RNC's Priebus speaks out on debate reforms; Christie, Huckabee weigh in on issue

Republican National Committee chairman speaks out on 'Hannity' about debate reforms


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," November 2, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." Tonight, after last week's debacle at the CNBC Republican debate, many of the 2016 Republican presidential campaigns are pushing for mandatory changes at future debates.

Now, Fox News is reporting that last night, representatives from more than a dozen of the campaigns met in Washington to discuss a strategy going forward. And here's what some of candidates have been saying about the RNC in recent days.


MIKE HUCKABEE, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: CNBC -- I want to give them credit. They did something I wasn't sure anybody could do. They actually have brought all of the Republican candidates together in a complete agreement that we won't do any more debates on NBC if they're going to run them like that!

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DR. BEN CARSON, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Oh, I think we should have moderators who are interested in disseminating the information about the candidates, as opposed to, you know, gotcha, you did this, and you defend yourself on that.

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE, R-N.J., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Stop complaining.  You know, do me a favor, set up a stage, put podiums up there and let's just go, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you did say the moderators were awful.

CHRISTIE: Yes, but so what?


CHRISTIE: So that's just a statement of fact. They were not good, all right?

CARLY FIORINA, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're here in Iowa talking to voters instead of being in D.C. talking about debates. We've had no trouble negotiating with the networks. And my policy remains what it's always been. I'll debate anyone, any time, anywhere.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you believe...

FIORINA: ... understand that the media is not going to be fair.


HANNITY: So that's what the candidates were saying about the CNBC debate. Now, let's go back and look at some of these biased questions.  Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is your biggest weakness and what are you doing to address it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this a comic book version of a presidential campaign?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have as much chance of cutting taxes that much without increasing the deficit as you would of flying away from that podium by flapping your arms.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You'd have to cut government by 40 percent to make it work with a $1.1 trillion goal.

CARSON: It's not true. And when...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is true. I looked at the numbers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said yesterday that you were hearing proposals that were just crazy from your colleagues. Who were you talking about?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now you're skipping more votes than any senator to run for president. Why not slow down, get a few more things done first, or at least finish what you start?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It raises the question whether you have the maturity and the wisdom to lead a $17 trillion economy. What do you say?


HANNITY: Here with reaction, RNC chairman Reince Priebus. Reince, how are you? Good to see you.

REINCE PRIEBUS, RNC CHAIRMAN: Nice to see you, too, Sean.

HANNITY: I know there's been some brushback for you on all of this.  What is your response to that, and what is your position going forward?

PRIEBUS: Well, I think that where this is heading I think is in the right place, meaning I think the candidates themselves want to have control, at least some of the candidates want to have control over the formatting question. So opening or closing, you want a two-hour debate or you want a longer than two-hour debate? Do you -- you know? So those sorts of...


HANNITY: ... or whatever it is, they have different positions.

PRIEBUS: How many questions does everyone get? I think that where this is going is actually in a good place where the candidates are going to be more involved on that piece, and then we're going to be involved on the sanctioning of the debate, the calendar, when it is, you know, all the logistics, plus the power and authority to desanction a debate if there's an agreement with the candidates that they're not getting what they want, then they can use the power and leverage of the RNC to desanction a debate.


PRIEBUS: Because otherwise, what happens, then, is that we end up in the middle of a situation where some candidates want a one-minute opening.  Some don't want any opening. Some want a 30-second opening. I mean, that is a bad place for the party to be.

HANNITY: So you don't -- that's not your decision. That's not your role.

PRIEBUS: Well, I think it's a good thing that the candidates have decided that there are a few things that they can all agree on and they're going to pursue them. And we'll support them. I mean, our role is to support what the candidates want, and that's what we should do and that's what we will do.

HANNITY: And you have now assigned a new person just to advocate for them.

PRIEBUS: That's right. So we've got a former chief counsel at the RNC, chief operating officer, Sean Cairncross (ph), who's going to be in charge of negotiating the contracts with the networks. But keep in mind...

HANNITY: NBC's out, right? They're not going to get that debate back.

PRIEBUS: We suspended NBC, but because now, obviously, it's going to be up to the candidates. So we have to -- obviously, we're going to confer with the candidates and see what they want. And by the way, that's at the end of February...

HANNITY: And if they decide to cancel CNN because they're biased, and NBC and ABC because they're biased...

PRIEBUS: We're going to do...


PRIEBUS: We're going to do what the candidates want.


PRIEBUS: Now, again, the challenge with 15 candidates, there's a lot of different opinions.


PRIEBUS: So it's easy to say that this is what we want, this makes sense or that makes sense. Well, maybe not, and not necessarily.

HANNITY: You know what bothered me the most about that debate? We have moderators thinking it's their role to debate the candidates or to make them fight against each other, rather than get to the substance. And I applaud the candidates because I thought in the end, they were very substantive.

Here's what's missing. Under Obama, he will accumulate more debt than every other president before him.

PRIEBUS: They didn't talk about that.

