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Trump slams Carson as rival surges in new poll

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 3, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Jesse Watters. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Who is the frontrunner in the republican presidential race, Donald Trump or Ben Carson? The doctor has just vaulted past the Donald and yet, another national poll. Carson is ahead by six points in an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey at 29 percent. So what does Trump have to say about the latest polling?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I like Ben, but Ben can't do the job. I mean, there's no question about it, he can't do the job.

BRIAN KILMEADE, 'FOX & FRIENDS' CO-HOST: What do you mean?

TRUMP: He's not going to be able to negotiate with China. Our trade deals are a horror, our military is a mess.

(CROSSTALK)

KILMEADE: You don't think Ben Carson can do that rise in the occasion?

TRUMP: No, I don't think he can -- no, I don't think he can do that. I think he cannot make deals with China. I think he cannot make deals with Japan.

STEVE DOOCY, 'FOX & FRIENDS' CO-HOST: What do you think it is about Ben Carson that a lot of people are going, there's something about him (inaudible).

TRUMP: I really don't know. I think he's a nice person, I like him. But I don't really understand it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK. So that was this morning on Fox and Friends and Trump came out in epic form to greet them on the couch and he answered the questions, Dana, to talk about the latest polling, but his main criticism was listen, I don't think this is a guy who can get deals done.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: So this is what happens when you have candidates that are in competition and I -- what I think that Donald Trump does very, very well is he recognizes his opponents' weaknesses. So his opponent -- like a lot of people would think Ben -- one of Ben Carson strength is that he is nice. What Trump is able to do is to take somebody's perceived strength and turn it into a weakness by saying, basically what he saying is that he does -- he won't be tough enough to negotiate with China, therefore you should look to me to do that because that is something that's on the minds of the American people. So when he is trying to define somebody else, I think he does a pretty good job of it.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Eric, how did you see it? I mean, he is -- he came out I thought was a good response which was listen, I'm the guy for business, to getting deals done, getting the economy going in this country, which is a very important point, especially when you look at the polling about what people care about.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Right. And when you do look at the polling, 41 percent said that Donald Trump, will be as far as the economy and business goes, he would be their choice. What you really need to see in the poll, and these polls are going to jump around a little bit, right? What you need to see in the polling is that between Trump and Carson, the two outsiders have 50 percent -- they have it locked up. I mean, they have 50 percent of the leaning right republican vote -- leaning republican voters. I mean, if they were smart, they would just continue not to take too many harsh shots at each other, continue to own the vote and then hash it out at the end because right now it's going to be a game of attrition. What happens now? There is like six or seven that are probably on the bubble. Three or four probably Jeb stays in, Marco Rubio stays in, one or two stays in and then you're down to a real race. But they -- think about that, two people out of 14 have more than half the vote. That's amazing.

GUILFOYLE: Unbelievable. What does it say about the rest of the crew, Jesse?

JESSE WATTERS, GUEST CO-HOST: The rest of the crew is not dealing too well. So they needed certain getting some of these voters. I do think this Herman -- I think it's a Herman Cain situation. This guy was ahead of Romney back then. This is kind of a mirage, this phenomenon right now. This is the poll that the media has been rooting for and they finally got it.

GUILFOYLE: And needed a Ben Carson.

WATERS: Yeah, this Ben Carson situation. I think his support is soft, it's not deep. When I'm out on the streets, people come up to me. They don't talk about Carson, they talk about Donald Trump. I don't see a lot of Carson paraphernalia out there. You know, I don't know if he is even staffed up. He's got a huge burn rate. I just don't see it right now. I think Trump right now -- I think maybe last debate, he didn't have the moment, and that hurt him. Last cycle, we talked a lot about Biden and Benghazi and Hillary and he's kind of laying back and trying to lock in the support. He hasn't been talking about illegal immigration as much. I think he needs to be more consistent about that. But he's got the big SNL thing coming up this weekend. He's got the book tour. He's gonna be zigzagging across the country. I think it's gonna be fine for the Donald.

GUILFOYLE: And maybe it work even to as advantage, Juan, because you know, when you're on top for that long, this gives a little bit plus or minus margin of error and maybe gives him a chance for him to get back up on top, versus staying there the whole time, you know.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I just think he's having a very strong reaction. This is the first time I think it since June that he hasn't been the number one in the republican field. And so it's not only Carson he's going after, Kimberly. He's going after Jeb Bush. He says Jeb Bush should drop out. He said Marco Rubio is overrated. So he's definitely feeling like hey, I'm punching back, time for the counterpuncher to start counterpunching. I would agree with Jesse, I think this is a very fluid field, I don't think anything is set. I think the most interesting aspect is the electric. I mean, republican voters clearly don't want the status quo, which is what Eric was talking about. They are right now looking for someone who is that outsider. So you get 50 percent about for Trump and Carson. But then you think about who are the other two at the top. They're not at the top level, but the second level, which would be Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Well, Ted Cruz, in my neck of the woods, is view as, oh, my God, it's Ted Cruz. He's not -- you can't play with him. This is other republicans talking. And I mean, if you talk about Marco Rubio, people are saying like well, he's a nice kid. He's young. They don't have a whole lot of sense of him having the experience to get in there and do deals. I will say this about the Donald's thing. Oh, he has experience, doing deals with the Chinese government? Dealing with domestic and international politics?

BOLLING: Oh, he has experience in doing deals. You can't.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, a business.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: A deal between me and you is far different.

BOLLING: Why is it?

