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Rubio: We are at war with radical jihadists; Fiorina: Hillary is 'dangerous' for national security

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," November 23, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." Tonight, terrorism is the American voters' number one concern. According to a brand-new Fox News poll, 24 percent of voters rank terrorism as the issue that they are most worried about, with the economy coming in second.

And contrary to what President Obama and the Democrats have been saying, according to the same Fox poll, 66 percent of voters think that Americans are at war with radical Islam.

Now, despite a large majority of Americans recognizing this ongoing conflict with terrorists who are acting in the name of Islam, the Democrats still refuse to admit this. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: We must absolutely reject that we are somehow at war with an entire religion. The United States could never be at war with any religion because America is made up of multiple religions. We're strengthened by people from every religion, including Muslim Americans.

HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Now, unlike the Democrats, 2016 GOP presidential candidate Senator Marco Rubio is taking the issue of radical Islam head on in a brand-new ad. Let's look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. MARCO RUBIO, R-FLA., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is a civilizational struggle between the values of freedom and liberty and radical Islamic terror. What happened in Paris could happen here. There is no middle ground. These aren't disgruntled or disempowered people.  These are radical terrorists who want to kill us because we let women drive, because we let girls go to school.

I'm Marco Rubio. I approved this message because there can be no arrangement or negotiation. Either they win or we do.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: All right. Here with reaction, 2016 Republican presidential candidate, the great senator from the great state of Florida, Marco Rubio.  Sir, how are you?

RUBIO: I'm good. How are you, Sean?

HANNITY: You know, it's always peace and prosperity that drive elections. I would argue peace, prosperity, immigration, the refugee problem are going to be really big issues this year.

The president continues to insist that we take in Syrian refugees, even though James Clapper and even though our FBI director and assistant FBI director and the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee in the House are all saying that is ISIS likely to infiltrate the population.

Why is the president willing to gamble with the lives of the American people, especially in light of the fact that this just happened in Paris?

RUBIO: Well, first, you just ran clips from Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama that just boil my blood. No one -- who is saying that we're at war with Muslims? No one is saying that we're at war with an entire religion. We're helping the Kurds. They're Muslims. We're trying to empower Sunnis on the ground to defeat ISIS. They're Muslims. We work very closely with Jordan and Egypt. They're Muslims. We are at war with radical jihadists who are motivated by their interpretation of Islam.

By the way, they consider Sunnis that don't agree with them as heretics. They consider all Shia as heretics. They consider, obviously, Christians and Jews as heretics.

We are in a civilizational struggle between these radical lunatics who are motivated by their interpretation of their faith and our values of liberty and freedom and the opportunity for all. And so...

HANNITY: So there is this conflict...

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: There is this conflict of cultures. And I think you're raising a good point. The DNC just came out with a new ad saying that equating Islam, all Muslims, with terrorists -- and they actually quoted you in the ad and they quoted four of your fellow GOP candidates. Your quote was the same as theirs. We are at war with radical Islam. That is not saying all Muslims!

RUBIO: Right.

HANNITY: It contradicts their own ad, but that's the false narrative, just like Republicans are racists, just like Republicans want to throw granny over the cliff.

RUBIO: Yes. So one of the arguments I've made consistently is that ISIS needs to be defeated by a ground force that's made up primarily of Sunni Arabs because these are Sunni Arab territories that they've taken hold of. How is -- we're working with them to defeat them. You know, the Egyptian military is someone we need to be working more closely with.  They're a key part of the Camp David accord security arrangements. They're Muslim. And they say that these guys are radical Islamists because that is what they are.

And it is important to identify who they are and what they're motivated by because if you don't know what motivates -- if you're not going to acknowledge what motivates your adversary, then you can't come up with a strategy to defeat them. They're not motivated by wanting to govern Syria and Iraq, they want to dominate the world.

HANNITY: If the top security director in this country, our FBI director, assistant FBI director, Homeland Security chairman -- if all these people are making the case that it's likely that ISIS will infiltrate the refugee population, I go back to my original question. Why would this president gamble with American lives? Why would he possibly do that?

