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President Obama urges media to maintain perspective about ISIS

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 23, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Kirsten Powers, Eric Bolling, and a marshmallow is her flight pillow, Dana Perino -- "The Five."

After the Paris attacks, President Obama pleads with the media to offer some perspective:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: The media needs to help in this. I mean, I just want to say, during the course of this week, a very difficult week, it is understandable that this has been a primary focus. But one of the things that has to happen is how we report on this, has to maintain perspective and not empower in any way these terrorist organizations or elevate them in ways that make it easier for them to recruit or make them stronger. They're a bunch of killers with good social media.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: That's our O: His first reaction is always about overreaction. I think he overreacts about overreaction and it's his under-reaction about action, that's the infraction. I await a retraction.

He's right, though, it's been a tough week. But it's strange how he never asks the media for perspective when emotional responses help him out. Be it climate change, guns, or even his own popularity, when the press fell head over heels with him, he never said, "A little perspective, guys. I'm not all that." No, when it's his crusade, you better lick that boot.

But maybe he's worried that terror steals the spotlight from climate change, which as you know, causes all terror. True, high temperatures create jihadists. Just look at the ISIS franchises popping up all over drought-ridden California. Oh, wait.

But we're used to our concern being smeared as fear-mongering. O's disdain for our priorities, feels lifted from "West Wing" scripts where such mockery passes for thoughtfulness and it blocks any path to unity.

The White House mascot should be the ostrich, head in the sand and all we see is ass. Whatever, time to prepare for evil. You aren't living in fear, but learning to be feared. The Islamists are mindless droids programmed by ideology and numbed by phenolphthalein. It's not a "them" anymore, it's just an "it." And there is no Islamophobia when you're extinguishing a wildfire.

So when the president says, this is not who we are, remind of that it goes both ways. We may not be who you are, either. Good for us.

All right, Kimberly.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yes.

GUTFELD: The strategy play down the threat.

GUILFOYLE: True.

GUTFELD: So as not to feed their impressive propaganda. The problem is he's believing that boloney.

GUILFOYLE: Well, this is the problem. Because he talks as if like OK, I want to know and check my insurance bill because am I going to get a bill for this therapy session by the president? I feel don't feel better Mr.
President. In fact, I feel worse because this shows me he that he has greatly and vastly underestimating the task at hand than the problem that's facing this country and the rest of the world, for that matter. He's saying that we're overreacting. It's, you know, it's understandable. It's OK.
You're getting a little round up or upset, this was not a good week, but he's saying that it shouldn't be the primary concern.

GUTFELD: Right.

GUILFOYLE: That we have misconstrued, that we have overinflated it and they're just, you know, the killers. No, Mr. President, that's a group who sings songs. ISIS beheads people. There's a big difference.

GUTFELD: Eric, he creates a straw man. It's like no one disagrees with the need to not be hysterical. We aren't.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I'm shocked there with what's going on. I think about what's going on in the last couple weeks. The leaders of Russia, France, and now England are warning President Obama. This is a real problem, the time to step up, wake up. The generals and the Intel Department are going -- not only just telling him, they're going on TV telling him, "Hey, we need to wake up. ISIS is moving and we need to do something about ISIS." The American people, 81 percent agree that there is a threat. It's going -- there is going to be an attack, they believe very soon or soon, and only 18 percent say there is not going to be an attack.
So four to one, the American people are telling him too. Yet, the president sits on an island. He's shielded himself from all the reality around, the generals, the Intel Department, the media, England, France, Russia, us.
Anyone who is also in agreement with President Obama at this point is just doing so to be on his side, and you'll be complicit in that ignorance. And a lot of people could die. You don't want to be in that place. And last thing, this Pentagon (inaudible), wow, this is huge.

GUILFOYLE: Wow.

BOLLING: This isn't just something we needed just kind of highlight. This is the New York Times exposing that President Obama may have had people in the Pentagon, changing that the -- what they know is true, the facts to support his rhetoric that ISIS is the JV team. That's dangerous.

GUTFELD: And we're going to visit that in the C-block. All right, Dana. He says not to panic here. However, with every other calamity, he basically says, he uses this as a force for comprehensive change. Everything needs comprehensive change, but not here.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, and he also always make sure that he has something to fight against, so there's always just a republican at large. So any concern that you have is actually illegitimate in his eyes. I know that he wants me not to worry.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: And I understand that he wants me not to panic, he wants me to feel better. But the fact that what Eric was pointing out, that all of these people like put in his inner circle or I mean at the current inner circle, but the ones that have resigned.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: That actually resigned while they are actually -- they didn't resign while they were disagreeing with him, they waited until they wrote their memoirs and then they told us they disagreed with him, but whatever, I think that's just honorable. But now we know that that's what they were saying. And now you actually have people even closer in, like Michael Vickers in Politico today saying that, the strategy is absolutely not working. So I know the president wants me to feel better, but I'm starting to feel -- I'm pretty even killed, but even I'm starting to feel a little rattled because I feel that he wants -- he wants so much to believe that this isn't a problem or -- I understand he thinks at the problem.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: He doesn't think it says bigger problem issue.

