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Outrage erupts on college campuses igniting free speech debate

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 12, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Julie Roginsky, Eric Bolling and she deadlift a dandelion, Dana Perino, The Five.

As students at New York's Ithaca College hold a walk-out over racism and Yale students spats at speakers, the whole backstory behind the Missouri protest crumbles. It reminds me of the sex abuse scare of the '90s -- that phony panic where daycare workers were accused of satanic ritual abuse. Mass hysteria driven by media attention, it ruined lives. Now Missouri students are hallucinating KKK visits, but the student leader at the center of the Missouri mess now says his KKK claim was false. But who cares? When hate becomes a hoax, divisive deceptors just say, well, it's happening somewhere, and cowardly academics indulge it. It's just like the preschool case, except these aren't babies, but students who wish to be treated like babies. The entire campus needs a giant pair of Pampers. Meanwhile, thousands in Afghanistan protest the ISIS beheading of a little girl. That's real horror, while our kids fret over mean words. "The Five" has been warning you about this for years. Hell, I wrote a book on it called "The Joy of Hate," the banning of speakers, the rise of safe spaces, all driven by the noxious notion that speech is somehow violent. Just hear this:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRENDA SMITH-LEZAMA, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE MISSOURI STUDENTS ASSOCIATION: I personally am tired of hearing that First Amendment rights protect students when they're creating a hostile and unsafe learning environment for myself and for other students here. I think that it's important for us to create that distinction and create a space where we can all learn from one another and start to create a place of healing rather than a place where we're experiencing a lot of hate like we have in the past.

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GUTFELD: She's so tired of the First Amendment. OK, you want a safe space with no First Amendment at all? Let's give it to them. I offer the sanctuary campus, a segregated playpen for infants who reject rule of law and agreed-upon authority. In weeks, it will be nothing more than a violent dystopia of imploding maniacs providing the world a much-needed lesson that fascism flourishes in the absence of guts.

All right, Dana. We can't say we didn't warn these people. We talk about Condi Rice or Hirsi Ali, all these -- we've done segments on this forever. That was the student body VP, Brenda Smith, can't read my writing. It's scary when a student is saying, "I don't want -- the First Amendment."

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: She's so tired.

GUTFELD: She's so tired?

PERINO: Of the First Amendment protecting her. And Eric, remember -- we used to do a segment, I don't know if we actually ever branded it, but there was classification (ph) of America. I mean, this didn't just all of a sudden materialize on campus.

GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah.

PERINO: It has been something that's been building for a while. I hesitate to criticize her because she seems very sincere and earnest, and I don't know where society failed her.

GUTFELD: I won't hire her.

PERINO: I would never hire her.

GUTFELD: I would never hire somebody who says that.

PERINO: Absolutely not.

GUTFELD: Yeah, that should be on the wall (ph) forever.

PERINO: When she says that she's in an unsafe learning environment and you compare that to what girls in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: Have to go through. To be allowed to go to school. I don't know what -- what I don't understand is, I don't understand what they're looking for? When the grievance.

GUTFELD: Attention.

PERINO: Fall apart. When you said that the story crumbled -- remember, we keep being told that this is not too far from Ferguson, Missouri, but that story crumbled, too. So if there's a grievance, that's legitimate, I'm all for working on it. They actually -- they somehow believe that there is a perceived unsafe environment for them. I don't know what they want, but -- I hope that we can figure out a way to get it solved quickly.

GUTFELD: It won't be solved. I believe it. Eric, you're a parent. You're looking for a college.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yeah.

GUTFELD: What -- for your son. What are the parents supposed to be doing at this point?

BOLLING: I have 10 applications out right now. So far, one for one, well here's one. I'm looking at -- and let me tell you, anywhere between 30 and $65,000 a year.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: I'm looking to spend. And I'm looking at these protests and I'm sure those parents had no idea that their kids were going to end up on The Five tonight or in the forefront.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: Of The Five. What did they're looking? They're looking for a win. They're protesting here, they're protesting there, they're protesting downtown, they're protesting everywhere. Once they got the win, they got the college president and chancellor to step down, they got their win. That's why Ithaca is happening. That's why -- scalps.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: They got scalps. They say here's our.

GUTFELD: Wait.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Oh no, because.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Did I say scalp?

BOLLING: That could be racist.

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BOLLING: We didn't mean to. We -- Greg and I both apologize.

GUILFOYLE: Sorry.

BOLLING: But now they've got a win, so they're going to duplicate that effort in different places. Ithaca College, there are people laying on steps saying, we want our president and chancellor, whatever, out as well.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: For the same reasons. Here's the problem, when the president and chancellor step down, they gave them the win. Instead of resigning on fact, they resigned on fear.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: Yeah.

BOLLING: The fear of being labeled a racist. God forbid, an academic is labeled a racist. It's worst in anyone else in the world.

GUTFELD: Yeah, or anybody.

BOLLING: Or it is worst for them.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: Because their, you know, academia is the bastion of liberalism. God forbid -- and academic is labeled a racist. It's worst in anything in the world.

GUTFELD: I wonder where they learned how this accusation of racism can hurt you. Was it -- could it have been during the election of Barack Hussein Obama. Julie, I want to ask you.

JULIE ROGINSKY, GUEST CO-HOST: Why would you bring up his middle name? It's a little racist with you.

GUTFELD: Because it's his middle name.

ROGINSKY: OK. OK.

GUTFELD: And he's proud of it.

ROGINSKY: OK.

