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Status unknown for alleged mastermind of Paris attacks

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 18, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It is 5 o'clock in New York City, 11:00 p.m. in Paris, and this is "The Five."

This is the Fox News alert. There are brand new details on the traumatic raid this morning in the Parisian suburb of Saint-Denis.

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BOLLING: French SWAT teams were able to neutralize a terror cell that investigators say was planning to launch new attacks any moment. Five thousand rounds were fired in that battle that lasted for hours, and it ended with at least two people dead, including a female suspect who blew herself up. The raid targeted a suspect's mastermind of Friday's attacks, the 27-year-old Abdelhamid Abaaoud, but his fate remains unclear. There are reports he was killed, but French officials have not confirmed that. With us now, Geraldo Rivera, who was in Saint-Denis earlier, he joins us live from Paris. Now Geraldo, when we heard here that they may have caught or killed Abaaoud, a lot of our reaction was, wow! The French are working fast. Is this the play -- should they, should other -- I don't know, governments, should other, should America look at the French and say look how they're doing. It's only a couple of days later and they may have gotten the mastermind.

GERALDO RIVERA, CO-HOST: You know, Eric, the Friday the 13th massacre here in the city of light in Paris was a colossal failure of French intelligence. Today, was a triumph, a triumph in the predawn hours, we're using a combination of electronic surveillance, wiretaps and informants. They knew exactly the safe house with this clique, with this group of gangsters was hiding out. The safe house in Saint-Denis, to explain to our audience what the neighborhood is like, it's about four miles north of Paris. It's kind of like Fort Apache, the Bronx, was in the 1970s. It's a migrant community. A lot of people coming and going; some with documentation, some without, nobody knows who lives there, kind of a sketchy neighborhood. To me, when I heard it was in that neighborhood, I breathed a tremendous sigh of relief and then got swept over with anxiety, remembering that it was in that very neighborhood, that's where many of the people who scattered from the soccer stadium less than a mile away, that's where they went. As they tried to make their way back to Paris, after they closed the metro, no taxis were available. All the hotels were closed. So after those three suicide bombers, attempted to wreak absolute havoc, imagine the massacre if they had managed to time their assault on the soccer stadium correctly. And had mingled with the crowd with, the tens of thousands of people including the president of France, including my daughter, the carnage, the 129 dead, it would have been far worse, but the gunfire that rang out this morning was the wrath of France, Eric, coming down, crushing this group. The female suicide, as you mentioned, blowing herself up. Her colleague, who we think is Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the ringleader, that's what the Washington Post at least is reporting. He was just his body just in pieces, and the other at least eight others arrested. This is a major victory for France. France has declared war on ISIS. The United States has declared war on ISIS.

BOLLING: All right. Geraldo, we're going to bring it around the table. K.G. is going to kick it off.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: You know, Geraldo, I'm just wondering, having you experienced, you know, being here for 9/11, now you're there in France when you ran over to be able to be with your daughter. Describe kind what the mood is like. Are people appreciating the increased security on behalf and intelligence that's working now in their favor from France?

RIVERA: You know, Kimberly, I'm keeping Simone by my side, because we haven't left Paris yet. I thought until this morning, that this must be the safest city in Europe. With all of the military and all the extra police that have come here from all around the French republic, and now they've reached out to their partners in the European Union. But then to have this happen, to have this all-out battle happen, lasting an hour, 5,000 rounds, as Eric mentioned, it was, you know, they seized all kinds of weaponry from this group from this group of terrorists, it was very, very unsettling. The people of France are happy that they captured this gang of thugs, but they, as tremendous anxiety here. There's looking over your shoulder. The city of light has a kind of melancholy and anxiety that it is impossible to emphasize, it's not the kind of joyous we're all in this together that followed Charlie Hebdo, for instance, the smaller massacre perpetrated by the Islamic extremists in January. It's a kind of, it's a city in war in many ways, Kimberly. A city that's ironically, this is the worst violence this city has seen since World War II.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hey, Geraldo, it's Greg. I don't know if this is really a question or a comment, but to me, when I hear you talk, it seems like their success came from their failure. So the only way we were to learn about this cell is after a terror attack. Meaning, the way only we can learn about the future terror attack is after the fact, which is not good. That's a horrible failure of Intel.

BOLLING: Let's see if we still have Geraldo. We've lost Geraldo.

GUTFELD: I was able to lose Geraldo.

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BOLLING: You've done the impossible.

GUTFELD: I have done the impossible.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: It was like, "Kimberly? Oh, yeah. I can't hear you anymore."

GUTFELD: And it was such a good comment.

GUILFOYLE: Geraldo, I'm coming for you.

PERINO: I agree.

BOLLING: There are so many people pointing the finger, the French.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, we got him back. He's back?

BOLLING: We have Geraldo.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: Geraldo, do you hear us?