RUBIO: Well, I don't understand. You'll obviously have to ask him if you ever get a chance. I think, quite frankly, they're very irresponsible and very incompetent on the work that they do. But on the Syrian point, on the refugee point, it's not that America is saying, We don't want any refugees. What we're saying is you can't come here as a refugee if we can't vet you. And all I said is we are not going to be able to vet most of these people.

Now, common sense still applies. If it's a 6-year-old orphan, if it's a 90-year-old senior citizen, if it's a Chaldean priest from the Middle East, you can vet someone like that. That's common sense. But if it's someone we know nothing about there is no database -- I don't care how many databases they run these names against, there is no reliable database for to us to use to vet thousands of people coming from an unstable part of the world and where documents are often forged.

And that's the point we've made repeatedly, is we know that this -- we know for a fact that ISIS is seeking to use the refugee crisis as a way to infiltrate fighters into foreign countries. How can we possibly ignore that?

HANNITY: All right, so if we look at the numbers -- and we have 66 percent believe we are at war with radical Islamists, that's a pretty significant number. Sixty-seven percent of Americans oppose the president's refugee plan to bring Syrian refugees here. Sixty-five (sic) of Americans don't think the president's aggressive enough. There was a poll by the Center for Research and Policy Studies, 13 percent of Syrian refugees have at least a somewhat positive view of ISIS. Fifty percent of Democrats oppose the refugee crisis (sic) in the FOX poll.

So my question is, how do Republicans stop this? I know he's the commander-in-chief, but your -- Congress has the power of the purse. Can it be stopped?

RUBIO: It can, and I think part of it is the funding mechanism that's used. You'd hate to use that because it would impact all refugees if you did it that way. The other is, for example, the House has taken measures to make it stricter in terms of the vetting process. It would require the FBI director and other agency heads to personally attest...

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: What if they say, Based on what we know now? I don't have a lot of faith in that language.

RUBIO: Yes, but you know what? They're not even saying that. I mean, that's one of the reasons why they oppose it. They've obviously said -- the FBI director has said and others have said, Well, we can't possibly do that. I mean, we can't guarantee everybody.

Well, that's the problem. And my point that I've made is if you allow 10,000 people in and 9,999 of them are good people and one of them happens to be an ISIS killer, you have a problem.

This is an issue in which you have to be 100 percent right because just to be wrong on one person would be enough to potentially trigger an attack within the United States.

HANNITY: All right, it's scary. Stay right there. We'll have more with senator Rubio right after the break.

Then later tonight...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON:  It just doesn't work for us to act like we're going to shut our borders and pull up the gangplank.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Hillary copies President Obama's attack line, claims Republicans warning against accepting Syrian refugees is somehow helping ISIS. 2016 GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina's here to respond.

And then later tonight...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you'd bring back waterboarding?

DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have to -- I would -- I would bring it back, yes. I would bring it back. I think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they'd do to us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Donald Trump -- he didn't hold back when asked about how he would take on ISIS. Would that be the best way to stop an attack here in America? That and much more straight ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity" As we continue with 2016 GOP presidential candidate Senator Marco Rubio. Senator, let's talk a little about the race, put up some poll numbers. Fox News poll has you and Ted Cruz tied at 14 percent. It seems Ben Carson, in light of a lot of -- he took a lot of negative hits last week. He's down fairly significantly.

Then we have a head-to-head matchup, Fox News poll, you beating Hillary Clinton 50 to 42 percent, I believe more than any other candidate.  What is your take on those polls as we now get closer to Iowa?

RUBIO: Well, you know, Sean, I never get too excited about polls one way or the other. We've been up and down. And so to me, I mean, it's interesting to read and look at it, but I'm more interested in the direction of the race that it's going. I mean, this is a race that's becoming increasingly about national security, and it's good that it has because that's what -- that's the predominant job of a president is to be the commander-in-chief.

