Candidates draw clear lines on immigration at GOP debate

Sparks fly at presidential debate


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 11, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld is back. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Today is Veterans Day. "The Five" salutes our brave heroes who served this nation. We are gonna talk about our vets ahead, but first to last night's big GOP debate. Fox Business crushed it. Over 14 million viewers tuned in to see Neil, Maria and Gerard ask real questions, not gotcha questions. Lots to get to, so let's start with one of the hottest topics of the night, immigration, clear lines were drawn. On one side, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz with a conservative hardline stance, on the other, Jeb Bush and John Kasich with what some might call a considered path to amnesty.


DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We are a country of laws. We need borders. We will have a wall, the wall will be built, the wall will be successful, and if you think walls don't work all you have to do is ask Israel. The wall works, believe me, properly done.

GOV. JOHN KASICH, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Come on, folks, we all know you can't pick them up and ship them across, back across the border. It's a silly argument.

SEN. TED CRUZ, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Every sovereign nation secures its borders. And it is not compassionate to say we're not going to enforce the laws and we're going to drive down the wages for millions of hard-working men and women.

GOV. JEB BUSH, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Twelve million illegal immigrants, to send them back, 500,000 a month is just -- not possible. And it's not embracing American values. And it would tear communities apart.


BOLLING: All right, Kimberly. Let's start with you. Your thoughts on, A, the immigration debate, B, who you thought did well last night?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: You know, I think everybody had a pretty good night. I mean, the only person I saw was being too frustrated and came off like probably not at his best, at his game was Kasich, and I think he's very frustrated with the situation, also he didn't get enough time et cetera. However, everybody else I think basically stayed true to their core ideology, to the message that they wanted to get across. Carson, even in the wake of all the different incidents and news items that have come forward, I think he gave good explanations and was pretty steady. I think he probably exceeded expectations for what they were for him this week. I think Jeb Bush had a good night. I really do. I think he was very consistent in his message. He was very honest by saying he doesn't speak in sound bites, but he stuck to his record saying that he has a proven record in business for 30 years and as a governor with a successful record, to create jobs and taxes. The immigration issue was a little bit tricky, but I don't see that they were calling for amnesty. I think they're saying we have to do this in a way that is going to keep families together and in the true principles of America. So that's the way I saw it. And Rubio and Cruz, I thought were fantastic.

BOLLING: Gotcha. OK, Greg, the overall general consensus, your feelings on the candidates and/or this topic?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Exactly what Kimberly said, I think the real winner here was the Cuban sandwich. You had the hawkish Rubio, you had the red meat Ted and together they represent two key elements of the party. And I thought that they were the most articulate on their respective sides. I also think Ted Cruz wins when he talks as oppose to orate. When he starts to lecture, his voice goes up and drives me crazy, but when he talks, he's great. But the real winner is the public who watched this debate. I mean, when you compare this to CNBC, it's like going from Motel 6 to the Four Seasons. It made the CNBC debate look like a dunking tank for dorks, because the questions were very specific. At times they were dry, but the fact is it's the boring stuff that get kills you. And I thought they get a really good job. But I think the people of Missouri -- this is what the First Amendment is like. Could you imagine an activist from Missouri or a professor from Missouri being on that stage? They would have crumbled. They would need a body pillow to hug. They would need a safe space because that actually is how politics works, and how republicans -- republicans doing a better job than democrats.

BOLLING: And to prove Greg's point. If you look at the quarter hours, Dana, each quarter, it grew. Quarter grew, quarter grew. It peaked to around, I believe around 10:15 or so. There's an hour and 15 minutes into the debate. People were coming to see what was going on. And at times, there was a bit dry, but so what, people want to hear this stuff.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: And I also thought that the follow-up questions were very pointed and targeted and it actually drew the candidates out even more, so that you know, you can kind of have your canned answer, but the follow-up question is always the place usually where someone can either shine or falter. I do think that everyone did very well. Interesting on the immigration side of things, there clearly is a lot of discussion going on -- within the party. The biggest applause line last night that Kasich got happened to be when he was talking about immigration of all things. So there is this split. I couldn't help but think, what, if you're Hillary Clinton's camp and you're watching this, how do you figure out a way to talk about immigration in a way that will be productive for her, in a general election? Republicans know what their challenges are in a general election on immigration, but for her, I actually think it is difficult for her to figure out how she is going to do it because she can't go a straight leftist play, people are concerned. The other thing on this topic that's very frustrating, and I spent a good part of the day looking at, also to different studies and data is that no one is working from the same set of facts. The questions about facts on wages are actually -- it's just there's no -- nobody is saying, OK, here's the definitive study that we can at least all agree on, that we can then argue from there. There's stuff all over the map. And so the business community, there are people that want to restrict immigration more. I think they would do themselves a favor if they could get together and decide on a set of metrics that we could all then have an actual debate about.

