This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 14, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I won't forget -- hi.
GUTFELD: I'm Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and she poll dances on the candy cane, Dana Perino, "The Five."
Good news! The Paris climate thing was a smash. Hmm, I wonder if Captain Planet said this agreement represents the best chance we have to save the one planet that we've got, and believes that this moment could be a turning point for the world?
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: This agreement represents the best chance we've had to save the one planet that we've got. So I believe this moment can be a turning point for the world.
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GUTFELD: Hmm. And it appears the media in the observer room hated it.
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GUTFELD: I was wrong. It's like they won a car on "Oprah." And you wonder why terrorists enter America unnoticed. It's because these dolts are too obsessed over Celsius to see the real threats. But it's no shock, they all fester in the same campus swamp where prosperity is deemed evil, but violence is a means of the powerless.
So while these fools whoop it up, our government out of fear, won't review social media posts for people who are applying for visas here. Political correctness stops the vetting of potential terrorists and so we die. I can't cheer for that.
And what of that drywall with Botox?
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SECRETARY OF THE STATE JOHN KERRY: I think it actually sends a very powerful message to the marketplace, but one of the reasons why there is no enforcement mechanism is because the United States Congress would never accept one. So it has to be voluntary. And a lot of nations resent that, but we have accepted that because we believe it's going to move the marketplace, and already you see countless new technologies, a lot of jobs being created, and I think it's going to produce its own form of oversight.
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GUTFELD: What is he talking about? What an oaf. He makes all that ketchup he inherited seem nimble.
So why this climate party as innocents are mowed down? They didn't solve anything. It was a consensus of the senseless. The liberal reply always this, "We can chew gum and walk at the same time." Meaning, we can tackle climate change and terror. But where is the proof? Forget walking and chewing gum, Obama's climatism is like texting while driving. He's not doing two things well, but doing the wrong thing instead of the right thing at the wrong time and endangering all of us. He's driving a packed Greyhound around a tight corner, while texting Leo about the weather.
Forgive us dear media, but we aren't cheering. We're screaming.
So this -- the person I tweeted out that cheering, Miranda Johnson, I think she works at The Economist, which is a magazine, tweeted out that video and then it was deleted. And now they're claiming that wasn't in the media, but it was in the observer room, which I don't know who would be in the observer room Dana, but the media. But maybe it was just a bunch of people hanging out.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, whoever it was, they were quite excited. And you can imagine that if you go to Paris to work on the climate agreement or even to observe it, is that means that you have some stake in it and then look.
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KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: I mean, wow.
PERINO: This is pretty interesting. It's like.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: That's the marketplace.
PERINO: It's like the Super Bowl.
GUTFELD: Actually, that is the marketplace.
PERINO: But they're giving some - like even if you're a journalist, like you become invested, right, with an interest, and also it could have been that they were being told it was over so they could go party.
GUTFELD: That's true. That could be -- maybe they were.
PERINO: Did you ever think of that?
GUTFELD: They were bored to tears. Like we are, Eric, whenever we talk about this stuff.
PERINO: Oh, I love this topic.
BOLLING: Well, No, no. I'm not bored at all. I mean look, besides the climate agreement, which by the way is non-binding.
BOLLING: It's not legal, it's not even binding. It's an idea since what they choose to shoot for they want.
PERINO: The handshake.
BOLLING: It's a handshake. They want 55 percent of the world's population to agree to reduce carbon by, I don't know, some arbitrate time and year and everything. So it's literally in going nowhere. But what he did do? They also did some other to decided things. Number one, they decided that if the $430 million a year that we, United States, gives poor nations to help them with their climate change, we're going to double that over the next few years to $860 million for hanging out. Wow, that's great -- that is a great idea, but it also empowers the EPA. The EPA is probably the most expensive agency in America, not dollar wise costing Americans hard dollars -- soft dollars, costing Americans in the marketplace. All these rules and regulations are on cars, in trucks and transportation cost us literary.
BOLLING: A hundreds of billions of dollars, $5 billion or $10 billion -- hundreds of billions of dollars annually.
GUTFELD: It's a bad.
BOLLING: It empowers them.
GUTFELD: It's a bad scene, I'm gonna skip you on and go to Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Good idea.
GUTFELD: Is it mind blowing that even after a month of terror. Let's call this a month o terror. They think that this is more important. I mean, this is the -- it's just not just gas bag or its dangerous gas bigotry (ph).
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Well, this is there, you know, climate Olympics. They're super excited like we've been waiting for this. Except, I'm so sorry to tell you this is gonna have no legal enforcement whatsoever. Really has no enforcement mechanism. They change the language and sentence of the last second, so big polluters can get away with it and not have to comply with some of these specific. They changed it from, shall was changed to should.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, you should. Oh, you should be a good person.
BOLLING: That's the only cheering was about.
GUILFOYLE: This is the problem.
BOLLING: Maybe it really was the marketplace.
GUILFOYLE: That was China and India going.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, pulled the one over on.
GUILFOYLE: Head on the clouds. Yeah, that's what happens.
PERINO: That will be a million dollars.
GUILFOYLE: And one other important clarification, he married in to the ketchup.