GUTFELD: The ACLU.

ROGINSKY: Yes.

GUTFELD: Is finally waking up to this. Even there -- they're out of their selective hibernation are now saying, this is weird. Students are resentful of hurtful speech. It must be -- you're a liberal, you came from the Ukraine, Ukraine?

ROGINSKY: Stop saying where I came -- no, I came from Russia.

GUTFELD: You came from Russia?

ROGINSKY: Different country, the country that's suppressing you right now.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: You are coming.

GUILFOYLE: You like Ben Carson. No, no, no. I really get.

ROGINSKY: No.

GUILFOYLE: Get my staff on.

GUTFELD: The land of free speech. This is the land you came to.

ROGINSKY: I could not agree with you more. By the way, when is not having your feeling hurt, all right?

GUTFELD: Yeah.

ROGINSKY: I'm sorry, you know what, there's nothing to protect -- there's nothing to protect you from not having your feelings hurt. I completely agree with you 100 percent. I don't understand where these kids think they're going to school.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

ROGINSKY: And by the way, the real world is not a safe space.

GUTFELD: No way.

ROGINSKY: It's not a safe zone. And to this young lady, the First Amendment is sacrosanct. And the ACLU, I'm glad they're waking up because this is exactly why they should exist. Because of that, they should protect people's right to say what they want to say no matter how offensive it maybe. I don't get what these kids are all about. I find it offensive. As a liberal I find it offensive. And by the way, when I went to college, a lot of my professors were very conservative. I learned more from them and as how to argue, and argue my point from them, than I could have learned from any liberal professor -- yes (inaudible). So they should benefit from that.

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GUTFELD: A very good point.

ROGINSKY: Thank you.

GUTFELD: Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: You have a child?

GUILFOYLE: I do.

GUTFELD: Sticks and stones.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: We were taught sticks and stones, is that now considered.

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GUTFELD: When you say sticks and stones -- it may hurt you but, is that now considered a hurtful statement?

GUILFOYLE: No, remember this is about -- yeah, I guess so. I mean.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: These games that they're playing -- remember the good old days, kids would play pin the tail on the donkey. They would play tag. And when you get to college its beer pong and trying to hook up? No. Now it is shoot a hostage. Take a professor, take an administrator out in front and see if you can just do them in and get somebody to lose their job. That's what they're more interested in these days, these kinds of scare tactics, hysteria that's going on. What about a good, old-fashioned education? You have a teacher teaching Lady Gaga, whatever, and you know, Fifty Shades of Gray. I mean, this is a joke. I hope parents are out there listening and really research and vet the schools that their children are going to attend. Because, I went to UC Davis, which is considered a liberal school, and we taught Roger Ailes book, OK? You are the message in public speaking and I'm rhetoric in communications department. What happened to those days?

GUTFELD: Excellent plug.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you very much.

GUTFELD: That was well done.

GUILFOYLE: But that's true. I mean there was a real education, like you said from conservative professors.

BOLLING: So, look what's going on in the last year or so. Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock say they're not going to play college campuses any more. Now we have liberal protesters taking on liberal professors, presidents and chancellors. Maybe the left is going to start to wake up. You lose Hollywood and liberal academia, what do they have left?

GUTFELD: Yeah. I don't know, though, if they're gonna-- I don't know when this is going to end. It's not gonna end until parents decide, I'm not gonna -- I'm not going to pay for this crap. I think we have a call for here. This is Mike Middleton. He is the interim president of the University of Missouri, on safe spaces.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MIKE MIDDLETON, UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI INTERIM PRESIDENT: I think safe spaces are critical. I think students need spaces where they can feel comfortable, where they can interact without fear, but I think if you're asking me in the context of the First Amendment and free speech issues, that's a very delicate balance.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: It's, oh, it's not a delicate balance.

PERINO: I don't understand what he's talking about.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: What is -- America is a safe space.

GUTFELD: Yes. It is.

PERINO: That's where we live. That's where we you get free speech.

GUTFELD: That's what people are trying to climb fences.

PERINO: Yeah.

GUTFELD: And cross rivers to get here. We're the safest space on the planet.

BOLLING: The bad news, it's probably like gun-free zones.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: Everyone wants to do something.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, crazy.

BOLLING: Run into the safe space and say something bad. Then all hell is gonna break loose.

ROGINSKY: But you know -- here is a good point, what exactly is a safe space? Is it for safer not having your feelings hurt? And by the way, who is going to be the judge of that? I'm going into your safe space, I'm gonna say, hey, Greg, I really don't like your shirt today. Oh, oh, you violated my safe space. OK.

GUTFELD: Well that's microaggression.

ROGINSKY: You can -- that is. Yeah, it's probably.

GUTFELD: Everything for me is micro.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

ROGINSKY: It's probably sexual harassment. I can't express my feelings and I can't express my opinion -- the opinion anymore because it might hurt your feelings? All of a sudden you're not in the safe space anymore? This is insane.

PERINO: I also think that they romanticize rebellion. And so their grandparents, really, the baby boomers who protested in the '60s, they were actually -- they were protesting actual things.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: And they actually (inaudible) something and they got things changed. I don't -- that's the thing with this. I don't understand. You're going to do all of this, so you can learn in a safe space?

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: Is this the grievance that you're?

GUTFELD: And the grievances are based on -- there are isolated incidents that can't be proven. The swastika thing, they can't find. The guy that talked about the KKK has turned out to be kind of a liar.