BOLLING: Hey, Juan. I gave Rubio and Cruz A's. I gave Trump, Carson, Carly Fiorina and Rand Paul B's. I gave Jeb and Kasich C's only because of their bank that they allowed questions that they couldn't answer, wouldn't answer -- do you see it differently?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: You know I like the way you did. In fact, today, I read something and said that Jeb Bush needed an A-plus performance, but he got a passing grade. That's what you just gave Jeb Bush, a passing grade of C. I thought that he started off strong. I like the passion with which he spoke about the immigration issue. But after that it felt like he sort of disappeared, does that he little back-and-forth with Trump, you know and, but I just don't see -- I was -- I thought that stood out to me big-time.

BOLLING: Carson?

WILLIAMS: Carson, I thought got a pass from his peers. There was the opportunity for them to jump him. There was the opportunity for people to say something about Rubio and his issues, nothing like that.

PERINO: That was true all night.

WILLIAMS: Yes. So I don't -- so I -- and also.

GUTFELD: And because they found out.

GUILFOYLE: And today.

GUTFELD: The stories about his violence were true.


WILLIAMS: That could be. Yeah, that's true.

GUILFOYLE: They were afraid.

GUTFELD: They're like, where cable steer clear.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. I tried.

GUILFOYLE: They're afraid of that in Iowa.


GUILFOYLE: Backlash.

WILLIAMS: I tried the tough black guy thing on this set, but it doesn't work and it doesn't matter.

GUTFELD: Just makes you sensitive.


BOLLING: There's (inaudible) time.

GUILFOYLE: That doesn't work when you sit next to a Puerto Rican woman.

WILLIAMS: Well, yeah, I'm so lucky.

GUILFOYLE: They're more scared of me.

WILLIAMS: Yes. But I got to tell you. I mean, there are some things that did about me -- you were talking about metrics. Trump says wages are too high. Wait a minute, I didn't -- that's not great stuff for to say to an audience who says that economic anxiety is one of their principle concerns. And then the second part was who is really a conservative. I love the debate between Cruz and Rubio.

BOLLING: All right. We got to move on to this one. If you're playing a drinking game, rule number one, do a shot every time you hear the phrase big government, you got drunk. Check it out.



CARLY FIORINA, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This isn't about just replacing a democrat with a republican now. It's about actually challenging the status quo of big government. Big government has created a big business called politics.

SEN. RAND PAUL, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I want a government really, really small so small you can barely see it. So I want lower taxes and much more money in the private sector.


GOV. BOBBY JINDAL, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have a fundamental choice to make folks. Are we willing to cut the government economy so we can grow the American economy? That is the most fundamental question we've got to answer, we're on the path to socialism right now.


CRUZ: The biggest lie in all of Washington and in all of politics is that republicans are the party of the rich. The truth is the rich do great with big government.



PERINO: I think that Ted Cruz had a really, really good debate. And I think they all benefitted from having a slightly smaller number of -- a fewer people on the stage, that there was eight, instead of ten and that gave them all a little bit more time. And I find -- I think that they finally are starting to make the case definitive case for their candidacy, and you saw Carly Fiorina and Rubio both did this, where they were finally zeroing in on. What I've been thinking, we've all been talking about, this anxiety that people feel, especially mothers. So this is where you've seen people saying that the country is on the wrong track, at 72 percent in the Pew and Gallup poll recently, 72 percent of people think the country is on the wrong track. But when you drove down a little bit, mothers and fathers, but mostly mothers will say, I worry about the future for my children.


PERINO: And I -- the one thing I think that they have -- they don't go to the next step to say, it's not just immigration as a problem or energy as a problem. I don't think that they made the case that they -- none of them made the case, so they understand the economy and how complex it is and what actually needs to be done in a wholehearted way or in a holistic way. They have an opportunity to do that in the next two weeks and they need to.

BOLLING: Greg, do you think anyone made the case that they were really in favor of smaller government? And how they were going to do it?

GUTFELD: This is the problem with the idea of small government because it doesn't exist anymore. We have to stop lying to ourselves. You know, as conservatives and libertarians, we talk about small government. It's over. Now it's just about trying to keep the thing in a cage. Or trying to figure out a way when they're spending your money, how to spend it. So if I am now embracing big government, I want big military. I want big bombs and big tanks and I want big power. I don't -- if we're going to spend, let's spend. By the way, I forgot to -- Kasich was absolutely awful last night. I don't know if we're going to talk about that later, but he reminds me of the guy that's in front of you when you're trying to check in to the hotel room, and he's complaining about the showerhead. And you're just tired, but he won't stop complaining. And everybody just sitting there going, would you please shut up.

BOLLING: But do you realize what he did about three-quarters away through the debate? When Ted Cruz asked him about bank bailouts, are you there or not? And he said, "No." Or what you gonna do? And then Kasich said, "What about all those depositors?"


BOLLING: "Individual depositors?" And Cruz said, "What you gonna do?" And Kasich -- I think he blew his whole candidacy up in one line when he said, "Well, we'll figure out who can afford it and who can't." I mean, if that, that is a liberal talking point.


BOLLING: Straight down the middle.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, that's what it sounds like. That's their lingo. I don't think.

PERINO: I don't like that exchange, though. Because I feel like none of that -- nobody --- you actually don't know -- you can't predict exactly what decision you're going to make before you walk into the Oval Office. You can talk about a set of principles, but until you're presented with all of the facts and have a chance to deliberate those, you don't really know. I do think, though, he did say one thing that he could stick to and I said people are going to love this and they did. When Ted Cruz said that he would veto any legislation that didn't also apply to members of Congress?

