This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 6, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Geraldo Rivera, Tucker Carlson, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
Last week, some of the hosts at The View said some mean things about Carly Fiorina's face during the CNBC debate. The presidential candidate challenged them to say those words to her face if she returned to the program. She just did and here's what happened.
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WHOOPI GOLDBERG, THE VIEW SHOW CO-HOST: You were a little upset with us about a comic comment that was made.
CARLY FIORINA, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hey, if you meant your comment about my face being demented in a Halloween mask as humorous, so be it. I guess you misinterpreted Donald Trump's comments about my face and thought those weren't human.
JOY BEHAR, THE VIEW SHOW CO-HOST: I'm not defended you against Donald Trump's comments, but we are comedians here. I mix on of Hillary's pantsuits and Hillary's husband's sex life. I don't understand why any politician is exempt from my comedic jokes.
FIORINA: You know what, Joy. You can say whatever you want. You always have, you always will.
BEHAR: That's right.
FIORINA: I'm not gonna stop that. I'm not gonna stop that, and don't worry, I have skin, plenty thick enough to take whatever people throw at me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: Then, they tried to accuse Fiorina of capitalizing on the controversy, but Carly fired right back.
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GOLDBERG: Having watched some of the press that you've garnered, based on this fake feud with The View, I'm a little taken aback.
FIORINA: I think The View garnered a lot of publicity over this feud as well. I think that's why you have me on your show at the top of the hour.
GOLDBERG: Actually no, we haven't put on any.
PAULA FARIS, THE VIEW SHOW CO-HOST: I know you used the unfortunate situation with Donald Trump to your benefit. You know you're making lemonade out of lemons and you're using the feud with The View, as well as part of your fundraising campaign, there's a video that's going out. But you're clearly trying to make lemonade out of lemons here, aren't you?
FIORINA: Oh, so you're telling me that you guys are lemons?
FARIS: No. I'm just saying.
FIORINA: I thought you said I shouldn't be offended.
FARIS: That is funny, actually.
BEHAR: Very good, very good.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: My God. The commentary, while that was playing. All right, so let's take it around the table. How did it go, how do you score it, Tucker?
TUCKER CARLSON, GUEST CO-HOST: Well, I mean. I think Carly Fiorina is the most articulate person I've ever seen running for president. Every single word is the exact word she intends to use. I think she's fantastic. A lot of women don't like her, very noticeable.
GUILFOYLE: I like her.
CARLSON: Yeah. Well, good for you. You're -- I think an anomaly. I mean, there is something about her.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: How dare you.
CARLSON: No, I mean. Women are there --
GERALDO RIVERA, CO-HOST: Do you think they don't like her because she's --
CARLSON: I don't know why. I think it's bizarre.
GUTFELD: I don't know what anomaly is.
GUILFOYLE: You don't know what anomaly is?
CARLSON: But clearly, they just don't like her personally. I said -- I thought she made a fantastic job.
RIVERA: I've been made fun of on The View. You've got to get over it.
CARLSON: Well, I have.
RIVERA: It's a comedy show.
CARLSON: It's not a -- Joy Behar saying, "I'm a comedian" was the most untrue thing ever uttered on that show.
RIVERA: Why? She is a comedian.
GUTFELD: I've had funny of thousands of diarrhea.
RIVERA: Funny about of diarrhea.
GUTFELD: No, but.
GUTFELD: Can I.
GUILFOYLE: Today, in fact.
GUTFELD: This excuse. We're all comedians. Even if they were comedians, that's -- you don't get a carve-out because you do that for a living. Everybody on this planet should have a carve-out to make a joke. Just because you have the title comedian doesn't make it different. She -- and Joy, she's not a comedian. She's a walking car alarm. It's just this constant shrill.
GUTFELD: And by the way, watching that thing, it was like just a pile of chaos. When they're talking and they're all piling over each other trying to get their words in and that woman at the end, who admits, "Oh, that's funny" as though she's the arbiter of humor. There was no proof.
RIVERA: How many times have you made fun of Hillary Clinton?
GUTFELD: Many times.
GUTFELD: But you know what I won't do? I won't say I'm a comedian.
GUILFOYLE: You never have.
GUTFELD: Because I'm not a comedian, I'm a writer.
CARLSON: But here's the difference, actually. When you mock Hillary Clinton you are perceived to be attacking all women. And yet, when you attack Carly Fiorina, it's fair because you're attacking one woman.
CARLSON: That's why I object.
RIVERA: That may be true.
CARLSON: It is true.
RIVERA: And I don't, in any way, dispute the fact that maybe a double- standard. But I do believe that you have to have a thick skin when you run for office.
RIVERA: My goodness.
GUILFOYLE: I do think she does have it.
RIVERA: And she got plenty oppress out of that video.
GUTFELD: Are you saying she has thick skin? That's disgusting.
CARLSON: Only her dermatologist knows.
GUILFOYLE: oh my goodness. And listen, she faced them and I think that was impressive too, because it was a little bit of a ganging up situation there, but The View hosts also clashed -- Dana, you wanna go.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: No, I'm not an activist.
GUILFOYLE: OK, prefect -- also clashed at Fiorina over abortion and Planned Parenthood. Let's take a look at that.
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BEHAR: It seems to me that you are against programs that let women make choices for their lives.
FIORINA: That is the litany of the left. That the only way you can be pro- woman is to agree with the left's prescriptions for women. Whether you're a pro-choice or pro-life, the majority of Americans are horrified by the reality that we're harvesting baby parts. The majority.
GOLDBERG: I need to stop you. That is not.
FIORINA: Whoopi, I'm sorry, you.