PERINO: He should have -- he should be expelled.

GUTFELD: He's the president of the student's association.

PERINO: Why don't they expel him from the school?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, he's explaining an unsafe school.

GUTFELD: Because that's racist.

PERINO: No.

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BOLLING: Again, you have to find your finger at the athletic department and the football team.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: That none of this.

GUTFELD: True.

BOLLING: Would have happened. He wouldn't have stepped down unless there was a threat from the football team. But when you get back to it, the football team, 4-5, you pointed out yesterday, Greg point if they were 9-0, they probably wouldn't have walked.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: Even if they weren't 9-0 or 4-5, what were they facing, a million dollar fine?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: Two million dollar fine?

GUILFOYLE: No.

BOLLING: There's $1.4 billion in that endowment. I mean, I don't think it's about.

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BOLLING: This was about the football -- the coaches, paying deference to the team. And what they've done is by laying over.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: By wuusifying their team.

GUTFELD: Right.

BOLLING: Give them a win.

PERINO: I think it also shows that college sports, especially the football teams are entirely too powerful.

GUILFOYLE: I agree.

PERINO: I think this is absurd.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: They're running schools.

PERINO: That's our -- that could be our segment for tomorrow.

GUILFOYLE: Do you know what's happen now? It's like the Benjamin Button of education. Before the babies were in kindergarten, now they're in college.

GUTFELD: That's true. And it's a self-perpetuating phenomenon. It inspires copycats because now, if you see the attention based on this, you have guys -- this one kid threatening to shoot students, and I don't even think he's from Missouri, but that feeds into the racism at Missouri, but it's clearly a copycat.

ROGINSKY: But I think what the kids are missing is there's hate speech, which rightfully is not legal in other place, although I think I think actually all speech should be legal because this is the First Amendment.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

ROGINSKY: But I can see their point and there's hateful speech. Just because something is hateful to you or hateful in general, doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to express their opinion. College is a place for that exchange.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

ROGINSKY: I mean, that should be exactly what's happening, and it's the opposite.

GUILFOYLE: Just like you're safe here.

ROGINSKY: Exactly. See I disagree with all of you and nobody.

PERINO: What college did you go to where you had conservative.

ROGINSKY: I honestly -- I went to Boston University, I know it sounds kind of true, but I was in the international relations department and all my professors were these cold warriors who served in NATO or other places in the '80s. They were huge proponents of Reagan's foreign policy. They were all fairly conservative.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, that's true.

ROGINSKY: And that's fine. That's great. I mean those -- and look, and I was able to hone my arguments because I found out what their opinion was. Look, I love talking to all of you guys. I don't have a safe space.

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GUTFELD: Not here.

ROGINSKY: I know. Not here. And I don't know -- that's great. I'm happy to have an exchange of opinion.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: You seem to like it.

ROGINSKY: I love it.

(CROSSTALK)

ROGINSKY: I'm coming back for more.

GUTFELD: This is a hard list to look at. This is the list of all the hoaxes in the last couple of years all on campuses. All the hoaxes, hate crimes, attacks on Facebook were all done by students that were perpetuated, I mean as a hoax. So when they said, a woman claimed that she had been -- she was threatened with rape. She had actually written it. So -- every single hoax on campus.

GUILFOYLE: Too much free time. Too much free time on college campuses.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Self perpetuating. That's my point.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. I get it.

GUTFELD: It's the attention that you get, all right. And then you get to walk out of class. That's a reward.

ROGINSKY: And you're punishing yourself, because you're paying tuition for something you're not actually doing.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Fire alarm.

GUTFELD: Yeah, there you go. All right, ahead. O'Reilly confronts Trump on his mass deportation plan after the candidate ordeal (ph). How do we get illegal immigrants out of America? That's next.

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GUILFOYLE: The immigration debate is still front and center in the race for the White House, Donald Trump, making even more waves on this issue with this new pledge if he becomes president.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You're going to have a deportation force and you're going to do it humanely. People are going to come in and they're going to come in legally, but we have no choice. Otherwise, we don't have a country. We don't even know how many people. We don't know if it's eight million or if it's 20 million. We have no idea.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Well, last night, Bill O'Reilly challenged Trump for sporting the deportation model used by Dwight Eisenhower in the 1950's.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL O'REILLY, THE O'REILLY FACTOR SHOW HOST: Believe me when I tell you, Mr. Trump. That was brutal what they did to those people to kick them back. I mean the stuff they did.

TRUMP: Well.

O'REILLY: Was really brutal. It could never happen today.

TRUMP: I've heard it both ways. I've heard Good reports. I've heard bad reports.

O'REILLY: No, no. You know me.

TRUMP: We would do it in a very humane way.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK. So let's get reaction here on this. Obviously, this is a contentious issue, but it's something that actually needs to be dealt with. This is a serious problem of immigration crisis in this country. How about even to start with, Eric, enforcing the laws that are on the books now.

BOLLING: Yeah. So, yes, correct. And I think Trump has said he wants to build a wall first and then work on deportation.

GUILFOYLE: Secure the border.

BOLLING: I don't know how you deport 11 or 12 million, but he wants to do it. If you get caught doing something wrong. Speeding, drunk driving, whatever, the deportation force he calls it, so they're deported, they get in line and they come back in legally. It has so many good aspects. You may not like the process, but bringing an illegal back into the country legally. They'll pay taxes, they'll contribute to society. They won't hide in the shadows. It's good for both I think. It's good for Latinos as well. The people who are trying to get in, the four or five million per year that try to get in, only a million get in. Some wait 10 years to get in. They'll be happier too that they're doing it the right way and people who didn't do it the right way will be at least in the same in line with them.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So maybe make the process more fair and equitable.