BOLLING: Yeah, yeah.

PERINO: Huge applause and I think in the Frank Luntz focus group that was like a 96 percent. That was a really smart good thing to say, something you could actually stick to.

WILLIAMS: But I just thought, if you're a democrat watching this last night, you said, you know what, I see these large lines of division among republicans. We can talk about immigration and I think if you were, with the Hillary Clinton campaign, yes, you were laughing because guess what, unlike your position, Dana, I think it doesn't take a lot for the democrats to say we are much more pro immigrant than any of these republicans.

PERINO: No, I'm not saying it, but that's -- do you think that necessarily helps them.


PERINO: All the way in the general election?

WILLIAMS: Yeah. You're just talking about.

PERINO: It might.

WILLIAMS: A republican base and the republican primary.

PERINO: No. I'm talking about the general -- I know, I actually, I think it's bigger than that one. I do think -- I don't think this is just an R&D issue.

WILLIAMS: I think it is.


PERINO: We shall see.

BOLLING: Stay right there because we have one more topic I want to get to. They -- when they weren't taking swipes at each other, some candidates focused their fire at the democratic frontrunner, Hillary Clinton and that tactic -- pretty effective.


GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I want to talk about what's going to happen to this country if we have another four years of Barack Obama's policies. And by the way, it will be even worse because Hillary Clinton is running so far to the left to try to catch up to her socialist opponent, Bernie Sanders. It's hard to even see her anymore.

BUSH: Hillary Clinton has said that Barack Obama's policies get an A, really? One in ten people right now aren't working or have given up altogether, as you've said, that's not an A. One in seven people are living in poverty, that's not an A. One in five children is on food stamp. That is not an A. It may be the best that Hillary Clinton can do, but it's not the best America can do.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: For the first time in 35 years, we have more businesses dying than starting. And around the world, every day brings news of a new humiliation for America. Many, the direct respond -- the direct consequence of decisions made when Hillary Clinton was the secretary of the united -- of state.


BOLLING: All right, K.G., you called that.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Yesterday, I said listen, leg sweep Hillary, pant suit and all, that's what you have to do. Have a -- you know, move on target, that's the mission objective. Quick trying to eat each other's arms and legs off, and just focus on her because that's when you look presidential, you sound presidential. I think Christie crushed it last night. He sounded presidential, he looked and acted like he wanted the job and he was prepared, I was very impressed with that. And you know, I also thought that Ben Carson had good lines when he was talking about calling, "that's what we call a lie where I come from." About Hillary Clinton and lying about Benghazi, telling her daughter Chelsea something and the American people something else. And Jeb, I think was very strong on focusing on Hillary Clinton and tying her to Barack Obama and making the case strongly that a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for someone to the left of Barack Obama and the country can't afford that. That's the case. That's what needs to be set.

BOLLING: Juan, did Hillary have a good debate or a bad debate last night?

WILLIAMS: She had a great debate. Are you kidding me? I'm listening to you and I'm thinking, boy, look at this, premature hating on Hillary.

GUILFOYLE: What do you mean?

WILLIAMS: Because you don't even have a candidate.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, please.

WILLIAMS: You don't have anybody that's unifying the republican debate.

GUILFOYLE: Now you're being silly. You know I'm right.

WILLIAMS: No. I'm being serious.

GUILFOYLE: Now this is silly.

WILLIAMS: You don't have -- right now, I think it's Ben Carson and Donald Trump have about 50 percent, right? OK.


WILLIAMS: That's it. But other than that, in this large field, with this 14 or 15 candidates right now.

BOLLING: Fourteen, fourteen.

WILLIAMS: It's splintered, Kimberly. It's thoroughly splintered.

GUTFELD: Yeah, but.

WILLIAMS: And there's no sense of.

PERINO: But she's talking about on the merits.


PERINO: She's not talking -- of course there's gonna be.

WILLIAMS: What is it?

PERINO: She's talking about the merits.

WILLIAMS: Go ahead. What merits?

PERINO: Of Hillary Clinton's policy. She's saying they're not good.

WILLIAMS: Look, I think.

PERINO: You can argue that point. The point you -- you're actually arguing something that she's not saying.

WILLIAMS: You know what? Eric, why does she keep interrupting me?

GUILFOYLE: Thank you for the U.N. .


WILLIAMS: Why does she keep interrupting me?

GUILFOYLE: She's trying to help you.

WILLIAMS: Now he's going to interrupt me.


GUTFELD: Hillary has not come to this close to this kind of mature, political vetting. You maybe you have 15 candidates up there, but at least we all know what we're getting into, unlike 2008, where nobody kicked Obama's tires.

WILLIAMS: Well I think this came across as a republican echo chamber on Hillary. Oh, she's terrible. But you know what? The wild witch of the west is flying in.

GUILFOYLE: Come on, Juan.


GUILFOYLE: You know, don't be politically naive.

PERINO: You said it.


BOLLING: And you say we cut you off, Juan.