WILLIAMS: Than if Kimberly.

BOLLING: No, no, why.

WILLIAMS: And Jesse and Dana said we have something to say about (inaudible).

BOLLING: Whether it's New York or Beijing.

WILLIAMS: Oh it's huge.

BOLLING: Why is it different than doing a deal with the president, the premiere of China?

WILLIAMS: Oh because.

BOLLING: What's the difference? You make it -- you negotiate it. You try to give the best for your side.

WILLIAMS: Because Eric, in this kind of deal you have so many hands. You have could have a Senate that says, you -- we don't like your deal.

BOLLING: No, no, I -- Juan, I understand that politics is not business, but the art of the deal as he point, as he writes, goes across all the spectrum, not just a business deal.

WILLIAMS: I'm just saying, it's not.

BOLLING: It probably goes even across a romantic deal too. You want to sell someone on you, you sell -- you put your best foot forward.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but that's between.

BOLLING: If he buys into it.

WILLIAMS: Well let's say.

GUILFOYLE: That's how you got Adrian (ph).

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: Yeah. So between you and your wife, that's one thing. But imagine -- then your father in law, your mother-in-law, the kids, everybody else like.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS: Juan, Juan, every, every --

(LAUGHTER)

WATTERS: Any guy that deals better than the president right now would be an upgrade. I mean think about it, we had Bergdahl. We had the troops out of Iraq, you had Iran. I would not Trump's deal making. I think the guy in the White House right now is not doing a very good job.

BOLLING: Can I.

WATTERS: Anything is better than him.

BOLLING: For one more thought in here.

GUILFOYLE: Except for Hillary.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: So in a week, there's going to be a Fox Business debate. It's going to be on the economy the way that it should have been on the economy with CNBC. Think about this for one second. So Trump is going to come off this weekend. He's going to have the NBC Saturday Night Live thing. And then they're going into an economy debate. Now Trump versus Ben Carson in the economy -- I love Ben Carson.

WATTERS: Yeah.

BOLLING: But he's probably going to get his lunch eaten by Trump in it, in the debate about business and the economy. Ben's a great guy, but if you push him on numbers, he's a little less than solid on numbers.

WILLIAMS: Oh come on. Let me just say, you haven't seen.

BOLLING: Am I wrong?

WATTERS: No, I agree. Is it disagreeing?

WILLIAMS: No, it's not true. It's not true. Ben has not had his lunch eaten at any of these debates. He has been -- and I will say this. Low energy, people say he is kind of disappeared or something, but you notice what?

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: The electorate likes him. They know that he says controversial.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: He was talking about Medicare, Medicaid, and he goes back.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, I agree, but he says strongly conservative things. You know not even -- not to my liking, but strongly conservative. The base knows who he is, and they find him less objectionable than Donald Trump. That's what these polls are telling you Eric.

GUILFOYLE: Juan has a man crush on Carson. It's official.

PERINO: I do find it curious, though, that if Donald Trump is on top in the polls and that is a good poll. If Carson is obviously on top in this poll, then that poll should be questioned or Carson should be questions. Here's the thing, I think on the bigger scale, when you mentioned Herman Cain. In 2004, John Kerry was way down at this point in the election. He comes back to win Iowa and ten he gets the nomination, same with Obama, same with McCain, same with Romney. So I'm not saying that history is necessary going to repeat itself this year, but I just think everyone should just chill out for just a minute.

GUILFOYLE: Take a moment.

PERINO: And let, let these debates take place.

GUILFOYLE: Sure.

PERINO: Let them try to run their races. I mean it is not over and I'm looking forward to the debate next week because I do think it will be a different one. You'll have a different tone.

GUILFOYLE: Substantive.

PERINO: And they will have to answer very substantive questions and follow- ups, unlike the democrats that didn't have to do so in their previous debates.

WATTERS: And that poll does show Rubio really surging. The Rubio phenomenon is real. You had a great debate last time.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I want (ph) too.

WATTERS: And you can tell because Donald starts to attack him. He came out today, he say he was a disaster with the credit cards, kind of insinuated. He was a little corrupt when he was running the showdown.

PERINO: Right.

WATTERS: In Florida. He said he sweats a lot, you know, he said he's weakening immigration. So, you know, Donald maybe distracted, putting down Jeb or, you know, going after Carson, but I think Rubio is kind of a threat right now.

GUILFOYLE: I think he thinks he -- he said oh, I killed off Jeb too soon, but now he has.

WATTERS: Yeah, that's right. He needs to revive him.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, elevate Rubio. But, just to make your day, Jesse.

WATTERS: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: I got a little bit more of Trump for you.

WATTERS: OK, run it off.

GUILFOYLE: Earlier, Trump held a news conference in New York City and used the opportunity to take some more shots at his opponents.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: You look at Ben. He's very weak on immigration. I think that really Marco is overrated. My Jeb impression? No. I don't want to do that. I don't like showing a person sleeping at a podium. You need a very strong person with tremendous energy. Thank you very much, folks, I'll take the jump.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK. And he's also calling on some of them to get out of the race.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: Do I think it's time to have some of the other republican candidates drop out? Yes. There are too many people. Well, I don't want to get personal, but you can look at the poll numbers. Look, if a person has been campaigning for four or five months and they're at zero or one or 2 percent, they should get out. Look at me, I go to Florida, and look at the numbers that just came out in Florida, 37 percent? Georgia, to -- I mean those are real numbers. Do they do this for their brand? Because I happen to think it's very bad for their brand.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: All right. So he's obviously very confident person. And he's got a message and he's staying on it. Is this going to be able to win the day? Is this going to resonate with voters? Or is it starting to back-fire a little bit?