BOLLING: I don't know how you get 12 million out at once, though. I just -- maybe over the course of 20 years or something.

GUILFOYLE: Well, yes. I think that's possible.

PERINO: That's not what he said. He actually has said now, that he thinks - - he told a group, I believe in Alabama, that he can actually get this done, this deportation in 18 to 24 months, which means are deporting, forcibly deporting 23,000 people a day. I mean, it's not possible to do that, unless there's some sort of like magic thing that he can come up with. This is why it's actually really important. If you say you're going to have a deportation force and you have 50 percent of people in America saying that they trust him most on immigration. Then you, as a candidate, have an obligation to explain how it would actually work. And what does that deportation force look like? How much is it going to cost? The other thing is what Bill O'Reilly was talking about in terms of the operation wetback, which was the name of the program in the '50s. What they -- one of the things that they did was they took you across the border and then you got to step one foot over and you could still come right back in. Is that the kind of thing that we're talking about? Like bringing people back in that way? And the other thing is the way that program worked is that it was two-pronged. Not only did they asked people to go back or pushed people out, and as O'Reilly said a lot of it was really horrible. You could never do it today, and we shouldn't do it today, but they had at the same time the (inaudible) which was the temporary worker program. That's why immigration went down. Now the wage issue is another one. That's still -- it's just it is so complicated. And, but to say you're going to have a deportation force, you have an obligation to explain it and how you would get 23,000 people out a day. It would be an interesting thing to hear how that actually would get done.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I think if you, at a very minimum. One, you have to secure the borders. Two, you have to make a fair and equitable process that everybody plays by the same rules, and so the people who violate the laws are not rewarded. Three, I think you start with people that are committing crimes of violence, committing crimes in the United States that are here legally -- yeah, then you've got to go and you have to make.

PERINO: That will make sense.

GUILFOYLE: That I think is a very sane approach of what you need to be doing. I don't understand how anyone would quarrel with that particular approach, because you shouldn't be rewarding people that are criminals. They should not be allowed to have the rights and privileges of law- abiding.

PERINO: I wouldn't say that.

GUILFOYLE: I'm not referring to you.

PERINO: Oh.

GUILFOYLE: I'm just saying what my ideas are and that's what I think as a prosecutor for having seen it from the inside out.

BOLLING: Well, there were -- there are.

GUILFOYLE: That maybe you can do that as a start.

BOLLING: There were a few republicans who said they can stay. I mean -- the act of love, et cetera, you know, there's -- it's basically saying, you don't have to leave. You don't have to get in line. You don't have to, you know, I don't even know how you end up getting them documented. You just say everything is OK.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

BOLLING: If that works out.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So there are some differing opinions, because people want if it has to be done, it has to be done humanely, you don't want to split up families, because then, they're saying that's not American.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: Just like we're the country that goes to help and rescue everybody in humanitarian ways.

GUTFELD: You know what the real dream act is for the democrats, when republicans talk about forced deportation. We cannot make this about the immigration -- the immigrant. We cannot make it about the people. We have to make it about the process. The anxiety in America is real, but it really isn't about the immigrant. There's a certain feeling that our nation's saving traditions are under fire and therefore, our country cannot handle an influx of people. We always have been able to handle an influx of people and sustain immigrants, but for some reason we feel because of the current last seven or eight years, that our country is under attack and therefore, reaction is, we can't have any more people. Well, guess what, we need more people. This is a big country and these are people who don't steal jobs, they do jobs. So I applaud the idea of getting through the process. I explain it this way, Disneyland has a wall. You have to pay to get into Disneyland. You can't climb a fence to get into the Disneyland. Well, guess what, America is the world's Disneyland. Everybody is dying to get into this theme park if you're from Pakistan, if you're from Syria, hell, if you're from Canada, you want to come.

BOLLING: Yes.

GUTFELD: You want to come.

BOLLING: What about.

GUTFELD: Let me finish. You want to come here. We were lucky to be born here. We cannot decide. We're shutting the door because we're born here. We have to do what you say, create -- we have to enforce the law and the processes, but we cannot demonize a group of people. We have to fix the process, welcome the people.

BOLLING: That's the process, but what about the people who aren't -- who didn't pay to get into Disneyland -- who are in Disneyland.

GUTFELD: That's true. You create a process where they can't pay, but you don't -- that doesn't necessarily mean forced deportation, because the -- I hate to use the word optics, but the optics of forced deportation will destroy the Republican Party forever.

ROGINSKY: You're so right and to Dana's point, how do you practically do this? Do you go up to every person who might look like they're from Mexico or some other.

GUILFOYLE: Well, no, but that's not official.

ROGINSKY: No, no, no, but I don't know. How does he put to the (inaudible)? How does he plan on doing it? Show me your papers? Look all the countries that we are in?

GUILFOYLE: But I think also we can starts to, you know, kind of address itself. If you have specific laws that are in place that are enforced, people know that thing. That's sort of like a shot across the (inaudible). You're going to do this and we want to welcome immigrants because this is a country based and founded on hard work of immigrant's families as well, right? So we all came from someplace, back whether it was last generation or generations before. So be the country that is welcoming for those that want to adhere to the laws, follow the laws, contribute to society, work hard, pay for things, pay taxes like the rest of us, right?

