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Republican voters weigh in on CNBC debate on 'The Kelly File'

On 'The Kelly File,' Republican voters weigh in on issue of media bias, moderator conduct

 

This is a rush transcript from "The Kelly File," October 29, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MEGYN KELLY, HOST: Breaking tonight. Less than 24 hours after a debate that even some liberal media outlets describe as a, quote, "train wreck," some of the candidates are now demanding answers as to how things went so off the rails.

Welcome to "The Kelly File" everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. We have new reports tonight that several campaigns are furious sounding off in the Republican National Committee and the moderators and are now demanding changes for debates in the future. In fact, the two-hour shout fest got so ugly last night between the CNBC host and some of the people on that stage that almost every candidate who participated has since made time to register their complaints.

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GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE, R-N.J., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The moderators just didn't do their job last night. In a number of areas. Not only were the questions snarky and divisive and non-substantive, they were just biased.

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MIKE HUCKABEE, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We turned this into a game show. And those of us who are running, you know, we're doing this with a very serious intent. And I just sometimes feel like that the whole process has gotten out of control.

DR. BEN CARSON, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think they've obviously had an agenda. And when I compare them to the kind of questions that were asked of the Democrats and their debates, the difference is night and day.  The audience was able to pick up on the bias.

SEN. RAND PAUL, R-KY., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I saw more unity among the Republican field mainly because they were all unified against the moderators and the crowd also sensed that the moderators seemed to be a bit biased with all of their questions.

SEN. TED CRUZ, R-TEXAS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And in these debates, the media tries. Every question is an insult.  Every question is an attack. Every question is asking one republican to attack another Republican. You know, they don't do that to the Democrats.

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KELLY: So are the complaints justified? Was there really bias? Or were there tough questions? Here's just a little of what unfolded.

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JOHN HARWOOD, CNBC ANCHOR: Is this a comic book version of a presidential campaign?

DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No, it's not a comic book.  And it's not a very nicely asked question, the way you say that.

HARWOOD: I talked to economic advisors who have served presidents of both parties. They said that you have as much chance of cutting taxes that much without increasing the deficit as you would of flying away from that podium with flapping your arms --

CARL QUINTANILLA, CNBC ANCHOR: You want to bring the 70,000 pages to three?

CARLY FIORINA, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That's right. Three pages. You know why three?

CHRISTIE: What we should do is to be investing in all types of energy, John. All types of energy.

HARWOOD: In government?

CHRISTIE: No, John. Do you want me to answer? Or do you want to answer?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

I've got to tell you the truth, even in New Jersey, what you're doing is called rude.

QUINTANILLA: So when the Sun-Sentinel says, Rubio should resign, not rip us off, when they say Floridians sends you to Washington to do a job, when they say you act like you hate your job, do you? Does that not speak to your vetting process or judgment in anyway?

CARSON: No, it speaks to the fact that I don't know that it's going --  

(AUDIENCE BOOING)

See. They know.

HARWOOD: Leading Republican candidate. When you look at the average of national polls right now is Donald Trump. When you look at him, do you see someone with the moral authority to unite the country?

(AUDIENCE BOOING)

CRUZ: Look at the question. Donald Trump, are you a comic book villain? Ben Carson, can you do math? John Kasich, will you insult two people over here? Marco Rubio, why don't you resign? Jeb Bush, why have your numbers fallen? How about talking about the substantive issues here?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

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KELLY: And, now, as Senator Cruz suggested, let's contrast that with the tone and tenor of some of the questions to the Democrats, not this is on another network, hosted just a week earlier.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Governor Kasich, who or what is the greatest national security threats to the United States?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, Governor O'Malley, please tell Ana how you would protect better than environment better than all the other candidates up on that stage.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Secretary Clinton, what would you do for African-Americans in this country that President Obama couldn't?

DANA BASH, CNN ANCHOR: Senator Sanders plan to expand Social Security, to make Medicare available to all Americans. Is that something you would support?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: We have got a terrific panel of nearly 30 voters lined up for you tonight. Folks from all political backgrounds. Some of whom will be casting a ballot for the very first time. They are all here, they are all Republicans and they all have very strong feelings about what they saw last night. All right. Let's start with Howard kicking it off which is media bias and whether it was or was not present last night. Raise your hand if you thought that the moderators as the candidates that's charging were biased. Wow! Let's try it this way. Raise your hand if you did not think that. Wow! What is the evidence of that? What did you see, specifically, in the back? Hold on. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't even know what fantasy football is, and I could care less. This is not an issue that needs to be addressed. We need to address the real issues in this country. And to me, it was just a game.  It was a comedy of errors.

KELLY: What else did you guys say? Go ahead in front.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One thing that was interesting with CNBC, I was expecting more substantive debate in connection with business issues.

