Rhetoric the only response to North Korea's H-bomb claim?

White House says there's no evidence to support Pyongyang's hydrogen bomb announcement


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 6, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Is North Korea getting closer to making a nuclear bomb? Or did it just pull a stunt to make the world think it is? The country claimed it conducted its first hydrogen bomb test last night, but the White House says there's no evidence to support that.


JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The initial analysis that's been conducted of the events that reported overnight is not consistent with North Korean claims of a successful hydrogen bomb test. There's nothing that's occurred in the last 24 hours that is caused the United States government to change our assessment of North Korea's technical and military capabilities.


PERINO: The U.N. Security Council today unanimously condemned the action and pledged to pursue new sanctions. Former army Vice Chief of Staff General Jack Keane is weighing in on a North Korea's possible motives.


GENERAL JACK KEANE, FORMER UNITED STATES ARMY VICE CHIEF OF STAFF: The pattern of their behavior usually when they have provocation, when they find artillery shells at the South Koreans or they're doing something with the South Korean ships, or they're doing a nuclear ballistic test, what happens, at some point, there are some concessions made to get them back into discussion that is probably where they're heading. It's difficult to get inside their head and speculate is what we have left to do. But I think strong response by the U.N., certainly strong response by the United States, and up our game in that part of the world, I don't believe this administration will do much of anything except rhetoric.


PERINO: Eric, North Korea probably feeling a little neglected of late because we've been talking about -- yes. So, and you know, they do this every once in a while. They -- I just don't see how do you fake a seismic event like that. Maybe it wasn't a hydrogen bomb, but they're certainly up to something.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yeah, and even if it's not now, eventually they're going to get it. Here's the -- so how do you deal with it? The U.N., OK. They strongly, strongly-worded comment, big deal, right? The U.S. says don't do that anymore, big deal, they hate us, too. The only one that can really have influence on North Korea is China. So we would have to kneel -- lean on China a little bit, to lean on North Korea to cut it out. Stop it. No one wants you with another bomb. If they don't already have -- I mean, some people think they already have it, whatever, they do or they don't. So China needs to lean on. Also, they're very friendly with the Iranians, right?


BOLLING: There's a lot of --

GUILFOYLE: And Syrians.

BOLLING: The school of thought is that the Iranians have put them up to this. Don't forget what happened when we talked about it yesterday. Well, last week was when the Iranians tested their own ballistic missile in the Persian Gulf, right next to an aircraft carrier. They're in the business of provocation. The question is how -- what do you do with it? And again, I'll say it again -- take the money back. Don't give them the $150 billion that you're about to turn over to them. Say no, not until all of these things are settled, including stop playing around with the North Koreans.

PERINO: That's an interesting point because Juan, one of the reasons that the moderates in Iran were having a little -- an ability to get a foothold, was that the economy in Iran is bad and so the younger people are saying like, we should do something different. We've looked at different leadership. And now, we are going to give them $150 million.

BOLLING: That's billion.

PERINO: Billion dollars, to actually help their economy and get the hardliners back on stable ground.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I think it's -- first of all, what Eric said is actually true. I think that they are provocateurs, globally, and not to be relied upon. The larger goal, as I've said before is to try to keep nukes away from the Iranian regime. It's not in the U.S. or global best interests. When it comes to North Korea, though, I think again, coming back to what Eric said, I think we're really talking about China having the leverage here. And China, in the statements that they put out today is very unhappy. Very unhappy with what North Korea is doing. And the Japanese -- well, it's not the right term, but they're going ballistic over what North Koreans are doing. So the neighborhood is in an uproar right now. There is nobody but the Chinese, who I think have direct influence, I don't think the Iranians, I mean, it haven't been proven to me. I see no evidence of it.


WILLIAMS: Are the direct link to what happened in North Korea.

PERINO: But let me remind you, I think we're talking in the green room with Greg about -- it was North Korea that helped the Syrians build the nuclear facility that the Israelis bombed in 2007.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: That's right.

PERINO: So there is a connection.

GUTFELD: I was explaining that to you because it was the first.


PERINO: Right. That's exactly how I remember that conversation.

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly. I'm glad I brought that information to light. But this is, this should be directed to anyone with a co-exist bumper sticker on their car. This is not one world, right? This is not one world. Anybody with that bumper sticker should go to North Korea. We have to remember that cultural relativism is an evil. There are some cultures that are better than others. And the proof of that is the lesser cultures want to destroy the better cultures. That's why North Korea is a provocateur because they are worthless. They're like the guy at the gym who wear as sleeveless shirt and grunt while he does his squats, but he is in terrible shape, in terrible shape. The upside North Korea --

GUILFOYLE: It starts somewhere.

GUTFELD: I know.

GUILFOYLE: And I don't know.

GUTFELD: I start wearing a sleeveless shirt.



GUTFELD: It was -- but the one difference between a state like North Korea or Russia or Iran, they're not suicidal. That is the advancement in terror. The fact that put things like ISIS, believe that martyrdom is key to their whole premise. So that's, that's what makes North Korea less important than ISIS, because ISIS is willing to kill everyone and themselves.

PERINO: In the meantime, the humanitarian situation about, we have the refugee crisis on the continent of Europe and leaving Syria in the Middle East, but the situation in North Korea, for those people is there is dire and we know it.

GUILFOYLE: It's dire.