GUTFELD: That's right. John Kerry.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. You didn't care if I said that's.
GUTFELD: It was Heinz.
GUILFOYLE: Teresa Heinz.
GUTFELD: That's right.
GUTFELD: Yeah, that's -- you're an expert on this.
GUILFOYLE: I know these things are important distinctions.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Gee. We're getting personal.
GUTFELD: You know your condiments.
BOLLING: Mr. Rogers available.
WILLIAMS: All right. Wait a second, wait a second. So you guys now are complaining that there's no enforcement
GUTFELD: There's nothing I have done?
WILLIAMS: There's no enforcement.
WILLIAMS: There's no enforcement. Oh, this is -- there's nothing.
WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. If there was enforcement, you complain that there was enforcement.
GUTFELD: You're right.
BOLLING: I was going to have that and it was probably.
BOLLING: Because there was gonna.
GUILFOYLE: No. We're saying that they're really bad that he know what they think they're good at.
WILLIAMS: I love you guys. I'll tell you what.
GUILFOYLE: That's the problem.
WILLIAMS: But I'm paying attention on how the republicans are reacting on the campaign trail, right? So Trump says straight out, this is a Chinese hope intended to sink the American economy, right. And then you have Cruz saying, it's pseudoscience, I think he's at going to the Greg Gutfeld's school.
GUTFELD: I never say pseudoscience.
GUTFELD: I'm open to all.
WILLIAMS: To all, right, right, right. And then, you have people who are saying Huckabee, we need a commander-in-chief -- Greg Gutfeld, right? Instead of a meteorologist and chief, right, right, right?
GUILFOYLE: That was a good one.
WILLIAMS: And Rubio says, the U.S. is not the planet, so what we do doesn't really matter. Only Kasich and to some extent Pataki say man, this is real -- you know, global warming is a problem, we should deal with it. But you was -- what you see is like half of republicans like 42 percent of republicans say yes to the treaty, 86 percent of democrats say this is a good idea, something we need. They have almost 200 world leaders saying this is a positive step...
GUTFELD: And for lying.
WILLIAMS: But for most republicans, it's all about the economy and the jobs.
GUTFELD: They're lying. No, no, no, it's not about -- it is about terror. It's about terror, for example, let's pivot tot his new story that is mind- blowing.
GUTFELD: That fearing a kind of a backlash -- republic relations backlash, nobody in the government was allowed to review social network postings of people applying for visas, including terrorists.
GUTFELD: Now this happen before there was Jeh Johnson, it might have been Judge Napolitano. That the end results of all of this destruction and climate change is that consequence that we aren't actually looking with the real terrorists. It's not a micro increase in Celsius over 50 years. It's something that coming in here and killing 15, 20 people.
PERINO: I was basically -- it was like our commonsense got push to decide because we were worried about possible backlash or outrage. When they -- you know, the phrase that this is want ISIS wants...
PERINO: Like this -- what ISIS wants is for us to not be paying attention. There's not an employer in the world who doesn't take a look at somebody's social media post.
PERINO: At this point, before you hire them. There's not anybody that you date that you don't at least Google or try to look on their Facebook or their Twitter page is just you can find and get a sense of the person. Obviously, this is the problem. And I do think that our bureaucracy and our laws do not have -- are not keeping pace. Which is really seem sort of obvious that we would have done this.
PERINO: But if our bureaucrats, that I think are good people, right? They're gonna work every day to try to do the right thing. If they're being told, you cannot look at (inaudible) Tashfeen Malik's social media because it might hurt her feelings, then that's the problem.
GUTFELD: Yeah. Well, terror -- I mean, Eric.
GUTFELD: Ter for short.
GUTFELD: Ter, that's your nickname. Terror.
GUILFOYLE: He likes that.
GUTFELD: Political correctness.
GUTFELD: Has opened the door for death. I mean, it really has.
BOLLING: So I think what they said, and I could be wrong on this, but I think what they said is that they couldn't look at her private direct messages to someone else.
BOLLING: They could look at her public postings. But remember the discussion that President Obama said, "Don't worry about the refugee program because you know, we vet these people very carefully, 18 to 24 months, we know everything about this people coming in." Well she was posting, I believe she was actually posting.
WILLIAMS: Eric, she's not .
BOLLING: Hope so they -- I got you Juan.
PERINO: Do you think by follow his point.
BOLLING: So therefore, if you're coming out on a terror -- on a K1.
BOLLING: Wife could be.
GUILFOYLE: Fiance visa.
BOLLING: The fiance visa. Don't go through the full vetting process, only vet the refugees.
WILLIAMS: No, but I'm saying.
BOLLING: How about you guys, doesn't anyone that wants to come.
WILLIAMS: You said, Obama said it was 18-24 months.
WILLIAMS: In terms of vetting for the refugees.
WILLIAMS: Ten Thousand Syrian refugees.
BOLLING: Correct. That was I said.
WILLIAMS: It's different than the.
BOLLING: Yes, it is.
BOLLING: Shouldn't they all have the same (inaudible).
WILLIAMS: I don't know.