BOLLING: I actually think, now you know that talked about Trump quite a bit. But I actually think that his support is higher than these polls are showing. These polls are done randomly, the dial polls, the landline polls. We're steering away from online polls. He seems to have some sort of groundswell support, that isn't your typical voter. Maybe people have even vote -- having never even.

WILLIAMS: Weren't you saying this a few weeks ago?

BOLLING: What?

WILLIAMS: That somehow that the polls were illegitimate when Trump was on top?

BOLLING: No, no, I'm saying -- no, no, no. I'm not saying polls are illegitimate. I think they're polling accurately the way they're making their polls, but if you look at the online polls, they show vastly different picture. They show Trump leading everyone by quite a bit. Maybe because these are typical landline, 400 phone calls, made via landline. I don't even have a landline to my house.

WILLIAMS: Well, I'm gonna say, you got Wall Street Journal now, you had New York Times. The polls are very similar, right? So you have two different highly credible polls. I will say this.

GUILFOYLE: What do you attribute it to?

WILLIAMS: What I attribute this to? I think the pie is not baked or it's everything is fluid and people think maybe Trump is a little brash and harsh and big on himself. You know, egotistical. And seeing this other guy is kind of quiet. But I think Jesse is right, you look at the numbers and you think -- the people aren't saying they're committed to Carson. They're saying right now they like Carson. And I think they like him compared to.

WATTERS: Trump is still winning in almost every single primary state by wide margins.

BOLLING: Which is, big.

WATTERS: He is the expected nominee among republicans.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

WATTERS: By double digits over Carson and is expected to take on the democrat nominee. So I don't think it's like all over for Trump. I think everybody is wishing it to write the story that Trump's on the decline. I think he's sitting pretty right now.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it's still early and Newt Gingrich, Dana, has also said that, you know, there's going to be still movement, things happening. He doesn't necessarily think the outsiders like Carson and Trump are going to be out of the game. But there are some people saying, well, perhaps, we're beginning to see a little bit of that, you know wearing off. And perhaps some of the other candidates we've seen elevated like Rubio.

PERINO: Well, Gingrich would know. He was one of those people. I mean, it's like, think that there's -- I think that history as a guide, you would have to just think that maybe there's going to be some additional changes, the election is not tomorrow. And if it was, then maybe Ben Carson would win. The other thing I would point out is that there's a lot laughter last week's debate. And a lot of conservatives on the right were complaining about the debate structure because they said republicans shouldn't go out and just beat each other up all the time and give the democrats all sorts of weaknesses about the republican field. What we just saw in Donald Trump's press conference was one after the other, systemically going down the line and pointing out all the weaknesses and not saying this is what I'm going to do for the country. Maybe that's entertaining, but to me, I think that he's actually doing what everybody said that we didn't want to do in last week's -- in aftermath of those debates.

WATTERS: Well, we've all talked about winning a competitive primary. And when people that we like get attacked, then we say, oh, you know, we shouldn't -- we have to unite. And then when people don't attack, you have to say listen, you know, we're not gonna -- it's not a coronation. So I think like you said.

PERINO: So what?

WATTERS: It is fluid and people are going to do what they have to do to win this thing.

GUILFOYLE: Well, you've got a lot of people making positive strides. You've got Rubio, you've got Cruz, you've got Christie, I mean people are far from giving up at this point and Jeb's got to revamp. That's why we love this show. There's so much to talk about.

Next, pressure has been mounting on Quentin Tarantino to apologize after he referred to police officers as murderers. The director has just responded to the controversy for the first time. Is he sorry for what he said? Stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WILLIAMS: Director Quentin Tarantino has been under fire and under pressure to apologize for this remark the other weekend at an anti-cop rally.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

QUENTIN TARANTINO, FILM DIRECTOR: I'm a human being with a conscience. And when I see murder, I cannot stand by and I have to call the murder to the murder and I have to call the murderers the murderers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAMS: Police groups have been calling for a boycott of his films. Now Tarantino is just giving his first public response to the controversy, he spoke to the L.A. Times. Tarantino says quote, "All cops are not murderers. I never said that. I never even implied that. I'm not being intimidated. I'm not a cop-hater. That is a misrepresentation. That is slanderous. That is not how I feel." And he adds, "I'm not taking back what I said. What I said was the truth." Dana Perino, the truth?

PERINO: Well, I mean, I have to know. I've -- we've watched that tape of his from the protest several times. I mean, I don't think that there can be misinterpreted. So if he's saying he's not taking it back, I'm gonna take him at his word and think that what he said on that date is what he meant.

GUILFOYLE: I -- she's exactly right. So if he wants to double down, all right, let's play Tarantino. Let's see. Let's see if he's talking a big game like Mr. Tough guy. You know, but he is showing no respect for the sanctity of human life. He's showing no respect for the police officers, men and women of the color and diversity that put their lives on the line every day and have bled and died to keep make our community safe. How can he look at himself in the mirror in the morning when he spews hate and ignorance?

WILLIAMS: OK. So let me then speak in terms of, let say, in favor of Tarantino.

GUILFOYLE: Oh.

WILLIAMS: Tarantino says, "I never called all cops murders."

BOLLING: Except when he said they're murderers.

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: No, he said there are some police who have engaged in tactics that have led to the death of people.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Well, first of all, he didn't say that.