PERINO: There's nothing we can do.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. We are aware of that as well. And when you talk about these guys like the bad actor problem, OK? So this is like the prom for bad guys and you've got, you know, North Korea and China, to Russia and Iran, Syria, and they're all running for like an evil, evil guy prom (inaudible).

GUTFELD: Vermont.

GUILFOYLE: That's what it is. And they're trying to -- yeah. One, this is not been in the news Vermont, yeah, Bernie.


GUILFOYLE: A weekend at Bernie's? So, and one of them is not getting some attention in the press for a while is the biggest, baddest (ph) actor and evil doer, Dr. Evil in the region. Then they do this, the type of things these acts of provocation to get back on the map again.

PERINO: All right.


PERINO: We're going to move on to another part of the world, in Afghanistan, where U.S. Special Operations Forces have been battling with Taliban fighters in the Marjah area of the Helmand province. One service member was killed and two others were wounded yesterday. But neither the White House nor the Pentagon will call it a combat operation because the president declares the war over a year ago.


PETER COOK, PENTAGON PRESS SECRETARY: This was an operation that was consistent with the train, advice and assist mission.

These U.S. special operators are -- as we've discussed before, allowed to engage and train, advice and assist their special operations counterparts.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In active combat -- properly?

COOK: They've been in Helmand province, providing this kind of support in the past.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is safe to say that the combat mission continues in Afghanistan?

COOK: It is safe to say that Afghanistan is a dangerous place. And that the U.S. forces that are providing assistance to the Afghans are in harm's way when they're there.


PERINO: A U.S. that a soldier was killed in Iraq in October and the administration avoided the combat terminology, then, as well. Military analyst Rob O'Neill thinks, quote, "Spin is putting our service members in jeopardy."


ROB O'NEILL, FORMER UNITED STATES NAVY SEAL TEAM MEMBER: They've been in combat in Marjah and Helmand province for the past six months and the security forces there feel abandoned by the U.S. that government in Kabul. Simply because we want to say we're not in combat anymore and just call, you know, that's what it is. Its combat there now, will be for a long time, and every commander on the ground is saying, "We need to keep as many troops as we can, as long as we can. This is no longer a campaign promise that needs to be ended just because we said we would." It seems like they're trying to spin a lot of things that jeopardize national security. To try to spin this as no more combat in Afghanistan.


PERINO: Kimberly, let's go to you first.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, go through.

PERINO: So what you take on that?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I heard him on the interview last night. I was thinking, spot-on, OK, because they're willing to put their -- you know, ideology ahead of troop safety. That's what I think. Why are you going to pull out when you know that it's premature, that it's a bad idea? You see this is an area that we shouldn't just like step away, walk away from it. We need to still be engaged there. You know, make it count. We've put a lot of time and effort and lives, soldiers there are putting on the line, why would you just walk away from now when you see evidence, specifically pointing to the fact that we need to remain engaged and have a presence there to keep it safe and secure. I mean, this is (inaudible).

PERINO: One of the things I heard today, Eric was that behind the scenes, the Pentagon is doing what it needs to do to help take care of the families in terms of benefits that come to them, if one of their loved ones is killed in the line of duty. But what they're really frustrated with this that there seems to be a lack of strategy. And I don't know if the president is really going to, even talk about that. You got the State of the Union Address coming up on Tuesday and I don't even know if Afghanistan was probably going to be in the speech.

BOLLING: So we heard the White House there, use these two terms. It's, we know that Afghanistan is dangerous, and we -- the people who are there, trying to keep order are in harm's way. I mean, if that's not the definition of combat, I'm not sure what is, especially if weapons are involved. They're in the midst of combat. Whether or not calling it combat or not is affecting their lives, their safety and lively -- their lives, I don't know. But I will know -- I do understand that if you call it combat and you declare -- you've declared war, even though you've said the war is over now, you can you go back in and maintain peace or reengage the enemy, they're still the enemy. Taliban is still our enemy. I don't know what the big thing is unless there's something to do with once you say combat you have to reengage to a certain extent.

PERINO: He wants -- the president said the war is over.


PERINO: And he wants to be able to close it out.

BOLLING: But the war was over in Iraq, too. Remember, he said it was over too and forget -- and we have to send.

GUILFOYLE: I know. And to GITMO, even though that's a bad idea, too. I mean, this is the problem here. I mean, you know, get involved, like grow up, understand what needs to be done and prepare to do the job. Don't be worried about these semantic gymnastics nonsense.


GUILFOYLE: They have such semantic anxiety in the White House that it's crippling them. They're unable to make good decisions, and to save lives, and to put up -- put down the bad guys, because they're worried about -- well, we don't want to call it combat, because President Obama said that he was going to shut it down. And we better let all the bad guys out of GITMO and give five, you know, terrorists for another, you know, (inaudible), you know what, Bowe Bergdahl.

WILLIAMS: Well, yeah, hold on.

GUILFOYLE: Just to make the president good on his work.

PERINO: There's another school of thought that says that, if we are not going to have a strategy to win, and if we are only going to have 10,000 troops that can't get the job done, then why don't we leave faster or leave sooner, and pull out our troops out so that they're not in any danger at all? Juan, I turn to you.

WILLIAMS: Oh. Well, I just.

PERINO: That is another school of thought.