HANNITY: That didn't come up. It didn't come up we have millions more Americans in poverty on food stamps, millions of more Americans out of the labor force. Not once did they bring up how bad Obama's economy has been and how to fix it.

PRIEBUS: In their promises to the candidates and the RNC, CNBC said that they were going to have a financially centered debate, just like their show on "Squawk" in the morning every single day. They've done it before.  They did it four years ago. They're going to talk about technology.  They're going to talk about energy. They're going to talk about strictly financial matters.

And they didn't do it. When this was going on, I was thinking about that scene on "Forrest Gump," when he goes and speaks in front of all of the people on the National Mall, and they pull the electricity.

HANNITY: And Jenny (ph) runs through the water.

PRIEBUS: That's where I said, Where is the circuit breaker in this place?

HANNITY: Yes. So if the candidates decide that George Stephanopoulos is out, he's out.

PRIEBUS: Well, he's already...

HANNITY: He's already out.

PRIEBUS: He's already not...

HANNITY: Right. If they decide that CNN is biased, they're out.

PRIEBUS: Well, but there's things that you can do. I mean, you can work with these networks and say, OK, who are -- who's all the talent that you have on your network? And you say, OK, well, we'd like these two people or these three people. But these are the types of things that we're going to work with the candidates on to make sure that they're satisfied that the right people are up there.

But it doesn't mean that when the curtain goes up and the lights turn on that people don't turn into monsters. I mean, no one can prevent totally that from happening.


HANNITY: So from here on in, all the candidates -- does it have to be a majority? Does it have to be total agreement? Does it to have be consensus? I noticed Ben Carson, for example -- he doesn't even want it on a network, he wants it on line.

PRIEBUS: Well, I mean, I think at -- well, and that's why they're going to be...


PRIEBUS: That's why they had a meeting on Sunday night. When you saw the real narrative in these articles, they said, We need to get together first on our own so we can determine what it is that we can agree on.

HANNITY: And you -- the debate structure, for those who have forgotten, from 2008 to '12, has changed a lot already. You reduced...

PRIEBUS: Of course.

HANNITY: ... dramatically the number of debates.

PRIEBUS: We wanted to do a few things, which was not have a 23-debate calendar that no one could predict. So we -- we're now down to 9 to 12 debates, a reasonable number. We also wanted to have some say over who the moderators are. You know, you can't always dictate to networks that are spending millions of dollars putting these things -- but you know, they're making money, too. Also, we didn't anticipate...


PRIEBUS: Also, when you put this together six months ago, do you anticipate 25 million -- you know, so we're going to do a few things -- reduce the number of debates, have some say over the moderators, and make sure there's a calendar people could count on. But you know, all these...

(CROSSTALK) Right now...

PRIEBUS: ... all these other things the candidates should deal with.

HANNITY: So really, everything's open now. Everything will be revisited. Nothing is set in stone.

PRIEBUS: The calendar is -- the calendar of debates is set. However, everything's going to be revisited. I mean, everything -- you know, so we have the dates, the dates candidates can count on, but everything's going to be revisited with the candidates.

HANNITY: OK. Reince, good to see you.

PRIEBUS: Good to see you.

HANNITY: Appreciate it.

And joining us now with reaction, Fox News legal analyst Peter Johnson, Jr., FOX News contributor Monica Crowley. Peter, what's your reaction to that? After John Harwood and the CNBC debacle...


HANNITY: ... I would say all bets are off. I agree with the chairman.

JOHNSON: Well, you know, that was an assassination squad, as was CNN.  But it's slim pickings, and I think the RNC chairman has done a good job in doing the best he can with this. You know, to get a fair debate out of NBC is like getting a fair debate out of Al Jazeera...


JOHNSON: ... or Russian television. You probably have the same chances. So at some point, the Republican candidates have got to step up and say, We're going to do the best we can with what we have, put their message across. and if the media gets out of control, like they did at CNBC, slap them hard across the head.

The American people will be OK with that. They spend too much time on this. The risk, though, is that they look weak. They're not weak candidates. They're strong candidates. So they've got to get in quickly, get out quickly. Obviously, they have no problem with the FOX Business debate coming up. They've already said that.

HANNITY: They already said that. That's all -- that's set in stone.

JOHNSON: They actually said that, set in stone.

HANNITY: No changes there.

JOHNSON: They know it's going to be fair and balanced.

HANNITY: It's Neil Cavuto. It's going to be Maria. It's going to be a fair debate.

JOHNSON: Yes, it's going to be straight and smart and interesting.  But to get it out of these other folks, that's a tough one.


JOHNSON: That's a tough one.

HANNITY: Monica, what is your reaction at this point? Look, I love the fact they said, NBC, you're out.


HANNITY: I don't blame them. I thought that was the right call.

CROWLEY: Absolutely! Look, Sean, it's long past time that Republicans and conservatives fight back against the left, against the left's wingmen in the press, and frankly, against the establishment forces in their own party who for decades have allowed Republican candidates to walk into lions' dens over and over again.