PERINO: That's not what he said.

BOLLING: That's not what exactly what he said. And he also said that in the context of talking about Michael Brown in Ferguson, right? Which we -- in hindsight realize that cop was not a murderer. He was found innocent of any murder charges, and there wasn't even brought up on murder charges, if I'm not mistaken, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, yeah.

BOLLING: So, for him to use that that as an example and then say, cops, this context, murders -- I believe he did. I could be wrong, I'm not lawyer, but I believe he did. I'm also a defender of the First Amendment of free speech.

WILLIAMS: Right.

BOLLING: But Tarantino, you have a right to be an idiot and say that.

WILLIAMS: But.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: I would never -- I never called for boycott -- and never once have I ever called for a boycott.

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute.

BOLLING: Ever once have I.

WILLIAMS: You have a right, but everybody has a right to boycott if they don't like what Tarantino is saying.

BOLLING: Even though I don't do that. My point is you call him a moron and an idiot for saying what he said.

WILLIAMS: Right.

BOLLING: But don't -- I would say not taking the one step further and boycott stuff because you have a right to say stuff even though.

WILLIAMS: I think he has.

GUILFOYLE: No, but you're for the free market, stepping in and if people you don't like what he says.

BOLLING: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: Then you don't have to go to his movie. But you personally not gonna call for boycott.

BOLLING: Correct, right.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: But -- so Jesse, what -- but Tarantino, in addition to saying he didn't call all cops murderers, but was talking about people in specific instances, he said the right is trying to intimidate and shut him up.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, scary.

WILLIAMS: And use him as an example to shut up anybody else.

WATTERS: Unbelievable.

WILLIAMS: To talk about the abusive use of force by some police officers.

WATTERS: This guy is a great director, terrible actor. You have a white millionaire, Hollywood star here, this guy, who is pretending like he is the victim.

WILLIAMS: Yes, he is, He's probably saying.

WATTERS: He's saying, he is being slandered, he calls cops murders, but then he's the victim and he's not going to be intimidated. I honestly can't believe that. I don't think this is the apology that Harvey Weinstein was looking for. I think now the movie is definitely going to tank.

GUILFOYLE: Weins?

BOLLING: Weinstein.

WATTERS: Weinstein, stein, whatever. And let's look at the context of what he said, though.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

WATTERS: Remember what happened here? This is the guy that marched with the movement that called for the death of police. Called police murderers, and this is a few days after a black NYPD officer was shot in the face by a convicted felon. I mean -- Tarantino is in trouble here. I mean you guys have been killing him every day. The papers have been killing him. He's turning him into like a skinny Michael Moore at this point.

WILLIAMS: Well, here's what.

WATTERS: He's in serious danger zone right now.

WILLIAMS: So part of the thinking, at this table, but I think everywhere is that he's under pressure, not just from the police unions, but from Harvey Weinstein.

WATTERS: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: Harvey Weinstein.

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: Weinstein is distributing the film that's coming out in December, right?

GUILFOYLE: We have to apologize to Harvey.

WILLIAMS: So Weinstein said today, "The Weinstein Company has a long- standing relationship, friendship with Quentin and has a tremendous amount of respect for him as a filmmaker. We don't speak for Quentin. He can and should be allowed to speak for himself." Jesse, what is wrong with that?

WATTERS: That sounds like they're distancing themselves from Tarantino.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

WATTERS: That's like he speaks for himself. We don't speak for Quentin, but we like him and he likes -- he makes money for us.

PERINO: Exactly. So they didn't want to go the step further and say.

WATTERS: Right.

PERINO: That he's wrong.

GUILFOYLE: That's called a carefully crafted statement.

WATTERS: Right.

GUILFOYLE: We got the message.

WILLIAMS: All right.

GUILFOYLE: All of it.

WILLIAMS: So here's Stephen Colbert, the comedian -- the late night comedian. He took a break from making jokes yesterday to lend his support to the Black Lives Matter movement.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEPHEN COLBERT, COMEDIAN: There are a lot of people out there talking about the use of excessive force by the police. And without courting any controversy, I want to say that the police have a very hard job putting their lives on the line, and the vast majorities are good people. On the other hand, black people aren't imagining this stuff. Let me just take a moment here.

(LAUGHTER)

COLBERT: To say, that I agree with how you feel.

(LAUGHTER)

COLBERT: You know who you are.

(APPLAUSE)

COLBERT: I feel strongly about that. And those people on the other side -- wrong.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAMS: How do you feel, Eric?

BOLLING: I think Stephen Colbert used to be funny. I'm not sure what happen.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: His numbers are wrong. The numbers don't bear that out. The numbers bear out that after rate at which African-Americans commit crime, it's commensurate with the amount of times that they end up dead at the hand of a cop as -- if you take the same rate, it apply to white people. There are far more white people who are killed at the other end of a cop's gun, but they commit. They are -- 83 percent of the country is white, 13 or 14 percent is black. I mean the numbers are consistent. They're not people -- cops aren't killing African-Americans at a higher rate than African- Americans are committing crime.

WILLIAMS: I don't think that's right. I think it's pretty clear that it's disproportionate.

BOLLING: It's right.

WILLIAMS: To the population.

BOLLING: No, it's not.

WILLIAMS: Here's what I would say.

BOLLING: No, no. No, no, it is disproportionate to the population, but the population -- but the rate of crime is disproportionate as well.

WATERS: Correct.