KELLY: Uh-hm. The economy. Right? The subject.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The moderators were just terrible when it came to that. I was expecting a more robust conversation in connection with how these candidates were going to effectively deal with the economy and we just didn't get it.

KELLY: Uh-hm. What else? Go ahead, in front.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well --

KELLY: Yes, go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The fact that we're in $18 trillion worth of debt as a nation is an issue that should be discussed. Not whether Marco Rubio took money from his 401k and his -- receiving, that's not an issue.  Our country has serious issues like ISIS and, you know --

KELLY: Don't you think it was an issue. They were trying to get at - - can you manage the country's finances if you can't manage your own, do you think that's fair?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think that's fair.

KELLY: What were they trying to get at?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. They were manipulating the question.  Coercing the answers to fit a narrative and, in doing so, they cheated the American people, the undecided voters from really -- out to think about whom they would prefer come election time.

KELLY: What did you make of the tone? Because I'll tell you, in listening to the questions as a moderator, I thought they could have gotten away with a lot of these questions if they had ended them differently as we called it in our own debate prep. The dismount. If the dismount had been more respectful and if they didn't ask them and quite the tone that they chose. What did you think?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just like you sort of pointed out. They had the candidates up there trying to justify themselves, their policy positions, their personal lives, to the moderators. Rather than trying to use as a form for educating all the voters out there who have to make a very important decision very soon.

KELLY: Uh-hm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your tone is very snarky. And you could sense the attitude on them. And I got to tell you as a Republican, I feel vindicated. Because whenever I talk to someone who are liberal Democrat and they say, where did you get your information from? I say FOX News.  Oh, FOX News. Well, you know what, now we see where the mainstream media, the way they're leaning, they're leaning to the liberal left. And now I feel vindicated and I can see more and more how FOX News is fair and balanced.

KELLY: We are tough on both sides. I think our debate proved that.  Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let me point out one specific country, the tune in the personal finance question that was raised earlier when it comes to Marco Rubio. Let's see if CNBC asks Hillary Clinton, you were dead broke.  Does that make you qualified?

KELLY: Uh-hm. And in defense of Anderson Cooper who I thought did a good job in that democratic debate. You know, he has not yet hosted a GOP debate. So that was not really an apples to apples comparison. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The moderators were also argumentative. They tended to interrupt. They were disruptive. They interrupted the answers.  I find that they're argumentative with the candidates.

KELLY: That was another thing. Because I'll tell you, we talked about this a lot at the FOX News debate. Are we going to interrupt the candidates if they have a minute to answer? Do we interrupt them in the middle of their minute or did they get that minute to say -- and our own policy among the three of us was if it's really egregious, if they've gone completely off the rails and they're offering talking with them, nothing to do with it. Then we'll kick them back in. But, otherwise, that's their time to use as they wish. They took a different tactic. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I feel really unprepared. They didn't have their sources. Becky was like, oh, didn't you say or what have you?

KELLY: That was the worst moment of the debate.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was. But there was a moment where they had the opportunity to ask Jeb Bush when they were asking about income inequality. They could have tied back to his support for common core which is usually unpopular with Republican voters. And instead of doing that, they asked about fantasy football and things that we actually don't care about.

KELLY: Are there any lawyers in this crowd? Raise your hand if you're a lawyer. Okay. Okay. In training. So, I mean, the first thing they teach you when you're going to impeach your witness, right? When a witnesses told you something and you know you've got them and you denied it, is you have your impeachment evidence ready, you have it at the ready.  Whatever you want to say about the moderators bias or unbiased, why did we see a debate moderator asking the candidate where she got her information from? Why? Why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were looking to engage. They were looking to argue. And that's the way it came off. They didn't look like they really were trying to get at the issue at hand. They were trying to make the candidates look poor.

KELLY: But having said that, did anybody out here think it was a tactic by the Republicans to be so indignant? A tactic. You do? You think they milked it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely. They circled the wagon. It was a tactic. It was a good tactic and it worked. I mean, the moderators are unprofessional. It was the worst moderated debate I've ever seen.

KELLY: It's a strange way, so you get, you know, Chris Christie looking at the press in saying, you're being rude. You're rude, right? So go ahead in the middle. Here. Right here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi. One of the things that I thought was most egregious was, do you remember I think was Trump that he answered one of the questions and then he actually went and they did a fact check during the break and came back and said --  

KELLY: That's because he gave him and the answer that wasn't true.  That was the Becky Quick question where she said, where did I get my information from? He said, I have no idea. She said, I'm sorry. She was right. Clearly her producers said in her ear, Becky, you are right, you just don't have your information. So, she tried when she came back to raise it. But the viewers were lost like you proved tonight. That's why it's our responsibility as the moderators to have our facts correct.  That's the obligation we have to you because your representatives.