ROGINSKY: But you're talking about a pathway to citizenship. Essentially, the Gang of Eight bill was endorsing, and I'm all for it. And you know, neither side was thrilled with it, but the bottom line is it got killed and that's the problem.

GUILFOYLE: I'm not supporting that bill.

GUTFELD: The problem is people equate path to citizenship with amnesty.

GUILFOYLE: Yup.

GUTFELD: We're living in the age of exaggerated rhetoric.

GUILFOYLE: Yup. Thank God I have rhetoric in communications degree. Next.

GUTFELD: You have a degree in everything.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, a few other things.

Battling a new wave of issues surrounding her e-mails, can she escape these latest developments? Ed Henry is here with how her campaign is now reacting.

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PERINO: Another new development today on the FBI's investigation of Hillary Clinton's e-mails. Fox's Catherine Herridge has learned agents are working to determined whether multiple statements made have violated what's called, the federal false statement statute. That's the same statute that got Martha Stewart into trouble a few years ago when she lied to the FBI. Every time the Clinton campaign looks to put the e-mail scandal behind them, another issue pops up. Will this put them back on the defensive? We have Chief White House Correspondent Ed Henry, he's on the campaign trail with Hillary Clinton, joins us now. How did they take the news today, Ed?

ED HENRY, CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think what's interesting is that I've been told that behind the scenes, the Clinton campaign has been telling some of their top campaign donors. Look, the media is blowing this FBI deal out of proportion and their claim is that the FBI only came in to take the server and go through the remaining official e-mails to sort out what's classified and what's not. And make sure that you've got all of these intelligence agencies fighting through information, figure out what's classified and what's not, get control of the server, make sure more information does not leak out.

The point being the Clinton camp claims that it's not really an investigation of Hillary Clinton. It's an investigation of the information and the server.

If this is true, that there's a widening investigation, and it's looking at false statements statutes, as well as the mishandling of classified information, that would blow their explanation to their own campaign donors out of the water. It would obviously mean she's in bigger trouble than they're letting on.

BOLLING: Is there any way the FBI, or is there any indication the FBI wants to look for the 30,000 emails that Hillary Clinton and her staff scrubbed prior to turning over whatever she turned over? Because there's no -- there's the smoking gun if there is one.

HENRY: There's no clear evidence yet that they are, and what the FBI does behind the scenes is also -- is always, often very secretive. And so you don't know fully, you know, what is really happening.

Politico a few days ago had reported, remember, that in some of the interviews, former State Department officials were being asked very pointed questions about whether there was concern inside the State Department when Hillary Clinton was the secretary, about classified information leaking out. If that's true as well -- and again, it was anonymous sources then. So we've got to let all of this play out.

It makes you wonder whether there's a lot more going on behind the scenes. And whether or not to your point, they will also look at what was deleted and whether or not on that server they can get the information back.

PERINO: Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I mean, this seems to me that this is far expanded from a preliminary, you know, investigation to now, a criminal investigation. I don't understand how they're going to be able to separate Hillary Clinton - - it's her private server -- from just quote-unquote, "an information- seeking, fact-finding mission." The two are connected together. There's a genuine nexus there.

HENRY: Right. And to just make it like, it's this distant server somewhere. This was a server set up by the Clintons, and specifically the secretary of state, in order to keep her information on that server instead of the official servers.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Who paid for it?

HENRY: There's somebody behind it.

GUILFOYLE: Who's footing the bill?

HENRY: And so all of that is going to come out here.

And don't forget: earlier this week, there was a federal judge who also said -- ordered that another 700 pages of documents have to come out. Not just emails, but written records and what-not from Huma Abedin and other top Clinton officials at the State Department. And they have to be released by December 1. So there's more information here dripping out, all of it dripping out closer and closer to Iowa and New Hampshire.

PERINO: Greg Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: Good to see you again, Carl.

HENRY: Hello, Greg.

GUTFELD: Two questions for you.

HENRY: Carl?

GUTFELD: Two questions. Try to follow them.

HENRY: I love your man bun, by the way. Your man bun is good. I like the man bun.

GUTFELD: Thank you, thank you. I'm sitting on it.

If Hillary were a Republican lying to victims of a terror attack, wouldn't there be a run on pitchforks by the media at Home Depot?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: First question.

Second one, we talked about historical firsts -- black president, female president -- could we have the first president under White House arrest? She could wear orange on her inauguration? Answer those questions.

GUILFOYLE: The new black.

HENRY: Yes, I don't -- I don't know anything about that. Next question?

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: What about the first question?

HENRY: What was the first question?

GUILFOYLE: Pitchforks.

GUTFELD: You can't win a Pulitzer when you're chasing after someone you admire.

HENRY: Right.

GUILFOYLE: Wow, poor election, Ed. This is why he favors...

GUTFELD: Wait, that's Ed? I thought it was Carl.

HENRY: Yes, you know what? Maybe we can talk about Carl instead. Because I'm not really sure where your questions are going.

PERINO: His questions actually made perfect sense to me.

GUILFOYLE: His man bun. His man bun.

PERINO: I feel like we have to give Julie the last word here.

ROGINSKY: Well, so my question is are the Hillary people going out there and essentially saying she spent 11, 13 hours testifying about all this, nothing to see, let's move on? Is that pretty much the narrative coming out of the campaign?