GOLDBERG: You know that's not true.
FIORINA: You ask me a question.
GOLDBERG: Carly, you know no one is harvesting baby parts.
FIORINA: Well, that's interesting. It's interesting that Planned Parenthood just announced that they were no longer going to take compensation for that. So, I guess.
GOLDBERG: They were not harvesting baby parts.
FIORINA: Here's my point.
BEHAR: That offends my sensibility to hear you say something like that. When you know it's not true.
GOLDBERG: Because you guys.
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GUILFOYLE: OK. So it's big factual dispute there. She's saying this is what's happening.
PERINO: So many blind splats -- blind splats -- blind spots on this whole story about Planned Parenthood. Carly is right that Planned Parenthood, eventually, I mean, was about four weeks ago is those several months after this controversy started, did on a Friday afternoon say, oh yeah, by the way, we're not going to take payment for that any more. Carly is right. And I think the problem for me on this whole thing has been that, you can be a woman, and be pro-life. It should be an acceptable thing to be.
PERINO: Should be able to say, I believe that life begins at conception and say that that is respectful things. I think what the problem is, is that, immediately, if I say I believe that life begins at conception, then they think that my next step is, therefore, I'm going to overturn Roe V. Wade as president. That's not what Carly Fiorina is saying and I think that, it's kind of got lost there. I sort of wish that she had been on set because I think that everybody would have been better served. If you're sitting there with the people, and I don't know what the circumstance was, maybe she couldn't travel to New York today to be there, but I think that would have helped everybody.
GUILFOYLE: I agree.
PERINO: And I think that would have been a better conversation for women everywhere because there are many women who also -- who believe that life does begin at conception or they are concerned about the Planned Parenthood videos, which do exist and they are real.
RIVERA: And you know this is also a tough town for a conservative woman who is pro-life. I'm born and raised here. The norm here is that you're pro- choice that the liberal philosophies rule. And it is a very difficult thing for a conservative woman to come and espouse ideas that are alien to those.
PERINO: And usually what happened.
RIVERA: They're very sincere, the hosts of The View.
PERINO: But -- usually what happens is that conservative women just choose to be quiet. So you just -- you fade to the background. Carly Fiorina is not a shrinking violet, and I think it kind of surprises some people.
CARLSON: Well, most American women agree with Carly Fiorina on the question of Planned Parenthood issue.
CARLSON: This is not a mystery. We have the polling on it. I mean she's in the overwhelming majority of Americans in a small group of deeply, personally unhappy people.
RIVERA: I don't know that.
CARLSON: Tend to have -- well look at the polling on, do you think the majority of American women support most American videos.
RIVERA: The majority of Americans support Roe V. Wade, I know that.
CARLSON: That's a different question.
PERINO: But that's the same -- that's actually my point.
CARLSON: The atrocity of those Planned Parenthood videos, no normal person could watch those and say yeah, that's OK. You can't.
GUTFELD: You know, but --
CARLSON: That's impossible.
GUTFELD: I don't think that -- the problem isn't just The View, though, its audiences. It's their studio audience. It's often -- you often see this with like Bill Maher and also -- old Jon Stewart days. It's an audience that would applaud a root canal. So they had -- they have the certain kind of blind spot where they cannot self-examine their own biases. Because no matter what they say, like clapping seals, they will clap at anything, even when they lose an argument to Carly Fiorina, they still clap, but they don't even know what they're clapping for. They just know there's an applause sign.
RIVERA: Fiorina, but it's not root canal. They would applaud a conservative having a car crash.
GUTFELD: Yes, that's -- yes.
RIVERA: They -- it's not about root canal. They are so ideological.
RIVERA: And they are so automatic in their responses.
RIVERA: Even Bill Maher is sometimes frustrated.
GUTFELD: That's true.
RIVERA: By their predictability.
GUTFELD: That's true.
PERINO: The other thing that was sort of strange about this whole thing is I thought it was great when they defended Carly Fiorina against Donald Trump's attack about her face. The thing is it's that hard then as a double standard, then -- for them then to make fun of her face and say, "Well, we're just comedians." I mean, how that is different?
RIVERA: Men can't do it and women can?
PERINO: I think that the whole thing could have been avoided. And I think The View actually attracts a good audience for conservatives, if you get a chance to be on, to go and to actually make your case. That's why I think it would have been better to have done it in person.
RIVERA: O'Reilly handles.
RIVERA: Magnificently when he goes on.
PERINO: But I think it is.
GUTFELD: He has a beautiful face.
GUTFELD: Have you seen his face? It's gorgeous.
RIVERA: He's a dog.
GUILFOYLE: Well, so weird. OK, now, to another liberal media attack on a republican candidate. Ben Carson is convinced the CNN has ulterior motives by questioning accounts of his past regarding violent acts he committed as a teen.
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MEGYN KELLY, THE KELLY FILE SHOW HOST: You feel like this is the beginning, Dr. Carson, the beginning of some in the media, trying to end your candidacy?
BEN CARSON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yeah, it's a smear campaign.
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GUILFOYLE: He confronted the network directly and asked why CNN didn't do the same kind of, quote, "investigative reporting on President Obama when he ran for office."
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CARSON: This is a bunch of lies. That is what it is, a bunch of lies. I think it's pathetic. One of the tactics that is used by you guys in the media, particularly when someone is doing very well is let's find a way to get them distracted and get all the people distracted, so that we can get away from the real issues.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN NEW DAY CO-HOST: Dr. Carson, I know you call this tactics. It's called vetting in politics. You know it well just from the short time that you've been involved with these campaigns.
CARSON: Is that's what's done with the current president? Is that what you guys did with him?