Okay. We have so much more that we are going to tonight. So, standby. It is not just the moderators taking heat tonight. As we hear new demands that the RNC, the Republican National Committee changed things for the future. Should Reince Priebus be fired? That part of the story is next.

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BRAD WOODHOUSE, PRESIDENT, CORRECT THE RECORD: The big looser here was the Republican Party and Reince Priebus. They picked CNBC. They picked the moderators. They picked the formula.

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QUICK: Your board fired you. I just wondered why you think we should hire you now.

QUINTANILLA: Last week, a marketing study called warehouse retailer the number one gay-friendly brand in America. Partly because of its domestic partner benefits. Why would you serve when a company whose policies seem to run counter to your views on homosexuality.

CHRISTIE: That's why I think these ideas up here are great and that's what we should have. More discussions like this and less gotcha.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: While the critics continue to hammer CNBC for tone and style in last night's debate, they're not the only ones feeling the heat this morning. A number of conservatives now raising hard questions about the RNC. And why the organization agreed to let the business channel host, despite warnings from publications like the Federalists, which recently ran the profile on the lead moderator under the headline, "CNBC's John Harwood has no business moderating a GOP presidential debate." And she went for a many examples on him appearing in her view, the author's view, Mollie Hemingway to be biased toward the left.

Back now with our panel of voters. All right. So does anyone here hold the RNC accountable for what happened?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely.

KELLY: Yes, you do? Why?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's a brand. RNC is a brand. And any brand needs to protect itself. And you don't see this in the democrat. Yes, it's partly the bias. It's partly because the DNC is smart and they know - - I'm sure they set up ground before these debates. And they say, here's what you can ask, here's what you can't ask. And the RNC needs to get --

KELLY: No. No way. No legitimate journalist would agree to those terms. No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'd like to ask a question. That's not going to happen. I don't think you can blame Priebus for this. You have to put it all on those moderators. And the fact that they look like they were trying to light up the candidates and get them to argue with each other instead of talking about a top --  

KELLY: Well, but contrast that. Because we saw a CNN debate hosted by Jake Tapper with the GOP, that really did try to get the candidates to go at each other and something like that, some didn't like that. But this seemed different. The criticism about this one seemed different. And I will say this to you, Reince Priebus did try to get a conservative on every panel, every debate panel. And I asked Sean Spicer last night who it was last night. He said, it was Rick Santelli who I think had two words. But he was there. I mean, should that have done it? This guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who's talking about Rick Santelli this morning?  Who's talking about any of the -- there were two major conservative questions were asked and nobody's talking about that. You want to sit here and blame the media. You have to look at also the candidates but also the people. If there's not some sort of shocking all value that comes out of these debates, then they don't get any traction. So, it's kind of like maybe I'm coming from a journalistic point of view, they had to sit there and do this. If this was another boring -- this would have been a boring debate, this panel would not be happening tonight. We'd be moving onto other issues.

KELLY: Go ahead in the back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Being antagonistic is not so terrible. It makes for good television. It guarantees there will be a big audience for the next Republican debate.

KELLY: It may be interesting for me, I will say that. I was riveted.  Go ahead in the back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But really important though, we got to see a side of Ted Cruz and Chris Christie. I think we want to see otherwise, we saw them as pugilist last night.

KELLY: So, they did him a favor --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we got to see that. And we wouldn't have otherwise.

KELLY: Uh-hm. Go ahead in the front.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm 18 years old. I'm going to cast my first vote. I wanted to hear about issues. I want to know what's going on, I want to make an informed vote. And from this debate, I can't do any of that. All I know is that they pitted candidates against each other and that's it.

KELLY: Can I say, back to Reince Priebus in the RNC, there's only so much he can do. I mean, I will tell you when the RNC came to FOX News and said, we're making all the news networks put a conservative pundit on their panel, we said no, you're not. FOX News will decide who's moderating this debate. And Roger Ailes made that decision. What the other networks did was their business. But I think we proved we will be tough on both sides.  Right? So I think this is on the network's shoulders. You tell me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I don't think so Megyn because when Reince Priebus made this deal. It should have gone both ways, are we going to see Sean Hannity hosting a debate with the Democrats? No.  

KELLY: Uh-hm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, she would have gone both ways. Have there been an even exchange --

KELLY: But isn't it -- because these are journalists who may possibly have a leftward leaning view of the world. Right? They're not pundit.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's obvious.

KELLY: It's not like you put Rachel Maddow out there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. But even then you don't have the Democrats --

KELLY: Okay. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- democratic talking points. When Becky did this thing about the 70 cents on a dollar for women, that is explicitly false. It is a talking points of Democrats.

KELLY: What did you think of her comment, our cause when she referred to it? The women here. How did you feel about that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Incredibly partisan. It was partisan.