RIVERA: I think you can hear me, but maybe I can't hear you.

BOLLING: OK.

RIVERA: Let me tell you that.

BOLLING: Go ahead. Go ahead.

RIVERA: This is a country -- fraught with tension right now. A Jewish teacher was stabbed today in the southern French city of Marseille. There is an ebb and flow in the national discussion now about the refugee crisis that matches in some ways what is going on in our own country, only much more acute. There is a sense that where does this end? How many more of these gangs are there, these gangs of extremists plotting to perpetrate mass murder? And we visualize the scene from last Friday, that scene where so many died in that rock concert. Where I feared my daughter had gone Friday night. Thank God she wasn't there, where 89 died. Thank God she wasn't sitting in one of those sidewalk cafes, which so many was slow just because they were enjoying the night out. It is, it is a shock to the fabric of French society, and it is war. It is a state of war that exists here -- back to you in New York.

BOLLING: All right. We're going to leave it right there, Geraldo. Thank you very much. I think we lost -- he lost his earpiece. So let's bring it around the table. Your point was very well-made that it took an act of violence like this for us to see how what the French are actually using.

GUTFELD: Yeah, there is.

BOLLING: I mean, successful.

GUTFELD: There is no Intel any more. And it makes me think about the train attack that was thwarted. People forgot about that because nobody died. You know, there were just injuries. And what happened is we are now relying on after the fact atrocity because we don't know how to track any more. And that's why there's no victory in catching these guys.

BOLLING: Dana, talk a little about the administration. Why haven't they changed, they're steadfast on our strategy is what it is and it is working. At some point, wouldn't you think they'd retool that strategy?

PERINO: Yes, I would think so. But apparently, they're not going to. And I think that one of the things, if as a citizen of the western world that has invested a lot of money, it's not just America -- American citizens that have been invested in improving our intelligence and police cooperation, but that is true across Europe as well. And you have to wonder, and I'm not blaming the intelligence community, because I understand that we have to be right 100 percent of the time and they only have to be right once, but it does beg a question. Charlie Hebdo was 11 months ago. The train attack was two months ago. These -- they were able to do in France, 150 raids overnight, two days after the attack. So apparently -- they had some sort of information, and I understand western governments being unwilling, unreluctant to preemptively strike and take these guys out before they strike, but we're not doing that. And I think that our money needs to be better well-spent if we're going to invest in it. I would -- if I were President Obama, instead of worrying so much about what the republicans and democrats are saying about refugee issues, I would make sure that our FBI, our CIA and Interpol are on the same page in saying we've got to turn this around because our citizens deserve better.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I think that's what's going on. I think there's now, from what I have been reading today and hearing, more sharing of intelligence.

PERINO: So why now? I mean.

WILLIAMS: Because I think that.

PERINO: We have 14 years after 9/11.

WILLIAMS: No, no. But I think that there was in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. There was a focus on al-Qaeda at that point. This is different in the sense that you have. Remember Syria in the same era. You can go back and forth. In fact, one of the most crazy things that I read today was that this 27-year-old guy.

BOLLING: Abaaoud.

WILLIAMS: Abaaoud said he would go back and forth all the time from Syria to Europe, and he.

PERINO: He has a passport.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. And then -- well, apparently he's a Belgian citizen, right? So he's not -- he's not like he's an immigrant. No, he's Belgian citizen. So he goes back and forth, and nobody stops, nobody questions, and he's bragging about it. And there's apparently video of journalists who made with him, driving a truck filled with corpses. He said they were apostate Muslims that he had killed. This is, to me, this is astonishing this guy wasn't caught.

BOLLING: So let's talk a little bit about what the French have done. Dana points out 150 raids, you see the terrorist are broken out. You see what they're doing in Syria. Are they the new math for what, how to fight terror and should we be taking the lesson from what they're doing?

WILLIAMS: Oh my, gosh, Eric, I think you underestimate what our intelligence do every day.

BOLLING: So tell what they're doing.

WILLIAMS: We (inaudible) things all the time.

GUTFELD: Besides -- really Eric, you're missing the point. What about the backlash? I mean.

WILLIAMS: Exactly.

GUTFELD: They're already talking about an online backlash against migrants, you know, if that was our only problem, was that our violence against our citizens were online. But we have to worry about, you know, what our actions whether they are politically correct or we being intolerant. I think you're seeing right now is France's, all that is going out the window.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

BOLLING: K.G., what is that going to take for all that to go out the window right here in Washington?

GUILFOYLE: Well, courage, vision.

BOLLING: Death? Death in Americans?