We also have to talk about the millions of Americans who feel like outsiders in their own country, growing number of Americans who feel like they're being left behind. They have traditional values, and if they espouse those values, they're called bigots and haters. They're stuck in jobs that don't pay enough. They're living paycheck to paycheck or they're at home because they can't find a job or they've been replaced by a machine.

And then student loan debt -- you've got these young Americans with thousands of dollars in loans, and they can't find a job because their degree doesn't lead to a job and the economy isn't creating it.

So I think those are the issues we want to focus on, and those are the issues that are going to allow a Republican nominee, who I hope and believe will be me -- but the Republican nominee to defeat Hillary Clinton, who has no answers to any of these problems. Her answer to every issue is a tax increase and a government program!

HANNITY: Yes. You know, if you look at the president and Hillary Clinton and their foreign policy, I mean, they're kind of joined at the hip. And one of the questions I've been trying to ask is, how can one president be so wrong so often on such important issues, not only the economy, which I make my arguments regularly that he's really been a disaster on, but foreign policy missteps. I put some of it together.  Let's take a look at it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I mean, think about it.  Iran, Cuba, Venezuela -- these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us.

We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized.

And I'm confident that Assad's days are numbered. A few months ago, when you were asked what's the biggest geopolitical threat facing America, you said Russia, not al Qaeda. You said Russia. And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.

QUESTION: But ISIS is gaining strength, aren't they?

OBAMA: Well, I don't think they're gaining strength. What is true is, is that from the start, our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them.

This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I understand. I'll transmit this information to Vladimir (INAUDIBLE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Iran's not a threat. Medvedev -- you tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after the election. He's been wrong on Syria. Assad is going to outlast Obama, and he predicted that he'd be gone. He also said, of course, this infamous quote in the New Yorker magazine that, The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a JV team puts on a Lakers uniform, that doesn't make them Kobe Bryant, talking about ISIS.

How can one person be so wrong on so many important issues just like he's wrong about this refugee issue?

RUBIO: Well, think about it this way. In 2016, the American people will have a choice to make, and the answer's pretty straightforward -- and the question's pretty straightforward. Name me one part of the world where America is stronger and safer than they were before Barack Obama was elected president. Name me one instance where the world -- where America is stronger and safer since Hillary -- because Hillary Clinton was the secretary of state.

The answer is we're not. Terrorism is no longer just al Qaeda.  They're still around, including al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and their spin-off group, the Khorasan group that's located in Syria, as well. But also, you've got now ISIS, a group that didn't exist in its current form before the president took over.

Afghanistan's headed in the wrong direction. We've seen what's happened in Iraq. ISIS has now spread into Libya, one of their prime operating spaces.

So where in the world are we stronger? Russia is more of a threat today than they were when the president made those statements back during the 2012 debates.

HANNITY: Let me...

RUBIO: On every single issue, we have lost ground in our safety and our security and in our global prestige under Barack Obama.

HANNITY: Well, also on the economy. He'll take on more debt than every other president before him combined, this horrible Iranian deal, which is another thing. Then you've got, you know, millions more in poverty, millions more on food stamps, median income down. "Obama care" is imploding.All -- this is a pretty severe situation.

Let me ask about the state of the race from this sense. We saw you in your battles with Jeb Bush inasmuch as we saw the op research he put together on you. Donald Trump has been pretty outspoken in trying to attack you, headlines today that the trade deal and immigration create a big divide between you and Senator Ted Cruz.

What is your answer to your fellow candidate as these -- you know, as we get closer to Iowa and New Hampshire, things are going to heat up even more, right?

RUBIO: Yes, well, but look, I mean, I like my opponents as people, and I think any of them would be better than Hillary Clinton. This is not personal. There are policy differences between us, and we should debate those policy differences. I think that's what we need to be doing in a primary. Policy differences are not personal as long as they're done in a respectful way. And that's what we are all going to endeavor to do in this campaign.

You know, we agree on most of the issues. That's why we're running as Republicans. But there are issues where there are some differences in our opinions or in our records, and those will be subjects for debate in this campaign, and that's a normal part of campaign. I think you can have a policy debate without it becoming personal. And that's what we're all going to endeavor to do, I hope.