WILLIAMS: But I think that this is a tremendous error that they don't look at the social media. Now I know in this country, there are some concerns, because you know like, a lot of kids, when they're teenagers, they say awful things on social media and boys and girls and lot of stuff.
GUTFELD: You should love them up, Juan.
WILLIAMS: Well, but you know what? Employers are now -- like to look at this stuff but some people say that it is unfair to the kids, but in this case, there's no one finished. They should have looked.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but I mean, you're posting, so therefore, what is this serious privacy concern on balance with the national security address.
WILLIAMS: I think, no, no. I agree that they should have look at her stuff without a doubt and anybody coming in to the country. I'm just saying that here, in the United States, people could take the worst of a kid.
BOLLING: Can you imagine?
WILLIAMS: Some girl who posted a selfies.
BOLLING: Juan, can you imagine.
GUILFOYLE: Wanting to be a jihad, ISIS pride in this country.
BOLLING: Can you imagine what they missed if they don't even catch something malicious posting on her Facebook page?
BOLLING: If they don't even see that jihad announcement that she said, she was sympathetic to the cause, she was in favor of (inaudible).
WILLIAMS: This is a good point, promoting the.
BOLLING: And if they can't (inaudible) what did they missing?
WILLIAMS: Well, I don't know.
PERINO: And also, what would've happen to the (inaudible).
WILLIAMS: And I don't know if it is true, by the way.
PERINO: But what if the immigration official had decided look, I don't know, (inaudible) makes me a little nervous. Maybe I should go out on my own and do a little digging and they find something and then they bring it to the (inaudible) authorities. I mean is that person now in trouble? That's why I think our Congress or at least, if it's a rule making issue then the Department of Homeland Security needs to clear up immediately.
GUTFELD: Well, Kimberly.
GUTFELD: The government is no different than the neighbor next door.
GUILFOYLE: That's what I just said.
GUTFELD: In San Bernardino.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, because again, (inaudible) by political correctness and the fear of not being, you know, in the right, appropriate frame of mind to look at somebody to evaluate. That's was used to protect whistle blower, you know, a corporations that people that are doing really bad things that need to be expose or like the IRS. I mean, you have to be able to have people come forward to reveal and to live in the truth to say, this is what's going on. Otherwise, we can't protect ourselves and be safe. I mean, what -- what are the odds? Do you want people that you know or your family members slaughtered, because somebody was worried about, you know, scoping out someone's Facebook page? It's ridiculous.
GUTFELD: But yeah. It is way, way more important to fight a hypothetical increase in Celsius -- in the last like, what, 20 years of a pause. That's more important.
PERINO: And to do so by 2099.
GUTFELD: To its 2099, it's crazy. All right, next. Ted Cruz has managed to stay out of Donald Trump's line of fire by appeasing him on a campaign trail, but things are changing now. That Cruz's poll numbers are climbing. That's ahead.
GUILFOYLE: The Iowa caucuses are just seven weeks away, and a bunch of new polls are showing just how tight this race has become. A Fox News survey now has Ted Cruz in the lead in Iowa, surging to the top with the two point lead over Donald Trump. Quinnipiac however, has Trump slight ahead there. And in then in National Poll, Trump is also on top, but Cruz has risen to second place. Trump and Cruz have had a friendly relationship so far this campaign season, but now that the senator has creep up on him in the polls, things appear to be changing.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: But you look at the way his doubt with the Senate where he goes in there like a -- you know, frankly a like a little bit of a maniac. You're never going to get things done that way.
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GUILFOYLE: So here's what happened. Cruz hits back on that comment by tweeting this scene from Flashdance.
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FLASHDANCE: She's a maniac, maniac on the floor and she's dancing like she's never danced before."
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GUILFOYLE: That's a good one. I mean great movie, great song and great moves. So do you think that was fair, Dana?
PERINO: It would have only been better if they had superimposed Ted Cruz's face on the dancer. Then all like millenials like what is --
PERINO: Millenials all over the country are like what is this? Why is it funny? It's funny to me, I love Flashdance of course. Remember, I had a little analogy about -- up to now people have been window shopping. Looking around, looking to window, I like, OK, there's three or four candidates I might try on. When it gets a little bit closer, well they're about to take the dresses into the dressing room to try them on for size, I think that's why you see the polls. Tightening up a little bit and not set in stone, but tomorrow night is the first debate since the Paris and San Bernardino attacks. So I think you gonna see a lot more people paying attention where number one issue now is foreign policy.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, and national.
PERINO: And national security.
GUILFOYLE: And national security. All right, Eric, do you like this interplay back and forth?
BOLLING: I think.
GUILFOYLE: What is the relationship stand? US Weekly said.
BOLLING: No, no, but I think.
GUILFOYLE: It's over.
BOLLING: Ted Cruz did it in a fun way. Every time there was an issue with one of the other candidates and they fought back in a hard way, then Trump would go back at them and they would go at it. I thought that was cute. I thought it was a nice way to do it. I laugh at it as well, it happened --
PERINO: Fun memory?
BOLLING: Fun memories there.
BOLLING: But, you know, I hear you K.G., talking about the Quinnipiac Poll, the QPOll and the Fox Poll.
GUILFOYLE: Would you like to?