GUILFOYLE: Perseverance. I hope not death, but I mean does it have to always be American blood? Can we learn from this example, you know, for the love of God and do something, because we don't need another 9/11 here. We really don't. But the fact that there is just a complete abdication of leadership to make the decision, when you have a military that's saying, please listen to us, we are ready, willing and able to serve. Please address the rules of engagement that are hampering our ability to conduct the raids and do what we need. If there's even a possibility of one civilian lost, they'll say it's a no go and they'll peel off. So it's like 75 percent is the number of raids that they attempt to do that get turned around because it's a no, no, no, it's no good. It's no good. I mean, come -- come on.

WILLIAMS: You know what this is -- you know where this is right now in terms of the intelligence community, Eric, is a focus on things like this game sets that they communicate through without going through.

BOLLING: Encrypted.

WILLIAMS: The internet.

BOLLING: Encryption.

WILLIAMS: So you hear the FBI director and the director of National Intelligence saying, you know what, we got to do away with this. We have and the after Snowden, everybody is so concerned about civil rights. They're saying if you expect us to do stop it, you got to give us the ability to read the communication between the terrorists.

BOLLING: Here's what I heard this morning on -- with Josh Earnest on both networks; this network and one of the other networks. He basically saying, "It's about time France and Russia step up to the plate. We've been doing this all along."

GUILFOYLE: Ay yai yai.

BOLLING: Quick thought on this one before we go?

PERINO: I just think that is not necessarily the best way to represent the leader of the free world. Basically -- it's damning with faint praise, and it's patting yourself on the back at the same time. Instead of saying, we're glad they're in a fight. We're going to continue -- I mean there's just different ways that you can communicate. Last night, when President Obama -- you had him criticizing republicans at the same time. The White House is trying to spin what a good conference call they had with governors. I know we're going to get into that, but it just seems to me there's so much, they're so worried about domestic politics that they're forgetting that -- and the world is turning to them, they're begging them, to take the lead here. We don't want Russia in the lead. We want America to be in the lead -- if they want to help, great.

BOLLING: All right.

PERINO: But I think it was more than dissatisfying this morning and I'm being kind.

BOLLING: Very good, very good. Coming up, President Obama hardly showed ever fury over the jihadists who terrorized Paris, but he has plenty of anger for republicans concerned about Syrian refugees coming to our shores, the refugee (inaudible) next.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, God, that's the whole.

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GUILFOYLE: The war of words between President Obama and republicans heating up over his refugee policy and today, it took an interesting turn when the president slammed republicans while overseas in Manila. Saying their stance on the issue is a recruiting tool for ISIS.

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BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: I cannot think of a more -- more potent recruitment tool for ISIS than some of the rhetoric that's been coming out of here during the course of this debate. When you start seeing individuals in positions of responsibility suggesting that Christians are more worthy of protection than Muslims are in a war-torn land that feeds the ISIL narrative. Apparently, they're scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America.

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GUILFOYLE: As you might imagine, republican candidates have a lot to say in response to those comments.

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CARLY FIORINA, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It is outrageous that a sitting president immediately following a terrorist attack, where we know that ISIS is attempting to plan attacks here in the U.S., that he would use his time to attack republicans. President Obama is speaking in a way that is beneath his office.

CHRIS CHRISTIE, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The president talks about Syria. I know the widows and the orphans in the United States from 9/11. And I don't want to see another generation of those folks in our country.

JEB BUSH, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He needs to explain to the American people what the vetting process is, to allow people -- widows and orphans to come in and make sure that terrorists don't. It's his responsibility to tell the American people and governors who are concerned about the security in their states, what the plan is. And I haven't seen any evidence that he's done that.

TED CRUZ, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Mr. President, if you want to insult me, you can do it overseas, you can do it in Turkey, you can do it in foreign countries. I would encourage you, Mr. President, come back and insult me to my face. Let's have a debate on Syrian refugees right now.

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GUILFOYLE: And there you have it. So, very interesting, Eric, but you see all the candidates stepping up because President Obama kind of took a shot across the bow (ph) of all of these guys, and specifically, on republicans in the GOP. He's more fired up about demonizing republicans than he is about destroying ISIS.

BOLLING: Yeah. Can we just stop at the refugees right now? Can we just put the program on ISIS, at least just for now until he find out how the vetting is working out. To find out if we're vetting them properly, to find out if we can actually even vet them? We don't know who these people are, are they people really seeking political asylum? That's one. Or are they Syrian fighters? They could be fighting for or against Syria -- that's two, or three, worst of all cases, they could be ISIS fighters. Now, we saw today, eight ISIS fighters were caught trying to get into Germany, looking like refugees. So I'll call that last group the ones that are ISIS fighters looking like refugees trying to immigrate to different countries. I'll call them refugee jihadist and those are the ones you have to be careful for. And also, can I make one more other point? Everyone is talking about whether we should let women and children in. The woman today who called out and help me, help me, to try to get Parisian Special Forces close to her and to her bomb radius, was a woman and she blew herself up.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, after she was opening fire on them as they approach and then she blew herself. I mean it's like, what is going on here? Literally, it's so disconcerting to me, Greg that we have a president that is really, not only not rising up to the Winston Churchill moment, but he's really almost helping the other side because he's not doing anything to help our team.