WILLIAMS: Yes. I was going to say it. If you want to talk about crime and especially, violent crime, is disproportionately concentrated in black, especially poor black neighborhoods.

BOLLING: So they're like -- more likely to get killed?

WILLIAMS: But the ideas that -- that would then excuse the use of, you know homicidal force? I don't think, I don't think most Americans would be comfortable.

WATTERS: No, Juan. Let to what Eric said. And Eric is right. Exactly, the Washington Post did a study and they analyzed all the fatal shootings by the police in this year, 2015. And they found that 95 percent, 95 percent were justified. And as Eric said, more whites are killed by police officers than blacks. So this idea that this, you know, Black Lives Matter movement is this real movement based on facts is just not true.

WILLIAMS: I think it's very factual. I don't think there's any question about what happened.

WATTERS: How could you say it's factual when I just cited a Washington Post statistic.

WILLIAMS: Here's the thing.

WATTERS: That refutes that. The Washington Post isn't conservative, Juan.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. Let me just say. I don't think there's any question about your statistics. I think there's a question about what you're arguing about because there is no question that this movement has broad support, especially in the black community.

WATTERS: No it doesn't, Juan.

(CROSSTALK)

WATERS: Absolutely not.

WILLIAMS: That's not true.

WATTERS: Juan, I'm out in the streets every day. I always ask white people.

WILLIAMS: Jesse...

WATTERS: I say, do black lives matter or do all lives matter? I've never heard one black guy say, black lives matter. All of them have told me, all lives matter.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe they're scared.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: Jesse, I'm tired of being interviewed by you. You know, you keep asking the same question. But I think.

WATTERS: I think getting the same.

WILLIAMS: I think all lives matter too. But I'm telling you, in terms of the reality, this movement has some support in the black community. Now, I think, Dana, that this is a difficult issue for someone like Stephen Colbert. I'm surprised he jumped in because he's a comedian. And he's going to get a backlash. People are going to say, why are you doing that? So why is he doing that?

PERINO: Well, when he starts off this -- the commentary by saying, without courting any controversy, when -- actually, the whole reason to bring it up is to court controversy. It's not that it's not a relevant topic. And maybe that's what he's hearing a lot about. He's got a platform now. He's got to right to use it however he wants, but you can't say without courting any controversy, and not actually be trying to get attention for it because he was, and maybe that's good.

WILLIAMS: Well, you said if we should do.

GUILFOYLE: Well, he needs to do something. He needs to do something, right? And to get himself out there because things haven't been going swimmingly, so, you know, he wants to say, oh yeah, black people they are not imagining this. And so he's a comedian. He's trying to just, you know, provoke thought and discourse and get in on it. That's how I see it.

WILLIAMS: Maybe all of these Hollywood celebrity types are trying to jump in, but are they all jumping on the left? I guess that would be the question. We need some Jesse Watters.

Next, Bill O'Reilly lashes out on those trying to stifle free speech in America. Stick around to see this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Remember the cop who got fired over the incident with the unruly student? Well, there are some media types who suggest that there might be more to the story than just that short video clip.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: I think there's context in everything. I would like to see what happened before, and I'd like to see what happened afterwards.

But I do agree with everyone, including the commissioner and including Tom, it does look horrible. It does look like there's no excuse for what he's doing to her. But again, we don't know.

RAVEN-SYMONE, CO-HOST, ABC'S "THE VIEW": The girl was told multiple times to get off of her -- to get off the phone. There's no right or reason for him to be doing this type of harm. That's ridiculous. But at the same time, you've got to follow the rules in school.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Well, those comments didn't sit well with left-wing groups, including Change.org, who posted online petitions calling for Lemon and Raven-Symone to be fired. Bill O'Reilly responded with some strong words for liberals who are trying to kill free speech in America.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL O'REILLY, HOST, "THE O'REILLY FACTOR": Freedom of speech in this country is under attack. And it's under attack primarily from the left. And the facts are there. The left does not want to hear dissenting opinions, and if you put them out, they will try to destroy you. That is the beginning of a totalitarian society.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Dana, you're shaking your head?

PERINO: I was just thinking that I would imagine that Lemon and Raven are probably -- the last person they thought would come to their defense would be Bill O'Reilly. But FOX News, Bill O'Reilly, other people at this network are consistent in defending free speech rights, and that includes theirs.

BOLLING: Don Lemon pointed out you need to know context before you go ahead and be the judge, jury and executioner. He's right.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, and this is just a perfect example. I mean, it's just really unbelievable. They're, like, the biggest killers of free speech. The liberal -- you know hysterics in this country that sit there and say you can't even have a thought. They want to punish you even for thinking something, let alone being honest and saying something like, "All lives matter." Or "Hey, people should follow the rules and listen and be obedient in school."

I don't get it. I never thought I'd wake up in America and see it like this.

BOLLING: Is it because Lemon and Raven-Symone are black or because they're supposed to be liberal?

WATTERS: I think it's more liberal than it is black. But black is a part of it. I think when you control people's speech, you control their behavior. Controlling behavior, you control their vote. And when you control the votes, you control the money and the power.

Now the left runs a tight ship. Anybody that gets out of line on the left, they crack the whip, and they get back in line. Because they're running a revolution over there. They're all about winning elections, taking over the finances, redistributing the wealth and changing the culture. And any of the foot soldiers that get out of line, there's a lot of discipline. They keep the troops in line.

Republicans, I mean -- we say this, we say that. We believe in free speech. You have internationalists, interventionalists, Tea Party, establishment. It's crazy. You know, Republicans believe in free thinking, not free stuff. But there's no unity on that side.