HENRY: Yes, that's their feeling. And I've been out on the trail since the 11 hours of Benghazi testimony. Hillary Clinton is now trying, at least. I'm not saying she's going to get away with that. But she's trying to wear it as a badge of honor. When she brings up the 11 hours of testimony, Democrats on the trail cheer her and say, you know, "You withstood the scrutiny from the Republicans, and you've turned the page."

That's why this story can be so big. The email server still, the FBI investigation lurking, and that could blow anything that was positive for her out of the Benghazi testimony, out of the water.

PERINO: Everybody who has a top-secret clearance is actually watching this very carefully, because they were held to a different standard than she's been.

All right. Thanks, Ed, we appreciate it.

GUTFELD: Bye, Carl.

PERINO: Next, a "South Park" show of support for police in America and the Trump skit you did not see this weekend on "SNL." And finally, something ironic you might enjoy. It's all coming right up in "The Fastest 7."

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BOLLING: Welcome back, time for...

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GRAPHIC: Fastest 7

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BOLLING: ... "The Fastest Seven Minutes on Television." Three riveting stories, seven rolling minutes, one rad host.

GUTFELD: Rad?

PERINO: I'll take it.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling.

BOLLING: First up, "South Park," we just can't get enough of you. Last week she showed you how they hilariously destroyed the politically correct crowd with a new character, the politically incorrect PC principal. And now you crushed the anti-cop movement with this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, what do you want?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's OK. I'm off-duty, just came for a nice pinot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, well, go somewhere else, copper. City Park Town is for people who care about each other.

We don't take kindly to folks who impose their authority on the underprivileged.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now look, not all cops are racist, trigger-happy (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really? I'll bet you don't even know what farm to table means.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow. We've only had a Whole Foods for a month, and already we don't need cops. So cool.

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BOLLING: Nice job, guys. You nailed it. Everyone thinks they don't need a cop until they do. Heads up, Quentin Tarantino.

Now, K.G...

GUILFOYLE: Ay, yi, yi.

BOLLING: ... at the end of that episode, they all realize how much they need cops, and they welcome the cops back.

GUILFOYLE: Well, listen, so that's what you have to do. You have to educate the ignorant through cartoons so they understand what's happening. Uh-huh. (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

BOLLING: All right. Greg, your thoughts on this?

GUTFELD: This is -- this is reminiscent, it just reminded me of a classic "Simpsons" episode where all authority dissipated, all the moral authority to do what you want, and it was chaos.

But to your point, the only brave commentary left is in animation by outsiders. These guys don't answer to anybody. They can't get live actors to do this stuff.

PERINO: They can't get fired.

GUTFELD: They can't get fired. That's the point. So they can do this. And there's no actors who are willing to play by their rules. This is truly edgy, because they can do it, and they're the only people left that are doing it. Mike Judge...

PERINO: That's the future of "The Five." It's just going to be cartoons.

GUTFELD: Mike Judge, I mean, "Beavis and Butthead," "King of the Hill."

BOLLING: How effective -- I mean, they literally took the anti-Quentin Tarantino message and nailed it. They locked it down.

ROGINSKY: To some extent. But don't forget at the end of the episode, my understanding is...

BOLLING: They needed cops.

ROGINSKY: ... the cops all went on a racist killing spree.

BOLLING: No, no, no. No, no, no.

ROGINSKY: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) no kids, so...

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BOLLING: Anarchy. In fact this is what Greg was talking about in the "A" block.

ROGINSKY: No, no, no. The cops did it.

BOLLING: No, no, right. But Greg was pointing out in the "A" block that, for a while, there was anarchy. Anarchy broke out, because there were no cops. It was all a safe zone.

PERINO: I took offense that he was ordering a pinot, because I don't think that real men should drink pinot.

GUILFOYLE: We do.

GUTFELD: Is that a jab at me?

BOLLING: All right.

GUILFOYLE: That was.

BOLLING: "Saturday Night Live," hosted by Donald Trump...

PERINO: Just got shorter.

BOLLING: ... broke ratings records. This skit coming up didn't even make the cut, the haircut, that is.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An elite team of super soldiers are responsible for protecting our nation's most valuable asset: Donald Trump's hair. They are: Scalp Team 6.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Getting a little breezy out here. I'm not liking it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're making our approach.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They've landed.

BECK BENNETT, CAST MEMBER, NBC'S "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": OK, team. Take the scalp.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go, go go.

TARAN KILLAM, CAST MEMBER, NBC'S "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": We got to stabilize the perimeter. Everybody grab a hair!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The wind is too strong.

KILLAM: I can't get a good grip. How are we doing with that hairspray, McCormick?

CECILY STRONG, CAST MEMBER, NBC'S "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": Not good. This is just medium hold.

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BOLLING: All right, maybe it's just me, but I absolutely love the "Saturday Night Live" crew in that skit. How did that not make air?

ROGINSKY: It was about as funny as the rest of it, which is not funny at all.

BOLLING: You don't think that was funny?

ROGINSKY: It was funnier than other stuff they had.

BOLLING: Dana.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling thinks it's funny, because he uses more hairspray than you.

BOLLING: I love their humor. I know, it's stupid.

GUILFOYLE: I thought it was funny.

PERINO: I think it's fine to watch here in a sound bite. But I think it reinforces my good decision to go to bed early that night.

BOLLING: Very good. Greg.

GUILFOYLE: You go to bed early every night.

Yes.

GUTFELD: You never regret going to bed early. Do you notice that? It's like saying, it's like you never regret not going to the bar at 1 a.m.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, I do. I regret going to bed early.