KELLY: Was it insulting? Why? Why was it insulting?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is our cause? It's not my cause. It's not her cause. It's not our cause.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then why did you put a price tag in the work of women? That's what I love about this -- every time she says that, then she says, the time I play with my children, the PTO, it's not worth anything because there's not a dollar amount attached to it. To me, it's worth me taking that price cut or that cut my salary so I can be at that meeting or be at that party.

KELLY: Uh-hm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you know, what? It's this assumption that, you know, women only care about how much they pay. It's important. I like money. Money is important. Money is great. But it's not the only thing that's affecting women.

KELLY: What do you think is going to happen next? Because, you know, here, you tell me, because FOX News has proven that it's going to be tough on both sides and yet FOX News has no Democrat debates. No Democrat debates. Right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The DNC is controlling their process in a way that Reince Priebus is not. Just look at the -- their whole role process means, if you step outside of their debate, the ones that they've approved, then you are banned from the remainder of the debates on the DNC side. We don't do anything like that on our side.

KELLY: But he is trusting that the media will do their job. Right.  That they will not be in the tank. He shouldn't. He should not.

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KELLY: This is like that moment with meet the parents. Do you think you can trust people that? No, you cannot. The answer is no.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Megyn, the candidates are setting the standard though. The candidates are the ones -- they're still going on the other networks. When was the last time Hillary Clinton came on FOX News.

KELLY: Okay. But is that not a disservice to Hillary and a service to the Republican. So, these guys will be battle tested when they go into the general -- they may have some dings from a few hits they took but who will emerge the stronger candidates?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All Reince is doing, he's following these candidates, he's following along with what they're wanting. The candidates are the ones that are setting the agenda.

KELLY: Why can't the candidates handle Becky Quick? Why can't they handle John Harwood? That's the thing. So, what value is there in complaining about the process? Those three moderators say, come on, like I've said myself, you want George Washington's job, let's go, come on. You can't handle me? Let's do it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Megyn. But also -- last night it was the first time the candidates united. You saw that testudo effect where they put the shell over all the candidates to fight back against the media. And I think that's going to be a game-changer for the rest of the folks who are hosting this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Depending on where they're going, depending on what network is going to be doing these debates, it's clear that CNBC did a great disservice to the entire American public. Because for those like this young lady in the front who are trying to decide, first of all the GOP has to clear out the -- there's still too many of these people up here.  You know, they clearly know they're running against Hillary Clinton.  Right? So now you have to decide other remaining GOP candidates who is going to be the best one to go up against her.

KELLY: Oh, it's funny you should mention that. Because that's happen to be the topic of our next discussion. Standby. Standby. Less than 24 hours since the end of the Republican debate and the highest marks are going to three people in particular. That part of the story and who this crew thinks is the best position to take on the possible democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, next.

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CHRISTIE: We have $19 trillion in debt. We have people out of work.  We have ISIS and al-Qaeda attacking us and we're talking about fantasy football? Enough on fantasy football. Who cares?

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KELLY: Just less than 24 hours since the end of the Republican debate. And so far, the highest marks seem to be going to Senator Marco Rubio, Senator Ted Cruz and Governor Chris Christie with NPR declaring Rubio, Cruz, Chris Christie improved their standing in third GOP debate.  Well, Breitbart reports Chris Christie has a breakout night at the GOP debate. The Washington Post touches on Senator Cruz's big moment writing that Cruz wins social media and GOP debate. And here's a couple of the moments getting the most attention.

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CHRISTIE: -- Fantasy football? Wait a second. We have $19 trillion in debt, we have people out of work, we have ISIS and al-Qaeda attacking us and we're talking about fantasy football? Can we stop? Can we stop?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

CRUZ: You know, let me say something at the outset. The questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the American people don't trust the media.

(APPLAUSE)

RUBIO: Someone has convinced you that attacking me is going to help you.

I'm not running against anyone on the stage. I'm running for president. Because there's no way we can elect Hillary Clinton to continue the policies of Barack Obama.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: And we're back now with our panel. All right. So let's just go through those three since people are saying -- how many people think that Ted Cruz won that debate? How many people think Marco Rubio won it?  Wow! So Marco Rubio clearly has the majority. Now, how many here think they're going to vote for Marco Rubio? Uh-hm. And how many people think they're going to vote for Ted Cruz? How many people think Chris Christie?  Donald Trump? How about, who's the next one? The next one?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jeb Bush.

KELLY: Jeb bush, there you go. You and the corner. Oh. You're still with Jeb.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

KELLY: Tell us why.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He has the best economic record in the field. He has the best pro-growth economic plan. Look in seven years in the Obama economy, wages are still stagnant and people have left the work force. We need to be electing the candidate who was the best ideas for our economy.  Not the one who has the most entertaining insults, who is the most entertaining. That's the person who I need to pick. And in my mind, Jeb Bush is the one who picks the economy.