BOLLING: Juan, what's wrong with adding some context? Or at least asking for some context? These two people are targeted by Change.org to be fired.

WILLIAMS: Well, it's worse than that. Look, I was sitting there with O'Reilly, and I've got to tell you something that was, I said, to me the most shocking part, is that if you go to Change.org to this petition, not only if you -- so if you say, "Yes, I want to sign this petition," then Change.org says "So make a contribution to Change.org." So they're trying to raise money off of this.

BOLLING: It's for profit. They're a for profit organization.

WILLIAMS: My feeling is that part of the petition also speaks to race. That it says, "We don't want black commentators on the air who don't represent the wide consensus of black opinion." In other words, they're expecting that Raven-Symone and Don Lemon would speak for all black people. How insulting.

PERINO: Also, The Officer was fired.

WILLIAMS: Yes. But you know, in both cases, in both cases they said that looked like overreaction, far too violent. But they want to know more. They want to know what the girl was up to, what was going on. How can you say that that's bad journalism? That, to me, should be held up as a standard.

BOLLING: All right. Let's stay in the PC cultural war, free speech. Check this out. A college president had to apologize for this photo of him and his staff wearing sombreros. Seriously, K.G., I've taken -- I don't know -- 20 or 30 pictures...

GUILFOYLE: There's quite a few.

BOLLING: ... am I a racial microaggressive person? Is that what I am now?

GUILFOYLE: Not all the time at all. No. No, you're a fun guy. You're a fun guy. People like to take pictures. Yes, I mean, what is the -- I don't get it. One of my favorite things is the Taco Bell commercial with the little Chihuahua. You know, "Yo quiero Taco Bell." Like, what's the problem here? Now you can't wear a sombrero? It's offensive? I don't understand how we became like this.

BOLLING: Juan, how does the left -- I mean, this is coming from liberal academia. The left is pushing this nonsense.

WILLIAMS: I don't know that it's coming -- maybe it's coming from academia. Because I think this whole thing about microaggression...

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: ... president.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but I think this came from one of the students at the school who then said this was a racist act. I don't see how it's a racist act. I think it might be, you know, insensitive of something, like...

GUILFOYLE: Why, though? Why?

WATTERS: Juan.

GUILFOYLE: It celebrates a culture.

WILLIAMS: The whole idea is that, you know...

WATTERS: Taco Tuesday, salsa night? You can't have salsa night?

WILLIAMS: I just think the whole idea is that these folks are -- you know, they have the mustaches and the sombreros. You know, the...

WATTERS: It's Halloween, Juan.

WILLIAMS: No, let me just tell you.

WATTERS: You're allowed to dress up on Halloween.

WILLIAMS: OK. So if you dress like a hooker, right, or if you dress up like one of these gangster rappers, guess what? There are people who are going to say you're belittling women or you're mocking blacks.

WATTERS: Juan, I can dress up as a gangster rapper but I can't put on...

PERINO: Unlike the rappers who are actually doing that?

WILLIAMS: I think they mock themselves.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

WILLIAMS: Check it out. I agree with you on that.

GUILFOYLE: It's crazy. Got to just, you know, choose your friends.

BOLLING: Some college campuses you can't even describe a perp, with race, with a color. He's -- it's a male and he's 5'10". You can't say he's black. Or he's white or he's Asian.

GUILFOYLE: That's why we're getting back to the school thing where they want to call kids purple penguins. Can't call a boy or a girl or talk about any race.

WILLIAMS: If you say -- so every six-foot black male, you're going to say, "You're guilty"?

BOLLING: Yes.

WILLIAMS: The minute I walk by, you're going to -- come on.

WATTERS: Juan, you're looking for the suspect. You want to be as descriptive as possible.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but black? How is black going to help you in that situation?

BOLLING: You're kidding, right.

WATTERS: How is it going to help you? It narrows it down.

BOLLING: ... the population.

WILLIAMS: It depends where you are. If you're in the middle of D.C. or Baltimore, it ain't going to help narrow it down to 20 percent of the population.

BOLLING: Well, if you say black male, as opposed to a white male and there's 40 percent whites...

WATTERS: Juan, when you get robbed, don't tell the cops the race of the mugger, OK? Try that. Try that.

WILLIAMS: No. I'm glad to do it, but I'm just saying Jesse, as a general thing, broadcasting, it ain't helping.

GUILFOYLE: This is craziness. What happened?

BOLLING: We won't even talk about the Redskins having the bye week.

WILLIAMS: Oh no! A cheap shot!

BOLLING: ... gets us up to speed on the big pot vote in Ohio today. Stay tuned.

GUILFOYLE: I knew you were going to say that.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: It's decision day in Ohio, voters there determining whether to legalize recreational marijuana like four other U.S. states. If approved, medical marijuana would be become legal there, as well. Polls close in about two hours.

One famous Ohio resident stands to cash in if ballot item 3 passes. It's former boy singer Nick Lay-shee, who would co-own...

GUILFOYLE: Nick Lachey.

PERINO: Lachey. Whatever.

