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Trust in White House's ability to protect US hits new low

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 11, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Geraldo Rivera, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

This might not come as a surprise to you, considering their response to Paris and San Bernardino, but trust in the Obama administration to protect us from a future terror attack is hitting new lows. A new Gallup poll says after San Bernardino, confidence in the federal government's ability to shield Americans from radical Islamic attacks has plummeted to a new low of 55 percent. While The New York Times survey shows fear of an attack is as high as it was after September 11th. Nineteen percent ranked terror threats as the top issue facing our country. Apparently, the polls are justified on The Kelly File, Department of Homeland Security Whistleblower Philip Haney, made this stunning revelation about how the Feds could have stopped San Bernardino attacks, but didn't.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MEGYN KELLY, THE KELLY FILE SHOW HOST: You say they shut you down because they felt this is essentially profiling of Muslims.

PHILIP HANEY, FORMER DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY EMPLOYEE: They specifically said that because we void the case and we got the internal memos. And it says that, we are not allowed to develop a case based on Tablighi Jamaat specifically, and/or any Islamic group. We started the case six years prior. Then I came to the National Targeting Center, worked on that case specifically. Then I went back to my home port and I discovered that, as soon as I left, they shut the case down.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Well, despite warnings from the FBI and DHS, when asked whether the president would travel to California in the wake of the deadly attack, Press Secretary Josh Earnest was in a state of denial, again, referring to gun violence, rather than terrorism.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I've not asked him this question directly, I'm sure that it's something that somebody here has considered. It's not uncommon for the president in the aftermath of some of these kinds of incidents to visit these communities that were touched so directly by the incidence of gun violence.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Guess what, you said this yesterday. You pointed this out yesterday.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: But I don't -- so the president actually, he gave a primetime address from the Oval Office, only his third in his administration in which he said, what the FBI said, he called it a terrorist attack. And yet, four days later, in a press briefing, Josh Earnest doesn't repeat what the president said. I mean, you're not gonna go beyond what the president said by calling it a terrorist attack because the president already did that. Been trying to water it down and saying incidents like these and -- no, this was the largest terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11. It's not any of the other horrible mass shootings that President Obama had to go to. There was the distinction here. And I thought Adam Housley said something really important on our show is that the very end, when we had him right before that Breaking News with the press conference about the lake and the search there. Yesterday, it was the first funeral for one of the victims. And he said that, you know, the families have been very patient, but it is come time for them to be, to find out why didn't authorities know anything about this? Why didn't we have the ability to try to at least detect it and try to prevent it? And those answers have been very slow to come.

BOLLING: Greg, any surprise that the Americans' fear of terrorism its highest level since 9/11, and the confidence in the administration is that, its lowest level under the administration -- under Obama.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: They should be. They should be scared. In this case, fear-mongering makes total sense. Think about, you learn a lot about somebody's priorities by the reactions after a major threat, by talking about guns after the biggest terror attack since 9/11. That is like washing your dishes during a house fire. And Earnest calling terrorism -- gun violence is like referring to cancer as a growth of cells. It is factually correct, but it offers no help in trying in trying to figure out solutions. Here's why --- this is a problem, there's a distinct difference between the left and right. The right usually believes rightly or wrongly, that the biggest problems are out there in the rest of the world. For the left, it's always the biggest problems are within, it's us. We are the problem. Sometimes we are right, sometimes we are wrong. But in the case of terror, the right is right. Terror takes precedents over unisex bathrooms, bullying and childhood obesity, but the left can't get that through their heads. And that ends up ultimately them, embracing people like Chavez or Mao or Stalin, because their internal failure, their internal guilt forces them never to admit that America is better.

BOLLING: And being wrong in this case is deadly.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: KG, Philip Haney, the whistleblower there said there was a fear of saying something because you were -- there was a worry about being labeled as a racist because of profiling. We heard the same thing from the neighbors of the Farook -- of Farook and his wife saying, "We saw stuff, but we don't want to say anything. We don't want to be racist.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: And we talked about this, and that's why political correctness and this fear that hangs over everyone like a dark cloud is making this country less safe. That's it. PC is equal to less safe. And that thanks to this administration and the indoctrination that they've put not only for the people that work with them, but just that whole feeling of like, you know, guilt over the country. If you are even to want to say something because you see something that isn't right, then you're the bad guy in the room and not the other person who in fact, might be. And that's a real crippling fear and emotion that people have, sort of a thread over them, worried about, OK, I'm going to be in trouble because of this. I mean, look at Comey. Comey can't go out and make a press conference or make a statement without Loretta Lynch as his babysitter to keep him on the White House's talking points. I mean it's really awkward.

BOLLING: And we -- are we not less safe than we've ever been?