CAMEROTA: Oh, yes. As a matter of fact, it.
CARSON: No, you did not. Give me a break.
CARSON: It doesn't even come close to it. You guys are trying to do in my case.
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GUILFOYLE: OK, so this is one strategy and approach to confront it directly, which I like. Get out there and say this is what you guys are doing. Stand up for yourself before you lose time -- Tucker?
CARLSON: It's my 25th year of covering politics. I've never seen a presidential candidate trying to convince the media that he stabbed a friend and went after his mother with a hammer.
CARLSON: It's just never happen before. It's kind of a remarkable moment.
GUILFOYLE: Write it down, yeah.
CARLSON: I thought Carson did fine, though it is sort of difficult to simultaneously argue that the press should have vetted the current president more, but shouldn't vet me more. Of course it is with inbounds to ask question about his biography. He's running in large part on his biography. There was a Politico piece today that was ludicrous and crossed the line and was silly. In fact, it's been changed. I think about 15 years ago.
CARLSON: They walked it back in it they said, Carson and his campaign admitted they quote, "fabricated this story about him getting admitted into west point." That's not at all -- at all, the case is what happened. It was a ludicrous story. But, I don't know, I think it's fair to ask questions about his background. Why wouldn't it be?
GUILFOYLE: Right. I think he's trying to point out the double standard, that you're coming after me, I'm a conservative candidate. You did not give the same scrutiny to a liberal.
RIVERA: What about the fact that he claims that he knifed the guy in the belly, and the only reason he didn't kill the guy was because it hit his belt buckle? What is this? Is this a movie (inaudible)? I'm the -- I'm probably the only person in this building who actually been stabbed and more street fights. Nobody gets stabbed.
GUTFELD: Sorry about that, Geraldo.
RIVERA: Nobody gets stabbed in the belt buckle. It only happens in fantasy. I mean, it is a story that's on its face, so improbable that he, he causes people to be skeptical. How important is that in the big picture, brilliant neurosurgeon, so measured, so intelligent, such a great role model? I don't know. People can judge. But it seems to me a preposterous tale. It's like Joseph built the pyramids to store grain. I'm sorry, but Joseph didn't build the pyramids, they were built by Egyptian monarchs to -- as their burial grounds. I mean, I -- one point, you have to say, it's not just about a guy who believes in the literal garden of Eden and the world being created in six days and on the seventh day, the Lord rested. It's more than that. It's about a person who is saying, I came from so far down that I was stabbing my friends in the belly and only a miracle saved my blade and allowed me to go on and become a great person.
GUTFELD: But the -- OK, the issue with those stories is they are -- perhaps, unprovable, their anecdotes from a long time ago. So if you don't know if they're truth or false.
RIVERA: Are you talking about Joseph and the pyramids?
GUTFELD: No, I'm talking about the stabbing -- and the violence. And it is part of the narrative that how is religion saved him. These are stories that may have been exaggerated -- may not have been exaggerated, we don't know. However, we do know that these stories pale in comparison to a friendship to Bill Ayers or a friendship to Reverend Wright, which largely unquestioned by CNN. I mean.
RIVERA: Oh come on.
GUTFELD: No, no. No, no. CNN.
RIVERA: We lived the Reverend Wright. I know him better than I know my own rabbi.
GUTFELD: CNN claims that Ben Carson is getting a pass on these stories. But if he's getting a pass, then President Obama got a full body massage from CNN because they, they.
GUTFELD: They avoided so many mysteries -- so many mysterious facts about President Obama that they let go. I hear you about some of these stories and people maybe they exaggerate. I would say they put a fresh paint -- fresh coat of paint on their stories to make it interesting to themselves. That could have been it. But they're on, you know, their anecdotes that can't be proven or unproven, so you let that go.
GUILFOYLE: But ultimately does it hurt Ben?
GUTFELD: But President Obama had a lot of things you could find out and nobody chose to chase it.
GUILFOYLE: Ultimately, does this hurt Ben Carson? What's your take?
GUTFELD: I don't think so. I think that the politico thing that Tucker mentioned helps him in a big way because Politico screwed that up really badly by saying that he fabricated something. And when you look -- I mean, I -- that story came out when I was that on outnumbered and I thought, oh, this was bad. And then, two hours later, I'm going -- I got tricked.
RIVERA: Me, too.
RIVERA: Me, too.
PERINO: Well, I think that -- if you are a republican in this particular election, and you're being attacked by the media, I don't necessarily think it hurts you when you actually can push, put it back on the media. The concern, though, for anybody that wants to run for office is that, if the first political office that you're going to seek is for the presidency, you have to understand that every news organization in America is going to donate resources or to vote resources, to looking into your background and they are hungry for any sort of story and Politico got ahead of themselves. But I think they can expect more of this to come. A lot of other candidates have been out there for a while. There's nothing new to really drudge up about them. When you -- when the first election that you run for is president of the United States, then you're open for a lot of scrutiny.
GUTFELD: You said drudge up.
PERINO: I did.
GUTFELD: You turned drudge into a verb.
PERINO: Can you do that?
GUTFELD: I -- you just did. That's pretty cool.
CARLSON: That's pretty awesome for the first time.
PERINO: Dredge? Drudge? Dredge?
GUILFOYLE: All right, you guys can celebrate together during the break, so cute, yehey (ph), best friends.
GUILFOYLE: All right, coming up. It's Facebook Friday -- Greg nailed it in. So post your questions now on facebook.com/thefivefnc.
And up next, some big news on the big debates on the Fox Business Network, Tuesday night. Don't go away.