KELLY: They're fired up. Yes, okay, go ahead. Let's start with you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The problem with that, at least from my perspective is, you know, Jeb Bush poked a bear last night and you could just watch the life drain out of him.

KELLY: The bear swatted back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bear swatted back and he just melted.

KELLY: You're talking about Rubio. How significant do you think that moment was? Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let's just declare here. For every mom out there, if you don't understand who Jeb Bush is, he's one of the originaires of common core, I felt like last night Marco Rubio stuck a fork in that candidacy and it's over, I'm waiting for him to drop out so we can see those points go to someone who deserves them. He can't be our next president. We've had enough Bushs and Clintons, it's time to let that go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I agree with the first comment. Jeb Bush is qualified, yes. He does have a great history, yes. He has run a government, yes. But like this young lady said, he was originally a common core.

KELLY: That speaks for you. That speaks for you, common core.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And also, do we want a Bush-Clinton face-off, I don't think so. I think we need a fresh face to go after Hillary.

KELLY: Okay. What about Ted Cruz because he's done solidly well in these debates. But he hasn't really, you know, sort of had this moment.  Do we think this is his moment?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's another senator. And we've had years as senator.

KELLY: Yes. But he hates Washington. He hates it more than you hate it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that's the problem with mainstream electability.

KELLY: He does?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that's the problem.

KELLY: Is that matter to you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it does in terms of picking the candidate who is best able to win the mainstream, Middle America to swing voter. And I don't think that --

KELLY: Who do you think that is?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's Marco Rubio. Because Americans are looking for the next Ronald Reagan. Someone who --

KELLY: But you know the objection of Marco Rubio. Apart from the fact that he's -- immigration. For whom is that a deal breaker here? Kat?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

KELLY: Why? You like Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. And speaking of mainstream electability, we're talking about a guy that has a 100 percent name recognition who was internationally known for strength --

KELLY: Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And most of these polls Megyn do not include the Independents that are coming out to these rallies that he's having everywhere even Democrats. (INAUDIBLE) are two young black women who are running a registration page called Digin Switch (ph). They're telling people to drop the Democrats and let's get onboard with the Trump train.  That's mainstream.

KELLY: Go ahead, Scottie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is what I don't understand. We're 13 months out. Let's do a reality check here. Why are we all getting on one person? When you have 17 people and their grandmother running for the candidacy, there's a good chance that your guy is going to be out.

KELLY: Who do you want out? Who do you want to drop out?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I think we need a team right now. We need a conservative team. We need people like Trump and Cruz.

KELLY: You can't have a team.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right now. But 13 months -- 13 months out that we need the change.  

KELLY: Yes. You in the back, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I was just going to say, my criticism of Rubio, for as much as every day is excited about, the way he responded to Jeb, that was a rehearsed answer.

KELLY: Uh-hm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So everything that I heard from Marco Rubio last night sounded very rehearsed. Chris Christie focused on the economy and focused on security. And that's what I care about.      

KELLY: What about Chris Christie? For those of you who thought Chris Christie did well but are not prepared to vote for him. Why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought he did well.

KELLY: He's living in New Jersey.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here's the problem with Chris Christie --

KELLY: Do you like him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I live in New Jersey. Do I like him? Look, Chris Christie had a great moment, but, unfortunately, Chris Christie is not a conservative. He is not. He had a great moment. And he did -- I mean, when he called out that guy --

KELLY: I know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- and said, that's rude, he was saying the right thing. That guy was rude to him.

KELLY: Who do you want to drop out?

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: Kasich and Rand Paul, any other?

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anyone who's polling below three percent.

KELLY: Anyone below.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anyone who's polling below three percent nationally.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Graham.

KELLY: Graham? Oh, Graham. Oh -- Jindal. I'm talking about the upper card debate, with all due respect. OK.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: How much time do I have? OK, we have a second. Carly Fiorina, what about her?

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: Needs to go, harsh. No. That does not need to go.

(CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That was the one thing last night that was disappointing. CNBC knew her record (inaudible) and talk or disapprove it after the last of it.