GERALDO RIVERA, CO-HOST: I think the problem with the president and I believe that he will pay due respect to the victims of the slaughter in San Bernardino. The real problem, though, is that he's not waging the kind of war that we have to wage against an enemy, that my mom at 96 knows exactly who the enemy is. It is ISIS. It isn't Syria and Iraq. They have a geographic territory. Why aren't we defeating an enemy sworn to our destruction?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

RIVERA: I think it is it is, it is yes, it's his language. Yes, he's too cool for school. Yes, he had the unfortunate coincidence of the climate conference coming on the heels of the worst violence in Paris since World War II. But still he could be the military leader, that Oval often -- office address that Dana had mentioned at the top of the program, that was the time, that was the time for him to be FDR on December 7th and say, "this is the enemy, we will, I promise you, rest assured and we would have been somewhat complex."

BOLLING: Instead, we got a speech on, a lecture on gun violence and also lecture on making sure we're tolerant now going forward. You're right. He had an opportunity he'd looked.

RIVERA: But I think that those are also valid things.

GUTFELD: But there's a weird hypnotic spell. Like with the way when you're describing President Obama. It's a weird, almost like they're programmed. They can't get out of this programming from their academic history that says America is wrong. He can't bring himself to admit that the threat is out there. You notice that that it's almost hypnotic, he can't break it.

RIVERA: New York PD head what was called a demographics unit, the demographics unit paid attention to Muslim neighborhoods, because the obvious connection is Muslim neighborhood -- you know, people can get together, they can talk about the bad things, and it was so politically incorrect that they disbanded it when de Blasio became the mayor in 2014.

BOLLING: Hang in there guys. I want to do this. And we want to get to the sound bite. Do you think you're going to get something different under a potential President Hillary Clinton, then listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know I think his, his take on what needs to be done, is close to mine. I think we have to intensify and accelerate and you know, really kind of get the world behind us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right, let's bring it this way. Sounds like -- I don't know, Barack Obama 2.0.

GUILFOYLE: Well, that's exactly what it is gonna be, and if you're loving that and you love climate change and like obsessing about it at night, with a little cloud over your head, well, was me. Or if you're scared of like ISIS and the fact that the administration is hiding under the covers, instead of getting out and burning down the ISIS flag and crushing them completely -- yeah, make your choices then with confidence. But don't cry about it when you get the exact same thing. She is part and parcel of his failed foreign policy and national security. It's a fact.

BOLLING: Can I throw if I ask you, you didn't make that respond there, but it feels like you have Barack Obama on one side being -- appearing very soft. You have someone like Donald Trump on the other side appearing extremely strong. There's a wide gap between the two. Is she trying to like slide right through the middle of that?

RIVERA: Yes, absolutely, and that is the Clinton game plan. That's exactly she's going to triangulate. She's gonna go right through the middle. But I have to talk to Greg's point because he said in the disparaging way that liberals and the left look at their, you know, their inner angst, conservatives project, you know, it's the enemy is out there. I submit to you that by concentrating on the enemy abroad, we are missing a big part. What about Aurora? What about Sandy Hook? What about Tucson? What about the Colorado Springs? I mean there are many more people.

BOLLING: Mental illness, mental illness.

RIVERA: What -- yeah, mental illness. You have mental.

BOLLING: Well, that's what you're saying, are you not?

GUTFELD: That's kind of way to say. But I will say that there's a possibility that Hillary will become as war-like as any hardcore.

RIVERA: I heard.

GUTFELD: Hawk could be, to disprove the notion that a female can't be as powerful as a male -- saw that with Thatcher.

RIVERA: Oh.

GUTFELD: What?

RIVERA: Come on.

GUTFELD: No.

RIVERA: Because for sex?

GUTFELD: Yes. I am putting it all. She's the first.

RIVERA: Really? At least she's not sure.

GUTFELD: The woman, the woman.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.

GUTFELD: The woman -- as a woman, she has to dispel the myth that she can't be as hard as a man.

RIVERA: If you don't -- if you haven't seen Hillary Clinton's toughness, you may disagree with everything she stands for.

GUTFELD: Well, well.

RIVERA: But she and her husband are.

GUTFELD: She can't express toughness about terror.

RIVERA: National security.

GUTFELD: She can't express it about terror. I'm saying, she's waiting until she gets in.

BOLLING: Dana, what are your thoughts on this? Weigh in.

PERINO: Well, I think that, her people are finding and they research what Greg is saying is exactly what some people think. Whether that's true or not, and I'm not comfortable with somebody who is not willing to be the same person in a primary that they would be in a general.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: I want to know -- I think that actually she would be better off now to show a lot of toughness, because Bernie Sanders is not going to beat her.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: She's going to be.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

PERINO: She's never going to get to his left. I understand she wants to be able to help President Obama because she needs his voters as well, she doesn't want to irritate them. But this is also an interesting thing. Watch how very smart people, somewhat elitists, telling people that are worried about terrorism, that they are irrational, OK? That they have -- that the mathematical probability of you getting attacked or killed by a terror attacks.

GUTFELD: You get struck by lightning.

PERINO: Right. So they all, they point that out.

BOLLING: But by the way, by the way.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Yeah, we're supposed to believe that climate change is the number - - that that's rational? That, I mean, that's what they're trying -- those same elites will tell you that it's rational to worry about climate change more than terrorism. And that, I think commonsensically for American people is not adding up.