He would co-own one of the -- I wondered that all day. That he would co- own one of the ten farms approved to grow the weed for the state's regulated marijuana stores.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NICK LACHEY, FORMER BOY BAND SINGER: I'm Nick Lachey. Ohio is my home, and I care very deeply about the people here. Which is why I'm proud to be a part of a movement that's going to create jobs, reinvigorate our economy, and improve the safety of our communities.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: OK, there's a lot to get to. And Eric, I'm going to get to you in just one moment. I want to show Governor Kasich, who was talking about this vote today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. JOHN KASICH (R-OH), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're not for legalizing marijuana. Because look, we spend all of our time trying to tell kids to stay off drugs and that legalize this drug, OK, sends such a mixed message, we can't afford mixed messages to our kids. So I'm totally opposed to this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: OK, so that's one point of view. But what's interesting, the twist on this, Eric -- maybe could you help explain it to people -- is that basically only ten companies, ten firms are going to get to be in on this deal.

BOLLING: Ten growers. So this is a huge test, because for once, it's a Midwest state. It's going to be all eyes on it. And it's very close, 43- 42 right now in favor, so it could go either way. And Kasich is against it. Kind of popular vote in the state.

But monopoly. You're talking about monopoly. Ten growers, one distributor. The government will be able to oversee the distributor. Ten growers, which means it is a monopoly, which means prices are going to stay high. There's no chance for the product to improve quality-wise.

So all the libertarians out there are saying, yes, legalize weed, because that's what they're for. But boy, you put -- you just took all the free market out of it. I think it will probably be pushed through, because they want to get it legalized weed on the books. And then they have to allow a lot more growers. They have to allow it to be a free market.

PERINO: I think that they are thinking this is a privately-funded ballot initiative. So they're trying to get it done. And Jesse, as you know, Kimberly, and I would -- like, we've never smoked pot. So this is not like about pot.

WATTERS: Kimberly hasn't?

GUILFOYLE: Never. I've never even had a cigarette. You've got to be kidding.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: You what?

WILLIAMS: They want to know if he smoked with you.

WATTERS: Never mind.

GUILFOYLE: Are you out of your mind?

PERINO: Because you and Kimberly, I'm going to go to you, because you are the parents of younger children.

WATTERS: Yes.

PERINO: So remember, like, you used to get in trouble for, like having a bag of weed. Now this is actually how pot comes today. So you're a grower. Then you sell it. Then you can make it into all these little fancy things. So are you concerned about it as a father? Or do you not care?

WATTERS: No, I am concerned. Listen, if I lived in Cleveland, Ohio, I'd probably want to get high, too. But as a parent -- you're different as a parent.

PERINO: Jesse...

WATTERS: Because like, you know, you do it when you were growing up, but you don't want your kids near it. So you're like do as I say, not as I do. I don't want them normalized to it.

But you know what? If these guys want to vote for it in Ohio, it's a democracy, let them vote for it. You know, what do I care? And this country is going to Amsterdam pretty soon. I mean, we're going to have legalized prostitution. Everything is going to be legal. It doesn't matter to me. They're probably going to regret it.

I mean, Ohio is probably going to turn Democrat now because of this. I mean, this is where it's all headed. Republicans are going to get stoned, forget when election day is. Once it gets to the Midwest, it's all over.

WILLIAMS: I don't know.

PERINO: K.G., you're not for this, we know that.

GUILFOYLE: No, no, no.

PERINO: No.

GUILFOYLE: No. And I don't like it hidden in -- what was that, a JELL-O star? What was that?

PERINO: They're like candies.

GUILFOYLE: Well, this is very deceiving. I'm very worried. Because, like, someone could fool someone and, like, slip them that, and they think it's a delicious treat.

PERINO: And there's interesting statistics, too, about emergency room visit for children who are like, "Oh, that looks good."

GUILFOYLE: I'm very worried for kids. I agree with John Kasich, because listen, you don't want to send the wrong message to kids. Then this, then OK, try pot. OK, cigarettes. No, no, no, no, no.

WILLIAMS: What about alcohol? What about tobacco?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know.

PERINO: Juan, I tried to give you enough time. Can I just get a prediction? Is it going to pass or not pass?

WILLIAMS: Yes, I think it passes. I just quickly would add, Dana, it's about the money. It's the way they presented it, not about what we've discussed at this table.

PERINO: Really?

WILLIAMS: Yes. They just think it's a money winner.

PERINO: Did you know how to pronounce Nick Lachey's last name?

WILLIAMS: Yes, because there was a guy he played -- who played for the Washington football game who was a star named Lachey.

PERINO: Oh, OK. Well, see, now that's too strikes against me. I didn't watch the football game either.

All right. Next, they say laughter is often the best medicine. But what if you have a bad case of a bad boss? Stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WATTERS: If you watched "The Office" you know TV boss Michael Scott often tried to make his employees laugh.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEVE CARRELL, ACTOR: Hey, hey, hey, it's Fat Halpert.

JOHN KRASINSKI, ACTOR: What?

CARRELL: Fat Halpert. Jim Halpert.

Meredith, you slept with so many guys, you're starting to look like one. Boom, roasted. Kevin, I can't decide between a fat joke and a dumb joke. Boom, roasted. Creed, your teeth called. Your breath stinks. Boom, roasted.

They say that laughter is the best medicine. So Stanley, you can throw away those pills. You are cured. Actually, you better hold onto the pills just in case.

How come Chris Rock can do a routine, and everybody finds it hilarious and ground-breaking? And I go and do the exact same routine, same comedic timing, and people file a complaint to corporate?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WATTERS: A new study indicates managers should lay off the jokes in real life, as well. Because ones that come from bad bosses usually annoy and offend their workers.

So Dana, you worked with George W. Bush. He didn't tell jokes? The guy's hilarious.