KELLY: You're anti Fiorina, why? Why?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you can (inaudible) 60 percent for the stock and 24,000 people are out of jobs and you sit there and you take the biggest severance package ever and you claim that that was success.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: You are not a moderator on that GOP debate.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: Go ahead.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, when you're CEO of a large corporation, you have a board to report to you. If you're on business, you have people to report to you. So you can't just blame her. And again, there's politics in the board.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: She is making the point that she can debate Hillary Clinton like nobody did.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Their ex-girlfriend debating their ex-wife. I mean, it's not going to be a great thing.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: Oh. Wow. Let's continue that.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: Oh, we're just getting fired up. But we have to go because we have another segment coming up right next. Because up next, there are mounting calls for Jeb Bush to get out of this race after he was edged out by his former prot,g,e at last night's debate. Now those two had a (inaudible) about it and then we're going to talk some of these other guys who only wish they could have a moment, next.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JEB BUSH, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Marco, when you signed up for this, this was a six-year term. And you should be showing up to work. I mean literally, the Senate -- what is this, like a French work week? You have like three days where you have to show up? You can campaign. Or just resign and let someone else take the job.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO, R-FLA., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Someone has convinced him that attacking me is going to help him.

BUSH: I've been.

RUBIO: Here's the bottom line. I'm not --

(APPLAUSE)

RUBIO: My campaign is going to be about the future of America. It's not gonna be attacking anyone else on this stage. I'm not running against Governor Bush. I'm not running against anyone on this stage. I'm running for president because there is no way we can elect Hillary Clinton to continue the policies of Obama.

(CROSSTALK)

(APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: Well, political pundits across the country including our own Chris Stirewalt, suggesting that moment was the beginning of the end for the Bush campaign. Just take a look at some of these headlines. The Weekly Standard, "Jeb's Dead: Adios, Amigo." CNN saying, "Jeb Bush Looks Back for Inspiration to Go Forward" and The Telegraph asking, "Was Jeb Bush's Debate Performance a Warm Kiss of Death?" We're back now with our panel. Too harsh? I mean let me -- in Stirewalt defense, what he said was, it wasn't - - that wasn't the death now. It's just showed the man and that his heart is not in it. Do you believe that?

PANEL: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His heart was not in it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you. I believe that it shows that his heart is in it. I mean, if you can't handle question from Marco Rubio on that, how you are going to be able to handle the country when you have international leaders trying to attack us? I mean -- I think he was very lackluster last night.

KELLY: You, with the red tie.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Me?

KELLY: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, thank you. Well, I think.

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think what frankly, I would agree -- what you need is -- you need somebody that's energetic, that's truly passionate about it.

KELLY: You bought the law energy thing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Unfortunately, it's the truth. I mean the truth speaks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But he's (inaudible) the ball since last week.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's trying to pick campaign staff.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry, but that is like.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: What about you John, because you're still a believer, why? I mean I -- even though he's had some lackluster debate performances. Why?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well first of all, CNBC didn't give him an opportunity to respond. Second, I think a lot of people said the same things about John McCain in 2008, so I think it would -- might be a little early to run off a candidate -- it's right off the candidate.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: There was a reason why. Do you think slow and steady wins the race? What about Trump? He -- was he a factor all last night?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: Hold on. Let her (inaudible) as much, and you, in the orange -- in front.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I thought it was a factor last night. I thought that -- he was kind in the middle, you know, he said more than other, he said less about -- but I kind of.

KELLY: Did he sway anybody over to his side? Anybody?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Megyn, I saw three separate polls where he had over 50 percent in three separate polls.

KELLY: You're talking about winning the debate?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

KELLY: Yes. That is true. However, those are online polls. So you understand how the online poll works, right?

(LAUGHTER)

KELLY: You can vote 50 -- 50 times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will you think his wife is sitting here like this clicking the button?

KELLY: I have no idea. I think Melania has got better things to do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think?

(LAUGHTER)

KELLY: But I mean that's why we never say online polls here at the Fox News channel. It's just go in here (inaudible) unreliable. In any event -- go ahead on Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trump took a whole different approach last night, instead of being bombastic he has been, he was much more presidential.

KELLY: Did you like that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I like that. Christie was relaxed. He was calm. And then after the debate, when he was actually able to answer the questions, he answered them perfectly.

KELLY: You don't like that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. I thought he was just closing his mouth because he didn't want to get in trouble and he's medicating his wrists. He's on autopilot because he knows that if he opens his mouth, the American people will see that he's racist and offensive.

KELLY: Oh.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Megyn?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

KELLY: No. Not all

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think Trump closes his mouth for anybody. I think everybody in this room knows that.

KELLY: But he was subdued.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is what I want to say. People need to make up their mind about Trump. Do you want him to be loud and bombastic? Or do you want him subdued? He can't win either way.

KELLY: What do you want?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want him to be Trump. The model.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let Trump be Trump. And he had.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hold on. Hold on.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But he's way too sensitive.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hold on.

KELLY: Go ahead. Yes, we have.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's way too sensitive. Like you say something about Trump -- he fought us back. He got.

KELLY: I don't know about that? What is that like?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just like Obama.

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exactly. Just like Obama. You say something about Obama, he gets all (inaudible).

(APPLAUSE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't want that as a president. I want someone that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But (inaudible).