GUTFELD: It's like a marriage where one of the spouses thinks there is a big problem going on, and the other one will not share in the problem, and it just makes the other spouse angrier and angrier and angrier because you're like, you know, it's not that big a deal. Kirsten, are we -- are we overreacting to his overreaction about overreaction?

KIRSTEN POWERS, GUEST CO-HOST: I don't think so. I think -- and I think if you look at a lot of the polling, you'll see that a lot of democrats actually share this feeling and share the concern that he won't identify -- won't speak about it as radical Islam. I think that's one of the most interesting things that come out of the recent polls, so you have an overwhelming that majority of Americans saying, you know, this is radical Islam, even though he won't say it. And I think the people are -- look, I'm getting e-mails from my very, very liberal mother who voted for Obama and have to frame picture of him in her living room saying.

GUTFELD: Silly.

POWERS: "Don't go into downtown D.C." You know, and when I'm saying, no.
no, it's OK. "No. I'm seriously." I mean, she is now obsessed. She's learning everything about ISIS that she probably -- possibly can. So I think people are scared, they should be scared -- fine. We shouldn't be hysterical, but for -- yeah. For him to be playing this down, like it's just another problem that we have is not accurate.

BOLLING: The end of your sound -- your monologue, you said sound bite. This is your -- this doesn't explain exactly where President Obama's head is.
ISIL is just a bunch of killers with guns in social media.

PERINO: Right. ISIL is gonna bring that.

BOLLING: Are you kidding me?

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: The rest of the world realizes Russia is attacking them with 2,000 sorties a day. France has dedicated in aircraft carry 23 airplanes dropping bombs. England wants to get involved. It says, they say it's their turn to step up and start bombing heavily, but President Obama says, you know, they got social media group. Really, come on.

GUILFOYLE: Special media.

GUTFELD: Because you know why it's really focused on, it's not focused on what they're focused on. He's focused on prejudice. Let's roll that -- or maybe not.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: And we will not give in to fear or start turning on to each other, or treating some people differently because of religion or race or background. That wouldn't just be a betrayal of our values it will also feed ISIL's propaganda. The United States could never be at war with any religion because America is made up of multiple religions. We're strengthened by people from every religion, including Muslim-Americans.
Prejudice and discrimination helps ISIL and undermines our national security.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Who is he talking to, Kimberly? I feel like this is an Aaron Sorkin script.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know -- yeah, it's really bad. I mean, I don't know. He should just go, hang out and tell these weird bedtime stories like Valerie Jarrett, someone wants to listen. I mean, he's actually making me more stressed out. Is this possible?

PERINO: Right. That's what I think.

GUILFOYLE: Because I just -- that's the president? I don't want to hear about how we need to be like kinder, gentler, more considerate, send the gift back because I -- that is not what we need to hear in the country. We want to be inspired by leadership. We want to sleep well at night because we believe the guy in charge has this handled, that he's going to do the right thing about it, but he seems very distracted by clouds and other things, and it's disconcerting, isn't it?

GUTFELD: Clouds.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, what is going on here?

PERINO: It's like you can lead a president to water, but you cannot make him take charge. So in America -- and the world say can you please take charge? Was it not very good?

GUTFELD: And I would say -- I think everybody in America was watching you go to that place at the same time and it's like, what is she going to do?

GUILFOYLE: Where should he's gonna go? Yeah.

GUTFELD: And you did.

PERINO: OK.

BOLLING: I give -- can I give you another metaphor.

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: Our technology what is -- what it would be? You tell me what it would be. Here in the stance of a football game, your team isn't winning.
You're not losing, but you're not really winning. And all of a sudden, the other team starts to win a little bit. And the coach just sits back and he is just playing the same run game, and you're about to lose and there's no sense of urgency.

GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah.

BOLLING: Everyone in the stadium knows you got to step it up.

GUTFELD: That's true.

BOLLING: And start throwing the ball.

GUTFELD: It's like a boxer.

BOLLING: Except for the cup.

PERINO: That's true.

GUTFELD: It's like the boxer that you know he's losing by points.

BOLLING: Right.

GUTFELD: But he still won't change.

BOLLING: Correct.

GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah.

BOLLING: He's still that -- against the ropes.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: Yeah.

GUTFELD: It's the only sports metaphor I can use.

BOLLING: And it's right.

GUTFELD: Yeah. Speaking of sports, sporting champ by the name of Tom Brokaw had an opinion on this. Actually, this might be a Panetta, Feinstein, Brokaw montage about ISIS.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TOM BROKAW, NBC NEWS SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: We are at war. This is change.
Terrorists have changed the place where America in this war against ISIS, and it is now a war. The fact is, as the president was -- what I could call kind of benign, (inaudible) to continuing expansion of ISIS, the more sophistication of all the time has to come to a halt.