WILLIAMS: Well, that's another school of thought. But my position is, that gee, I think that President Obama has been listening to Kimberly and Eric and you, and I mean, last year, he said we're going to slow down, pulling out the troops from Afghanistan. By now, we should have been down to about (inaudible). No, no, we're going to slow that down and they're not, they're going to remain there during all of '16 and into '17. And the argument then was, oh, well, he's really putting it on the next president's plate. But the idea was he was retaining a significant American presence in Afghanistan, despite the promise made earlier that he was ending the war. And people have said he's engaged in double talk. We are on the ground engaged, maybe not in combat, because we don't have American forces, but we have -- are there as advisers, consultants and guiding what the Afghanistan's are doing. And then Defense Secretary Carter said today, he is of greater faith in the Afghan forces than he's been in years.

PERINO: Where do you fall on this?

GUTFELD: Well, let's be clear on this. This is not combat, this is gun violence.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.


WILLIAMS: All right, stop it.


WILLIAMS: Stop it.


GUILFOYLE: Is it a workplace violence?

GUTFELD: I mean, because these Taliban guys, they are no different than suicides across the country. It's all.

PERINO: You need background checks.

BOLLING: Background checks.

GUTFELD: It's all background checks.

BOLLING: Exactly.

GUTFELD: On the Taliban is going to stop this.

BOLLING: They need it.

GUTFELD: But you know, there's no based and there is no belief in winning. President Obama only believes in winning elections. There's no such thing as winning a war, there's only ending or withdrawing, because he believes that we're the pernicious force in all these things, so therefore

PERINO: Good work.

GUTFELD: Like you said.

GUILFOYLE: Great work.

GUTFELD: They're obsessed, obsessed with words and not actions or deeds. And so it's always all frosting and no cake with them. It's an empty -- if only the White House fought language -- fought wars, the way they fought languages, we'd be a much better place.

GUILFOYLE: Why don't they drop a giant dictionary on ISIS then?


PERINO: It's almost as if they've already written the president's farewell speech, right? And it's like they're a year ahead of themselves, like oh gosh, this is how we want the world to be. And that's -- they've already written the speech and like so, they have try to figure out a way to make the world fit into that. But my school of thought is you have to be prepared for the unexpected. So now you have North Korea, testing a bomb. You have a Taliban resurgent. You have ISIS situation. You have a problem with the oil markets.


PERINO: And the rest of the markets. You have China problem -- I mean, there is just so many problems, you cannot --

GUILFOYLE: Because the end.


GUILFOYLE: You gonna say fair as well ISIS, I left you in a better position than when I was first president.

BOLLING: Look, I'm against having more boots on the ground, I just don't like.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I'm glad somebody said it.

BOLLING: But hold on, hold on.

GUILFOYLE: In this table.

WILLIAMS: I'm glad you said it.

BOLLING: All right, but having the two.

WILLIAMS: Because most Americans agree with you.

BOLLING: But Juan, to having too few American service members there, too few.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: Puts all their lives at risk. And I'm more against that.


WILLIAMS: Oh, it would be, but it's not...

PERINO: So he might be in my other school of thoughts.

WILLIAMS: More people would be at risk if we had a larger force.

PERINO: I'm going to put Eric in our other school of thought category and we're gonna move on because it's a great show.

GUTFELD: You said school of thoughts three times. Ban school of thought.


PERINO: How dare you?

GUTFELD: No, I -- we have to.

PERINO: What's wrong with you?

GUTFELD: It's for your own good.


PERINO: I'm going to get a commercial break.


PERINO: All right, next. Is there a difference between a democrat and a socialist? Ahead of the DNC dodged that question, and Hillary Clinton just did, too. You're going to hear her answer when The Five returns.


GUILFOYLE: Hillary Clinton's running against an admitted socialist -- yeah, is she one, too? What's the difference between her politics and those of Bernie Sanders? Well, it seems like it would be a simple question do answer. But she stumbled her way through that portion of an interview that she did, just last night.


CHRIS MATTHEWS, TALK SHOW HOST: What's the difference between a socialist and a democrat?


MATTHEWS: Is that a question you would want to answer or you'd rather not, politically?

CLINTON: Well, you know, you'd have to ask --

MATTHEWS: Well, see, I'm asking you. You're a democrat, he's a socialist. Would you like somebody to call you a socialist? I wouldn't like somebody calling me a socialist.

CLINTON: But I'm not one. I mean, I'm not one.

MATTHEWS: OK. What's the difference between a socialist and a democrat? That's the question.

CLINTON: You know, I can tell you what I am. I'm a progressive democrat. I'm a progressive democrat.

MATTHEWS: How is that different than a socialist?

CLINTON: Who likes to get things done and who believes that we are better off in this country when we're trying to solve problems together.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness. It looks like somebody didn't have a little thrill up his leg when he talked to Hillary. He didn't give her a pass there Eric, What happened with this? He's like --

BOLLING: He didn't, and congratulations, Chris Matthews.

GUILFOYLE: Yay (ph).

BOLLING: You didn't, but he still in her -- he still very favorable to Hillary Clinton. Don't get me wrong. He is very favorable. If you watch Chris, you listen to him. He cuts her a lot of slack. He really trashes anyone on the right who has anything negative to say about Hillary Clinton. I will also tell that I listened to Bernie sanders talk about Hillary Clinton this morning as well. He doesn't seem like he's running against her at all.