BOLLING: Speaking of adding up, the next terror attack that happens here cuts that the probability unlikelihood in half. And then one after that, quarters it. The number could actually get very, very dangerous -- very quickly.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Maybe if ISIS beheaded a polar bear.

BOLLING: That's it.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: And the left would be onboard.

GUTFELD: Yeah, yes, yes, yeah.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: On the last ice flow on the --

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.

PERINO: In arctic?

BOLLING: Here we go.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: It's so crazy. Yeah, it goes.

BOLLING: OK. We're going to leave it right there. Coming up, a new bombshell warning about ISIS -- are terrorists forging passports to try to inflate -- infiltrate into the U.S.? -- Details ahead.

And later, it's Facebook Friday. You got a question for us? Post it now on our Facebook page, facebook.com/thefivefnc. We will read some of them, back in the moment.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: FBI divers have returned for a second day to a San Bernardino lake, searching for clues into last week terror attack. The shooters, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, had reportedly dumped a hard drive into the water, and now investigators think they were planning something even worst. Jonathan Hunt joins us with the very latest. Jonathan?

JONATHAN HUNT, FOX NEWS CHIEF CORRESPONDENT: Kimberly, these are search of this San Bernardino Lake is ongoing and it is painstaking. A team of two FBI divers have been in these waters since dawn today, you can take a look. They are still in there right now. Each of them is basically searching between two white buoys that you can see mark their path. It's about a 50- yard wide stretch that each of them is looking on. They are doing it literally, inch by inch. Those waters are very dark, they're very murky. The divers tell us that they're essentially blind in there, and they're just using their hands to try to feel through what is in. There are certain places, several inches of mud to see if they can find this hard drive or indeed, any other evidence that might be there. And they say they will stay there until they have searched every single inch of that lake where they feel that those items could be.

Meantime, the FBI tells us they're also looking at a very other, a very interesting other aspect of this. They're looking at potential, and I emphasize potential here, potential connections between Syed Farook, his former neighbor, Enrique Marquez and a man by the name of Sohiel Kabir. Now Sohiel Kabir was convicted in 2014 of conspiring to support terrorism and kill Americans overseas. He was arrested in 2012. Why is that important? 2012 is when officials say that Farook and Marquez may have been discussing another attack that they ultimately called off. So are these two connected with Sohiel Kabir? The convicted terrorist, and anyway, take a look at this map. Sohiel Kabir worshipped at a mosque in Pomona, outside of L.A., not far from last week's shooting site. Farook worshipped at a mosque in Riverside, about 30 minutes away. Marquez worshipped at a mosque in Corona. And Sobir - Kabir, also met with potential recruits and actual recruits to his conspiracy, including three others who are convicted within at a bar called the Velvet Room hookah lounge in Ontario. All of those locations within about a 30-minute drive of each other, does it prove anything? No. But the FBI wants to know if there any connections at all between Farook and these convicted terrorists. Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Jonathan, excellent report. Thank you.

And disturbing new report suggests ISIS members may have the ability to enter the U.S. with fake passports. The Department of Homeland Security reveals the group, possibly got its hands on a passport printing machine. Rob O'Neill, the Navy SEAL who killed bin Laden, issued a frightening warning.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROBERT O'NEILL, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: There were passports on two of the suicide bombers in Paris. There -- and these are Syrian passports, not as Syrians coming in, they could be from anywhere. These are all over the place. Ever since, ever since ISIS took Raqqah, they've had this capability, and this is just one way for ISIS to creep in with the migrants. And it's -- I mean, they've been saying they're going to do it, and they're doing it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: This is another example, Eric, of ISIS telling us they're going to do something, and then in fact they follow through on it. Good for their word is the only positive thing I can say.

BOLLING: But what a surprise, you mean, ISIS is actually going to use a fake passport? Oh my.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: Oh my, gosh, why didn't we think of that?

GUILFOYLE: And pose a Syrian refugee?

BOLLING: So you need something else besides a passport to get into the country. You need a visa, right? So we need to definitely tie up that visa program and they're trying to do it, there's some legislation going through. That needs to happen. Look, Dana has pointed out time and time again. More worrisome than anyone getting in with a visa or passport as the ones that are sneaking through the southern border, because we know, literally, tens of thousands come through every day.

RIVERA: I totally disagree.

PERINO: I -- well, I.

RIVERA: I totally disagree.

PERINO: Illegally -- and it was getting here and.

RIVERA: There has never been.

BOLLING: Yeah.

RIVERA: A confirmed terrorist penetration of the southern border.

BOLLING: Yes.

RIVERA: And secondly, in terms of this fake passport, the only passport they have the capability of counterfeiting are Syrian passport.

BOLLING: No, no, we're talking about.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: And in terms of visa, a far more, a far more -- if you look at the 19 hijackers in 9/11, what do they share in common? They were all here legally. They overstayed their visa. Why not do what Rand Paul suggests, when you come in, have a computer program that says OK, here's the Jack from France. All right, Jack, you came in on this visa, you have 90 days. On the 91st day, I want the computer program saying, Jack's now overstayed his visa, because there's no exit visa. Why don't we have that? That is something.