The truth is that the left is in a war for America. That's how they view it. Therefore, they view Republican candidates as the enemy. And that's how they treat them. You saw it last week at the CNBC debate. But frankly now, so members of the leftist media don't even pretend anymore.  There's no more pretense of even trying to be fair! The bias is out there in the open.

And now, in large part thanks to Donald Trump, who has gone in there and fought back against the influence of the mainstream media, against the length of the debates, against, frankly, the influence of the RNC -- I think this is all to the good. They should all be thanking Trump. And now that they're all together...

HANNITY: You know what's the amazing...

CROWLEY: ... in one big force, I think you're going to see serious changes.

HANNITY: The amazing thing, Peter, is they would never treat Hillary Clinton this way!

JOHNSON: Oh, my God!


JOHNSON: And that brings me to Carly Fiorina. She is dropping behind enemy lines this week and going into "The View," a courageous...

HANNITY: Yes, I agree.

JOHNSON: ... conservative warrior. She's taking the fight to the people that defamed her and made fun of her and saying, I'm not afraid of you. I'm not afraid of your silly comments. I'm going to debate you on the issues and beat you.

HANNITY: All right...

JOHNSON: That is the key to Republicans winning!

HANNITY: We're going to talk about that very thing next. Thank you both for being with us.

CROWLEY: Sure. Thanks, Sean.

HANNITY: And that's next up here on "Hannity."


CARLY FIORINA, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When they don't like the message, they attack the messenger. So my message to the ladies of "The View" is man up.


HANNITY: Kimberly Guilfoyle and Eboni Williams will talk about her going on "The View." They're here with reaction.

Also, more backlash over liberal director Quentin Tarantino's very disturbing comments about cops. His father says he's dead wrong about the police. Quentin Tarantino's father is here with reaction.

All that, plus 2016 Republican contenders Chris Christie and Mike Huckabee as we continue.



HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." 2016 Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina announced earlier today that she will square off with the co-hosts of "The View" later this week. Now, this announcement comes just after "The View" made these very controversial comments about Carly's appearance. Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She kicked off her thing saying, you know, People tell me that I didn't smile enough during the last debate. She looked demented!


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, she did not -- her mouth did not downturn one time. She was, like...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I thought it was a Halloween mask. I love that!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A smiling Fiorina? Can you imagine?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Demented is a strong word. But it looked like she had been practicing that for a long time.


HANNITY: Now, earlier today on "Fox & Friends," Fiorina issued this challenge to the ladies of "The View." Take a look.


FIORINA: My message to the ladies of "The View" is man up. If you want to debate me on policies -- the Obama administration, for example, has been bad for women. Planned Parenthood is harvesting baby parts. If you don't like those facts and those messages, man up and debate me on them.  But don't sink to talking about my face.


HANNITY: And earlier today, Whoopi Goldberg -- she said this on "The View."


WHOOPI GOLDBERG, "THE VIEW": I do want to point out, Carly, that the last time you were here -- and you'll see B-roll running -- we welcomed you to our table. We helped raise your...


GOLDBERG: ... your profile so you would be included in the sea of men. We were respectful and gave you your due. So just so we're all clear, you have to know the difference between when somebody's coming for you and when somebody is paying you a compliment and when somebody is saying, Here's my observation.


HANNITY: All right, here with reaction, the co-host of "The Five," Kimberly Guilfoyle, and FOX News contributor Eboni Williams. Really? She looks demented and her mouth and -- really?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, "THE FIVE" CO-HOST: Yes, listen, it's not -- it's pretty mean-spirited. It's not appropriate I think for other women to speak of other women like that. It's something that men would be criticized very sharply if they did that. In fact, people took issue with Mr. Trump when he made some comments about Carly.

And the point is then don't have a double standard. So if the women - - and they did criticize him for saying something, now they're doing -- calling her demented. That's also suggesting not even just about her physical appearance but saying that there's a mental problem with her.  Why? Because she's being serious on tough issues.

HANNITY: And she's very smart, very well prepared, very meticulous in her debate preparation, very smart.


HANNITY: And very successful. But is it -- have we now gotten to the point that if you're a conservative woman and you look at the Planned Parenthood videos as grotesque and disgusting and maybe you're not pro- choice but you're pro-life, that somehow, you don't fit into the group?  Seems like it.

EBONI WILLIAMS, POLITICAL STRATEGIST: Well, look, Sean, I disagree with many of Carly Fiorina's policies. There's a legitimate way, I feel, for women to criticize other women.

But this is not it. This is childish. It's insulting. It shows them as actually incapable of making a substantive critique of her policies and of her politics. It shows them to be superficial. As Kim said, there's a long line of people that are trying to reduce powerful women to nothing more than their looks. Don't get in that line. I'm very disappointed.

HANNITY: Another article last week that shows that Hillary Clinton as secretary of state paid men on an average $16,000 more a year. Hillary took money from the Saudis and Kuwait and the UAE, all these countries that treat women horribly. It seems like they bought her silence because she doesn't criticize those countries!