HANNITY: All right, Senator Marco Rubio, thanks for being with us.

RUBIO: Thank you.

HANNITY: And coming up next tonight right here on "Hannity"...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: And it doesn't work for us to act like we're going to shut our borders and pull up the gangplank.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Hillary Clinton stealing a page out of President Obama's playbook and claims that Republicans -- they're helping ISIS by raising concerns over accepting the Syrian refugees. 2016 GOP presidential contender Carly Fiorina is here to respond. That's coming up next.

And later tonight...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

QUESTION: So you'd bring back waterboarding?

TRUMP: We have to -- I would -- I would bring it back, yes. I would bring it back. I think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they do to us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Donald Trump is keeping all options on the table in order to fight ISIS. Is this the right move to keep you, the American people, safe?  We'll debate that later tonight as "Hannity" continues.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So instead of focusing on his failing ISIS strategy, the president -- well, he's choosing to attack Republicans because they've raised concerns that ISIS could, in fact, infiltrate Syrian refugees looking to come to America.

He's not the only one. 2016 Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton said this...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON:  We've got to do what works. And it doesn't work for us to act like we're going to shut our borders and pull up the gangplank.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

CLINTON: That weakens us, and it also validates some of what these terrorists are saying.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Joining me now with reaction, 2016 presidential candidate Carly Fiorina. She really is just as bad as him. And she's making the same accusations as he is.

CARLY FIORINA, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Oh, absolutely!

HANNITY: What is your reaction?

FIORINA: Absolutely. Well, first of all, Hillary Clinton continues, I guess, to believe that somehow, we're responsible for the terrorists' actions. We're not responsible for the terrorists' actions. They're responsible for their actions.

Maybe that's why a year ago, she said that we needed to empathize with our enemies. And whatever Hillary Clinton says, she has done all the wrong things over and over and over again. I mean, she was wrong about Russia.  Remember the gimmicky red reset button? She was wrong about Libya. She wanted to topple Gadhafi, then sort of turned away and watched as that country fell into complete disrepair.

She was wrong, of course, lied about the Benghazi terrorist attack.  She was wrong when she declared victory in Iraq and agreed with withdrawing all of our troops against all military advice, which gave ISIS the territory, the caliphate, over which they preside now.

She's been wrong over and over. She called Bashar al Assad a positive reformer. Remember that? Opened an embassy. So this is a woman who's been consistently wrong about every single national security...

HANNITY: But you know -- wait a minute...

FIORINA: ... and foreign policy threat.

HANNITY: Let me go through all this because you're hitting a really important point. Libya has now descended into chaos. It was better off under Gadhafi, it's gotten so bad there. Now it's a terrorist safe haven.

FIORINA: It is a failed state. That's right.

HANNITY: And Somalia and Yemen. Remember, they held those three up...

FIORINA: Same, same.

HANNITY: ... as -- as success stories.

FIORINA: Examples.

HANNITY: Add to that Syria, add to that -- you're right -- Iraq, add to that this ridiculous Iranian deal. And I have a video of Hillary giving the foreign minister of Russia a reset button. Watch this.

FIORINA: That's right.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: I wanted to present you with a little gift which represents what President Obama and Vice President Biden and I have been saying, and that is we want to reset our relationship.

(CROSSTALK)

CLINTON: So we will do it together!

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: So there really isn't a success story. And all these disaster, she's as big a part of because she was his secretary of state!

FIORINA: Exactly right. And no, Mrs. Clinton, a gimmicky red reset button won't work with Vladimir Putin. Rebuilding the sixth fleet might.  Rebuilding the missile defense program in Poland might. It might work to actually deny ISIS territory.

She has been consistently wrong about every single foreign policy and national security challenge we have faced. So honestly, Sean, I don't pay much attention to her speeches because I know her actions, and I think actions speak louder than words. She is dangerous for the national security of this nation. Look no further than Benghazi.