BOLLING: We got to go.

GUILFOYLE: Give him the little cow bell.

BOLLING: Much more to come on last night's debate, ahead. Including one of the most tense exchanges of the night, but before we go, a big hat-tip to the moderators of both debates yesterday. They did an outstanding job. Trish Regan, Sandra Smith and Gerald Seib of the Wall Street Journal, along with Neil Cavuto, Maria Bartiromo and the Journal's Gerard Baker. We'll be back in just a minute.


PERINO: Oh, the commercial breaks, they're the best. One of the biggest clashes of last night took place between Marco Rubio and Rand Paul, the two senators sparring over taxes and defense spending.


RUBIO: I know that Rand is a committed isolationist, I'm not. I believe the world is a stronger and a better place when the United States is the strongest military power in the world.


PAUL: Marco, how is it conservative, how is it conservative to add a trillion dollar expenditure for the federal government that you're not paying for. How is it conservative.


PAUL: How is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditures? You cannot be conservative if you're going to keep promoting new programs that you're not going to pay for?

RUBIO: Can I respond?



RUBIO: We can't even have an economy if we're not safe. There are radical jihadists in the Middle East beheading people and crucifying Christians. A radical Shia cleric in Iran trying to get a nuclear weapon.


RUBIO: The Chinese taking over the South China Sea. Yes, I believe the world is a safer -- no, no, I don't believe. I know that the world is a safer and better place when America is the strongest military power on the -- in the world.


PERINO: Senator Ted Cruz also weighed in on that debate saying there's middle ground.


CRUZ: You think defending this nation is expensive? Try not defending it. That's a lot more expensive, but you can do that and pay for it. You can do that and also be fiscally responsible.


PERINO: I thought that was one of Ted Cruz's best moments of the night. This is one of your favorite topics -- national security.

GUTFELD: Yeah, you know that was -- in my opinion, that was the best line of the night, what Cruz had said. And I -- and it was -- it didn't seem like it was prepared. It was just sincere. And what Rubio says is correct. This is why it keeps going back, this is the Cuban sandwich. Because I mean, when Rubio said -- no it's true. What I've said before, one terrorist attack, erases off the front page any kind of economic news. And the most important topic, I believe, in the economy is future attacks, married to technology by non-state actors. It's not about China. It's not about Russia. It's about a group of people who now can do whatever they want whenever they want, and we have to really think about that. If that makes you a liberal by having a huge military, then I'm a big liberal. But I think that in order to be a conservative, you have to protect the freedom and the values that make you a conservative because people hate you. People hate the west. So if you want to be conservative or libertarian for the rest of your life, be a liberal when it comes to spending money on the military.

PERINO: But what was Cruz was saying Eric, was that -- it's not -- this is not a zero-sum gain that you can be a conservative and say, OK, we need to be smarter about some of our spending and where we're investing, but that doesn't mean that we should not do that kind of investing.

BOLLING: And I think you're right. Cruz kind of bridged that gap.


BOLLING: Between Rubio and Rand, but what Rand did was basically -- Rand has been trying to get some traction and he hasn't really, frankly, he hasn't been getting much traction. So what he did last night, I think is when he went back to the base. He went right back to small government, even if it means cutting the military, cutting a dollar and mandatory spending. Make sure one of them is equal with the military spending in that cut. So he went there, I think he actually resonated with the people who wanted to follow Rand, who couldn't. However, Ted Cruz sounded like what you would, as a conservative who is concerned about our safety and terror. The right, the more, I don't know, the palatable way to go. So spend what you need to spend to keep yourself safe. Just keep your government small.

PERINO: One of the things they didn't do, Kimberly.


PERINO: Was actually, tie the economy, like having a strong and growing economy is the best way to help pay for a strong national defense. I didn't feel like that was that they actually connected the dots there.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Just -- so all the commercials that run for Jeb Bush showing him speak in the town halls say just that. Having a strong military is necessary for the U.S. economy, as well as for our position of national security and strength. The two do go hand in hand. And that's what needs to be pointed out to detractors that are trying to make excessive cuts in military spending and defense. You cannot do that. It trickles down, it has an effect on all of it, and you have to tie the two together and make that case. And you can do it in a sentence or two and do it powerfully, so the people understand the message and the importance of it. That it isn't just like neocons recklessly trying to spend. It's about dollars and cents. It's about the American paycheck. It's about the American wallet and our safety and security here and abroad.

WILLIAMS: Wait a second, wait a second. I'm sorry. I just got so confused.


WILLIAMS: I watched the debate last night.

GUILFOYLE: What else.

WILLIAMS: And in the debate last night, what I heard was Marco Rubio saying, "Oh, you know, I want to rearrange the tax system so that we give an exemption or a rebate to families because I love families. But i also want to increase, hike up defense spending." Rand Paul says, "Hey, wait a second. You're doing both at one time? That's a contradictory message and you're going to blow up the economy." I thought Rand Paul was on target. I know it wasn't popular with conservatives. But guess what? I thought he spoke the truth.

GUILFOYLE: He's talking about fiscal responsibility, but there's also ways to cut reckless spending in other areas to help balance it out.