PERINO: All right, welcome back to The Five. That was a funny commercial break. But we're going to turn now to the big announcement by the Fox Business Network on Tuesday night's GOP debates. The line-ups are set. The first debate at 7:00 p.m. eastern will be Christie, Huckabee, Santorum and Jindal, and at 9:00 p.m., Trump, Carson Rubio, Cruz, Bush, Hillary, Kasich and Paul. Where they are going to be huge events, you are not gonna want to miss it, there are four days away. Kimberly, do you have high expectations for this debate?
GUILFOYLE: I do. I'm actually really looking forward to it. I'm excited about it and I also feel it is gonna be a chance for the candidates to really get at the core substantive issues with the economy, the problems we're facing as a country. I want to hear what they have to say. What are their ideas for creating growth, for limiting government, for less regulation? And to do something about taxes and the IRS, I'm anxiously awaiting it.
PERINO: Tucker, do you think that this is a make-or-break debate for several of them. I mean, we're getting closer to the Iowa caucuses and anybody at risk?
CARLSON: Don't know. I mean, in general, we're moving toward a point where some of these guys are going to drop out. And a lot of these people have their independent constituencies. They have their independent donors. I think they could limp along. I think Huckabee will go -- will keep going. I think Christie, in particular, no matter what happens, has serve -- done himself a service in the last couple of months. I think people...
GUILFOYLE: I think it's great.
CARLSON: With a couple of months?
RIVERA: It is true. I do think that. I -- 10 days.
CARLSON: Maybe it's -- no. I think.
RIVERA: It is two great things, he did the debate and he did the heartfelt -- video.
CARLSON: Yeah, the video was good.
RIVERA: While they are being.
CARLSON: No, no. It was good, but the general affect has been appealing. They're obviously disappointed that they're not in the later debate, but he's handled it I think really well by saying, "It doesn't bother me at all."
CARLSON: Exactly right. Who doesn't like that? That's just an appealing posture, I think.
GUILFOYLE: It's very mature. It's a great attitude. He's really resonating and there -- he's quite popular in New Hampshire with the town halls that he's doing. His message is very good. And he's been working very hard. You see him out there all the time, so he.
PERINO: How can they be right on Tuesday?
GUILFOYLE: He has the money too.
GUTFELD: I would like -- I know that it is about jobs and it's about economics, but jobs and economics don't matter if your country is blown to pieces. And I have been thinking a lot about this and talking a lot about this, today, on Outnumbered. We have a plane that might have had an ISIS bomb on it. We have to talk about the NSA. We have to talk about surveillance. We have to talk about Intel. We have to -- we have to talk -- see whose side are you on in the world of surveillance. I want to know because I don't think Rand Paul deserves -- he can't be president in this climate, in the era of ISIS. So I -- this is why I'm kind of bummed that Lindsey Graham isn't up there because I think he's pretty good on that stuff. And Christie is great on it. And Marco Rubio is great on it. So I want to see some --I want to see this. How they feel about national security, because economic factors rely on your safety, on you being able to get to work. You can't get to work if your buildings gone.
RIVERA: I think that the biggest issue right now is heroin abuse. I want -- I think Chris Christie ironically.
PERINO: In the country? It's the biggest issue in New Hampshire.
RIVERA: The biggest issue in New Hampshire by the surveys.
GUTFELD: Well, that's true.
RIVERA: The heroin issues.
PERINO: This is a national debate.
RIVERA: It's a national debate, but you have to win in New Hampshire if you want to be president. It seems to me you got to be prepared. The only person I've heard really speak of it with great passion is Chris Christie.
PERINO: Well, I don't think that's fair Geraldo, at all. But first of all, the debates are based on national polls, not New Hampshire polls. He could be doing well in New Hampshire, but he if you're not doing well nationally, that's what happen.
RIVERA: I'm telling you that ISIS is important, the bombs and so forth, all of that stuff matters. The -- we are at 5 percent unemployment now. Jobs will not be the big issue that you thought it might be. I believe it will be domestic issues race and drug abuse, back to the old kind of nuts and bolts if we have a junkie population -- 50 overdose deaths.
CARLSON: But wait a second. Wait a second.
RIVERA: Fifty overdose deaths.
RIVERA: In Manchester, New Hampshire.
GUTFELD: But heroin doesn't.
GUTFELD: Since the first of the year.
GUTFELD: Heroin doesn't apply.
RIVERA: How many did ISIS kill in America?
GUTFELD: Heroin doesn't apply.
RIVERA: How many did ISIS kill in America?
GUTFELD: An individual makes their choice to abuse drugs. I don't make a choice when the guy.
RIVERA: Middle class children.
GUTFELD: Puts a bomb in a Boston marathon.
CARLSON: Both of the problems you all are noting stem from the same source.
CARLSON: And that is a volatile economy that leaves a lot of people out. You cited those unemployment numbers.
CARLSON: Forty-one percent of Americans are not working right now. That's the real number, 41 percent.
GUILFOYLE: That's huge.
CARLSON: And as to the question of which is more important, the economy or our defense? One is impossible without the other. We're a strong country because we're a rich country.
CARLSON: There's no other reason that we have the military we do.
PERINO: And one of the ways we are a strong country is to be.
CARLSON: Is impelled.
PERINO: A country that invests in its future and its energy. In fact, President Obama today, after stringing along the labor unions for many years, decided to nix the Keystone Pipeline today, here's his comments.