HANNITY: Let me ask you -- she sent out a tweet that women that are victims of sexual assault have a right to be believed. It was on the front page of Drudge last night, the issue of Juanita Broaddrick, then there's Kathleen Willey, then there's Paula Jones. All have made allegations against her husband that he assaulted them. I've interviewed these women, all three of them and others.

Does that mean -- would it be a legitimate, fair campaign issue to ask her, Hillary, if victims have a right to be believed, do you believe them, or do you think that's unfair?

FIORINA: No, I don't think it's unfair. And of course, I think it's also true that Hillary Clinton has demonstrated the same hypocrisy when she talks about women's rights.

I mean, let's talk for a moment about what ISIS is doing to women and young girls. Besides the horrors of crucifixion and beheading, they are selling them into bondage, into sexual slavery. We can't even imagine the horrors that women and girls go through at the hands of these terrorists.  So...

(CROSSTALK)

FIORINA: ... but remember all of those were, you know, members of the vast right-wing conspiracy.

HANNITY: Carly, the reason I ask it is I watched her rise to power in New York and I watched poor Rick Lazio was running against her for the -- to be senator in New York, and he had the unmitigated gall during a debate to walk gently across the screen and hand her a piece of paper! You would think that he hit her in the head with a baseball bat, it was such a horrible, sexist thing to do.

And I watched what they did to Mitt Romney who was carrying around resumes for women, and that's a war on women. But she takes money from countries that treat women horribly, and nobody in the media talks about it! Why is that?

FIORINA: Because there's a double standard, Sean. We've talked about this before. There's a double standard for liberal women versus conservative women.

But let's be realistic. This is the campaign she's going to run. She will play the gender card over and over and over. Why? Because she actually can't talk about how right she's been on foreign policy. Why?  Because she actually doesn't have a track record of accomplishment.

And actually, that's why it matters who we put up against her. I can beat Hillary Clinton. I'm here in Iowa, and I will tell you people cannot wait to see a debate between me and Hillary Clinton. And the reason for that is they know I can beat her. And we must win.

HANNITY: Is there a difference -- because I've noticed you probably have been the most aggressive of all the candidates in going after her in particular. I mean, she -- I don't think she's the front-runner. I think this is a coronation. She has the nomination.

Do you think some of your fellow GOP candidates saw what happened to Rick Lazio, know what happened to Mitt Romney and maybe are a little more timid? They don't want to -- they'll tread lightly because of that?

FIORINA: I don't know. I can't get inside their head. What I would tell you is having grown up in a man's world, I understand that conservative principles work better to lift women up.

HANNITY: Well said.

FIORINA: Hillary Clinton is wrong about what it takes to help women.  And so I'm very much looking forward to having that debate with her because the policies that she wants to pursue for this nation are bad for women and bad for men, as well.

HANNITY: All right, Carly Fiorina, as always, thank you for being with us.

FIORINA: Thanks, Sean.

HANNITY: And coming up next tonight on this busy news night tonight on "Hannity"...

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TRUMP: We have to -- I would -- I would bring it back, yes. I would bring it back. I think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they do to us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Donald Trump -- he's not opposed to bringing back waterboarding. Neither am I. We'll debate the issue.

And then later tonight...

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BILL MAHER, COMEDIAN: This idea that somehow, we do share values, that all religions are alike is (EXPLETIVE DELETED) and we need to call it (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

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HANNITY: Bill Maher calling out his fellow liberals. That and much more tonight as "Hannity" continues.

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HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity." And 2016 Republican frontrunner Donald Trump is vowing to do whatever it takes to defeat ISIS even if that means bringing back controversial techniques like enhanced interrogation. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think we should bring back enhanced interrogation like waterboarding?

TRUMP: Well, we have to be strong.  They don't use waterboarding over there. They use chopping off people's heads. They use drowning people. I don't know if you've seen with the cages, where they put people in cages and they drown them in the ocean and then they lift out the cage. And we're talking about waterboarding.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So would you bring back waterboarding?

TRUMP: I would bring it back, yes. I would bring it back. I think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they do to us. What they're doing to us, what they did to James Foley when they chopped off his head, that's a whole different level. And I would absolutely bring back interrogation.