WILLIAMS: Oh, you don't think there's any reckless spending at the Pentagon?

PERINO: No, you can't -- I think that's what Ted Cruz was saying, you could do that. But I do think Eric that, but Juan makes a point that all of them are vulnerable on a couple of points which is.

BOLLING: Oh, yeah.

PERINO: How do you show that you can do your tax plan with cutting without having to raise taxes somewhere else, or how do you actually make this math work? That is a challenge.

BOLLING: I have a challenge to all of them in fact. I've read every single one of their tax plans. And the only way any of them work is about 4 percent growth rate. We haven't seen 4 percent growth in about six years. So, anything sub-4 percent, you're going to have a ton of debt. So I -- that's something that they will all have --but the good news is by the way, very quickly, five weeks until the next debate. And we're probably going to look at, maybe national security next time.

GUTFELD: That I hope so.

GUILFOYLE: But you know why everybody did so well, because the way this debate was conducted with the extra time, it was dignified. They're able to get to substantive issues, that's credit to Fox honestly, and to the moderators, because the take-away today from all the different camps, and supporters. They feel their guy or Carly did well in terms of getting the issues out there.


BOLLING: She was smart.


GUILFOYLE: Even Politico had an article about Jeb Bush saying his supporters are happy.

GUTFELD: If you're going to spend money on something that is created by the government, at least spend it on something you know that works. The only thing that really works is the military, because it has to work. And it's, if it doesn't work, people die. So we know, at least I want, I want my tax money to go to something that I know actually is productive.

PERINO: You want to be able to check the box for where you want your money to go.

GUTFELD: I would love to do that.

GUILFOYLE: I would love it.

PERINO: All right, ahead.

GUILFOYLE: They can do it.

PERINO: You've been waiting for this. The Missouri media professor, who tried to block the press from covering the protest on her campus, won't be teaching there anymore, Greg, on that development and more, next.

GUILFOYLE: By the way, it's good.


GUTFELD: You remember Melissa Click, that University of Missouri -- whatever, caught on tape threatening a reporter covering a protest.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm media. Can I talk to you?

MELISSA CLICK, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI: No, you need to get out. You need to get out.


CLICK: You need to get out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I actually don't.

CLICK: All right. Hey, who wants to help me get this reporter out of here? I need some muscle over here!


GUTFELD: She reminds me of that prop comic.

Anyway, she resigned her courtesy appointment with the school, which raises a question: What is a courtesy appointment? And who is it being courteous to? She seems as courteous as a hemorrhoid.

So how did this start? Well, a swastika appeared on a bathroom wall -- a murky incident, much like many hate crimes, which often end up as hoaxes. There were two other incidents causing students to demand safe spaces from the press that they seek. It's a blooming onion of idiocy.


CLICK: You need to back up. Respect the students. Back up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am a student.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey hey! Ho ho! Reporters have got to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey hey, ho ho, reporters have got to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey hey, ho ho, reporters have got to go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You think it's funny. You've got to move.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the First Amendment that protects your right to stand here and protects mine.

I've a job to do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't care about your job.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have a right to live and get an education and have a life to live. Please leave.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These are more students who are asking you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're pushing me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's our right to walk forward.


GUTFELD: Someone should hire that reporter.


GUTFELD: How odd that protests used to be about free expression, but now it's about silencing it. Stalin must be smiling.

Now, all this led to a boycott by the school's 4-5 football team. But you want to bet they wouldn't have boycott if they were 9-0? I guess it's easy to be celibate when you're homely.

And there's the student hunger striker, yakking about white privilege. But his pop's an executive who made eight million bucks last year. How's that for privilege?

But the students won. Mizzou's president, Tim Wolfe, resigned, an example of a cowardly implosion, when faced with the intolerant mob. They deserve each other. I'm thinking, if they want a space that's free of free speech, why not give them one? Segregate the wise from the witless. And since their skillset is petulant obsession, these idiots will ultimately turn on each other. It will be "Lord of the Flies," just dumber.


GUTFELD: We've been discussing, what did she resign from? Eric, did she resign from an actual job?

BOLLING: I think she's still a professor. I think she was teaching in the communications department. She had an honorary title in the media department.

WILLIAMS: In the journalism school.

BOLLING: In the journalism school, I'm sorry. So she gave that up for obvious reasons.


BOLLING: No. 1, the First Amendment that she was clearly trying to violate there. By the way, the same First Amendment that allows the protesters to be there, she was trying to use against the student journalist.

Day three now, and I'm still waiting for Juan to come up with something besides the questionable swastika incident and one racial word thrown at one of the leaders of the black caucus. One instance got two people fired. As far as I know, I haven't read any more, but feel free to enlighten me.

WILLIAMS: I didn't even mention the swastika yesterday. But I mean, to me -- like you're -- no, I think you're trying to minimize the complaint coming from the black students.

But I'm going to just tell you something. It's Jewish students. It was graduate students. It was the people in the Missouri legislature. It was the governor. All said, "You know what? The leadership at this school is failing."

And then the black kids said, "Even when we tried to get access to the president, you know, someone to talk to, say, 'Listen, we're having problems.'"