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BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: The Keystone Pipeline has occupied what I frankly consider an over-inflated role in our political discourse. America is now a global leader when it comes to taking serious action to fight climate change. And frankly, approving this project would have undercut that global leadership.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PERINO: So for years, President Obama played politics with this stringing along the labor unions, thinking they were actually -- at some point, going to be able to go forward with these jobs, but today Greg, John Kerry, the secretary of state, says, "How could we possibly expect other countries in the world to take action on climate if we're not willing to do it ourselves." But if we're not investing in our country, I mean, what kind of disservice is that? I'm actually dismayed by this. Not surprised, but dismayed.
GUTFELD: May I -- I'm not surprised either. Pipelines are the safest way to transport gas. It's safer than trucks or trains, but that doesn't help Warren Buffett, who runs the Burlington Northern Railroad, who happens to be a close friend of President Obama.
GUTFELD: There's two million miles of gas distribution pipeline everywhere. You have water.
RIVERA: We have so much oil in the United States.
RIVERA: We're squishing and black now.
GUTFELD: I just.
RIVERA: It's $40 a barrel now.
GUTFELD: Look, we use pipelines for water.
GUTFELD: For sewage, for gas, all -- for heating. Shall we just get rid of all of that and transport it by catapult?
GUILFOYLE: It is. I know.
CARLSON: The president choice to side with actual working people.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. And job.
CARLSON: Or 27 rich people on the Westside of L.A.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. You're absolutely right.
RIVERA: Obama is delaying on this. And he was dragging his feet, and not making a decision, worked for him serendipitously why? Because oil was $100 a barrel, now it's $40 a barrel. Gas was $4.50 a gallon. Now it's under $2 a gallon. I saw in New Jersey.
CARLSON: You're sucking up to.
RIVERA: Why do we need a pipeline?
GUILFOYLE: That' all it is. It's pandering.
RIVERA: With the sludge from Canada. When we have more oil than we need.
GUTFELD: We have millions of miles of pipeline everywhere. Why this one? It's a political maneuver.
GUILFOYLE: But according to Geraldo, we're squishing in the black stuff.
RIVERA: Well, we are.
GUILFOYLE: And we're a junkie population.
RIVERA: He works to sell the oil we have oil in the strategic petroleum reserve. He wants to sell (inaudible).
PERINO: It's just a really stupid idea.
RIVERA: I agree with that. That's a stupid idea.
PERINO: All right.
GUTFELD: Hey, agreement.
PERINO: OK, still ahead, Facebook Friday, but first, Donald Trump on his upcoming appearance on Saturday Night Live, and the controversy surrounding that.
TUCKER CARLSON: The soothing strains of "Grateful Dead" there. You say him there, Donald Trump, he's about to appear on "Saturday Night Live" tomorrow. He just gave Bill O'Reilly a preview of what to expect.
(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)
DONALD TRUMP: We're some bits that are I think going to be terrific.
BILL O'REILLY: OK, but did you knock out any bits that they brought to you?
TRUMP: Yes, I had too. There were a couple that were too risqu,.
O'REILLY: Too risqu,, wow!
TRUMP: Yes, too risqu,. Because, you know, the poll just came down. I'm leading in Iowa. I want to stay leading in Iowa.
O'REILLY: Right. Is this going to be funny? Is it worth staying up late?
TRUMP: I think some of it is going to be really great.
TRUMP: You know, it should be a great evening.
O'REILLY: All right.
(END VIDEO TAPE)
CARLSON: Bottom line, risqu, but terrific. His hosting gig is still on despite pressure from some Latino groups on C -- on NBC rather -- to cancel his appearance. Trump also spoke to the Fox Business Network about that profane ads featuring kids yelling at him and calling him racist. Here's part of it.
(BEGINNING VIDEO TAPE)
UNIDENTIFIELD BOY: (inaudible) Donald Trump, screaming "Get out of my country." Republicans use offensive words.
UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: So here's a few of our own.
UNIDENTIFIED BOY: **** you, racist ***.
(END VIDEO TAPE)
TRUMP: I think it's terrible. I think it -- it's just terrible to have young kids using that kind of language is a disgrace. And it totally backfired and people are actually going wild about it, and they're saying we're now going to support Trump. Anybody that would do an ad like that is stupid, to be honest. I mean they're stupid people that would do an ad like that.
CARLSON: And, and not just stupid, Gerald, but nihilistic. I mean, if you're willing to put your kids in an ad like that, you've concluded that like nothing matters.
GERALDO RIVERA: I think it's borderline child abuse, it's horrible. I think it is -- he's exactly right, it has been counterproductive from that point of view.
CARLSON: Does it discredit the message here, the child.?
RIVERA: It totally discredits the message, undermines the, the whole point. His immigration policy is horrible, it's too harsh, it's draconian, I am totally opposed to it, but that ad is way off the mark. It is, as I said, borderline child abuse. It is terrible to use these children. I have a 10-year-old myself. To think that I would put her in front of a camera with those kinds of words (around) her.
DANA PERINO: Never.
CARLSON: So Geraldo, so Geraldo that, Dana, but who's the audience for a spot like this?
PERINO: Well, that's what I'm just thinking. OK, look, the audience is not us. OK? The audience -- Donald Trump is able to get media attention by just showing up anywhere. Anybody will have him on at any time. What he said, and he can say that he didn't mean it, whatever, but what he said about Mexicans being rapists and murderers, that actually resonated, it hurt a lot of people. They can't get attention for their message except for to do something outrageous and terrible, like what they had to do with these children. But, again, the message is not -- they're not trying to reach us. They're trying to reach their own community and I think it's probably very effective in that community.
CARLSON: Wait, it's terrifying that that would resonate with anybody, I have to say.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE: It's so disturbing to me to see children used and manipulated in this way. As a mother and, you know, Geraldo and I are both Latinos, both have children around that age. How could you do this? Do you have any self-respect for yourself? What kind of like lesson are you teaching your children? That it's OK to speak like that and be a part of that kind of process. I think it totally backfired.