DIANNE FEINSTEIN, SENATOR: I don't think the approach is sufficient for the job. I'm concerned that we don't have the time and we don't have years.

LEON PANETTA, FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: The resources applied to that mission frankly, have not been sufficient to confront that. And for that reason, I think we've got to be much more aggressive and much more unified in the effort to take on ISIS.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Kirsten, it's disturbing to see all these right-wingers go after President Obama.

POWERS: Exactly, yeah.

GUTFELD: It's terrible.

POWERS: Yeah. I mean, look, it's -- like I said before, this is not something I think this is a partisan issue. Though, I do think, when you're saying who he is talking to? There are liberals in this country who actually believe what he is saying. And I know because I talked to them and it is a world view that just cannot accept that there are people who are driven by (inaudible) ideology that is rooted in religion that are, you know, willing to -- not just kills us, but really kill everybody and they don't want to accept it. And they want -- it just doesn't fit the world view and the narrative that they have, and so.

PERINO: Like when it was in President Obama say all of these things that we know, it is not gonna turn us against each other unlike.

POWERS: Yes.

PERINO: I agree with all of that. I mean, yeah. Like, you're preaching to the choir, but what are we doing? I'd love for him to say, I got this, OK?

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: Everybody believe me, we got this.

GUTFELD: Also, we agree with him about those things, but then he marries it to kind -- it's kind of its nibbling, snickering attack on you.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: I know.

BOLLING: There where whole Islam, the whole Muslim religion and no one has done that except for him.

PERINO: Right. Can I mention one thing about the social media piece when President Obama says that ISIS is just a bunch of killers with good social media? One of the things we talked about for years is OK, where is our social media strategy.

BOLLING: Yeah.

PERINO: Against them. And now we actually have anonymous, which is the.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: Hacker group. They have actually, basically self-designated as the ones who will help identify attacks which is why you had, over the weekend, the World Wrestling groups, the survivor series in Atlanta. They are there
-- anonymous says, we see that ISIS says that they want to attack them.
That actually affected people who decided not to go to the event. I mean, you have outside government.

GUTFELD: You say -- your plan not going.

PERINO: I was participating.

BOLLING: Participating. Yes.

PERINO: I do it on the weekends.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, God.

PERINO: I have as quite as good atomic.

GUILFOYLE: But how weird is that?

GUTFELD: I know. You're atomic Dana.

GUILFOYLE: Now anonymous is now the White House.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: Did you.

PERINO: Right.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Do you hear who is protecting New York City now, too?

GUTFELD: Who?

BOLLING: The Gambino family. They do. They literally said.

PERINO: Well, fine. They got this.

BOLLING: The mafia -- we got this, in New York City.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: OK.

GUILFOYLE: Well, at least somebody has set things up.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: I'm fine with that, honestly.

GUTFELD: I'll take that over to de Blasio.

GUILFOYLE: All hands on deck. Yeah. de Blasio, big bird.

GUTFELD: All right. GOP candidates offer their counterterrorist strategies, Trump talks waterboarding, Carson talks surveillance, and Rubio talks national security in the first TV ad of his campaign, next on The Five.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: A brand new Fox Poll says terrorism is the top concern for American, as it includes the economy as the most important issue facing the country in the wake of the attack in Paris. The republican presidential candidates are responding to those concerns. Donald Trump says he had stiffened America's interrogation policy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you bring back waterboarding?

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have to -- I would bring it back, yes. I would bring it back. I think waterboarding is peanuts compare to what they do to us. What they are doing to us. What they did to James Foley when they chopped off his head, that's a whole different level, and I would absolutely bring back interrogation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: And Ben Carson wants more surveillance.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BEN CARSON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I said in the larger capacity that we should monitor anything. Mosque, church, school, you know, shopping center where there is a lot of radicalization going on. We've learned last week that the FBI seems to be only to monitor -- be able to monitor 30 -- 60 people at a time. And we know there is a lot more than that that needs to be monitored.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Greg, would you like to share your comments with us?

GUTFELD: No.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: You can read his mind, don't you too?

GUTFELD: You're not supposed to call me out what are my comments that are not meant for television, Kimberly.

GUTFELD: But you're quick enough to come out with something else that's suitable for television.

GUTFELD: Hey, look. I'm all for surveillance. I'm all for -- hey, I'm pro waterboarding, but that's not really a deterrent, it's just a technique use to extract information to stop an event. It doesn't prevent behavior. We need to think about, you know, catching the act before it happens, which waterboarding -- once you catch somebody, and then you waterboarding. You see what I'm saying?

GUILFOYLE: (inaudible), yes.

GUTFELD: But.

BOLLING: It does only some send it back.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: You waterboarding before you send it back.