GUTFELD: Yeah. The underlying message that he was saying when he made those comments is that, if you don't want your loved ones to die, you're probably a bigot. I mean that's really what he's saying. If you have any kind of concern, he can mock you. And this is a natural concern. We have just witnessed a horrible event and we're trying to make a decision for ourselves, how do we protect our families? Perhaps, if we told the president, that ISIS had a high carbon footprint, he would hate ISIS more than he hates republicans. Or perhaps, maybe he could blame the shooting in Paris on the Eagles of Death Metal, which would be just like blaming a video on Benghazi. The solution, I believe, is if you're going to close GITMO, and you want to take people in and you do not have the facilities there to vet, create sanctuary cities, sanctuary spaces, Missouri, use the dorms. If that's how you feel, if you think that we are self -- if we're selfish because we're worried about our loved ones, then you take them in, you take them in. The way I look at -- here's my --- the way I look at this immigration thing, it's almost like breaking up with somebody without getting into, because you don't want to be committed. We're just telling Syria, look we like you and everything, but we're just not ready for it yet.

WILLIAMS: You know.

GUTFELD: We aren't prepared. We want -- can we be just friends and just see how far this goes, because I don't think it's a country, we are in the state to accept this kind of commitment as much as we want to, we just don't feel ready yet. It's not you, Syrian refugees, it's us. I hope you understand.

WILLIAMS: But this is not us, Greg. We are a country that is compassionate. We do.

GUTFELD: But that's.

GUILFOYLE: No, no, no.

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WILLIAMS: And let me just say.

GUILFOYLE: We're looking for a bad break-up here.

WILLIAMS: I don't understand.

GUILFOYLE: I want a bad break up.

WILLIAMS: I don't understand why republican candidates are in fact stirring up fear and xenophobia in the United States.

GUTFELD: You just proved my point.

WILLIAMS: I don't understand.

GUTFELD: You're concerned about your loved ones. That's not xenophobia.

WILLIAMS: Yes, it is.

GUTFELD: No.

WILLIAMS: Because there's no justification. If I say to you, hey, Greg.

GUTFELD: There's no justification?

WILLIAMS: Watch out. Watch out for that big guy coming up behind you and there's nobody there, would you say why?

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GUTFELD: This is from Juan, who on a plane was worried about Muslims on a plane.

WILLIAMS: Yes. After 9/11, I was.

GUTFELD: How is Paris a difference?

WILLIAMS: Because Greg, when we're talking about refugees, there are statistics available. There are very provable concrete facts that say after 2011 -- since 2011, half of the refugees in, children, right?

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Half are adults over 60. Only 2 percent.

GUILFOYLE: How about now?

WILLIAMS: Are what they call combat-age.

GUILFOYLE: How about now?

WILLIAMS: So what you guys said.

GUTFELD: How much do you need?

WILLIAMS: Right. All I'm saying is we have a strict vetting procedure. We know how this is done. It takes over two years before they even get to U.S. soil and yet, if you listen to the talk about only Christians, not Muslims, it sounds as if you're saying.

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GUTFELD: We're talking about is we need to slow this down. We don't want to end up like Europe. And Europe.

GUTFELD: Look what happened to France.

GUTFELD: We have -- we actually have to be deliberate about this. Again, I'm talking about.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: A relationship that takes time. That doesn't make me xenophobic. And it's -- President Obama insulted every American who is worrying about their child and about their spouse who goes to work every day. Maybe directing it at republicans, but he insulted everybody.

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GUTFELD: He's a grad student who never graduated.

WILLIAMS: When Christie said, oh, we can't accept any orphans under -- I mean, what is going on here? This sounds to me like.

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WILLIAMS: The knee-jerk reaction.

BOLLING: ISIS fighters were posing as refugees, they got caught. If they don't get caught, that's eight in Germany.

WILLIAMS: Those people had European passports, Eric.

BOLLING: What? What are you talking?

GUILFOYLE: I know.

BOLLING: They were ISIS fighters. They were (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: They had -- the ones in Paris. The one who (inaudible) in Paris?

BOLLING: No. The ones who are caught in Turkey.

GUILFOYLE: No. This is a new development. There were eight ISIS fighters, they were taking the path of the refugees, and they have fake papers.

WILLIAMS: Right.

GUILFOYLE: Hello, it's the easiest move. What's ISIS favorite Halloween costume? Syrian refugee.

WILLIAMS: You can't have fake papers that are coming here.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, go. Dana.