PERINO: And how you gonna track it?

RIVERA: That should easily, tracking people who come on visas. And so when they overstay, you'll know immediately that they overstayed. So you - what do you do? You send a notice to their computer, their electronic device. If they go rogue, they go fugitive, they go underground, you'll know right away. We have no idea who is overstaying right now.

GUILFOYLE: OK. But also the report is that they may have a passport printing machine and blank passports. I don't think.

RIVERA: Syrian passports?

GUILFOYLE: No.

RIVERA: Or Korean (ph) passports?

GUILFOYLE: No. No, the point is, I don't think it's going to be a limited to just Syrian passport, that's what we've seen thus, far that he mentioned.

RIVERA: And they seized the blank Syrian passports when they took that town, not Raqqah, the other town. They also seized the machinery for the printing of the.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

RIVERA: Of the Syrian passports.

GUILFOYLE: Way to say, not.

RIVERA: They have no capability.

GUILFOYLE: But now that they have all that.

RIVERA: Before as anybody knows.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

RIVERA: For any other passport.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

GUTFELD: We don't really know what they're gonna do with it. Perhaps, they're just - they want to make fake IDs for underage drinkers. I don't think, I don't think we've thought this through.

PERINO: Or got to this far.

GUTFELD: Look, can I talk.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: About cash on tax has been.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Apparently, she had contacted extremist groups and was ignored by them. Why? Because she's a woman. So how sexist is ISIS? -- No, it's true, Geraldo. And where is Lena Dunham.

RIVERA: She was ignored because they feared a sting.

GUTFELD: You can't tell that I'm joking?

RIVERA: I'm sorry.

GUTFELD: OK.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: You ruined that joke. Anyway, Tashfeen is martyred. Does she get 72 virgins? And if the 72 virgins are female, what if she's not a lesbian? That's unfair.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.

GUTFELD: So if the 72 lesbians happen to be previous suicide bombers, that's some serious.

RIVERA: I shouldn't interrupt that joke.

GUTFELD: Yeah. You've been ruined them anyway.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. You -- the control room is losing it right now.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: With the lost passages of the Koran, so they can find out what.

GUTFELD: We are, exactly.

PERINO: For that. It might not have addressed that back in which is today.

BOLLING: As soon she gets what she wants?

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: Like when he --

GUTFELD: yeah, it's unfair.

BOLLING: I'll take -- anyway.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: I will tell you what, Tashfeen did, though. She changed the face - - women in America are now saying, oh, this could be a man or it could be a women -- woman. We need to definitely step up.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: No, because.

GUILFOYLE: There you go...

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Oh, you mean -- no, no, no.

BOLLING: You doubled the number of.

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: Potential terrorists.

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: In America. That's all I'm saying. That wasn't.

GUTFELD: And you're forgetting --

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: Forgetting.

GUILFOYLE: Please. We don't need to be held after today.

GUTFELD: Never mind.

(CROSSTALK) GUILFOYLE: No, no, no. I think.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Why was it? Why I want to (inaudible)?

GUILFOYLE: No, no, no. And I'm going to pull the rip cord on this one. We're leaving here at 6:00 a.m. Special Report, back in awhile.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, directly ahead.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: The Benghazi scandal is far from over. What the victims' families are accusing Hillary Clinton of doing? That's next, stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: All right. It may go down as Hillary Clinton's worst moment of her tenure. Days after the Benghazi attack, that the victims transfer of remain ceremony. Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: We've seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: For three years, the families have been seeking answers, promised to them by Clinton. This past October, she testified on Capitol Hill for the second time about the attack on our consulate. The families of the victims spoke out, demanding the truth.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PATRICIA SMITH, MOTHER OF SEAN SMITH: She told me something entirely different at the casket ceremony. She said it was the cause of the video. And that she would get back to me and tell me what happened with my son.

MICHAEL INGMIRE, NEPHEW KILLED IN BENGHAZI ATTACK: Hillary Clinton is a serial liar. Hillary Clinton really has a difficult time maintaining a consistent level of truth.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: And this past week, she was once again asked about the video.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC'S THIS WEEK HOST: Did you tell them it was about the film? And what's your response?

CLINTON: No. You know, look, I understand the continuing grief at the loss that parents experienced with the loss of these four brave Americans. And I did testify, as you know, for 11 hours. And I answered all of these questions. Now, I can't -- I can't help it. The people think there has to be something else there. I said very clearly, there had been a terrorist group that had taken responsibility on Facebook between the times that I, you know, when I talked to my daughter, that was the latest information.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: The sister of victim Glen Doherty, not taking the secretary's claims lightly, slamming Clinton for what she says are blatant lies.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KATE QUIGLEY, SISTER OF GLEN DOHERTY: It doesn't surprise me that she would say that. I know what she said to me and she can say all day long that she didn't say it but, you know, that's her cross to bear, you know. She knows that she knew what happened that day and she wasn't truthful.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: The family stories remain consistent, while Hillary Clinton's do not. And even if she testified for 11 -hours, that she's -- she's expecting now Greg, for us to believe her over people who have been consistent in their stories for four years and what she told them.