GUILFOYLE: Right. And it's really more an ethical issue, and yet she'll accept all kinds of money from donors to create this whole propaganda war on women, right? Yet nevertheless, she's the one that's making sure that men are paid more.

She should really just, like, live her life in a way that is consistent with the rhetoric that she espouses every day on the campaign trail.

And then you saw also real quick, the women on "The View" took credit for Carly's rise in the polls and on the debate stage by saying, Hey, we helped bring you up and raise you up. So she's supposed to say thank you...

HANNITY: Oh, thank you very much!

GUILFOYLE: ... and (INAUDIBLE) at the same time.

HANNITY: Oh, how nice! It's going to be an interesting showdown because she's a great debater, as we have seen in these debates. Christine Quinn, former New York City council speaker -- she raises money, according to Politico, for Hillary's campaign. They were all up in arms against the 73-year-old curmudgeon communist socialist Bernie Sanders because his campaign actually had the unmitigated gall to say, We'll consider her for vice president.

How is that sexist, and quote, "misogynist" and very dangerous?  Here's what she said. "Very dangerous rhetoric that perpetuates sexist and misogynistic stereotypes" because you're considering her for vice president?

WILLIAMS: Well, it's not. And certainly, if Barack Obama had put her as the vice president, that would have been celebrated. You know, I think it's really unfortunate...

HANNITY: No, I don't think it would have -- not by me, anyway!


WILLIAMS: But by her camp at that time.

HANNITY: That's true.

WILLIAMS: That was the number two ticket. Yes, I think it's really unfortunate that, you know, women have made such strides, Hillary Clinton will be the first to take credit much for that, but then you want to play this feminist card, you know, when it's so inopportune. And to your point, Sean, we want all women to have a voice. That's what I thought the women's empowerment was about, not just the most popular voices because...


HANNITY: But haven't we trivialized that? When Mitt Romney, you know, had -- was carrying around women's resumes, quote, "binders," because he wanted to hire women -- we allowed that narrative to advance that somehow, that was anti-woman. That, to me, is pro-woman, proactive, looking to reach out to get the best and brightest.

WILLIAMS: The best and brightest, yes. I think it was framed in a way that it was becoming tokenism. And no marginalized group wants to be...

HANNITY: Really?


HANNITY: ... because he's reaching out and trying to have diversity...

WILLIAMS: That was the framework, right. I think that was the way it was framed and I think...

HANNITY: Unfairly.

WILLIAMS: ... Mitt had an opportunity to say, You know what? That's not it at all. I'm looking for qualified, quality women to put in my administration. That's how you combat that.


GUILFOYLE: And that should be -- it should be that way. And by the way, nobody -- for me, especially, I don't necessarily think, Oh, I have to have, I want to have a female or woman president. I want to have the best candidate that I feel is going to represent the country, and yes, do great things for women and children...

HANNITY:  I think we...

GUILFOYLE: ... and create opportunities.

HANNITY: (INAUDIBLE) KG runs for president...


HANNITY: ... and that would be the antidote for...

GUILFOYLE: It'd be interesting.

HANNITY: Like Hillary says, don't you want a woman president? I'm, like, yes, that would be great.

GUILFOYLE: The right one.

HANNITY: You'd be great, but not her.

GUILFOYLE: When I was on "The View," I said, yes, I would love to have a female president. I said, Condoleezza Rice...


GUILFOYLE: ... is my favorite candidate. That was my job (ph) at mike (ph) moment. They didn't say anything after that.


HANNITY: All right, thank you, guys.

Now, coming up on this busy news night, 2016 Republican candidates Governor Chris Christie and former governor Mike Huckabee join us next.

And then later tonight...


QUENTIN TARANTINO, DIRECTOR: When I see murder, I cannot stand by and I have to call the murdered the murdered and I have to call the murders the murders!


HANNITY: That's Quentin Tarantino at an anti-police rally. He's now facing a massive amount of backlash for his comments, and calls are now growing for people to boycott his films. Tarantino's father said he's, quote, "dead wrong." Tarantino's father joins us coming up straight ahead.



CHRISTIE: We have $19 trillion in debt. We have people out of work. We have ISIS and al Qaeda attacking us, and we're talking about fantasy football? Enough on fantasy football! Let people play. Who cares!


HANNITY: All right, that was Governor Chris Christie calling out the CNBC so-called moderators at last week's Republican debate. Here now with reaction, the man himself, 2016 Republican presidential candidate, the governor of the great state of New Jersey, Chris Christie.

You know, I said this right after the debate. I said the candidates won as a whole, as a group. You, Cruz, Huckabee, Rubio. You went after those moderators hard. You guys all stayed on substance, and that was a huge loss that I think is going to impact media for years to come, decades to come.