PERINO: OK. I'm sorry. I'll try to be very quick. So I think there are a couple of things. One, I think that we should, we should consider the fact that it does take two years to do a vetting process. What we should be probably a little bit more worried about are the people that are trying to get in here, illegally. OK, and so we have a border security issue on all sides and that means including other airports where people come in, overstay their visas. So there is a vetting process, it is rigorous, and might not be good enough. And I don't think that the president helps anything because -- see how this game can go? When the president of the United States says oh, they don't care about 3-year-old orphans. You know what I can say? Too bad you didn't care about the 3-year-old orphans when they were new born and the government in Syria was gassing his own people, when you could have done something about it. You didn't care about them then. This is a gross game and the president is elevating it to a point of disgust, and I will say this, he's going to have to change something, because the first Bloomberg poll that's out today, after this, 53 percent of the American people say, "do not allow them in at all." So he's not helping himself. And, at the same time that he was making those comments last night, he had his White House communicators trying to spin everybody because he had had been to a conference call with the governors to try to calm everything down. And so he would much rather have the issue than to try to solve the problem.

GUILFOYLE: I'm sending you to debate Josh Earnest, immediately.

Next, Greg on one very effective way we can all defend ourselves against terrorists -- that's coming up on The Five.

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GUTFELD: The great thing about progressivism: Who needs to connect a dot?

If you say welcome all refugees, because it's the right thing to do, you ignore modern consequences. If you say grabbing metadata is wrong, you ignore the consequences when intel goes dark. What you're left with is an open gate and no way to track the incoming. It's nuts.

So if we can't protect everyone, then it's up to us to protect ourselves. One solution?

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KURTWOOD SMITH AS CLARENCE J. BODDICKER: Guns, guns, guns.

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GUTFELD: Guns, guns, guns.

One guy had it right. Since you can't harden every soft target, we must, quote, "let people carry the means to defend themselves." Sorry, President Obama, that wasn't Ted Nugent who said that. That's the Interpol Secretary-General Ronald Nobel. After the Kenyan massacre he asked, "If that was Texas, would those guys have been able to spend hours, days shooting people randomly? Is an armed citizenry more necessary now that it was in the past with an evolving threat of terrorism?"

Of course. But I have another idea. We must harden more than targets, but also our memories. On occasions, we reenact historic events. At Christmas, it's the nativity scene. I might have been a sheep. On Thanksgiving, kids reenact pilgrims and Indians giving thanks. We need a reenactment of heroism to teach the young its value. A Flight 93 Day, where kids replay a key moment in history, when citizens did what the government couldn't do: saving countless lives as they lost theirs.

After Paris, the Twitter trends were already MTV stars and Charlie Sheen. It's a sickness we have, this instant amnesia and it's up to us to destroy it before it destroys us.

Eric, it's a fact that the government cannot protect us at all times. It's impossible. So...

BOLLING: Protect ourselves.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

BOLLING: Someone tweeted to me today: "Why is it my only two choices," or their only two choices are run or die?

And I was like, "No, no, you have a third choice. Exercise your Second Amendment right."

GUILFOYLE: Arm.

BOLLING: Arm yourself and protect yourself. And again, Paris, another one of those cities where it's very, very difficult to get a carry license to own a gun and have it with you at all times.

At any given time, in any theater here, there's probably three or four people with a gun, I would say. We're not New York.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

BOLLING: But in cities outside of New York...

GUILFOYLE: Really?

BOLLING: ... and Chicago and D.C. and L.A. Other cities, there are three or four people in a group of 1,000 or 1500, you would think.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: In Paris, probably none.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Because it's difficult. The soft target, you point out...

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: ... the gun-free zones are the softest targets.

WILLIAMS: You know, you talk about government not being able to help you in all situations. So at this table, when we talk about guns, you guys -- if there's a massacre, you guys say, "Well, you know, we've got to do something about this mental illness."

And I say, "Well, why are guns so easily accessible?" You cite France, but gee, I looked it up. It says there are 1,800 gun deaths in France annually, 33,000 in the United States. Thirty-three thousand.

GUTFELD: Including suicides.

WILLIAMS: Yes, OK. And today, "The New York Daily News" had a story about how, since 2004, 91 percent of people who aren't allowed to fly airplanes because they're suspected terrorists, nonetheless were able to go out and buy guns.

GUTFELD: That is a problem.

WILLIAMS: Well, I don't see how that's good. But you say more guns, more guns, more guns.

GUTFELD: I'm not. I'm saying...

BOLLING: They're still going to get the guns. You do realize that.

WILLIAMS: If the government can't protect you in all situations, give the bad guys more guns.

GUILFOYLE: So your -- so your restrictions keeps guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens...

WILLIAMS: Is that right?

GUILFOYLE: ... that want to be able to defend themselves. The bad guys are going to get them. You know that.