BOLLING: Well, I mean, there's no creeping or crept up on that one. Trump is 41 percent there and Cruz is 14 and Rubio at 10, and everyone else is 5 and under. I mean, if you look at that one, it is, it's getting down to like a three-person race, Cruz, Trump and Rubio.
GUILFOYLE: Well, I think that's why obviously that the debate is gonna be important, especially in life of the Paris attacks, what happened in San Bernardino. Juan, this is what's people on their mind. It's what they want to hear about. You even saw the president talking about.
WILLIAMS: Well, I think you, I mean, you look inside the numbers, and what strikes me is that two candidates, Ben Carson, Rand Paul really have fallen of the table, why, because people are focused on terrorism, foreign affairs. And they just see Rand Paul as an isolation I think in the republican ranks, and they see Ben Carson as not really prepared to take on the fight. Now what interests me is you guys are really glossing over -- you're being so nice to these candidates. I mean, Cruz was Heritage last Thursday, in a private session, they got tape and he says, "Trump has no judgment, not someone he would trust with a bomb." I mean, there guys shouldn't address him. Then Trump comes back, that's what caused Trump to counterpunch right? So Trump comes back and says, "Hey, he's a maniac." This guy is all about putting down other republicans, including the republican leadership in the Congress, he can get anything done. He'll never get anything done. So the fight is on buddy, and this is republican on republican.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, you sound kind of excited.
WILLIAMS: Well, I think it's interesting.
GUILFOYLE: I think it's interesting that Ted Cruz.
WILLIAMS: I tell you what, you know.
GUILFOYLE: Maniac. She's a maniac?
WILLIAMS: Well, I was looking at the (inaudible) and I was thinking that doesn't look Cruz he'll never have a shape like that you know.
GUILFOYLE: I didn't know you're looking so closely, fascinating.
WILLIAMS: Well you told me you liked it. That's all --yeah.
GUILFOYLE: The movie. Go ahead.
GUTFELD: Well, obviously what's funny is Trump calling somebody maniac.
GUTFELD: I mean it's like Christie making fun of somebody's weight. There is something here that people are over looking, and that is that -- the really unusual thing that come said about Cruz, was about his background. When he said a lot evangelicals don't come from Cuba. Which is kind of -- I mean, it's something that Trump keeps stepping into. Why does -- why do you have to keep upbringing race -- it's just let that race stuff go. Every time you do that, everybody goes -- it's like you got there's a lot of things you can go after. For example, you want to go after, Trump want s to go after Cruz. It's very simple. You after her criticism of the NSA. Remember, he took -- he back the Rand stand and Trump has always been fairly consistent about security, you should go after Cruz. Cruz, therefore can go after Trump about ethanol. Because remember, there is nothing more establishment than a subsidy. There's nothing more establishment than paying for something or forcing Americans to pay for something they don't want, which is an ethanol subsidy. And Cruz, Cruz, Cruz which is.
GUTFELD: Half Trump half Cruz. Cruz to his credit is going into Iowa and saying that an ethanol subsidy is wrong, and it's gutsy, in my opinion, and it is anti-establishment. If you're for an ethanol subsidy, yours better as establishment as you get.
GUILFOYLE: Well, so you sound a little warmed up on Cruz?
GUTFELD: I -- of the two --
GUILFOYLE: You're still trying on dresses.
GUTFELD: Yeah, I'm still trying on dresses, at home as well.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, shortly (inaudible).
BOLLING: It is interesting, though, that other than those three; boy, everyone seems to be falling off the face of the earth.
GUTFELD: But then again, if you look at the election among the general population, Rubio is the only one who beats Hillary. That's the Super Bowl.
WILLIAMS: Hey, compare to Carson.
GUTFELD: No, I don't think Carson
WILLIAMS: Yeah, Carson.
GUTFELD: Really, Carson too?
GUTFELD: I stand corrected, or sit.
WILLIAMS: But they're all up. You know, what's interesting is wrong For all that happened last week Trump is up four points right in the polls. Cruz is up 12 so he's a candidate of the moment.
WILLIAMS: Everybody is talking Cruz and talking about how he's not using psychological techniques to identify voters.
GUTFELD: Yeah, that's interesting because Cruz came out against the NSA, but bought the information from Facebook of millions of people.
GUTFELD: To figure out how to win an election, so it's OK to use people's personal information to win an election, but not to protect them from terror.
WILLIAMS: I wonder how people would react to that.
WILLIAMS: I don't think gonna love that.
PERINO: But think all campaigns -- I think that all campaigns are doing. I mean, the first person that actually did it so effectively was President Obama.
PERINO: When he was running in 2008, and basically just wiped Hillary Clinton off on the map by the use of technology and that data mining. And a lot of campaigns are actually moved to that, which is one of the reason there's some skepticism. If you look at Kirsten Feliz's piece on National Review this week, about -- she's a Pulitzer and she did a whole piece on the polling. That the polling is hard, when we know that from several -- the last several elections that often the polls don't end up being what you have on that night. So, for example, when President Obama was shocked that in 2014 the republicans were able to sweep in the midterm elections, they just weren't expecting it, but that's because a lot of the data happens under the radar.