CHRISTIE: No question. Listen, what I was trying to say to folks is, we're running for president of the United States. There are huge issues to discuss, and not to get into a back and forth, it wasn't an interview, it was a debate that they were supposed to be moderating. Ask a question, let us give an answer that's fair and then have the discretion to follow-up if they wanted to, but not in the middle of the question, and not with snarky bias-filled responses. And that's what happened. Their biased showed.

HANNITY: You know, the day you announced, you -- a lot of people were jealous I got the first interviews. You just announced you're running for president. Now, I asked you hard questions about immigration and drivers' licenses for illegals and all that. I did my homework. But I felt after you announce, I want you to lay out your vision. You want to be the president. You want the most important job in the world.

Does that happen less and less now? Do these -- do you think these moderators feel that it's their job to debate you?

CHRISTIE: Everybody wants to be Woodward and Bernstein, Sean.


CHRISTIE: Everybody wants to make their...

HANNITY: No, if they did, they'd go after Hillary!


CHRISTIE: No, Woodward and Bernstein for the Republicans because Woodward and Bernstein only went after Richard Nixon. They didn't go after any Democrats, either.

And the fact is, that's the deal. They want to make themselves famous. They're more important. And then they get to brag to their friends at the cocktail parties on the weekends. Look what I did to that Republican.

HANNITY: It's true.

CHRISTIE: And that's what motivates a lot of this stuff. And -- but listen, the other thing I say is, if you want to be president of the United States, you want to debate Hillary Clinton next fall, you got to be tough enough to deal with that.

HANNITY: I got that, but you know what? There's a certain sense, a double standard and unfairness there.

CHRISTIE: Total double standard, by the way. All you got to do is watch the debate on CNN with Hillary and the...

HANNITY: Oh, my God! What's your favorite color?


HANNITY: What's your favorite dog name? What's your favorite cat name? You know...

CHRISTIE: And "Saturday Night Live" did a great send-up on it.

HANNITY: They did.

CHRISTIE: You know, she's using Anderson Cooper's nickname.


CHRISTIE: You know, it was just -- you know...

HANNITY: That was funny!

CHRISTIE: It wasn't far from true.

HANNITY: It wasn't far from true. All right. The president is arguing with the FBI director over the issue of the Ferguson effect. I believe it's real. The president was in your state today.

CHRISTIE: Yes. Well, listen, the president came to my state today to take credit for something he's got nothing to do with. Crime rate since I've been governor is down 20 percent in New Jersey, and the prison population is down 10 percent.

Why? Because what we've done is focus on the real violent criminals, Sean, and we're backing up police officers on the street. In Camden, the murder rate is now down 53 percent in the last three years because we put a new police force in there, and we backed them up and they're working with the community.

HANNITY: Fifty-three percent...

CHRISTIE: In the last three years.

HANNITY: And you don't think we should send the cops out in ice cream trucks, as some are suggesting?


CHRISTIE: No. You know what? Our cops in Camden -- you know what they do? They're out on bicycles. They're out on foot. They're interacting with the community. And when they need to arrest violent people, they're there. And guess what? The community's trusting them to do it, too.

HANNITY: Do you believe this Ferguson effect is real? Because I have talked to many police officers. They're afraid to do their job!

CHRISTIE: Oh, I absolutely believe it's real. As a former law enforcement guy, I believe it. I tell you why else it's going on, because you have folks like Barack Obama and Bill de Blasio and others who don't back up the police, who, in fact, worse than don't back them up, take shots at them, not only don't give them the benefit of the doubt, the benefit of the doubt is against them!

And this president has lost the moral authority to discuss this. And that's why the FBI director is speaking out because the FBI director knows he's -- someone in this administration has to back up law enforcement, so he's doing it.

HANNITY: Last question. Bring us through what happened at the negotiating summit on debates this weekend.

CHRISTIE: Listen, I think it was a lot of discussion about placement of bathrooms and who the moderators might be and all the rest of that. I'm not concerned about that.

HANNITY: How many times did my name -- no, I'm only kidding.


CHRISTIE: I'm not concerned about that. I'll tell you what I want.  Let's get on the stage. Let's debate these issues. Let's have fair questions asked. And then let's test the people up there.

HANNITY: Yes, I agree.

CHRISTIE: You know, that's what's most important. And you saw at the last debate, Sean, the folks who really knew how to handle themselves and are tested and mature and ready for the job -- they did really well.

HANNITY: All right, Governor, good to see you. Thank you for being with us.

CHRISTIE: Great to see you, Sean. Thanks for having me.

HANNITY: Appreciate it. And joining us now, a competitor of yours, 2016 Republican presidential candidate, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee. Governor, how are you? Good to see you.

HUCKABEE: Great to see you, Sean. Nice to be on the show.

HANNITY: Let's talk about this summit this weekend and your thoughts on what happened at this last debate.

HUCKABEE: Well, I wasn't at the summit, but I was at the debate, although there were times I wasn't -- wondered why I even needed to be. I only got three questions all night.

And I think the big concern for many of us is, Look, ask us the hardest questions you want to bring. After all, we are running for president of the United States. We can handle your tough questions. But it's hard to handle your questions when we don't get any.