GUTFELD: It was funnier than the stuff that was on Saturday. But that's such a low bar I could step over it.

I think it used to be a daring show. But it's stilted and manufactured, because they keep rewriting it and rewriting it.

ROGINSKY: And Trump had veto power, which is the worst part.

GUTFELD: But it was the funniest thing from the show.

GUILFOYLE: I thought it was funny. I mean, come on. You've got to make fun of yourself.

BOLLING: How about this one? Alanis Morissette topped the charts in 1995 with her hit song "Ironic." That was before Facebook, Snapchat and vaping. Fast forward 20 years, "Ironic" gets a facelift.

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ALANIS MORISSETTE, SINGER (singing): It's like swiping left on your future soulmate. It's a Snapchat that you wish you had saved. It's a funny tweet that nobody faves. And who would've thought it figures.

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BOLLING: Amanda tells me she wore those hats -- she wore that hat in the original video.

GUTFELD: Oh, God. I can't remember. It's one of the most hated and disputed songs of all time because of the heinous lyrics in which she uses ironic improperly. It's not ironic when it rains on your wedding day. It's not ironic when there's a traffic jam when you're late to work.

What's ironic is a large dog named Tiny. So she kind of convoluted the idea of what ironic is. It's a figure of speech that means something else than the expressed words, and for that, I can't stand her.

BOLLING: Very good. Dana.

PERINO: I've always felt the same way. Like it's a bummer that it rained on your wedding day. It's not ironic.

GUILFOYLE: It's supposed to be good luck. I mean...

GUTFELD: A big dog named Tiny. That's ironic.

ROGINSKY: And it was '90s, and Winona Ryder explained the meaning of irony so well in "Reality Bites." She should have listened.

But she actually addresses it. She said "Singing 'Ironic' but there are no ironies" as part of the new lyrics. So at least she addresses...

BOLLING: Figured it out.

GUTFELD: Situational irony.

GUILFOYLE: She learned from you, Greg. Oh yes.

BOLLING: she fixed her own error. Something we do quite often.

GUTFELD: She should have issued an apology.

BOLLING: In the "E" block there will be an apology for everything we screwed up in the "A," "B," and "C," and "D."

All right. Next, two Oscar award-winning actresses with two very different takes on the Hollywood gender wage gap debate. Stay tuned.

PERINO: Wow.

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ROGINSKY: Actress Jennifer Lawrence has ignited a conversation about gender pay inequality and now other major Hollywood actresses are giving their takes.

Take for instance, Sandra Bullock, who said this to "Variety," quote, "Money is the by-product of everything. How do you explain to your son that the ERA hasn't passed? I want him to think I'm the boss and women are equal. But I can't really support that in the outside world. I hope in my lifetime for him everything is a level playing field. We can hope."

GUTFELD: Aw.

ROGINSKY: Actress Kate Winslet, however, wants no part of the discussion. Watch.

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KATE WINSLET, ACTRESS: I'm having such a problem with these conversations. Because they keep coming up, and I understand why they're coming up. But maybe it's a British thing. I don't like talking about money. It's a bit vulgar, isn't it?

I am a very lucky woman. And I'm quite happy with how things are ticking along. If I'd ever been in that situation I would have either dealt with it or removed myself from it.

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ROGINSKY: So Dana, this is interesting. She's uncomfortable talking about it. I'm a little uncomfortable with the fact that the ten highest paid movie actors in 2015 made $431 million. And the equivalent for women only made $52 million.

PERINO: How many women were in that top tier?

ROGINSKY: Ten. No, ten each. So top ten of both. So your thoughts on it?

PERINO: This is what I think. I think both things can be true. I think that you can advocate for equal pay for the kind of work that you do and that you should advocate for it.

What Kate Winslet said is true. It's not a British thing; it's actually a thing that a lot of women deal with.

And Kimberly, in your book "Making the Case," you make some really good points about how people can actually -- how women can actually try to get the salary or the fee or the product, whatever it is that they are deserving.

So I think that both for me -- I feel like Kate Winslet does not actually do women any favors by suggesting that it's vulgar to talk about actually trying to get paid what you're worth.

ROGINSKY: I agree. Kimberly, have you -- actually, it's a good point. You do raise this. Do you think that women just don't stand up for themselves as much as men? Is that the problem?

GUILFOYLE: Some do, some don't. I don't want to generalize. But I'm encouraging women, empowering them to do that. Just like I would encourage a man to try and ask for what he's worth. I think it happens, you know, on both sides of the gender equation.

But you should be able to articulate in a meaningful way your worth. Kind of be able to put yourself out there and say, "This is what I think what I've done, what I'm worth." Do your research in the marketplace to find out what people are making that work in a similar position to yourself. When you're armed with those facts, and equipped with it, you can present that case based on facts and based on your work ethic, and it should prevail. So, you know, don't be afraid to advocate for yourself or get a better agent.

ROGINSKY: But actually, it's interesting. It's interesting. A lot of -- a lot of these women, are these women even the right people to make this argument? Because they're all getting paid a tremendous amount of money. Is Hollywood really the right forum for this?

GUTFELD: Well, two points: Single women in their 20s without kids make more than single men without kids. That's from a study from Queens College, a government study.

I love movies, and I love female heroines. My list of female heroines. Clarice Starling from "Silence of the Lambs"; Ripley from "Alien," I love her; Princess Leia from "Star Wars"; Sarah Connor from "Terminator"; Dorothy from "The Wizard of Oz," all written by men. So when you want strong heroines, thank the men.