GUTFELD: I wouldn't be so quick to blame Hillary. I think she still has PTSD from being shot at by that sniper in Bosnia.

PERINO: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: Look, this campaign ad is already written. It's so easy that Michael Moore could do it from his over-sized commode. Side by side, she lied. And you put it next to the victims' families, it is so easy.

By the way, she is actually more deceitful than her husband. She lies about what she does. He lies about who he does. She blames a video. He probably made a few. But boy, she's more disgusting than he is.

GUILFOYLE: OK. That's so "60 Minutes" like. My goodness. I mean, I'm just -- wow.

GUTFELD: Blown away by the eloquence.

RIVERA: But Dana, help me out. What is new here? Now, I've heard the victims and some of those...

GUTFELD: Geraldo -- I guess that's not new.

PERINO: That's not new.

RIVERA: She just lied? Didn't this happen in 2012, September 2012?

GUTFELD: She lied about...

RIVERA: September 14, 2012? We've heard -- we've heard the testimony was in October. Eleven-hour testimony. I'm not exactly sure where the news is.

The families have one recollection and we -- our hearts go out to them, obviously. Clinton has another.

GUILFOYLE: So all the families are liars and she's not, even though she told Chelsea Clinton the truth the night that happened.

RIVERA: I didn't say that at all, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: All lives don't matter? I don't think that Republicans can count on this paragraph being their entire campaign going forward. Because nothing -- nothing has changed.

PERINO: Since you asked me -- it was not a Republican that asked her that question. If she was consistent in what she had said from the beginning, she wouldn't have this problem of being asked about it on a Sunday show.

What she is asking to us do now is to believe that her new story is the correct story. Even though we have it on tape what she's saying. We have four of the victims' families saying exactly what they heard her tell them, which is Eric -- get in here, that she -- it will be dedicated to making sure that they make sure that the video maker pays a price. So our instinct, first of all, was to blame the video maker.

She goes to Dover. She says that at the -- while the caskets are there, tells the families that. And now it's George Stephanopoulos on this week on ABC, that's asking her about it, not Republicans. And I think that's the difference. That's her problem.

And the worst part of this is we now have an email of her sending an email to her daughter, Chelsea, saying -- blaming terror within hours of the attack, mentioning terror. Looks like a terror attack to me, to us. Yada, yada, yada.

And then after that, stands up in front of the draped caskets and says it's the video. Blames the video. And who cares, Geraldo, if it's brand-new news or three-year-old news? She still lied, and she wants to be president.

RIVERA: Eric. Do you...

BOLLING: That's why it matters today.

RIVERA: Do you concede the attack on the embassy in Cairo, Egypt, which is adjacent to Libya, was caused by the video? Do you concede that?

BOLLING: What does that have to do with four Americans dying?

RIVERA: Because they were simultaneous attacks on several of our embassies.

BOLLING: Are you trying to...

PERINO: But Hillary said it was a terror attack.

BOLLING: It was terror. What she wrote her own daughter.

RIVERA: I'm suggesting she...

BOLLING: She wrote her own daughter it was terror.

RIVERA: ... write her own daughter as if -- she said it was on Mars, and it was really on Jupiter?

GUTFELD: It wasn't caused by the video. We know that.

BOLLING: I'm not speculating.

RIVERA: Do we know that?

GUTFELD: Do you want me to walk through how it happened?

PERINO: She just said -- She just said, "No, I said it was a terror attack and not video." That's what she just said four days ago.

BOLLING: And we have an email...

RIVERA: I'm not here to defend Hillary Clinton.

BOLLING: Yes, you are. You are.

RIVERA: I am? How can you...?

BOLLING: You're asking me about what I think happened.

RIVERA: And then the same day the embassy in Cairo was attacked by a mob motivated by a video. Is that true or not?

BOLLING: I don't know. I have no idea. Nor do I care.

GUTFELD: ... exactly what happened. Abdul was sitting at home looking at cat videos, smoking hookah, and all of a sudden he sees a video of Mohammed and he goes, "Oh, my God. I'm normally an accountant, a veterinarian, but no, I'm so angry I'm going to leave my house. On a coincidence, September 11. It's a coincidence that I'm angry. Where does this cache of weapons come from? I've miraculously found these weapons. I'm going to go to the embassy and kill four people. It's a coincidence on 9/11."

RIVERA: Aside -- aside from your miracle monologue, what caused the attack on the embassy in Cairo?

GUTFELD: It was planned. Ask Hillary.

RIVERA: The attack on Cairo was planned also. It w

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: It was planned?

PERINO: Nice try. Kimberly, I'm going to leave you with this, get the last comment on this. Let's talk about how much that doesn't matter. Kimberly, I'll leave with you this, this story is not being brought up by Republicans necessarily.

January 15, just a few short weeks from now, the movie, "Thirteen Hours" -- I think we have some B-roll of that -- that is going to air on January 15th. No one has seen the whole movie yet. But we are going to get more information on what happened based on the book and the movie.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. It's going to be interesting to see what -- you know, the narrative that goes forward. But I think it's going to put this idea of what happened back in the forefront, which is also going to cast, you know, doubt on Hillary Clinton and her lack of a relationship with the truth.