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: But I would add, I mean Rubio, he's combining forcefulness with thoughtfulness. And I think that's why he scares democrats, because he comes off as inspirational by a show of force with thoughtfulness without casual asides. That works.

GUILFOYLE: But he seems like he's touched you. You seem.

GUTFELD: That is the disgusting comment.

GUILFOYLE: No, but you're seems.

GUTFELD: He's never laid a hand on me, Kimberly.

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. It's kind of poetic. I just describe it. And I'm not sure what's going over there -- Bolling?

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: No, but I think it's very interesting that the debate has changed.
I think you guys called that it was going to be a foreign policy presidential election. I thought it was gonna be economy. I thought it was jobs and the economy, and it flipped in light of what happened in Paris, and who knows what else will happen. I believe and I just -- I don't want to report this, but I think I saw this walking in. They found another vest, another explosive vest in Paris. In one of the suburbs, I believe, in a garbage can that could be, which means there is more of this going on, and you guys are right spot on, but the question who is best? Jeb does very well with foreign policy.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

BOLLING: That he starts to step up. Trump talks tough. He means what he says, he says what he means. He has analogy about waterboarding went further than just, hey, we should waterboard. He said, they do to ours with water is worse when they put people in cages.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: And then drown them, and it really resonates.

GUILFOYLE: Terrible.

BOLLING: So yeah, the tough talkers are gonna resonates.

POWERS: Standard though. I mean, really, is our standard what these monsters do?

GUILFOYLE: No. That's not what we're saying, but we are entitled to do what's legal and enhanced interrogation techniques are legal. It's not prohibited by the constitution. It's more of a policy change.

POWERS: But I don't -- whether it's legal or I don't think -- I just this argument just falls flat for me, always. Like, you know, they're monsters and so we'll just be a little better than they are. I mean, that's not an argument. I think you need to make, like a proactive argument in favor of waterboarding.

(CROSSTALK)

POWERS: We're not beheading people, you know, that we suppose are.

BOLLING: What we have to say is that waterboarding produces results.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: We got Osama bin Laden's body guard to tell us, basically information that led to Osama bin Laden through waterboarding.

GUILFOYLE: Right. But you guys do understand that ISIS and these guys are beheading and doing these acts to innocents, OK? And we are, specifically, with information and facts to back it up, doing interrogation and seeking information to prevent future acts.

POWERS: Right, but Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: These are not innocent.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: That's not what he said.

(CROSSTALK)

POWERS: That's a totally different argument.

GUILFOYLE: No...

(CROSSTALK)

POWERS: This argument is.

(CROSSTALK)

POWERS: They're monsters and so, therefore, it's OK to do -- to waterboard them. And it's like -- I don't -- I just don't think that's an argument. I think we either argue that, you know.

GUTFELD: I think is you're kind to monsters.

POWERS: I mean, that somehow that makes.

(CROSSTALK)

POWERS: It's like the arguments of, you know, in Saudi Arabia, they don't let us build churches, so we should let somebody.

(CROSSTALK)

POWERS: Well, I think there's a disagreement on it. John McCain would obviously disagree with that, right? I mean it's not -- everybody doesn't agree that waterboarding produces information. Or even, or they.

BOLLING: By the way, John McCain doesn't -- it should be.

POWERS: Or that you should be something that.

BOLLING: Standard for.

POWERS: That some people find.

BOLLING: Those on the right.

POWERS: Some people do think that it goes too far for the United States and that is, it's not moral and it doesn't produce good enough results. So I mean there is another argument.

GUILFOYLE: Dana?

PERINO: Well, having been the White House spokesperson during the interrogation debate, I find it remarkable that we have come so far -- in just seven years to go from, it's abhorrent. It's never going to happen again. Both McCain and Obama campaign and against waterboarding, which remember, it wasn't every terrorists that walks in the door got waterboarded, it was three terrorists.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Three people.

PERINO: And so that -- and now, it could actually be a campaign platform and your numbers can go up. So just shows that things can change. And I think the point you were making, Kimberly, is a good one which is, you actually have to capture.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: Terrorists in order to interrogate them. They have to have somewhere to go, to be interrogated, that's what GITMO have been useful.

GUILFOYLE: Yup.

PERINO: In other places, in cooperation with other countries. It's not a fun business at all, and I think what we ask our intelligence committee to do is very tough. However, they're not being asked to do that at all now.
That is actually -- it's a policy.

GUILFOYLE: A policy, but not against our morals.

PERINO: And some would say that it would be against our morals, or against the constitution -- whatever. The point is, I think they are all trying to make is that we understand as -- I think these three candidates are trying to say in others, we understand the generational nature of this war, it's civilization at stake and we would be able to better fight it than somewhat like Hillary Clinton who is just going to follow the footsteps of President Obama.

GUILFOYLE: OK. And then all the rules also change when you're at war. Think about that, too.