GUILFOYLE: Right. It's weird.

BOLLING: It sounds like he's running to be her vice president.


BOLLING: Or to support her if she becomes president. Because if I'm in a heated battle for New Hampshire, maybe Iowa, maybe not, it gets ugly for Bernie later, but at least to come out of the box. If he really, really, really, really wanted it, he could put it -- he could tattoo her in New Hampshire.

GUILFOYLE: He could. And he's not doing that.

BOLLING: He could keep her in New Hampshire.

GUILFOYLE: It's unbelievable.

BOLLING: He's not. He's very -- he pays her deference. He calls her the secretary and -- it just doesn't seem like someone who wants to beat her.

WILLIAMS: Wait a second, wait a second.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe just.

WILLIAMS: I'm so struck by this.


WILLIAMS: That's so interesting to me because as a democrat, when I watched, it looks to me like he is hitting her Achilles heel, her soft spot, the force be with you as you go in. And he says you are too close to Wall Street, to the big banks, and you say.

BOLLING: So what?

WILLIAMS: Washington should regulate.


WILLIAMS: And then she said.

BOLLING: Unless she got that heat.

WILLIAMS: You know what?

BOLLING: It's so (inaudible) though.

WILLIAMS: Wall Street.

BOLLING: He couldn't be on her side on that.

WILLIAMS: He says the Wall Street, like lobbyists are the ones who regulate.

BOLLING: Don't mention.

WILLIAMS: The likes of Hillary Clinton. And believe me, the left doesn't like it Eric.

BOLLING: Oh, they don't care.

WILLIAMS: I think they do.

BOLLING: They don't care.

WILLIAMS: I think that's why he's setting records for raising money.

BOLLING: My point is that, if you really want -- if there are so many ways you can nail Hillary Clinton on.


BOLLING: On Wall Street, on her hawkishness.


BOLLING: Some of the other things.

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute.

GUILFOYLE: He seems like --

WILLIAMS: I thought you like her hawkishness?

GUILFOYLE: He's very soft to Hillary apologist. I mean, what do you think? Is it -- this guy is not.

GUTFELD: Well, it's a great question. What's the difference between a democrat and a socialist? One takes your money, spreads it around, suppresses achievement, destroys innovation, and the other is a socialist.

BOLLING: Socialist.



GUTFELD: It's the same. It was a trick question. It was unfair to her, there was no difference and he knew it, because there's no variety of belief in the Democratic Party. The republicans are a buffet, but the left is a cult.

GUILFOYLE: Hmm, interesting. I much prefer the buffet as you know -- Dana?


PERINO: I think their reason just they have a hard time is that -- saying that there is a different is because there is not a difference any more. This is not the party of JFK or Bill Clinton any longer, the party has moved left. And Bernie Sanders is commanding about 30 percent of support. So if Hillary Clinton were to say, well, here's this distinct difference. I mean, she doesn't want to alienate that 30 percent because she needs them, and she needs them to be enthusiastic when she decides to, you know, put the pedal to the metal.

WILLIAMS: Well, I think -- let me, I think --

GUILFOYLE: What's that should do?

WILLIAMS: I thought you were right on the second point that she can't risk alienating Bernie support which is, I think.

PERINO: I'm always right on all points.

WILLIAMS: No, but I was going to say you understand.

PERINO: Learn this.


WILLIAMS: That's why I think you were right, earlier. But I just disagree with you, when it comes to the idea that somehow democrats are the same as -- I don't hear, even you say, let's say, Obama. Is Obama a leftist? OK --


WILLIAMS: There were state owners.


GUTFELD: John Burcher (ph).

WILLIAMS: Who? Oh is that -- I forgot that part. You know, I'm slow to the game. But who, who says democrats are for state ownership of means of production?

BOLLING: That's a mean form of socialism.


BOLLING: On that state.

WILLIAMS: But what about.

BOLLING: And that's...

WILLIAMS: What about massive welfare states?

BOLLING: Socialism, as Greg, actually points out is really the progressive democrat party.

WILLIAMS: Well, that's not true.

PERINO: It is.

BOLLING: That's high.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, it is.


BOLLING: Highly text the earners.


GUILFOYLE: They're identical twins, they're the same. They're identical twins.

WILLIAMS: But who build that Wall Street?

GUILFOYLE: Fraternal.

WILLIAMS: It was President Bush and President Obama.

GUTFELD: OK, but -- OK, so you have, you have Sanders. What is sanders' number one thing? Greed, greed, greed. Everybody is greedy. This is a guy who has been running for office since like what, 1970? So it was about 40 years? He's been.


GUTFELD: We've been paying his salary. What's more greedy, a capitalist who provides jobs or a guy that lives off the government? I mean, he --the government is his drug of choice.

WILLIAMS: You have no, no upset at the rich in this country?

GUTFELD: I love the rich.

WILLIAMS: You love the rich.

GUTFELD: I want to be rich.

GUILFOYLE: You have to be.


WILLIAMS: And who doesn't?

GUTFELD: Exactly.


WILLIAMS: Everybody but --


GUTFELD: I don't want Bernie Sanders

BOLLING: Republicans are aspirational to be rich and democrats are embarrassed by it.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but how can you ignore the fact that the middle class is getting squeezed so badly right now.


GUTFELD: By who?

WILLIAMS: Oh my goodness.