And I think it's a matter of the allocation of time because the people who are going to vote in the Republican primary need to know what it is we believe, what we're going to do. So challenge me on the fair tax. If you don't think the fair tax is a good idea, bring it on. Let's talk about it.

HANNITY: I actually interviewed you many times about that, which -- I like the fair tax.

HUCKABEE: Absolutely.

HANNITY: And I think that you make a compelling case.

Here's the issue, though. When John Harwood starts advocating and saying -- quoting unnamed sources that say, Well, your idea has as much chance of success as you flying off this stage -- isn't that -- haven't we crossed a line here? And I don't imagine that these moderators would treat Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders that way.

HUCKABEE: Well, they didn't treat them that way in the debate that they had. It was softballs. And, yes, that is no longer an inquiry.  That's an advocacy point of view. It's an editorial comment. Again, I think all of us are big enough to handle that kind of stuff, but it just shows a complete contempt for those who are running for president on the Republican ticket.

But what you said at the beginning of the segment, Sean, I think is the most important point. The real loser of that debate turned out to be CNBC. And the real winners, I think CNBC, let's give them credit, they did one thing I didn't think was possible. They brought all the Republican candidates together on that stage. They brought us together in spirit and unity in our equal contempt about the manner in which that debate was conducted.

HANNITY: I really appreciated what you did during that debate because you, Governor Christie, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz got it all started. You guys took on the media, but you also did something that impressed me, is said I'm wearing a Trump tie and everybody up here would do a much better job than our current president or any of the Democrats running for president. I'm sure that's not easy to do when you want the job, but you did it anyway.

HUCKABEE: Well, look, I think all of us are trying out to be the quarterback, but I want to get the job because I play a better game, not because I broke the legs of the other people trying out. The fact is I don't dislike anybody --

HANNITY: So you're not planning on breaking any fellow Republicans' legs in the course of this? That's good to know.

HUCKABEE: I really -- that's not the point because we have to support each other when the nominee is finally selected. And the cheap shot question I was asked about Donald Trump and his moral authority, I'm going to tell you something, Sean, you know how I can tell you something about Donald Trump's moral authority? Look at the relationship he has with his adult children. They've all turned out to be very successful. They're very respectful, and they love their father. They're very respectful of their father. That tells me everything I need to know about whether or not he has the moral authority.

Now, did I hurt myself as a candidate because I recognized the qualities of another? I don't think so. I don't think America wants to elect a president because he can say horrible things about other Republicans. I think they want to elect one because he's got the kind of executive experience and because he's got the toughness to fight the Clintons, and he's willing to go and take on the tough jobs and the tough challenges.

HANNITY: All right, governor, well said. Thank you so much as always for being with us. We appreciate it.

HUCKABEE: Thank you.

HANNITY: Coming up next tonight right here on "Hannity."


QUENTIN TARANTINO, DIRECTOR: When I see murder, I cannot stand by, and I have to call the murdered the murdered, and I have to call the murderers the murderers.


HANNITY: Quentin Tarantino's anti-cop rhetoric may hurt him big-time at the box office as more police unions all across the country now calling for a boycott of his films. Now, Tarantino's father says his son is, quote, "dead wrong." His father joins us next.

And then later tonight --


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Having the faith -- comment on someone that you're --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not at all. Not at all.


HANNITY: Reaction to those very disturbing comments about Dr. Ben Carson. That and later, much more coming up tonight on "Hannity."



TARANTINO: What am I doing here? I'm doing here because I am a human being with a conscience. And when I see murder, I cannot stand by, and I have to call the murdered the murdered, and I have to call the murderers the murderers.


HANNITY: All right, that was left wing Hollywood director Quentin Tarantino railing against police at an anti-cop rally in New York City last month. Now, these heated remarks are continuing to draw a lot of criticism and police unions now all across the country are calling for a boycott of Tarantino's latest film. Now, even Tarantino's own father is publicly slamming him, calling his son, quote, "dead wrong" for those remarks.

As a matter of fact, here to explain is the man himself, the father of Quentin Tarantino, Tony Tarantino. I got to imagine this is hard for you to criticize your son. He made those remarks at that rally a weekend after a New York City cop was shot in cold-blooded murder. What do you say to that?

TONY TARANTINO, QUENTIN TARANTINO'S FATHER: Yes, that's true. And it's not him I'm criticizing. It's his actions and the things that he had to say on the spur of the moment without taking the time to really think about what he's doing. He didn't look at both sides of the story.

I'm here not just because I'm his biological father, but because of being a concerned citizen for what's right in our communities today. And it's extremely close to me because I have so many relatives on NYPD. I have two cousins on my father's side, Lieutenant Johnny Macerro (ph), a horseback cop retired. His son continued the tradition --

HANNITY: Tony, you say spur of the moment. That didn't sound spur of the moment. This was -- these seemed like planned remarks. He went to the rally. He was prepared to speak. And obviously that's his mindset, because otherwise he wouldn't have said it. That's outrageous.