All right, next. Will the intelligence says they pressured to change their assessments on ISIS in order to fit with the Obama administration narrative. The new explosive allegations ahead, you don't want to miss it.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: Is the Obama administration telling us the truth about ISIS? Dozens of intelligence analysts working for Centcom recently claimed their assessments of the terror network were altered by senior officials. The Pentagon launched an investigation two months ago in September. And according to our sources, the inquiry has expanded to determine whether the analysts were pressured into cutting back on their warnings. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes says the facts on ISIS do not match the administration rhetoric.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DEVIN NUNES, HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: It's almost all the time what we hear and see on the ground, when we talk to the folks who are actually doing the work and what we see in finished intelligence product, and I think more alarming. What we hear the president and his senior officials saying to the public, it just doesn't jive with what they're saying in public and what we see on the ground.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Now the president says he insisted on day one, he doesn't want intelligence to be shaded by politics.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: I have made it repeatedly clear to all my top national security advisers that I never want them to hold back, even if the intelligence or their opinions about the intelligence, their analysis or interpretations of the data contradict current policy.

I don't know what we'll discover with respect to what was going on at Centcom. What I do know is my expectation, which is the highest fidelity to facts, data -- the truth.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: OK. This is the story that you brought up Eric, in the A-block. You know, you can imagine why the president called Paris a setback if he's actually being told something different.

BOLLING: It's -- and it's a long list starting with the ISIS being the JV team, the setback, et cetera. Here are the important facts about this. This isn't in some one analyst who feels like his information was ignored during this compilation of data. It's dozens -- number one. Number two, it's the New York Times who found this out and is bringing it to the forefront.
Number three, this inspector general who is going to find out exactly what happened. Dozens of analysts think.

GUILFOYLE: Terrible.

BOLLING: That their information was changed to specifically fill in Obama's narrative on ISIS not being as big of a threat as they are. In the meantime, we're making decisions based on these analysts' analysis. People could be dying. This is -- for me, this could be the -- if this is exposed the way the New York Times is kind of alluding to, this could be the worst thing of his whole presidency.

PERINO: Kimberly, the article says.

GUILFOYLE: I agree.

PERINO: That the analyst. That the analysts are saying that their supervisors were, quote, particularly eager, unquote, to paint a better picture. So if you're an investigator, you find that -- you start to follow the trail and see where it leads?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but also you look and see, what's the motivation? How sickening is this?

I mean, he has the utmost respect and fidelity protrudes and what, what.
Uh-unh, no you don't. No, you don't. Because the reports, the real information and the facts would make the administration look very bad.

I mean, to me it's just criminal. If you have information like that and then you're telling the public something completely different and asking somebody to basically cook the books to make it look favorable, all this could look very bad for him if the truth came out.

And he then, knowing that, acted on this and didn't do the right thing, and didn't follow through with the concerns that we have for national security.
I mean, wow. I think that could have been one of the worst things that he's done. It's like top of the list, Obama's greatest hits of wonders.

GUTFELD: There's a lot of competition there. You know, Erica is right, this was reverse-engineered. He said "J.V.," so they had to doctor it to meet assumptions.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: They had to work backwards. And it's because they're worried about his fragile ego. This isn't a White House. It's a sorority. But you know, you say it's a scandal, but a big scandal but translated is a -- it is something the media will smother with a pillow like a crazed babysitter.

Any time something bad comes up, they come in, they dive on it, they have it roll (ph), and it's out.

PERINO: It is under investigation, and there is no one saying that the White House directed this, but perhaps they created an air of trying to...

GUILFOYLE: Just like with the IRS.

POWERS: I mean, I think we need to wait and find out why this is happening. If we think about this logically, what would the motivation be for anyone to doctor intelligence? Because their job is to make sure that people are getting good information so nothing bad happens so nobody comes back to them and blames -- points the finger at them. So the only reason they would doctor it is because somebody wants them to. They have no interest in it.

The other thing is, even if the administration -- let's just say they were doctoring on their own. But let's just say the administration...

BOLLING: Doctoring it on their own. They're being told by -- they're being told...

POWERS: Isn't that what I just said?

BOLLING: Yes, but you're dismissing it, like oh, don't worry. It's probably not them doctoring it but someone else.

POWERS: How did you know what I was about to say? Are you psychic?

BOLLING: Did we not heard the (UNINTELLIGIBLE), Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: I heard it.

POWERS: That's not what -- go ahead, go ahead.

BOLLING: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

PERINO: Well, it is under investigation. We'll continue to follow it.
And we're coming up next with Rush Limbaugh, who took aim at President Obama's ISIS strategy. He says he's the president's No. 1 enemy. That's up next.

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BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...

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GRAPHIC: Fastest 7

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BOLLING: ... "The Fastest 7 Minutes on Television." Three witty stories, seven whipping minutes, one winsome host.

First up, in a rare TV interview, Rush Limbaugh sat down with Chris Wallace on "FOX News Sunday," and per typical Rush, a man calls him like he sees him, and also per typical Rush, he's pretty spot on.