GUILFOYLE: President Obama.


GUTFELD: He's been president for almost eight years.

WILLIAMS: I don't know what happened to that.

GUTFELD: It wasn't John McCain.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, at least, you know, Colonel Sanders, as you bet on that, you get the tasty chicken. OK, ahead.


GUILFOYLE: Something drama on the GOP presidential race. Ted Cruz responding today to Donald Trump's suggestion, that he might not be eligible to become president. Stay tuned for that and much, much more.


WILLIAMS: Donald Trump is back on the birther bandwagon. This time, he's raising questions about whether one of his opponents is eligible to become president. He's suggesting Ted Cruz's Canadian roots could pose a problem for republicans, if Cruz wins the nomination. Here was Trump on Fox and Friends, this morning.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I want to beat him on his own merits. I don't want to have a thing like this at. But I will say though, if the democrats, if they bring a lawsuit on it, I mean you have to get it solved. I would like to see Ted do something where maybe he goes in a preemptive fashion into court, to try to get some kind of an order. Because I would not like to see that happen. I like him a lot. I think he likes me a lot. He's been very nice to me. I've been very nice to him. But the question was actually asked of me.


TRUMP: Yesterday, by the Washington Post, I said.


TRUMP: You know it's a problem. I'd love to see him get it straightened out.


WILLIAMS: Hmm. Game on, republicans. In response to Trump's suggestion, Cruz tweeted out a clip from the Jump the Shark episode of Happy Days, of course, that's a call to reference to when something is overdone, gimmicky. He addressed the controversy with reporters earlier.

GUILFOYLE: At least have showed them.


TED CRUZ, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: As a legal matter, the question is quite straightforward and settled law that a child of a U.S. citizen born abroad is a natural-born citizen. People will continue to make political noise about it, but as a legal matter, it's quite straightforward.



WILLIAMS: Greg, what do you say?

GUTFELD: I think that Ted Cruz should go back to Kenya.


GUTFELD: Or we should build a wall around him. I have to say that --


GUTFELD: I love Trump is consistent. He's consistent -- he goes after every immigrant except the ones that work for him. And by the way, it's a good question because I didn't know, like I didn't know if he could be president or not. So it's probably would -- but I like that Trump cares enough about Ted Cruz, that he wants to raise this issue.


PERINO: Isn't It?

WILLIAMS: But Dana, forget about good feelings between Trump and Cruz.

PERINO: Well, natural, because there's the two in the lead in Iowa, and it's neck and neck. I thought that -- I love it that Trump is basically, he's just raising questions.


PERINO: And, that also, I thought Cruz, like he was the solicitor general of Texas. He argued more cases in front of the Supreme Court than I think anybody and he has like the record on that, and he was very successful. And as a legal matter, I think he probably has this locked up. I would imagine.

WILLIAMS: I think he's in pretty safe territory.

PERINO: But he --

WILLIAMS: Although, the Supreme Court has never spoken on this issue.

PERINO: But Trump raises the issue.


PERINO: The media pours accelerant on it and lights the match.

WILLIAMS: Well, I will say this. Eric, what about...

BOLLING: I don't know if that's the exact order. I think Wash Po., the media, raised the question to Trump; and he responded in Trump fashion. "Oh yes, well, he maybe should look into it." And then he clarified on "FOX & Friends," saying, "I just want to beat him outright." So...

WILLIAMS: But Eric, what about this one -- what about this one -- when Trump says, "I haven't heard about too many evangelicals coming out of Cuba."



GUILFOYLE: Juan is so happy. Game on. Game on, Republicans.

WILLIAMS: Jumping the shark.

GUTFELD: Jumping the shark has jumped the shark.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, you did a thing on that. Yes, it's over. Yes, yes, yes. He's like, OK.

WILLIAMS: On this point, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Go ahead.

WILLIAMS: Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum now all challenging whether or not Ted Cruz really has the evangelical spirit. That he said things about the states deciding about gay rights and the like. I think -- they're saying he's not truly an evangelical.

GUILFOYLE: And we're going to see how they decide this issue. Why I think this is actually amazing is because yes, the seed is sort of planted. But it was based on a question that was proffered to him, and he answers questions.

Now, that being the case, I don't think he's out to completely destroy Ted Cruz, because maybe they want to, like, cozy up together in some salt-and- pepper fashion at some point in life.

GUTFELD: What does that mean?

GUILFOYLE: However, take your mind where it normally goes.

GUTFELD: It's there, believe me.

GUILFOYLE: What's interesting to me is how amazing would it be if it did go to the U.S. Supreme Court, and Ted Cruz could represent himself and argue it to the Supreme Court and win?

WILLIAMS: Wait. That's a win for Trump. If he had to go to the Supreme Court.

GUTFELD: And -- and Obama would be the judge.

BOLLING: Exactly. Obama could be the expert witness.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: He could appoint himself. Yes.

WILLIAMS: Dana, bring some Rationality to this. Is it possible that the big winner here is Marco Rubio?

GUILFOYLE: I knew were you going to say that?

PERINO: I don't think so. No. I mean, it only is the case if Marco Rubio is able to seize the moment. And in this case, I think today was a day where everyone was talking about Trump and Cruz.

GUTFELD: The winner is the ethanol lobby.

PERINO: That's exactly right.