WILLIAMS: OK.

GUILFOYLE: The stats bear that out. So OK, so keep hating on, you know, the law-abiding citizens. That's fine, Juan. That's a good idea.

GUTFELD: I have a prediction that the left will say "The Five" used this event to justify more guns. I know they're going to say that.

GUILFOYLE: They're going to save it for an NRA commercial.

GUTFELD: Exactly. What do you feel about this idea, though, that we do the remembrances of things. Isn't it time for us to remind our kids what Flight 93 was, and teach us now how to react in these cases?

PERINO: Well, I think that one of the things that's interesting about that -- yes, in a way. But what happened on Flight 93 was a spontaneous American value, right? Like it was a -- it was a bravery and a courage. And a care for others, right?

They were so concerned about what could happen on the ground that they decided to sacrifice themselves.

Interesting, Greg, the European Commission, the government -- that's not Interpol -- they're actually announced today, they are actually going to tighten legal restrictions on the types of firearms that were used by the terrorists. Because gun control is apparently...

GUTFELD: Yes, and when terrorists see that, they go, "That's it, not buying any guns. They've tightened the gun control. We're not getting guns."

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: All right. President Obama won't link Islam to terror. But the king of Jordan will. And he has a message for his fellow Muslims of the world, next.

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KING ABDULLAH, JORDAN: We are facing a third world war against humanity, and this is what brings us all together. This is a war, as I said repeatedly, within Islam. So therefore, we must act fast and holistically to tackle and respond to the interconnected threats, whether it is in this region, Africa, Asia, or in Europe.

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PERINO: That was the king of Jordan, urging his fellow Muslims to lead the fight against terror. He calls it a war within the Islamic world. Last night Bill O'Reilly called on Muslims here in the United States to do more to condemn the action of radical Islamists.

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BILL O'REILLY, HOST, "THE O'REILLY FACTOR": There's a lot of people that are getting a little fed up with this. And I think they're getting fed up because they don't see a mobilization of the good Muslims.

I would tell you and every other Muslim leader, you need a Million Muslim March in Washington, with national coverage to speak out against ISIS so the whole world can see it.

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PERINO: So Greg, the king of Jordan, who has been a good ally of the United States and the western world, he's being very plain about what he thinks. He's also a country that is hosting one million refugees in his country right now, which is a huge burden on him.

GUTFELD: Yes. Meanwhile, though, you know what the White House did was that last night, they released a new hashtag. Did you see the hashtag? It was #RefugeesWelcome. I have a theory that anything that can be easily hashtagged is idiotic and pointless and wimpy and wussy, and a replacement for real action. It requires no connection of dots. It only requires adolescent compassion that reflects the teenaged mentality of a president.

To President Obama of the United States will always be Goliath and anything that's subversive is David. So he has this deep reluctance to commit to something in which we might actually kill.

GUILFOYLE: That was really good.

GUTFELD: Thanks.

PERINO: The best hashtag actually is Kurt Schlichter, who has #caring.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: That's the only good one.

GUILFOYLE: Can they write for Hallmark instead so they can do less damage to the rest of us to have a clue? We got the memo; we saw the package. The rest of you that are asleep at the wheel, you know, move over.

PERINO: Eric, he says we're in World War III. And we're not -- he's not waiting for it to be declared.

BOLLING: So when the king of a predominantly Muslim country says we're in World War III and the pope says we are likely in World War III, why can't the president just figure that out?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. Benedict.

BOLLING: Maybe it's time to step up and declare war on terror.

O'Reilly's right. There are a billion and a half Muslims in the world. A billion and a half. What is it, 100,000, two hundred, a million radicalized Muslims? Which the number keeps growing. It's time for -- that's -- 1,600, or 16,000, or 160,000 per, as Bill says, good Muslims against the radicalized one. Get on them, stop it. Turn in the information.

GUILFOYLE: You know why? Because they have to cure themselves. There's a cancer growing inside Islam. Cure yourself, heal yourself.

BOLLING: When Muslims see something, say something, that's a whole new world. You're opening up a whole new can of worms...

WILLIAMS: Well, here's the thing. Here's the problem. And I was very interested today to think about, you know, what should the strategy be? I mean, you guys say there's no strategy. I think there is strategy.

But what really is going to work to stop this? And time and again what all the experts say is you've got to figure out what to do with Syria, with Bashar al-Assad. But you've got to figure out how you can get Sunni and Shia Muslims to find some kind of way to come together and stop inciting fighting and, you know, apostates and murdering each other. They murder each other more than they murder us.

BOLLING: I don't know, 129, they didn't really care. They weren't checking religion at the door.

PERINO: Hopefully, the president and the Congress will get together and offer some more support to the king of Jordan who is trying to manage a huge problem within his country.