And to me, lies do matter. Old lies do matter, especially when they cause people's lives. And you lie to the American people, and you want to be the commander in chief. Lies like that don't expire like that.

RIVERA: Is it a lie when you say Muslims were celebrating in Jersey City? Is that a lie?

GUILFOYLE: What does that have to do with anything about Benghazi?

RIVERA: Because if strict veracity, as you test it, is the disqualifier, then I submit to you that we have very few candidates for president.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, call them up. The point is, I'm talking about Hillary Clinton and about choices that people have, real choices to make that involve integrity and character and honesty and not lying to Americans who have lost their loved ones and they shouldn't have, if somebody cared. But with friends like Hillary Clinton, ask Ambassador Smith.

PERINO: All right. We're going to take a sharp turn. Stay tuned, because Facebook Friday is up next. We're answering your questions, so don't go away.

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GUTFELD: It's "Facebook Friday." Time to answer your questions. All right, Kimberly. We're going to go to you first.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

GUTFELD: This is from Fran T. "Do you put up a real or a fake Christmas tree?" Is it real, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: So many questions. So, yes.

PERINO: It's real.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Yes. Use your imagination. Thanks, Geraldo.

GUTFELD: You put up a tree?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I put up a tree. So this year my brother sent me a tree. It was unbelievable. It snaps in, like, three parts and has the lights already on it. And I did that, because I always love to go get a real tree and, like, carry it down the street and the whole deal.

But I'm moving, so it was going to be very difficult over the holidays to move and to take down, so I'm just going to carry the fake tree with me. It looks gorgeous, and I think it's the spirit of the holidays that count.

RIVERA: I'm half Jewish and half Catholic, so it depends on the religion of my wife.

GUTFELD: Really? Really?

GUILFOYLE: What do you mean?

RIVERA: You know, when I was -- I had the...

GUILFOYLE: Erica, hello.

RIVERA: Erica, has no Christmas tree. Except if we go away. Then we have a Christmas tree.

GUTFELD: Well, that's an interesting story.

RIVERA: Thank you.

GUTFELD: Said no one ever. No, I'm kidding. Eric.

BOLLING: So it's real, and this year my wife said, you know, "Why don't you look on putting the lights on the Christmas tree? Why don't you watch a video. I heard they're really good."

So I swear to God I did this. "Homes and Gardens" or HGTV did this. And it said start with the female end at the bottom and work your way up. I always start at the top, work my way down. It's always been fine. She told me to do this.

I start at the female, and I go back and do exactly what I'm supposed to do. I swear to God, I end up at the top and I have another female end at the top and I can't figure out why. And now I have to figure out -- do not ever -- so my answer was get an extension cord with two male sides. You can't do that, though.

GUTFELD: So men can now marry. Men can marry, but you can't get two males together on your Christmas tree.

PERINO: That's an outrage in the electronics world. How intolerant.

GUTFELD: By the way, I commend everybody here on not making a single perverted joke during this entire segment.

BOLLING: sYou were trying.

GUTFELD: I was trying not to.

PERINO: What joke would that have been?

GUTFELD: I have no idea, Dana.

PERINO: Well, you made a lot of faces.

GUTFELD: I do.

PERINO: I don't have a tree yet.

GUTFELD: Really?

PERINO: Grandchildren are coming from Scotland, and I think they're going to have to have a tree, and I imagine it will be a real one.

GUTFELD: Don't have a -- just dash their hopes.

PERINO: I would prefer not. I'd rather not have a tree.

GUTFELD: I don't understand having the corpse of wood and fern in the middle of your house. I mean, if you want that, just have a picture of John Kerry, am I right?

But you know, it's terrible. You cut down a tree. You cut down a tree. You put it in your -- odd.

All right. Now we'll go this way.

GUILFOYLE: I hung my ornament from you, the White House Christmas tree ornament.

GUTFELD: Moving on, Kimberly. You had your chance.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Whatever.

GUTFELD: This is from Tom W., Dana: "What would be the first question you might ask President Obama on his first day after leaving the office of presidency?"

PERINO: Well, I mean, you could be sarcastic. One could be with the answer to this.

But on the day that he leaves, I would say why did you pardon Ed Snowden?

GUTFELD: Ooh.

PERINO: Because I have a prediction. I do think that he's going to pardon Ed Snowden. I'm just putting it out there.

RIVERA: No way.

PERINO: How about that?

BOLLING: I wonder what his thing is going to be, whether it's going to be climate change; is it going to be social income inequality, who knows?

GUILFOYLE: Climate change.

BOLLING: There's a lot of money in it. There's a ton of...

GUILFOYLE: Climate czar. Climate czar.

PERINO: I think he'll probably do a lot of things.

RIVERA: I'll ask him why he didn't answer my question at the Paris press conference, where he would have revealed Turkey was double dealing oil with ISIS, and why is he giving interviews to everybody including the Dog Food Channel before he gave an interview to me.