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HANNITY: Here with reaction is the senior editor for "National Review," Jonah Goldberg, from the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community spokesman Qasim Rashid is with us, and also FOX News contributor Monica Crowley. We water-boarded three people, three. Now, Monica, we didn't get Usama bin Laden because it was the waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as we interviewed Mr. Rodriguez who was there at the time it happened without waterboarding. We didn't get to the courier that got us to bin Laden without waterboarding. Why is this even controversial in light of how ISIS kills, beheads, burns, and does all these other things?

MONICA CROWLEY, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: If anybody is still wondering why Donald Trump is leading the pack, it's those kinds of comments. The presidency is a personification for how the country wants -- how the American people want the country to behave. And whether you agree with him or not on these points, what Trump is exhibiting is leadership, strong, decisive leadership. That's how he would behave as president and that's how he would behave as commander in chief.

   Now, on the issue of waterboarding, look, we're in a war, Sean.  It's not a war of our choosing, but we better fight it now while we still have advantages rather than later when it will be much too late. And yes, sometimes fighting wars require unsavory choices like, say, waterboarding.  Sometimes these EITs worked, sometimes they did not. But the point is to always to keep the enemy off balance, guessing what you do. You don't broadcast what you will do and what you won't do. You keep them guessing and off balance. If you approve EITs, you don't have to use them, but it will make the enemy second guess before they act that they might be subjected to them.

HANNITY: Mr. Rashid, what's your reaction to that? Is waterboarding, if we think they have information that may save the lives of Americans, I'm sure if your kids were kidnapped and you caught one of the people that kidnapped your kids, I bet you'd probably do everything in your power to get the information about where your child is, wouldn't you?

QASIM RASHID, AHMADIYYA MUSLIM COMMUNITY: Look, the Ahmadiyya community is Muslims who believe in a messiah has been clear that we want our Americans to be safe. At the same time we also uphold the United States constitution. We are a nation of laws. And as a nation of laws, we don't stoop down --

HANNITY: A nation of laws, but these are enemy combatants that have declared war on us. The 9/11 Commission report.

RASHID: Absolutely. And there's no evidence --

HANNITY: Let me ask the question this way.

RASHID: Yes.

HANNITY: Three people break into your house late at night. They steal your two children. You race out. You catch one of them and tackle them. The other two get away with your kids. Let me ask you, how far are you willing to go as a parent -- if it meant waterboarding to get the information about where your two kids are from the one guy you caught, would you do it?

RASHID: The beauty of life is that we don't have to look at hypotheticals. The reality is that torture does not work, Sean. Torture does not work. Sean --

HANNITY: We got the information from a courier. So you would let you children -- you would not use those techniques?

RASHID: No, that's what you're saying, Sean. If we look at reality we find out that waterboarding techniques simply do not work. They alienate people.

HANNITY: Sir, you can say it, but that's not true.

RASHID: I believe in our U.S. constitution.

HANNITY: Sir, I interviewed the guy that was there and witnessed it.  We never would have gotten the courier had it not been for waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Jonah Goldberg, what would you do if it were your kids?

JONAH GOLDBERG, SENIOR EDITOR, "NATIONAL REVIEW": I have no problem with using waterboarding as a last resort in specific circumstances with restraint in order to get pressing, pertinent, immediate information. What I don't like about Donald Trump's phrasing about all of this --

HANNITY: You don't like Donald Trump, so --

GOLDBERG: I'm not a big fan of his. But he compares it to what ISIS is doing. And to me that's an apples and oranges thing. ISIS is cutting people's heads off purely out of punishment and for grotesque horror.

HANNITY: Are you aware they're cutting people's heads off and they're burning people alive and they did what they did in Paris and waterboarding is mild in comparison is what he was saying.

GOLDBERG: I guess that. But they're not doing it to get information.  They're two completely things. When Monica talks about how he's showing strong leadership, I love Monica, but I don't know what she's talking about. It seems to me what he's doing is he's constantly changing the subject from one bizarre controversy to another. He talks about Muslims and he talks about national security in incredibly irresponsible and sloppy ways, and then dances to some new controversy whenever he's held accountable for it.