GUILFOYLE: I think that was a good synopsis and I appreciated it.
PERINO: Thank you.
GUILFOYLE: When The Five returns, we're gonna go live to Las Vegas, for a preview what to expect at tomorrow night republican presidential debate. Campaign Carl, he's on deck, he's on-site. He's next.
PERINO: The next and last republican presidential debate of the year is tomorrow in Vegas. And we want to go now to Campaign Carl who is there. This is like his thing, he loves it. Carl, we're glad you could join us. We're going to take it by the horns here. This is the first debate since the Paris and San Bernardino attacks. The national security and are concerns about terrorism have risen to the top of concerns of at least all republicans, have not all Americans across around the country. Do you anticipate anything different tomorrow night in this debate?
CARL CAMERON, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it is, as you point out, it's also the last one of the year, which means they're heading to the holidays. And the election attempt to pay attention where the family issues than political ones, so this is last opportunity for the candidates to really sort of leave an imprint with the voters, until after the holidays when we get into January and it is full on with attack ads and pretty much seven-day-a-week campaigns for all of the 14 candidates. It will be different. There's already been a battle underway between Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz on the last couple of month on national security policy, with Rubio challenging Cruz on the number of his votes has suggesting, that's over the weekend some cases Mr. Cruz, in Rubio's view, has tended towards a more isolationist view. That Cruz-Rubio battle will be seen tomorrow night. Cruz is ascending in the polls. He's surging, he's leading and the majority polls in Iowa, means that Donald will have to deal with him. Now Cruz has been careful not to take the bait and even playback and say, "I'm a maniac for your love." In that tweet video that he used there in response to the criticism from Mr. Trump of Cruz for having criticize behind closed doors. There's a three way battle that's gonna be there. The other thing to watch for is that Chris Christie will weigh in heavily on national security. He has surged in the polls in New Hampshire, the first primary state. We're seven weeks away from the Iowa caucus, and Christie seems has a little bit of momentum there. He has not been on the primetime debate stage in the last event, so he's back now on the top tier stage. This will be an opportunity for him to get back into contention with those other candidates. Again, on the subject of the polls, Trump is clearly winning on the national polls, but it is the local Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and the (inaudible) that matters most. And they are notorious fickle. There had been at least four frontrunners in 2012, before they have finally arrive on Rick Santorum who is quick to say he only got in the last 50 percent of his voting in the last 3-days in the Iowa campaign itself.
PERINO: All right, Gutfeld.
GUTFELD: Just quick question, can you ask Marco Rubio to pipe down.
GUTFELD: Because I can barely hear you, Carl. I could barely hear you.
CAMERON: This is his hometown.
GUTFELD: All right.
PERINO: You almost -- you almost sound like you could work for -- you sound like you could work for NPR.
We're going to go to Eric Bolling next.
BOLLING: Carl, I'm curious that over the last couple days, the last couple of weeks, it seems like a lot of the candidates have aimed their guns at Marco Rubio. Why is that? I mean, more so than Donald Trump, clearly, and even more than the surging Ted Cruz.
CAMERON: Well, it's timing. And Marco Rubio's campaign, and he purposely has been studious in trying not to get too much attention. He wants to be within striking distance of the lead. He wants to be poised, but frankly, do not look for Marco Rubio to engage particularly aggressively.
If attacked, he'll counter-fight, but Rubio wants to get his momentum in three weeks. He wants to get it in January, not now. And they're already promoting the idea in the Rubio camp that Cruz is speaking too soon. And witness what happens tomorrow night, if he continues to get incoming not only from Marco Rubio but also from Donald Trump. Jeb Bush has taken shots. Even Rand Paul has gone after Ted Cruz.
So he will not be center stage. That remains Donald Trump's position, but Cruz will be right next to him and is facing the most incoming. It's a big, big night for Cruz.
BOLLING: Can I follow up on that a little bit? Marco Rubio has done very well. He's surging a lot of the polls, but a lot of people are pushing back: Where has he been in Iowa? He -- it would seem to be logic -- logical that he would need a good showing in Iowa. Hasn't spent a lot of time there. How come?
CAMERON: Well, he says he's running a national campaign and trying to cover all the southern state bases, as well as go to New Hampshire. Here in Nevada, the turnout in the Nevada caucuses in 2012 was about 35,000 votes total. It's a very small pool here. And the Rubio family has roots here. In fact, he likes to say he has more he relatives here than he has in south Florida.
He is getting the attention, because Cruz recognizes that Rubio is going to try to foment a fire underneath Cruz and try to burn him up before the middle of January.
Peaking at the right time is now the name of the game. We're within seven weeks of the Iowa caucuses, and really getting momentum after New Year's is what people are going to be watching for in terms of the candidate that could potentially win Iowa and then continue on victories after that.
PERINO: All right. K.G.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. So, Carl, what are you sensing in terms of just, like, enthusiasm about this debate. Do people are any -- the word out on the street and behind the scenes that people are really fired up about it, think it's going to be kind of a big moment for one of these candidates?