GUTFELD: Because Cruz spun around. He used to be against ethanol. Now -- he was going to repeal the mandate. Now he's not.

WILLIAMS: Maybe the big winner is Hillary Clinton.

Still to come on "The Five," The Fastest Seven. But first a trip down memory lane for some of you. Remember the Walkman? The music contraption we used before iPods? Stay tuned to see what happened when a mother just gave one of her kids one to play around with.

GUILFOYLE: Why do we explain this?


GUTFELD: It's the new thing: filming kids trying to use bygone technologies.



He's a Boy Scout.

This is the best thing I've ever seen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It goes like this.



GUTFELD: That's cute. But if you asked a 10-year-old Greg Gutfeld to work a gramophone he'd be nowhere, either. And I'd have no idea how to run a loom or start a horse.

This is a good thing. A kid who can't use a Walkman is a kid who can use an iPhone, which has 130,000 times more computing power than "Apollo 11."

My point: the past was awful. Remember this?


GUILFOYLE: OK, weirdo.

GUTFELD: Yes. The year "Apollo 11" was launched was 1969. Back then, an American household spent 22 percent of their money on food, eight percent on clothing. Thanks to free markets and free minds, we spend roughly half that now. Meaning stuff got better. It got cheaper, and it got smaller as transistors on a chip double every 18 months. This is what you end up with, a brat with 130,000 "Apollo 11s" in his very hand.

The problem is, so do the terrorists. Sinister purposes outpace the innocent pleasures. We invent what jihadists use.

But forget about ISIS using machines against us. What of the machines themselves? The Internet has as many hyperlinks as we have nerve junctions. It's becoming its own living thing.

Social networks turn adults into babies while indulging the me-centric world of their kids. We attack each other on Twitter, reshaping our neurons into wild packs of micro-aggressors. In courtship, our laptops are now pornography faucets, recasting sex as an endless parade of novelty. A perversion of the mind, not the flesh.

So I miss the Walkman. At least back then we could shut it off.

PERINO: OK, right.

GUILFOYLE: That was very Andy Rooney.

PERINO: That's not at all how I thought that segment was going to go.


GUTFELD: Why? What happened?

PERINO: I thought it was going to be, like fun, cute little segment about technology.

GUTFELD: It is. I'm saying it's positive, but it's also negative. It's positive. Everything in life. Like, positive technology brings threats and also can ruin parts of your life.

GUILFOYLE: So there was a light and a dark side? OK.

GUTFELD: They made me do this!

GUILFOYLE: Did you see "Star Wars"? You're like the light side, the dark side. The good versus evil.

GUTFELD: All right. You miss any old technology, Kimberly? You were born in the 40s.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I am so well preserved, unbelievable. Yes. I have a built-in Walkman in my brain.

Do I miss any of it? Yes. I thought it was all good. I liked it at the time. I'm glad I got to experience things that now, you know, maybe it's outdated or whatever. They're in museums. You can get them for a lot of money on EBay.

But I like the new technology, too. I think it's great that kids get to have this and use this as tools and be able to have all this computing and technology to help them get a job.

GUTFELD: You know, Juan -- It certainly can.

You know, Juan, you're a leftist.

WILLIAMS: A socialist. A corrupt source (ph).

GUTFELD: The best attack on inequality is innovation. Because everybody has almost the same technology. No matter if you're a middle class or in - - rich or whatever. You still have -- you can get an iPhone.

WILLIAMS: That's true. But it's also true that it costs jobs. And the technology, as it moves ahead.


WILLIAMS: So much of this stuff manufactured overseas. And the question about, you know, what about blue-collar hard-working Americans? You know, so it has ups and downs.

I thought that you were -- you went back and forth, because you said it's good that we have more technology today. But these kids, with all their corruption of that technology.

GUTFELD: That's right. The world is not simple, Juan. Not for me.

WILLIAMS: No. Because you know what I thought? When you were doing it I thought magazines that you used to handle, right? "TV Guide."

GUTFELD: I love "TV Guide." I collect them.

WILLIAMS: Or magazines. You know, who reads those mags? "TIME" magazine, "Newsweek"?

GUTFELD: Nobody.

GUILFOYLE: We do. We get them delivered here.

GUTFELD: Eric, cut Juan off.

BOLLING: Look, if Bernie Sanders and the socialists have their way and tax corporations at 90 percent, we wouldn't have the iPhone with 130 times "Apollo" technology in your hand.

GUILFOYLE: It's a lot.

BOLLING: Because no one would take the chance to try and develop it. They'd do it for the profit motive.

Very quickly, I think the biggest drawback -- I love technology. Bring it; get rid of the old stuff.

The only thing I really think kids are missing right now is they're texting so much, they're not talking. No one can communicate. They don't say a word to each other. They'll sit around and text each other in the same room.

GUTFELD: And their texts stay forever.

GUILFOYLE: And they text parents from one room of the house to the other.

PERINO: I miss the Rolodex.

GUTFELD: The Rolodex! Where people used to, like, ask for your rolodex.

PERINO: You feel like you could spin it. Mike Collins on the House Commerce Committee had the best double Rolodex. You could go in and get any reporter's name and number.

GUTFELD: Yes. And if you got fired, they'd go, "We need your Rolodex." I'd always hand them my watch.

All right. Next, how to get the bodies of a quarterback or of a supermodel. It's the diets of Tom Brady and his supermodel wife, Gisele, revealed in "The Fastest Seven," ahead.


BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...


GRAPHIC: Fastest 7


BOLLING: "The Fastest Seven Minutes on Television." Three curious stories, seven cursory minutes, one convictive host.

First up, it's a social media rage. It's Netflix's newest must-binge watch. It's called "Making a Murderer." It's a documentary chronicling the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Law enforcement despised Steven Avery. Steven Avery was a shining example of their inadequacies, their misconduct.

GRAPHIC: He spent nearly 18 years in prison for rape.

SHERIFF TOM KOCOUREK: No one ever intended to do anybody any harm by this. We firmly believed that we had the guilty party at the time.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This was one of the biggest miscarriages of justice I ever saw in 20 years of criminal defense work and thousands of cases.


BOLLING: But there are questions. After seeing the documentary, many are suggesting the prosecutor was too quick to judge Avery and Dassey, the convicts. Last night the prosecutor in that case sat down with Megyn Kelly.


MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: What you do think is the most persuasive evidence you had against him that the series makers left out?

KEN KRATZ, FORMER PROSECUTOR IN STEVEN AVERY CASE: Well, in my opinion the most persuasive was the DNA that was found on the hood latch of the victim's car. The victim's SUV is hidden by Mr. Avery and Mr. Dassey. And actually, Brendan Dassey, during his confession, tells law enforcement for the first time that his Uncle Steven went under the hood.


BOLLING: So Greg, you're, I think, the only one at the table who has watched the series.

GUTFELD: I watch it. Fine little point. Hillary was asked about this documentary at a town hall, and she replied as if the people were black, which is incredibly racist. Because she assumed that the criminals were black. That was not reported.

OK. About this -- about why this is popular. When you watch something for ten hours you invest in it, and you invest in the perspective of the documentary, the filmmakers. So you want them to be right, even though this person is a bad person.

They left a lot of stuff out. Netflix shouldn't have run this. Because they left out a lot of stuff in there. This guy set fire to a cat. He doused a cat in lighter fluid and threw it on a bonfire.

GUILFOYLE: Serial killer trait.

GUTFELD: You're absolutely right. He was obsessing over the murder victim. He'd been calling her. He'd been -- his family had been involved in a number of sexual assaults. These are not good people. The bullet had his DNA on it, I mean, her DNA from his own gun. He killed her.

BOLLING: K.G., is there any way to reopen the case based on a documentary that Netflix plays?

GUILFOYLE: You mean reopen it to -- what, to say that the guy should have -- was wrongly convicted? Of course. If new evidence comes to light then what you do is you file an appeal and say this is what's come forward. Not just because of public opinion or sentiment. But because of actual forensics or of evidence that wasn't available at the time of the conviction or evidence that was excluded improperly. And that's the answer to your question.

BOLLING: All right. Can we move on to the next one?

WILLIAMS: I just want to say there's a podcast that had the same...

GUTFELD: "Serial."

WILLIAMS: "Serial," correct?


WILLIAMS: And everybody was following it, "Oh, are we going to get this guy?"

BOLLING: Same with Jeanne Pirro's case, right? Wasn't there something...

GUILFOYLE: Yes, Durst.

BOLLING: Yes, Durst. Right.

All right. Let's move on. Ever wonder how a supermodel and a star NFL quarterback stay in shape? Just our luck: Tom Brady and model wife Gisele, their chef is telling all in a recent article, outlining the star couple's favorite menu items. Let's just say: probably not something you're going to dig into at tonight's dinner table. Take a look at what they've got there.

Now Dana, a lot of people saying gross but...

PERINO: No, I'm just saying, like...

GUILFOYLE: What is it?

PERINO: ... if I had a personal chef who would make all of this for me, and it was always available to me and -- I didn't have to chop onions and things like that, then I would do this, too.

BOLLING: What was the thing that you said that you would make but it's too hard to make?

PERINO: Quinoa.


PERINO: It's too hard.


GUILFOYLE: You can go buy it at Starbucks.

BOLLING: ... can you imagine having a chef that would prepare that for you every night?

GUILFOYLE: Well, that wouldn't be what my chef would be making. But I love the idea of a chef. Next question.

GUTFELD: Whenever I go over to their place to eat, I always bring some food with me. I'll go to the bathroom, sit on the toilet...

GUILFOYLE: Eww! Gross!

GUTFELD: ... and I'll eat an entire Subway sandwich.

GUILFOYLE: Gross me out.

GUTFELD: And they'll think it's weird because I'll be in there for, like, a half an hour. But I'm also going through their meds.

BOLLING: Now other people, Juan, say they're not having any fun because they're eating that instead of, like, splurging on something K.G. would love to have.

WILLIAMS: I just don't get it. You know, I'm all for eating healthy, and I would encourage everybody to eat healthy. But I mean, the guy eats avocado ice cream?

PERINO: Yes. That's good, actually.

WILLIAMS: That's good?


WILLIAMS: I do. I like it. I wouldn't do this if I had someone to do it for me.

BOLLING: I think I -- I think some of that stuff looks really good. OK, put the next script up, guy.

GUILFOYLE: You don't eat.

BOLLING: No, no. I like what they were doing there.

The Powerball jackpot -- get this -- nearly -- no, exactly half a billion dollars. You heard that right, 500 million smackers. What would you do with that kind of dough? I hit the corner bodega to find out what people are thinking when they're dreaming of becoming half a billionaire overnight.