CROWLEY: I love you too, Jonah, but whether you agree with him or not, he is projecting clarity. Now, you're saying it might be a little incoherent here and there, but there's a moral clarity to what he's saying.  The American people understand the president has one job. It's to protect and defend the constitution and the American people. This current president is doing neither of these things, and they want somebody who is unafraid to stand up for the constitution and for doing things to keep us safe.

GOLDBERG: I never hear Donald Trump standing up for the constitution.  I hear Donald Trump standing up for Donald Trump.

CROWLEY: A lot of people disagree. That's why he's at 42 percent.

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: I got to roll. Thank you all for being with us.

When we come back, this is coming up next on HANNITY.

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BILL MAHER, COMEDIAN: This idea that somehow we do share values, that all religions are alike is -- and we need to call it --

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HANNITY: HBO host Bill Maher goes on the attack, this time against his fellow liberals. Human rights activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali joins us with reaction and more straight ahead.

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STEVE HARRIGAN, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: This is a Fox News alert.  I'm Steve Harrigan in Paris.

The discovery of a suicide bomber's vest just south of Paris has set off alarm bells here. There was no detonator attached to that vest. Right now police are not saying whether or not there are any link between this suicide vest and those worn by the seven Paris attackers. Those vests by all accounts were professionally made, filled with ball bearings of different sizes designed to shred anything within a 30 yard radius.

In the meantime a big week for diplomacy here. French President met with the British prime minister today here in Paris. He goes to Washington tomorrow to meet with President Obama, and then later in the week to Moscow to meet with President Vladimir Putin. The goal is to establish a single coalition, he says, to destroy the Islamic State.

And finally, the U.S. State Department issuing a travel alert to all citizens traveling abroad.

Now back to "Hannity."

HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Left wing HBO host Bill Maher had some very strong words for liberals on a show Friday night, calling them out for not acknowledging that all religions are not alike. Watch this.

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MAHER: If you are in this religion, you probably do have values that are at odds. This is what liberals don't want to recognize. You may be from a country, as there are many, many Muslim countries that either have Sharia law or want Sharia law. Those values are not our values. This idea that somehow we do share values that all religions are alike is -- and we need to call it --

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HANNITY: Joining us with reaction, author of the book "Heretic," human rights activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali is with us. Ayaan, welcome back. I want to explain what you went through as a woman where you grew up and tell everybody what happened.

AYAAN HIRSI ALI, "HERETIC" AUTHOR: Well, I've explained this in depth in my book "Infidel," but being a girl and a woman growing up in a Muslim household, you have to know your place. And I was growing up in the context before radical Islam. So such things as the female genital mutilation, that was, I would say about 98, even 100 percent, because you purify, you cut the genitals of your child if you can afford it, and you have to.

HANNITY: And how old were you?

ALI: I was five-years-old. And my family lived in Saudi Arabia. I cannot describe to you what kind of a place Saudi Arabia is. There is apartheid, gender apartheid. It's a place where using modern tools and modern money and money from oil they actually enforce seventh century rules.

So then later on in my teens when Islamic extremism came into our neighborhood, I became part of that movement and I started to believe in the things. I was 15, 16. I lived in Nairobi, Kenya. There were people preaching in my school, in my neighborhood. And I joined up with them.

So I'm always surprised to see people of authority here saying what we see, these terrorist acts, the subjugation of women, the hatred of Jews and Christians, it has nothing to do with Islam. I watch that with amazement.  I obviously have come to understand that it is a strategic position that if we say these things maybe the Islamic extremists will not get their way, but it's just not true.

HANNITY: Are you saying that it is far more pervasive, radical thought, ideology, in the Muslim world than anybody is recognizing, that we are being intimidated into saying that this is a very small percentage?

ALI: We are self-intimidating. I don't think that we are being forced by outside powers. Our president is not being forced by outside powers to take the position that he's taking. He has taken it after a lot of thought. He thinks it's strategic. I just think it's a strategy that's failed.