CAMERON: The Republican electorate wants to win. They want to win the White House. They want to keep the Senate majority. They want to keep the house. They want to keep their 35 governors. They see that Hillary Clinton's facing a federal investigations and is having troubles, so they see a great opportunity here.
Every single time in the primary process. First it's, who is your favorite Republican or who is your favorite Democrat? But everybody begins to think about and who can actually win in the general election right after New Year's.
PERINO: All right. Juan Williams.
WILLIAMS: Carl, this weekend I can't go anywhere without people saying a broker convention among Republicans? Wow. And then Trump saying, "You know, I wouldn't hang around."
And Carson said, "I would get out, too."
So how does that impact, you know, what's going to go on in Vegas? This -- all this talk about third-party candidacies and brokered conventions.
CAMERON: Well, I think that the Republican Party and the participants of that particular dinner have knocked down some of the reporting that suggested this was a secret meeting or some sort of conspiracy by the Washington establishment to block Carson or some outside candidate. It wasn't the case. It was a regular meeting of power brokers, and they were shooting the breeze about a variety of things.
And for a very brief moment they talked about the possibility of a contested convention. That's not out of the question. When you have 14 candidates, half of the states are proportionately allocated delegates, which means that nobody is a winner-take-all until after March 15 of this process. It's not out of the question that they could arrive at the first ballot on the convention floor, and no candidate would win a majority. So they would have another ballot. That's not uncommon.
More often than not, there's a unanimous vote by acclimation on the first ballot for a predetermined nominee who clinched it with the delegates, but if that doesn't happen, it's a contested convention. That depends on the voters in the states, not the establishment Republicans in Washington, D.C. or anywhere else. It's based on caucus and primary voting.
PERINO: All right. And actually, the Democrats in 2008 had the same discussion which they thought Hillary and Obama were going to take it all the way down to the wire.
All right. Thanks, Carl.
Ahead, she's trying to give her elementary school a politically correct extreme makeover, but parents are taking on the principal who's trying to steal Christmas and more, next.
BOLLING: A lot of schools across the country waged a war on Christmas, but one principal in New York City has taken the PC crusade up a notch, Eujin Jaela Kim at P.S. 169 in Brooklyn has banned parents and teachers from explicitly mentioning Christmas or Santa Claus at school functions, and Thanksgiving.
She refers to that holiday, and she wants that to be referred to, I'm sorry, as a harvest festival. The pledge of allegiance, that's banned, too. The school's PTA president was on "FOX & Friends" this morning, sharing the outrage among parents.
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MIMI FERRER, BROOKLYN P.S. 169 PTA PRESIDENT: We don't understand. We're trying to figure it out. You know, we are in America. We're supposed to be proud of where we are, you know. We have all these immigrants coming into our schools. You know, we understand their beliefs, but we are in America. We're supposed to keep the American dream alive.
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BOLLING: Now, K.G., you're fired up on this one.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, well, I mean, look, this is terrible. Like, why do you have to ruin everything for children? It's so mean.
BOLLING: Isn't it?
GUILFOYLE: You know, what is the problem with Santa and Christmas? Everyone can celebrate their holidays. It's wonderful. But now she's against Thanksgiving. Thank you, Greg.
I mean, it's unbelievable. This is public school. What is she doing? Why is she still there?
BOLLING: She painted over murals. She's changing the school completely, Greg.
GUTFELD: She is my hero.
If you outlaw Christmas, then only outlaws will have Christmas. Is that how it goes?
I don't know. Anyway, this solves the assimilation problem. When people come to America, there's nothing to assimilate to, because we're getting rid of all our traditions and values. We have solved the big question.
I wish they'd devoted this type of effort and mentality to the curriculum or to getting better teachers or helping students instead of focusing on this.
The irony of this whole thing is that we are so careful in this country not to offend a set of ideas called Islam. We cannot offend. We don't want to have any backlashes, but Islam is a set of ideas. But you can target just about anything else, because they're not protected by the burka of tolerance. So you can go after anything you want, people.
BOLLING: We -- Dana, can we be outrageous? Can we say enough is enough? I mean, Kimberly's right. This is Christmas. Let the kids have a Christmas, for God's sake.
PERINO: But also, you could learn about everything. Right? You could learn about Hanukkah and Kwanza, whatever, but...
GUILFOYLE: Kwanza, right.
PERINO: It all doesn't seem to make sense. If you want to -- if you really want to educate, then just have a holiday a day through the holidays.
GUILFOYLE: Someone should investigate her social media pages.
BOLLING: Let me guess. You're in favor of this.
WILLIAMS: No, I'm in favor of helping kids.
GUTFELD: I hate kids.
WILLIAMS: And I think what I read was 95 percent of the kids at the school are Asian or Hispanic. So I paid attention when they had the mom on "FOX & Friends," because that's an Hispanic woman. And I think most Hispanics, not only are they Christian; they're Catholic. I mean, they're really into Christmas. Christmas is a big deal.
All right. So I mean, the question is she's trying to be sensitive to the kids, but in fact, I think if she really checked, the kids would not be in favor of, you know, doing away with Christmas in order to make them more comfortable. They'd be like, well, let's do Christmas.