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But that's the thing. That's because he's on it. You said it first. He attacks him first then he actually goes on a deep end. It's not he's going on the offense.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: What about his attack on Carson's face? On Carson being low.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Carson attack first. Carson first, on his face (inaudible).

KELLY: But Ben Carson apologized and that was months ago.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, so that means you expect...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He attacked his face. Trump didn't attack Carson.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: But Ben Carson apologized and months went by and Trump acknowledged that and said he was a good man.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He should apologize.

KELLY: Right. But then months went by and Carson didn't attack and then Trump came out and attacked Carson again.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: And he said he's low energy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that's -- but that's the truth.

KELLY: And he said some things are going to come out about him and hid medical.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, it's just pointing out the truth folks. You guys wanted, but he can't handle this.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: OK, but your point -- you say he only counter-attack, then I suggests you -- that maybe.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let's not forget he has done. That he build his career on questioning this president citizenship. I think that is not a qualification for the White House. This is also a president -- if you look at data from Gallup, Hispanics are negative 51 percent at this -- Trump. And so this is -- could just mean the Republican Party, if you care about the future, the Republican Party, Hispanics will be turned off in the general, potentially.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: You hate Hispanic (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, not at all.

KELLY: You like Trump?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, I like Trump a lot.

KELLY: What do you like about him? Even though you are Hispanic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have some very hard times coming up in this world, when I want my president to stand up to China, to stand Russia, to stand up to Middle East. That's going to be the guy that I will trust and be able to push them off to protect America. And look, what's already happening with the soft president. We have Iran with nukes.

KELLY: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He has more plans and the majority can (inaudible), if you actually go and (inaudible) look at it.

KELLY: All right, we got to leave that.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: We have more Trump -- you fear not. More Trump coming up after the break, but we're going to do a little fact check on a few of the candidates last night who maybe played a little fast and loose with the moderators. But here's Fox News to do a little fact check, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KELLY: Well, we talked earlier about how some of the moderators at last night's debate were unable to get their facts straight when they were trying to press the candidates on their position. But some of the claims we were hearing from the candidates are also being questioned today. Trace Gallagher here with the fact check. Trace?

TRACE GALLAGHER, LOS ANGELES: Megyn, Senator Marco Rubio had two comments called in a question. First, he was asked about the criticism he face from missing so many votes in the Senate. Rubio responded that while the media focuses on Republicans, other senators running for president have also missed votes. And he's right. So far, Rubio has missed 34 percent of his Senate votes, but at the same point in their runs for the White House, Barack Obama had missed 32 percent. John McCain, 52 percent. Jon Kerry had missed 61 percent. Rubio was also asked about his personal financial problems. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REBECCA QUICK, CNBC FINANCIAL NEWS SHOW CO-HOST: You accidentally inter-mingled campaign money with your personal money. You faced foreclosure on the second home that you bought and just last year you liquidated $68,000 retirement fund. That's something that causes you thousands of dollars and taxes and penalties.

MARCO RUBIO, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, you just said -- you just listed a litany of describing an attack from democrats and my political opponents and I'm not going to waste 60 seconds detailing them all. But I'm gonna tell you the truth.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GALLAGHER: Oh, but those were not discredited attacks because they're all true. And Marco Rubio has previously acknowledged that they are true. Then there was Donald Trump being asked about immigration and attacking Marco Rubio for supporting more visas for high-skilled workers. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

QUICK: I think you called him Mark Zuckerberg's personal senator because he was in favor of the H1V

TRUMP: I never said that. I never said that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GALLAGHER: Except it is right there on the Trump campaign website, quote, "Mark Zuckerberg's personal Senator Marco Rubio has bill to triple H1V's that would decimate women and minorities. Dr. Ben Carson's flat tax plan was also questioned. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BEN CARSON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The rate is going to be much closer to 15 percent.

QUICK: A 15 percent still leaves you with 1 percent.

CARSON: Let me finish. You also have to get rid of all of the deductions and all the loopholes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GALLAGHER: But the independent tax policy center says false that even if you got rid of all deductions and loopholes you needed, at least a 20 percent flat tax. And Forbes magazine, with the conservative editor-in- chief says 17 percent is the correct flat tax number. Megyn.

KELLY: Trace, thank you. Good job. So does any of this matter to the voters? Does any that matter? Do you care? Does honesty matter? Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think so. But I have to say, if I may, I took the chance to step in the arena and run for Congress in New Jersey last year. I would, if I got to the precipice to have the opportunity, I would have liquidated my retirement fund as well. And with all because.

KELLY: But you don't think Marco Rubio's financial.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that's an unfair assessment.

KELLY: Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah. I think it's a big deal, you know, this issue of missing 34 percent of votes. We elect these people to represent us and do a job. I don't care if you're running for president. I elected you to do something, now go do the job I elected you to do.

