championship game, roll tide, or tigers?  Go `bama.  


HANNITY:  All right, that's an easy one.  My wife graduated from the University of Alabama.  Love Nick Saban, think he's one of the best coaches.  He wasn't very friendly in my house the time they played Notre Dame because I was pulling for Notre Dame.  But I'm all roll tide.  But Clemson should be proud of the great year they had.  We'll see what happens.

That's all the time we have left this evening.  Thanks for being with us.  Hope you have a great weekend.  We'll see you back here next week.  


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