BOLLING: The winning ticket, please. Thank you.

If you win $450 million Powerball lottery what are you going to do with the money?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Retire and travel.

BOLLING: If you win, you quitting your jobs?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A very large vacation.

BOLLING: What about your job? Are you going to quit?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm going to spend it.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yachts, travel.

BOLLING: Beautiful. What about the job?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What about the job? Done with the job.

BOLLING: Good job. Good luck.


BOLLING: K.G., $500 million.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I mean, what could you do with that?

BOLLING: I forgot to bring it, but I bought us all tickets.

GUILFOYLE: Can I tell you something? That's on the record. Thank you very much for all the selecting.

Yes. I bet if you won that, since you kind of already have it, you would still do this job.

BOLLING: The question is what would you do with half a billion overnight.

GUILFOYLE: I'd probably get me a chef to make me delicious things like ribs and lobster mac and cheese and shepherd's pie and all kinds of yummy stuff.

WILLIAMS: That sounds good to me.


WILLIAMS: What are you doing? Well, remember I'm a socialist communist. You know what I would do? Well, I would say Eric, you know, I think we can do better for your lifestyle. We would help you out, Eric.

I do. You and the rest of...

GUILFOYLE: Cancer and children's groups and some left over for food.

BOLLING: See, that's what we did. Dana, we went to the street. Kyle and I went down to the street and that was an iPhone we shot that on.


BOLLING: Most people, when you talk to them, would you say something on camera like, "Yes, I'm going to quit my job." They get on camera, they're like, "I'm going to give half of it away to charity and take care of my parents."

What would you do?

PERINO: I think I would take stock, re-evaluate. Figure out -- first of all, I'd call a lawyer, a tax lawyer.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

PERINO: Because right? I mean, how much of that do you have to give away. What, 50 percent?

GUILFOYLE: It depends on who's president.

PERINO: Right, 50 percent right off the top? I call a lawyer.


GUTFELD: You'd buy a gold toilet for your dog.

I've said this before. I'm not into wishful thinking, because you're more than likely to be hit by a bus than win this lottery. So you don't want to wish to be killed by a bus. Because it's similar -- you don't wish for rare occurrences, because if you win the lottery you could also die.

GUILFOYLE: He must exhaust his therapist. It just must be like -- wow.

BOLLING: I just want to know if you'd take care of alternate universe Greg.

GUTFELD: Yes, I would.

BOLLING: "One More Thing," next.


PERINO: Time for "One More Thing." Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: Last night Kimberly, I Snapchatted her with the bacon. She had bacon. A zillion people followed me on snapchat. I want you to Snapchat me with what you would do if you won half a billion dollars overnight. Go ahead and send it right there, EB2016 on Snapchat.

PERINO: Maybe we'll find out what EB2016 means, now it's 2016.

GUILFOYLE: I have a Snapchat now, but I didn't do anything with it, yet. Can you send me my bacon?

PERINO: Sorry, Ross. Ross works with me on Snapchat. I help with that.

Juan Williams, you're next.

WILLIAMS: Ron Clark, the founder of Ron Clark Academy in Atlanta, posted a video of himself dancing with young people, and it went viral. He's won the national teacher of the year award for his work in Harlem. Now in Atlanta, and he was on "FOX & Friends" this morning with his students.


RON CLARK, FOUNDER, RON CLARK ACADEMY: We want these kids to love to learn. And it you make a school that's exciting and filled with passion, you'll have kids that want to become educated and lifelong learners.

WILLIAMS: My goodness. Hats off to him and everybody else involved with charter schools, go for it.

PERINO: Well, we're short on time, but we want to wish a happy anniversary, 71st anniversary to Barbara and George H.W. Bush. He married 71 years ago today in Rye, New York, and they've had a beautiful love story. They've lived a life with purpose and consequence and a great way to spend a life together.

GUILFOYLE: God bless them.

PERINO: Congratulations to them.

Gutfeld, you're next.

GUTFELD: All right. This is going to be fun. Sunday, January 31, at the Villages...

PERINO: Oh, right.

GUTFELD: ... the first-ever book-off. Go to -- it's going to be a contest, where we're going to see who gets more people to take our books.

PERINO: Buy our books.

GUTFELD: Buy our books. That's right. And we're going to be there. Go to the website, you can check it out. It will be a lot of fun and -- we'll be doing it talk and interview, and there will be music and stuff.

GUILFOYLE: It's going to take the two of you together to beat my turnout at the Villages, OK? Let me tell you. The boys at the club came out for K.G.

PERINO: Can I borrow one of your dresses?


PERINO: And some other things to go along with it?


GUTFELD: I'm wearing one of her dresses.

PERINO: We look forward to that. Kimberly, you're next.

GUILFOYLE: All right. In royal news, you know I love a good royal story, especially because it roils Greg. Prince William and Princess Kate, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, took little Prince George, adorable, to his first day of nursery school. Can you believe how quickly? They marked the occasion with these amazing photos.

PERINO: You know he's homeschooled as well, though.

GUILFOYLE: He has to be. I bet you. Two years old now, and he goes to Westacre Montessori School in North Fork.

PERINO: Set your DVRs. Never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next. We've got five seconds left. Anyone else?

GUTFELD: Blah, blah, blah.


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