KELLY: What about Ben Carson? We haven't talk about Ben Carson tonight. Go ahead, in the front. I haven't hears from you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, one thing you think about Ben Carson, it's not a matter of his honesty when talking about his economic plan. I think it's a matter of accuracy and actually understanding what he is saying. To me, it's something like he was just regurgitating something that an advisor told him. It didn't seem like.

KELLY: But others still confident in you, but how many here support Carson. You like him? OK, why?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, you know why? He speaks for the faith-based people. And I love how he defended his -- he didn't defend, but he really put that moderator of his place when he was -- when they are trying to box him in being a homophobe. This is the picture that let continuously once to paint and Ben Carson, set the record straight by telling them, you know what, I can be a faith-based person and not be a homophobe.

KELLY: What did you make of Trump there? Because she -- I mean, obviously, he did not tell the right story on the debate stage, it should be charitable to him and the moderator blew it because she didn't have a facts there. Does it make -- does it give you any positive like -- seriously, you love Trump. Why is that -- not give you any cause?

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, that doesn't bother me at all because everybody was being attack and I feel like Trump thought that she was saying, he was attacking Zuckerberg instead of Rubio in.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: But he defended to (inaudible) last night.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: He attacked them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Probably because he didn't write what was on his website.

KELLY: So how do know what to believe? What is true do you think?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's on the website.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: What is true? The website or what he said at the debate?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I agree -- I believe he probably didn't say that himself. It was not an attack where he came out (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's his website.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But it is on his website.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In his website.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's not a big deal.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is what he tweet last week.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's not a big deal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I will compare this to Rick Perry not knowing which division he wanted cut-off. It's the fact that Donald Trump is.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is true, that's a fact.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think so.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean that is true. The part they gave they bill Marco Rubio. And we're allowed people to have the issues with what he put on his website.

KELLY: On his web -- but on his website -- on Trump's website he was attacking the visas. And last night he.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I will think (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's saying he's defended legal immigration.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: He was attacking the visas. Do you think these great kids will go to Harvard with this visas, I want them to stay in the United States.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Megyn.

KELLY: But that's not what the website says that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But I know. But those were the websites. I think in the emotion, yesterday, obviously I'm not making excuses.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: It would be emotional.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: That happens. It is a pressure bill...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How much they know to China?

KELLY: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's OK to just admit that Trump mad an error on the stage last night. That's he's a human being and this happens. He did also say something about guns that were fantastic.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: That's right. They all do it. That's right. If we had more time, we would go through everybody. I got to go. When the debate was all done, Carly Fiorina took some attacks today that crossed the line. That's next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was Carly who said it was really.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Three pages.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Three pages.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She ticked off -- I don't know what's happening today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She ticked off her thing saying you know, people tell me that I didn't smile enough during the last debate. She looked demented. I mean (inaudible). Her mouth did not downturn one time. She was like.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Halloween mask, I love that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Smiling Fiorina, can you imagine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Demented is strong word, but it looked like she has been practicing that for a long time.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She means demented.

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think have to stand up for the words we use.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: So here's a question. What if a network panel spoke that way about Hillary Clinton after the democratic debate?

CROWD: Oh.

KELLY: Panel? Want to take that?

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Double standard continues. Here we are with the media, and especially those checks. I mean, who pays attention to them? They have four, five viewers and they never had anybody important on, anybody with some real thoughts, so -- yeah. They're gonna sit around and make fun.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was a long time ago, but yeah. Sometimes they do.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: Go ahead, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's interesting, Donald Trump made the same comments about Carly Fiorina, and they were up in arms on The View. And then a couple of months later, they make the exact same comments.

KELLY: That's an interesting point.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Talk about the Halloween mask.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We've grown a thick skin. Get over it, and we can -- and that is the survival of the fittest. I'm sorry. I'm not going to sit back and whine about The View attacking me. I'm used to it.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's what I'm gonna get. So that is where things of last night, the candidate.

KELLY: Go ahead (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The campaign is boiled down to, throughout this month. Shock and awe, it's the shock effect. That's how Donald Trump has gained popularity. It's the shock effect. Now everyone else, even The View is jumping on that bandwagon, trying to be a rock star, trying to have the shock effect so that they.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I agree and that's why I don't think he's the candidate of substance. And that's why we got to get someone who actually knows policy.

KELLY: And that will have to do it for a great panel, nicely done. Thank you all so much for your thoughts. Yes, give yourselves a hand. We appreciate it.

(APPLAUSE)

KELLY: We will be right back. One final word when we do.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KELLY: Final question. Raise your hand if you believe -- with your head, not with your heart, that Hillary Clinton will be the next president of the United States. And you -- the rest of you think it's going to be a Republican. Or don't want to say. Thank you all so much. Good night everybody.

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