GUTFELD: Well, that's a good question.

PERINO: Well, I would do an interview with the Dog Food Channel.

GUILFOYLE: Why didn't you destroy ISIS when you could have?

GUTFELD: Why quibble over kibble.

GUILFOYLE: A less safe position.

GUTFELD: What was your question?

GUILFOYLE: You talked over it.

GUTFELD: Do it again. I'm sorry.

GUILFOYLE: I said why didn't you destroy ISIS when you could have and you left us in a worst position? Unsafe.

RIVERA: And what was your joke?

GUTFELD: I don't remember. But you know what?

GUILFOYLE: Pales in comparison.

GUTFELD: The first question I would ask after he's left is -- seriously, born in Kenya? And he'll go...

GUILFOYLE: You're doing your best.

GUTFELD: Of course, everybody knew. It wasn't like I was hiding it.

I can't hear you. Do you want me to do another question or not?

GUILFOYLE: They're saying you need to apologize.

GUTFELD: Yes, OK, I'll start with you, Eric. From Shon B. -- S-H-O-N, by the way -- "Who's going to be the next Republican candidate to drop out?"

BOLLING: There's been rumors of -- I actually heard Rand Paul and Jeb Bush on the Internet. I have no idea.

PERINO: On the Internet?

BOLLING: On the Internet.

RIVERA: I would say Lindsey Graham before South Carolina.

PERINO: I'm going Pataki.

GUTFELD: I'm going Pataki.

BOLLING: So everyone stays through Iowa and New Hampshire?

GUTFELD: Is he still in it?

RIVERA: Pataki is still in there.

BOLLING: Is he still in there?

GUILFOYLE: Listen anybody who still has the biscotti, they got some money to spend still, they're staying in.

GUTFELD: I don't know what it means. Pataki on the attacki is what you're saying.

PERINO: Cookies? The biscotti cookies.

GUTFELD: Biscotti. You've never had biscotti?

PERINO: No, I have. I didn't know you could say it was like money?

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: Can you?

GUILFOYLE: It's just a figure of speech, OK?

PERINO: You are so good at Facebook...

GUTFELD: I am.

GUILFOYLE: You're terrible at this.

BOLLING: What's your answer?

GUTFELD: I was Pataki, I think Pataki.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, Pataki, that's...

PERINO: He's a great guy. But I don't...

GUTFELD: Or Rand. I don't know.

OK. Up next, a real segment. Bowe Bergdahl breaks his silence, says he's no deserter, more like a real-life action hero.

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BOWE BERGDAHL, FORMER PRISONER OF WAR: Doing what I did was me saying I am like, I don't know, Jason Bourne.

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GUTFELD: New revelations directly from the Army deserter, when we return.

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RIVERA: Welcome back to "The Five." FOX News has obtained new photographs of Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl in Afghanistan. In the shots, Bergdahl seems happy and relaxed and the complete opposite of the anxious, confused wannabe superhero that he claims he was when he walked away from the base back in 2009.

In his first public interview, airing on the popular podcast "Serial," Bergdahl claims he left in order to draw attention to the problems with his unit's leadership.

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BERGDAHL: All's I was seeing was basically leadership failure to the point that the lives of the guys standing next to me were literally, from what I could see, in danger of something seriously going wrong and somebody being killed.

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RIVERA: So he says he wants to be a whistleblower. But shortly after deserting his post, Sergeant Bergdahl gives us a glimpse of when he realized that he had stepped off a cliff.

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BERGDAHL: Twenty minutes out I'm going, "Good grief, I'm in over my head. This is -- you know, they're going to -- when I get back to the FOB, they're going to hit me with everything they can." I knew that was going to happen, but suddenly, you know, it really starts to sink in: I really did something bad. Not bad, but I did -- I really did something serious.

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RIVERA: Now Eric, which irks you more?

BOLLING: All of it.

RIVERA: Is it Sergeant Bergdahl, the deserter? Or is it the fact that President Obama did the trade for the five?

BOLLING: First and foremost, that Bergdahl deserted and then visioning himself as Jason Bourne, the action hero and then talking on the heels of the five-for-one trade, which I believe was because President Obama was trying to liquidate Gitmo at any cost, and this was an opportunity get rid of five more.

GUILFOYLE: Five of the worst.

BOLLING: It's terrible that he's doing this. And if I were the FBI, the CIA and everyone in the intel community, I'd keep an eye on him. He do it again. He could desert again from here.

RIVERA: Well, he's not -- he's not in detention, Kimberly. You know...

GUILFOYLE: Well, you know where to find him. He hangs out in the marijuana fields in California.

RIVERA: The hearing officer and the investigator suggest that he should not get jail time.

GUILFOYLE: Why?

RIVERA: Why do you think?

GUILFOYLE: Because he's kind of crazy?

RIVERA: They say he's delusional, but sincere.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, that's the best evidence to suggest it. I mean, he's a traitor. He should get the full punishment that is allotted to him. He lost lives. He said he was worried that the lives were in danger, the people -- the guys serving next to him. You caused people to lose their lives, you coward, Bergdahl.