All right. When "The Five" returns, Bill Hemmer joins us live from Paris with the latest on today's dramatic raids and the hunt for more terror suspects at large. Stay tuned.

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WILLIAMS: We want to check now in with FOX's Bill Hemmer, live from Paris with the very latest from there.

Bill, one thing that strikes me as tense -- tension-inducing is the relationship between the French and the Muslim community at this moment. What's it like?

BILL HEMMER, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: I tell you, it's two different worlds, Juan. Almost like two different planets orbiting around each other. And -- and with very little mix or very little contact.

And there is a sense of unease and a sense of fear. And Juan, if you just look at the events that have happened over the past 24 hours, all the false alarms that have been happening here in Europe and back in the U.S. with these Air France flights, it is palpable the sense that people have, when they say they do not know what could happen next. And you get a true sense of that every day here in Paris.

WILLIAMS: Eric.

BOLLING: So Francois Hollande said that he wants to declare a state of emergency. I think he said he wants to extend it three months, Bill. Do you see any evidence of what that means? I think some of the personal liberties are pushed aside, for at least the time being. Tell us what that means and if you're seeing anything.

HEMMER: Broader -- broader police powers for sure. They'll start arguing that in the lower house of parliament tomorrow on Thursday.

But the French have been expanding their laws going back to June of this past year. Digital tracking, surveillance monitors and cameras. They are doing this as we speak.

If he gets his wish, the state of emergency will go into effect for three additional months, and that's what wants now. He said it again today, Eric. This is a country at war, and this is a war he intends to win. He also said the French will stay with its commitment to bring in 30,000 refugees over the next two to three years in this country.

WILLIAMS: Dana.

PERINO: Bill, I wondered about any of the arrests that happened in the immediate aftermath. Did that possible subsequent interrogation lead to intelligence that gave them the ability to do that raid this morning?

HEMMER: It could have. The best piece of evidence, I think, Dana, was revealed by the prosecutor today. They found a cell phone in a garbage can outside the concert hall. And there was a text message on there that went out at 9:42 Friday night, that said, "Let's start now."

They did not identify to whom that text message went or to whom the phone belonged. But it's quite likely that's what led them to that safe house in Saint-Denis, about four or five miles from our location here near the Eiffel Tower.

PERINO: Critical -- critical to have the intel.

HEMMER: Dana, I do want to -- I want to -- no question. When you look at the video and the pictures, you see these men in the full-face ski masks; they're part of the jijean (ph). It's an acronym for GIGN. They're anti- terror police that fan out all over the country of France. They were borne out of the 1972 Olympic attack in Munich, Germany, during the summer of 1972. We saw them in action last night. They do not mess around, Dana.

GUILFOYLE: I like it.

WILLIAMS: All right. Ms. Guilfoyle.

GUILFOYLE: I want to bring some of them here.

OK. So compare this to what you saw in the city as you were reporting after 9/11 in terms of the way the city feels, the way it looks and the level of policing?

HEMMER: I would say New York City was much more intense. From the following perspective: it was new attack in America; we did not know where the attack came from. We were thinking there were survivors in the rubble of the World Trade Center days after the attacks. And I think it was -- it was a level of confusion that hardly anyone could figure out.

Here in France it's on a smaller scale. But still, Kimberly, I think this is the point. This is a country that believes they are fighting the fight in Europe by themselves. And that's part of the reason why they've reached out to the Russians. And that's part of the reason why the French president will be at the White House on Tuesday of next week.

WILLIAMS: Greg.

GUTFELD: You mentioned earlier these false alarms. I'm wondering if, you know, every little thing strains resources. Are the false alarms part, perhaps, of a larger strategy? The fact to keep the city on edge so you never know when they're going to strike? Because you still have to leave the fire department and the police station when it's a false alarm.

HEMMER: Could be. Hasn't been verified, but it's entirely possible, Greg.

I will say, though, I think it also goes to our own mentality and our own sense of safety and security. And you are much more aware, after moments like this, about the bag in the corner, about the person across the room. It makes you more suspicious.

And if you look at that stadium in Hanover last night that was cleared out and the game was canceled, the Air France flights out of L.A. and out of Washington, D.C., that were diverted. The Copenhagen airport earlier today that was evacuated, all of these led to nothing. And that goes to our own fear and our own paranoia. And when that happens, dare I say, the other side wins. and the people in France don't want that to happen.

BOLLING: But don't forget, there was a suicide vest that the lady did detonate.

WILLIAMS: Dana.

PERINO: I had a quick question, Bill, if you could confirm that in the raid they found a lot of police uniforms and emergency uniforms that they would actually hope -- probably, I guess, use in a future attack.

HEMMER: Some of that has been reported, Dana. I think here's the key point about all that. The ringleader has not been identified. Maybe his body was in there. Maybe it wasn't.