GUILFOYLE: But you know why? It's all about her. She's an egomaniac, because it's like -- it's about her personal beliefs at the expense of everybody else. You just went to your argument to talk about the demographics of the school.
WILLIAMS: But isn't it the case that you want to make sure -- by the way, Greg, I thought you were wrong.
WILLIAMS: It's Jewish kids initially that were put on the defensive, you know, hey, what's all this Christian celebration in a public school? So it's not Muslim kids.
GUTFELD: I never said Muslim kids.
WILLIAMS: No, you said -- yes, you did.
GUTFELD: I said that we live in a current climate where we're afraid of addressing a set of ideas.
BOLLING: And maybe she's using this as an opportunity. She sees the climate there, the environment rich for eliminating Christmas or holidays whatsoever from anything public.
All right. So how does the Christmas spirit hurt kids? I'd like to know that. A group of children sang Christmas songs again on "FOX & Friends" this morning, including the remarkable 14-year-old Bobby Hill who sang for the pope in September, and it was amazing.
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BOLLING: Like it?
PERINO: I love it. Because you see, like, it's joy. It's talent, everybody coming together for a holiday. And watching a children's performance really can get you in the holiday spirit.
BOLLING: Now this -- I take it this teacher, this principal, wouldn't let Bobby Hill sing at P.S. 169?
GUTFELD: They should do a sing-in. Go there. Charge P.S. 169 in Brooklyn. Show up and sing.
WILLIAMS: Yes. So Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer came to P.S. 1 -- was it 69?
WILLIAMS: One sixty-nine. I guess she'd have a problem.
And now the counter argument, you should know, from the parents was Santa is a secular figure, and I thought, yes, I guess so. But I sort of associate him with that Christian holiday, Christmas.
BOLLING: And he's -- Santa is protected as a secular figure in the public schools.
BOLLING: Go ahead. Greg?
GUTFELD: Is it just me or when kids sing, I think of horror movies?
WILLIAMS: Oh, no. Here we go.
GUTFELD: Every scary horror movie, there's, like, twins and they're singing, like "Rain, rain, go away."
GUILFOYLE: Don't need to assist you. Weirdo.
GUTFELD: No, kids singing are great in horror movies.
BOLLING: Got you.
GUTFELD: Look it up, Eric.
GUILFOYLE: Don't let him be a principal anywhere.
BOLLING: Future voice-overs in horror movies.
All right. Have you ever thought about the race of "Star Wars" villain Darth Vader? Well, Melissa Harris-Perry has. The MSNBC host has managed to twist his story line from good versus evil to one of black versus white. You won't believe it. That's next.
WILLIAMS: "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" opens in just four days, and while millions of fans are eagerly awaiting its release, an MSNBC host is trying to put a damper on the frenzy by accusing the series of being racist? Well, here's Melissa Harris-Perry's wild theory about one of the iconic characters.
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MELISSA HARRIS-PERRY, MSNBC HOST: I could spend the whole day talking about the whole Darth Vader situation...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You could?
HARRIS-PERRY: Yes, like the part where he was totally a black guy whose name basically was James Earl Jones, but while he was black, he was terrible and bad and awful and used to cut off white men's hands and didn't, you know, actually claim his son, but as soon as he claims his son and goes over to the good, he takes off his mask, but he's white. OK, I have many, many feelings about that.
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WILLIAMS: Gregory? When you take off your mask, are you black?
GUTFELD: Well, sometimes. Did you notice what's behind her? A sea of white storm troopers.
WILLIAMS: I did, I did.
GUTFELD: A sea of white -- how does she explain that? Those guys were not good guys, if I remember.
By the way, this -- what you're seeing is a culmination of decades of academic deconstruction. If you go on academia, you are taught that you can see the evil intent of anything, whether it's books, or magazine articles or it's movies, and this is perpetuated. She has no job skills except to call these things out from other people who are really talented, who make movies or books. This is what she does. And if this is her anxiety in the year of terror, that she thinks Darth Vader is racist, what lucky anxieties to have.
BOLLING: I can take it -- we'll give you one step further. I believe she's a professor. If I'm not mistaken...
BOLLING: ... she teaches, and so -- and think of your children being taught by someone who has that much deep-seated -- I don't know -- animosity and looking to perpetuate a wider and wider race divide.
WILLIAMS: Let me just say, people of color in America do have racial paranoia, so I mean, I understand that. But I just thought that was the wildest theory, K.G. I didn't get it because, in fact, you know, she's even saying James Earl Jones. Why did they pick a black boy? I'm thinking James Earl Jones? That was great.
GUILFOYLE: It was great. I mean, there's something seriously wrong. Every time I look and I see the logo MSNBC and she's actually anchoring there, saying these, it's kind of bizarre. I mean, her therapist has definitely has job security. That's all the time this week. We'll be back next week.
PERINO: Well, I don't know. What do you think of this thing. It's an interesting theory of hers. I obviously don't share it. The whole thing of "Star Wars" is the battle of good versus evil. But I don't think that George Lucas, or J.J. Abrams, who is the director of the new movie, actually ever had any sort of racist intent at all. And in fact, last night on "60 Minutes," J.J. Abrams was featured, and he was talking about how there are -- there's a lot more diversity in the cast of this "Star Wars" then there has been in the past.