He makes me sick.

RIVERA: And Dana, do you think that he should be treated the way war-time deserters have historically been treated? You know...

PERINO: Absolutely. I think the Defense Department has to do that.

RIVERA: But what do you think about this recommendation that he not do any jail time?

PERINO: You know, I think we're still waiting for it all to come out. What I do think is interesting is that the left, through this "Serial" podcast, does what they typically do, which is to, and I think in a way sort of glorify him and give him a way to do some excuses.

Now there's more to come. So maybe we'll find out if he's asked a question, if he had, when he had these grandeurs of being Jason Bourne, did he give any consideration to the men that were going to be put in danger that were going to have to go look for him? I hope they asked him that question. They didn't release that today.

RIVERA: Do you think it was really about GITMO, like Eric does?

GUTFELD: Part of it is, he's not like Jason Bourne. He's more like Jason Biggs.

It's about the Rose Garden. It was -- what the White House was willing to sacrifice for a glorious photo op. So essentially, they traded five terrorists for Bowe, which is like trading five ICBMs for a nerf gun. It's really about President Obama seeing an opportunity to make himself look like the great savior.

BOLLING: Well, I...

GUILFOYLE: He gave up five of the worst so that he could empty out GITMO, because those are the guys that are going to be problematic to shut it down completely.

RIVERA: I think GITMO is a shyster's ploy to avoid the Constitution of the United States. And I say we don't leave anyone in the field, even a jerk like Bergdahl.

PERINO: Nobody disagreed with that.

RIVERA: "One More Thing" is next.

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BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." K.G., you're up first.

GUILFOYLE: Well, my beautiful friend, Ainsley Earhardt, was on "FOX and Friends" this morning with her gorgeous baby girl, Hayden Dubose Proctor, and there she is. She looks absolutely fantastic. So it was cute.

And so take a listen to this. It's a little from the pediatrician, Dr. Robert Hamilton, on the best way to hold and calm a crying baby.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To do over. Ainsley -- Do it there we go. There you go. Now you've got it.

AINSLEY EARHARDT, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: My husband is the football player, not me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Great job.

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BOLLING: Aw.

GUILFOYLE: Super cute, and the baby was great. And everybody loved her. She's absolutely gorgeous. As gorgeous as Ainsley.

BOLLING: Very good.

GUILFOYLE: Very happy for our dear friend.

BOLLING: Thank you. OK, Dana, you're up.

PERINO: All right. Are you excited for some continuing education?

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: I'm sure you are. I did something that was sort of new to me, and I wanted to tell you about it. It's an online class. It basically takes chapter 5 of my book, was basically about mentoring. The class is called career and life lessons for success and joy. It just launched at YoutoMe.com. So you can check it out there.

There's lots of other class there, too, from computers to mentoring, networking, all sorts of things like that. I think we had another picture, too.

My favorite piece of advice from the book was choosing to be loved is not a career-limiting decision, and that was from Peter's 60th birthday. Everybody was here. Geraldo, who I didn't know well enough to come to the party, but you will be there for the 65th.

RIVERA: There I go.

GUILFOYLE: That was very cute. Did you have any makeup on? You looked so gorgeous.

PERINO: I actually felt like I had a ton of makeup on.

GUTFELD: This is a great conversation.

BOLLING: You're up.

GUTFELD: "Greg Gutfeld Show," tomorrow night, new date and place, 10 p.m., Saturday.

BOLLING: It's like your high school photo.

GUTFELD: All terror all the time. I've got Terry Shapper (ph), Anthony Cumia (ph).

Speaking of terror, we're living in a crazy time. So I wanted to salute the roughly 800 or so Muslim police officers that work currently in the New York Police Department. That's a picture of the Muslim Officer Society. Whose main purpose is to contribute to the preservation of the United States, so I salute these guys.

BOLLING: Geraldo.

RIVERA: I've been away, as you know, for almost three weeks in Europe, spending time with my daughter, Simone. And I didn't want to say that she had gone back to Paris, but she did to complete her course. She's home. She just called me. I swear to God, three minutes ago she called me on the air and said she's locked out of the apartment. I better get home and let her in. She's home safe and sound.

GUILFOYLE: Very sweet.

BOLLING: Very nice, Geraldo. Very, very nice.

OK, so I'm going to be hosting "The O'Reilly Factor" tonight. Also all about terror. Check it out, 8 p.m. Eastern. DVR that one. We have a lot of great guests, too many to talk about right now.

But looking forward to doing that again.

PERINO: "Cashin' In"?

BOLLING: "Cashin' in, 11:30 tomorrow morning.

GUILFOYLE: Wake up America.

BOLLING: Wake up, America.

GUILFOYLE: Trending.

BOLLING: We had so much time. Any time you go after Geraldo, you...

GUTFELD: He talks all the way to the end. And then he keeps talking.

BOLLING: It's an addiction.

RIVERA: I've never known anyone to tweet as much. You're a tweet-a-mania.

BOLLING: That's it for us. Have a great weekend, everybody. We'll see you back here on Monday. "Special Report" coming up right now.

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