But if he was inside that safe house, Dana, we've been told for a week, that French authorities and U.S. intelligence authorities thought he was in Syria. And they still believe that as of this late hour. OK?

But he bragged earlier in the year about traveling from Syria to Belgium and back again. If his body is in that safe house, if he is one of the two unidentified bombers tonight, the intelligence authorities will have a lot to answer to. At the moment, not confirmed, not verified, despite the reports that were floating around a bit earlier today, Dana.

WILLIAMS: Bill Hemmer, thanks so much. That really helps us to have a better understanding of what life is like at the moment in Paris. Thanks, Bill.

One More Thing, up next.

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BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing." I'm going to kick it off. This morning during that raid on the terror cell in Saint-Denis in France, there was another casualty that Hemmer didn't outline. It's Diesel, check this out. Diesel, this dog, worked with the Special Forces in France.

GUILFOYLE: For seven years.

BOLLING: He was shot -- 7 year old -- he was shot by a terrorist. He was killed in action. Show them the next picture. That's Diesel going into action right there. And just the interesting part of this is there's actually, Greg, a hashtag, #IAmDog in French. It's gone viral. So Diesel, what a beautiful little dog.

Anyway, all right, let's move on -- Dana.

PERINO: OK. I have something that is non-Paris-related. I wanted to share this organization with you, because I think it's really great. It's called Figure Skating in Harlem, and my friend, Tina Lundgren, helped fund it -- sorry, found it. Probably fund it, as well. It combines the importance of education with the discipline of the sport of figure skating. It helps all these girls with academic success, well-being, the chance to empower them. Take a look at them skating.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Being a young girl in Harlem, there really wasn't, really, much you can do. You really didn't know that there was a program that offered figure skating.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What's unique about figure skating in Harlem is we combine leadership development, education and figure skating. And we use this to empower girls.

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PERINO: I love this whole story. And in October they got a big award in London for excellence in sports and education. And guess what: Next year they're going to expand to Detroit. So if you're in Detroit, you can look it up.

GUILFOYLE: Very nice.

BOLLING: Greg, you're up.

GUTFELD: Makes me stop and rink.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, God.

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GUTFELD: I love these people.

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GUTFELD: I was gone for two days. Monday -- I want to thank the people at the Reagan Library who hosted me while I did a talk. Thanks -- special thanks to John who was out there. Great footage here. There's me.

And then also I was at the Nixon Library with Sandy. Also did a great job, his crew. I was there signing books and talking. It's a great place. If you're ever out in Simi Valley or -- is it Yorma -- Yorba Linda?

PERINO: Yorba Linda.

WILLIAMS: Yorba.

GUTFELD: Hit the libraries. They're awesome. They've got neat stuff and lots of great flags.

GUILFOYLE: That video was awesome.

GUTFELD: Thank you very much.

GUILFOYLE: I was trying to find you.

BOLLING: John and Linda, right?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: All right, K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I have the most amazing "One More Thing."

BOLLING: You do.

GUILFOYLE: Dana loves it. Bend it like Beckham, baby. Yes, sexiest man alive. People chose him.

GUTFELD: Boo.

GUILFOYLE: I think he should just be -- you're the meanest ever.

GUTFELD: Boo.

GUILFOYLE: They should just choose him every year.

So this is what he said. It's a huge honor. And he's very pleased to accept. And he said, "I mean, I like to wear nice clothes and nice suits and look and feel good, but I don't ever think of myself that way."

GUTFELD: Aww.

GUILFOYLE: And he's humble.

BOLLING: Why do you drag Dana into this?

GUILFOYLE: Because Dana said, "I don't even need him to talk."

And then I said, "Well, Dana, we're learning something about you."

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh.

GUILFOYLE: Look it, put her on camera. With that face. Director...

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GUTFELD: But you don't like him, because you like athletes.

BOLLING: Ooh!

WILLIAMS: Ooh! All right, all right, all right.

GUILFOYLE: A dig by the little man.

GUTFELD: Soccer dig.

GUILFOYLE: Dig by the little man.

GUTFELD: We'll get angry letters.

GUILFOYLE: OK, fine.

WILLIAMS: So listen, when I was a kid, you know, Christmas music started on the radio after Thanksgiving. But these days, they're already playing Christmas music everywhere on all the radios.

GUILFOYLE: It's in my ear.

WILLIAMS: I don't understand. Now they start after Halloween. This to me is, like, crazy. I just don't understand.

GUTFELD: Just like these stories complaining about it.

WILLIAMS: It was ruined...

BOLLING: Liberal war on Christmas.

WILLIAMS: You guys are stealing Christmas, making it into a retail thing.

WILLIAMS: Get back to...

GUILFOYLE: What is wrong with you?

GUTFELD: You hate children.

WILLIAMS: That's what I do.

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