CARLSON: So other groups that are trying to prevent Trump even from appearing on "Saturday Night Live." I understand people disagree with him and don't like him which is legitimate, obviously.
GREG GUTFELD: If you, if you believe somebody's ideas are terrible, you should want them aired, you should want them viewed. You're a coward if you try to shut down somebody's speech. About that video, I disagree with you. This is the audience for that video because that -- this video gets played more often on Fox News than anywhere else. It's the same guy who did these other videos with these kids. It's a tribute to horrible parenting. The parents that allow their children to do this, this video is forever. So if this kid ever wants to get a job, or whatever, this is always going to be there on -- in his, in his, in his pedigree of, of past experiences. And it makes me wonder like, if you put your child out there to do disturbing political acts, does that make the child -- does that make it OK for you to equally go after the child and make fun of that child? And verbally abuse that child? Because the parent obviously didn't even think of that.
CARLSON: No, they may have. The people who made this video assume that the America these kids will grow up to inhabit will applaud ads like that.
RIVERA: I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true.
GUTFELD: I think this is all to make a, a commercial-directed career.
RIVERA: Let me just make one news point. At six o'clock tomorrow evening, Eastern Time, a huge coalition of Latino groups plans a demonstration in front of Trump's building at 57th and Fifth Avenue, and then they march to 30 Rock, which is just a block away, where the do "Saturday Night Live." They plan a huge rally there at 7:30 Saturday Night. They tape the rehearsal show at eight o'clock, so it is possible that Trump will be taping the rehearsal show, the fallback show that the use in case something goes wrong, that the sounds of, you know, "Trump is a racist," will be echoing in the background.
CARLSON: They shouldn't be allowed to express those views. It's not American. Stay tuned, Facebook Friday coming up next.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeh.
GUTFELD: It's Facebook Friday. You're right, I read. Then we run through a field of dandelions in our underwear. OK, first question from (Cindy W).
GUTFELD: Get it started from Kimberly, what is your favorite part of being on TV?
GUILFOYLE: The money. Tucker, pay me.
GUTFELD: You said you'd give her a hundred bucks.
CARLSON: I did, I did and I will. I will give you a hundred bucks. 'Cause I'm on TV, so I have it. There you go.
PERINO: A hundred dollar bill.
GUILFOYLE: Thank you very much. I love America.
GUTFELD: We are so middle ---
GUILFOYLE: That's the free market.
GUTFELD: Just like our fans. That's wonderful. Geraldo.
RIVERA: Traveling. I've been to over 150 countries, six of the continents. I, you know, as a war correspondent, as a roving reporter, it's definitely the most, the biggest perk of the job.
GUTFELD: Seeing the world.
RIVERA: See the world.
GUTFELD: In nice hotels.
RIVERA: Over the, over the horizon. Sometimes nice, sometimes getting shot at.
GUTFELD: Tucker, favorite part of being on TV?
CARLSON: The fact that it's live and you can totally screw it up and wreck your life and your career. You know I'm dead serious. It's so exciting to, to.
PERINO: The adrenaline, the rush.
CARLSON: Yes, I love that.
GUTFELD: It's true, it is true. Any day could be your last. Dana.
PERINO: I like that. It is different every day and it is precarious. It's like being on a high wire without a net. I also love the commercial breaks.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, they are --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The audiences are. They are very clever in this show, I must (inaudible).
GUILFOYLE: They're fun.
GUTFELD: My favorite part of the job is that I'm being paid to do what I did in home room. This is all I -- I mean if you told me that I was like. I was in home room sitting around making jokes to people, that somehow that would be my job, is pretty amazing. I'm not even doing -- I'm actually sitting while I'm doing it. This is just like home room. I'm not standing, I'm sitting.
GUILFOYLE: I mean you get paid to do nothing. Facebook Friday.
PERINO: Outfits are the same.
GUTFELD: And my outfits are exactly -- I didn't have to buy new clothes. All right. This is from (Sheilia P) and I'll go this way to Dana. What kind of student were you in class?
PERINO: Oh, my, gosh. Terrible, hard hitting. Everybody knows the answer to that, excellent student, I think.
PERINO: I don't know, I just feel like I didn't try hard enough though.
GUTFELD: Of course, 'cause that, that.
PERINO: I wish I had tried harder.
GUILFOYLE: Didn't you get straight As?
GUTFELD: Your poor self-esteem made you a great student.
GUTFELD: Yeh, because that's -- you try harder.
PERINO: If that was happening to me now, on television?
GUTFELD: No. No, no, no. But you're the type of person that would do your homework and then my homework.
PERINO: Oh, I would make up homework for you.
GUTFELD: Yeh, that -- there you go.
GUILFOYLE: She makes up homework for us now. What are you -- what has changed? My gosh.
GUTFELD: I get the spillover. I bet, I bet you didn't even go to class, Tucker. You didn't go to college, did you?
CARLSON: I was a disaster. No, I did.
GUTFELD: You did?
CARLSON: Not, not the college of my choice. But I did go.
GUTFELD: But now what is you (inaudible). You don't mention your alma mater?
CARLSON: No, it was fine. But it's the one place, the one business you can go into where they (inaudible) it doesn't matter. All it matters is what you can do. So it was a really welcoming place for a bad student.
GUTFELD: You mean TV?
CARLSON: Oh, I was a print guy. Then I sort of (inaudible).
GUTFELD: What about you?