GUTFELD: I'm sorry. Who is Darth Vader? Who played him?
WILLIAMS: A guy named David Krause.
GUTFELD: Who's British.
GUTFELD: So it's another immigrant stealing jobs.
GUTFELD: So if this is an immigration story, David Krause was the giant bodybuilder from "Clockwork Orange."
WILLIAMS: By the way, he's angry at them, though. He says they haven't given him credit. But by the way, he's white, so there's a white actor in the Darth Vader. And by the way...
GUILFOYLE: Who cares? He's in a costume.
WILLIAMS: ... Luke Skywalker's white. This guy is his dad.
GUTFELD: What about you, Chewbacca?
BOLLING: I am your father.
WILLIAMS: You're my Dad. I always thought that. But Chewbacca, whose hairy father is that?
GUTFELD: I have no idea. He's a walking...
BOLLING: I think he's the only one at this table who has seen a "Star Wars" movie.
GUILFOYLE: No, I have. I've seen them.
WILLIAMS: Come on, you ought to be ashamed.
GUTFELD: This show is as close as you get to a canteen.
GUILFOYLE: I've seen all of them. Except obviously the new ones.
BOLLING: I'm the only one who hasn't, then.
PERINO: Get on it.
WILLIAMS: You think that everybody doesn't go to see "Star Wars."
All right. "One More Thing" up next.
PERINO: Oh, OK. There's some news out today that we didn't get to in the show, but I wanted to mention it. The U.S. Army said today that Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl will be forwarded to the general court martial proceedings. If convicted, he could get life in prison on his misbehavior charge and up to five years for desertion. He also could be dishonorably discharged, reduced in rank, and made to forfeit all pay.
I asked one of the platoon leaders if he had ever had any doubt that this step would be taken, and he said that, yes, because the officer overseeing the military equivalent of the grand jury recommended the case go to a lesser misdemeanor type of cart martial, and that only had a maximum sentence of one year. So the commanding general essentially overruled that officer, and now Sergeant Bergdahl faces a max of life in prison.
GUTFELD: All right.
PERINO: Little update.
GUILFOYLE: Talking about wonderful veterans and people that serve this country honorably and faithfully, volunteers placed more than 240,000 wreaths at graves at Arlington National Cemetery. Remember, we talked about this on the show before, when they were a little bit short to get the wreaths. They got them, and it means so much to the families to be able to see this. The program's called Wreaths Across America, and over 1700 volunteers helped place the wreaths on Saturday, which is really incredible. So God bless them for what they did.
BOLLING: Very much so.
BOLLING: OK. So the 2015 Heisman trophy was awarded on Saturday night. And I've got to tell you, this is probably the most deserving young recipient I've ever seen, a great guy. He rushed for over 2,000 yards, Alabama's awesome running back, Derrick Henry, 2,000 yard rush, regularly rushing for over 200 yards. But not only that, what a great guy. Take a listen.
GUILFOYLE: Very nice.
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DERRICK HENRY, HEISMAN TROPHY AWARD WINNER: God is everything and always keep him first. Always pray. Don't be afraid to pray. He'll always hear you cry. And if you have dreams, go chase them. If you believe it, you can achieve it. And God will be there every step of the way. I'm a living testament, man.
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BOLLING: That guy, keep your eye on him. Derrick Henry, you have quite a future, young man. Keep it straight. Good job.
GUILFOYLE: And a good role model. Wonderful.
We need more players like him.
GUTFELD: All right. Back to me.
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GUTFELD: Greg's Secrets to Happiness!
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GUTFELD: Hey, you know, I always wonder, when you see people sitting in restaurants, and you see -- do you sit across from somebody, your wife or spouse? Or do you sit next to them? I've always been interested in what brings more happiness.
I think I found the answer with this young couple, who are eating together.
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(GUINEA PIGS SITTING NEXT TO EACH OTHER SHARING FOOD)
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GUTFELD: Apparently, if you sit side by side, it is far easier for you to share your food unless, of course, it gets a little ugly and you can't give up -- you can't give up the last part, and then it turns into some kind of weird, perverse act. OK. Juan.
GUILFOYLE: Was that you on the right side?
WILLIAMS: All right. So last weekend it was off to the White House for the White House Christmas party, and so here are some pictures I brought back.
GUTFELD: Did you go? You were invited?
GUILFOYLE: Of course, he was.
WILLIAMS: Here I am with my wife Delise in front of one of the Christmas trees. But lots of FOX folks. There's Bret Baier with his friend, Paul. In fact, I got in an awkward situation where then a waiter spilled some stuff on him.
And there's Mike Emanuel with his daughter, Tess. And they're looking around the White House, and they're having fun.
And guess what? That's Chris Wallace, my buddy and his grandson standing with President Obama and the first lady. Everybody gets in there. I'm sure Chris asked for an interview.
And you know what was fun for me? So I went into the White House library, and there was one of my books on the shelf.
PERINO: That is the most creative book promotion I have ever seen!
BOLLING: You put it there, didn't you?
GUTFELD: Set your DVRs. Never miss an episode.
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