He's not the only one who tried it. All western establishment leaders have insisted we are not at war with Islam. That's absolutely true. We are not at war with Islam. We're not waging war on Islam. That is absolutely true. But within Islam, and using Islamic theology, Islamic tradition, Islamic philosophy, we have hundreds of thousands of people who are at war with us.

Now, we have to ultimately respond to that and not only to the latest thing. The Islamic State is less than two years old, but Islamic extremists want to destroy our way of life, our civilization and our belief system, that is started before this election cycle and is going to continue. And we have to come up together with a way of defending ourselves and defeating them, honestly.

HANNITY: Is this just the literal interpretation of the Quran, the Hadith? Is they a reflection of the warrior life of Mohammed?

ALI: This is the literal interpretation of the Hadith, of the Quran.  It is a desire to emulate, to copy Mohammed, especially in the time he became a warrior and he introduced Sharia law and started to take large suites of land and thereafter. And there are a lot of Muslims, and I insist every I go there are millions of peace-loving Muslims who are not at war with us or anyone else, who don't want war but want peace, that is true. But when you look at the Islamic theology that is being used by groups like the Islamic state, it is there. And the answer is not to lie in denial. The answer lies in an attempt to reform Islam, to change and abrogate and repudiate the violent, you know, aspects of Islam.

HANNITY: For example?

ALI: Sean, the good news is there are Muslims that are doing that and we are letting down.

HANNITY: Do you think that when our intelligence officials warn us that ISIS will infiltrate the refugee community from Syria and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, are they naive or are they ignorant as to how radicalized many people are? And are they putting Americans at risk if they bring in those refugees and ISIS does infiltrate that population like they did in Paris?

ALI: The intelligence community is doing their job. They are paid to protect American people and American values, the homeland. And they're trying to share with us and our leaders what they know. So when the intelligence community tries to make us prudent, put in place checks, they're absolutely right and we need to heed them.

But going beyond them, even for Muslims who are already here, people who are already here, there is an active Islamization project going on in the United States of America. We've been in denial about it for a very, very long time. It is time that we wake up and see who is behind this.  Who are the agents? Where do the ideas come from, where do the resources come from? This is the kind of thing that denying that it has anything to do with Islam, that is what it covers up. And then the problem becomes so big, and then we find ourselves in a situation where France and Belgium and other countries in Europe with large Muslim numbers, they've been living in denial. It's demonstrated to us that that doesn't work. We need to heed and we need to learn from the mistakes about this. We don't have to give up our civil liberties.

HANNITY: Appreciate your insight and sharing your story. Thank you, and I hope people listen.

And when we come back, our "Ask Sean" segment is next. And we need your help with our "Question of the Day" straight ahead.

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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Taiwanese animators have come up with four hilarious music video parodies featuring Hillary Clinton. One is based on Gloria Gaynor's hit sown "I Will Survive." Take a look.

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HANNITY: All right, another is based on Journey's "Don't Stop Believing." Watch this.

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HANNITY: All right, those are just two, both are pretty funny, and it brings us to tonight's fund "Question of the Day," which of the two videos did you like best? Just go over to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.

Now it is time for your question to me. Our "Ask Sean" segment.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, Sean. I wonder why the same people who think it's a horrible idea for the U.S. to be the world's policeman think it's our obligation to be the world's homeless refugee shelter. Why is that?

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HANNITY: I don't think America needs to be the world's policeman.  It's a very delicate balance. I think America losing its influence around the world has now resulted in more chaos than I think I have seen in my lifetime, and I think that that is a big problem. And secondly, we're not responsible. We have $20 trillion in debt, $120 trillion in unfunded liability, 94.5 million out of the labor force, 50 million in poverty, and 46 million on food stamps. Yes, take care of Americans first and foremost. And if we do that, I think that will help a lot of American people. Thanks for the question.

That is all the time we have left this evening. Thanks for being with us. We'll see you back here tomorrow night.

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