GUTFELD: They wouldn't talk to him.

WILLIAMS: "'We don't feel safe on this campus...'"

BOLLING: "I'm not going to eat."

GUTFELD: They wouldn't talk to him.

WILLIAMS: Well, that's right. They had...


GUTFELD: Can I just -- I have a stack here.

BOLLING: The kid that wanted white privilege to be announced [SIC], his father made eight million bucks?

GUTFELD: Yes. It's incredible.

GUILFOYLE: He's a railroad executive.

GUTFELD: Let's inject some common sense in here. This is a stack of complaints about -- that have occurred in schools in the last years that have to do with hate crimes. Each one of these cases turned out to be a hoax. I stopped counting them. But there are dozens of them. And when you hear about these things and there's no way to prove them, Kimberly...


GUTFELD: ... and people resign, it's -- it's a farce.

GUILFOYLE: Well, because perception becomes reality. But it's basically a fraud that's happening. Because they say, "Oh, well, this happened, this happened." And then, "OK, well, now I'm going to stand in solidarity," because no one does their homework to actually investigate what the facts are. And it becomes like rumor and innuendo and speculation.

WILLIAMS: You guys are just trying to minimize this. Remember, 19 different...

GUILFOYLE: No, we're trying to get to the facts.

GUTFELD: No. We're maximizing lies. It's a lie to go after it. By the way...

WILLIAMS: What lie? What lie? I'm telling you -- 19...

GUTFELD: You know out of 37,000 -- OK, 37,000 students. There are maybe three incidents, if they are real. That is -- it's not an endemic problem, Juan.

WILLIAMS: If that's the way you define the problem, I would agree with you, Greg. But that's not the reality. So what you're doing is...


GUTFELD: ... facts.

WILLIAMS: I'm saying to you, when you get 19 deans at the school saying, "We don't support not only the president, but the chancellor," something is wrong in that environment.

GUTFELD: Yes. It's called cowardice.

WILLIAMS: No, it's...

GUTFELD: They are cowards.

WILLIAMS: How about they're looking out for themselves.

GUTFELD: They were scared of being called bigots.

WILLIAMS: I don't think that that was just about race here.

GUTFELD: We are in a situation here where, if you don't agree with activists, you are called a bigot. All of those administrators have folded, because they were scared.

GUILFOYLE: Under pressure.

WILLIAMS: This is not just about race. And that's -- that's what I think you guys are missing.


WILLIAMS: It's about bad leadership at the school.

GUTFELD: I agree. I agree with that.

Let's get Dana in here. What I love about this, there are two great things about it. You actually see the culmination of identity politics, where the administrators and the students devour each other, and everybody gets to watch.

PERINO: Yes, your "Lord of the Flies" reference is a good one. For example, last night on the debate when Marco Rubio talked about welders and philosophers, now there's even a debate about that. But what he could have said, actually, is welders and then people who study things like what she was teaching in her courtesy class, involving, like, "Fifty Shades of Gray."


PERINO: "The Impact of Social Media and Fans' Relationship with Lady Gaga." Because that's really going to help you in life.

Here's another thing. Can I just say on the low information student voter issue, the graduate students are furious. What were they furious about? They were mad because their healthcare costs were being no longer being covered by the university. Why is that, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Because of the Affordable Care Act.

PERINO: Right. So it's President Obama's fault.


PERINO: Pelosi -- it's in the bill. No Republican voted for it. So I guess that's...

GUILFOYLE: See the gross campaign of misinformation? That's what's so ridiculous.

PERINO: My point is -- my point is...

WILLIAMS: They reinstated it later. Whose fault was it then?

PERINO: The reason I point that out is that the grievances are out of proportion with the results of what happened.

GUILFOYLE: That's what she was saying.

WILLIAMS: You know, I agree...

GUILFOYLE: You're saying; you're saying; I'm saying.

WILLIAMS: I agree with your argument about free speech. And what's going on at Yale and elsewhere, an abomination. But don't ignore people who tell you something's racial or something...

GUILFOYLE: But it has to be real. It has to be real. It has to be based on some actual fact. Something that really happened.

GUTFELD: Is President Obama guilty of white privilege? I don't know.

Anyway, I love the idea that they're creating sanctuary cities that ban free speech. That's incredible.

All right. Up next, Hillary Clinton doesn't understand why the V.A. scandal is such a big deal. We'll try to clear things up for her on this Veterans Day ahead.


GUILFOYLE: Today is Veterans Day, when we pause to honor the brave men and women who have served this great nation. Disappointingly, Hillary Clinton chose the eve of the holiday to play politics with our vets.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: As we work to improve the V.A., I will fight as long as and as hard as it takes, to prevent Republicans from privatizing it as part of a misguided ideological crusade. Privatization is a betrayal, plain and simple, and I'm not going to let it happen.


GUILFOYLE: False. One prominent veteran, Republican Senator John McCain, thinks it's shameful that Hillary politicized this the day before Veterans Day. And by the way, Hillary doesn't think this V.A. scandal is a big deal at all.


CLINTON: Nobody would believe that from the coverage that you see. And the constant berating of the V.A. that comes from the Republicans, in part in pursuit of this ideological agenda.