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RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Barack Obama's No. 1 enemy is the Republican Party and the conservative movement. You see he gets animated.
He doesn't need cue cards. He doesn't need a teleprompter when he starts ripping into them. But when you get ISIS on the board or anything in the Middle East, very cautious, very precise, very don't want to offend them, don't want to make them mad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me pick up on that. I think it's really dangerous.
Chris, I think it's really dangerous. I think the country is in more danger than people know.

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BOLLING: What do you say, Greg? You like Rush's frankness?

GUTFELD: I don't disagree with a lot of it, but if we covered every incident of Rush bashing Obama, we'd have no room for William DeVane. "I'm William DeVane. Buy gold and silver."

POWERS: Buy catheters.

GUTFELD: No catheters.

GUILFOYLE: William DeVane speaking, which was such a good president on "24," wasn't he?

GUTFELD: He was great. He had some mild problem. Where were we?

BOLLING: Rush.

GUILFOYLE: Rush is spot on. And the threat is real. And I was just getting this alert on James Rosen, to get back to business here about the worldwide travel alert that's been issued by the State Department to Americans traveling abroad.

So this is in writing from the State Department, saying the threat is real and to exercise due caution at any open, like theater events, concerts, anything like that that you're attending or going to.

GUTFELD: This is great for agoraphobics like me. Because I don't -- I'm not going to go anywhere, but now I'm right.

PERINO: Now it gives you an excuse to just stay home and drink.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

BOLLING: Quick thought on Rush before we move on?

POWERS: The president does become very animated when we're talking about -
- I mean, look at how animated he becomes talking about people who oppose letting the Syrian refugees in. Even if -- you know, I think that they should come in, but I don't agree that everybody who disagrees with me is some xenophobic racist, but he becomes so animated about that. And if he showed some of that anger toward the terrorists, it might be nice.

BOLLING: We'll move on. Radical Islam plays by rules and ideas most religions find flat-out wrong. It's what we've been saying for a long time. Finally, the left wing has arrived at the party, hopefully, not too late. Bill Maher.

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BILL MAHER, HOST, HBO'S "REAL TIME WITH BILL MAHER": If you are in this religion, you probably do have values that are at odds. This is what liberals don't want to recognize. You may be from a country, as there are many, many Muslim countries that either have Sharia law or want Sharia law.

Those values are not our values. This idea that somehow we do share values that all religions are alike is (EXPLETIVE DELETED). And we need to call it "(EXPLETIVE DELETED)."

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BOLLING: All right. Dana, your turn.

PERINO: So Ben Dominic, who is from The Federalist, he was actually on the panel. We didn't have -- he's not in that clip, but I asked him where did he -- what did he take away from that when you're sitting there and you're watching Bill Maher.

And he said, "There's a limit to the amount of B.S. that even Bill Maher can stand. And that he's more cynical than most on the left and that that is actually a good thing to be.

BOLLING: He's saying a lot of things that a lot of people at this table said for a long time.

GUTFELD: Yes. Two points. It's the "OK when Bill Maher says it" clause.
But if we had said it, he would be making fun of it. But it's nice to see him join the party, although it's nice to see him joining the party. On his show he's now the left-wing corrector.

So when a liberal comes on and expects him to agree with him, it's like they touch a hot stove. He burns them immediately, whether it's Ben Affleck or that woman there from Canada who was very left-wing. She's like, "Wait a minute. I thought you were my friend."

BOLLING: Is the left turning now? Are they finally seeing it?

GUILFOYLE: No. Sorry. But I like Bill Maher for that.

POWERS: Bill Maher has been -- this has been one of his issues for a long time. He hates all religions. He hates Christians. He hates Muslims, you name it.

But this has been one where he's actually said, look, it's a false equivalency when people say all religions are this way. All religions are that way. I think he's actually consistent. I think this is not an ill- liberal view he's expressing. He's basically saying they don't share our values. That's actually a somewhat liberal position.

BOLLING: So can those on the left say "radical Islamic terrorists"? And why not?

POWERS: Well, most of them won't. Well, I mean, because...

BOLLING: Why? He could. He will.

POWERS: He absolutely would, and I think a lot of Democrats, obviously, would say that, and a lot of liberals would say that. But I think you have the people who are in President Obama's camp who will say that they will go back -- Dana will address this. They'll go back to George Bus, you know, she said, "It's a religion of peace" because we don't want to alienate our partners. That that's what's driving it. That that's what they would say.

BOLLING: Good enough?

POWERS: They would probably say that.

BOLLING: All right. Let's move on with the next one.

BOLLING: The American Music Awards from last night, loved the show, big fan. The acts were great. Acceptance speeches, 10 seconds long. Perfect.

There was also a tributes to the terror attacks in Paris. Celine Dion with a heart-wrenching tribute. But also Jared Leto, he told a compelling story of how his band had just played the Bataclan venue a few months prior.
Leto did a nice job summing up the sentiment in the music world.