TONY TARANTINO: Yes, what he did -- what he did and what he said is dead wrong. I, you know, 100 percent on that. I would like to see him come back out and take a second look at what he did and what he said and apologize for it.

HANNITY: Have you talked to him?

TONY TARANTINO: That would help. That would make a difference. No, I haven't. We do not have a good relationship. You know, so --

HANNITY: You know what, I hope you can repair it, and I hope he listens to you, because what you're saying is important. These guys are putting their lives on the line. Cops are dying. Anti-cop rhetoric has never been that bad. It is extraordinarily reckless and dangerous what is being said out there.

TONY TARANTINO: One of my cousins, NYPD, had his back broken on the job. Another one was killed. I saw the misery their families have gone through under those circumstances.

HANNITY: All right, thank you, sir, for being with us. I appreciate it.

TONY TARANTINO: I understand the opposite side of the story.

HANNITY: I hope he takes his father's advice because it's sound counsel. Thank you.

Here with more reaction, former NYPD detective Bo Dietl, NYPD Sergeants Benevolent Association President, Sergeant Ed Mullins. I don't usually support boycotts because people want to boycott, boycott, boycott.  I just, I am so disgusted, because that rhetoric, which is so false, puts people's lives in jeopardy, Bo.

BO DIETL, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: You know, Sean, like we've been talking many a shows, you've got these officers out there putting their lives on the line and they're getting second guessed as it is. Now all of a sudden you have -- when you arrest somebody, somebody's videotaping you, you have a 100-pound female, she doesn't want to be arrested and she resists, it looks ugly. People have to understand --

HANNITY: Wait a minute, doesn't every arrest look ugly? Unless somebody says, OK, it's never going to look good.

DIETL: When this creep comes on, this whatever his name is, he comes on, he starts stirring it up. Why isn't he demonstrating in Chicago? Why isn't he demonstrating where these young kids are, Long Island where a young little girl got shot in the head, 12 years old, sitting into her house? That's what the demonstration should be about.

HANNITY: Sergeant, let me ask you about this boycott. A lot of unions are now joining in. What do you want from Quentin? If he came out and apologized, would you believe him, would you think it's sincere? I don't think he gets it. I think that was the real him.

SGT. ED MULLINS, PRESIDENT, SERGEANTS BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION: I think it is the real him. You look at the history of his movies, he makes anti- Semitic statements in his movies, he has racial statements in his movies.  Miramax Films and Weinstein Group, we're currently supplying the financial investors. They need to take accountability for --

HANNITY: I heard Weinstein's upset because he's worried --

MULLINS: This is all about money and this could even be somewhat of a publicity stunt to draw attention to Tarantino's movie.

HANNITY: Let me play Jamie Foxx defending Tarantino. Here's what he said.


JAMIE FOXX, ACTOR: Quentin Tarantino.


FOXX: I want to say this. Quentin Tarantino, you're a boss. You're absolutely amazing. Keep speaking the truth and keep telling the truth and don't worry about none of the haters. I'm going to let you know that right now.


HANNITY: So in Hollywood it's cool to hate cops.

DIETL: I happen to like Jamie Foxx.

HANNITY: I don't like that remark.

DIETL: I don't like that remark, but really if Hollywood wanted to do something, they'd band together showing what we talk about every night, the unseen violence on the streets. The names that we don't know their names like that little girl in Ferguson who got shot in the head dead. We don't know her name. They just take out these one incident. You got millions, tens of millions of incidents every year with cops with people, interaction. Why all of a sudden is it on cops? It's the Ferguson effect and it's tiresome.

HANNITY: Thank you, guys, for what you're doing. Appreciate it. We got to defend these guys. Their lives are at risk.

And coming up next tonight right here on "Hannity."


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Having the faith --


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- comments on someone that you're --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not at all. Not at all.


HANNITY: Nasty comments said about Dr. Benjamin Carson on NBC. We'll explain that and much more straight ahead.  



CHARLIE ROSE: Senator, you called Hillary Clinton a liar.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO, R-FLA., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, no, I said Hillary Clinton lied about Benghazi. There's no doubt about that, Charlie.  There are e-mails in which she was talking to her family and she was telling them there was an attack on that consulate that was due to a terrorist attack by Al Qaeda elements. And then she was going around the country talking to the families of the victims and to the American people and saying, no, no, this is because of some video that someone produced --

ROSE: Senator, you know --

RUBIO: She absolutely lied about it.


   HANNITY: GOP presidential candidate Senator Marco Rubio literally schooling Charlie Rose. Joining us with reaction from "The Weekly Standard" Steve Hayes, chairman of the American Conservative Union, the ACU, Matt Schlapp, and Fox News contributor Deroy Murdock. Yes, she lied.  She told Chelsea, the Libyan president, the Egyptian prime minister one thing and us something else. That's a lie.