RIVERA: I, I was, I was good until I was bad in high school. And went very bad and just stumbled through college, really. But at law school I was at top of the class though. (inaudible)
GUTFELD: Oh, well, good for you. Always top of the class, Geraldo. Hey, what -- student? You were a good student.
GUILFOYLE: (Obviously), 4.0, graduate with honors, everything. I mean I don't know what the (inaudible).
GUTFELD: (inaudible) just say that (inaudible) hundred bucks.
GUILFOYLE: I know. I know how to make the money, and mama's keeping the money.
GUTFELD: I got time for one question. What was your favorite toy as a child, Geraldo?
RIVERA: I like guns.
GUTFELD: You like guns? Oh, you mean toy guys?
RIVERA: Toy guns.
GUTFELD: OK, just want to make that clear.
RIVERA: GI Joe.
GUTFELD: Kimberly, what was your favorite toy? Don't say boys.
GUILFOYLE: That hasn't changed. No, my favorite toy -- you know, I loved Barbie dolls. I'm kind of dressed like..
GUTFELD: They are sexist, Barbie dolls. They create an unrealistic view of womanhood.
GUILFOYLE: OK, but I liked the Ken dolls.
GUTFELD: That's why (inaudible) (use/lose) their heads.
PERINO: (inaudible) wearing impossible (shoes).
GUTFELD: Exactly. Tucker, did you have a favorite toy?
CARLSON: Like Geraldo, by far, the Crossman 760 Power Master.
CARLSON: The greatest BB gun ever made. You can pump it forever. It's -- I still have it, I still use it. I love it.
GUTFELD: What about you, Dana? What is.?
PERINO: I was more of a Fischer-Price kind of gal.
GUTFELD: Oh, there you go.
PERINO: So I had a barn. It had like.
GUTFELD: You still drive a Big Wheel.
PERINO: .and when you'd open it, it'd go errrrrrr. You know, like a little old moo sound.
GUILFOYLE: What about the Easy Bake oven?
PERINO: I never had an Easy Bake oven, and I'm still bitter about it, mom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My favorite toy was a pillowcase full of oranges.
GUTFELD: So anyway, we go to go. Is that a literary reference?
PERINO: No, wait. Did I have an Easy Bake oven?
RIVERA: It's a perversion, it's a perversion.
GUTFELD: It's a prison weapon.
PERINO: Mom, I apologize if we had an Easy Bake oven. I actually don't think we did.
GUTFELD: You, you were in Colorado, so you had an Easy Baked oven.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoa.
GUTFELD: Coming up, Justice Judge Jeanine is here to tell us about her new book and upcoming special on admitted murderer Robert Durst. Stay tuned.
RIVERA: Welcome back to "The Five." Robert Durst is the heir to a real estate fortune worth more than $110 million. He's also, according to our friend and colleague Judge Jeanine Pirro, a savage, murdering fiend, who admitted to killing his ex-wife Kathleen in New Jersey, is accused of killing another woman, Susan Berman, in California, and admitted to dismembering a third person, his elderly neighbor in Texas, a man named Morris Black. Judge Jeanine has a new book out detailing her 15-year quest to bring the accused to justice, called "He Killed Them All," which is also the subject of a riveting special airing this weekend on the Fox News Channel.
(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)
JUDGE JEANINE PIRRO: (John O'Donnell) and I recently took a trip down to the Pine Barrens in southern New Jersey. Why the Pine Barrens? Because it's a dense, million-acre forest, a really great place to bury a body. Mobsters did it all the time. When I first reopened Kathleen Durst's case, we began piecing together a puzzle and the Pine Barrrens fit right in.
(END VIDEO TAPE)
RIVERA: The host of "Justice with Judge Jeanine" joins us right now. So, Judge, are you obsessed with this man, or do you think that a grave injustice has been done and you're determined to bring it to those victims?
PIRRO: Well, I, you know -- obsession, I don't know if that's the right word. But I'll tell you what I am concerned about, and that is Kathleen Durst and her family finding out 33 years later now, after 1982 when she first went missing, where she is, where her body is. And as we indicate in the special tomorrow night, I believe that he killed her in Westchester, chopped her up, and then buried her in the Pine Barrens. Now, why do I think he chopped her up? How could I know that? I'm watching "The Jinx" and Robert Durst -- they asked him
RIVERA: Great, great series.
PIRRO: A great series, HBO. They asked him where, where, what do you think Pirro was looking for in the lake? And Durst says body parts. I jumped out of my chair. Not my wife's body, not my wife, not a body, body parts. I said, he chopped her up as well, which is why there was this.
RIVERA: So he did chop up that third victim.
PIRRO: Oh, he chopped up the senior citizen and got off of that because the jury believed that, you know. I was chasing him and really didn't have any other choice but to chop up the body.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But he admitted that, the Morris Black. He said I killed the guy and cut him up and put him in a suitcase.
PIRRO: Killed him in self-defense, cut him up, threw him in the bay, because Jeanine Pirro was chasing me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my gosh.
RIVERA: So has his money protected him?
PIRRO: Absolutely. And that's what -- one of the things that motivates me. Money, a name, power, the misogyny in 1982 that, if a woman in medical school, you know, disappears six weeks away from graduation, she probably just fell off the face of the earth. Are you kidding? In 1982, she's in medical school, she is a woman who's going to go out there, be a medical doctor. But the cops are willing to say, OK, she probably ran off with another guy. No evidence, nothing. And that's what I fought for as a prosecutor.
RIVERA: Do you think that his family is protecting him or does his family fear that the will victimize them as well?