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JARED LETO, ACTOR/MUSICIAN: Tonight we honor the victims of the unimaginable violence that have taken place here, in Paris and around the world. France matters, Russia matters, Syria matters, Mali matters, the Middle East matters, the United States matters, the entire world matters, and peace is possible.

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BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts.

PERINO: Look, a lot -- it seems there's so many awards shows.
Unfortunately, there are so many of these incidents, but award shows follow pretty quickly afterwards.

I remember after 9/11, Tom Cruise -- I think it was during the Oscars -- said that at first he thought that acting was just not that important a thing, but by the time they got to the Oscars, he said, "But now I've realized it is the most important thing that we do."

I think it's a great message, and a message of peace at an awards ceremony like that.

BOLLING: People pushed back a little bit, but I still kind of liked his tribute.

GUTFELD: He means well. He's a smart kid, but I'm not a big fan of peace.
The only kind of peace -- the only kind of piece I like is the one you reload.

After these -- after these events, there's no shortage of people talking about peace and pushing hash tags and the peace sign with the Eiffel tower.
You saw that on Twitter. It was everybody does that, and then they go about their lives. They think that when they do this, that's all they need to do.

No, you have to take a self-defense class. You have to think about getting a permit to carry. You have to talk to your family about how you kill people, to kill terrorists. You don't just say -- K.G.

GUILFOYLE: I love your paranoia. I find it exhilarating.

BOLLING: Celine Dion's tribute was -- that was amazing.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: People were crying in the audience. Go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: I love J. Lo. I thought J. Lo did a fantastic job. You're burying the lead.

And yes, Celine Dion was amazing, and I would expect nothing less. She's sold out massive venues in Vegas and elsewhere else across the world.

POWERS: I thought it was interesting the language he was using about "matters." Right? It's like the "all lives matters" sort of thing.

GUILFOYLE: He didn't get the memo.

POWERS: He's basically saying, like, we all matter.

GUTFELD: He's going to get backlash for that.

BOLLING: Black lives matter. He's probably going to get like $15 million for using their line.

PERINO: Probably going to get sued, like $15 million. For using their line.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Still to come, Adele performs her new smash hit "Hello" on "SNL"
this weekend. But perhaps the most talked-about performance of the song was this one.

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(MUSIC: "HELLO" BY ADELE)

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POWERS: Thanksgiving is just three days away, and if any of you are worried about getting in disagreements over politics at the dinner table, "Saturday Night Live" came up with an interesting way to help diffuse the tensions.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I heard the refugees are all ISIS in disguise.

AIDY BRYANT, CAST MEMBER, NBC'S "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": That's true. I actually saw an ISIS in the A&P today when I was picking up the yams.

CECILY STRONG, CAST MEMBER, NBC'S "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": No, you didn't, Aunt Catherine. That was an Asian woman.

BRYANT: Why is it that your friends keep antagonizing the police?

STRONG: Why would you ask my boyfriend that?

(MUSIC: "HELLO" BY ADELE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dig in, everyone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thanks, Adele.

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POWERS: Adele herself got a big kick out of that skit. She was the musical guest on "SNL" this weekend and posted this picture on Instagram of her reaction when she saw the sketch. Cute.

GUILFOYLE: That was really fast.

POWERS: So I'm wondering who is the problem at your Thanksgiving? Is it you or the other guests?

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GUTFELD: I'm always the problem, but -- two things.

POWERS: They disinvited you?

GUTFELD: By the way, two things real quick. Dana invited me for Thanksgiving and then disinvited me.

GUILFOYLE: I heard that. Everyone thinks she's nice.

GUTFELD: It's terrible. So I'm free for Thanksgiving, America.

I want to address this. I thought this was a terrible skit, and here's why. Where is the risk or danger in going after people that powers that be already go after? Our president is already making fun of Americans for being overly cautious or being hysterical. What did "Saturday Night Live"
do? Instead of going after Obama, they go after the very people that Obama targets. They go after Americans. Screw you!

POWERS: OK. You're officially too cynical. This was a great skit, don't you think?

GUILFOYLE: This is why he has a lot of, you know, gastrointestinal issues, because he has a lot of angst. But it works well.

GUTFELD: Not after tomorrow.

POWERS: So Dana...

GUILFOYLE: Please don't take me through that procedure.

POWERS: ... why did you disinvite poor little Greg?

PERINO: Because -- because you asked the question who is the real problem at Greg's Thanksgiving dinner? It's probably Greg. And it wasn't Thanksgiving. It was for the day after, and I just didn't want you to feel like trapped. Because if I take you there and then you go, "Why did you bring me here," and you're bored and then you want to leave, it will be awkward.

GUTFELD: So now, you're insulting your friends who are watching "The Five"
that you're inviting me to their house to. And now you're saying you're afraid that I'll be bored by your friends.