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC ANCHOR: But in part because there has been real scandal.

CLINTON: There has been, but it's not been as widespread as it has been made out to be.


GUILFOYLE: Wow. Rachel?

PERINO: Wow. Well, I mean, at least there's a follow-up question. I think that the veterans would disagree, and the members of Congress on both sides of the aisle would disagree with her. And this is one of the things, I think, that happens when you're out on the trail as the only Democrat, and you have no competition. I think that that's a real risk for her, actually.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I mean, what -- who told her that was a good idea, to do that? I mean, I think it plays very poorly for her, indeed -- Eric.

BOLLING: I think I was listening to Ben Carson this morning who actually had a very good idea on the V.A. If a vet is waiting for health care, and it's more than seven days, if I'm not mistaken -- I think he said seven days -- he can go, or he or she can go to a private hospital.

GUILFOYLE: Get, like, a voucher.

BOLLING: Just get health care, and then the government will pay for it. And watch how fast the Veterans Administration fixes that, because that will cost them a lot more.

I should point out, 22 million vets in America. We really need to be spending more time on this issue.

WILLIAMS: I would say quickly that, in fact, the polls have shown historically that veterans are very pleased with the V.A. system. And I think that's what she was trying to say. The veterans actually have a higher percentage of veterans who say, "We get good medical service" than the rest of America.

PERINO: That's true.

WILLIAMS: And that's what she was trying to say.

GUTFELD: But I don't know if that...

GUILFOYLE: That's not what she said at all. You have some bizarre, like, interpretive machine that, like, changes it completely.

WILLIAMS: No, no. I think -- I think she said it's -- there are problems, and there have been scandals, especially with the backlog of appointments, but it's not a widespread indictment of the entire V.A. system.

BOLLING: All right.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Yes.

GUTFELD: The point here has nothing to do with vets. She -- she is interested in protecting government. She was accusing Republicans of privatization. She was attacking their idea of government. She wasn't saying it was bad for the vets. She was saying it was bad for the government. She was protecting the blob of bureaucracy. She didn't care about the vets.

And why is privatization a dirty word? If you compare anything public to private...

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: ... whether it's a public-to-private bathroom, public-to-private transportation, public-to-private nudity, private always wins.

GUILFOYLE: Private does it better.

WILLIAMS: Yes. What happens when the V.A. has experts on the kind of injuries that our veterans suffer in battle?

GUTFELD: What happens when people die waiting for treatment?


WILLIAMS: No, no. They have great experts who deal with, you know, traumatic brain injury and the like.

GUTFELD: Of course. Work in the private sector. Some -- many of them do, actually.

WILLIAMS: Not as many.

PERINO: But both things -- but you guys, both things can be true. Eric was saying -- what Dr. Carson was saying this morning, and Eric was reporting on that, that you can actually figure out a way to make the system work better for everybody. For example, if you live in a very rural area, and you can't make it to the specialist who lives four states away, can you get a voucher to get, at least, care until you can get there? Yes, that's common sense.

BOLLING: Public/private partnership.


GUILFOYLE: All right. Somebody tell Hillary Clinton vets' lives matter.

Next, social media reaction to last night's debate. What was the most talked-about moment? We'll tell you, next.



SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: ... a safer and a better place when the United States is the strongest military power in the world.

SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: How is it conservative to add $1 trillion in military expenditures?


WILLIAMS: That moment you just saw right there between Marco Rubio and Rand Paul? The most talked-about one of the entire debate on Facebook.

We've got some other Facebook trends from last night. Ben Carson was the top candidate discussed on the social network, followed by Trump, Paul, Cruz, and Fiorina.

And the top issues discussed? Taxes, immigration, minimum wage, jobs, and health care.

Explain to me, Kimberly, why is it that Ben Carson, the No. 1 most- discussed candidate among women on Facebook, but Rand Paul gets that among men?

GUILFOYLE: Ha, I don't -- I mean, you would have me talking about Ben, and you would have dudes talking about Rand. That makes perfect sense to me. You're asking me to clarify this?

WILLIAMS: I thought -- I thought...

GUILFOYLE: I'm the one that called him McDreamy.

WILLIAMS: All right. You got me.

GUILFOYLE: Because I think women feel that he has a sensitive, understanding approach, that he's empathetic. That he listens. That he's careful, you know, what he says, what he does.

WILLIAMS: There are...


GUILFOYLE: I mean honestly, he's a man of faith. So I think that, yes, you have a lot of people from Iowa that are supporting him for that reason. Evangelicals. And they're very passionate about their candidates, so then they take to social media to spread the word.

WILLIAMS: All right. So I know you love tweet -- tweeting, Mr. Twitter.


WILLIAMS: And it says the No. 1 tweet subject was when Ted Cruz said Washington is fundamentally corrupt. Surprised?

BOLLING: I'm -- I don't really think any of these are very accurate. Look at the topic. Top issue: taxes and immigration, minimum wage. Immigration and minimum wage. Those topics were hit and kind of brought out and talked about quite a bit. But taxes, they kind of hit it and quit it. How did that end up being No. 1?