PIRRO: Well, I think now the family realizes that he may victimize them as well, but I think that, had the family at least spoken with the police in 1982, they were never spoken to. According to the victim's family, the McCormicks, the Dursts threw them out of their apartment. When the -- the poor McCormicks went there saying maybe you can help us find our daughter, our sister, our -- and it was nothing. Possibly had more been done, two more people would not have died. And I watched the whole thing happen.
RIVERA: The New York Times, never a fan of yours when you were the crime- busting D.A. up in Westchester, fears that your book will help the defense because you give away all of the prosecutions (inaudible).
PIRRO: Oh, that's such a bunch of hog wash. No one knows better than I do what's going to hurt a defense and what's going to hurt a prosecution case. This is what I did for 30 years. I was a prosecutor, judge, D.A. That's a bunch of whooey.
PERINO: And they're a left-wing newspaper.
GUTFELD: On that point, I have just a question for a friend. If you're planning a murder. No, I'm just -- I've always wondered this, is it better to do it yourself or to hire someone. Because if you hire someone, then there's somebody else that knows. Or is it better, even though you're inexperienced in doing it, to do it yourself and limit that poss -- eliminate that possibility?
PIRRO: Just so I don't give away secrets, what do you think?
GUTFELD: I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
PIRRO: Oh, you do know. You already posited it. You do it yourself.
GUTFELD: Oh, really.
PIRRO: You do it yourself. You know that.
GUTFELD: So DIY when it comes to murder.
PIRRO: Is there someone you want to kill?
GUTFELD: No, I'm just asking for a friend.
PERINO: Nobody here at this table, right?
GUTFELD: I need a small suitcase.
GUILFOYLE: Are you excited about the special? Tell us a little bit about it.
PIRRO: Yeh, yeh. I think the special was -- it, it's an hour long. It's tomorrow night, Sunday night. And the good part about it is that I got to work with the investigators and prosecutors who used to work with me in the D.A.'s office, and it was old times. You know there's no better job than being the D.A., no better job in the world.
RIVERA: Judge Jeanine, thank you, good luck.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: Congratulations.
RIVERA: Make sure you grab a copy, "He Killed Them All," and watch "Robert Durst and my Quest for Justice" Saturday and Sunday night, 9:00 pm Eastern, right here on the Fox News Channel. "1 More Thing" is up next.
GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "1 More Thing" and today may be our very favorite because our dear Ainsley Earhardt Proctor had a beautiful baby girl today, Hayden Dubose Proctor weighing in at seven pounds, 13 ounces, and 20 inches. And that was a picture of Ainsley and baby Hayden and her husband Will. We are so super excited here to have this beautiful baby new girl for the Fox News family, and many blessings to the baby and also to their families.
And also in other news, very close friends to "The Five" and to the Fox News Channel, celebrating a birthday on Saturday, Morgan and Marcus Luttrell. The twin boys turn 40 years young. Both of you, thank you for your service as U.S. Navy Seals. A very special day here.
PERINO: What a good day. And then also more to come because there's a Fox News special on President George H.W. Bush you're going to want to see. It's called "Destiny and Power" and it features never before heard recordings of 41, his private audio diaries, along with interviews with his son, my former boss, President George W. Bush. Brit Hume hosts the special and here's a clip that features the President in 1993 on Bill Clinton's inauguration day.
GEORGE H.W. BUSH: Trying to serve here with no taint of dishonor, no conflict of interest, nothing to sully this beautiful, beautiful place, this job I've been privileged to hold. It's amazing. This is my last day as President of the United States of America.
PERINO: The special airs tonight at 10:00 pm and Saturday and Sunday at 8:00 pm, right here on Fox News, so be sure to tune in over the weekend. All right, who's up next? Tucker?
CARLSON: I'll go. I spend all day reading political blogs and newspapers, arguing politics. At the end of the day when I want to decelerate, I go to a place you probably never been. It's a blog called "Small Stream Reflections," and it's written by a man called Alan Petrucci in Connecticut who spend his life catching brook trout in small New England streams. It's re -- he's not a professional writer, but he's the most sincere person. I've never me him.
UNDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hmm, how nice.
CARLSON: .but he's also the most appreciative of nature and God's creation I think I've ever read. Really a great way to (inaudible).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think that Matt Labash goes to that blog?
CARLSON: Labash and I talked about it today actually.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I bet you did.
CARLSON: Quite a bit.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There you go. All right, Greg?
GUTFELD: It's "Sunday Show," I got some dude named Ed Henry, 10 o'clock. I also got (Gavin McIinnis,) and Joanne and (Katherine Teb). I'll be a great show. November ninth the bus is back. I'll be in Texas. I'll be at the Woodlands, Barnes & Noble, Sunday at 11 -- no, Monday at 11:30 am. Then I'll be in, damn it. Can't read, I can't read my handwriting.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Byron)?
GUTFELD: (Byron) Hastings at Hastings in Texas. And then Waco. Just go to ggutfled.com and look at the thing. See, I can't read my own writing.
UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: OK.
RIVERA: I'm in mourning. I put my boat away for the season. It's been amazing weather here in the northeast.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: You're in mourning over your boat?
RIVERA: I am in mourning over the fact that I don't have my boat on the river. It's wonderful. You know, I, I -- New York Harbor is my stomping grounds. I have one of the few boats that really call New York Harbor home. It's amazing. Fifteen million people live with 15 miles of here and no one has a boat in the water. But it's fabulous out there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So without yachting what do you do?
RIVERA: What do I do? I go to Puerto Rico.
GUILFOYLE: It's one percent you're mourning. All right, very excited. Excited to see baby Hayden. I'm coming over to see you. Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. Have a great weekend everyone.
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