DEROY MURDOCK, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: That's exactly right. I like to say people died, Hillary lied. She sent out a statement at 10:32 saying some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the internet. And 40 minutes later she contacts Chelsea Clinton and said we lost a couple of our people in Benghazi by an Al Qaeda like group. What Hillary Clinton basically did was go around and tell people privately that Al Qaeda did this. Whenever she got in front of a microphone to tell the public she said it was a video.  That's called lying.

MATT SCHLAPP, CHAIRMAN, AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION: Charlie Rose is one of these journalists --

HANNITY: Don't call him a journalist. He's a talk show host that poses as a journalist.        

DEROY MURDOCK: He's a center-left opinionist if anything else, and he goes to the Clinton Global Initiative, and he's part of their friends.  And they're like a momma bear when the baby bear is in trouble, and they know she's vulnerable as hell on Benghazi, and that is why they are shouting with all their lungs.

HANNITY: And Steve Hayes, all their efforts to rehabilitate her I don't think worked because those are going to be campaign ads. The timeline that Deroy just mentioned, that is an ad.

STEVE HAYES, SENIOR WRITER, "THE WEEKLY STANDARD": Yes. I think Deroy got it exactly right. I have a little bit of a different take. I find Charlie Rose's pretty interesting sometimes, and when he goes in and does in depth interview he seems to know his stuff. He sometimes elicits I think very interesting and important --

HANNITY: How many more times can he have Nicholas Kristof on, or whatever the --

HANNITY: Right. But in this interview, he was just dead wrong. He was wrong repeatedly. And what I thought is interesting was that Marco Rubio knew the issue to push back at Charlie Rose and say no, no, no, you're not going to push me around. It was a contrast to what happened between Candy Crowley a few years ago and Mitt Romney on the debate stage.

HANNITY: Wasn't that just like Ted Cruz at the debate? That was a moment.

HAYES: It was, yes.

HANNITY: I think the world changed. Let me give you another example.  Listen to how they treat Ben Carson on NBC. Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's really important thing of people supporting him because, oh, there is another black man commenting or negatively against the president, and I don't feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor. And so here is someone who can do it --


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that's a problem.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The question was, what was he doing? He was attacking the president and he was going after him in such a way that was very well pointed out where the issues were with the president, with Obamacare and other things. And given his narrative and his history and his bio, which is fantastic --


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Having the safe --  

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not at all, not at all.


HANNITY: Deroy, just like the media won't ask Hillary questions, who says these things?

MURDOCK: It's unbelievable. Comments have been thrown at Ben Carson.  Whether you agree or disagree with the man, he is a very smart man, a pediatric neurosurgeon, a man of tremendous accomplishment, and he gets called a safe negro here. A University of Pennsylvania professor Anthea Butler said that he would make good winner of the, quote, "Coon of the year award." Unbelievable.

HANNITY: Unbelievable. The double standard is so transparent.

SCHLAPP: I think he needs to separate her brain. I mean, what the hell is she thinking?


HANNITY: That is sexist. Hang on. I'm sure they'll come up with some criticism.

But, Steve, what do you think the Republican candidates, president candidates ought to do now, knowing the world now sees this bias, it was called out for everybody to see, what should they do?

HAYES: Yes, I think they're right to keep calling it out. I think some of the specifics on their list of demands seem a little small and petty, but I don't have a problem with them challenging overall the fact that the moderators have been biased, or certainly in the CNBC debate were biased. I think it's appropriate to push back in real time. As you said, Sean, Senator Cruz used that to tremendous effect, I think created a moment for himself. I was sort of stunned at how he was able to list up every offensive question that the others had received. It was a good moment for him.

HANNITY: I agree. I wish we had more time. We have a lot more to talk about. We'll have you guys back soon. Good to see you in town, by the way.

MURDOCK: Thanks, Sean.

HANNITY: And thank you. We've got to take a break. We'll have more HANNITY and a special tribute to a dear friend we lost over the weekend.  That's next.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Over the weekend, all of us here at this program were heartbroken to learn the sad news that actor and former senator, a great American, a dear friend, Fred Thompson, he passed away at the age of 73. Fred was a frequent guest on this program, even filled in for me as host, and here are a few highlights from over the years.


FRED THOMPSON: Two weeks and a day are all that remain before the Iowa caucuses. Good evening, I'm Fred Thompson in tonight for my good friend, Sean.

I above all else know that, you know, you can be born into modest circumstances in this country, but you're blessed in ways that kings of gold could not even begin to contemplate. You're born with a legacy of freedom and independence and free choice.

HANNITY: Good to see you, senator. We really appreciate you being here. And we're take a break. Do you want to throw the football?  

THOMPSON: Not especially.  


HANNITY: We'll continue --

THOMPSON: It's not a real football.

HANNITY: It is a real football!


HANNITY: Our thoughts and prayers are with Fred's wife Jeri, their kids, the entire Thompson family. He was a dear friend. We'll miss him a lot. God speed, Fred Thompson.

That's all the time we have left this evening. We'll see you back here tomorrow night.

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