PERINO: He's really funny.

WATTERS: Yes.

PERINO: He has, like, a good wit.

WATTERS: Right.

PERINO: He didn't make fun of people.

WATTERS: He didn't?

PERINO: No.

WATTERS: Because O'Reilly often tells jokes which are oftentimes demeaning, and we have to laugh. Because we're scared.

BOLLING: You have to. You need to laugh, right?

WATTERS: You have to.

BOLLING: The whole pod laughs.

WATTERS: Everybody laughs -- heh, heh, heh -- nervous laughter.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

WATTERS: I mean, Bolling, you know. You've worked in the trading pits. These guys are cracking jokes left and right.

BOLLING: Yes, I know. You've got to have humor.

WATTERS: That's right.

WILLIAMS: But wait. Those are your peers.

BOLLING: Yes, I know. I don't understand why the boss thing. Is that another microaggression?

PERINO: Yes. That's exactly right. So when we were talking about the sombrero thing. Like it all builds on each other.

WATTERS: No sombrero jokes, huh?

PERINO: You're not supposed to like laugh, don't have a -- don't laugh, don't tell anybody that works for you a joke or else they might be offended and go to corporate.

BOLLING: That's right.

WATTERS: Like a well-timed ethnic joke from your boss, Juan? That's well- timed, it's fun, right?

WILLIAMS: It's fun?

WATTERS: It's good, right?

WILLIAMS: I don't think so.

WATTERS: You're offended?

WILLIAMS: But you know what? What we're talking here is the power of equation. Obviously, it's most often with the women that the big boss, right? He has power; he can fire.

GUILFOYLE: A power equation.

WILLIAMS: Right. And then people say, you know, that's not, in terms of the power, it's not an equal relationship. Which is why I was curious about with the Eric situation. It's like people in the pits, well, they're all traders. They're just going at each other, mocking.

WATTERS: I'm sure Kimberly has heard a few off-color jokes from the bosses over the years.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh.

WATTERS: Right?

GUILFOYLE: How about at this table?

WATTERS: From Juan, mostly.

GUILFOYLE: Every day, everywhere.

WATTERS: Yes, except at FOX News.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

WATTERS: We want to make it clear. "One More Thing" is up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Dana.

PERINO: Well, I felt like yesterday we didn't give enough love to the Kansas City Royals, and they deserved it. And today Royals fans packed downtown Kansas City. They painted the streets blue. They welcomed back the Royals in a really great, great way. There's some aerial shots. Look at that. I think there was, like, 300,000 people there.

And also I got a couple of pictures from Twitter. Let's see. There's a selfie. I think they were there early, like, around 10 a.m., waiting for it.

GUILFOYLE: Wow.

PERINO: And another aerial shot.

GUILFOYLE: They were fired up. You know what? They deserve it. Because, I mean, come on, ninth inning and they were down...

BOLLING: Three times.

GUILFOYLE: Right, I know. So this is what I'm saying.

PERINO: Congratulations to the Royals. We didn't mean to dismiss you yesterday.

GUILFOYLE: Good job, Royals. Feel yourself.

BOLLING: Jon Stewart just signed a four-year deal with HBO. I'm going to take care of that on Saturday.

But Jimmy Kimmel does it every year. Check it out. It's awesome. Watch what happens the day after Halloween.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mommy and Daddy ate all your candy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our candy?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If I see no candy, you are in big trouble, young lady.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I ate it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wanted the Skittles!

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BOLLING: And it goes on and on. That is so good.

PERINO: I hate it every year.

BOLLING: It's frustrating?

GUILFOYLE: I think it's so mean.

BOLLING: It's so cute.

GUILFOYLE: It's so sad. And then they're crying. They're all upset.

PERINO: They could be scarred for life and they don't even know. Talk about microaggression.

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. What about politically correct. You can't play a joke on a kid now?

GUILFOYLE: All right. Thank God, it's time for one of my food segments, because today is National Sandwich Day. Want to know how I'm celebrating? You know it: salami. However, I mix it up a little bit. With some turkey. It's incredibly delicious.

And did you know this, that according to a survey released last year, Americans picked turkey as the type of sandwich they ate most often, followed by ham and chicken. Pita, falafel, blah, blah, blah at the end. Yum.

WILLIAMS: How do you do it, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Well, taste all of that mustard.

WILLIAMS: Anyway, "Monday Night Football." I was watching the game last night. Panthers versus Colts, third quarter, very unusual goings on. A man and a woman rappelling down the front of the stadium there. They're protesting Bank of America, which is based in Charlotte, financing a liquefied natural gas facility in Maryland.

PERINO: Oh, please.

WILLIAMS: Four people were arrested. And they unfurled a banner saying the Bank of America should not be funding dominions.

PERINO: That did nothing but help Bank of America.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, that was not (UNINTELLIGIBLE). OK, Jesse?

WATTERS: All right. So the guy is hammered in the back of an Uber car. He was so drunk, couldn't even tell the guy directions how to get home. The driver had enough of it. This is what happened next.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh!

WATTERS: Wow. So the guy is whaling on him. But the Uber driver had a little mace. There he goes, right in the eye.

GUILFOYLE: Good.

WATTERS: It turns out this guy was arrested. He is an employee of Taco Bell.

BOLLING: Not anymore.

WATTERS: Not anymore. At least he wasn't wearing a sombrero.

PERINO: I mean, that's actually aggression.

GUILFOYLE: Set your DVR so you don't miss an episode of "The Five."

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