Ben Carson, OK, No. 1. I mean, I don't -- who knows? I'm not sure how they compile this stuff.

WILLIAMS: What do you think?

PERINO: I think that Facebook is an excellent partner, because I don't -- This is really, I think, the first election -- maybe you could say, maybe the last one. But this one you have more people engaged on Facebook than ever. And people are getting their information in very different ways.

And something I'm very interested in is how we have three distinct generations voting in this election. Millennials, Generation X and Baby Boomers. They all see the world in very different ways. One of the things they all have in common is Facebook. And maybe millennials a little bit less on the Facebook front.

But I also think it's interesting to look at where were the most engaged states that Facebook picked up? And it was Virginia, New Hampshire and Maryland. I think Virginia and Maryland, because actually, that's where people, a lot of people engaged in politics. They work in government. But New Hampshire was the No. 2 one.

Who does that help? Anybody who has a really strong social media presence in that state actually does very well. And I would tell you that Ben Carson, excellent on social media in terms of the targeted, pinpointed discussion and conversation of his supporters.

GUILFOYLE: A lot of young people, too.

WILLIAMS: Greg, you think...

GUILFOYLE: I can't believe Rubio wasn't on either of those lists.

WILLIAMS: He didn't get it, no.

GUILFOYLE: That, I thought, was the surprising aspect.

WILLIAMS: Maybe people were impressed, but they weren't moved. They weren't talking about it. So I want to ask you if you gave this any seriousness, the fact that we now talk about politics in terms of social media footprint.

GUTFELD: Well, it shows the difference between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is for ripping, and Facebook is for response. So Twitter is your bathroom wall. Facebook is your water cooler. And almost all the time -- it doesn't really predict anything. It's just after the fact, what people talk about. I don't care.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but if you put somebody down...

GUILFOYLE: And Cruz has...


GUILFOYLE: Cruz has a good social media presence.

WILLIAMS: All right.

GUILFOYLE: And I think the lesson is Marco needs to step that up.

WILLIAMS: Step it up. All right. We're going to step it up. "One More Thing" is coming up. Stay with us.


BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing" -- K.G.

GUILFOYLE: And on this Veterans Day, I want to thank personally the men and women that serve and especially those that are near and dear and close to my heart and to the FOX family.

U.S. Navy SEALs Jocko Willink and Lake Fabin (ph). Marcus and Morgan Luttrell. Rob O'Neill. We can show him. Pete Scobell. Also Navy SEAL.

And then we have retired four-star Army General Jack Keane, one of our very favorites here. And another one of our own -- you see him on "Outnumbered," in fact today you did -- Army National Guard Pete Hegseth.

And who can forget John McCain, who spent five and a half years in captivity as a POW in North Vietnam?

And there you have my father-in-law, Bob Villency, representing U.S. Army; and my father...

PERINO: Aw, sweet.

GUILFOYLE: ... Tony Guilfoyle.

Thank you for all of you who put it on the line every day to keep this country safe and strong.

BOLLING: All right. Dana, you're up.

PERINO: Veterans Day was celebrated all across the country, including in Dallas, Texas, where there was an Oval Office replica. It's actually at the Bush Center, and the Military Service Initiative that's part of the Bush Center invited many veterans to come and get a tour this morning, and then they got a surprise from their former commander-in-chief.



Thank you all. Happy Veterans Day. It's a day for us all to thank you for your service.


PERINO: And he spent some time with them, which is great.

And if you are a vet or a family that has service in your background, the Military Service Initiative, as part of the, is a great one. Check it out in case you need some help.

BOLLING: All righty. Greg, you're up.

GUTFELD: Time for...


GUTFELD: Greg's Man Bun News.


GUTFELD: As you know, I hate man buns. But I think I figured out a way to end it forever. You can now order a fake man bun and wear it; and I think we have it right here.

Why is this great? Well, if everyone wears a fake man bun, it will flood the market so nobody knows which one is a real man bun or a fake man bun, like -- it's like counterfeit $100 bills. You flood the market, and you kill the economy. Let's kill the man bun economy by everybody wearing a fake man bun.

GUILFOYLE: Are you going to?

BOLLING: All right. I will if you will.

GUTFELD: Let's wear them tomorrow.

BOLLING: We've got to order them.

PERINO: Please, please, do that, please.

BOLLING: OK, I'm up. Very quick. Last night, I said Snapchat me your pictures that you were taking during the debate. Check them out very quick. There's the first one, pre-debate. The second one, GOP debate on FBN.

Go to the third one. Watching the debate with our college kids with the laptops open. That's perfect. No. 4, my man Ted Cruz. Go.

And No. 5, this one's great: he's so awkward it's almost cute. That's Jeb there.

And how about this one: Trump is drinking Mexican beer. Do you get it? The funniest one of them all.

Juan, you're up.

WILLIAMS: No, I don't have enough time. I just want to mention this is an interesting news development that yesterday the New York state attorney general ordered DraftKings and FanDuel to stop accepting bets from New York. Fantasy sports, oh, gee, not so fun -- fun anymore.

BOLLING: We've got to leave it right there. Special thanks to all the brave men and women who have served our country this Veterans Day. "Special Report" next.

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