PERINO: But I hadn't even asked them.

Here's the thing. Guess what? You know our friend Kennedy on FOX Business? I'm on her show tonight, and I am going to reveal my advice for dos and don'ts of talking politics at Thanksgiving dinner. That's at 8 p.m. Tonight.

Well, one of them was -- I love this one, is that if it gets so exasperating with your Uncle Mac and he's driving you crazy, plant a conspiracy theory in his head that you know he will repeat and make him look foolish the next day.

GUILFOYLE: News just to get out of it. Send me an e-mail that I'm getting called into work. Breaking news.

POWERS: What's your advice, Eric?

BOLLING: My advice is -- I actually love that skit, because they went after every -- Black Lives Matter. That was pretty good. They went after all the things you're not supposed to talk about at dinner. They said, "Hey, what happens if this happens?" Everyone's not going to have Adele.
Maybe just Kimberly sing Adele.

GUTFELD: Look at a Dell computer.

POWERS: Tune in to hear all of Dana's advice on Kennedy's show.

And then up next we're going to have "One More Thing."

GUILFOYLE: Kennedy will say...

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GUTFELD: Time for "One More Thing." Bet it's about a dog, Dana.

PERINO: Well, I knew that the fans were desperate to find out a little update on Jasper, so I have to respond. Here's Jasper. We were down in Palmetto Bluff (ph), California. That's a beautiful photograph. You have to agree. He was also in -- participating in this charity book, "The Dogs of Palmetto Bluff." There he is in a Harley. And he was -- he's always ready to go. There's us as a family in the family picture.

And then also, it was very fun, but Levi Lowry (ph) and his wife, Stephanie, and their two kids, Boston (ph) and Robinson (ph), came. And he's a great singer-songwriter, if you have never heard of him. Serenaded Jasper, who sat there very obediently.

GUTFELD: A guy serenaded your dog? This is so perverse. I think I just want to erase this.

PERINO: And the sock monkey is there. See?

GUTFELD: Yes, all right, whatever. By the way. Kimberly, you've got -- you've got a good...

GUILFOYLE: I have.

GUTFELD: ... very good "One More Thing." Thanks be to God and the pope, because we have a wonderful story. It's very heartwarming, especially during the holidays, in light of what's going on in the world.

Pennsylvania couple Joey and Christian -- Kristen Masciantonio claimed that their 1-year-old daughter's brain tumor shrank in size following a kiss on the head from Pope Francis. This was inoperable. She wasn't able to be -- receive treatment. And there's the pope kissing her on the head. And the mother was on "FOX & Friends," and listen to what she has to say. It's pretty unbelievable.

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KRISTEN MASCIANTONIO, MOTHER: I had a dream that she met him, and I knew that he had to get her -- his hands on her. It was a miracle, him kissing her.

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GUILFOYLE: So this is -- you know, would be a terminal illness. Now you can barely see it on the -- any of the scans, which is incredible. So we just hope that this blessing and miracle of this baby being cured, hopefully, continues.

GUTFELD: Eric.

BOLLING: Amen.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.

BOLLING: There we go.

All right. So you know we always talk about moderate Muslims. Why don't they call out radical Muslims? Well, check this guy. He's French Muslim blogger only known as Chronic 2 Blast (ph). Take a look at what he had to say.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FRENCH)

GRAPHIC: I am addressing all Muslims, all Muslims of France: Let's protect our beautiful religion. Let's go and track these impostors who pretend to be Muslims and kill people. It's not the authorities who are going to get rid of them.

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BOLLING: Basically, what he is saying is it's time for moderate Muslims to step up and put an end to the ISIS and the radical Muslims.

POWERS: Great.

PERINO: Excellent.

BOLLING: More of that.

GUTFELD: Secrets to Happiness.

All right. You know, the secret to life is making prudent choices, and then when you're making commitment, you stick to it. Take a look at this cat here, who decided that it wanted to do something. And it didn't give up. It kept going. It was persistent. But was the choice a prudent one?

After trying and trying and trying, finally making a commitment to get into this bowl, much like asking somebody to a Thanksgiving dinner and then realizing that you made a mistake and that maybe you should try to get out of it by what do you do now? I'm trapped. I have to go to this Thanksgiving dinner. What do I do?

So the lesson is don't ask your friends to Thanksgiving and then back out.

By the way, I want to thank everybody for their nice invitations.

GUILFOYLE: Everyone's feeling sorry for you almost now.

POWERS: All right. If anybody's wondering how Keith Hayes (ph) spent his childhood Christmases, you can find out or what Jonah Goldberg thinks about Christmas. There are a lot of great essays in this book. It's going on sale tomorrow. You can buy it on Amazon right now. We have essays from P.J. O'Rourke and lots of your favorite writers. And actually, I have a little essay in there, as well, about Christmas. And I recommend you get it.

GUTFELD: That's a great book.

All right. That's it for us. "Special Report" up next.

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