ROGINSKY: It's also very clear you haven't seen a new movie in about 30 years. But...

GUTFELD: I've seen a lot of movies, and I've made a few, Kimberly. I would like you to come over and watch them.

ROGINSKY: You want to come over? That sounds sketchy.

GUTFELD: They're art -- art films.

BOLLING: Also, coincidentally, made by men.

GUTFELD: They're made by men.

GUILFOYLE: Sorry. Featuring Lou Dobbs, OK, OK.

BOLLING: If I can just throw this out there very quickly. We've got to go. But look, I agree with Dana: advocate, but don't mandate. Once you start mandating, then you're going to get into that anti-free market discussion. Just like minimum wage. Just advocate.

And look, the free market will pay women what they're worth, and they'll pay men what they're worth.

ROGINSKY: Apparently...

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PERINO: But women typically will not ask for what they're worth. They'll say, "OK" -- they'll say, like, you offer them a job, give them especially their first or second job. They're just like, "OK, thank you so much." And they don't argue for more. It's kind annoying that they can't prove that they're worth it.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: And that is -- I think there's a generational difference. I think the millennials and then Generation Z that's coming up after that, they're not going to have this many problems. I hope.

But if you are in a position where you need to figure out a way to ask for a raise, I do encourage you to get Kimberly's book.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.

PERINO: Because it's very specific advice in there that can help you. It works.

GUILFOYLE: Don't settle for less money or a sub-par deal (ph).

ROGINSKY: "One More Thing" is up next.

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GUTFELD: "One More Thing" -- Eric.

BOLLING: OK, so let's roll a little V.O. of the ceremony, the Medal of Honor ceremony that took place today. That's Army Captain Florent Groberg, former track star at Maryland. He had hopes to be an Olympic track star. He became a nationalized citizen of the United States in 2001.

Fast-forward to 2012 in Afghanistan. Captain Groberg threw himself, tackled a suicide bomber and saving the security people he was protecting. He's since had 33 surgeries to save his leg.

Folks, these are the heroes who we should be -- we should be highlighting every single day.

PERINO: Wow.

BOLLING: Captain Florent Groberg.

GUTFELD: Naturalized citizen.

BOLLING: Yes, sir.

GUTFELD: All right. Can't beat that one. Why bother trying?

I was in Texas signing books, and every now and then someone gives me something that's not contagious. In this case, this might be the greatest thing I've ever seen. It's a painting of me without my shirt on, riding a unicorn...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: ... with a rainbow mane and an American flag and a tattoo of the...

GUILFOYLE: Scales of justice.

GUTFELD: ... scales of justice.

ROGINSKY: Did you bring that back on the plane with you?

PERINO: And really long legs.

GUTFELD: I know, yes.

GUILFOYLE: I think those abs are pretty generous.

GUTFELD: No, no, no, no.

GUILFOYLE: Like, from when you were at "Men's Health."

GUTFELD: The traps are pretty much overdone. But the abs are...

BOLLING: It's a very colorful painting there.

GUTFELD: It celebrates a lot of things, Eric.

BOLLING: It does. Well done.

GUTFELD: It celebrates a lot of things. All right.

GUILFOYLE: It's very Putin-esque.

GUTFELD: It is.

GUILFOYLE: You look, like, six feet tall there in there, which I think pleases you.

GUTFELD: All right. Dana.

PERINO: A little artistic license. Kimberly next.

GUTFELD: Kelly -- Kelly Eureka (ph) did this. I forgot to say who did it!

BOLLING: Eureka (ph).

GUTFELD: Eureka (ph). Thanks, Eureka (ph).

GUILFOYLE: So last night I had the pleasure of attending a fantastic event in New York City honoring a great American and patriot. That's a picture there of Ambassador John Loeb and his wife, Sharon Handler Loeb. And he received the prestigious 2015 Emma Lazarus Statue of Liberty Award last evening.

And he was addressed by his son, Nick, who accompanied him and spoke very eloquently on behalf of his father; and former national security adviser, Richard Allen who worked for President Reagan.

Ambassador Loeb was given this prestigious award, because he has devoted his adult life to fostering public awareness of Jewish contributions to American society and promoting religious freedom and liberty in this country. He's also chairman of the Winston Churchill Foundation of the United States.

And it was a great night. I want to say congratulations.

PERINO: OK. I'm going to save my "One More Thing" for another day so that we can have Julie. I'll just say that there are three people at this table who are also on "O'Reilly" tonight.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: Not together. Separate. So make sure you watch.

GUILFOYLE: Figure out the puzzle.

ROGINSKY: All right. Quickly, apparently, there's new words that have been added to Dictionary.com. I know none of them. But they're all millennial words.

GUTFELD: "Feels."

GRAPHIC: Dictionary Adds New Words: "Feels" (strong, often positive feelings)

ROGINSKY: If anybody know what any of them mean, please, please tweet me. Because I had to ask somebody.

GRAPHIC: Dictionary Adds New Words: "Fleek" (flawlessly styled, groomed, etc.)

ROGINSKY: I feel very old. I hope nobody else does. But I don't know what that is.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: I'm tired of those stories. I don't need new words.

ROGINSKY: Yes.

GUTFELD: I like the old words.

PERINO: Like friends.

BOLLING: Criminals (ph).

GUTFELD: Yes. "Special Report" is up next.

BOLLING: Just kidding.

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